WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.120 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go! 00:00:26.180 --> 00:00:27.880 You must listen. 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:30.060 You must listen. 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:32.460 You must listen. 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:38.640 Now, here is the podcast. 00:00:39.080 --> 00:00:40.440 Let's podcast go. 00:00:41.540 --> 00:00:44.520 Hello, and welcome back to another Coronavirus War Journal. 00:00:45.140 --> 00:00:48.500 In this installment, we continue interviews with some of our favorite artists. 00:00:49.340 --> 00:00:54.400 This time around, we talk with The Necrosexual from Necrosexual and Basilisk, 00:00:54.860 --> 00:01:22.940 Tom from Allfather and Wretched Empires. And all four members of Chemus. Enjoy. Hello and welcome to the Mudhides Podcast. My name is George. This is Jay. This is Will. This is John. This is Markisan. And today we are joined by the necrosexual. How you doing, sir? Wow! Hello sluts. How the hell are you, perverts? He knows us. Feeling pretty pervy. 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:29.340 I see we cut you in your unholy slumber there sorry about that 00:01:35.240 --> 00:01:42.540 we're doing all right we are all COVID-19 free as far as we know hell yeah although we do have one person 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:54.000 associated how's a John Burkholder Travis did he actually no he seems to be doing fine I you know I will reach out to him but he's been active and texting me and stuff and he hasn't mentioned the oldest one so 00:01:55.340 --> 00:02:23.780 Yeah, so this is the third installment of our, I guess, episode two of the COVID-19 war journals, as we're calling it. So today we wanted to bring on the necrosexual, based out of Philadelphia, right? Indeed, necrophilia-delphia. May I ask what part, so Philadelphia is my hometown, what part of Philadelphia city, 00:02:24.060 --> 00:02:30.580 suburbs do you call home yeah i reside in south philadelphia which is probably the filthiest part of 00:02:30.740 --> 00:02:53.980 philadelphia i'm sandwiched right between the two cultural institutions of my block by the king of wings and sit and spin records which is actually a pretty cool uh you know metal record store so how does that compare to vinyl altar uh it's smaller it's a bit more intimate but it's uh it's a good spot and vinyl altar is great too they're good people yeah yeah we whenever we go to the decibel metal and beer fest we always hit 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:23.960 up on an altar and spend our allowance. Yeah, we find not only records, but cool things like books and toys. I like that. Magic gathering, Warhammer. Going on in the background, yeah. There's good restaurants down there, too. Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was dying for one of those cheesesteaks the other day. We gotta stop talking about this. I know. Or any food that is not, like, made within these walls. I got my kids in the cheesesteaks. I actually mapped 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:29.440 out all the different cheesesteak places and i was planning to go to one every single day i was there 00:03:30.500 --> 00:03:35.520 brutal we were we were coming out for the fest if that's not clear do you do you attend the 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:41.700 decibel medal and beer fest when they come i was hoping to go to this one this year and sure enough the 00:03:42.040 --> 00:03:47.200 hands and feet tell me a different card have you been before necrosexual believe it or not i have not 00:03:47.740 --> 00:03:52.519 oh what the fuck is wrong with you man it's the greatest goddamn party ever he was trying to write his 00:03:52.560 --> 00:04:20.660 He was on target and then the world came to an end. What are you going to do? Well, I was excited to see and hear Napalm Death playing Harmony Corruption and Utopia Bandage. So that for me was what sold me on the festival this year. And that'll have to come. Wait till another day. But as you know, good things come to those who wait. Yeah, we just talked about it. But there's an article saying that concerts and tours and stuff probably won't pick up till fall of 2021. 00:04:22.580 --> 00:04:52.400 It was Bill Gates essentially said the same thing that he thinks a lot of things aren't going to start up again until fall of next year. I think a lot of large scale things, which is a shame for me because as a nationally touring artist, it was really something that I was looking forward to. But no, I'm being facetious, but I'm hoping whenever it is safe to go out, at least on a local level for smaller gatherings. So I'm hoping that smaller, you know, local house shows and speakeasy styles, 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.080 stuff or bar shows will at least resume and then 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.220 onward and upward from there they'll come first they will come first of that you can be sure so i 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:05.340 don't think we're looking at fall of next year for that we're talking about baseball games and the 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:11.020 big stupid ass fucking arena tour with def lepper so the necrosexual stadium tour 00:05:11.530 --> 00:05:18.579 yeah darn yeah i missed it you'll just have to wait until next year to see the necrosexual stadium tour 00:05:19.140 --> 00:05:48.480 I still have my Rammstein tickets. So I'm hoping they'll be on tour. I think it's for August. In America? Yeah. I don't know that. Were they playing a bunch of places or just a few? They are playing a bunch of places. Fuck, I didn't know. I think they were supposed to come to Silver Spring, Fillmore area. I think it's all stadiums. It can't be the Fillmore, yeah. Yeah, I have mine for they're playing the Eagle Stadium in August. Really? 00:05:48.600 --> 00:06:18.540 That big? They're blowing shit up this time, dude. This tour is like massive fire and equipment and shit. Have you guys seen the video? It's like a four-minute video where they set the stage up on a field. Yeah, it's like a void on steroids in minutes. Yeah, well, the... I'm assuming it's time-lapsed. Yeah. Okay. He's getting up. They set it up in four minutes. Yeah. That stage is so big, they could put several silver springs on it. It's... Oh, wow. It is massive. 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:48.340 It's massive. And everything blows up. I'm pretty sure you could lose a guy. You know, like you could look and be like, where's the guitar player at right now? I'm almost sure. It's huge. Yeah. I saw Rammstein got way, way back in the day in Philadelphia. I think he said they opened for somebody, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, they opened for somebody. I mean, before that. Yeah. They're not my favorite, but it is certainly an entertaining fucking show to see. Oh, there's so much fire. Yeah. Yeah. Spectacle. Yeah. And it's super homoerotic, too. 00:06:57.580 --> 00:06:58.980 So, 00:07:11.020 --> 00:07:40.140 I just released my own necrosexercise video. I did see that. So if you guys drink too much beer or Slayer mug drinks or let yourself go with a takeout, I got you covered. I have a new home workout you can do in the comfort and desolation of your own home using nothing but your body weight, maybe some boxed wine if you need something light or a guitar practice amp. You can really feel the burn and get shredded like your favorite man or album cover. Nice. 00:07:41.020 --> 00:08:08.960 Wow. Can you give us an idea of one of the exercises? Yeah. I mean, you can do Russian twists with a box of Franzia to activate those oblique muscles of your core. I personally enjoy doing weighted thrusters, which is when you go to the bottom of a squat and stand up and press overhead with an orange practice amp that I have so I can play guitar and then get a little pump on. So there's all sorts of stuff you can do to keep those heavy metal muscles bulging. 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.200 You can see my little orange practice in the background. 00:08:14.090 --> 00:08:15.460 I think it's my daughter's. 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:16.140 Yeah. 00:08:16.780 --> 00:08:20.160 What metal would you recommend to crush weights to necrosexual? 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:21.720 Judas Priest. 00:08:23.940 --> 00:08:24.780 Easily Judas Priest. 00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:25.840 What's that? 00:08:26.420 --> 00:08:26.700 Marcus. 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:27.220 Hmm. 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:29.320 That's a lot. 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:32.419 We recommend fight school. 00:08:33.099 --> 00:08:33.640 Fight Georgia. 00:08:35.810 --> 00:08:37.419 You know, there's a great recommendation. 00:08:37.419 --> 00:09:07.180 Great music to pump iron to or to work out to. And some of that informed my list that we'll be talking about tonight for quarantine playlists. So. George likes to work out to the song Jawbreaker particularly. Yeah. I was just listening to that Sin After Sin with the bonus track of Jawbreaker Live the other day. So you're on point. So how's the rest of the bandmates? It was pretty good. Yeah. You know, we got everyone is working except me. 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:37.060 So they're staying productive and providing for their families. And here I am in my lair with black lights and atmospheric mood lighting. So I'm doing my part to stay metal. And it's definitely not a phase I'm going through. My family understands that by now. And just to make sure this part of this series is a wellness check. And just to really do the wellness check here on you, you are indeed wearing corks paint. Is that correct? Yeah. I just want to make sure. Otherwise you don't look so good. 00:09:37.120 --> 00:10:05.100 If it's makeup, you look great. They do say one of the first signs of COVID-19 is the redding of the eyes. Yeah. Some of the nursing home staff out in Washington State said that one of the first things they noticed is how red their eyes got. Wow. And you clearly have your taste. So yeah, there's a lot of good jokes about that. 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:36.960 I saw was a meme that said one of the first signs of COVID is losing your taste and then the next picture was something was a circumspect look on their face and it said and that picture was meant to be what's that fucking Canadian band everybody hates Nickelback. Nickelback fans yeah so it's like Nickelback fans you're in trouble you know what I mean. So tell us a little bit about Necrosexual this is the first time you've been on the podcast so just for the uninitiated. 00:10:37.120 --> 00:11:05.440 Thank you for having the Grim 100 podcast. When you told me about the Whore Journal, I was all about it. I think it's war, war. Or maybe it's whore, yeah. Necrosexual, baby. I'm the most electrified man in Corpse Entertainment. I've been raising hell in the Philadelphia, New York, and all over the internet. DC. Eleven. Interviewed a few rock stars, a few living legends, interviewer, interviewer of the stars, heavy metal Joan Rivers, as I like to say. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:35.200 I released my album the glory hole overture and F sharp in March 2019 and my 2018 debut album Grimoire. They're both in my band camp so you can listen to it basically I am advancing my quest for necro world domination on all fronts whether it's musically artistically through exercise videos my blog and we're going strong whether we're in quarantine or not baby. Yeah I like I like you more with every word you're saying man. 00:11:36.520 --> 00:11:37.680 I love this guy. 00:11:40.740 --> 00:11:44.020 So what I was going to say earlier is when we were talking about how 00:11:46.380 --> 00:11:48.620 the smaller shows are what's going to come back. 00:11:48.780 --> 00:11:50.600 And I've always complained about our 150, 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:51.500 130, 00:11:51.800 --> 00:11:55.460 150 person limit at Atlas brew works when we have shows there, 00:11:55.540 --> 00:12:00.000 but now I'm sort of thank God or hell Satan that we have a smaller venue. 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:03.600 Cause now we can probably be one of the first ones to reopen and start shows. 00:12:03.900 --> 00:12:03.980 So, 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:05.860 and a necrosexual did play. 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:35.780 Yes. Six months ago or so? November 22nd, I believe. Wow. Yeah. And you're in another band that also played Atlas. Yes. Wait, wait, wait. I'm still on a necrosexual here. Yeah. How did that come about? Did you start off as sexual and then move into necrosexual? What is the origin of the band? The origin, I always say, was born, the seed was planted the first time I heard Slayer and Tom Mariah's scream. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:13:03.640 Even Angel of Death just gave me a throbbing 14-year-old heavy metal hard-on. And from there, it was the transformation had taken place deep in my mind. And it put me down the path of being a total metalhead, pretty big in a thrash metal and black metal and pretty much anything in the 80s and 90s. I'm a big fan of the classics. So it came from, and it still comes from a very honest place within. 00:13:05.980 --> 00:13:35.940 Being Failed, Mostly Unsuccessful Comedian, I took a stab at it in Corpse Paint, and I hit the stage and started racing hell and getting really positive responses, and also interviewing people in metal bands as a necrosexual. So that helped, gave me some internet fame and a whole army of haters and some notoriety. What's the ratio between fans and haters? I'd say five haters to one fan. So you're doing pretty good then, because that's the measurement of it. 00:13:38.720 --> 00:14:05.920 I would rather be drastically divisive than supremely mediocre or moderately satisfactory. I'd rather be somebody that's zero-sum, either get it or you don't. That's very much my attitude and very much the response that people get or that they give me. And I think that a lot of bands I enjoy and dig, like the Slayers or the Venoms, King Diamond, Mayhem. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:35.960 I am, Ben Halen, David Lee Roth. They're also bands that people are like, oh, these guys are great. Or like, fuck these guys. So I'm continuing that tradition. You got a little David Lee Roth in you, man. I love him. He's a great front man. He's like a, and he'S a performer. He'S a vaudeville guy to me. He'S a, he also wears spandex. But some people don't get him. You know what I mean? And I can see you pulling a little bit of him into you, into what you're doing. I'm not joking. Like, especially in watching your video, which also has at least a taste of darkness 00:14:37.220 --> 00:15:05.680 David Lee Roth has a great self-deprecating sense of humor. He's very in on his own joke and never really shies away from that. And that's, that's really the, like you said, the vaudeville, the cabaret influence of him, which made those Van Halen collaborations with him. Great. You know, he was the cherry on top of that band. And you can see what happened when he left the band and Sammy Hagar had to take over the helm. And I actually saw David Lee Roth. It seems like an eternity ago, but it was only in January of this year at his Las Vegas residency. 00:15:07.779 --> 00:15:35.940 I saw him looking for a kiss on the farewell tour. I saw him as last show. I saw before the lockdown. How was that? He was fucking great. Yeah, he was dressed great. He sounded great. I mean, he basically was backed by a former Van Halen tribute band. So it's like David Lee Roth with the wedding band backing him. And they did all the heavy lifting for the choruses. And then that kind of gives him the open. He'll do the verses of all the songs. And then for the choruses, he would just do wow and jump around and do it. 00:15:35.980 --> 00:16:05.780 Which by the way was the same way it was in Van Halen. My very first concert was David Lee Roth. Wow. Is that right? What year was that, George? Eat Em and Smile, 87? Wow. There's some good videos for that record, too. Yes, indeed. Yeah, the, um, what's the one where it goes in the convenience store? Give me a bottle of anything and a glazed donut to go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good request. I love the, uh, I always think of this when we get in, like, 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.280 packed elevators and i always want to say something our lips are so close 00:16:13.260 --> 00:16:17.000 but i forget what song that was that yankee rose that's the same one that goes in the 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:22.800 convenience store yeah it's the same scene where he goes in the convenience store and he's like 00:16:22.900 --> 00:16:29.080 really close to the guy and he's like our lips are so close yeah that was the one song he didn't play 00:16:29.260 --> 00:16:33.699 live that i really wanted to hear was yankee rose but oh well he did that when i saw him i'm probably 00:16:33.700 --> 00:17:03.660 I used to say. Yeah. Yes. Well, I'm jealous. You should do a cover of it. Serious when Kiss cancels their tour. That's right. They had a, well, I had some and I was telling the guys, um, it was, uh, um, I never saw more people washing their hands at a concert. So it was right towards the end there. And then second, by the way, have you guys seen the Kiss, um, t-shirt that they put out to help the sort of, you know, the road crews are stranded without any income, which by the way, they could just keep fucking. 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:32.880 I'm paying them. Basically, it's a Kiss Tour shirt on the back. It has Nashville, New York, blah, blah, blah. And after every day, it says stay home. It's actually kind of fucking cool. Yeah. And they're donating all the money to various infrastructure, music industry people who are stuck without a job right now. That's cool. So I can expect a check from Gene Simmons soon? Yeah. Great from Gene Simmons money bag. At least you got David Lee Roth as an opener. We got a guy that paints. No. Oh, yeah. 00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:39.300 Yeah, the opener for Kiss 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.220 when they came to DC was 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.120 I mean, he was very interesting 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:47.400 and fun to watch 00:17:48.520 --> 00:17:51.220 but not exactly the same as watching a band 00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:53.640 Yeah, for the amount of money we paid 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:55.360 it would have been nice to actually have 00:17:55.600 --> 00:17:56.800 a David Lee Roth open up 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.780 Three Portraits, was it? 00:18:01.820 --> 00:18:03.680 Yeah, the last one was the band 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:32.960 Yeah. And one was Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. And one was Ozzy, wasn't it? Yeah. And Ozzy. Yeah. It would have been a lot funnier if he was just midway through some like boring family portrait. It just came out and sadly and slowly did that for three hours and it didn't finish it or anything. Just like, okay, good night. Well, he did it like really fast. You know, each one was only like, and like the Springsteen one, he did upside down. So you didn't know what it was until he flipped it over. Yeah. Gotcha. And so it was cool. 00:18:33.700 --> 00:19:03.480 I actually want to see this now George. I'm sure it's on YouTube somewhere. Oh yeah I'm sure. It would have been fine over by the concession stand not on the main stage. Exactly. So Necro tell us about your other heavy metal endeavors. Yes so I've joined forces with the death metal band Basilisk and it's been a great correlation. Yes it's a fine shirt you have there. 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:32.580 - Where am I baseless shirt now? - With one of the most unreadable logos in the industry right now, Basilis. - What you're saying something. - Yes, I described Basilis, their death metal, their black metal, their thrash metal. So it's like a triple threat match of riffs. And boy, there are a lot of riffs and crazy drum parts. And it worked out well because they needed a bass player at the time. I needed a drummer for the necrosexual band. So I joined them and basically kidnapped Mike Turi, their drummer, 00:19:33.740 --> 00:20:03.480 with me behind the kit. And since then, Basilis, they have an album out called Emergence. It came out February 2019. We were going to tour together and half-tour together. Our tour to Massachusetts was canceled in March due to the COVID-19 outbreak. So aside from that, we're just laying low right now, but Basilis definitely has a new three-song EP that's in the works that we've been kind of furiously pounding away on for the last couple of years. 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:12.320 So I'm optimistic that when it's safe to leave our house again, we're going to get back together and come out swinging with another Furious new record. 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.320 Yeah, so I booked you guys at the Adroit Theory anniversary show. Was that your last live show? 00:20:18.100 --> 00:20:21.200 That was our second to last live show. 00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:23.400 Okay, so you got one more in before this all shut down? 00:20:23.600 --> 00:20:32.640 We actually played another beer place at J.B. Love Drafts in Harrisburg. It's a cool spot. It's in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. 00:20:33.400 --> 00:21:03.360 It's a metalhead bar. And it was our first time ever playing. Harrisburg was at this place. We didn't know what to expect. And it was totally popping, good energy, good crew. And that was early February. So that was our last show together. We had, in the span of about two weeks, we had a ton of shows lined up in April, in March and June with bands from out of town, from Canada, Phobophila from North Dakota, Replicant, Scumstrike from Montreal, and everything. Everything just got wiped out. 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:32.900 I cleaned it about a week and a half. Yeah. You know, it is what it is, but I'm just taking this opportunity to stay in my lair, keep the mood lighting on. I have all my guitars behind me, as you can see. So the creative juices and some other juices are still flowing. Well, the, uh, the adroit theory show was very good. So yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. Thanks for playing that, man. That was a super fun time. Was this some sort of anniversary type deal or what was it? What was it? Well, sixth anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 00:21:33.380 --> 00:22:03.240 Maybe you said that one yesterday. And then, and then, um, we talked about this a little bit, I think yesterday, but we, I was supposed to book their 6.66 anniversary this August, but I'm not sure that's going to happen. Yeah. I will. It's not going to happen. Yeah, I know. Um, so, Hey, I was gonna, I wanted to ask you, Necro that, um, have you seen the new, I don't know if it's Disney Pixar. There's a new movie called, 00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:04.060 Onward. 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.540 No, I hear that it's like a typical Pixar movie. 00:22:09.590 --> 00:22:11.040 You probably cry profusely. 00:22:11.560 --> 00:22:12.460 No, actually, it's got nothing. 00:22:12.700 --> 00:22:15.220 It doesn't get great reviews, but it's the subject matter. 00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:15.980 I think Will's going to. 00:22:16.120 --> 00:22:20.020 Yeah, so there's the older brother. 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.020 They're like trolls or fairies or elves. 00:22:23.070 --> 00:22:23.800 I don't know what they are. 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:25.060 Is it Ozzy Osbourne in that movie? 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:25.960 That's the other one. 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:26.540 Those are very different things. 00:22:26.800 --> 00:22:28.880 That's Trolls World Tour, which I saw last night. 00:22:29.090 --> 00:22:29.180 Yes. 00:22:29.380 --> 00:22:57.840 So in this movie Onward, the older brother is sort of like a metalhead. He's got the jacket with all the patches on it. And so the patches are all in heavy metal. He's got his van that is kind of like a heavy metal van. But one of the interesting things, inside the van, there's all these stickers. And one of the stickers says, Basilisk. I'm not shitting you. I saw it the other day. It's spelled differently. It doesn't have the Y at the end. It has the I. 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:29.160 Anyway, it may be worth checking out or I don't know. So I had to Google it. I'm like, okay, because I didn't even know what Basilisk meant. And then, you know, you go back to the Greek mythology. Yeah. For now, with kids these days, like, oh, like, like in Harry Potter, because I guess there's a dragon in Harry Potter called the Basilisk. And I'm like, no, but yes. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, just it made me think of you guys. Yeah. It's just funny because I had to pause. I'm like, wait, wait, did I just see that? 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:58.740 Is that correct? Yeah, they're good dudes. They're super talented. Josh from Basilisk, he's kind of like the brains in a lot of the way. A lot of the songs on the Emergence album were his arrangements that he had written for a while. But he's a good dude. He designed some necrosexual artwork on the Corey Hall Overture EP, as well as sometimes he fills in on guitar when we have shows. So we all help each other out and they're good dudes. So I definitely miss them. I'm looking forward to seeing them again. 00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:27.440 Yeah, there's a lot of cross-server between you guys and Blood Spore as well, right? Yeah, and then Luke from Basilisk plays in Blood Spore, which is another great band, a pretty disgusting, nasty death doom metal. So Basilisk is kind of very fast, Blood Spore is kind of on the other spectrum. And then also, I saw them, I met Josh and Mike from Basilisk. They played in a band together called Deform. And I saw them at their very last show in 2000, I want to say 2015. 00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:58.260 And shortly after that, the guitarist from Deform passed away, but I stayed in touch with Josh and Mike. And then that Deform album, it's a three-song, or they have a three-song tape, but they just finally had like a posthumous release with a Mortuist on Carbonized Records. So it's cool that that song finally saw the light of day. And Deform was a cool band because they were definitely playing that kind of old-school or old-school-influenced death metal style before it became kind of cool to do it again. 00:24:58.520 --> 00:25:28.420 So they were definitely ahead of the time. Yeah, that is kind of the well last year, especially that was suddenly that was it, man. I mean, it's back full force. So yeah, cool. You know, it's interesting because I've always like, so what is like to me, old school death metal is the band death. Yes. You know, but I think as I'm realizing that when you listen to the what they call old school death metal, you know, rebooted, it's more incantation, it's more immolation. 00:25:28.520 --> 00:25:58.340 It's more of that style than actual death and obituary. Yeah, I hear that influence a lot. I hear a lot of bands that sound like either bull thrower or obituary for some of the chuggy or caveman riffs. I feel like the only bands that should call themselves, this is just me being a stickler for, I guess, linguistics or same syntax. I feel like the bands who have a right to call themselves old school don't because they were the pioneers. They were death metal. 00:25:58.520 --> 00:26:28.000 And I don't know what you want to call it. I get, you know, I get it. It's got a publicists and promoters and, you know, bands that phrase old school death metal ticks, but it's just, it's also just funny because it's 2020. You're not, you're not old school. You probably weren't alive or. That is true. It's the new bands that get that new wave of old influence death metal. But yeah, exactly. Yeah. So is everybody in Basilisk? Okay. Yeah. 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:58.320 Yeah, they're doing good. They all is well. They all have essential jobs. So it seems like they've been staying busy. And, you know, we're just kind of playing the waiting game at this point. But like I said, what are the numbers like in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania? Philadelphia and South Philadelphia, it's pretty high. Pennsylvania. I mean, New York. Yeah. So they're thinking of you. I know you were mentioned as a hotspot in a few articles that I read. But then I think Detroit took off. 00:26:58.520 --> 00:27:02.580 a great gangbuster so you guys kind of got lost in the shadows but yeah i mean not that but 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.180 you're obviously still having a good thing people in philadelphia yeah yeah that's not a race you want to win 00:27:07.310 --> 00:27:12.020 actually they're just a lot of stubborn people like i don't know why do i gotta why why can't i go out 00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:17.380 you know like walking around without their face mask on or just like not really it's just sort of a 00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:23.920 it's a stubborn city i guess in some ways but yeah you know in the meantime if it's going to be socially 00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:27.979 acceptable to be a complete shut-in and not leave my house i'm gonna i'm gonna do it damn it so i'm 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.640 I mean, 00:27:30.760 --> 00:27:32.320 that's a part of all of us that's enjoying it. 00:27:32.340 --> 00:27:33.180 Is that true? 00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:33.840 I mean, 00:27:34.100 --> 00:27:37.600 seriously for all of the picturing going back to work, 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:38.740 it's not that easy for me right now. 00:27:39.800 --> 00:27:40.000 I mean, 00:27:40.060 --> 00:27:42.280 it's exactly the same for me to be honest. 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:43.000 Yeah. 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:43.260 Yeah. 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:43.960 Nothing's changed. 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:44.160 Yeah. 00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:45.020 Mark, 00:27:45.020 --> 00:27:47.340 I saw it's interesting because you and I always work from home. 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:47.920 Yeah. 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:49.960 I didn't know you always worked from every day. 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:50.280 Yeah. 00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:51.940 And so now I'm getting to the point where I'm like, 00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:52.140 man, 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:53.420 I got to get out of here at some point. 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:53.820 Yeah. 00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:23.940 Well, I mean, the only real change for me is my wife's working from home now, too, which is really nice, actually, because we get to have lunch and just see each other more. And she worked long hours. I mean, she still does, but she would be away. So that's kind of fun. But yeah, I do kind of miss being well just to go out, you know, and have a beer or something like that. I never really thought of it because I just thought of myself as a shut in, you know, just I liked being at home. But I would go out a couple times a week and enjoy that and talk to people. 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.280 people in the neighborhood and get to know some of the places here in Hawaii. 00:28:27.820 --> 00:28:28.760 So I do miss that part. 00:28:29.420 --> 00:28:37.180 One of my friends on Facebook posted something to the tune of, well, so it turns out my three favorite hobbies are touching my face, shopping at non-essential stores. 00:28:37.270 --> 00:28:42.320 And I can't remember what the other one was, but it's just like, it wouldn't be a misanthrope and still sort of be like, oh shit. 00:28:43.220 --> 00:28:44.420 Yeah, freaking Ikea's closed. 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:45.140 It's so hard. 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:46.960 What's that, George? 00:28:47.080 --> 00:28:47.800 Ikea's closed. 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:53.280 You know, I was looking to get like another table like we've got here in the podcast studio. 00:28:54.700 --> 00:29:23.300 to set up some other gear. And it's an IKEA table and it's dirt cheap because it's IKEA. Everything else is like $300 and it's like 50 bucks at IKEA. You get what you pay for when it comes to the anguish of constructing it with the picture. Well, it's a very simple table. You just screw on four legs and you're done. But you can only order for delivery from IKEA right now, which makes sense because IKEA's 00:29:23.320 --> 00:29:25.740 like a jungle of people. 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:27.340 It's also expensive. 00:29:27.510 --> 00:29:28.640 They charge to deliver, don't they? 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:29.220 Exactly. 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:32.000 It's like 50 bucks for the table, 100 bucks to ship it. 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:32.880 I was like, nope. 00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:33.760 Yeah. 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.720 It's a lot. 00:29:35.860 --> 00:29:38.280 I tried to buy mulch from Home Depot and get it delivered. 00:29:38.470 --> 00:29:42.400 And it was like 30 bags of mulch was 60 bucks, but the delivery fee was 80. 00:29:42.580 --> 00:29:43.280 And I was like, what the fuck? 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:44.040 That's crazy. 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:44.560 Yeah. 00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:48.640 I did have to leave my house today because my fucking microwave broke. 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:49.620 And I took the whole thing apart. 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.620 Not like I'm a fucking microwave repairman. 00:29:52.660 --> 00:30:22.020 But I took it apart like maybe I can fix it. I don't know. Let me see. Can't get any worse. Yeah. I'm done having children if this thing goes off my lap, you know. Well, yeah. So I ordered it from my point is, yeah, I ordered it from Best Buy online and then I just did the curbside pickup and all they just like, what's your name? You know, cook. What are you getting? Marker wave. Okay. And they just bring it out and throw it in your car and you go like you need to show them like a receipt or anything. Yeah. So yeah. I just drive up to drive, drive up to any, 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.440 I don't know my wife ordered it. 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:28.360 The biggest TV you got. 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.020 So hey Necro have you been able to do any kind of like 00:30:40.560 --> 00:30:43.540 online sort of collaboration with any of your bandmates? 00:30:44.760 --> 00:30:45.800 Bandmates not yet. 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.159 I just recorded bass parts for the first time 00:30:50.160 --> 00:31:19.000 in the comfort and desolation of this own room for another kind of death metal. An old school sounding death metal project of all things. Now they just got to talk shit about all this band. So I did that and I'm going to keep that up. I've recorded a couple things on my own and my bandmates are kind of busy right now because they're still working a lot. So not at the moment, but I'm definitely looking forward to continuing in whatever way I can. What's the new band? 00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:50.120 Well, I don't want to say just yet because I've literally just sent drum tracks or bass tracks back to another person's scratch tracks. It's still very, very, very early on, but I think it'll be cool. So we'll see. I'll keep you guys posted on that if anything comes to fruition with it. Yeah, absolutely. In terms of Necro's world, it's a shame because I was in the middle of recording a new three-song split of three new Necro seconds. 00:31:50.440 --> 00:32:20.140 and they were almost all done except for vocals and lead guitar parts and a couple things here and there. And then this happened. So we'll see what that timetable looks like. But whenever and hopefully sooner than later when this is over or when it's not over and we're at least able to congregate a little bit, this should be another necrosexual three-song EP or split by the end of the year. Without praying too deeply, and you don't have to share too much, but what kind of essential work are your bandmates doing? Are they 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:48.860 and sort of social service type stuff. Are they working at stores or things like that? Mike, the drummer, he works in like a warehouse type thing. Yeah. So that's shipping and any sort of logistics is still a huge thing. Sure. Luke from Bloodsport and Josh, they actually work at a medical company. So that's pretty fun. Yeah. They're kind of on the front lines with everything. So there's, I think, staying busy with that. 00:32:51.039 --> 00:33:19.880 Yeah. And then my necrosexual guitarist, Shredder Anthony, he also works within the delivery service. So everyone is continuing the neat deliveries and stuff. Yeah. Well, at least they're drawing paychecks too. I mean, because that's the other fucked up thing that's happening right now is a lot of people are, I read this disturbing headline the other day. It said one third of Americans may not be able to pay their rent this month. You know, that's fucked up, man. Yeah. I mean, one third. I know. 00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:48.720 Yeah, it's nuts. Getting unemployment is just a nightmare because you get, first of all, you have to get through. Yeah. And then it has to be approved even if you get through. And then some people are being denied and then you have to reapply or contest it. It's a nightmare. And then they give you dick all. And then they give you dick all. That's right, George. That's true. I know this from my experience. That's right. Well, yeah. Well, good. You know, worst case, worst comes to worst. I'll just have to give out some heavy metal hand jobs in the corner. 00:33:49.340 --> 00:34:18.500 Oh, we've been doing that for years. Yeah. Unfortunately, we've already established that we don't charge for it. So it's kind of hard to ask for money at times like this. I had to shut down my side business in Anacostia and our social distancing. We got a wall between you. We're sort of like the, we're like the Napster of that world. We ruined it for everybody else. Nobody's ever going to pay for this again. Yeah. We, uh, we have a running joke. 00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:48.659 My side job is a glory hole in Anacostia, which is the bad part of town in DC. So when I saw it, when I saw the name of the, the glory hole in F sharp, I was like, Oh yeah, that's appropriate. Yeah. That's in my wheelhouse. Yes. Yeah. Um, so, uh, so did you think about the, the top five albums that if you were going into forced into government quarantine and you had to grab five albums with you real quick for the next two weeks, 00:34:48.800 --> 00:35:18.120 to two to four weeks? Yeah, sort of yes and no. My list, I'll go over it real fast and I'll give you the quick version of these are albums that I've been listening to a lot in my basically mandated government quarantine, so I guess that counts. Yep, absolutely. And some of it's been just listening throughout the day, some of it's been stuff that I've put on while doing my necrosize to keep those metal muscles bulging. So on the top of that list, 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:47.800 Nasty Savage. That is a great album. It is. It makes you want to go fight the world with great hair. All the songs are about killing posers and the fun of falsettos. It's just really flamboyant. What year is it, George? Take a stab at it. What year is it? I'm 84, 85. 86, I want to say. I'm 88. That's actually a band I get compared to a lot, which I'm flattered by. I want to say 85. Yeah. 00:35:48.800 --> 00:36:18.520 It's a super fun album, ton of good riffs, and definitely an underrated gem of thrash metal. On that note, the next one is another album that I've been listening to since I was like 14 or 15 years old and just stays as timeless and brutal as ever. Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses by Brutal Truth. That one is holy fucking shit. I mean, every time I listen to it, there's just another, I'm reminded of another breakdown or another riff that just hits so hard. I'm a huge fan of Dan Loker. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:48.540 of his work in nuclear assault. I just did a bass cover of Hang the Pope for Easter. Nice. I saw that. Yeah. Coopers of death. Pretty much everything that guy touches turns to gold. Do you know his new band right now? Blurring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I need, I still need to give them a proper listen. I missed them last time they played Philadelphia. Like I think I might've been working or had another show. If you, if you have a, an hour or two to kill, we interviewed blurring on this podcast and it was, I have to say, we usually get pretty stupid. 00:36:48.820 --> 00:37:16.780 And when I say we, I'm talking about myself. But that was the most chaotic, crazy, fucking fucked up fun interview. It was a lot of fun ever did. Yeah. Somebody got bitten by a dog. We also had the good fortune to hang out with Dan at two years ago, decibel fest. And we really spent the whole weekend with him pretty much. I mean, so we had a really good time. And I would call us acquaintances of Dan at this point, at the very least. Yeah. I'm actually quasi friends with him. He's come to, he's come to Atlas. 00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:48.780 out and drink beer and him and I have traded some beer and every now and again we'll throw each other a text message here and there say he's super great nice guy yeah meet him still I was by the way 2003 when nuclear assault or maybe 2004 I was in like ninth grade and nuclear assault reformed and they played a show at the stone pony and so my friend and I got his parents to drive us there and we were stoked we arrived at 3 p.m. for some ungodly reason and then we find out that like it was one of those 00:37:48.800 --> 00:38:18.420 It was like pay to play promoters where there's like 12 bands and they're like, oh, nuclear assault's not paying until midnight. And they're like, we're not going to stay on midnight. So I'm just like, just take us home. Like, there's no point being here. We're not going to stay. That sucks, dude. Well, you know, I was going to say something else about, oh, oh, I know what it was. Did you see that they did an updated version of one of the SOD songs for the quarantine? Oh, yeah. Sergeant D in the SOD. Yeah. It was Danny, Scott Ian. Charlie. Charlie. Yeah, they did it. Yeah. I haven't watched it, but I saw it. 00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:48.440 They just recently did it? In quarantine. Last week or two. Really? It's a video. Yeah. I'm a little surprised at that because I didn't think he was really talking to the anthracist. It's one of those social distancing videos, Will, where they're like, oh. They ain't got to share that stuff, Jay. Come on. I think we're all on good terms. I expect you guys. I was going to say, yeah, Billy Milano would be the obvious choice to not have back. They're not going to touch him anymore, though. Yeah, but he's now really looked at as a white power racist piece of shit. Which is why you would not want him back. No, but just 00:38:48.480 --> 00:39:18.380 The whole riff between Danny and Anthrax, and then there's a lot of bad blood there, even between some of the SOD stuff. Yeah. Well, they made up, at least for this. I don't know how. I had to check that out. I don't know if they talk in it or anything, or if they just straight-up play, so you can't see how they're dealing with each other. In any case, I keep derailing your list, which is a fine one. Let's move on to the next one. No, but I did want to say, it was funny you mentioned that album, because I was just thinking about the album yesterday. 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:47.780 because I thought like the name of the album, Extreme Conditions, Demand Extreme Response is like, it's kind of like what we're living right now. Yeah. In a weird sort of way. That and that song Birth of Ignorance, you know, the lyrics are pretty intelligent. Social, you know, social lyrics are not, they're not super preachy, but they're, they're smart lyrics and super nasty bass line. So I'm a huge fan of that album. So next up, you guys actually kind of called me on it already, but Dave Lee Roth, Eat Him and Smile Baby. Nice. 00:39:48.460 --> 00:40:17.740 is, I almost like it better than some of his Van Halen stuff. It's just a super fun album from start to finish. I love his cover of Nats Life that he ends it on. Yankee Rose is a great one. You know, Shy Boy is like kind of like a hot for teacher part two in terms of just the instrumentation and the drum parts. Ladies Night in Buffalo. Yeah, Tobacco Road. Tobacco Road. Tobacco Road is a great night in Buffalo. Just super fun album. Crazy, going crazy. 00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:48.200 I liked Skyscraper. I thought Skyscraper was good. Yeah. Just like, you know, just like Paradise is a super fun song. Yeah. You know, Dickie Lee Roth, I'm just, I'm always drawn to performers who have that charisma about them. Even if it's like shameless, even if it's something you kind of laugh at, it's about entertaining people. So, you know, love them or hate them, you're being entertained. So where do you stand on Ghost? Ghost? I'm not a fan of Ghost. They have a great gimmick. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:41:18.440 I really enjoyed, without even realizing that this was the dude from Ghost, but when I was like 15 years old, I got a CD by a band in Sweden called Repugnant, and that album rules, so, you know, Tobias Forge is a very prolific musician, and he's done a lot of projects prior to Ghost, and, you know, not knocking him for his success, but the music is definitely, and hey, like, I like rock and roll, I like pop music, I like soul music, so it's not just 00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:46.060 because it's not metal, but I'm just underwhelmed by it. It sounds like Scooby-Doo music. It's underwhelming. Yeah. So that's where I stand on Ghost. So with that said, moving on, we're in quarantine. The plague is raging all over the country. You got to pay a doctor. You got to pay a visit to Dr. Feelgood. Interesting. 00:41:48.440 --> 00:42:18.420 Feel Good. Yeah. It's another super fun, rowdy. Is there another one? Everybody kind of like was talking over each other and I heard the Dr. Feelgood part. I didn't hear the Motley Crue part. It's the same name for Will's penis. Yeah. So it's the confusion. Definitely like a just super rowdy party album as all the great Motley Crue albums are. If you want to party and go out there and raise all sorts of 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:48.340 It's not without its crappy occasional love ballads that I usually skip past, but all in all, aside from the soft songs for the chicks, you know, the heavy song, Same Old Situation, of course, Dr. Feelgood, the title trap, super heavy, super thick sounding riffs. She Goes Down, Rattlesnake Shake, now I'm just naming all the songs on the album, but it's a fun album that I really enjoy, and, you know, my mentality when you're in quarantine is you want to have a good time and party, 00:42:48.380 --> 00:43:18.340 and stay, you know, stay positive and stay energized. And that's why I'm now listening to music like Sad Boy, Shoegaze, Emo Metal, or, you know, Post Rock. I don't think I want to nod out and listen to music to get my blood going. Get that pulse race in. And that's why the final list of the five albums I would like to take into quarantine with me, that I have taken into quarantine with me, one that I've rediscovered after many years of not listening to it, but is just as vicious and just as fast and just as crazy. 00:43:18.380 --> 00:43:48.360 as ever. None so vile by Cryptopsy. Nice. Yeah. Just a total trip. Classic. Yeah. Great. Very energizing album. Some of the fastest, most insane drummings I've still ever heard. It kind of reminds me of Demolitch and that it sounds like part of it just sounds like completely like an alien. Like there was like a band from outer space, like kind of like alien music. But then at the same time with the inhuman brutality of it, you have these really 00:43:51.240 --> 00:44:18.340 and also some very neoclassical sounding melodic parts. So it really tempers the line between extreme without sounding like a lot of bands. They just sound too extreme for their own good. It just sounds like a typewriter or bands that play riffs and arpeggio and jerk off their guitars, but they don't really have the soul or the melody or the songwriting that holds it together. And that album has all the, you know, it's the whole pattern. 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:47.760 It's a bit influential, but yeah, it's a great, just super nasty riff album. I think that the breakdown in Graves of the Fathers is like the most, the heaviest breakdown ever. Awesome. Speaking of quarantine albums, by the way, I meant to tell you guys, I was listening to, 00:44:48.380 --> 00:44:50.520 I've been listening to a lot of Slayer for whatever reason. 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:51.340 Yeah, always. 00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:52.460 Because they're Slayer. 00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:01.940 But I mean, I've been doing this thing because I take these long walks and I'll just go through one band's whole catalog over a couple of days, sometimes twice. 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.940 Anyway, I was listening to Rain of Blood the other day and Epidemic came out and I was like, oh yeah, that's right. 00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:11.480 If you listen to it, dude, it's like news reporting that song. 00:45:11.540 --> 00:45:12.700 Yeah, that's New Through Assault too. 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:42.820 You know, the brain death, they would definitely sometimes things just take a prophetic tone. True that. Yeah, well, the big one this year being the cattle decapitation thing, which I don't know if you're into them, but that whole record is... Bring Back the Plague. Bring Back the Plague is the name of the single, and that's, you know... Yeah, they call it. I think that I heard that song, and it sounds like Disturbed with Blast Beats. It sounds like what? Disturbed with Blast Beats. Oh, man. 00:45:42.860 --> 00:46:12.800 And that's a podcast favorite. Jay, before we go on, since we were talking about Slayer, why don't you mention the war ensemble thing? Oh yeah, that was cool, man. Did you notice it? I did. I did. I put my headphones on. I was trying to pay attention to it. Yeah, I noticed it. But go ahead, Jay. So here it is. I've never noticed this. And I'm kind of relieved because I reached out to my buddies here in the podcast. 00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:42.720 We have an ongoing text thread at all times. So I was walking down the street the other day and I was listening to Seasons in the Abyss. Honestly, I usually listen to it too loud. And for some reason, I had it a little bit quieter, so I was catching some subtleties I didn't hear before and Warren Stumble was on. And I noticed for the first time in my whole fucking life, however many years, how many years ago that come out, Will? 1990. 30 years ago. 30 years ago. That if you listen closely on the choruses, 00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:45.840 of war ensemble, you can hear a marching army, marching boots on the beats. 00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:47.720 Would you be that long to realize that? 00:46:48.160 --> 00:46:48.240 Yeah. 00:46:48.560 --> 00:46:49.600 Never heard it before today. 00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:51.980 And you're talking to some big Slayer fans here. 00:46:52.100 --> 00:46:55.160 So the fact that I never fucking picked up on that is beyond me. 00:46:55.420 --> 00:46:59.080 You know, I mean, it's right on the beat and it's subtle, but once you hear it, you can't not hear it. 00:46:59.200 --> 00:46:59.260 Yeah. 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.580 Well, we probably heard it on cassette the first time. 00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:02.460 So you couldn't hear shit. 00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:04.140 That's actually a good excuse. 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:04.860 George, I agree. 00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:06.740 Yeah. 00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:07.200 That's cool. 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.020 And did you hear it, Marcus? 00:47:09.460 --> 00:47:09.600 Yeah. 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:10.040 I did. 00:47:10.120 --> 00:47:11.560 You know, I never noticed it either. 00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:41.500 I think when those albums came out and you were really in heavy rotation, I didn't have the same ear that I do now. We really dissect metal and really think about it and play it over and over and just kind of really get to know every single bit and piece. Did you notice that? That's cool. Oh, yeah. I mean, that album, in fairness, it's a superbly mixed album. So with good mixing, sometimes not hearing it, not noticing it, it's just a sign of how sonically, 00:47:41.640 --> 00:47:42.280 smooth it is. 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:44.320 Yeah. 00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:45.460 I've noticed that. 00:47:45.600 --> 00:47:45.760 I mean, 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.320 I've listened to players since I was 14. 00:47:47.540 --> 00:47:49.160 I'm pretty sure I noticed that right away. 00:47:49.660 --> 00:47:50.540 I'm trying to think of like, 00:47:50.680 --> 00:47:52.100 I think he just called us posers. 00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:54.300 Well, 00:47:54.660 --> 00:47:58.380 I have some other ones that come to mind and I know John will know 00:47:58.500 --> 00:47:58.620 this. 00:47:58.720 --> 00:47:59.740 I think John will know this one. 00:47:59.740 --> 00:48:00.920 And that is on Led Zeppelin three. 00:48:01.300 --> 00:48:02.880 And since I've been loving you, 00:48:03.100 --> 00:48:03.340 there's a, 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.340 you can hear the bass pedal squeaking on John. 00:48:06.140 --> 00:48:06.560 Oh yeah. 00:48:07.080 --> 00:48:07.160 Yeah. 00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:07.740 And also, 00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:08.180 yeah. 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:09.900 Since I, 00:48:10.080 --> 00:48:11.520 since I've been loving you by Led Zeppelin, 00:48:11.560 --> 00:48:41.540 I guess that's the whole album right? Yeah it's off Floods Up In 3. It's Sense of Unloving You. That's the only place where I pick it up. Yeah I've heard that. I've heard that fact before. I've listened to that song and I don't hear it but. There again once you hear it it's undeniable. It's just like it's probably a headphones thing but. It's like the snare on Injustice for All. Once you hear it you can't not hear it. You're worth the snare on Stay in Anger. Yeah. Well since we're on these I will say too I was listening to 00:48:42.619 --> 00:48:45.840 I've been listening to a lot of King Diamond and Merciful Fae too and I heard a 00:48:46.520 --> 00:48:52.780 very low harmonic on a break in Abigail of all things the album Abigail and I honestly can't 00:48:52.780 --> 00:48:56.280 remember which song it is right now I think it's the Black Horseman and I was like how come I never 00:48:56.520 --> 00:49:00.560 fucking heard that before like it's this thing right if there's a little break in the music and there's this high 00:49:02.040 --> 00:49:05.800 it's more pronounced on the live album but I just had no idea that this was there for years yeah 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:34.480 In fairness, so when I'm a huge, obviously a bass player and bass fan, but I didn't realize that this is part me being a poser, part me not being alive when they were playing out of that lineup. But with a lot of those classic Metallica albums, I didn't even realize it was a bass solo in Orion and from the Bell Poles. It took me a while to realize that too. Yeah. And I mean, I had the book. I definitely read it. I just wasn't like, I would see like, Oh, lead bass. I didn't, I didn't put two and two together. 00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:44.220 But, you know, I mean, Cliff Burton, that's also just proof of how amazing his tone was that it could pass, like, thinking it was a guitar for all that time. 00:49:44.680 --> 00:49:51.160 Well, it's interesting. When you play bass, how did you come to play bass? Like, what influenced you? Why did you want to start that up? 00:49:51.280 --> 00:50:04.300 Yeah, you know, it's weird. When I was young, I didn't listen to music when I was, like, nine. I mean, I listened to some music, but I wasn't, like, super into much music. 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:35.140 Like I didn't actively see it out because I was a kid. So thinking about video games and other cartoons and shit. But like even before I was really into like a certain band or a certain style, like I imagined myself playing guitar. I even remember like when I was nine years old, I had like a vision of me playing a kiss makeup. So like sometimes things just, you know, it's like you have that second sight. But when I, my dad got me the black album by Metallica and definitely created some kind of a monster. So, you know, when I, 00:50:35.280 --> 00:51:05.240 It's a good gateway metal album, but then from there I started listening to Slayer and then that really kind of accelerated the evolution. So it had some purpose. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it got me into, so right around that time, my school luckily had a, had a 00:51:06.660 --> 00:51:35.240 I had a good music program and again I wanted to play guitar but they were like well we don't offer guitar and orchestra or band but we have jazz band when you're in sixth grade but you're in fifth grade so why don't you start playing the string bass and then when you're old enough to join you know the jazz band next year you can go you can switch over to guitar so originally I started playing I guess classically trained the string the stand-up bass when I was 10 years old and then eventually 00:51:35.280 --> 00:52:00.780 Soon after that I got into Metallica and Slayer and then that made me want to play electric bass and then it gave me a reason to practice so yeah pretty much the guitar playing has always been there. Necrosexual madness that has given me an avenue to pursue it a little bit more. I kind of wish that I had come out of the gate in 2011 with a musical component but things happen you know timing is everything so it's you know better late than ever. 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.780 But you also play the guitar 00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:05.500 So do you prefer one over the other? 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.560 I'd say bass is my first instrument 00:52:08.660 --> 00:52:09.360 It's my first love 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.320 I think I'm very comfortable with it 00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:12.820 I enjoy playing guitar 00:52:13.540 --> 00:52:14.460 I kind of miss not 00:52:14.640 --> 00:52:15.760 I have a lot of sick guitars 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.980 I don't get to take on stage very often 00:52:18.190 --> 00:52:20.180 So it would be nice to do that at some point 00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:23.320 But I also play guitar on a lot of the 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:24.100 Necrosexual albums 00:52:24.460 --> 00:52:26.820 It'll be Anthony on the one part 00:52:26.980 --> 00:52:28.460 Or it'll be me on both parts 00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:30.860 Okay 00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:59.320 I think I like playing bass better. It's just because it's something I'm comfortable with. I think with a lot of metal bands, bass is an underutilized voice. There's a ton of virtuoso guitar players, but there's a lot less virtuoso bass players. I've always taken that lead bass style that Cliff Burton played to heart. I think that I play bass when I do. I tend to play bass like more of a lead instrument, and then I'll play guitar like more of a rhythm instrument. 00:52:59.780 --> 00:53:28.620 Are you the basis for the recording of Basilisk Emergence? Yes. So one thing I definitely noticed, so by the way, Emergence was on both, I think, George and mine's year-end list last year. So great album. Love it. Yeah, thank you. But I did notice that there's a lot of, like, the basis and the forefront on many of those songs, and there's definitely some parts where it shines. It kind of reminds me, do you know the guys in Horrendous? 00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:29.680 Yeah. 00:53:31.319 --> 00:53:34.080 So they got Alex as their bass player and 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.580 there's a lot of like bass in the forefront of 00:53:38.120 --> 00:53:40.100 of horrendous. That kind of reminded me of that a little bit. 00:53:40.550 --> 00:53:44.680 Yeah. I like it because I think you're right. It's it's completely underutilized. Sometimes it's like 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.720 Yeah. It's criminal. Yeah. They just 00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:52.080 talk about injustice for all. You think the drums sound like shit on injustice for all. Like it's such a 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.840 crime that the bass is buried on that album because it's a really heavy album. 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.320 There's bass on that album? Right. Yeah. 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:28.460 Yeah, you can hardly hear it. It's practically non-existent. To me, that's one of the reasons why I hardly listen to it anymore because the mix is just so punishing and not in a good way. It leaves a lot to be desired. As many times as they've remastered it, they still haven't fixed it, really. You know what? I think it's because they lost the original masters of it. I read an interview with Lars and they were like, oh, is there ever a chance you can make it with better bass? He was like, well, 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:58.340 All we really have to go on is, I guess, the finished product. I don't know how, but they don't have the original Masters. That was that big fire that got rid of a lot of Masters for a lot of albums. Yeah, that too. Nirvana. Yeah. Metallica, yeah. I mean, could somebody just do a playthrough and do something? Bring in Robert Trujillo and replace the bass, like Ozzy did. There's stuff on YouTube where the people have done that. There are versions. 00:54:58.500 --> 00:54:59.120 It's just not 00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:01.700 Yeah, Steve, you know, Steve DiGiorgio too 00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:04.960 He's another bass player in death and autopsy and sadist 00:55:05.070 --> 00:55:06.660 Like super, super 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.440 Just thinking outside the box 00:55:09.660 --> 00:55:10.440 Playing fretless bass 00:55:11.140 --> 00:55:12.080 Not really any metal bands 00:55:12.520 --> 00:55:13.960 That I can think of have done that prior to him 00:55:14.020 --> 00:55:16.720 Especially within the extreme genre 00:55:16.950 --> 00:55:17.080 So 00:55:17.540 --> 00:55:18.740 He's a testament now 00:55:19.160 --> 00:55:20.000 Yeah, yeah 00:55:20.180 --> 00:55:21.460 That's one hell of a dream team 00:55:22.200 --> 00:55:24.380 And yeah, you know, with Basilisk in particular 00:55:24.500 --> 00:55:25.160 I think with Necro too 00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:26.960 It's a very bass heavy mix 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:55.500 But with that Basilisk album in particular, we wanted to... We heard the bass. And a lot of it was Josh's songwriting. He wrote a lot of those songs. So it wasn't me being like, oh, I need to shine in this part. It was just the way he wrote the music, which was cool because it did give me an avenue to play out. The last song on that album is called Karma. That was more of a collaborative song. We all kind of wrote it. And it has a lot of really fun bass parts. 00:55:56.100 --> 00:56:25.900 Is that why it's 14 minutes long? Because everybody had a little... Yeah, it's bookended by some instrumental stuff. So that was more, that was already in Josh's vision. But the song, the proper song itself is like eight minutes or seven minutes. And that was, you know, that was like kind of half and half. The new Bastos material, you know, Josh, again, had a lot of the foundation. But Luke and Mike and myself, we've all had a lot of opportunities to come up with riffs. 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:55.960 So it's a lot more collaborative and it's gonna sound really nasty. And yeah, with the bass, it was funny. We had the emergence CD. We were going the final round. The very last thing we did almost was we went plus four on the low end. So we did give it that extra bass boost. And I think that really made the difference because it's one thing too to hear all the instruments, but sometimes records sound a little bit thin. And I wanted it to have that feeling where you can hear it and you feel it rumble. 00:56:56.100 --> 00:56:58.940 You can feel it rumble, and I think we can achieve that. 00:56:59.780 --> 00:57:25.720 I have a big argument in that argument, but I think a lot of people don't understand that bass needs to come from the bass, and I'm thinking about bands like Deep Purple and bands like that that didn't have any bass in the guitar. It was all in the bass, and they still sound heavy as shit, so I don't get where that went awry. I think it starts with, honestly, with Injustice for All, where James was so occupying the wrong frequency with his guitar. 00:57:25.780 --> 00:57:55.160 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it is what it is. Incidentally, just in passing, you mentioned Testament and I wanted to take a minute to mention, I'm sure you guys noticed, but the guy from death angels out of the woods at this point. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Will Carroll. He was in a coma for fucking 12 days. Yeah. Read his account. If you didn't read it, he tells his account of his after death experience or so he thought he's not sure. He's not a religious dude, but in his mind, he went to hell and then heaven and all this stuff. You should read it. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah. 00:57:55.780 --> 00:58:25.300 Another thing you should have shared, Jack. I apologize. Actually, I'm going to be sharing some more stuff with you guys, too, because by the way, I have a few of these, Hey, I Never Noticed Before, and in one of them, I have to go find it. But there's a Slayer song where you can hear him laughing at the beginning of the song. I'll find it. It's not Christ's Delusion or World Pain of Blood, but long story short, I'll send you guys that, too. I feel like there's a bunch of songs like that with little things that I pick up on, but now, of course, I can't think of any. Yeah, that's why I should shut this shit down. Yes, indeed. It'll be like 4 o'clock tonight. I'll be like, oh, that one. 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:26.440 Yeah. 00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:32.060 You guys got anything else for Mr. Necro? 00:58:33.820 --> 00:58:34.300 Yeah. 00:58:35.420 --> 00:58:38.600 It's super cool. You're fucking joining us. You're a fun guy to talk to. 00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:40.280 I got a question. 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.680 Eventually, we're going to get to Philly and we're going to see the Decival Metal and Beer Festival. 00:58:47.700 --> 00:58:50.420 So I need some advice from you as somebody who lives there. 00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:54.840 What is the most sexual Philly steak sandwich? 00:58:56.300 --> 00:59:23.960 The most sexual, the most orgasmic. Okay. I mean, there's a couple. It's a multi-tiered answer. You know, like the local favorites, like the people, like the locals, locals, like I'm not even a local. I, you know, I live in Philadelphia, but I wasn't born here. So, but the people, the born and bred, you know, lifers, they all love and swear by D'Alessandro's, which is in, I want to say East Falls. 00:59:24.640 --> 00:59:54.480 So it's kind of out of the way. It's not like the typical cheesesteak, but that's very highly revered by the lifers here. My first, you always remember your first, and the one that holds up, and absolutely titled, is Jim's on South Street. I like that they saute the meat nice and fine. So with Pat's and Gino's, you're like, you've got to rip it off. It's kind of rubbery. 00:59:54.640 --> 01:00:24.580 The Gyms, it's nice. Especially Geno's is like that. Yeah, it's very finely diced. And they have good mushrooms too. So Gyms is usually, I'd say for that reason alone, another funny story I'll tell you real quick is, so this bass right here, this Spectre, this beautiful Spectre bass, also played by everyone from Michael Starr, Sting, Rex Brown, Alex Webster. So it's a very, it's a great bassist bass. It got stolen in 2010 when I lived at my old house. 01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:54.040 And, you know, just by chance, I hit up some of the pawn shops at South Street, and it was actually in the pawn shop that at the time was next to Jim Stakes. And I was like, yo, that's my bass. Dude gave it to me, no problem, because he knew it was, like, super shady, selling, selling shit. So he didn't want any problems getting my bass back. So I just remember, like, walking by with that bass past all the people in line at Jim Stakes. And I was like, yeah. And then I got in my car, and Megadeth Live Rust in Peace was in the CD player. 01:00:54.120 --> 01:01:23.800 As I turned on the CD, it was during the solo section of Lucretian. I was like, yeah. Life is good. Can I tell you for about two seconds there, I was like, wow, all those people played that bass. How'd you get that, man? Very great brand of bass. So, reunited. It feels so good. Now, in terms of where I live now, I live very close to Philip Steaks on 24th and Pat Shionk. And they're also excellent. Not only do they have good cheesesteaks, 01:01:23.860 --> 01:01:53.820 They have excellent pork sandwiches. So if you get pork with broccoli, Rob, and you know, provolone is super savory. It tastes almost like you're eating like turkey or dark meat chicken. So that's another, there's another Philly staple, you know, you have the steak, that's the in and you have the roast pork sandwiches. That's the yang. Is that like a pork roll out of Jersey? Oh, no, it's just like straight up, you know, like roast pork. So, you know, I can't dig on it. Cause I fucking hate broccoli with a 01:01:54.560 --> 01:01:56.460 - I mean you can have it without the broccoli rubs. 01:01:56.730 --> 01:01:56.840 - Yeah. 01:01:57.080 --> 01:01:58.900 - Well, but he's also a Muslim so he can have pork. 01:02:01.120 --> 01:02:09.120 - Well, that's really good. Pizza cheesesteak. I'll order that sometimes. I'll order it with the marinara sauce and mushrooms. 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.820 - Well, thank you. Thank you, the necrosexual. That was a fantastic answer. 01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:18.340 - We went to gyms last year. 01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:19.080 - Yeah, yeah. 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.120 I just want to say that props to zoom. 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.160 So this is our first time we're doing this via zoom and we're going to try and record the video as well. 01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:28.760 But what was great about it is, 01:02:29.380 --> 01:02:32.060 so there's six of us on here and we all have equal square. 01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:34.660 We're like the Hollywood squares or Holly weird squares. 01:02:35.240 --> 01:02:36.560 But what was great is as soon as, 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:38.380 as soon as Necro mentioned gyms, 01:02:38.640 --> 01:02:39.440 all of us started doing this. 01:02:40.180 --> 01:02:40.560 Yeah. 01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:42.460 Very good. 01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:43.640 Yeah. 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.420 It was like a perfect unison too. 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:48.440 It was great. 01:02:48.740 --> 01:02:49.460 Usually we're like, 01:02:50.220 --> 01:03:20.000 Like the, you know, Bohemian Rhapsody scene in Wayne's World. Yeah. I think you guys are having me on your maiden voyage. You always remember your first. I can definitely say you all have, you have faces for podcasts. Exactly. Isn't that the truth? That's good. I got, I got my, I got my quarantine haircut that I basically gave myself or my, I bought, sorry. What I should say is I, 01:03:22.600 --> 01:03:50.200 I told my wife like I don't know put it on number five and just go through the whole thing and my son and I have the same haircut yeah yeah get a mohawk do whatever you want at least you have hair motherfucker well hey man you're a good time you'll come back and see us again I feel sure and also should decibel ever be rescheduled then it will we're gonna get back to real life it'll just be different for a while but I think most important thing you can do is listen to 01:03:50.240 --> 01:04:20.200 and talk to your homies even if you're not in the same room you know you just find a find a way to get through it music always helps and if anybody at home is watching and bored i strongly implore you to check out you can name your own price uh for either necrosexual albums at the necrosexual band camp as well as name your own price which could be zero uh for the basilisk album so the music is out there for you and then likewise on my youtube channel we have a new thing i've been rolling out with zoom too called one-on-one with the grim one we're kind of like you guys i talk to a guest virtually and we'll talk about 01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:50.100 One Album Movie or One Thing that they have enjoyed or want to talk about at least. So I'm keeping that content coming. Right on. Yeah, dude. I checked it out today. You got a lot on there. Entertaining as hell. I plan to get a couple boxes of Franzi in during the workout. Careful. All right. Yeah, and once this all gets back to normal, we'll have a necrosexual and we'll have a basilisk back down at Atlas. 01:04:50.240 --> 01:05:20.060 Yeah, we'd love to. It's always a fun time. I'll be there. Hell yeah. No, you won't. Yes, I will. I was there for the last one. Just live streaming, right? Well, worst case scenario, we'll see you in Philadelphia. Yeah. Y'all come back now. We will. We'll be there. Next one, we're there. Hell yeah. Awesome, dude. All right. Thank you. Thanks, man. Thanks. Have a good one. Stay well. Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. 01:05:20.240 --> 01:05:49.100 My name is George. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. This is Marcuson. And we are joined today by Tom from Allfather. How are you, Tom? Not too bad, mate. Not too bad. How are you? Pretty good. Welcome back. Thank you very much. So, first of all, how are you and all of your people doing during the pandemic? Is everybody good? Everyone's good. Everyone's healthy. Most of us have got jobs still, so that's good. 01:05:50.240 --> 01:06:20.180 And apart from being stuck in and a bit bored, we're doing all right. We're doing all right. Awesome. Are you able to work then? Yeah, I'm mostly home-based anyway, so I'm fine. My other half has moved from her office into the house. There's two of us working at home now. And then everyone else within the band has either got, they're able to homework or, 01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:49.680 got their jobs apart from Al who's our guitarist who just before Christmas went self-employed and is a bit of trouble not really trouble at the moment but he needs to start thinking about what he can do for the next couple of weeks and maybe months because he's not picked up any work but he's doing all right he's doing all right so generally things are pretty all right for us. Awesome. Do you have the same sort of hoarding going on over there that we have here with things running out in the store? 01:06:50.240 --> 01:07:20.200 Yeah, if anyone doesn't know, Tom's calling from the UK. Oh, yeah. We did. So when it all kicked off a few weeks ago, it was a bit like that. And again, I'm not sure how much of it is hoarding and how much of it is just people knowing that they're going to be locked down and needing to go and get stuff all at once. But we ran out of toilet paper for a while. Not us. We were right. But generally, you can get toilet paper or pasta or rice. But we seems to be seems to be getting 01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:44.480 We've been having deliveries coming from the supermarket that most things are there. A couple of fresh bits aren't, but seems to have calmed down a little bit. So we've got everything we need. And I've got a nice little craft beer place up in London that's still doing deliveries. So that's quite nice as well. But yeah, we're all right. We're all right. Awesome. I know you're a chef, Tom. Are you cooking up a storm over there? 01:07:52.440 --> 01:08:17.880 We have to put on about a stone. About £13. Sorry, in American money. My other half is an excellent cook as well. Between us, we've been cooking stuff. A lot of carbs. I don't usually eat carbs, but we try not to be picky. I'm just eating so many potatoes and bread. Oh man, you're killing me. Any dinosaurs? 01:08:20.220 --> 01:08:50.200 I'm like down 10 pounds and all I can do is think about all the food that we don't have you know we're on like rations here you know I'm like man I would kill for a burger or a potato salads and and stuff like that yogurt we've always been a kind of a big family so there's five of us well usually five of us but the eldest has left left home now and we bought like a massive freezer about five or six years ago and 01:08:50.220 --> 01:09:18.779 It's just always kind of been stocked up anyway. So we're kind of all right with stuff. So we're kind of lucky there. But yeah, a couple of months time, we'll see where we are. But at the moment, generally things are things are all right. Do you get out of the house much? Do you go for walks or anything? We've got a garden. So I've been out in the garden, mostly chopping down trees and trying to do all the things that I'd usually wait for like June to do. But I've got an opportunity now. So I've been doing that mostly. 01:09:19.580 --> 01:09:23.540 A few walks here and there, but just trying to stay in as much as we can. 01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:27.000 How long has it been since you actually went somewhere? 01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:46.900 So, I think we've been locked down now for this Tuesday. I think it'll be three weeks. But my other half was unwell a week before that. So, we've actually been in sort of quarantine for come this Tuesday or Wednesday, about four weeks now. 01:09:48.720 --> 01:10:17.320 So the first two weeks were the hardest. And then now there's just days where it's just like, oh, God, we're so bored. Just want to go anywhere but in the house. But I think I popped down to a local shop, I dumped twice, and I went and see my oldest daughter to drop off some posts and stuff that she's had and some bits and pieces that she needs. But that's about it. Is everybody wearing masks over there now? Not. 01:10:17.940 --> 01:10:47.840 Well, having not been out. That was sort of why I was asking the first question. Certainly lots more people were wearing masks than they were before, certainly. And seeing people queuing outside of shops sort of two metres apart and only one person at a time. And it's just very, very surreal because it kind of feels normal. But then you see these sort of strange things that people have quite quickly become quite comfortable with and used to. So, yeah, it's a few times been out. 01:10:47.920 --> 01:11:17.680 It's been surreal. I did go for a bit of a drive a couple of days ago just to make sure the battery in the car hadn't gone flat and I went probably a bit further than I should have done and turned the music up a bit louder than I usually would. It was nice for a half hour or so. What have you been listening to you, Tom? Weirdly, I've been listening to less stuff because I'm at home, 01:11:33.440 --> 01:11:47.540 But there's a few new albums I've got. A band called Beggar, a UK band, who just released like a... It's weird. It's kind of like a blackened sludge, but never again. They drop in classic solos and a bit of classic rock. 01:11:47.740 --> 01:11:49.900 stuff like that. So I've been listening to that a little bit. 01:11:51.320 --> 01:11:53.900 And I've got a few albums stacked up to listen to. 01:11:53.900 --> 01:11:55.720 The new Benighted one I want to listen to. 01:11:55.820 --> 01:11:56.320 That's good. 01:11:57.160 --> 01:11:59.200 The new Colorgram one I want to listen to. 01:12:00.980 --> 01:12:04.140 And there's another one that I'll remember in a minute. 01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:08.380 But yeah, they've sort of been backing up a little bit and trying to grab stuff here and there. 01:12:09.480 --> 01:12:14.760 But actually sort of, yeah, listening to you like less stuff than I usually would at the moment. 01:12:15.700 --> 01:12:15.960 Right. 01:12:17.240 --> 01:12:47.180 So what have you been working on lately? You been doing any music with the downtime? Or I know you've got another project, but... No, nothing. No, yes. You do have something else, but it was already done, I'm sure. Yeah, we do. Yeah, so... Well, we're doing two things. So we're working on All Father's stuff to begin with. So up until lockdown, we were six songs into writing the new album. Sweet. And really gutted that we couldn't carry on writing it. 01:12:47.240 --> 01:13:17.060 because we had got into a groove. We've had a new drummer for about a year now. And there's four of us now rather than five. And last summer we put some demos down, about seven or eight demos that were, here we go into musician cliches talking about new songs, but are heavier than we've done, vaster, more extreme than we've done before. Finally got to properly start. 01:13:17.240 --> 01:13:47.040 Writing Them At The Beginning Of The Year. I said, got six songs in, really excited and everything's put on hold. So seeing what's happening with that. And then for the past, I think it's about a year and a bit, I've been working on a black metal project, Wretched Empires, with a couple of guys from over your way, Will and Cody, he's in a band called Red Bait. It's a black metal project. And last Friday, I think it was, we released the first EP. 01:13:48.560 --> 01:14:14.500 Bloom, which was three tracks, four tracks, sorry, four tracks with the instrumental. And that went down really well. It's been going really well, which was necessarily not a surprise because I was really proud of it. I thought it was really good. But considering we had, we sent it out a week before it went live, it sort of went on Bandcamp. We hadn't really spoken about it a lot before that. 01:14:16.120 --> 01:14:44.940 It went down really well. Went down really well on Bandcamp. We were in the top five metal and black metal albums for a few days. So yeah, really chuffed with that. Yeah, that's cool. How did that project come together? How did you link up with some guys from, are they in St. Louis? Yeah. Yeah, they are. So I think it was the end of 2018, All Fatherhood sort of, 01:14:46.100 --> 01:15:15.340 Gone a bit quiet. We were battling with what we were going to do next and needing to change the line up a little bit. And it all felt a bit, this might not carry on for a while. And I think I just used Twitter and stuck something up that said, if anyone's looking for vocals for a side project or anything like that, give me a shout. And Will, who was in Redbait at the time, who I've been speaking to a lot about his band, 01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:43.580 But other bits and pieces as well contacted me and said, you've got Black Metal Projects going. Do you want to try some vocals? I really like the stuff you've done on the Allfather album, the higher range stuff and the screaming and just wondered whether you want to give it a go. And I was like, well, if you think I can, I've never done that sort of thing before. But yeah, I'd love to. So Will sent me like nine demos, guitar demos. 01:15:44.220 --> 01:16:13.220 We picked three or four. And then just started trying to work out how to write black metal vocals, which I've never done before. So it took slightly longer than I thought. It was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be. Trying to practice vocals by yourself in a rehearsal room without a band. And it was actually really difficult for a while. And as I said, probably took longer than I would have liked it to. 01:16:13.540 --> 01:16:43.460 Far longer than I expect Will and Cody wanted it to. But then as it came to the end of last year, I just buckled down and went, right, I'm going to do this. And a few things came together and managed to only, I think, I think it was only a month ago, maybe five weeks ago, recorded the vocals for it finally. So got a little rehearsal room. Al, our guitarist from Allfather came with me to the studio and plugged in all these bits and pieces that he does stuff on and recorded some vocals. 01:16:43.520 --> 01:17:09.100 We sent them off to Will and he mixed them in and then it was ready to go. We just thought, let's get it out. So I sent a bit of press out a week before and then went live last Friday. So, yeah. Awesome. Sounds really good. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, I couldn't tell if I didn't know it was you. You know, I wouldn't be able to tell, which is just a compliment because it just sounds like a whole new band. 01:17:13.540 --> 01:17:43.480 The first time I did, I think the first song I worked on was Ghosts. And the first sort of vocal demo I sent to Will, I was like, I can't quite get up there at the moment. And it was a lot more all-fathery at the time. And he was really cool about it. He was like, no, that's fine, you know. You know, it's new. And then when I got to record it and practice it a bit more, I was able to work on it and just make it sound a bit more consistent with the other two songs that I sort of worked on afterwards and got rid of the all-fathers. 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.560 and just got everything high up and screechy and 01:17:48.900 --> 01:17:52.840 yeah it was and Al did a really good job of recording them as well like we did it in about 01:17:52.950 --> 01:17:57.360 three hours I think and although slightly rushed towards the end 01:17:59.010 --> 01:18:03.560 between him recording and we were mixing it yeah I was really chuffed with the outcome so 01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:06.920 I'm kind of glad it doesn't sound like it sound like me because 01:18:07.620 --> 01:18:10.400 being a being a vocalist in a band and 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:40.380 I obviously love vocals of other bands and sometimes when those vocalists go in other bands it's hard to sort of differentiate them um and they're always being compared to each other yeah and sometimes it's good you know whatever Neil Fallon from Clutch does something different I always like backs it's like an extra Clutch album because it's always the same sort of thing which is nice in one hand but um but on other hand sometimes you're like nah you can't separate them so I'm glad I'm glad it came out like that 01:18:40.520 --> 01:19:09.060 How satisfied were you doing something completely different? Or not in your normal wheelhouse? Now, well satisfied. About six months ago in the studio, where for the fifth or sixth time I just couldn't get it right, I wasn't very satisfied at all. And for me, I don't know how it is for other people, but for me, confidence with what I'm doing is really important to get those vocals right. 01:19:09.480 --> 01:19:39.440 And the more confident I am, the better I can do it, because I can relax. And over the years, I've worked out that being relaxed in what you're doing when you're doing vocals is the most important thing, because if you're not relaxed, your vocal cords are tight, and you can't do everything, you can't do all the things you need to do. So it was very much trying to get more relaxed with where I was and what I was doing. There was a thing about playing around with the volumes, so I wanted enough music to sound like there was a band, so I'd have the 01:19:39.460 --> 01:20:08.840 the music playing in the background, but then I didn't want to hear my voice unamplified, because it sounds weird unamplified, but when you put it through the microphone, it sounds a lot better, so I was trying to, and I'm not great with levels and all that sort of stuff, frankly, that's why I'm a singer, so there was a lot of just trying to get it right, but I think in the end what I did was I'd start to warm up and I'd sing basically, I'd go through half the Allfather album, 01:20:09.460 --> 01:20:39.440 do all the vocals to that just get my voice relaxed warmed up and then and then do and then do the new stuff and that and that really helped me in terms of um being more comfortable with what i was what i was doing and um yeah so now it's come out and it sounds like that i'm i'm really happy with it as well are there any uh black metal vocalists you find yourself gravitating towards at all tom i'm not i'm not this is where i you know come as a right poser but uh i don't really like black metal that much 01:20:42.240 --> 01:21:09.020 So no one-man projects are on the horizon. I'll tell you what I do. I like lots of music that's blackened. So give me some death metal, give me some hardcore, give me some punk that's blackened that sounds great. But traditional black metal I think I've generally struggled with for a long time. However, that Skeleton Witch album that came out last year, year before? Year before. 01:21:10.480 --> 01:21:38.860 The vocals on that were really something that I thought, when looking at this project, that was the goal. I didn't get there by any stretch of the imagination, but that was sort of the blueprint for me, trying to get those high distorted vocals, but trying to get some melody and some hooks into that at the same time, rather than just wailing down the microphone with noise, 01:21:38.980 --> 01:22:08.940 just trying to make it one of the things I always try to do with All Father in this is make sure that if I'm if I've written a load of words I want people to understand the words that I'm saying because otherwise what's the point and I think that's that's what I was that's what I was trying to do like I said I don't think I've got anywhere near I want anywhere near I wanted to but I learned a lot and hopefully as as as we continue to do this project which which is the plan I get better and better at doing that. Tom did you write the lyrics or the 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:38.540 Will or somebody else do it? No, I did. So I asked Will and Cody what they wanted me to write about. As at the time, it was sort of their project, and we talked about that. And then I went away and put some stuff down. And before I went even and practiced any of the vocals, I'd share the lyrics with them and say, is this the kind of thing you're after? And they would say, yeah, that's great. And then I'd take them and then I'd record them. 01:22:38.580 --> 01:23:07.280 and then I'd sort of work on them as we went. So I wouldn't necessarily change the essence of any of those but whenever you sort of start putting words to music and they never fit in so you start. I generally cut about 40% of lyrics that I write for songs because I always write too many. Everyone tells me I always write too many. I'm like no that'll be fine and then I go no there's way too many here. Just cut them out all the time. But yeah I just wrote. 01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:36.740 I just wrote the sorts of things I thought they'd want me to write, bear in mind. I'd had the music. I'd been speaking to certainly Will for a while and knew what he was about and managed to get it right. What is the lyrical content on that album about, Tom? So I suppose where Allfather is, I think it's similar to sort of anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti- 01:23:37.440 --> 01:24:07.360 and all those things that Allfather sings about. Allfather is more, I suppose, looking outwards and attacking those that are... Naughty. Yeah. Attacking the oppressors, I suppose, where I think what we wanted to do with the Wretched Empire stuff was look more inwards to ourselves, the things that we do, the thing individually, but also from a community point of view, and look at the effects. 01:24:08.020 --> 01:24:35.780 and certainly on ghosts that we have on the environment and just more sort of an introspective look at those things rather than a go out and attack people point of view so that's kind of where I went from in terms of the lyrics and I said they and then shared them with Will and Cody as I went and they're really happy with them so I'm really happy that it turned out. 01:24:36.420 --> 01:25:06.180 Is this your first transcontinental long distance collaboration? I mean, you've done this. I was about to say, my first was talking to you guys. That was my first. I'm so sorry, man. But yeah, I mean, this is the Allfather band started five, six years ago now. And that's the first band I've done in 15 years. And this is the second band I've done in, 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:35.020 21 years now, I think. So, yeah, certainly the first working at a distance as well and not being in the same room with the band, which is weird. And, yeah, it took a while to get used to. But, yeah, certainly the first thing I've done like that, yeah. So you have to... This is why I ask is if this continues on, this quarantine stuff, I mean, could Allfather kind of do this and get the rest of the stuff done? 01:25:36.080 --> 01:26:06.060 I think the I have to go to a studio I have to go to a proper studio proper vocal booth with all the gear there Al can record stuff on his laptops he's got it all set up I think with if if there's some relaxation in terms of you know quarantine and more social distancing I've been I've been thinking in my head well if we go to the studio to record we can have them in the 01:26:06.440 --> 01:26:07.640 one person recording, 01:26:07.900 --> 01:26:11.700 then one person in the sound room and they don't actually have to go near each other. 01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:12.780 So maybe we can do that. 01:26:13.500 --> 01:26:14.360 But to get to that point, 01:26:14.400 --> 01:26:16.020 we need to be in a room and practice more. 01:26:16.740 --> 01:26:17.720 And that's the problem at the moment. 01:26:18.460 --> 01:26:26.120 The songs aren't practiced enough and tweaked enough and polished enough to be ready to fully record. 01:26:27.340 --> 01:26:28.300 I think Al, 01:26:28.440 --> 01:26:29.080 just in case, 01:26:29.120 --> 01:26:33.360 has sat at home and put all the guitar tracks down for those six songs, 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:35.460 just in case. 01:26:35.480 --> 01:26:42.260 that something happens and we can but um and i'm sort of slightly in a um 01:26:43.790 --> 01:26:48.620 uh dream world where i'm thinking about building some sort of shed in my back garden where i can do 01:26:48.980 --> 01:26:54.180 build a vocal booth but i can't build anything i'm i'm not that way inclined but i have a space and 01:26:54.220 --> 01:26:59.300 i'm like maybe maybe i can do it if we're stuck here for ages but i think i think it would be 01:26:59.400 --> 01:27:05.460 difficult to be honest um and it would even be difficult just to do just to do vocals uh if nothing 01:27:05.480 --> 01:27:35.440 I think more that even if I try and do them upstairs in my bedroom screaming for three hours generally calls the yeah sounds a bit dodgy anyway so but unlikely but I think there's various stuff we can do so we've got for both projects we've got demos so we'll continue to work on those and I'll continue to write lyrics for both projects but I think when it comes to recording 01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:39.320 At the moment anyway, it'll be a challenge. 01:27:40.040 --> 01:27:45.000 Was that an additional six tracks that you were talking about him laying down, or was that the original six tracks? 01:27:45.430 --> 01:27:55.240 No, the six that we got, he put down guitars for them, which, having not heard them, but he's sure that we could use for recording purposes. 01:27:56.980 --> 01:27:59.020 But he did that in the first three days of quarantine. 01:28:00.220 --> 01:28:02.240 I was wondering how many total songs there were going to be. 01:28:03.360 --> 01:28:04.520 Or if there was an idea. 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:32.320 Well, this is what we're thinking about. Again, it depends where we are when this all comes to an end, whether we are impatient and just go and record an EP or we're patient and proper and professional and try and write another four or five tracks and do an album. I suspect the first rather than the latter. Wait for it. Wait for it. We've been doing all these songs for so long. 01:28:32.400 --> 01:29:02.080 And there is a lot of the six songs we've recorded are faster and heavier than we've done before. And the other sort of demos that we've got are slightly longer and slightly longer form in terms of songs. So there is a difference in vibe between the two things that may work for a set of EPs that come out. But we'll see where we are. 01:29:02.700 --> 01:29:31.900 see what people's situations are hopefully in a couple of months and then decide what we want to do do yourself a favor just don't put the label ep on it because george's head will explode because if it says ep he can't put it on his year-end list don't put ep on it even if it's two songs you can put it on your list right george as long as it doesn't say ep and it's longer than rain and blood i told him he could put ep on if it's like 38 minutes it's more than acceptable 01:29:32.400 --> 01:30:02.380 I think technically Bless the Earth with Fire was an EP because there was only five tracks on it and we stuck a bonus track on the end and didn't call it an EP we called it a mini album I think yeah that's right we'll probably try to do something it's still probably longer than most of Van Halen's catalogue too so yeah yeah see we've been arguing because or discussing anyway I don't know if we were arguing but the new Tombs album is I don't know I don't remember how long it is it's long 01:30:03.240 --> 01:30:04.760 It's like probably 30 some odd minutes. 01:30:05.280 --> 01:30:05.340 Yeah. 01:30:05.740 --> 01:30:06.400 It's an album. 01:30:06.700 --> 01:30:10.180 But they called it an EP and I'm like, what are you doing? 01:30:12.160 --> 01:30:14.860 At first, they called it an EP at first, then they took it down. 01:30:15.220 --> 01:30:17.460 It's just a regular album, which it should be. 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:17.860 Yeah. 01:30:18.100 --> 01:30:21.460 Because if it's the same length as Rain and Blood or longer, it's an album. 01:30:21.820 --> 01:30:22.120 That's the standard. 01:30:22.120 --> 01:30:23.040 That's our benchmark, yeah. 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:27.160 You could just change it to have records of the year rather than albums of the year. 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:28.400 That's a suggestion. 01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:29.520 Or just a time. 01:30:29.670 --> 01:30:29.780 Yeah. 01:30:29.940 --> 01:30:59.900 just say anything over 30 minutes of new material yeah we'll see all right that's cool um what do you think of uh boris johnson getting a coronavirus um two not worth two three weeks ago he was boasting on tv about shaking hands with people with coronavirus it'll be fine um and then uh he he seems to have transformed himself into some legend 01:30:59.940 --> 01:31:29.480 now that can survive it and everyone's forgotten that not only did he infect himself with it by shaking hands with people that had it already he seems to have probably infected other people with it and had to have be treated by NHS staff that are being exposed to it every day and unfortunately no one seems in terms of the press or anyone else to be pointing this out so I think it's worked really well for him. 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:36.300 actually, which is really disappointing. And bearing in mind our death tolls over the past 01:31:37.270 --> 01:31:41.800 two, three days have been more than the highest they were in Italy and Spain, 01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:50.320 it's kind of scary. And it doesn't feel like the government is being held to account for 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:58.340 decisions and poor decisions that they've made. And I think to bore you for a second about the history of 01:31:58.340 --> 01:32:28.220 the NHS in this country where we do get free healthcare, but the Conservative government for years have been trying to dismantle it, vilify a lot of the people that work within it in terms of junior doctors and the immigrants that come to the country to work as nurses and carers, and are in this situation now where they're needing to praise these people, but at the same time not providing with the equipment they need, 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:50.300 and seem to have deemed them all heroes, of which obviously they are. But just the hypocrisy of it is fairly infuriating, but is very much working for our government at the moment in terms of how they're playing it, which is incredibly frustrating as well. 01:32:50.700 --> 01:33:09.920 To make you feel a little bit better, I think CNN a couple days ago, or maybe it was NBC News here in the U.S., did do a sort of, hey, this is Boris Johnson like three weeks ago, like shaking hands, not wearing a mask and all that stuff, like sitting at 10 Downing Street, literally in the doorway shaking hands with people. And then it's like, oh, now he's got it. He's intensive care. 01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:18.280 Yeah, he went on one of our morning shows, like the least political morning show you can. 01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:49.300 And he was talking about herd immunity, talking about taking it on the chin and all this sort of thing. And just like, yeah, we'll just see. And that seems to be what ultimately the plan is. And yeah, it's crazy. And again, for some reason, the press are reporting his recovery like he's like the second coming rather than what the fuck are you doing? 01:33:49.360 --> 01:33:50.840 He will rise tomorrow 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:52.800 Exactly 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:56.780 There could be more than one Jewish zombie 01:34:01.860 --> 01:34:03.540 Well on that note 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:07.100 I have a very important question 01:34:07.820 --> 01:34:09.280 Are you the Tom 01:34:09.460 --> 01:34:11.120 that is responsible for the photo 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.020 on the album cover for 01:34:13.300 --> 01:34:13.760 Wretched Empire 01:34:14.860 --> 01:34:15.520 I am 01:34:16.700 --> 01:34:19.340 Is that in your garden or did you 01:34:19.940 --> 01:34:20.340 So, 01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:23.140 about 18, 01:34:23.380 --> 01:34:24.380 about the same time, 01:34:25.060 --> 01:34:25.720 Will asked me to, 01:34:25.980 --> 01:34:26.180 to, 01:34:26.400 --> 01:34:26.540 to, 01:34:26.540 --> 01:34:27.500 to be involved with this. 01:34:29.300 --> 01:34:30.120 I started going, 01:34:31.100 --> 01:34:32.060 taking myself off a walk. 01:34:32.060 --> 01:34:33.240 So my kids are now, 01:34:33.340 --> 01:34:34.360 my youngest is now 13. 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:37.660 The middle kid's 16 and the oldest has left home. 01:34:39.260 --> 01:34:40.680 And they don't want to do anything with me anymore. 01:34:41.240 --> 01:34:42.220 They are not interested. 01:34:42.460 --> 01:34:44.620 And you have no clue what to do it yourself now, 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:44.780 right? 01:34:45.160 --> 01:34:46.200 So I am like, 01:34:47.540 --> 01:34:47.600 what, 01:34:48.180 --> 01:34:49.260 so Sunday afternoon, 01:34:50.640 --> 01:35:19.240 I generally, when I can, and the weather's nice, go out for a walk. And to be a really boring old fart, I started taking pictures of trees and logs and mushrooms and nice sunsets and clouds and all of that shit. Not metal things. Not really, but realising that when I do it in the winter, lots of trees in the winter look like black metal logos. 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:49.300 and there was a kind of a joke I was starting to do on Twitter and Instagram which was I'll take a photo of something in the woods and make up like some sort of genre album cover to go with it so like acoustic black metal industrial core or something like that which would be like a bit of you know some metal railings with some trees around it and just kind of make jokes with it and then actually just started to quite enjoy taking photos and messing around with filters and I'm not a professional I have no idea what photography you know 01:35:49.940 --> 01:36:17.880 I've got no skills apart from my phone and going, oh, that looks nice. That looks nice. And then just kind of enjoyed it more and more. And when we were talking about an album cover, Willard got Steve Romer and Relic to do the logo, which I absolutely loved. And we were talking about an album cover. He's like, well, how about some of the photos you've been taking? And I was like, really? And then brought up a few from Instagram and stuff like that and thought, actually, they really worked. 01:36:18.900 --> 01:36:48.860 Well, it does, because I actually think it's pretty catchy. I mean, it catches your eye, because this must have popped up in my feed, I don't know, in how many people's collections the other day. And I'm like, what is this? Where did this come from? And it dawned on me, of course, when I realized what the album was. So I think you nailed it with catching attention. Yeah. Without causing any kind of black metal fury, you know, like, what is this? It stands out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then we obviously haven't got prior to it. 01:36:48.980 --> 01:37:17.860 Promo photos, because we couldn't work out how to make them consistent across the Atlantic. So we'll just send out with the press release a load of more photos to go with it. So there was different reviews popping up, and I'm like, hang on, that's another photo I took. Hang on, where's that one come from? They're all different ones. And yeah, he sent a few out with it, and we used one for the Twitter banner, and we've got one for the Bandcamp banner as well. 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:46.880 So in lieu of proper album artwork and photos, we just used some of my tree photos, which was cool. You're a professional photographer now. How does that feel, Tom? Well, many people would be surprised. So did you call the album Bloom based on the photo of blooming fungus? No. 01:37:47.280 --> 01:38:15.240 It was from the lyrics of Bloom. And then Will said to me, you know, what other photos have you got? And I was like, oh, I'm not sure. And there was a couple of trees. And then I just found this one that I don't even remember where I took it, frankly. And I was like, oh, shit, this one looks all right. And like I said, put a couple of filters on it, sent it to him. He's like, yeah, that's it. And he mocked it up in about two minutes, put the logo on it. 01:38:15.280 --> 01:38:39.700 And I'm not sure we had the album, the record name yet. And I'm like, yeah, that's it. That works really well. So no, just pure luck that one was. There's a band I found on Bandcamp, because I found it. You sure I didn't find it? I'm pretty sure you did not find this one, but it's called Lucifungus. Nope. 01:38:45.260 --> 01:39:13.820 Are they grindy? No, no. Weirdly enough, I woke up this morning about 6 o'clock and then a lot of times if I wake up early but I want to keep sleeping, I'll put my headphones on and I'll fall back asleep and I put this on because it's very repetitive kind of stoner doom. I mean, it's almost like the same three riff lines for the entire song and they'll throw in some vocals here and there. So it's very kind of droney. 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:44.800 I don't want to say droney, but repetitive stoner. Just what you need when you need to drop back off. Exactly. That's right. Nothing too interesting. So we've been asking everybody to give us their top five albums. If, well, I guess the CDC probably wouldn't be coming to see you, but whatever you've got, whatever your equivalent is over there of the government. If they came in and grabbed you and stuck you in quarantine and said, we're going to let you go. 01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:51.520 you bring five albums with you what would those be uh funny you should ask so i'm 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:55.680 prepared something although i've talked about all of them already so i gave you the wrong list but 01:39:55.820 --> 01:40:02.020 anyway so i thought uh i don't know about you guys but that devin townsend empath album from last year 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:08.660 uh i still haven't got my head around it and i'm thinking that if i'm if i stuck by myself for 01:40:09.040 --> 01:40:14.800 a few months trying to get my head around how that goes would be would be fun so that's one of them 01:40:15.480 --> 01:40:44.340 You got plenty of time. Yeah, exactly. I listened to it once all the way through. I was in the car and I put it up full blast. There's some really good bits and there's a lot of other bits as well. It was very strange. I'll spend some more time with that. The new-ish, I think it was this year, Bleached album. 01:40:44.820 --> 01:41:13.020 that came out, I think in January, on prosthetic. Really heavy, probably not deathcore, but beyond that really. Horrible, horrible stuff, but that was really good. And again, I haven't had quite enough time to get my head around all of that. So I'd listen to, I'd take that with me. That new Beggar album that I was talking about, I'd take that with me as well. Spend some more time with that, as I've only got a couple of singles off of it. 01:41:14.820 --> 01:41:43.880 And the Necropanther album that came out at the end of last year, which I really, really like. And again, to spend a little bit more time just on that, I think would cheer me up. And then probably I'll take a three inches of blood album with me as well. Is that five? That's five, isn't it? Yes. Just to get me through the hard times and three inches of blood, I reckon. 01:41:44.820 --> 01:42:13.760 I find it interesting that you're the first person we've asked this and even on all of our lists that used albums that you wanted to get more time in with as opposed to classic albums that everybody would just want to have forever kind of thing. So that's kind of cool. Yeah, I mean... Maybe he's more optimistic than we were. We might have been like, well, this is it. 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:17.540 I gotta take what I need the most 01:42:18.400 --> 01:42:20.560 I'm only gonna be here as long as I can get to this 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:21.580 Devin Townsend album 01:42:23.500 --> 01:42:24.300 but even 01:42:24.820 --> 01:42:25.160 I mean 01:42:26.200 --> 01:42:28.680 cause I love new music 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:29.360 so much 01:42:31.360 --> 01:42:32.660 I do love classic stuff 01:42:32.900 --> 01:42:34.460 but you put it on once you're like 01:42:34.460 --> 01:42:36.580 well I know it all, I know all this, I know exactly 01:42:36.740 --> 01:42:37.680 what's gonna happen next 01:42:38.060 --> 01:42:40.560 the next thing that's gonna happen, how can I listen 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:42.360 to that for the next umpteen months 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:43.820 cause I know it 01:42:43.820 --> 01:43:12.980 So if it was what are the five albums you're going to listen to the last time before your end of days, that's a very different question. But I'm going to be dragged away for a number of months. I want new stuff to listen to that I don't know back to front. That's a really good idea. I think you're on to something because I might listen to my five and be like after the first day like, well, this sucks. I know this. What am I going to do for the next three months? Yeah, exactly. 01:43:13.040 --> 01:43:40.320 As much as I'm always looking for new music, like, you know, obsessively, to take albums that I'm already very much aware of would be kind of a bummer. Yeah. Tom, have you listened to the new Black Curse album? No, I haven't. I'm writing down Black Curse. Curse or Cursed? Curse. Yep. 01:43:43.000 --> 01:44:12.800 Who were the players in that one? Zach from Chemist. Blood Incantation, Spectral Voice, and Primitive Man. Right. The album's called Endless Wound. There must be something going wrong because I haven't even heard of that. Oh, boy. It just came out. That's Black and Death. You mentioned how you're not really into black metal, but you like when black goes into other albums. 01:44:12.820 --> 01:44:40.160 It's weird. Markisan and I have gone back and forth. He says black, I say death. It's kind of like both at the same time. It's almost like a war metal almost. It's like a death in black almost in some aspects. I think it just depends on sort of like what your mindset is because someone mentioned black metal and I listened to it and I'm like, ah, this is not my thing. And then I think it was John mentioned like, are you sure? It's got a lot of death metal. And I listened to it again. I'm like, oh yeah, you're right. It has a lot of death metal. Oh, I kind of like this now. 01:44:41.260 --> 01:45:11.060 I think you guys know. Go ahead, John. I was going to say the terminology for black and death is bleph. That is the... BLEPH! Or death? Yeah. Black and black. Black and black. I hear you calling. That's a British term, I believe. Absolutely. You might like it. It's pretty heavy and it's aggressive, but it kind of goes in places I didn't expect. Well, you guys had mentioned it that one morning. 01:45:11.260 --> 01:45:12.980 And I put it on 01:45:13.080 --> 01:45:14.820 and I don't know if you ever get that moment 01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:15.980 like your heart starts racing 01:45:16.100 --> 01:45:18.200 I'm like how the fuck did I not know about this 01:45:18.360 --> 01:45:19.960 like what if they would not have said anything 01:45:20.140 --> 01:45:20.840 and I miss this 01:45:21.460 --> 01:45:22.100 Son of a bitch 01:45:22.220 --> 01:45:23.760 Well it's got guys from Blood Incantation 01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:24.640 you know how they are about 01:45:24.940 --> 01:45:25.840 you know promoting stuff 01:45:25.980 --> 01:45:26.400 they're kind of like 01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:26.600 Right 01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:27.520 Yeah exactly 01:45:28.360 --> 01:45:29.520 and once I looked at it 01:45:29.620 --> 01:45:30.700 it was it kind of 01:45:31.160 --> 01:45:31.920 you know rang in my head 01:45:32.020 --> 01:45:33.200 like oh yeah I might have heard about this 01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:33.600 but yeah 01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:35.240 very happy y'all talked about it 01:45:35.380 --> 01:45:36.560 And it's cool to hear Zach 01:45:37.040 --> 01:45:38.060 on drums from chemists 01:45:38.180 --> 01:45:39.719 do something completely different for him 01:45:42.500 --> 01:46:06.780 I'll definitely check that out. I've not even heard a whisper of it, but yeah, I'll definitely check that out. Cool. Will, do you have a lightning round? I do. Tom, it's your game. We like to play a little thing called lightning round with some of our guests. Very special guests get this. Oh, okay. You're sending it to me. 01:46:09.740 --> 01:46:39.120 I will ask you a series of questions. Right? And it's just simple things like black or white. And you have to give me an answer. Quickly. There's no pass. You have to give one of the answers that I say. So if I say black or white, you say whatever. If I say trick or treat, you say whatever. You have to either pick trick, you pick treat. Okay? And you have to do it fast. You can't think about it long. This is like off the cuff, like fast. All right? And this is a special COVID-19 edition. 01:46:39.240 --> 01:47:08.020 Oh, okay. And I will also say that I did not, since we started this interview, I did not change any of the questions. Right, okay. Does that mean there's something topical? Oh, boy. That sounds like you've changed one of the questions, but anyway. I did not. I did not change any of the questions. All right, are you ready? Uh-huh. Do you need to stretch or anything before we do that? Run away, flee. You need to get a drink or something? Take a swig, yeah. 01:47:10.540 --> 01:47:38.520 All right. Are you ready? Uh-huh. All right. Here we go. Beer or wine? Tonight. Tonight, wine. Sorry. All right. Ale or lager if it is beer? Oh, lager. Lager, lager. COVID-19 or gonorrhea? Oh, COVID-19. I think I've already had it, so, you know. Gonorrhea or COVID-19? No, COVID-19. Definitely COVID-19. 100% COVID-19. You shouldn't have said anything. Just left it out there. 01:47:40.260 --> 01:48:08.160 All right, here we go. William or Harry? William. Beard or mustache? Beer. Beard. Oh, yeah, I thought you said beer too. Oh, beard. Beard, okay. Toilet paper or bidet? Ooh, I spelled bidet, I think. Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Judas Priest. K.K. Downing or Glenn Tipton? 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:34.920 Tippi Tipton. Vaccine or quarantine? Vaccine. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump? That hurts. Boris Johnson. Death metal or black metal? What was the first one? Death metal or black metal? Death metal. 01:48:42.920 --> 01:49:08.320 Plague, I think. Face mask or pants? Pants. That's it. Well done, sir. What is your favorite color? All right. Do we have any other questions? How was your date day, Tom? Well, if I can get rid of you in the next five minutes, 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:38.840 All right, well, we can manage that. But before we go, why don't you tell everybody where they can pick up all the Allfather and Wretched Empires music? Got a Bandcamp, type in Allfather, type in Wretched Empires with a top search results for both of those on Bandcamp. All of our albums, all the records we've got from Allfather, 01:49:38.880 --> 01:50:06.660 and the Wretched Empires EP are all pay what you want at the moment. We have got some Allfather shirts and patches and stuff. Getting them sent out is slow, but I've worked out a way to do it from home without effort to go to the post office. I'm starting to get them out. But yeah, Bandcamp is the place to go. I think both are on Spotify and Allfather stuff and Wretched Empires are on Spotify and streaming and bits like that if you want to check them out. But Bandcamp's the place to go. 01:50:07.260 --> 01:50:37.140 All right. Well, thanks for coming on. And, you know, we hope everybody stays well and enjoy your evening. Cheers. Thank you. All right. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks a lot, Tom. Hello and welcome to the Mailheads Podcast. My name is George. This is Jay. This is Will. This is John. This is Matt. This is Markisan. And we've got four more people. We are joined today by all four members of Chemist. This is the first time we've had all of you on. So we've got Phil, Ben, Dan, and Zach. Welcome, gentlemen. Oh, slow down. 01:50:37.240 --> 01:51:07.220 And then we had Ben on the first time. Oh, shit. Ben, I'm sorry. I think it was just me and Zach. And it was the first time I used Skype was for this thing. Yeah. So then we had Ben on for Glacial Tomb, I think. Yeah. And then we had Phil on another time. Anyway. So I'll get once. I asked you guys at Maryland Death Fest a couple years ago. Yep. Yep. And some special time with 01:51:07.260 --> 01:51:07.920 Jay in LA. 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:11.460 I was so drunk. 01:51:12.660 --> 01:51:13.340 That was a good time. 01:51:13.350 --> 01:51:18.440 We tried to keep Jay out of here to, you know, keep things respectful, but he showed up anyway. 01:51:20.200 --> 01:51:32.380 I just remember there was no, like, windshield, or, like, screen, so all the audio was pretty, uh, nice ambient background noise. 01:51:33.780 --> 01:51:33.900 Yeah. 01:51:35.940 --> 01:51:36.660 All right. 01:51:36.780 --> 01:52:05.160 Well, first of all, I wanted to see how everybody's doing. Is everybody well? All your family's good and everything? Nobody's sick, hopefully? Yeah. Yeah. Thankfully. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. They were talking about Colorado being one of the next epicenters, if it's not already. It's been growing pretty slowly, honestly, compared to a lot of other states. Seems like we reacted faster than a couple of other ones that were sort of on the same trajectory. 01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:36.180 seem to keep it at bay more or less compared to other places. How long have you guys been in? Still growing. Yeah. How long have you been sheltering place? We're getting close to a month. Oh, so yeah, you've been there for a while then. Yeah. We're just over the third week into the fourth now. Okay. No, you weren't far behind California then, so good for you and your governor. That was the right thing to do. Are you all able to work remotely or are you like down? 01:52:38.080 --> 01:53:06.660 I'm working normally. Yeah. Yeah. I actually have a bunch of questions for you, Zach, about the brewery. Maybe later, but I'm able to work remotely. Um, I, I actually worked from home for like, I don't know, six years anyway. Yeah. So it was, it was a little different at first because my brother was staying here and, um, he was, uh, he's like, we took my office out of my, our spare bedroom. 01:53:06.780 --> 01:53:36.400 and my brother was staying in here. And then so my wife and my daughter and I were all in the same room downstairs. And fortunately, and I say this, this sounds kind of mean, but fortunately, my brother was visiting my mom down in Southern Colorado. And then the stay at home thing came out and he couldn't leave. Like sweet. And I like, I'm packing all your shit in the boxes. He's like, oh, okay. Yeah, sure. No problem. 01:53:37.820 --> 01:54:05.720 So yeah, I'm pretty used to it. Cool. I've been working from home. I started, I like really quickly got authorized for teleworking, which normally I wouldn't be able to do with my job. So I only missed like a day of work because they closed down all these centers that I work for. And so I've been working pretty normally. I've been really busy the last couple of weeks, actually, which I wasn't expecting. 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:33.960 But otherwise, it's been fairly normal for me. Just kind of weird with some new technical hiccups and stuff. But yeah. Yeah. What about you, Ben? So I'm teaching a couple of online classes. And so that was already fine. Not being able to tour certainly puts a damper on the income situation. But, you know, we've been making it work. My wife was teaching on campus. 01:54:35.820 --> 01:55:05.600 from home as well. And she's worked from home for the most part for the last couple years. So, like, for the most part, like, the home life hasn't changed a whole lot. It's just, you know, as I'm sure we'll keep talking about, it's just kind of maddening not being able to, like, go do normal things. Like, mostly just it's been maddening to still have to lead a normal life and then not have band practice to, like, work through stuff. Especially because we've been really, like, heavy in writing mode. 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:35.540 So you're in that creative mindset, that headspace, and then you're just not able to channel that energy and motivation into anything other than just sitting at home and hoping the ideas will stick around for another month. Yeah, I think that's definitely been the biggest bummer for me, which I guess all things considered is pretty nice, but not being able to have band practice sucks. Right. It's just reached to a halt. It was like, you know, we were figuring out, 01:55:35.680 --> 01:56:05.260 songs were getting the set ready for the Europe tour, which we would be on soon. And then, you know, breaks went on. It was just like that. Yeah, I think it's like it's like Ben said it just because we were so in the zone on writing album for it's like, fuck, just want to, you know, we were really hitting it. So it sucks to put the brakes on it. Just before we started, Jay sent an article from Blabbermouth that says live concerts may not return until fall of 2021. 01:56:06.620 --> 01:56:35.640 Wow. Oh, my God. That's from a New York Times article. And, you know, some bioethicists, to be fair. I mean, well, in any case, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah, I hope not. I mean, by the way, I know there's some baseball fans out there in this band, too. Oh, my God. I mean, and so that goes for everything, you know. I think one of the weirdest things to me with this is, like, that I'll still have lots of ideas that I would want to bring up in band practice and that we would want to 01:56:35.680 --> 01:57:05.640 play through new things, but now it's just this huge conglomeration of shit that I don't really want to invest the time in arranging myself for anything that feels like this weird burden of creative energy that's just sitting on my back with no place to go. It's really an odd feeling to be overwhelmed with the desire to want to create something really bad right now, but at the same time, there being too many 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:35.640 different things going on that like I can't just like sort through it myself so that's like an interesting way that it's sort of like being channeled into my body right now which I don't know what to do with do you guys normally write right together and so that's why you couldn't just like write something demo it on a computer and then work on it later Phil and I tend to stockpile ideas and then we bring them in as sort of like raw material to the band setting and we will 01:57:35.660 --> 01:58:04.960 I mean, sometimes Phil and I bounce ideas off each other ahead of time, but at this point, it's mostly like Dropbox folders full of riff ideas that, you know, the other guys have listened to, you know, Zach will listen to it and already have ideas like, I think this could go with this idea. But it really is that we take that giant pile of raw ideas and work through it collaboratively. So, I mean, on the one hand, like I tend to just record everything, well, not everything I write, but I'm constantly recording ideas. 01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:35.640 So I'm still able to come up with ideas, but it feels almost like hitting the reset button that it's back to the point of just getting all of those, you know, sort of, again, like the raw material of ideas together when it felt like we were already at like step three of the process. Yeah, it's really weird. And it leaves me with like a bunch of different song ideas where they all converge into like the same riff or like they could at least. So it's like I don't really have like a good way of arranging them so that like I could 01:58:40.280 --> 01:58:44.360 I just don't really know how to talk about it or describe it. 01:58:44.970 --> 01:58:56.840 I kind of believe that there's some fear that the more you're separate and the more you're creating things, the more there's the fear that something you are very passionate about is going to get lost because of the next five things you come up with. 01:58:58.000 --> 01:58:59.540 Even if you're recording it, you know what I mean? 01:58:59.690 --> 01:59:04.340 Like it must feel bad to feel like you're going to walk by these ideas that you're never really going to get to trot out in front of everybody. 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:34.660 If you have five new good ones after that, I'm assuming you might be part of it. I think we do that anyway. We've always been fine with it. If there's something that's not quite good enough that even one of us might be really into, and we all don't agree that it's going to work to make a song better, then we just ditch it anyway. That's not unique to this situation or anything. I think it goes more back to Ben's idea of 01:59:34.680 --> 02:00:03.580 Like, sometimes it can be really hard to kind of like, we were hitting on a really particular feeling for the songs and kind of like style. And it's once you're kind of in the flow of that, it's easy to continue on. And it's just going to take some time for us to get our heads back in that place to kind of get back in like, yeah, this is the feeling of the album again. And so it does feel a little bit like two steps back. 02:00:03.700 --> 02:00:33.680 I think we'll be able to get there. It'll just take some time to get space again. How far along are you guys with those songs? Because I meant to ask this. We talked with Tom from Allfather yesterday, and he had mentioned working on an album, and they may stop where they are and just release an EP. And it made me think, do you guys worry that you have all these ideas, you've worked on stuff, when you get started up again, that it may actually sound different? You might be going in a different direction, so you might have an album where half the songs sound one way and the other half might 02:00:33.720 --> 02:00:35.420 have a different feel and direction to it. 02:00:36.150 --> 02:00:38.440 That might force you to think about an EP possibly. 02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:40.300 They hadn't considered it until now. 02:00:40.630 --> 02:00:40.740 Geez. 02:00:41.320 --> 02:00:41.560 No. 02:00:42.700 --> 02:00:43.680 I think that's a legitimate. 02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:43.980 Yeah. 02:00:44.160 --> 02:00:44.320 I mean, 02:00:44.980 --> 02:00:46.340 I think that's a fair concern. 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:48.680 I don't think it's something that I'm, 02:00:48.780 --> 02:00:49.540 and I think I speak for all this, 02:00:49.550 --> 02:00:51.120 that we're particularly worried about because, 02:00:51.620 --> 02:00:51.760 I mean, 02:00:51.790 --> 02:00:54.440 we started writing for album four last year. 02:00:54.580 --> 02:00:56.400 Like we've been at it off and on for. 02:00:57.080 --> 02:00:57.180 Oh, 02:00:57.300 --> 02:00:58.220 so you're right well in the process. 02:00:58.490 --> 02:00:58.920 Seven months. 02:00:59.170 --> 02:00:59.260 Yeah. 02:00:59.800 --> 02:01:01.540 So like we've already had to kind of, 02:01:02.080 --> 02:01:02.760 not to this extent, 02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:31.580 but put it down and pick it back up and we've still been able to find that thread. I think it's more a matter of just regaining that creative momentum because I think creatively our heads will still be in the same kind of space of wanting to hear those same kind of notes still trying to convey the same feelings. It's just a matter of the practical side of it I think is the primary barrier. Hey what's the thing you just released? It's not out until next week actually. Well fair enough. 02:01:34.060 --> 02:02:02.500 Is that going to be pressed into physical? And if so, are you guys aware of what's going on with backlogs and physical pressing right now or anything like that? I know that's why some of the delays have happened with bands like Carcass and things. We got it out. We were fortunate to get it out and pressed just really just before. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been in the States for maybe six weeks, if that. People are getting their copies. Yeah, they are, Phil. 02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:59.780 It's a little bit like Desolation again. So it's like a co-release like Desolation was. And then album four will be full nuclear blast from that point on. Oh, split between the two labels. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about Doomed Heavy Metal. Is that just sort of like a, well, why don't you just talk about it? It's us. It's you. 02:03:02.840 --> 02:03:04.400 doing Rainbow in the dark. 02:03:06.820 --> 02:03:08.780 Can I make a comment on that first? I was like 02:03:08.780 --> 02:03:09.720 the balls on these guys. 02:03:11.900 --> 02:03:12.600 I mean I think 02:03:12.940 --> 02:03:14.760 that might have been part of it right is the 02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:16.680 idea of covering something that's well known 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:18.080 enough that it would get people's attention. 02:03:20.300 --> 02:03:21.180 So we 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:22.780 had some material sitting 02:03:22.980 --> 02:03:23.700 around. We had these 02:03:24.770 --> 02:03:26.760 other two studio tracks. We recorded the 02:03:27.200 --> 02:03:28.080 live shows 02:03:29.200 --> 02:03:30.859 in Denver at the end of 2018 02:03:31.440 --> 02:03:33.280 And so we had this stuff and 02:03:33.830 --> 02:03:36.420 Dave at 20 bucks spin had suggested doing this sort of 02:03:36.870 --> 02:03:42.680 you know like bridge release between that and album four but also sort of like the capstone release to our time at 20 bucks spin 02:03:43.380 --> 02:03:47.080 and he was like what about a cover and we racked our brains for a long time 02:03:47.820 --> 02:03:51.680 and then I remember that Phil like in passing one day had been like 02:03:52.040 --> 02:03:53.600 yeah we could probably cover the shit out of Dio 02:03:54.940 --> 02:03:58.419 and okay that's just like a little bit more arrogant than it was but he was like 02:03:58.420 --> 02:04:28.360 He's right up our alley. And he'd thrown out a few songs. And we went through so many different ideas. And I was like, hey, what if we just did one of those Dio songs Phil mentioned? And we all looked at each other and we were like, oh, yeah. That's a thing we can all agree upon. I mean, this goes back to our very first tour. We were listening to Holy Diver in the van on our first tour. And Shame on the Night was playing. And I was like, man, we could probably fucking cover this song. Because it has this badass, doomy riff at the end. 02:04:28.940 --> 02:04:54.460 with the gong accents. And so I think that while I wasn't really necessarily serious about it, at the time we were sort of realizing that if we were going to do a cover, it should be of one of the most iconic songs in metal. And so I think we just came back around to maybe doing a Dio song and that seemed like a good bit. 02:04:54.840 --> 02:05:18.420 Because we went back and forth a lot about maybe doing something more underground. But then we're like, man, if we're going to do a cover, we should do something big. Because otherwise, yeah, exactly. And so even for a while, we were kicking around Metallica and stuff. But now we just kind of ended up landing on Dio. And I'm glad. I think that worked out well. 02:05:18.440 --> 02:05:48.360 It could be scary because, you know, there's this other band that covered a Dio song a few years back that kind of sucked. But you guys pulled it off. I love this version. I mean, we had to answer this question a couple times in some of the press we've done. Like, you know, were you worried? Did you think about it? You know, and I think I've said this, at least in one of these interviews, I don't know that we ever really talked about it, but it crossed my mind, you know, like, we can't tank this. 02:05:48.440 --> 02:06:16.260 And I knew that we wouldn't as a band, but especially because, you know, if anyone could do some justice to the vocals, I think we have the guy for that job. So, you know, I don't think someone who does like gnarly, heavy vocals would would pull this song off. It would just be ridiculous. But, you know, Phil can sing. I mean, I think we we all the thing is, we all love and respect the hell out of Dio. 02:06:16.260 --> 02:06:42.400 So it's all coming from a place of just hero worship, you know? So I think because of that, we weren't worried. We were just trying to, you know, honor the song and the man. And because of that, we were just having fun doing it and weren't worrying. Right. I have to believe the sincerity matters. That goes a long way. But I still just love the thought of you guys having this conversation. It's the first thing somebody says. It's like, I don't know. How about Stairway to Heaven? 02:06:46.980 --> 02:07:15.340 Part of the no bullshit answer, too, is it's like, hey, this song's like two and a half riffs. Great. It seemed doable. I like to add a point, too, about the love, because this whole release is, for us, kind of a love letter to rock and roll and heavy metal and our fans. We've mentioned this in a lot of interviews, that the idea for this release is directly, 02:07:16.280 --> 02:07:46.240 You can trace it directly from ZZ Top's Fandango, which reads to me like a love letter to the blues and to rock and roll and their fans. It's a cool release. It's a little bit left of center because it's a mixture of studio tracks and live tracks. But the live tracks especially feel like kind of a gift to the listener. You get this really honest, raw snapshot of this band. And I feel the same way about that as I do 02:07:46.260 --> 02:07:52.280 everything Dio did where like it's honest it's raw and like Dio represents 02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:58.940 everything I love about heavy metal just like being genuine and being like excited about it 02:07:59.130 --> 02:08:04.720 till the day he died that weird little elf was excited about heavy metal on stage off stage he was 02:08:04.860 --> 02:08:16.240 excited about sharing his music with people and like that's why I love heavy metal that's why I found it when I was you know 12 years old that's why at 35 I still love it more than just about anything in the world 02:08:16.460 --> 02:08:21.680 And I think that really fueled pretty much every creative decision we made with this release. 02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:43.580 So here's another cool thing about it, though, too, which is having grown up, especially with the other guys in the pod who all grew up like me in the 80s, and I think some of you guys are that old. I used to love it when releases like this came out for my favorite bands, like King Diamond or something. There would be between-album things that came out, and you're like, oh, two to cover and three live things, like Maiden used to do a lot of little things. So first of all, it's a nod to Heavy Metal just for that reason. 02:08:44.160 --> 02:09:14.140 Yeah, I actually, that's something that I love about the release too, and that I've mentioned maybe once before, but I feel the same way. I love those things like Fandango and some of the in-between releases, and I feel like it's not really a thing anymore in metal, or especially in some other genres it's more common, but there's like this thing in metal where every release needs to be like a magnum opus, and it's like, hey, remember when 02:09:14.180 --> 02:09:44.140 Bands would just put out fun records though too. Do you remember how much fun the Garage Days Revisited was? Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. I'm going to let the other guys talk because I'm talking too much, but you mentioned ZZ Top and I just kind of know if you guys watched the Sam Dunn thing. Yeah, yeah. I was loving it because I grew up in the area where they recorded some of that stuff and I hadn't realized that like quite where they recorded the first albums and it's awesome because it's like in the middle 02:10:11.800 --> 02:10:14.020 I thought you got it last time. 02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:44.020 Did you ever see that? It's like, hey, would you blow me? Like, hey, his name is hey, would you blow me? You know what? I just got that. I've been thinking that this whole time, too. Like, because I just I finished it two weeks ago. I can't wait till I'm done kicks up part two. You obviously haven't seen the sword on stage recently. So the other thing I like about the EP is that it collects a couple of other songs like A Conversation With Death, which I think I have on a seven inch. That's this. 02:10:44.160 --> 02:11:14.140 was it split with Spirit Adrift, was it? I meant to check that and confirm my memory there. And then the other thing, the Empty Throne, which was the Decibel song. So I'm like, hey, I don't have to like, you know, I could just go to one place for these things now. And then live songs, too. So that was very cool. Conversation of Death, that was a Southern acapella song, right? Originally? Yeah. Yeah. What was it like to do that? Because there's no original music to base that on. It was super fun. Like, it left us so much freedom with what we were going to do. 02:11:14.180 --> 02:11:43.680 to do with it. That it was almost like just being gifted the lyrics and vibe of a song without being constricted at all musically by what it was supposed to be. So it was really kind of a unique experience. Ben, how did you figure out, because you figured out some of the structure for the timing of that lyrically. Can you talk about that? Yeah, so I grabbed the recording of the Lloyd Chandler version, which is, like, 02:11:43.740 --> 02:12:13.720 We got the vibe from it, but we only used a tenth of the words in it because there is no chorus in the song. There's just 13 verses in a row. I just grabbed one and threw it into my DAW and was trying to figure out what the tempo should be. How does it repeat? I came to the realization that the structure of each verse is weird. There's an extra measure at the end of 02:12:13.740 --> 02:12:42.880 each sort of iteration that you wouldn't expect. And I just sort of mocked it up. I was like, I don't remember exactly how I came to the sort of general chord progression. And I think I sent it to Phil and he was like, this is cool, but I can't sing in this key. And we just like shifted it down, came to practice and I was like, all right, follow these weird counts with me. But it's pretty easy aside from that. Right. Yeah. And then Ben just totally, totally from scratch. 02:12:43.760 --> 02:13:12.600 A Chorus riff. It was like, how about this? And that was it, I think. I mean, that's how I remember it. It was like one time through, bam, chorus. And then Phil just started yelling, oh, death, and song. Next song. Pretty much, yeah. It fell very to NHD in that respect, yeah. Why'd you guys decide to cover that one? It's all Zach. Yeah, I don't know. I love kind of classic American folk music. 02:13:13.760 --> 02:13:37.540 I have, you know, spent some time with that. And we were kicking around doing a track in that, that are covering a song in that area. And I was like, man, I always love this song because the lyrics are so cryptic. And so I pitched it to the guys and everybody was into it. So. 02:13:37.660 --> 02:14:07.040 I feel like there was a theme too with maybe what Nate with Spirit of Drift had done too like we were trying to kind of vibe with that and also Camper Van Beethoven's covers sick too. I hadn't seen No Brother Where Art Thou at the time either so like I didn't know that that was in that movie. Are you a John Prine guy by the way? Yeah yeah we all are. Oh you guys all are okay yeah and I like John Prine too. Well that's fucked up huh? 02:14:07.160 --> 02:14:36.140 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very sad. I thought he was getting better. You know, they were like, oh, he's sick. He's in the hospital. He's not doing well, critical condition or whatever. And then they were like, he's improving. And then boom, he's dead. And yet Boris Johnson continues to live. Yeah. That's cool, man. That's quite a trade. Yeah. He made actually a pretty classy statement today. So whatever. Boris Johnson that is, not John Prine. Yeah. That would have been something, especially on Easter. He'd be bored in the microphone. 02:14:37.780 --> 02:15:07.120 John was old though John and he had bad health problems by the way I don't think he was a very healthy guy oh yeah I mean he he'd already beat cancer twice and you know it was really overweight and all this stuff so the odds were against him so how'd you go sorry George go ahead no no please I was just gonna say you know when Ben told me Ben obvious Ben's a big John Prine fan and really kind of encouraged my fandom a lot 02:15:07.140 --> 02:15:36.460 When Ben first told us he was sick, it was really weird because I had just listened to, oh God, what's it called? The Tree, the 2018. Oh yeah, yeah. Tree of Forgiveness. Tree of Forgiveness. And I was thinking about how, you know, fucking sad and really dark it was, which isn't necessarily unique for John Prime, but I listened to that maybe the day before. Ben told me he had gotten sick and I, and you know, it just, it's bizarre how so many albums, 02:15:36.540 --> 02:16:06.380 So many last albums recently, you know, within like the last five or six years, when we've been losing all these great artists, how many final albums are, are so, um, yeah. And yeah, and Leonard Cohen's last album. Leonard Cohen's album is the one I was thinking of George. It was just like, please take me right. Fucking now. I think Bowie and Leonard both knew they were going. Yeah. Yeah. But also that Bowie video for Lazarus dude, that fucking, I can't, I, 02:16:07.220 --> 02:16:36.500 Oh, Jesus. You know the one I'm talking about where he's in bed and everything? Oh, yeah. Oh, fuck. That's heartbreaking. I love it. And I've only been to watch it like twice. Yeah. You can only handle that. But it is the fact that they're almost like predictors, you know, of the end is really hard. Yeah. We just lost Ben. Oh, yeah. I mean, no, he'll be back. The last track on that prime album is when I get to heaven. 02:16:36.599 --> 02:16:44.179 which is a pretty lighthearted song in a way but you know which about which is kind of how he should go out i think 02:16:44.599 --> 02:16:51.860 yeah totally i love it it's great yeah ben's computer just rebooted he's i don't know he'll be back 02:16:52.440 --> 02:16:56.840 all right um so how did you guys go about picking the three live tracks 02:17:00.320 --> 02:17:01.800 Go, Phil. 02:17:02.250 --> 02:17:12.860 I think it was like, well, we'd recorded almost every song that we've ever written because we played almost every song we've released during the two nights that we recorded. 02:17:13.880 --> 02:17:16.700 And I know that we wanted to keep one song from each album. 02:17:18.700 --> 02:17:27.059 And so part of it was just like the strength of the performances, but also a lot of it was like about what would flow well and sort of communicate like the experience. 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:57.019 of a live set in just three songs. So something that was kind of cool was that Bloodletting and Three Gates go into each other already. And at least how we've been playing them live for the last like year or so. And then it sort of we'd been asked by David at 20 bucks bin to try and do Bereaved if we could because it was sort of a fan favorite. And I was happy to have it on there. 02:17:57.080 --> 02:18:26.760 and I think everybody else was too and it feels like a good set closer generally and so there was also like a way to sort of make that flow with the first two tracks and it just feels like kind of a complete experience where you're you know getting blasted by some like opening harmonies at the beginning and then you're closing off with these you know guitar harmonies at the end after sort of a somber letdown and so it just made sense as a flow and the songs were all done pretty well and so yeah. 02:18:27.059 --> 02:18:28.200 It's kind of the combination of the two. 02:18:32.339 --> 02:18:52.580 Nothing to add, really. I mean, I think we're all pleased that Bereave got on there because it kind of was a signature song for us for a long time and really was like a point, a jumping off point for us. And so I think the three songs from each album, you know, it's a nice journey, albeit, I guess, not in order. 02:18:53.670 --> 02:18:53.800 Yeah. 02:18:55.340 --> 02:19:24.980 No, it's in order. It's just in reverse order. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think it really was just, you know, partly practical, which were the good performances and then what flowed well together. So. And what would fit on one side of a thing, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We couldn't have hunted on there because it would, you know, that would be like most of the side. It'd be just that side. Yeah. Which was a good take. So it was like, ah, 02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:55.260 We were with that one right up till the end. Save that for an online bonus track somewhere. Yeah, maybe so. All right. Anybody have any more questions about the EP? No, I'll just make a quick statement. As a fan of live recordings, I'm glad you guys did pick a song from each album because I can't tell you how many times a band will release an EP and they'll put some live tracks. It's all from one album. It's kind of nice. 02:19:55.340 --> 02:19:56.360 to get something from everything. 02:19:57.460 --> 02:20:02.380 I wouldn't say you're closing a chapter, but maybe you're moving on to something else, you know, and it's kind of a nice way to do that. 02:20:03.020 --> 02:20:05.040 So I appreciate that you guys did that personally. 02:20:05.680 --> 02:20:10.700 We've been thinking about this like as sort of the closing of like a trilogy of records anyways. 02:20:11.080 --> 02:20:16.100 So it feels good to sort of send it off in this way, I think, for all of us. 02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:16.840 Yeah. 02:20:18.140 --> 02:20:21.560 As like some fan service, but also just for us to, you know. 02:20:22.500 --> 02:20:51.440 Well, it gives you guys a chance to actually, in a small snapshot, put your whole career there. You know, the albums you've released, and everyone can kind of get a feel for where you are at that point, with everything up to that point. Right, yeah. What's your favorite D.U. album of all time? From his own band, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell, what's your favorite? Dehumanizer. Whoa. That's a good one. You know, it's funny, because of- It is so good. 02:20:52.000 --> 02:21:21.880 Because of being on this podcast, I've learned that the Dio from Jay, I learned that the Dio record box set came out. And like the minute I hung up this call, I opened that shit. Right now, the whole collection. It's hard to pick a favorite. Yeah. Were there other favorites to be called out? I think the last in line for me. I mean, I love Holy Diver. 02:21:21.980 --> 02:21:25.720 But I don't know. There's something about that album. It's just 02:21:26.740 --> 02:21:27.600 it's really fun 02:21:28.260 --> 02:21:29.880 and easy to listen to. I speed 02:21:30.020 --> 02:21:31.320 at night. I mean, I don't know. 02:21:31.980 --> 02:21:33.840 It's great. It's a great song. It's a ripper. 02:21:34.840 --> 02:21:36.400 So Last in Line is mine 02:21:36.560 --> 02:21:37.960 just because I think it was the first one that I 02:21:38.080 --> 02:21:39.220 it was the first one that I got 02:21:40.480 --> 02:21:41.740 for any whether it be 02:21:42.440 --> 02:21:43.920 Elf or Rainbow or 02:21:44.300 --> 02:21:45.640 D.O. whatever. Yeah. 02:21:46.460 --> 02:21:47.700 Man, I love Rainbow. 02:21:48.220 --> 02:21:50.341 There was a guy who worked at the brewery with us 02:21:50.360 --> 02:22:19.400 who listen to it every day for months. And so I just, it turned me out, man. Phil, do you have a favorite? I'm a holy diver guy, but I also like mob rules a lot too. I like signing the Southern Cross. Of course you do. Falling off the edge of the world. Zach, you'll appreciate this. Jay has berated me a few times. 02:22:20.340 --> 02:22:50.280 We need to make a beer called the sign of the Southern Cross. And then I'm like, well, we can just use a whole bunch of New Zealand or Australian hops in it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So feel free to steal that idea if you want, Zach. This is my chance. Not to sell you guys on this, but just to pimp an article I wrote that's on our site that's about the meaning of Dale's lyrics. I wrote a really extensive article about that. If you have the time, you might want to read it. Oh, really? That's cool. Because it's about how his lyrics are parallel to what was really happening in his life at any given time. 02:22:50.360 --> 02:23:19.520 which is true with you. He was always talking about himself really. But anyway. Dude, I was always like under the impression that he was just like writing bullshit fantasy lyrics like my entire life until we did this cover. And then I was like actually paying attention to the lyrics because I was supposed to sing them. And I was like, fuck, this is actually like really profound, even though this song seems so silly. And that it was clear that he just like had some real demons that he was struggling with. 02:23:19.540 --> 02:23:49.240 And everywhere else on Holy Diver, there's evidence of these same recurring regrets. You could just tell that there was something there that he was expressing, but he was doing a really good job obscuring it with this imagery that was not quite opaque enough that you could get through to the man himself. I was really touched by that, actually. I felt like, in some ways, that's what I try to do a lot with the lyrics. 02:23:49.540 --> 02:24:00.060 for this band and that I just felt like a really strong kingship with him when it came to, you know, actually performing this song because of that. 02:24:00.430 --> 02:24:01.080 Let me give you one. 02:24:02.040 --> 02:24:07.020 You know, in that in that album, if your circle stays unbroken, then you're lucky, man, because it never has for me. 02:24:07.080 --> 02:24:08.860 He's talking about all the fucking bands he's lost, dude. 02:24:09.020 --> 02:24:11.380 All the guys, all the bands he's tried to get with and shit fell apart. 02:24:11.790 --> 02:24:13.820 Read that article, please, too, because I'm telling you. 02:24:13.880 --> 02:24:15.360 That's what Jay's article is all about that. 02:24:15.440 --> 02:24:45.160 It's like people think he's writing about dragons and wizards, but it's a lot deeper than that. And it is about dragons and wizards. It's easy to think that when you look at all those old videos where he's got a sword that's actually longer than his height. They had an auction of his personal items a while back, and I so regret not buying a sword because he had some swords. They were predicting they were going to go for like 700 bucks. 02:24:45.440 --> 02:25:15.060 And I was like, I'll spend $700 on a Dio sword. Fuck. But I didn't. I didn't. Oh, yeah. His real name in it. Say that again, Will? I tried to get his passport that had his real name in it, but. Oh, shit. Plus, he was a baseball guy, Dan. So he had things like that the Cleveland Indians had given him that said like Dio, like a Dio Indians jersey that said Dio. Oh, no way. That's cool as fuck. Those were all for low prices, so. Talking about this. 02:25:15.420 --> 02:25:45.040 My daughter Evelyn is here who is a big chemist fan and she wanted to say hi. Hi Evelyn. Hi. But it was funny when we were up in Pennsylvania a couple weeks ago. Remember we went to Joanne's Fabrics? Uh huh. And what was that woman? I like where this is going. You muted yourself well. Sorry. We were at a tell them the story real quick. So I sew on a sewing machine. 02:25:45.440 --> 02:26:15.340 I went to the fabric store and then the lady that was checking us out, her name was Dio. Oh, no kidding. Her real name was Dio. Was that her first name? Yeah. Is that real? Ronnie James Deer? She's like, oh yeah, it's real. Was her last name Chemist? I really want Chemist to make a sword that I can buy now. Yeah, with toys. I buy all the heavy metal toys, man. Make a toy. I'll take a Chemist toy. I don't want a toy. 02:26:15.440 --> 02:26:16.640 I want a real fucking sword. 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:17.440 Well, you know what I mean. 02:26:18.260 --> 02:26:19.580 Let's get you together with Super 7. 02:26:19.630 --> 02:26:20.640 Do you guys know Super 7? 02:26:21.710 --> 02:26:24.380 If we make a real sword and then somebody kills someone with it, 02:26:24.380 --> 02:26:26.140 I feel like somehow we'll get in trouble for it. 02:26:27.520 --> 02:26:29.240 Just a fine print on the package, dude. 02:26:30.180 --> 02:26:31.760 Not kill people with this sword. 02:26:35.919 --> 02:26:37.720 Hey, my daughter's going to go, 02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:39.980 but she is actually a pretty big fan of you guys. 02:26:40.430 --> 02:26:42.200 But tell them what we were. 02:26:42.340 --> 02:26:43.520 She's got both the, 02:26:43.720 --> 02:26:45.320 what are the two flags you have in your room? 02:26:46.140 --> 02:26:47.060 Desolation and Hunted. 02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:54.020 She's got the two big flags that I bought from Dan at the Songbird when you guys played here in D.C. 02:26:54.080 --> 02:26:56.160 But what did you notice about them? 02:26:58.779 --> 02:27:01.480 A lot of the same things in Desolation were in Hunted. 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:03.620 A lot of the same things in Hunted were in Desolation. 02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:08.780 And what happens to the wizards and the woman and stuff? 02:27:10.060 --> 02:27:11.060 She pointed all this out to me. 02:27:11.080 --> 02:27:12.120 I'm like, whoa. 02:27:12.240 --> 02:27:13.360 Because, you know, I never looked at it. 02:27:13.380 --> 02:27:14.520 But she's got the two flags. 02:27:15.000 --> 02:27:44.800 One's above her bed, one's on the wall. And she's like, well, if you look at this, this guy's over here now. And the woman, she's crouching over here, but now she's on the throne. And I'm like, my mind was blown. I'm like, she figured all this stuff out. And I mean, most people probably figured out way before I did. Beginning around the age eight or nine. Yeah. Exactly. When I was a kid, I used to, when I was a kid, I used to do the exact same thing, looking at album covers and stuff that like my dad had. And I would sort of like think about what the stories were. 02:27:45.020 --> 02:28:14.960 going on. So that makes me really happy that you were looking at it and able to figure it out. That's really cool. Very cool. The progression of the maiden covers comes to mind. Yeah. Where Eddie just falls apart. Yeah, basically. Flying torso. Well, it is cool because it is a mascot for you, that horned wizard. Is his name Leonard? I think I read that once. Yeah. Leonard, the beer wizard. 02:28:15.020 --> 02:28:44.980 or something like that, right? Yeah, that's right. So nobody does that. So what was the thought behind using a recurring character? Well, actually, you have two recurring characters on your album, aren't you? How did that come about? I mean, Eddie. I mean, you make it sound like we have a really complicated plan here. We were like, hey, that wizard's cool. Let's do that some more. I mean, I know Zach did put it out there when we were talking about the second album cover. He's like, you know, there's 02:28:45.020 --> 02:29:14.980 There's nothing wrong with having an Eddie. It'd be kind of cool if we could keep this going. But the art originally came about because we were trying to figure out a t-shirt design for our first shirt. And at the time, there was like a lot of these kind of like throwback kind of rock bands, like stonery rock bands. And there was a lot of like wizard and motorcycle imagery and shit like that. And I remember we were at High Dive watching somebody 02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:44.980 I think and um and we were we're talking about what the art should be and I said just as long as it's not like a wizard riding a motorcycle drinking a beer that you know and then the other dudes are like that's exactly what it should be so then so when we contacted so we contacted Sam Turner you know Zach's friend and the and the uh um artist at true and I said I 02:29:45.020 --> 02:30:14.880 I told them I didn't want this, but they kind of want it. So can you figure something out that isn't, you know, super cheesy? I didn't want it to be like that kind of stoner rock vibe, you know? So he came up with this great image of the wizard, just super cool and dark and creepy. And he just had just, you guys may have seen it. He just had, you could just see the wizard's head in his hands. And in one of his hands, he was pouring a beer. 02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:44.980 to a goblet. I'm picturing you trying to keep control of this thing and they're all saying, yeah, but what if we put bell bottoms on this guy? It's okay to have the wizard if you balance it with some boobs and you got boobs. I think our concession was, okay, it could be a wizard drinking beer. He just won't be on a motorcycle. And somehow that was enough for everybody. And the beer was a Coors, which was a little tribute to Colorado. And I thought that was really 02:30:45.000 --> 02:31:13.960 We were all pretty excited about that. My kid couldn't wear it to school because it had a Coors beer on it. I guess you would have been, what, five back then, probably. Could you just put some, like, Gorilla tape over the Coors name? Yeah, exactly. I know, of course, a lot of the original inspiration was, you know, Frank Frazetta stuff and just looking at old album covers from the 70s that had that artwork. 02:31:15.020 --> 02:31:44.920 But at the time especially, I just feel like there haven't been a lot of bands since Maiden that have had kind of like an iconic character or image like with Eddie. And so I don't know that it was all that lofty to begin with, but it was like, I think that's cool. What if we did something similar? Who else has done it? Megadeth, I guess. Dio. Yeah. Motorhead. Yeah, okay. I mean, I guess, 02:31:45.020 --> 02:32:14.560 A Lot of People Use the Same Artist. I'm thinking of Talk Talk. They always had the same artists, but metal bands often have repeat artists. The guy, the iconic image is probably not that common. Why did you name him Leonard? Who came up with Leonard? We were probably just tired of answering that question. Sorry, I just made it worse. 02:32:16.500 --> 02:32:44.900 I thought it was you, Dan. I thought you came up with Leonard. I think I did. It definitely came out of that. I don't know Leonard. Let's call him Leonard. Does anybody know why Eddie is Eddie? I do. I mean, some of you guys got to know. I definitely heard this on like a documentary or something and did not mean it. Do you know George? I don't know, actually. I used to. I don't remember because I know we've talked about it before. When they first started playing live, 02:32:45.000 --> 02:33:14.920 They had, and it didn't really look like him, but it was just a head that they had. All right, Ed the Head. Yes, yeah. Well, it was because Ed is what you say in bad English, English. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's the Ed. And then he slowly just became Eddie. Actually, I remember where Leonard came from now. It was from the Oathbreaker tour because a guy in the band was named Leonard with a T. Oh, right, yeah. Well, we didn't know that that's how it was spelled, so we all just thought it was Leonard. 02:33:15.420 --> 02:33:44.460 And there was something just weirdly funny to us about, I don't know, a dude playing post-black metal named Leonard. And so that name just stuck in our brains. And so that was just on the brain on that tour when we named him. Yeah, that's probably right. That's what it was. Does everybody know the, sorry. Go ahead, George. Nope. You first. I was going to say, Jay, speaking of the accent thing, I've been watching, 02:33:44.620 --> 02:34:14.580 because I've been watching a lot of music documentaries and I've watched pretty much everything with Steve Harris about 20 times but man his accent is just wild thick and it's so East London yeah nothing you know I mean he yeah he's Steve I wonder if I'm going to understand what he's saying you need an English to English book you know I mean he's like he is I mean he came from the streets that guy like really that East side of London is rough and yeah that you're going to get a lot of the nothing 02:34:14.580 --> 02:34:15.400 It doesn't mean nothing. 02:34:15.640 --> 02:34:16.520 Nothing with an F. 02:34:16.660 --> 02:34:16.780 Yeah. 02:34:17.860 --> 02:34:20.140 Speaking of while you guys are talking, I'm going to grab something. 02:34:21.460 --> 02:34:25.140 The last time I was in London, I went all the way to the Ruskin Arms, 02:34:25.340 --> 02:34:32.340 or Ruskin Arms, which is where they sort of used to hang out in some of the first shows. 02:34:32.560 --> 02:34:34.580 It's this bar way out in East London. 02:34:34.620 --> 02:34:36.800 I mean, it took me like an hour in the tube to get there. 02:34:37.780 --> 02:34:39.080 And it is a rough part of town. 02:34:39.080 --> 02:34:42.780 I mean, it's a very South Asian heavy part of town now. 02:34:43.760 --> 02:35:13.740 And what was infuriating is I didn't have a whole lot of time. I went all the way out there and it was fucking close. Yeah. Oh, damn it, man. Dan, you were picking up something kind of special. Yeah. What do you got? The guys haven't seen this because I was hanging on to it until I could get it tuned for our tuning. Can I ask you to point it at us like a machine gun when you get a chance? Here is my Steve Harris signature. Fuck yeah, dude. Made in Japan from the 90s. Oh, it's literally a signature? It is, yeah. I don't see Dan's 02:35:13.780 --> 02:35:15.320 video for some reason. 02:35:16.020 --> 02:35:16.640 Oh, you're missing out. 02:35:16.740 --> 02:35:17.500 You guys see the signature? 02:35:17.860 --> 02:35:17.940 Yep. 02:35:18.080 --> 02:35:18.320 Yeah. 02:35:19.479 --> 02:35:21.180 I just see Dan's picture. 02:35:21.500 --> 02:35:22.020 Oh, damn it. 02:35:22.220 --> 02:35:24.380 Well, describe it to me in great detail. 02:35:26.060 --> 02:35:29.100 I was going to say about the blue names. 02:35:30.939 --> 02:35:32.880 The evil wizard is named Leonard. 02:35:34.319 --> 02:35:35.720 Sorry, Leroy. 02:35:37.060 --> 02:35:38.640 So we have Leonard and Leroy. 02:35:38.720 --> 02:36:08.520 And the craziest thing about this is Phil, there's a tie-in to Phil's actual reality. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was just home in February with my parents, and we were sort of going through some old stuff because I was trying to figure out what the ancestry is like on my mom's side of the family because I had no idea about any of it. Where's home? Washington State, Seattle. 02:36:08.700 --> 02:36:12.180 And we were looking through 02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:15.000 like some old like 02:36:15.220 --> 02:36:16.500 documenting shit that she had. 02:36:16.960 --> 02:36:19.260 And one of her uncles is named 02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:21.820 Leonard Leroy Wall. 02:36:24.020 --> 02:36:24.980 Unbelievable, man. 02:36:25.140 --> 02:36:26.700 And he was a bad motherfucker. 02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:30.320 He was a wizard, obviously. 02:36:30.450 --> 02:36:32.060 He was a wizard on a motorcycle. 02:36:34.100 --> 02:36:34.780 Drinking beer. 02:36:36.020 --> 02:36:37.700 So that kind of fucking blew my mind. 02:36:37.800 --> 02:37:07.760 I just texted everybody a shot of the piece of paper I was looking at or something. I was like, what the fuck? Bad, bad Leroy Wall. W-A-H-L. Marcus, these guys need a comic book. Well, actually, since we were talking about art on Twitter a few months back, they asked people if we'd be interested in seeing a collaboration with a 02:37:07.800 --> 02:37:37.660 Daniel Warren Johnson, who's a great writer artist in the Chicago area where I'm originally, well, I'm not originally from, but I moved from there recently. So I was wondering if anything is in the works for that. I mean, I, I love his art. We, we all love his art. He came out to the Chicago show on this last tour and hung out and gifted me a copy of murder Falcon, which is like, I don't really read a whole lot of comics and it blew my mind. And like, I cried. It's one of the greatest pieces of art I've seen in a long time. 02:37:38.439 --> 02:38:07.760 So I threw that out there on a whim. It's not something we've really talked about, but I won't say that it couldn't happen. He was super stoked about it. And like, he hit me up about it. I was like, yeah, we can see. Like, I was just kind of floating the idea. Like, I don't have anything to commit to right now. He's like, we're cool. I think it's sick. I hope so. I hope you guys do some of them. He's doing a Wonder Woman comic called Black Earth, which is basically like the apocalypse in Wonder 02:38:07.780 --> 02:38:37.640 has Batman's utility belt and just killing monsters with swords. It's fantastic. It's like the most metal superhero story ever. Maybe I need to start reading comics again. Apparently we're going to be immortalized and killed off in a comic book sometime this year. Ironic. Immortalized and killed off in the same comic book. That's probably one of my proudest moments. You want to talk about that, Will? Yeah, yeah. My niece's husband, Jesse Bear, is a comic book writer. 02:38:37.800 --> 02:39:06.741 Much like Markisan and he's got this sort of like slasher horror you know noir supernatural comic that he's working on he's got a couple a couple of issues sort of already laid out and I read them and it was really it was really just well done it's like it's super freaky like there's this it's kind of like this cult old school cult following of like it's almost like the Illuminati of serial killers anyway so in the Kickstarter 02:39:07.720 --> 02:39:34.760 I pledged way, way, way too much money. But I said, but I said, hey, look, I want all six of us in the podcast to be like slaughtered wearing our favorite band T-shirts from like the, you know, the mid 90s to the early aughts. And he's like, yeah, done. So we ought to submit pictures of what shirt we want to be wearing. And so we're all going to be immortalized and brutalized and slaughtered in a comic book. That's for us. That's awesome. 02:39:35.700 --> 02:40:05.340 I just realized my shirt is not 90s. I might have to send you a new one. No, no, it can be late 90s to like 2006. So that's like three years before my band's first album. So I got to bring us back to a coronavirus question here because it really occurred to me and I know there's a lot happening, evil, terrible things happening for the music industry. But you guys had an actual tour booked and I know you've mentioned about that. Obviously, it's postponed slash canceled for now. 02:40:05.680 --> 02:40:35.400 What process goes into canceling that? Do you have to get on the phone with promoters and stuff? How did that come about? Was the decision kind of made for you? It was real obnoxious. So I'm the one that's sort of in charge of the Europe side of booking stuff for us. And so there's all this work that goes into booking a European tour, including getting flights and a van rental and all of these things and renting equipment. And so it's kind of like a lot of logistical. 02:40:35.680 --> 02:41:05.420 stuff. And because of that, essentially, like, our booking agent over there really wanted to wait till the last possible second to tell us that it wasn't happening for sure. And so I was checking in with him pretty regularly because I wanted to have time to, like, make sure this shit gets canceled so we don't get stuck footing the bill for it. But basically, he found out through the different promoters for the different shows, like, once, 02:41:05.680 --> 02:41:35.340 half of the shows had been canceled. He finally told us, we're not doing it anymore. But if I'd known about it, I would have pulled the plug after one of them got canceled. You guys were kind of late. I remember your announcement came out a little later than a lot of canceled tours I saw. They were also telling to hold off. Because it didn't get canceled exactly. It's postponed until next year. So all the promoters wanted time to lock everything in. So that instead of just saying the tour's off, they could say the tour is not having this year, it's happening next year, and here are the dates. 02:41:35.700 --> 02:42:05.600 the lineups and all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We knew for a while it wasn't happening. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. But it definitely, I can remember though, there was, part of it was forced, you know, the hand was forced when stuff started shutting down across Europe. That's when they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how much, how many things were canceled? How much has been lost in all this? Literally everything. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. I mean, 02:42:05.700 --> 02:42:35.640 And the thing that was really weird about it was that like from in four days, it went from, oh, people are overreacting to this, this being like the email that I got from our promoter or from our book. And they're like, people are overreacting. This is all going to be fine to like four days and me being like, well, I don't know about that. So like four days later and being like, oh yeah, the whole thing's canceled. So it was pretty funny. I was worried that they were hanging on so long, to be honest, because I had, you know, I was talking about it with my wife. 02:42:35.680 --> 02:43:05.620 Why if I'm like, we can't fucking do this. There's no way. Like, what if we get stuck over there? I mean, you guys know, everything changed so fast every day. You know, three weeks ago, every day was like a whole new world you were living in. So I'm, you know, I'm glad that. Well, I shouldn't say I'm glad. Obviously, we're it's it's horrible that all this is happening. And it's horrible. Our tourist concert, but canceled. But I'm glad that, you know, we could stop worrying about it. At least. No, like, okay, we're not. 02:43:06.939 --> 02:43:35.660 I can imagine dude I felt that way about work I was like do I have to come here tomorrow or not you know what I mean and I'll start to feel weird about coming here tomorrow yeah it's interesting from you know for me on the venue and slash promoter side is that a lot of the a lot of the other promoters who are booking at Atlas they were looking at the city or state in DC it's the city like regulations kind of like with decibel magazine it was like when the city of 02:43:39.340 --> 02:44:05.100 And so it was then when DC's like, okay, no groups over 200. And then we're like, okay, we're still good. We're still good because, you know, our capacity is about 150. And then when they started lowering it and lowering it, like, oh, that's when you got to cancel it. And that's what. So I just noticed that, like, either whether it was Decibel or some other shows, especially Atlas, is when they started lowering the amount of people that can congregate. And they're like, well, now we have to cancel. 02:44:05.859 --> 02:44:35.200 That's why we were going to go. With my band, it was no problem. We were like, 10 people? No, I think we're still cool. Well, initially, that's what they were saying for our European tour. You know, the first stages were like, oh, it's less than the venues are smaller than the cap that they have right now for gatherings. So we're like, okay, we're cool. We can still do the thing. And then it changed every day. And I think it was just like phases. I remember the last thing was like, oh, well, there's not a track. 02:44:35.280 --> 02:45:04.380 to the UK, so maybe we could do Desert Fest still. And of course, at that point, we all were like, no. You know, they were holding on the promoters and were like, nah, man. The most ironic cancellation to me is the Cattle Decapitation Tour was called the European Pandemic Tour, and they had to cancel that. That's what it was literally the name of the tour. Did you guys see their video for Bring Back the Plague? It's so good. I love it. I've watched it like 10 times. Brilliant. Yeah. 02:45:05.280 --> 02:45:34.720 What do you think of those guys at NAMM this year, but I have not seen the video? What are they like? They look young to me. No. No, they're not young. They're older than they look. Like in the video, they look young. And they're all like real hardcore vegetarians and shit, I assume, right? Is that their thing? They got off of that. A couple are. A couple are. Yeah, they started out that way. It's not like a unifying thing anymore. And where did you hang out with them? At NAMM. Oh, at NAMM. Oh, you went to that. Oh, cool. 02:45:35.300 --> 02:45:39.380 as a group or did you go down by yourself or i just went i think phil was going 02:45:39.880 --> 02:45:44.040 everyone was going to try to go i know ben wanted to go to um just wasn't in the cards for 02:45:44.120 --> 02:45:50.180 everyone so i went with uh oh dave otero our producer um this is the second year in a row that we've gone together 02:45:50.680 --> 02:45:55.880 so and he did they know chemists cal decapitation they know you guys the band well only through 02:45:56.520 --> 02:46:02.741 yeah they do now um when we i think the first time i met those guys it was at otero's birthday party at true 02:46:03.260 --> 02:46:03.900 And they're like, 02:46:04.899 --> 02:46:06.060 who and Dave's like, 02:46:06.160 --> 02:46:06.560 this is that, 02:46:06.780 --> 02:46:06.880 you know, 02:46:07.040 --> 02:46:11.620 my other band that it's doing real well or whatever. 02:46:12.580 --> 02:46:13.500 They're good dudes. 02:46:14.660 --> 02:46:14.860 Actually, 02:46:14.880 --> 02:46:19.000 I gave them baseball tickets when they were recording their last album here in Colorado and they were stoked. 02:46:19.540 --> 02:46:20.160 Other baseball guys? 02:46:21.060 --> 02:46:24.560 Not as much as they wanted to do something other than hang out at Dave's house. 02:46:25.220 --> 02:46:25.280 Well, 02:46:25.400 --> 02:46:26.560 they're in San Diego, 02:46:26.760 --> 02:46:26.840 right? 02:46:27.440 --> 02:46:27.540 Yeah. 02:46:27.900 --> 02:46:28.020 Yeah. 02:46:28.220 --> 02:46:29.500 The one or they don't care about baseball. 02:46:33.739 --> 02:46:59.580 I got the joke, Jay. Thank you, John. I don't, but I'm laughing anyway. Yeah, go with it, man. So what do you think of the people doing online live shows like the enslaved one that just happened recently? I think that it's great that we're finding ways to still create and share it with people. The enslaved one made me laugh because it was very 02:46:59.620 --> 02:47:29.580 well produced but if you pay attention they were all about six feet away from each other so it's like they were playing by the rules but they almost seemed like they weren't um you know what else was funny is that they commented in between songs they're like well thank you very much and they kind of realized there was nobody stage banter and it was so good i'm first laughing every time but you guys know those guys at least somewhat well yeah yeah they're they're buddies of ours um 02:47:29.600 --> 02:47:59.580 I think it's great I like I mentioned before we got started Phil and I have been trying to figure out how to make that sort of thing happen with the like remote collaboration in real time and unfortunately there aren't a lot of good options for bands like I've seen some bands that are like sort of breaking the rules like getting together at you know a studio whatever to do stuff but we don't even that's not even an option here in Colorado and so we've tried to figure out like a real time you know like 02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:29.580 a video-audio-share sort of thing, and it has just failed miserably every time we've tried to do it. Most recently, we tried Zoom, and the delay between when one of us would hear something and the other one was more than a second, so that wasn't going to happen. On the other hand, if your songs worked in the round, like Row, Row, Row, your boat would be kind of cool, but yeah, not going to work. Is there a facility where you practice actually padlocked, quote-unquote, I'm not making up that word, but is it literally 02:48:29.620 --> 02:48:58.440 Shutdown, that place? No, it's open. Believe it or not. It shouldn't be probably, but they're not closing it. And I guess it's because people pay rent in those spaces and that those individual spaces are theirs. I happen to go there to pay rent and to pick up my very essential last base to complete my display back here. And there was a big sign and the guy who runs the facility was like, we're not shutting it down. 02:48:59.080 --> 02:49:03.060 You know, 02:49:29.841 --> 02:49:59.060 I know we're kind of getting close to that hour mark but one thing I wanted to ask you guys is one do you kind of now regret having a song called isolation on the last album because you really want to put it on this album and is this whole experience going to like kind of like change maybe like is it going to be inspire a lyrical content Phil I don't know I mean I don't I don't think so it doesn't it doesn't like it's 02:49:59.080 --> 02:50:28.180 Certainly, everything that's happening in our lives is going to influence what's happening on the next album, but it's impossible to say what form that might take, you know, right now. And usually, like, stuff like the lyrics is, like, one of the last things that comes together before we go into the studio. So, you know, this isn't going to be the present mindset that we sort of have when we're doing that. So I would say probably not, but, you know, who knows? It couldn't be anything like being alone. 02:50:28.860 --> 02:50:56.680 and maybe be sick or something. It'd be too obvious, I think. If anything, I could absolutely see the sort of, you know, being a few months down the road and having a greater sense of, like, gratitude and appreciation for stuff. Like, we're not going to release an upbeat pop punk album or anything, but I could see that level of awareness and gratitude manifesting in at least the vibe, if not in a more specific manner, like with the lyrics and stuff. Yeah, I think that's a good point. 02:50:58.860 --> 02:51:28.840 It's definitely making me reevaluate sort of like how much I value live music and it's like sharing this experience with people like I think probably what's going to happen is once people get back to sort of a more normal routine about this people are going to be so much more interested in going to concerts than they were before like people are going to be so much less burnt out on this being like the norm that they have access to all the time. I think people are going to be really grateful like Ben said for the ability to get together and 02:51:28.860 --> 02:51:58.241 you know it might sort of like inspire people to have a greater sort of connection in their communities and and through things like music and food and culture in a way that we were sort of like lacking before because it was just taken for granted so much and i would hope that that is something that that comes to pass from this i uh that was positive positively presidential man comparatively speaking to the current situation but i mean yeah nicely done i was actually excited to go outside and do yard work 02:51:59.739 --> 02:52:27.700 I was like, I hate yard work, but it's nice out here. I have a funny story. I was out. I have terrible allergies. And I, and I, it's so right now I'm every day. I'm like coronavirus or allergies. I'm it's allergies. But I walked out of my house the other morning and I was coughing really loud. Cause like I had this post nasal drip and I shit you. Not some guy down the road, shut it. Fuck you. It's fucking awesome. I agree with that. 02:52:28.260 --> 02:52:57.620 Yeah, exactly. A lot of compassion coming out of this. Hey, Zach, I wanted to ask you, how's True Brewing doing? We're still operating, and we're not out of business, so that's about where it's at. Are you putting more stuff into bottles and cans rather than kegs at this point? Yeah, so we can still settle to go. 02:52:58.260 --> 02:53:28.220 deemed essential and I think that looks to be the case from across the country more or less for most states for breweries but we bought a canning line last year so which is really good timing so now we're canning everything so we can sell that to go and it's been moving at a steady pace it's just hard because the margins on packaged beer are so much worse than what we can sell across the bar 02:53:28.260 --> 02:53:58.080 Even though we are moving a solid volume of beer, we're still making a lot less money. So it's just we're doing everything we can to make it work. And so far, we haven't had to lay anybody off. We are hoping to get some money through SBA loans coming in. If that doesn't happen sooner than later, we might have to, you know, we'll just see how it goes. Do you ship or anything? 02:53:58.260 --> 02:54:28.180 or can I buy a t-shirt at the website or anything like that? And or others. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, we don't ship beer across state lines, although we're looking to see what we can do. Um, we have a merch store though. And, uh, that, that definitely helps. Everything helps at this point. Um, but also don't worry state lines at this point, man, it's road warrior out there. I mean, it is, we can deliver directly to people's houses now, which is awesome. Uh, so we've been doing that and that's cool. That's, 02:54:28.260 --> 02:54:56.420 That's been helping out a lot. Yeah, Jen actually had some delivered just the other day. I knew that was the case because somebody told me that. They're like, I think I brought beer off to Ben's house. That's a badass label, too. Yeah, this is, I have only bought, since this happened, true beer. Oh, thank you. This is a cool label, and it's a nice beer, Zach. He's supporting you. You need him to design a bridge for you or anything, Zach? 02:55:00.101 --> 02:55:28.160 Yeah, I need clients too. It's weird with work. I thought about Zach, obviously, immediately when all of this went down. I mean, maybe my first thought was when we canceled the tour was Ben because unlike the rest of us, he probably counts on the band a little bit more as a source of income, and that was disastrous. But yeah, when we first got the message about what businesses were, 02:55:28.240 --> 02:55:58.200 I think initially breweries were not and then within like eight hours they changed it thankfully people rioted they fucking lost the mines they did the weed shops too they were like you cannot shut down weed shops that were the best way to keep people at home let them drink beers and get hammered at home yeah that was a terrible day because we thought we were screwed 02:55:58.720 --> 02:56:28.080 Yeah. You like texted us. You're like, well, it's all over guys. Yeah. It was like, man, I'm coming to live in your garage. Yes. Bill's already living in the trailer. Yeah. But I mean, at least we got one, we got like one logical thought of this, you know, that beer and alcohol is deemed essential. Exactly. It was the same thing here. I probably ordered like two, $300 worth of alcohol because I thought once we had our shelter in place that that was going to go away and they're like, oh yeah, no, that's totally going to be open. I'm like, 02:56:28.240 --> 02:56:55.380 Well, I'm good for a while. I've had a few breweries delivered to my house, and I have a list of a few that I'll either take advantage of the delivery or the curbside because, I mean, it's a fucking no-brainer. I mean, the fact that it doesn't cost me any more to have it delivered or just to go pick it up to get quality beer. And you're helping them out. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, you want the beer, you know. Yeah. Having that support has just been awesome. I mean, it really has. 02:56:57.340 --> 02:57:26.960 It's a whole thing though, to your point. We didn't know. At first we thought we were going to have to shut down and then we were told we could stay open. We feel like we don't know if it's going to change every day. Nothing feels particularly stable. It just feels really crazy right now. Also, brewing beer with not necessarily knowing that it's going anywhere. You can't just keep on making beer. 02:57:27.020 --> 02:57:56.820 if there's no one buying it. And I know your tap room and other bars were a big part of that business. So that's why I've been buying true cans. Although I hadn't seen this one until the other day when I ventured out in my mask and rubber gloves to get a beer, honestly, for this show. I was like, oh, I need a beer for this show. It's nice to know that people make plans. Does that make it easier to talk to us? Is that what you're saying? No, I think the first two times I was on, 02:57:57.000 --> 02:58:26.980 It was like, what are you drinking and why? It was like a segment of every... I think the first time you guys were on, we drank a lot of beer that night. We drank a lot of beer. We drank a lot of beer that night. The first time I was on, I was only going to do the first third of the show and I got so licked that I was like, let's do it. And my wife brought me a box of red wine and a bottle of whiskey and I was just like, yeah, I'm just going to yell over everybody for two and a half more hours. What is it with you guys every time we either see you or 02:58:27.040 --> 02:58:54.640 We're always drinking a lot of beer. That's just how it is, man. Except for me, because it's too early to drink here in Hawaii. Ben's drinking NA beer if it makes you feel better. Ben's on the permanent wagon. I did put a little coffee rum in my coffee, so I spiked it a little. 02:58:57.040 --> 02:59:26.940 I drank enough last night for this one. I've been on the wagon under doctor's orders for, uh, for what? Three weeks now. Oh, really? How is that fit burger, non-alcohol beer? It's pretty good, man. Like, so even when I was drinking, um, slash drinking a lot, um, I was more of a liquor guy than I was a beer guy, but this is a pretty tasty, it's my favorite NA beer I've had, which is, I've only had like four so far. Um, but I actually thought the Heineken one. 02:59:28.440 --> 02:59:54.940 The Heineken one is pretty good. I just was never a huge Heineken fan to be honest. It's weird because it tastes almost just like Heineken. It tastes like a scum's ass. Apparently Budweiser either now has or is about to have a Bud Heavy NA, which sounds horrible to me, but I'm still curious about it. No, Bitburger's good though. If you're craving the taste of beer, 02:59:57.000 --> 02:59:58.980 like me and you don't drink or you just you're not allowed to drink 02:59:59.860 --> 03:00:02.500 that's a good way to go all the calories none of the fun 03:00:03.220 --> 03:00:03.620 oh yeah 03:00:06.939 --> 03:00:09.100 did you make that up Ben or did you hear that from 03:00:09.480 --> 03:00:10.680 Reed are you working 03:00:10.960 --> 03:00:13.180 I thought I made it up maybe I heard 03:00:13.240 --> 03:00:14.200 Reed said I don't know 03:00:14.800 --> 03:00:17.200 Reed Bremer you guys I don't know if you guys know the band 03:00:17.340 --> 03:00:18.740 Speed Wolf yeah um 03:00:18.980 --> 03:00:20.860 but we used to do a lot of motorcycle trips and 03:00:21.160 --> 03:00:23.100 he was sober for a long time 03:00:23.640 --> 03:00:25.181 and uh I remember 03:00:25.699 --> 03:00:29.760 We were just having a great time on the beach. A couple of my other friends and I 03:00:30.040 --> 03:00:33.320 drinking and riding motorcycles when we weren't drinking. 03:00:34.939 --> 03:00:42.520 But finally, Reed walks into a liquor store in Long Beach or something, 03:00:42.640 --> 03:00:46.720 and I'm like, whoa, shit. Reed's going off the wagon. 03:00:47.460 --> 03:00:52.080 It was this big moment. We're standing outside, and he comes out with a six-pack of St. Paulie's girl, 03:00:52.100 --> 03:01:21.420 And he says that exact same thing, Ben. He's like, all the calories, none of the fun. What kind of bike do you got, Dan? I have a 73 Harley chopper. Damn. Yeah. One break, lots of horsepower. It's a death trap. Sounds like it. As if your life wasn't risky enough right now. And Reed now has, he lives in New York now, and he bought this really cool, 03:01:23.299 --> 03:01:51.680 80s FXR, almost like it was rolled off the showroom floor condition. And he just sent me a text message. He just hopped it up performance-wise. So I just picture Reed flying around the streets in New York with his hair down to his ass and just being insane. That thing is sweet, man. That thing is sweet. He scored with that bike. Totally did. He sold the truck that I gave him for a down payment. 03:01:53.619 --> 03:02:21.940 You gave him a truck and then he sold it for money? He sold it for a motorcycle, which is totally fine. If it were anything else, he knows it would not be cool, but he didn't even ask. He's like, Danny's totally going to let me buy this motorcycle with his truck. That's fantastic. Did you guys do a top five quarantine albums? Oh, I did not. I didn't either. I didn't know we were doing that. 03:02:22.120 --> 03:02:50.580 Not you. Well, actually, you haven't been. We did it on an episode already. We've been asking everybody else. Oh, excuse me. You haven't been on any of these. Okay. Did I send that to you, Phil? Did I forget to send that to you? You did. So we'll drop the ball. Why don't you just repeat what your favorite D.O. record is? We'll just assume it was the D.O. record. Or we could just go with, if you had to pick one album that you could only listen to in quarantine, what would it be? 03:02:52.500 --> 03:03:22.080 Seasons of the Abyss. I think that's a good one. That's some good songs for this. Which, by the way, I've been listening to a butt-ton of Slayer during this, for whatever reason. I'm walking. Every day I walk like six miles and headphones on. I've been listening to Slayer and King Diamond, whole catalogs. In any case, let's get some other answers. I was stalling for you so you could think about it. Sorry, mine came too fast. I'll go in the exact opposite direction. I'll go with John Prine's 03:03:22.120 --> 03:03:22.520 Self-Titled. 03:03:23.300 --> 03:03:24.280 Oh, so sad. 03:03:24.600 --> 03:03:25.200 What a great record. 03:03:25.340 --> 03:03:29.680 Yeah, I mean, it does make me sad, but I have so many good memories connected to that album. 03:03:30.200 --> 03:03:38.840 Listening to it with my dad, listening to it with you guys in the van, that any sadness is canceled out by all the good memories and good associations. 03:03:40.360 --> 03:03:41.440 It's so fucking good, Ben. 03:03:41.480 --> 03:03:48.340 And the first time I really paid a lot of attention to it, other than a couple of the songs, was when we listened to it in the van. 03:03:48.340 --> 03:03:49.540 And I remember actually, 03:03:50.890 --> 03:03:51.560 this is years ago, 03:03:51.780 --> 03:03:51.840 right? 03:03:51.960 --> 03:03:53.240 Getting on disc cogs and being like, 03:03:53.320 --> 03:03:54.160 I need to own that record. 03:03:55.020 --> 03:03:55.240 And, 03:03:55.340 --> 03:03:55.560 uh, 03:03:55.840 --> 03:03:56.820 it's so fucking, 03:03:57.010 --> 03:03:57.300 it was, 03:03:57.480 --> 03:04:00.080 even then it was super hard to get and very expensive. 03:04:01.080 --> 03:04:01.280 Um, 03:04:01.400 --> 03:04:07.820 and I happen to look like a lot of opportunistic assholes do when someone passes away. 03:04:08.480 --> 03:04:08.620 Um, 03:04:08.700 --> 03:04:12.320 and it's like 400 bucks to get a copy of that record right now. 03:04:13.380 --> 03:04:13.820 Also, 03:04:13.890 --> 03:04:15.240 but it's an ironic choice too, 03:04:15.300 --> 03:04:43.400 since he toured with Slayer on the Seasons in the Abyss tour. So that was a good choice there, man. Yeah, yeah. That was such a dream package, man. It lasted about a week. Okay, sorry. Anybody else? I just know, like, I can just name stuff I've been listening to. I don't know. I've been listening to The Eternal Resonance by Swebin. Yes. 03:04:46.261 --> 03:05:13.680 Is it good? It's awesome. And it's weird and fairly epic in scope. There's just a lot going on, so that's why I'm talking about that one. That's some good entertainment for a while. Is that their newest one? Yeah, it's the project after Morbiscron. So it's a new thing. It's got a different feel. I mean, it's like a continuation. 03:05:14.820 --> 03:05:15.740 But it's awesome. 03:05:16.260 --> 03:05:19.200 A lot of people have been talking about it, and I put it on. 03:05:19.440 --> 03:05:20.540 Maybe I had to give it another shot. 03:05:20.660 --> 03:05:23.940 It just hit me in a weird way, and I was just like, this is fine. 03:05:24.030 --> 03:05:24.540 But I don't know. 03:05:24.590 --> 03:05:30.920 It just felt less immediate to me, I guess, than I expected. 03:05:31.220 --> 03:05:32.600 Because everyone's like, it's so unrelenting. 03:05:32.780 --> 03:05:33.200 It's like, I don't know. 03:05:33.200 --> 03:05:34.200 It feels kind of like... 03:05:34.800 --> 03:05:35.180 This one? 03:05:35.300 --> 03:05:35.520 No. 03:05:36.859 --> 03:05:38.020 Maybe it needs to be in quarantine. 03:05:39.319 --> 03:05:39.880 It's not. 03:05:39.980 --> 03:05:41.560 I would not describe it as unrelenting. 03:05:42.440 --> 03:05:42.980 No, not at all. 03:05:43.240 --> 03:05:43.360 Yeah. 03:05:43.800 --> 03:05:44.080 Yeah. 03:05:44.410 --> 03:05:44.480 Yeah. 03:05:46.140 --> 03:06:14.520 It's mellow at times. You're the only one who's really done this practice correctly, Zach, because we are kind of in quarantine and you named the record you're listening to. You actually got it right. Everybody else is like, well, what would I listen to? Well, what are you listening to? Most people that we've talked to have mostly listed stuff that they're currently listening to because it's like, you know, quarantine, you know, two weeks, a month, you know, so what have I bought recently that I really want to dig my teeth and sink my teeth into? 03:06:14.580 --> 03:06:43.800 Well, that leaves Phil. I mean, fuck. I don't know. I haven't really been listening to that much metal, but I have been listening to this guy, Terry Allen, a lot, who's like a Texas songwriter. And I also have been listening to the first album by The Weeknd a lot, who's like a pop singer guy. You might know him as Weeknd-y. Yeah, he needs to buy a vowel. 03:06:44.560 --> 03:07:14.260 Yeah, it is. But his first album is really fucking good. I don't know. I would maybe pick like the last Andrew WK album, You're Not Alone, because I feel like I need like some lifting up sometimes in these dark days. And that album like always gets me going and like makes me want to like punch my fists around the house and like chug beer and shit. So I'm going to go with Andrew WK on this one. 03:07:14.560 --> 03:07:44.200 My boy. Shotgun. Do you guys have any tips for avoiding going stir crazy? Yeah, I think one thing is working every day. Having a thing that you do every day or something that you check on every day is one thing that's been keeping me sane. I've just been journaling. At this point, it's just like watching fucking paint dry. 03:07:44.580 --> 03:07:49.920 what's in there but it's still something to do every day yeah that's cool i i said work 03:07:50.120 --> 03:07:54.000 because i've been working like it's kind of funny because we touched on who's working and whatever 03:07:54.680 --> 03:08:00.700 i had a bunch of like projects in my backlog that are gone like i have i have no work after this 03:08:00.900 --> 03:08:09.221 project that i'm on but for whatever reason this project is insane and uh construction in um denver at 03:08:09.240 --> 03:08:38.920 is still going on necessary business or something luckily for me. So there's all these people with all this money and time invested in this particular project that I'm working on. And they're just like trying to get it done before they get shut down, I guess, more or less. So I've been working like a minimum of 60 hours a week. Damn. Since for like this going on week four or five now, four, I guess. I might have just finished week four of that. So what's really, 03:08:39.220 --> 03:09:09.140 What's fucking crazy about it is at first I didn't even notice that I was not doing anything or whatever because I couldn't do anything anyway. Like I eat dinner with the family, come back down, I work until 11 o'clock and, you know, midnight go to bed. What I really do is I work until like 11 o'clock, have four beers and watch some shit on Netflix and then go to bed late and then, you know, and then do it all over. But yeah, so work has been honestly, 03:09:09.220 --> 03:09:39.020 I hate to say it, but it's been like the thing for me that has kept me like, I didn't have to work today for the first weekend since this all went down. And I was like, fuck, what am I going to do? I think I have this podcast and I can drink beer in the middle of the day for no reason. And that's not available to everyone. So that's maybe a bad, a bad one, but that's what I've been doing. I've just been working my ass off while I still can. I met by May. 03:09:40.020 --> 03:10:09.020 First, I should be unemployed. Staring at the ceiling like everybody else, yeah. I've just been like, like Zach said, like trying to have a routine is really important. I've been trying to exercise a lot. Like I ride a stationary bike every day for like an hour or two hours. And another thing that's been really good is just like trying to find something every day that I'm doing just for myself that I enjoy. Whether that's like, 03:10:09.220 --> 03:10:35.780 reading a book or going on like a long walk or, you know, playing some music or whatever. Something that like makes me feel like I'm not just taking care of myself by staying home and like isolating myself, but like I'm like mentally taking care of myself by doing something that like I'm choosing to do that is still responsible enough and, you know, not like endangering other people and shit. 03:10:37.100 --> 03:11:06.800 That's why I'm doing these episodes, because my idea was, hey, let's reach out to everybody we know and just see how everybody's doing and put out a little extra content, because usually we only end up doing one episode a month because everybody schedules, but with everybody home, it's a lot easier. We're free. Yeah. I bought a rowing machine myself. So here's the thing for you, though. Put on a monomarth, close your eyes, and do a rowing machine. You're fucking invading me. Yeah, that sounds awesome. 03:11:08.300 --> 03:11:09.260 I've really done that. 03:11:09.460 --> 03:11:09.840 You're where? 03:11:10.000 --> 03:11:10.960 No, that sounds amazing. 03:11:11.380 --> 03:11:11.580 England? 03:11:12.239 --> 03:11:12.900 I'm into that. 03:11:13.040 --> 03:11:15.280 I just got this rowing machine here. 03:11:16.180 --> 03:11:16.680 Oh, yeah. 03:11:17.520 --> 03:11:20.780 I'll put on some enslaved or something, man, and I'm fucking crossing the channel, bro. 03:11:21.240 --> 03:11:21.900 Oh, I love it. 03:11:22.180 --> 03:11:22.840 Close your eyes. 03:11:23.720 --> 03:11:25.380 I assume you won the battle, Jack. 03:11:26.140 --> 03:11:26.500 He's here. 03:11:26.560 --> 03:11:28.280 Many times over, sir, I'm rowing every day. 03:11:29.159 --> 03:11:30.520 He didn't even get out of the boat. 03:11:30.590 --> 03:11:33.200 He got shot down by an air throw before he even got out. 03:11:34.180 --> 03:11:35.980 I rowed all the way there, though. 03:11:36.840 --> 03:12:06.660 When I stepped on Ben, perhaps you had some blended isolation. Oh, I mean, it's routine is definitely important. I'm getting up and meditating every morning. And I feel like none of our answers are particularly metal, which I think encapsulates this band pretty well. Meditating every morning, trying to do exercise, and having weekly routines as well. So I have a check-in with my therapist every week, which for those of us that have mental health issues, 03:12:06.860 --> 03:12:36.820 I think is definitely a thing that people should remember they can do. Your therapist can probably do telehealth or some other kind of app to check in with you. Isolation can be really devastating for people with mental illness of any sort. Routine, checking in with people. Honestly, this kind of video call stuff that I'm so comedically bad at, I didn't realize how out of touch I'd gotten with technology until I started trying to have 03:12:36.880 --> 03:12:38.060 Skype calls and Zoom calls. 03:12:40.199 --> 03:12:43.080 I love this, because you're the most tech-savvy guy in the band. 03:12:43.710 --> 03:12:46.040 Dude, I used to work in IT. 03:12:46.430 --> 03:12:46.860 It's crazy. 03:12:48.439 --> 03:12:53.440 And being out of the game for just a few years, well, actually, I guess 10 years at this point, which is not just a few. 03:12:54.020 --> 03:12:59.420 But even basic things like troubleshooting are now so much harder for me than they used to be. 03:13:01.640 --> 03:13:04.220 So there's been a bit of a learning curve for how to do that. 03:13:05.800 --> 03:13:32.140 At the same time, just seeing your friends, seeing your bandmates, all of those little things come together to produce a fairly full, satisfying day. And also going outside in a respectful, reasonable way. But our dog needs to be walked twice a day. So mask up, gloves on, take her on a walk, avoid everyone else. But getting some sunlight, getting some exercise. 03:13:35.840 --> 03:13:37.480 that there's a world outside of these four walls. 03:13:38.500 --> 03:13:40.280 I saw on the news this morning. 03:13:40.560 --> 03:13:41.940 Yeah, I saw on the news this morning. 03:13:42.000 --> 03:13:43.180 It's supposed to be snowing in Denver. 03:13:43.340 --> 03:13:44.120 Is it snowing? 03:13:44.600 --> 03:13:46.500 It's 29 degrees. 03:13:46.750 --> 03:13:47.640 It was like 80 degrees. 03:13:48.900 --> 03:13:50.480 It was like 80 degrees yesterday. 03:13:50.980 --> 03:13:54.340 I was wearing a tank top and short shorts. 03:13:54.740 --> 03:13:57.140 And I was walking around for like an hour. 03:13:57.659 --> 03:13:59.220 And I got a fucking sunburn. 03:13:59.899 --> 03:14:04.220 I got a fucking sunburn on my shoulders because of it. 03:14:04.300 --> 03:14:34.060 And now today it's like 20 degrees outside and it's snowy. It's fucking weird. I really don't want to just gloss over this tank top and short, short, short, short. I was not surprising. It's the coldest zombie Jesus day in 90 years in Colorado I read today. So, yeah, it's like 30 degrees. That's crazy, man. Yeah. Well, and to be fair, with Phil and his tank tops and his short shorts, 03:14:34.300 --> 03:15:03.860 It also goes back to the question about what are we doing for money during these trying times? Phil's auditioning for some cam websites. That was back, wasn't it? Yeah, it was my idea because when I thought the brewery was going under, I was like, well. I thought it was such a casual comment. It was sort of like, well, I was outside in my backyard in my gold-made thong yesterday. And anyway, it's just like threw it out there. It's good stuff. I mean, we've been with Phil on the road. 03:15:04.280 --> 03:15:32.420 At this point for us, none of that surprising at all. Do you wear tube socks with the short shorts? Absolutely. They're goofy socks. They have to be fun socks or else they're not going on my body. Yeah, that is your thing. That is your thing. All right. Any other questions, fellas? No, not for me. I would just say this. I love talking to you guys. You guys are a lot of fun. I just wish I liked your band. 03:15:36.020 --> 03:16:00.120 Maybe I'll come around on the next one, Jay. I'm already there, but we'll see how high we can get you up the list. It's just, I so enjoy seeing and talking to you guys every time we do it. And it's, it's been kind of numerous times now. So this has been a real treat. I do remember Jay, the first time we got on the, Zach and I came on the show. Um, I had listened to it a couple of times to like prepare and you dogged us, man. 03:16:04.300 --> 03:16:04.800 some bullshit. 03:16:08.739 --> 03:16:09.880 I have to say, guys. 03:16:10.500 --> 03:16:11.580 I've already called you out. 03:16:12.239 --> 03:16:12.980 I've already called you out. 03:16:13.340 --> 03:16:15.500 I think I'm going to introduce you to the show. 03:16:15.680 --> 03:16:17.480 I was like, you guys got to check these guys out. 03:16:17.640 --> 03:16:21.960 And then secondarily, here's my new theory is that everybody needs an enemy. 03:16:22.070 --> 03:16:23.600 And everybody loves you so much, man. 03:16:23.610 --> 03:16:24.340 So I just can't. 03:16:24.739 --> 03:16:26.660 I've got to be the spoiler. 03:16:26.920 --> 03:16:27.500 The nemesis. 03:16:27.550 --> 03:16:28.200 Hey, that's all right. 03:16:28.300 --> 03:16:28.780 That's all right. 03:16:28.940 --> 03:16:30.180 You can't trust people like that. 03:16:30.720 --> 03:16:31.920 Hey, I have to say real quick. 03:16:32.070 --> 03:16:33.560 I appreciate on your last tour. 03:16:33.920 --> 03:17:01.860 I told a bunch of friends who saw you guys to ask you specifically, hey, do you have a message for Jay? And I can't tell you how many got back to me and said, man, that was pretty rough what they were saying about Jay. Some of those people are good friends of mine, too. I remember that. Yeah. I think my friend TR saw you guys. I think Zach, he asked you, and you just let out a brutal one. I was like, yes. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. I like this. This is a good relationship. I enjoyed it. 03:17:03.920 --> 03:17:32.100 I don't feel any better about Jay's musical taste. He, on his year-end list for 2019, he put on Rammstein and the Hollywood Vampire. So, you know what? This taste is crap anyway. You're right. No, no, no. I like that new Rammstein, but I'm not with you on the Hollywood Vampire. I don't fucking know. Well, Johnny Depp does the damage, but Alice Cooper is worth it for Alice. But I will say this. We all have a mutual love of Fandango, so there you go. Yes. 03:17:33.920 --> 03:17:38.160 It's great talking to you guys. It's been years at this point that we've been able to 03:17:39.180 --> 03:17:42.800 have a relationship and continue catching up with each other. So it's awesome, man. 03:17:43.080 --> 03:17:44.860 It is. It is a lot of fun. 03:17:44.940 --> 03:17:53.160 My first time talking to you guys on the podcast and it's really spirit lifting to talk to your favorite band. You guys are my all-time favorite band right now. 03:17:56.760 --> 03:18:00.980 Thanks for letting my daughter talk to you because she literally loves you guys. 03:18:01.300 --> 03:18:02.320 And every time we say, 03:18:03.060 --> 03:18:04.380 all right, guys, we're going to go cook something, 03:18:04.520 --> 03:18:05.220 go grab a record. 03:18:05.320 --> 03:18:07.740 She grabs Desolation every single time. 03:18:09.100 --> 03:18:13.520 It's almost annoying if it wasn't my favorite album last year. 03:18:15.020 --> 03:18:15.620 Thanks, man. 03:18:16.840 --> 03:18:18.460 Hey, guys, we're grateful for you taking the time, 03:18:18.490 --> 03:18:21.560 but also I do want to say we're exceedingly glad that you're all well. 03:18:22.020 --> 03:18:23.140 And I'd like to meet that. 03:18:24.339 --> 03:18:26.800 Stay safe and keep following the rules and all that shit. 03:18:27.960 --> 03:18:28.820 Same with you guys. 03:18:29.820 --> 03:18:59.760 And everybody should go out and pick up some stuff to support the band and True Brewing. I just picked up two shirts, by the way, so I'm doing my part. I'm going to do the same, and if any beers fall into that shipping box, I will report it. I won't. We can't get anything. Nobody ships to Maryland, you know? Yeah, I wish. Yeah, but... Damage's on there. Yeah, so go up to Bandcamp or wherever and pick up some stuff. Awesome. All right, ladies and gentlemen, the Mighty Mighty Chemists. Thank you for coming on, guys. 03:18:59.820 --> 03:19:10.180 Thank you guys. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks guys. We'll talk to you later. And yeah. All right. All right. Have a good one everybody. Cheers guys. See your faces. Yeah. 03:19:53.880 --> 03:19:55.740 I got nothing. 03:20:10.560 --> 03:20:19.360 Субтитры создавал DimaTorzok