WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.100 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go! 00:00:26.180 --> 00:00:27.820 You must listen. 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:30.020 You must listen. 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:32.419 You must listen. 00:00:36.380 --> 00:00:38.620 Now, here is the podcast. 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:40.400 Metalheads Podcast Go. 00:00:40.680 --> 00:00:42.000 Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. 00:00:42.260 --> 00:00:43.220 My name is George. 00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:44.340 This is Jay. 00:00:44.780 --> 00:00:45.180 This is Will. 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:46.480 This is John. 00:00:47.120 --> 00:00:48.060 This is Markisan. 00:00:48.660 --> 00:00:51.980 And we are joined today by listener Steve McDowell. 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:53.040 Welcome, Steve. 00:00:53.800 --> 00:00:54.560 Hey, how's it going, guys? 00:00:54.660 --> 00:01:24.260 We do have to acknowledge that we are missing a member. He may join us later. Just a shout out to Matt in case he doesn't make it back in time to get on. Yes, he has. He has given me his Thunderdome choice. Should he not make it on by then? Nice. So, yeah, and you should hold that to the end to see if he's a determining factor. Yeah, so be seven of us. Yeah, that's true. And if you don't like it, say, eh, he didn't pick either album. No, I'll just make it whatever I want. And then, you know, he he he can't go against that, right? 00:01:27.540 --> 00:01:54.620 It was something with an X and a V and like a bunch of vowels. So anyway, Steve, welcome. Where are you located in the country? I'm originally from Chicago and I moved to Woodstock, Illinois, maybe almost six years ago now. So it's, I guess if you're looking at like Chicago in the city, 00:01:54.680 --> 00:02:21.680 It's as far as the train goes. I'm one stop from the very last stop. So it's probably about an hour from Chicago. Okay. Cool. Mark San used to live there. Well, Chicago. Yeah, almost 20 years. Does that ring a bell? The area, I mean, that he's talking about? Oh, yeah. Okay. Cool. So, Steve, I hear you like metal. 00:02:26.500 --> 00:02:54.640 I am I grew up in a Jehovah's Witness household during the whole PMRC thing and it was you know pretty much my my first album I bought I was six years old and it was a live Motorhead album and it freaked my parents out and then ever since then I would buy an album because my grandparents were these well my grandfather was a contractor in Chicago 00:02:54.700 --> 00:03:24.600 and he hated the whole Joe was witness thing. So he would take me into Rolling Stone records and I would buy merciful fake King diamond albums and then slip them under my bed. And then, you know, as soon as I bought them, my parents would break them. So yeah, I want to hug you. I want to hug you so bad right now, dude. What is, um, it sounds like a lot like the rest of us, except it was porn mags. Hey, what was, um, what was the live motorhead album? Oh God. I got to remember. 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:54.640 What year was it roughly? On 40, so that would be... Was it... So it might have... It could easily have been either No Sleep Till Hammersmith or it could have been like the next thing. Somewhere around 1986. Yep, No Sleep Till Hammersmith. Cool. That's a good one. Yeah, you know, I had a friend whose mom was Jehovah's Witness in high school and she would... Any of his music that... 00:03:54.660 --> 00:03:56.200 she would throw out. 00:03:57.040 --> 00:04:00.260 And so being the 80s, we were still in cassettes, 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.980 and his mom had drawers full of Bible tapes. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:07.400 Yeah. 00:04:08.060 --> 00:04:11.540 And so he would steal these and give them to me, 00:04:11.620 --> 00:04:14.380 and then I would tape metal albums over top of them. 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:17.799 And so they were camouflaged when he would take them back into the house, 00:04:18.299 --> 00:04:20.500 and she'd be so happy that he was listening to this stuff. 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:22.480 And as far as I know, she never caught on to that. 00:04:23.940 --> 00:04:52.760 Yeah, and it was weird, too, because my dad was actually a bass player in a lot of bands in Chicago, and he played in, like, progressive, what would be deemed progressive rock at the time, King Crimson, yes, you know, type stuff, and, you know, he was long-haired metalhead, had all the Sabbath albums, and as I started buying, you know, all these albums, my mom made him go downstairs and break his Black Sabbath album, his Judas Priest album, so. Jesus. 00:04:53.080 --> 00:05:22.260 Yeah, it became a weird thing, you know, but, you know, I started playing in bands when I was about 10. You know, I started taking guitar lessons around eight. And then I think our first band, it was something fucking retarded. It was called Airwig. And it was just Jehovah's Witness kids that were kind of against the grain. And I remember when I was 12, we got busted with a large sack of marijuana. 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:52.280 And we got, all of us got grounded for the entire summer. You think at 12? I'm not a Jehovah's Witness and I would ground my kids for that. Yeah, for sure. I would too. But we all got way better at our instruments that summer. For sure. Yeah, and then from there, I just pretty much played in bands around Chicago most of my life until... 00:05:57.440 --> 00:06:21.980 Well, what's his name? I don't know how that works. This is the best story ever. It sounds like a Gus Van Zandt movie or something. So yeah, we played around Chicago quite a bit. I remember like Thirsty Whale, Smiler Coogans. In high school, I started a band called Osmodeus, which was, 00:06:22.300 --> 00:06:52.140 pretty much carcass worship. And, you know, we, you know, just played shitty bars. And at the same time, I, I was always in the, like the Jesus lizard shellac, you know, big black type stuff. So I had another band called Rom. We were on Quincy Shanks records that it was pretty much like Dillinger escape plan. If they weren't quite as good as their instruments and hadn't really bad equipment. Nice. Are you still playing Steve? Yeah. 00:06:52.300 --> 00:07:21.760 I'm still playing. I'm actually in my studio now. I, you know, just kind of pieced together. I took the storage room and started secretly just throwing boxes of shit out until I had enough space. And then my wife had no idea. She walked in here about a year ago. She's like, what the hell is this? I see the flying V behind you and what looks like a record player from when you were six years old. Yeah, this record player is kind of interesting because I, I, 00:07:22.320 --> 00:07:51.419 I took it apart and I built I kind of rebuilt it put a better speaker in it and put an input jack so you can put your bear on it and it spins around but it gets this really like I don't know like real dark country sound when you play I got a hollow body baritone and some you know weird delay pedals and it'll you know it sounds cool it's really cool but yeah that's actually a guitar amp that record player nice 00:07:52.260 --> 00:08:21.400 Yeah, you sent me a clip the other day. That sounded pretty cool. What was that all about? Well, I, you know, my best friend, Mike, who was making sure everything was okay down here because I was having an anxiety attack. Him and I just still write. So, you know, we, you know, it's, it's all plugins now. There's no re I still have my Marshall JCM 100 and all these amps around, but yeah, they 00:08:21.440 --> 00:08:51.180 sound good at like 10, 9 or 10. And, you know, so now it's just everything goes through a computer. Yeah. 11. Yeah. All my amps are for show. Oh, no, you've got it. You've got it. Now that yours has a master. Okay. I see. I get that joke now. You know, not my little Marshall that I, that we played through, but the ones down here in this room, they're just for show. But Eddie Van Halen was the creator of the, what do you call it? That government. He's like, you can, it's a, 00:08:51.420 --> 00:09:20.700 Power Suck. Yeah, no, no, no, but there's like a power plate, power suck that you can put in between your amp and your head so that you can completely soak the tubes, but less volume. He actually created that, and I don't know why I'm telling you that story, except to say that that's the only thing you can do with those Marshalls. They're just too fucking loud, man. To get them up to the right place, they're too loud. Yeah, the power block, because they sound like they don't sound very good unless they're cranked. No, only. Hey, Steve, since you play guitar, 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:48.280 and you're a musician and you're from Chicago. Do you have this pedal? This is the Bong Ripper Hail Satan Worship Doom Fuzzrocious pedal. I just got it the other day. The thing is fucking awesome. It actually makes me almost a good guitar player. I should get two or three of those then. I like when Will says Fuzzrocious. 00:09:50.960 --> 00:10:19.380 Almost as Voracious. Does that have an active boost too? Or is it strictly fuzz? No, no. It's super interesting because it's got distortion, it's got the gain boost, and then it's got the fuzz. And when you step on the fuzz button on this, it completely changes everything. And it is literally like... When you hit the fuzz button. Yeah. 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:48.980 It is super badass. And then you got the goat. And then when you plug it in, and if you touch each button, the eyes on the goat light up. My daughter has a very similar pedal. Your daughter plays the guitar? Yeah, she's got this one, which is the Fud Rosas Cat Demon, which is nine. 00:10:50.960 --> 00:11:20.320 Awesome thing they have for an idea. She's got, you can't see it behind. Well, maybe you can see it. That's her little orange amp back there. Mine's the Peavey on the ground. Oh, okay. Yeah. But I am not the guitar player in the, in the podcast. Jay clearly is. Yeah. Jay's really good. Yeah. I got one of these little tiny, what are they called? The micro terrors? Yeah. Those are cool. There's a Brent Hines, Brent Hines from Aston has a signature one now. Yeah. He's got a, like a dark terror. 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:23.540 I don't know how different it is from the regular one but 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:25.560 well it's one tiny tube but 00:11:25.860 --> 00:11:27.600 you know I've actually heard that bands 00:11:27.760 --> 00:11:29.480 are putting this in their backpack as a backup 00:11:29.740 --> 00:11:31.180 but this will power a 412 kit 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.640 I sometimes put George's tiny 00:11:33.760 --> 00:11:34.500 tube in my backpack 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:35.520 yeah 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:40.840 your back door you mean 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.460 my backyard zip line 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:44.400 you know what I mean 00:11:45.260 --> 00:11:46.360 13 minutes in 00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:49.559 yeah you know you gotta throw one of those jokes in there 00:11:49.580 --> 00:12:19.220 You gotta break the ice with Steve. Let him feel welcome as part of the crew. How many episodes have you listened to, Steve? Just how well do you know us? And how much therapy and pills are you taking as a result? Well, no. I'm not gonna lie. I do smoke pot later at night right before bed. It's a melatonin just to pass out. But no. No pills. Sorry, I was just making a joke. 00:12:19.560 --> 00:12:49.540 No, I gotcha. No, I've listened to every episode. Yeah, I actually look forward to when you guys put something out. I, you know, it's great because, you know, I'm an outside sales. Now it's, you know, I'm kind of in my studio working for the last couple months, but, you know, it's weird because you kind of become friends with people that you never met because you're listening to them. Well, I mean, you guys have a long, you know, extended play type podcast. So, yeah, I've probably spent a good 00:12:52.340 --> 00:13:19.040 I'm so sorry to hear that. But thank you for that as well. So one podcast is what you're saying. Right, yeah. That was like the year-end episode, right? How did you hear about us? I guess like everybody else, when you're a big metal fan, you're constantly researching albums and new bands that are coming out. And once you get into the podcast world, 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:49.540 if you look it up or try and find something that's decent to listen to and not just you know trendy or garbage you know you guys really stood out so you know I love you guys I'm a big fan of Mike Hill's podcast. But by the way thank you for saying that we stood out because we're trendy and garbage. I do appreciate that. That's not what he said. I like 00:13:49.560 --> 00:14:19.540 I noticed that you were actually friends with him on Facebook as well. I was like, oh, I wanted that explains that. And we've had Mike Hill on. Once we talked to him, I got to do the side by side shot. My hair is a little longer now, but my hair shorter. We are sometimes confused for each other. You're lucky to have hair. Yeah. This is my coronavirus haircut. Trust me. It is actually quite long, Jay. Believe it or not. I'm actually getting a 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:48.620 I got a little bit of some clippers. But when this is like, what, like if I sweat, well, it goes, like, I start looking like Christopher Walken. It goes straight up. I really wish you could do the voice. I can if I hear it, but not, not for very long. I can't pull it from out of my ass. No, you can pull out of your ass. Marty Freeman, not Marty Freeman. What's that guy's name? Marty Feldman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:14:57.900 --> 00:15:17.400 Obviously, this is an audio podcast, but the visual of Jay putting his shirt over his head like a hood and bugging his eyes out as hard as he can. All you need to know is just watch Young Frankenstein and you'll know exactly what we're talking about. I'll never get tired of that, Jay. 00:15:19.580 --> 00:15:46.780 Any girls in high school will. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So second most to the mustache. So Steve was that Motorhead album. Was that your gateway into metal? Or was that just your first purchase? Like, what got you into metal? Hmm. You know, honestly, oddly enough, my dad being just a huge vinyl fanatic growing up. 00:15:49.580 --> 00:16:19.340 really connected to it was kind of odd. It was Mahavishan Orchestra, Intermountain Flame. And, you know, it was just so raw. And, you know, the production on it was just so raw. And then, you know, the obvious Black Sabbath. And I know his favorite album, he actually has it framed still in his basement, was the first Captain Beyond album. You know, the one with the hologram on it. You know, so that and then, you know, the drummer, Bobby, 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:49.480 I started that band Armageddon which really drew me in. And then my dad was a construction worker and he found some blank TDK cassette tapes that he didn't know what was on them at all but he gave them to me and I just started kind of researching what these bands were. And it ended up, you know, there was metal on there but the thing that really struck me, I think at first it was, 00:16:51.040 --> 00:17:18.020 There was some early thrash on there, and then there was Naked Raygun, some Black Flag. I kind of took that angle in. Even my playing now is kind of a combination of Naked Raygun, Black Flag, and the Mahavishnu kind of progressive stuff. I'm a big Mahavishnu guy, dude. Do you follow John McLaughlin on Facebook, by any chance? 00:17:19.560 --> 00:17:49.540 No, you should. He's so fucking cool, dude. And he just does these little videos every day and he just plays and talks and stuff. And he's, he's the, he's exactly the Mahavish new John McLaughlin guy you expect him to be. He's wearing these loose cotton pants and no shoes and sitting cross legged and stuff is badass, dude. But he's still just God. He's so good. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, those first few albums are pretty priceless. And that along with like Lyric Oriel and, you know, like the live in San Fran's 00:17:49.580 --> 00:18:17.940 stuff with him and Paco De Lucia. That stuff is just straight shred. Acoustic guitar is just three guys that are phenomenal. From a songwriting perspective, I always thought that angle was really relevant. It turns out, look at Mastodon. They're using those same time signatures. I must have listened to Birds of Fire 8,000 times. 00:18:19.580 --> 00:18:48.380 And that was right when I was taking guitar lessons, too. So it was just sort of like, he's definitely a guitar player's guitar player. And they're all great. I mean, he's not the only reason that's a good band, but... Who are some of your... Go ahead, Steve. I would say aesthetically, you know, King Diamond was probably the first thing that... They would break my album, so I started buying cassette tapes, you know, and I had that yellow Sony Walkman that was waterproof. Yep. 00:18:51.460 --> 00:19:19.120 I just felt like shit was getting real. I'd be under my blanket like, man, I'm experiencing this completely alone because nobody else likes it. My parents are going to throw it away if they find it. It just kind of became a weird thing. Then there was a metal station in Chicago called WVVX. I don't know if you guys are familiar, Mark. It turned into Rebel Radio later. 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:49.100 I've never listened to radio except for like NPR. I always just listen to albums. Well, it was on from like 10 to 2 every night. And they actually did a live broadcast like Iron Maiden concerts. It sounded like total shit. It'd be exciting because it was like I'm going to the concert. I'm going to be under my blanket again pretending I'm asleep. But yeah, it was exciting. And I think that excitement is what propelled me to be at this age. 00:19:49.180 --> 00:20:19.120 and still be obsessive about new albums that are coming out. It's very special to me because it was always my own thing. Hey Steve, so you've talked a lot about how you've had to sneak around because your parents are Jehovah's Witnesses to listen to metal. Are they still Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they still... This is a weird fucking question because when... 00:20:20.020 --> 00:20:49.120 Okay, I was... We can break script right now and just say, like, if you don't want to talk about it, you don't have to talk about it. Yeah, that's fine. You definitely do not have to. No, no, no, it's cool. Will only asks weird questions, by the way, so you're going to want to get used to that. At least he hasn't taken his pants off yet. But I assume what you're saying is it's a weird answer, I think, is what we're getting ready for, but by all means, go with it. I will promise you there will be a weird answer to any questions like that, but... 00:20:49.140 --> 00:21:19.000 So when I was 18, my parents, so no birthdays, no Christmas, 18. My parents come downstairs. I lived in the basement. And, you know, it was just like concrete floor, just metal posters everywhere. At that point, nobody, you know, really wanted to deal with me. And they're like, we need to talk to you. And I'm like, all right. Do you have any weed? And I'm like, what? 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:49.020 And I busted out. I remember I had my. We'd underneath my couch in the middle of houses of the holy. And I handed it to him and I got high with my parents and that kind of broke him. And. Yeah. And then they actually left the church up until about a year ago. Somebody knocked on the door. My dad's not really going to make him friends. And, you know, he's getting older and it's kind of like a community that they gravitate towards. 00:21:50.380 --> 00:22:17.740 What the fuck? What led your parents to go, let's go see if he's got some weed? And where did that come about? I'm guessing those conversations were vast between them. That's interesting, man. Wow. Maybe it was a point of relation. Oh yeah, sure. I'll buy that. That makes sense. What can we do to connect? Your dad's probably like, I missed those Sabbath albums. I need them back. 00:22:20.020 --> 00:22:22.320 Well, that might have been his end of getting back to him. 00:22:25.300 --> 00:22:44.940 So, yeah, it could be. And I think growing up the way he did, you know, and like everybody, there's layers. But yeah, I you know, he always found his salice and playing in bands. And I think when things started going south with them in the church and I don't really know the whole story. 00:22:45.040 --> 00:23:11.420 But he immediately connected to being in a band and that kind of camaraderies. So I think that may have been part of it. I do find this. One of the reasons why I ask is I do find this interesting because later in life, my paternal grandfather became a Jehovah's Witness. And it was super weird going to their house for Christmas because he would just sit there in his chair and just look at us like we were evil. 00:23:12.800 --> 00:23:41.420 And then a different side of my family, cousins, like a whole bunch of cousins on my maternal side of the family became Jehovah's Witnesses. And, you know, interacting with them, it just, it became kind of just strange because one day they were just sort of just normal, your normal cousins. And the next day they were like, just different. It was, it was, I found, I find it fascinating in some ways. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:24:11.180 I have a friend whose parents are Jehovah's Witnesses. When he was growing up, he was a really good friend of mine, and he didn't really practice it. But it was just weird being in that house because he wanted to do all these other things, but he wasn't used to them. So I would throw him birthday parties and things just to show him a lot of their side of what life was like besides what his parents were teaching him. But he still, I feel like, hasn't quite adjusted to life because of everything he was taught growing up. 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:33.880 Yeah, I actually had my first birthday party because from one to three, I guess I had birthdays. I don't remember. But at 18, yeah, my friends got together and threw me a birthday party and they knew I was obsessed with the first Mr. Bungle album. And they actually got an artist to decorate the case, the cake with the, you know, that, that album cover. 00:24:34.600 --> 00:25:04.520 You know, there was Mr. Bungle right before we hit the lockdown. Did a one-album show here. And I don't remember which album it was because I didn't go. But Possessed opened for him. Which one was it? Well, now they're playing with Lombardo and Scott Ian. And they're doing the stuff from their high school demos. Oh, crazy. Crash covers. It's not at all like the Mr. Bungle that you would expect. Okay, well, that explains why Possessed opened for him. 00:25:04.580 --> 00:25:34.440 It was at the Fillmore here, which the Fillmore never has metal shows here in San Francisco anymore for, I don't know what reason, but that was one of the last shows that happened before lockdown. I feel like Dave Lombardo has become like the celebrity fill-in drummer now. You're like, yeah. Suicidal. He's got a long way to go before he catches up to Honest Grossman, though. I was just thinking that, John. That guy plays in my kitchen every Thursday night. But let's count him off. Well, what do you got? Suicidal, Misfits. 00:25:35.540 --> 00:25:36.580 Yeah, just recently, 00:25:36.910 --> 00:25:38.940 the two I was thinking of was Suicidal Misfits. 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:40.620 And then this other thing, apparently, 00:25:40.730 --> 00:25:41.520 the Mr. Bungle thing. 00:25:41.800 --> 00:25:41.900 Yeah. 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.300 He did the grip ink thing back in the day. 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.480 Yeah, that was like in between gigs with Slayer. 00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:48.900 Yeah. 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.420 Well, it's probably kind of natural 00:25:51.510 --> 00:25:54.320 because he was in Fantoma with, you know. 00:25:54.320 --> 00:25:54.800 Oh, I didn't know that. 00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:55.900 Yeah. 00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:56.580 Yeah. 00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:57.980 I mean, I should have known that. 00:25:58.150 --> 00:25:59.400 You know, I got to be honest with you. 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:00.620 I'm not a big Mike Patton fan, 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.240 and that's a pretty loaded question 00:26:03.550 --> 00:26:04.400 or pretty loaded statement. 00:26:04.520 --> 00:26:34.280 If you are, it's just something about them has never worked for me very well. I saw them once. I saw them on the first tour when they were getting ready, when they were breaking that tour, you know, with the MTV era, whatever it was. Epic. Is that the guy from Faith No More? Yeah. Yeah. And I will say this. I was blown away. I wasn't a Faith No More fan at the time. I used to work at a record store that was a ticket outlet. So the guy, the promoter would often just be like, you want a couple tickets? I'd be like, yeah. And I went and it was in a club that was too small. It was like, 00:26:34.520 --> 00:27:04.480 right at that time when a band should be moving on to the next level and is once they get new two dates and it was amazing dude it was so good i was blown away i must say i saw him a couple years ago was amazing oh that's right i like recent enough that i knew you i think because yeah it was like three two three years ago okay all right yeah so what do you like to do in chicago you know before the pandemic what are some of your favorite things to do there steve well in chicago 00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:10.140 I don't know I grew up going to the fireside bowl quite a bit you know which was cool 00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:34.480 because you could see anything from like macabre napalm death one day and then the next day it's just some crazy ass noise band you know so I would say that occupied a lot of my you know teen years into my 20s now I'm just you know I got restaurants that I like to go to like Mr. Brown Mr. Brown's lounge up on like Chicago and Augusta 00:27:36.600 --> 00:28:02.220 I got my favorite ethnic restaurants for every year. It's hard. Actually going out. My wife and I made a commitment to go to as many shows as we could last year. We got to see a good number. Wait, wait, wait. Stop the clock. Your wife likes metal? Yeah, my wife's awesome. 00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:34.360 It's everybody but us, man. Everybody but us. I was literally telling this story on my neighbor's porch earlier today about I got to split. I got to take a shower and do the podcast. And then somebody's like, Andrea, my wife, do you listen to the podcast? She's like, no, I've never listened to that. And I said, none of our wives listen to it. I love that you shower for us, Will. That's a greatly appreciated. Hey, so how has one of the things we've been asking people about is like, how's the lockdown hitting? 00:28:34.520 --> 00:29:04.080 And I know we're kind of getting past lockdown time here, but what has been the general effect on your personal situation? It sounds like you maybe we're doing more work from home. Yeah, I pretty much work from home. And that's that's new. You didn't do that before. No, I mean, I would drive within a two mile or two hour radius anywhere around my house, you know, every day. So, you know, I drive four or five hours a day easy. And that gave me time to kind of listen to albums and, you know, 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:34.480 I don't know. You just get in that rhythm after so many years. I'm cool with it. To be honest with you, I don't really like a lot of people. People suck. We can all agree on that. I got to go back to my building on Monday. I said what's there today and I got to go tomorrow. I realized how thoroughly I have enjoyed this. I like being home. I like not having to talk to 00:29:35.560 --> 00:30:04.480 I don't anticipate going back soon. At all? Like you're going to stay full time? What do you think? Well, I mean, my office is in Montgomery County, which is still like the Maryland hotspot. Oh, is it? So, you know, they're going to be the last to reopen, I'm sure. And even when they do, the consensus with the management there is like, hey, no rush to come back, you know? Good. No, no, no reason to take a risk if we don't need to. So. Yeah, fuck that. You gotta be 00:30:04.520 --> 00:30:33.480 six feet apart anyway. I mean, unless all your cubicles or whatever. I got an office, but yeah, I mean, what's the point? You know, until we know that this thing's kind of licked, there's no point in going in. Yeah. And honestly, I think a lot of people are doing that. I mean, like if we can work from home, why not just work from home? You know, and I know I'm going to be doing some work from home, which is weird, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say the biggest, you know, 00:30:34.500 --> 00:31:04.180 is probably, you know, because I have a teenage son that's going to be 16. And, you know, he's a musician too. He's obsessed with the Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin. He's got the Hoffner bass. He's got an Ibanez. He's got a Gretsch Hollowbody, an Ovation. Like, he's got a bigger vinyl collection than I do. But he was just starting to get kind of in a routine where he was having other musicians by. 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:33.820 He was really starting a band. It gave him kind of a focus. He's a freshman. He just graduated with honors, so he has college credit as a freshman already. That social part of him is, I think, over the last couple months, in the last few weeks, it's been kind of like watching him kind of deflate. That would probably be the biggest negative. 00:31:34.180 --> 00:32:02.600 I'm cool. I'm totally good. But the kids. Yeah, you've already been around. I can remember how badly I wanted out of my house every single fucking weekend when I was 16. And every evening if I could. I just wanted to go out. It wasn't that I didn't like my family. I just didn't want to go out and see the world and do things. Today in my neighborhood, they did a parade for the graduates. And by parade, I mean a bunch of assholes driving around honking their horn. 00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:32.580 That's hilarious that you say that because my wife actually for Woodstock started a page where she's like the leader of that parade of assholes. I only say that because I don't have kids. Now we know who the real big asshole is. 500 people that subscribe and she got the fire department. Yeah, they had ours too. 00:32:33.160 --> 00:33:03.080 I mean, I say that jokingly. I did go out and watch it, but we were just kind of like, well, I, and I, I, I, I, I bunch of assholes. Well, this is great watching George walk. This is like when James said it was like a poor man's pallbearer and walking. How many times do I put my foot in my mouth? Well, this is like the third time they've done it. Okay. So, you know, the first time I didn't know why I was just like, shut up. Uh, but, uh, 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:33.100 Anyway, I was sitting there on the front step watching this and I looked over at my wife and I said, do you, if you were a graduate, would this make you feel better? And she was like, yeah, probably. And I was like, all right, enough said. I was like, driving around waving at nobody. I mean, like, you know, they're just waving at houses. There's nobody looking. My takeaway from the story is thank God, George, you don't have any children. Yeah. Indeed. Yeah. But the problem with the whole thing was, 00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:36.720 It was supposed to be meant for little kids. And then 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:38.880 you got the graduation 00:33:39.260 --> 00:33:40.800 people, which is kind of awkward because 00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:43.040 they don't want that shit. They don't 00:33:43.080 --> 00:33:44.960 want 40 people honking with banners 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.840 on their cars when you're 00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:49.040 17, 18 years old. That's ridiculous. 00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:51.160 And then it started with 00:33:51.800 --> 00:33:53.080 it's my 40th, 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:55.160 it's my 50th birthday. 00:33:56.340 --> 00:33:57.100 And then it ended up being 00:33:57.700 --> 00:33:59.320 7, 8 in a 00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:03.140 fucking day. So 00:34:03.540 --> 00:34:32.139 And, you know, finally she'd have put a governor on and be like, listen, you know, if you're over like 13, you're done. But yeah, it's weird. And, you know, it'd be like, it kind of got sad because it started like dying out. And it'd be like two people. Yeah. With all the kids in the car honking and, you know, just driving around the neighborhood. I mean, they look like crazy people. You know, that gives me the idea. Next time I'm out, I'm just going to drive down this, when I'm coming down my street, I'm just gonna start honking my heart like an asshole. 00:34:32.800 --> 00:35:02.580 because I'll be able to get away with it. And somebody will go, oh, wow, that must be for the graduates. And I'll be like, ha, ha, ha. Well, our driveway is on a very busy road and her car, our minivan, super cool, is all decked out with like glitter and happy birthday. So every fucking time, like I would say maybe five, six times an hour, there's people honking right in front of our house. Wow. Trying to give you a salute because of the, 00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:32.760 tricked out van. Like a just married thing or something. Well, that's it. Yeah. Well, but I, you know, it's interesting to hear about your kid and Will's got kids too. Matt does. So Matt's not obviously here to me. I can, I, I have thought on multiple occasions, how, how hard this must be for the kids. I mean, Jesus, I mean, whatever, like we're all jaded. We want to stay home to a certain extent. You know what I mean? We're missing concerts and stuff like that, but that's, that's a bummer, dude. Especially since, you know, some of the, some of these guys are going to lose 00:35:32.780 --> 00:36:02.540 a whole year of anything real, you know? Yeah. And it's like, if I could chime in, like, you know, because I have kids, I don't, I have a six-year-old and nine-year-old and there are days where they're just, they, especially my six-year-old, he's just super, my William is just so bummed out because they do like a zoom meeting twice a week. It's kind of like what we're doing. And he, he, after the meeting, he's kind of depressed. He's like, I miss my friends. Yeah. How much cool shit did you do when you were six? You know what I mean? Like he, 00:36:02.780 --> 00:36:32.680 He can seemingly be seven before this is over and probably will be. I don't know when his birthday is. October. October. Yeah. And my daughter is kind of the same way. Like she has some really close friends who are not don't don't live on our street. She's not playing with them. And she's like, this sucks. Yeah. This is their 9-11. Yeah. She'll always have chemists. Yeah, exactly. She will. It's funny. It's interesting. So today is what? 00:36:32.800 --> 00:37:01.660 The 30th of June. Yeah. And so today was the first launch of astronauts from the United States on a commercial vehicle, SpaceX. SpaceX, yeah. Took them up. And then so my kids were out playing and I brought them in like, no, you're going to sit here in front of the TV and you're going to watch this. This is historical. And then we were just thinking like, wow, this is like some of the big historical things that have happened in your lifetime is coronavirus. 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:32.680 And weirdly enough, my daughter's like, in the impeachment of the president? I'm like, well, that is very historical. And SpaceX, you know, seeing his launch. That's funny. Everybody was all gaga about that today. I was down in this room in the basement, completely shut off. And my phone started blowing up because my family were, like, texting about it. I'm like, I thought I, I mean, you see stuff about SpaceX in the news. It's usually blowing up. So I was just like, yeah, so what, they're doing something. Who cares? 00:37:32.800 --> 00:38:02.600 I had no concept of this being any sort of big significant thing and paid no attention whatsoever. I hope Steve's dad doesn't work for SpaceX. I wasn't knocking it. I was explaining that I had no idea the significance of what was going on today until everybody started talking about it. We don't have any idea of the significance because if this thing goes off 100%, you know, no issues, they dock, they come back. This is, 00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:32.760 a massive deal that they're using private you know funding private rockets to get up there because this changes everything i made a joke to a friend of mine actually i do know someone who's worked for uh i can't remember if he was at spacex or um orbital well you know on sterling they have all those contractors they're all out that way and he worked for one of them and so i know he was pretty excited but i made a joke to his wife because she works in my where i work and i said you're gonna know something's up when elon musk is on mars five years 00:38:32.800 --> 00:39:02.340 They're not doing commercials. You're going to know this shit was all planned and ready to go. They just had to do one flight. Yeah. And now he's up there. But the other significance though is that they did work in conjunction with NASA. And so this is the first time the United States government has sent anybody in this space in a long fucking time since the last time. Well, no. First time for US soil. We've been hitching rides with the Russians. Oh, excuse me. That's right. That's why this is a big deal because the fact that we're hitching rides should have never happened to begin with. Right, right, right, right, right. 00:39:02.780 --> 00:39:05.060 That was exactly the headline I read. 00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:10.280 Just real quick, you guys did something interesting about how this was a big event. 00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.960 And, Will, you brought your kids in. 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.740 I still remember watching the Challenger blow. 00:39:15.540 --> 00:39:17.420 I was homesick that day from school. 00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:18.140 I was in school. 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:21.540 And I was just, I told Jen this today. 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:26.160 I don't know what you guys did, but my high school had this big, huge card. 00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:28.400 Everyone said, oh, I'm really sorry to hear this happen. 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.040 And I remember my one friend, he went and signed a card, and he says, 00:39:32.140 --> 00:40:02.100 I'm really sorry this happened I still want to be an astronaut I've never forgotten that to this day and so to see today actually what didn't purge the past but it was like wow I've been waiting a long time for that still a long time yeah we were I was talking about this today and I know the challenger blew up and I think I was in seventh grade when that happened yeah I was a senior in high school and you old fuck and um what was the other one there was another one that blew up yeah there was Columbia 00:40:02.120 --> 00:40:08.880 Columbia on reentry and it spread over something like what 1500 miles of debris yeah from 00:40:09.140 --> 00:40:32.100 California to Texas I think yeah it was first I watched that one too yeah yeah because I was trying to explain to my kids like this is a big deal like not only is this is like this is like Ford Motor Company launching people into space not to government and like sometimes it goes bad and I a lot of the SpaceX launches and whoever else they blow up a lot of them 00:40:32.160 --> 00:41:02.080 That's all I remember from the news is them blowing up. Well, something blew up yesterday or today or something. There was a blow up. The other thing I remember about Challenger the most distinctly was that, of course, that was the thing Christy McCullough was going up in. And I remember the footage of her class watching and how fucked up that was. And her parents watching too, because her parents were at the bleachers at the launch site. I totally remember that. And I remember everybody not understanding how to interpret what had just happened at first. They were 00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:32.080 It's supposed to spread off in different directions like that. It took a few minutes for it to register. What's that? That was the Voyager. I thought it was Challenger. Challenger was the one that blew on the way up and what did you say? Columbia was the one that blew on the re-entry. Voyager is the one that became V'ger in Star Trek. Voyager is a satellite. That's the confusion. Just real quick. I don't know if anyone 00:41:33.040 --> 00:42:01.980 I had forgotten this. Elon Musk started PayPal. He's part of that group. This all came from somebody involved with starting PayPal. And now we're to the point now where he could be, not him, but his company or companies like his could be the most important ones in the world now going forward. Is SpaceX Elon Musk? Yes. Oh, no shit. Yeah. And then there's like, there's a virgin. That dude's got one. 00:42:02.120 --> 00:42:30.980 Branson is also going to be Virgin Galactic. He's been Virgin Galactic. They have a launch pad, I think. I could be wrong, in New Mexico. Oh, cool. I just want to interrupt and say, welcome to the astrophysics podcast. I know. We're not getting close to the physics, but I hear you. The one last thing I want to mention about that is that my mom was like, it's really cool that they're referring to the astronauts as Bob and Doug. And I was like, wait, are they Canadian? 00:42:32.480 --> 00:43:02.040 Yeah, I know. I love that too. And I sent a picture of Bob and Doug McKenzie to her just over her head. She's just like, no, they're American. I'm like, that's not the point, mom. But they did say Godspeed, Bob and Doug, you know, was the quote and they didn't use their last names. And that made me, I chuckled when I heard that. That's probably what she was referring to. Because Bob and Doug McKenzie is the first, that's the first thing. I was like, did they take off? Yeah, the challenger, I think it was. 00:43:02.100 --> 00:43:31.540 third grade, but they had all the classrooms gather in the gymnasium area so we could watch it because there was a teacher growing up. And when that happened, kids were crying. The teachers didn't want to do it. They're trying to figure out what the hell they're going to do for the rest of the day. But I don't know if any of you guys saw the last Joe Rogan with Elon Musk. He did two of them. And one happened maybe a week and a half ago. But he was talking about what he's working on now is, 00:43:31.540 --> 00:44:00.840 like you drill out part of your skull and it's a metal plate that has like a like nanobots that attached to all the synapses and it's able to cure blindness um no shit yeah and and for certain like uh paralysis you know situations and uh and he was talking and he mentioned that our language is such a barrier in how we communicate 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:30.400 and there's not a lot of nuance and what he's trying to get at eventually is that you just look at each other and you communicate better than speaking. I'm going to nix that right now because if people knew what I was thinking half the time, I'd have a thought. I'm going to say that old grumpy Clint Eastwood guy. I mean, let's get down to the brass tacks. Can it cure cirrhosis of the liver, obesity, and baldness? Yeah, is it going to fix my back? 00:44:31.440 --> 00:45:00.100 Why are you looking at me when you say these things? You're right on my screen. I have always I don't know what it is and this is apropos of nothing it's just I find the name Elon Musk so unpalatable it's just that is the weirdest fucking weird porn guy name. It's like it's like a bad bad scent that you don't want to wear. Yeah it's really. Jay be honest of all anyone who's in his position that's ever done anything like this. Is there ever been a guy just named like you know Joe Green? Yeah. 00:45:01.060 --> 00:45:30.800 Joe Green. Seriously, it's always these names are like, wow, that name is so catchy. I never would have thought. Nobody has just a regular name. Fucking Markisan. I mean, well, I always think things like like Mookie Betts. What else is a guy named Mookie Betts going to do? You know what I mean? It looks like he's playing baseball when he grows up. Well, yeah. Okay. So Mookie Betts is the second Mookie for those who remember Mookie Wilson. Yeah. All right. Let's reel this back in a little bit. 00:45:42.460 --> 00:46:00.780 I would say, and this is going to be a little foreshadowing, but the albums that really hit me hard, Best Wishes by Cro-Mags, Voivod, Phobos. Interesting. There is some foreshadowing there. I believe that came out. 00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:30.620 in 1997. Yeah. Right. And I don't know, probably this is a weird one, but Game Over by Nuclear Assault. Nice. All right. There you go. Just made a couple of friends. That Cro-Mags Best Wishes album is still one of my favorite albums of all time. Crush the Demoniac. Like, I fucking love that song. Hey, what's the soap opera drama going on with that band right now? There was some news story about one of them. It's the old, 00:46:30.860 --> 00:47:00.160 Yeah, Harley Flanagan, who I guess was the original singer, tried to knife and stab the other current members of Cro-Mags in a CBGB-type place in New York. That's pretty metal. Something along those lines. That sounds pretty stupid. Yeah. Like back in the day or recently? I mean, it's probably 10 years ago. Okay. Yeah, we actually would have, I just got done with John Joseph's book, 00:47:00.220 --> 00:47:30.200 and I would recommend if you're going to read it just get it on audible because him reading it is 10 times better than the book could possibly be I think it's a lot of you know kind of flavor to it but Harley was kind of a drug addict and on their biggest tour you know once Age of Coral you know broke he was signing weird contracts anyway he he took all the money when John Joseph came back from the biggest tour of his 00:47:30.220 --> 00:47:58.960 He was squatting, essentially. And they got into it. And Harley, essentially, John Joseph went AWOL when he was in the Navy. So he let the authorities know. He actually spent some time in prison. So it's a long story. So then the debate goes, you know, whose Cro-Mags is John Joseph and Mackie, the original drummer of the Cro-Mags, or is it Harley Flanagan? 00:47:59.520 --> 00:48:26.600 And Harley won. I think, you know, rightfully so, if you look at the material and the writing and, you know, just kind of the general aesthetic of Harley. But the agreement was it's Cro-Mags and now it's Cro-Mags JM for John Joseph and Mackie, the original drummer. So that's kind of the split and divide between those two bands. Didn't they get the memo? It's AD. Yeah. Yeah. 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:57.960 I'm glad you brought that up. It's super interesting because I've had so many discussions when I was in high school. Like what's better, Age of Quarrel, which is the Chromax first album, and then the second album, Best Wishes, where John Joseph, I think, took over on vocals. And I just absolutely love Best Wishes way more than Age of Quarrel. Yeah, Harley started singing on Best Wishes with John Joseph. Yeah. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:28.980 Yeah, and he's got that weird like, whoa, which kind of influenced, if you think about it, like directly like Life of Agony and that kind of whole, you know, kind of nasally meets Danzig kind of thing. Yeah. What do you think of the new Danzig Elvis album? Dude, I fucking love Danzig. Like, I like everything he does, even if it's stupid. You know, the first four, obviously, you know, Sam Hain. Anything Danzig 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:57.240 through the first four are amazing, but it's just like he keeps that aesthetic. He keeps going with his hairlines going nuts. He's still wearing those shirts, and it's just weird, but he's dancing, man. He still kills live. Well, I mean, not kills, but it's cute to see him. He does if you take pictures, though, at the shows. Always one of those. 00:49:58.740 --> 00:50:25.940 What are some of your favorite bands right now, Steve? I kind of float around a lot. I always go back to my core bands as far as bands that are out now. It's always like black metal or doom. 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:58.560 core bolt thrower, you know, carcass kind of shit. But, you know, you guys talk about them, I think, I'd say at least every 20 minutes. Carcass? Oh, chemists? Really? Yeah, chemists. You know, I'm a huge Leviathan fan. You know, I love Leviathan and pretty much anything. Leviathan, the black, the Northwest black metal band? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:27.960 Crazy motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. Lurker, Chalice, that kind of stuff. Yeah. I don't know. I'm kind of all over the place. And to be honest with you, at the rate that albums come out, it's kind of hard to find something you want to listen to again or you don't keep up. And George, I think you have that same problem. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, you want to recommend 50 albums for the week. And, you know, things kind of, you come back to them. And like, I'm always like two years behind because I'm like, oh, dude, that shit was fucking hard. 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:58.060 But, you know, I listen to bullshit from Germany and Poland. And, you know, I totally forgot, you know, what I was enjoying to begin with. But, yeah, right now, I think because I bought a baritone holobody, I've been listening to a lot of, like, slow and slow, you know, kind of doom stuff. But, yeah, I don't know. I guess you'd have to bring up a band and I'd give you my opinion if I, like, right, that, 00:51:58.100 --> 00:52:25.460 But lately, I would say as far as newer bands that got there, Dark Suns, Paradise, Paradise, the Lost kind of thing. I know we're going to kind of talk about that in a little bit as far as Elm. But yeah, as we talk, I'll start thinking of things, I'm sure. I'm just going to keep hitting you with lists. 00:52:26.300 --> 00:52:56.280 I got four out of the five but it was five minutes before we started the show you wanted me to I know I know yeah we've been as part of the work journals we've been asking people about their top five quarantine albums and I didn't think about that until like five minutes before we started I was like oh I should have asked him to do that too I mean because we I mentioned the the three metal albums that help people understand you we've got a top five to do for the episode and all that so sort of a last minute thing but if you have if you have five 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:23.440 Go for it. Or four. I'm trying to come up with one more. All right. Well, if you can't think of it now, just do the four, then wherever we are in the episode, just drop the fifth on us. Be like, dude, five. No, don't even say five. Just shout out an elbow. I think I got it. I think I got a fifth. Okay. Is it your number five or you're like your number three or, you know, where is it? I don't know yet. 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:55.040 It'll be random, I guess. Cool. You know what? Yeah. It'll be my number one, actually. All right. We'll start with your number five, then. Oh, we're doing that right now. Yeah, we're doing that right now, man. Gotcha. CDC is here, man. They're taking you away. What are your five albums you grab? Number five, Brutal Truth, Sounds of the Animal Kingdom. Wait. 00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:26.060 Is this, sorry, not our top five, top five? No, no, no. Okay, because that was from 1997. It'd be ironic if they were all from 1997. Yes. It's the only year I listened to. So I just wanted to be sure because I remember looking at that when I was making my list. I just wanted to make sure this was not that list. Honestly, it would have been on there. I totally fucking missed that there was 97. You still have time, man. 00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:55.400 I don't got that capacity. Hey Steve do you find that Sounds of the Animal Kingdom sounds vastly different from Extreme Measures, Call for Extreme or whatever it is? The first album. Yes yeah I think it was a lot cleaner. I remember actually Rolling Snow Records picking that up on the new release day and yeah it was and I think that album kind of stands alone and then you know. 00:54:55.700 --> 00:54:59.600 their last two before they kind of gave up on it was a little more angular with a 00:54:59.900 --> 00:55:05.800 different guitar player um but no yeah i think it was more brutal it was more defined and 00:55:06.540 --> 00:55:13.480 for me that's kind of the zenith of uh you know brutal truth personally yeah i'm a big fan of first album 00:55:14.520 --> 00:55:22.839 yeah that's good too and we'll speak that's fuck you no no no no no i i just i just found the two 00:55:26.300 --> 00:55:52.820 I absolutely love the first album and then it sounds the animal kingdom I like it a lot but it's just not I don't know it didn't capture me maybe it was just the moment in time that's all I'm between both you I like need to control better hmm you know what one of my very close friends Steve Reichelt he's the bass player Morta supplier okay I don't know if you remember those he he actually bought 00:55:52.840 --> 00:56:22.760 That base of a Dan Loker with the pot leaf, like the legendary, you know. Wow. Black base with the green pot leaf. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm jealous. We know Danny. Yeah, he's been on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Seems like a very chill guy. He is very chill. What's your number four? Oh, we're doing Just Me? 00:56:24.140 --> 00:56:49.160 Sorry. Yeah, because again, well, we've done ours. So, yeah. Actually, I don't think we've ever done. Have we done ours? We have never done ours. Our quarantine albums? Yeah, we did that the first time. Yeah, we did it. We did it. We had a guest, and we did it with that guest, whoever it was. Oh, I fell asleep. We're old. We don't remember three months ago. 00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:22.780 Yeah, my number four is agnostic front victim in pain. Yeah. More hardcore. Yeah. Sorry. I kind of got that thing. That's all right. I love the hardcore. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Let's see. Number three is world coming down typo negative. Nice. Hmm. Let's see. Number two is Leviathan scar-sided. Uh-huh. 00:57:23.680 --> 00:57:52.760 And then my number one was 40 Watt Sun, Whiter Than the Sky. Wow. That's cool. Good choices. That'd be this. That's the San Francisco Leviathan dude. That's one man. Yeah. We already covered that, Jay. Catch up. I apologize. My apologies. But also, and I'm always willing to talk about it, so I never shut up about it. But that might be one of my top three typo negative albums for sure. It's World Coming Down is one of my favorites. So many good songs. 00:57:52.860 --> 00:58:22.680 on their record. And how great is it to have a song about cocaine addiction called White Slavery? It's so good, dude. I feel like Type O Negative has come up a lot in our cast. They do. Yeah, well, John from Brimminghorn mentioned him a couple times. And Matt's a big fan, and there's a few, and I like them, and, well, George likes them. And when we do these top ten lists, when we hit these years and stuff where they're on there, too, we tend to pull one out. Tend to rub one out. Right around, like, fall. 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:52.800 You know, when the leaves start changing, it's just... Yeah. It's cheesy as fuck, but I mean, you gotta throw in typo and... October rust. Yeah, walk around a graveyard, your goth girlfriend. Mm-hmm. My girlfriend's girlfriend? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Be my druidess. I do love that 40-watt sun. So I saw Warning. They played in Chicago. I don't know if you were at that show. It was maybe a couple years ago or something? No, I never caught Warning. That's awesome that you did, though. 00:58:53.360 --> 00:59:22.820 That's super cool. That album is solid. It's a solid album, man. Front to back. It's killer. Yeah, I think they put out a special release and I got it signed by the band. That was really neat. That's cool. It always sounds like a depressed leprechaun. So I have one more question for you personally before we move on to the rest of the episode. And that is, it's almost 00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:52.820 It's time for mid-year. We're working on our lists. Do you have anything from the first half of 2020 that's really that, you know, I realize this can kind of gel with like what we're listening to and stuff like that. So if you have stuff you want to put in there that you don't want to talk about here, that's fine. But, you know. Yeah. Contenders. Yeah, contenders right now. Yep. Honestly, I don't know. Did we decide and 00:59:52.840 --> 01:00:21.480 Prior Podcast at the New Tombs is a full album. It's... It is. We're just going to say yes. We're going to say yes. You know, so George doesn't hang him fucking so. The other day I was thinking, you know, I should just fucking write to Mike. I mean, I'm Facebook friends with him too. I'd be like, Mike, is this an album or EP? I need to know for my list. Settle it right fucking there. It's like 34 minutes, isn't it? I know, I know. 01:00:21.560 --> 01:00:27.240 But he told us it was an EP. Who cares? Put Tombs, 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.400 put Lady Gaga, put them all on your fucking list. 01:00:30.620 --> 01:00:32.460 Rah, rah, uh-uh-uh. 01:00:33.560 --> 01:00:35.380 I'm adding this as a running agenda item now. 01:00:36.020 --> 01:00:38.300 There's a behind-the-scenes argument thread that we had 01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:41.220 that was about what constitutes an album and an EP. 01:00:41.540 --> 01:00:45.440 And a couple of us, not me, got pretty goddamn scientific, 01:00:45.550 --> 01:00:48.180 and it ended with George saying, 01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:49.740 fuck it, just put whatever you want on the list. 01:00:50.120 --> 01:01:19.060 Yes, the new rule is there's no rules. If you think an EP deserves to be on the list, fucking put it on. I don't care. And if you recall, my response is put anything you want on your list as long as you can bear the consequences and the feedback that you get on it. Yeah, I mean, Jay put on like Rammstein and Hollywood vampires and live albums and like all kinds of crazy stuff. I don't care, man. But I won't be putting the new witchcraft on. 01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:47.780 That's good. Oh my god. That's not even better. James Lewis from Decibel is going to be on our mid-year with us. And I told him this. I was like, dude, I just want to give you a little background. There's going to be no rules. However, you have to endure whatever your choice is. And he's like, so that means if there was a Clutch album, I could put it on there. And I was like, see, he knows. James listens. He knows. 01:01:49.200 --> 01:02:17.340 And I was like, yes, if you wanted, if there was a Clutch album and you wanted to put it on there, it is now allowed. It is now allowed because I put it as my number one one year. Yeah. There's crickets and people are like, that's not metal. I'm like, what? And, you know, and it's been this running gag, but I don't think anybody dislikes Clutch. I mean, I like Clutch. It was just sort of like, nobody dislikes Clutch on here. No, who's going to dislike that band? 01:02:17.660 --> 01:02:47.360 But it was just sort of like, huh, I don't think of them as, I mean, they're definitely a heavy band, but I wouldn't think, I just wouldn't think to put them on my list. Well, it's influenced Will, though, because when we were the top 50 of 50 years, he changed his album for that year. Yeah, but to be clear, I like Clutch. Actually, I went from like my number one and went all the way down to like my number nine from that year. What was it? What did you change it to? Do you remember? Really? You went back and ranked the whole, the year again, Will? To see where it would fall? 01:02:48.039 --> 01:03:17.380 No, no, no, no. When we did our first, like the best albums from 1970 to 19. Right. Yeah, 2019. The year that I picked Clutch. That's what I meant. That's my number one. Yeah. So I looked at my list because I was actually on the podcast way, way back in the time machine when I was ridiculed. So I looked at my list. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I got down to my number nine. It was Niall. 01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:18.020 Yeah. 01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:20.080 Became my number one. 01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:21.420 Definitely a metal album. 01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:27.920 But anyway, yeah, this year, the gloves are off. 01:03:28.040 --> 01:03:28.700 There's no rules. 01:03:29.990 --> 01:03:32.400 You know, Lady Gaga could be on there. 01:03:32.430 --> 01:03:34.520 You never know, because she just put out an album. 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.000 I don't know if the rules are wide open. 01:03:37.210 --> 01:03:40.520 I actually like it, because it would be interesting to see if anybody puts an EP on there. 01:03:40.670 --> 01:03:45.080 Because we all know George loves Thrasenblatt, and he could put it on there. 01:03:45.140 --> 01:04:14.280 This whole thing stemmed from, it started with Tombs, because the Tombs album, EP, whatever it is, is short. But it really kicked in the high gear when Throssenblatt put up like four or five songs. But I, and I think Mark is on as well, I am doing an EP list. But that is not because of Throssenblatt. That is because I want to put Grindcore on my list. I know, but you fucking assholes. 01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:16.540 list on every year. 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:17.040 Right. 01:04:17.160 --> 01:04:19.540 Okay, but wait, but now we're going back to see this as the argument. 01:04:19.720 --> 01:04:22.660 Now we're now Grandcore albums are automatically EPs, not automatically. 01:04:22.810 --> 01:04:23.240 I understand. 01:04:23.680 --> 01:04:25.300 No, well, I'm not calling it an EP list. 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:29.800 I'm calling it something shorter than an album. 01:04:30.120 --> 01:04:33.960 That's why I have a system for Grandcore, but I'm probably never going to put a Grandcore 01:04:34.010 --> 01:04:34.500 on my list. 01:04:34.700 --> 01:04:38.920 Jay, my issue was why does a Grandcore album that's 15 minutes long get called an album, 01:04:39.200 --> 01:04:43.360 but I have an EP that's 39 minutes long, but it's called an EP and doesn't qualify. 01:04:43.900 --> 01:05:12.580 That 39 minute EP is three grindcore albums. This is a mind bending conversation that it only ends in pain. But I have to say my favorite, my favorite comment in the whole conversation was somebody throwing out dope smoker and John saying that's a single. And then somebody put another album and I was like single. Anyway, make the EP list. 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:43.800 Bong Ripper just put out like a 27 minute long song single. So Steve, did we actually let you say anything from this year? Welcome to the podcast, Steve. I think he was on like three or something. I think he did three of them. Oh, wait. Well, I did one. That's right. You asked about tombs and then we went off to the races. No, no. I mean just like mid-year. What do you like? Oh, mid-year. 01:05:43.880 --> 01:06:11.600 No numbers or anything, just anything that sounds good. Yeah, contenders. I really like the Beast of Revelation album. Oh, yeah. It reminds me of like Disembowment, Transcendence, and Peripheral kind of like. Ah, interesting. The new Sinestral King with Serpent and Coiling. I don't know that one. Yeah, I put that on Metal Fridays. I've listened to that a few times. Pretty good. Yeah. 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:41.780 I really liked Crimson Dawn. It's like Black in Depth from Canada. And then Nexion. Spirit of Black from Iceland. It's good black metal. Vocals are a little loud in the mix, but I find myself listening quite a bit. Yeah, I think that's all I got. All right. I have, because I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm going to be on the show. 01:06:43.880 --> 01:07:13.860 It's all lists. Yeah, never breath. That shit's awesome. To defile is to transcend. Really good rips. You know, kind of war medley, but with the dissonance that seems to be really popular in death metal right now. Check that out. Yeah, it's cool. Cool. You found something I don't know. Oh, and one more. The committee. I don't know if you've heard that yet. It's called 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:42.760 The Utopian Deception. They're from Russia, France, and Hungary. Really good black metal. The production's great. The double bass is pummeling. It's good. It's good. That really struck me about a week ago. I'll check it out. Cool. All right. Any other questions before we move on? That would be negative. All right. So before we get into the news, 01:07:42.920 --> 01:08:10.000 Let's do a quick t-shirt and beer check. So, Steve, you're the guest. We're going to start with you. What are you wearing? I see you're kissing up to Jay there. King Diamond's fatal portrait. Yeah. Well, you know what? My shirts turn gray because I get stuck on them. I'll have like four shirts that just keep washing and they look like gone. Yep. About a month and a half. 01:08:12.980 --> 01:08:41.779 I can get a couple shirts just for this podcast. So as far as beer, I tried to, even though Woodstock is kind of bullshit, nobody really wants to live here. They have really took on the brewery thing. You know, they're building a third brewery, the town over has two breweries in the town after that has a really good one. So Markisan you probably know Scorched Earth. Yeah. Yeah. So I got the exiled angel. 01:08:44.700 --> 01:09:12.700 I've had a few since we've been talking. I think I've actually had that beer on cast before. Yeah. This is, I got a crawler, Hulls Lager Brewery, which means Woodstock in German. It's a Mexican dude that owns the place. I'm not sure why he went the German way, but it's, this is a Raspberry Pills. It's 5.2, so it's not too deep. And then I got some more beers in the fridge. 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:41.220 There I got another one. This is six step five. It's the Trojan Unicorn VIPA. Hey Steve, did you ever go to Woodstock 99? I know it wasn't actually in Woodstock, but close. No, I don't know. I don't know. Oh, never went to that concert? Because it's pretty infamous. I was there. I just wanted to maybe. Oh, Woodstock in New York. Woodstock. In New York. Different state. Right. We're foreshadowing. Limp Bizkit. 01:09:46.500 --> 01:10:12.800 $30 bill, y'all. It would be on Matt's list. Yep. Oh, Matt, where art thou? All right, Markisan. What about you? What are you drinking? What are you wearing? Well, you guys saw before I have the Iron Maiden 40th anniversary at ET. That's on sale now at the Iron Maiden site. I just finished a Brimminghorn mead pink pepper blob. 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:41.460 Awesome. Traditional mead. Nice. That was pretty good. And now I am drinking a Golden Sabbath. It's a Chardonnay barrel aged beer. It's got Hawaiian honey. It's pretty damn good. I've had the regular version. I've never heard of this, but it's got like pepper, plum, figs. It's a Belgian beer. Golden Sabbath. It's a Hawaiian beer from a Big Island Brewhouse. Sweet. 01:10:45.340 --> 01:11:12.720 Can I get a look at the shirt? I need one of those. That's like the little black dress. That never goes out of style right there. This is a new one because it's got the bricks and stuff in the back. They have some other new shirts too. Take a look at the website. I saw a good meme where somebody made an album covers before, during, and after. 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:42.880 Lockdown. Did you see that? And the before was Women in Uniform, if you remember that one, John. He's got two girls in his arms. And then during Lockdown was... I think I sent that to us. Oh, you were the one to say, okay. Well, to finish the joke for the listeners, then during Lockdown was Peace of Mind and after Lockdown was Live After Death. And if you can picture those three covers, it's perfect. That was really good. Actually, my favorite of those, it says the summer and it had... or something coming up and it had 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:45.000 a picture of Celtic Frost on their first album. 01:11:45.690 --> 01:11:49.300 And then it said COVID-19 and it had them during like Cold Lake or something like that. 01:11:49.990 --> 01:11:50.100 Yeah. 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:51.080 Yeah. 01:11:52.660 --> 01:11:53.260 Poor bias dudes. 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:54.160 Yeah. 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:55.380 They did it to themselves. 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:56.120 Yeah. 01:11:56.860 --> 01:11:57.920 John, what are you wearing? 01:11:58.160 --> 01:11:58.700 What are you drinking? 01:11:59.160 --> 01:12:00.180 So I'll do drinking first. 01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:04.360 So Birmingham Horn, it's a big bottle. 01:12:04.480 --> 01:12:04.920 It's a bomber. 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.440 It's called Orange Carmidon, I guess. 01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:09.820 I don't know. 01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:11.340 Yeah. 01:12:12.060 --> 01:12:41.360 And I don't even like oranges to be honest with you, but it's pretty good. And it's big. So in my shirt, who the fuck doesn't like oranges? I'm not a big orange fan. Orange cardamom together. That was really good. There's a bread at whole foods. They make sometimes orange cardamom bread is my favorite bread in the world. Wow. But it's pretty good. Welcome to the bread podcast. Yeah. So my shirt is, um, I don't know if you guys know about life is good shirts. I don't normally wear them, but, uh, Jen got me a life is good shirt and I'll drop it down. 01:12:43.020 --> 01:13:11.840 It's the social distancing world champ. Bigfoot. That's awesome, dude. It's not just Bigfoot, but it's from the 1967 Patterson Gimlin film, that famous picture of the Bigfoot crossing over the creek in Northern California. It's funny, John, you have that t-shirt because both my children at different times have had a very similar t-shirt. It said Hide and Seek World Champ. Yes. Was that also a life is good shirt? No, no. 01:13:12.040 --> 01:13:41.180 It's just a regular. It's so. My daughter is obsessed with like cryptozoology. Not Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, like all that stuff. Hey, Will, is there a dick joke world champ? Because that would be good for you. That would be you. Biggest dick world champ? Yes. Dick joke or dick smoke? Look at us. I didn't know Peter North was on the podcast. Is he still alive? No. I don't know. 01:13:42.060 --> 01:14:12.020 All right, wait, that was John. So, Will. I am drinking, as we mentioned before we started recording, the Abraxas, which is the super, super yummy from perennial artisan ales. It's like their Mexican hot chocolate sort of Russian imperial style. And my 01:14:12.060 --> 01:14:42.020 My shirt tonight, I'm going to drop this down. Does anybody know this shirt? Who is this guy? That looks like Arnold and Predator. Yeah, I wish I could do the voices right over there. Get to the choppa. Wrong movie. Different movie, but great line. So I'm wearing... 01:14:42.060 --> 01:15:11.400 It's the pixelated. Infrared. Something like that. Whatever. But it's Arnold Schwarzenegger from Predator. But it is. Gloom. The local DC band Gloom. My favorite part of this shirt is I'm going to turn around. Excuse me while I whip this out. He's wearing chaps just so the listeners will know. I can't quite read that. Something sexual. Goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus. Yes. 01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:40.280 This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus, which is a famous line in that movie. When they're such a good movie. I feel like that's Jesse Ventura. Which makes it even funnier because it became like the independent governor of Minnesota. And I bet Matt voted for him. I would have voted for him at the time. He's batshit crazy now, but. 01:15:42.200 --> 01:16:11.940 Anyway, that's I'm wearing glue. That's one of my favorite movies of all. Well, I feel like you should just be covering yourself in mud as the episode goes on. So we can't see you anymore. What the hell are you? If you don't already do it, and I don't like mostly I follow bands and stuff on Facebook, follow Arnold Schwarzenegger. His Facebook posts are awesome. And he's always like he I don't know, he has a bunch of animals. So like mini horses. Yeah, any horses and donkeys. 01:16:12.040 --> 01:16:42.020 and shit. And like, it'll be one of them. Like one, the other day, one of them, I was having a birthday. And so he brought it into the house and he was feeding it at the table. And then the other horse was like across the table, looking at it really jealously. And then, and then the other day, one of his donkeys fell asleep on the grass and he went out and was rassing the donkey and stuff. He's so fucking funny, man. Jay, if you think he's funny, have you seen Pumping Iron yet? It's still one of my favorite documentaries of all time. As in from back when he was a young man? Yeah. No, it's, it's when him, Lou Ferrigno, and, uh, I think 01:16:42.060 --> 01:16:43.620 I think Franco Colombo. 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:44.860 Is this funny famously? 01:16:45.080 --> 01:16:46.260 Like every time I'm pumping iron, 01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:47.160 he's like, I'm coming. 01:16:47.860 --> 01:16:48.040 Yeah. 01:16:48.140 --> 01:16:48.880 It's, it's just, 01:16:49.200 --> 01:16:53.860 he, he convinces the one guy to eat fried chicken before an event. 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.500 And he just does that to psych him out. 01:16:55.540 --> 01:16:58.080 So the guy eats the fried chicken and he screws himself up. 01:16:58.180 --> 01:16:59.860 And it's just unbelievably funny. 01:17:00.040 --> 01:17:02.400 It's, it's the Mr. Universe competition. 01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:03.660 I think in the late seventies, 01:17:03.860 --> 01:17:04.100 you know, 01:17:04.160 --> 01:17:05.620 while we're on the subject of documentaries, 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:07.920 I gotta say anybody who cares at all, 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:09.240 I don't really watch basketball anymore, 01:17:09.480 --> 01:17:11.720 but I was a huge Bulls fan and I've been watching the last dance. 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:41.800 I just finished it. Awesome. Almost makes me want to watch basketball. I've never been a basketball fan, but it was good. It's not like that anymore, George. It's not. After Jordan left, it really kind of changed the sport. But that's a very, and I followed the Bulls religiously at that time. I lived in Illinois. And so I remember everything in the doc except for all the shit behind the scenes that I didn't know, which is what they're teaching. Yeah, I agree. I'm not a big basketball fan now, but back then I was. I was really into basketball. So it was really cool to revisit it. 01:17:42.100 --> 01:18:11.600 and see the behind the scenes that you just didn't know. Because you knew, I mean, you followed those teams, you knew those players. But wow, it was a great, great documentary. And you know that was all from his perspective too, right? Oh, of course, yeah. Yeah, so I would be willing to bet you there were probably, what, 324 other NBA players that might have thought slightly differently? Well, no, no, no. I mean, did you watch it, John? No, because I've watched so much stuff about him in the past. No, you should watch it. There's a lot of opinions. 01:18:11.860 --> 01:18:41.840 It's the exact opposite of what you just said. Basically, everybody thinks he's an asshole. That's what I'm saying. That's the sum total. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In the documentary, he admits, like, basically, I was an asshole. Yeah, I'm an asshole. I don't care. This is what I needed to do to win. Right. I mean, I know all the stories about they would play, and then literally the teams would get together afterwards after games. They would gamble literally till the morning. Yeah. You know, it just wasn't thousands. It was hundreds of thousands of dollars were getting thrown around, and he lost. He was pissed. But to revisit his father's 01:18:42.280 --> 01:19:10.860 and the gambling controversy and all this stuff. And you just hear some stuff you didn't know, you know, because there's some behind the scenes shit. Well, and the relationships between the players, you know, with Dennis Rodman and the other players, you know, and how he would just go off and just gamble, even though it's just a practice. When you say relationships and Dennis Rodman when the players, what do you mean? That's a documentary I want to see is actually his. Actually, Rodman, Rodman comes off pretty good at it. Yeah, he does. Yeah. Steve Kerr is really good in it. You know, I mean, that was really great. 01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:39.820 Did any of you guys actually see Jordan play? Yes. I saw him one time play. I only saw him play on the Wizards. And I have to admit, in D.C. because that's where I live now. And it was kind of sad. He was like 40. He was slow. And I was like, man, I wish I could have saw him 10 years ago. Saw him in the late 80s. I saw him with the team from the doc. I saw him with, well, Rodman was hurt the night I went. And they played the Dallas Mavericks. But I saw him with Pippen. 01:19:39.820 --> 01:20:09.500 and Ron Harper, all the guys that are in the dock, I saw him. It was either in 97 or 98. I'll have to go find my ticket. I saw him like three times and it was during the first run. So you were living in Chicago at that time then? No, I was in New York actually. Oh, really? So you saw the games at the Madison Square Garden, you mean? Yeah, I saw Madison Square Garden. Yeah, two games there. And then I think the other one was in Syracuse, New York. It was an exhibition game actually. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll tell you one other thing. 01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:39.140 And I'm not making this up. I saw him hit a home run. Cool. Yeah. They used to play when he was playing minor league baseball. Arizona. Arizona. Yeah. Welcome to the Michael Jordan podcast. All right. Let's do some metal. I have. Wait, Jay. Yeah. Do we need all this shirts and beers? We're heading to meet. Yeah. That's you. So I have, I stopped at my, I don't want to drink it right now because I just ate, but I have stopped and got some Pliny today. 01:20:39.840 --> 01:21:09.260 the store, now that I'm finally getting back into Berkeley again, because I don't live in Berkeley, I stopped at my favorite place, picked up some planning and a couple other things. Just in the fridge after the cast. And I'm wearing Napalm Death. Nice. You've been really into them lately, Jay. I have, yeah, I'm pretty Napalm Death to the max. Hey, Jay, did you order the Decibel vinyl? I did. So did I. I order all of them. Me too. And they're all good. I mean, it's basically the last, what, three records or something like that. 01:21:09.820 --> 01:21:39.800 That's Apex Predator, Utilitarian, the Slave one. I think that's it. Is it just three of them? Four. Yeah. The code is red. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's four. Yeah. Yeah. The code is red. But the cool thing about that, I'm sure you saw this, Will, is that you get a condensed version of the article that Decibel did on them in that year. So it's like a four-page magazine. I'm looking forward to getting them. They don't come out until August or so. Yeah. I was hoping they would come earlier because I need to ship a high on five 01:21:42.220 --> 01:22:09.220 I need an album shipper. I need to order vinyl just for the box. I know, but Amazon should be like 10 of them. You know what? I have some records I never gave you. Well, I could send you those and I have some boxes and you could reuse one and I could throw an extra one in there. Plus, I still owe John a DVD that I haven't sent because I haven't been to the books. Whenever you get to it, well, you know. No, I'm definitely going to send it to you. 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:39.800 need the actual shipper thing. Yeah, I save some of my box just in case I have to send them. I used to save them for a while because I have a friend in California, Chop, who sometimes I think listens to this podcast. And I've sent him some stuff. And I just saved the vinyl. So at long last, Church, what are you drinking and wearing? So I started with some mead. It's the same 01:22:39.860 --> 01:23:09.800 people that make the vikings blood but this is their it says it's like gi dot donsk miod yes that's the ginger one it's the ginger one that's my favorite and uh so yeah i was debate i was in the store i was like i got another viking blood that's for mid-year and uh i was like i want to get one i want to try one of the other ones they had this one they had the one it's the white bottle that like apparently it's just it's just honey wine nothing added all of the other ones are 01:23:09.820 --> 01:23:39.600 with blah, blah, blah added. And so this was ginger and there was the nothing and then there was something else, I feel like. So I went with this one. It was good. I liked it. But now I have moved on to Evil Twin Brewing's even more Tuxedo T-shirt Jesus, which is an imperial stout brewed with milk, sugar, and vanilla and coffee. Aged in verbal. 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:41.180 maple syrup barrels. 01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.140 The one you have is not, but even more Jesus is from the Bible. 01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:46.800 And I distinctly remember. 01:23:47.780 --> 01:23:49.060 I've had both of those. 01:23:49.340 --> 01:23:49.900 What is it? 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:50.480 Who made it again? 01:23:50.780 --> 01:23:53.700 Evil Twin, which I like because that's a song by Anthrax. 01:23:54.500 --> 01:23:56.220 Also, we haven't talked about it, but McKellar is in trouble. 01:23:57.240 --> 01:23:57.700 Are they? 01:23:58.280 --> 01:23:59.000 Yeah, they're closing. 01:23:59.300 --> 01:24:05.480 They had to close their brewery slash restaurant up here or something, and they were getting 01:24:05.660 --> 01:24:06.820 close to bankruptcy or something like that. 01:24:08.260 --> 01:24:37.680 Danny Liliker, who we mentioned earlier, he's obviously heavily involved with McKellar. Yeah. I didn't. Is that who brewed that beer for him? Yeah. They brewed the nuclear hop assault beer. I never. Because he sent me some. I traded beers with him and he sent me some. And we got to have it on an episode. We got to have it on one mid or year episode. Yeah. I got the bottle. 01:24:38.240 --> 01:25:08.040 Pouring it at decibel too. He, um, well, I don't know, but now I think they're on both coats. So I don't know what that means for him, but they have like, um, maybe it's three foys. There's a war pigs. Uh, it's three floys with a, it's a collaboration. I think it's the three foys and McKellar. If I'm not mistaken, it's McKellar and another brewery. It's three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good beer though. Yeah. 01:25:08.260 --> 01:25:37.880 Anyway, and as far as what I'm wearing, I'm wearing my Dark Funeral Wear Shadows Forever Rain shirt. Just wanted to mention that. Cool. Your shirt is offensive. It has pentagrams and upside-down crosses. I know. I thought, this is the first time I'm wearing this shirt because it's the first time I can wear it. And I put it on and I came down. I see that it's a medium. It's a size smaller than usual. Let's just say that. Right. Nice, George. 01:25:38.240 --> 01:26:08.220 I came to let Steve's parents see it exactly I uh well I put it on and I was like let's see what happens when I walk downstairs so here's the headline just and uh oh sorry but uh she was like yeah it looks good so I was like that's the test yeah that means she that means she wants something um I uh so here is the headline three Floyd's indefinitely shutters monster brew pub citing coronavirus of course obviously Mikeller San Francisco pub is for sale but it's because of the pandemic 01:26:08.240 --> 01:26:37.640 So they're selling the property. But they also have it in San Diego and obviously up by Danny. So I don't know. The Three Floyds pub shutting down sucks because the food there is fantastic. You know, I've been to their website. I buy t-shirts from everyone in a while and I look at their menu and they have an amazing looking menu. They have like a three or four star chef or something in there that makes their food. So it's a really cool atmosphere and you get really good food and you get some unique beers when you're at that bar. 01:26:38.240 --> 01:27:08.140 But they're still selling beer. They have like a little window where you just walk in on the side that's in the same building as a restaurant. You walk in, you can just pick up beer. It's like a beer-y hole. Cool. Hey, just real quick, Marcus, what was that website that you turned us on to a while back where you ordered a lot of the beers that are hard to find? Fuck, I don't remember now. He's not going to tell you on the air. You don't want people to know about that shit. No, I mean, it was some big thing. It wasn't. Oh, shit, I can't remember. I haven't ordered for a while. Let me think about it, Jay. 01:27:08.260 --> 01:27:38.220 I think I sent you the link didn't I? You did but I didn't bookmark it. I'm an idiot. Well what the fuck Jay? So yes classic Jay. Yesterday I went into the beer store to pick up some of what I'm drinking today and I was wearing one of my true brewing shirts the one with the guy with the keg barrels. Will is familiar with that one? Yeah I got that shirt. I was wearing that and I was while I was looking at the meads one of the 01:27:38.260 --> 01:27:41.800 guys that work there comes up to me and he's like hey cool shirt 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:48.800 that's me talking through a mask and i was like thanks uh yeah it's cool and he's like uh 01:27:49.060 --> 01:27:52.920 where are they out of you know you know where's that place and i was like oh it's out in denver it's 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:56.480 like it's the drummer from band called metal band called chemist he's like oh that's cool looks 01:27:56.620 --> 01:28:02.760 kind of like a droid theory and i was like yeah it's kind of kind of like a droid theory and uh i don't know it 01:28:02.780 --> 01:28:32.720 It was funny. I ventured out to Target yesterday. Let me preface this conversation. So I entered out to Target yesterday and I had my mask on. And I'm standing in line, this enormously long line to check out because everyone's six feet apart and it's only self-checkout or whatever. And a guy walks by with his girlfriend and he's wearing the Realtree camouflage obituary hat. 01:28:33.920 --> 01:29:02.740 And like, you know, I have this like anxiety, not anxiety, but I'm like, do I say something like, hey, I'm usually just like whenever I like shout out something, dude, super disappointed with their reaction, because it doesn't spawn any kind of conversations like, oh, I'm like, hey, dude, man, I got that same hat. That's cool. And he's like, keeps walking. I'm like, fuck you, man. I know. I do that to people because 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:03.560 I was more like, 01:29:05.740 --> 01:29:06.100 well, 01:29:06.580 --> 01:29:08.000 it's because I don't expect it. 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:09.120 I don't even know what I'm wearing. 01:29:09.300 --> 01:29:09.880 I'm just out. 01:29:10.380 --> 01:29:11.420 And somebody will be like, 01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:13.480 that's a cool modern Mars shirt. 01:29:13.510 --> 01:29:13.960 And I'm like, 01:29:14.300 --> 01:29:14.880 is that what I'm wearing? 01:29:15.030 --> 01:29:15.320 You know? 01:29:15.380 --> 01:29:17.900 And by the time I looked down and realized what they're talking about, 01:29:18.080 --> 01:29:18.180 I've, 01:29:18.260 --> 01:29:19.460 I've walked on and I'm like, 01:29:19.980 --> 01:29:20.340 thanks. 01:29:21.100 --> 01:29:23.320 I was at BevMo the other day and somebody was saying something. 01:29:23.390 --> 01:29:26.040 They weren't comparing the pandemic to zombies and all this stuff. 01:29:26.120 --> 01:29:26.400 And I was like, 01:29:26.460 --> 01:29:26.580 what? 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:28.340 That's fucking woman talking to me about zombies. 01:29:28.830 --> 01:29:31.460 And I walked away and I realized I was wearing a day of the dead shirt, 01:29:31.570 --> 01:29:31.840 you know, 01:29:32.500 --> 01:30:01.760 I was like, and it was like later that night. And I was like, Oh yeah. Okay. Got it. By the way, did you see that super seven who makes all like the little cool, um, action figures and stuff for metal bands just made an army of darkness collection. I ordered the, um, Bruce Campbell with the boomstick. This is my boomstick. No. Uh, when he's got the chainsaw on, there's like three different Bruce Campbell's and like three different, uh, like the, you know, the, 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.940 I don't know why I can't go now but I intend to go but that's actually here and they 01:30:08.080 --> 01:30:12.080 actually have a storefront with all their shit in it and I've just never been there. 01:30:12.660 --> 01:30:19.600 You mean all that money on eBay for the King Diamond thing is sending to you and you could just went to the fucking store like a mile away? Fuck you man. 01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:24.960 Well I mean it was more convenient for me I mean you gotta admit that. 01:30:27.180 --> 01:30:31.160 Oh Jay I just remembered it's craftshack.com 01:30:33.360 --> 01:30:34.760 Now everybody's gonna know 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:37.360 I think it's in California actually 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:38.480 I'm gonna think about it 01:30:38.700 --> 01:30:41.540 So maybe Will could order some stuff from them for me 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:44.560 I used to 01:30:45.460 --> 01:30:47.420 Maybe I'll send it around to you guys if I can find 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:48.620 I used to have this bookmark 01:30:49.200 --> 01:30:51.160 It was just some dudes 01:30:51.440 --> 01:30:53.040 like blog of 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:55.260 all the beer 01:30:55.500 --> 01:30:57.220 stores that were online that ship 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.240 And that's how I used to 01:30:59.260 --> 01:31:29.220 That's how John and I got a lot of the beers from the Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Meers. Oh, bye, bye. What are you saying, Steve? Pre-recorded sounds, George. Yeah. Steve, you said something that got lost. No, no, no. Yeah, I put it on mute. I was just trying to figure out where to pee. Ah! Bathroom is always the best place. Or the nearest corner. Is there a cat box in the area, Steve? We're on Zoom if you... 01:31:29.240 --> 01:31:59.140 You don't have to scratch the box when you're done. You can hit directly upwards and you'll hit George right in the face. Why don't we do two minutes real quick because we're getting ready to move on into a segment. So why don't we, everybody who's got a PP. Sounds like a plan. Now is the time. Yeah, this is the stuff I edit out, Steve. I just did. We're good. Oh, okay. Well, you got your stuff covered. All right. No worries. Anybody else? Anybody else? No, I'll wander off if I have to. Yeah, we've been doing that with the Zoom and we haven't really been taking breaks. People just kind of go and come back. Yeah. 01:31:59.580 --> 01:32:29.220 So less editing for me. I love it. God damn news. All right. Yes. Fucking news. It's good. I was totally joking. I didn't pee. Oh, you were joking. Oh, you need to go. Was that the, uh, no, no, no, wait, wait. I'm thinking that was the Steve Martin joke from, uh, what was that movie? Thank you. Dirty rotten scoundrels. Excuse me. Yes. Thank you. Well, now that you mentioned it, I kind 01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:59.220 I kind of do have to pee so we'll be right back fucking bathroom she's I'll get some more beer this is Satan and when I'm not busy tormenting the souls of the damned I tune in to the metal heads podcast and so should you fuck actually before we get to news even though this is but this is relevant 01:32:59.240 --> 01:33:29.080 And it's something and maybe you can chime in, Steve, if you've seen it. I don't know, but I know George. Well, the rest of it, we haven't talked since it came out, but we all watched Murder in the Front Row recently. I just watched it yesterday. That was a very emotional experience for me. That's well put together, wasn't it? I thought you did a pretty good job with that. Yeah. By the end, I was... I haven't watched it yet. Is that the DVD you just showed, John? DVD! It is. 01:33:29.240 --> 01:33:59.220 I don't think they have a blu-ray I think they only have a dvd they don't have a blu-ray yeah it comes to all this cool shit the bay earth flash scene did you see did you so you probably haven't watched this Steve yeah I know I got the same one John I got the same so that's nice I just I I bought it on this like whatever Amazon Amazon yeah I did too were you saying Steve did you did you watch it you know not yet no I I was anticipating it um but no I haven't seen it I it's on prime now that's cool John you can stream it now on 01:33:59.240 --> 01:34:29.200 if you so care. It's totally with your time. It's really good. And there's some stuff you won't know in it. Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff in it. I loved when actually inspired part of the Thunderdome tonight. I yeah. Well, that's why I watched it was because of the Thunderdome. But I liked that like towards the end where Kirk got choked up. I was like, oh, but I don't even remember now because I watched like two, three weeks ago. When did he get choked up? What was he talking about? Just like how 01:34:29.260 --> 01:34:30.600 the whole thing was. 01:34:31.020 --> 01:34:31.140 Yeah. 01:34:31.460 --> 01:34:33.820 And he's kind of that fucking founder of it. 01:34:33.940 --> 01:34:34.140 Yeah. 01:34:34.300 --> 01:34:36.220 I went into that with, 01:34:36.700 --> 01:34:38.400 remember you saying that and yeah, 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:38.780 it's. 01:34:40.200 --> 01:34:41.300 Because he started Exodus. 01:34:41.460 --> 01:34:42.400 He taught everybody. 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.620 It's taught Gary Holt how to play guitar or at least give him his first. 01:34:46.900 --> 01:34:46.980 Yeah. 01:34:47.040 --> 01:34:50.360 I actually just watched an interview today with Gary Holt. 01:34:50.420 --> 01:34:52.940 I had no idea that Kirk Hammett taught him how to play guitar. 01:34:53.200 --> 01:34:53.780 That's incredible. 01:34:54.220 --> 01:34:54.360 Yeah. 01:34:54.540 --> 01:34:54.700 Completely. 01:34:54.900 --> 01:34:57.160 I always thought he just kind of skipped out on Exodus. 01:34:57.360 --> 01:34:58.820 This band he was in that he thought was kind of lame. 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:05.720 He started Exodus. And I love that when Gary Holt talks about that when Kirk left, it was sort of like, 01:35:06.120 --> 01:35:11.760 the keys to the car. Yeah. And I, because I never realized how, 01:35:12.300 --> 01:35:16.920 how much Gary kind of looked up to Kirk, you know? Yeah. So anyway, it was very interesting. 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.240 It's totally worth your time, Steve, a hundred percent. It's so good. 01:35:21.180 --> 01:35:25.020 Well, I'll get into that later, but yeah, it was really good. 01:35:25.200 --> 01:35:54.160 Like required reading, viewing list for any metalhead. You know what? The book is worth having. You should have the book. Yes, that which Jay bought me. Thank you. I can't forget that. It's funny because there's the part towards the end about Cliff, the requisite Cliff Burton. Oh, this is what happened and talking to people. And it's funny because later that I watched, I watched this by myself, Barb didn't want to watch it. Is it funny? Is it really, is it funny? 01:35:55.180 --> 01:36:25.160 No. It's about Cliff Burton. How could it be fucking funny? Well, you just said it's funny because I'm like, really? Okay. It's not funny. It's, I should say, it's unusual. Surprising. You think I'm funny to you? You think I'm funny? What am I, a fucking clown? Make you laugh? But later in the day, we ended up watching Hired Gun. Also worth the time. But 01:36:25.200 --> 01:36:54.960 Surprisingly, Cliff came up in that as well. I was like, what? Did you watch Hired Gun, John? I forgot. Yeah, I watched that a long time ago. But it was worth it. You know what it was really worth it for was the Rudy Sarzo stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've always kind of like laughed at him, but I was like, wow. Yeah, he was in Aussie for a while. If you guys like all that, Jay and I have said this before, you have to watch The Wrecking Crew next now. Yeah. It's fucking great. And the thing that stood out to me the most from that, 01:36:55.200 --> 01:37:25.080 was John telling me about the Billy Joel thing. Oh, because I'm a big Billy Joel fan. And he's like, yeah. And I was like, wow, Billy Joel is a dick. Yeah. Also, Trent Reznor is a dick. Also, the guy that played for Trent Reznor from Filter, he's a dick. Are you talking about higher gun? Yeah. The guy from Filter is a bigger dick. Yeah. It's like Trent Reznor is like a chubby and like Richard Patrick, I think his name is, is like a giant throbbing. 01:37:25.820 --> 01:37:55.160 Yeah, the drummer from Billy Joel, you're just like, man, I want to go punch Billy Joel in the face. Yeah, he fucked those guys over hard, dude. It's like he got fucked by his manager, and so he took it out on them. So I, just to throw one more out here while we're doing this, because the Wrecking Crew, I agree with John, is awesome, but there's also one called Muscle Shoals that you might want to watch, which is... Yeah, that one was really good. Yeah, so both of these are along those lines. Yeah, it was badass, wasn't it? All right. Yeah. What's the Wrecking Crew one? Yeah, I don't know that one. It's... 01:37:55.980 --> 01:37:56.640 Yeah, go ahead. 01:37:56.740 --> 01:37:57.420 Yeah, I'm sorry. 01:37:57.700 --> 01:37:59.120 Backup musicians in L.A. in the what? 01:38:00.100 --> 01:38:04.520 Late 50s, 60s, and 70s that play on basically everything. 01:38:04.700 --> 01:38:05.260 It's like Hargaeton. 01:38:05.700 --> 01:38:10.000 And it features, and I can't think of her name for the life of me, and I should know it. 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:10.660 The P.L. Mays player? 01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:14.120 Yeah, she's on more recordings, I think, than anybody ever. 01:38:15.060 --> 01:38:15.520 She's a badass. 01:38:16.360 --> 01:38:19.880 But like, Glenn Campbell was in the wrecking crew, and then he left the wrecking crew. 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:21.480 It was an amazing group of musicians. 01:38:21.820 --> 01:38:51.740 But the funny thing is about her, you see her with them playing, and those guys are like, she's the best musician out here, and she's one of us, and if anything, we're one of her, you know, and it's badass. You wouldn't believe the albums that they all played on. Yeah, and this is just one snapshot, but they're like on all the Phil Spector stuff and everything that he did. I'm trying to find out what that woman's name is, because that was cool. Anyway, it's totally worth your time, dude, and it's just like so many interesting stories and behind-the-scenes stories. I want to say her first name is Carol, but I could be wrong. 01:38:52.480 --> 01:39:20.420 Going back to Hired Gun, there's the Jason Hooks. Carol K. Sorry, go ahead. The one guitar player guy who, you know, he started out as a Hired Gun and ultimately ended up in Five Finger Dick Punch. Yeah, I was going to say Douche Punch. And I'm like, you know, and I didn't know this. And I was like, oh, okay. And I was like, oh, and I was like, oh, no. 01:39:21.480 --> 01:39:51.360 And Barb was like, do you like those guys? I was like, no. But was it the Alice Cooper thing that made you go, no? No, the five-finger death punch thing. No, no, no. But I mean, he came from Alice Cooper. That was his hired gun. Right, right, right. But no, when I realized where he was headed. Which, by the way, Alice Cooper plays a big part in this movie, too. He talks a lot. It's just fucking great. Yeah, Nita. Yeah. Anyway, why don't we move on to the news? Because it's been almost two hours. I want to hear John's point real quick. Yes, of course. 01:39:51.460 --> 01:39:52.380 I was just gonna say 01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:57.020 he guy is a hired gun and he joins five figure death punch is he really 01:39:57.540 --> 01:40:02.440 joining that band or is he just joining that job at that point he's got a house now let's put it that way 01:40:02.460 --> 01:40:05.960 yeah he's got everything's paid for because he's gonna be playing in front of big crowds every night 01:40:06.480 --> 01:40:12.580 which I just can't understand go ahead steve yeah was it the guy with the like the braids or the guy with the 01:40:12.780 --> 01:40:19.239 no no no he's got short black he's got the the like the eye tattoo like a short black hair he actually 01:40:19.260 --> 01:40:48.840 It just looks like he could work at the local fucking target. You know what I mean? I mean, he's like just a presentable dude for the most part. He's not weird looking or anything. Like the next phenomenon, like what becomes huge. And what target do you shop at? Cause the people in my target are not presentable. I don't know. I, I, I stumbled. I didn't know what I was going to say. They will target came out, but yeah. Yeah. No, no. I hear you, Steve. They, I, I don't get it. They're filling those guys fill arenas. Yeah. Yeah. They, I mean, that singer, what Ivan, 01:40:49.920 --> 01:41:18.800 I can't even look at him. He sounds like he's having a bipolar episode. You know? And I explained it to Barb. I was like, this is what heavy metal is to people that don't know what heavy metal is. This is like Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold. Something else. Steve, what are you using for a mic? Are you using like an external mic? Yeah. Can you move it a little bit closer to you? Just a little bit quieter than everybody else to me. Is that true for everybody else? Yeah. Okay. 01:41:19.260 --> 01:41:23.900 That way, when you interject, it'll be easy for us not to cut you off that way. 01:41:24.440 --> 01:41:26.000 I mean, Jay will still cut you off. 01:41:26.330 --> 01:41:28.780 Yeah, for sure, because I have so many interesting things. 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:31.400 Let's get to the news chopper. 01:41:32.160 --> 01:41:33.320 Get to the news chopper! 01:41:33.510 --> 01:41:35.060 Okay, we are doing the news now! 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:36.460 We're doing it now! 01:41:49.860 --> 01:41:51.560 George, you got five minutes. Roll. 01:41:54.240 --> 01:41:57.760 I'm going to deep through this thing. Don't worry about it. Headline news. 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:00.360 Let's bring it back a little. This first one's kind of somber. 01:42:02.040 --> 01:42:05.220 Bruce Dickinson's estranged wife, Patty Bowden, was found dead. 01:42:05.980 --> 01:42:35.940 That's somber. There's like no information. Yeah, I know nothing about it. The word tragic accident was used. Right. Like, did she like drop her hairdryer in the bathtub? I don't, you know. Or tragically accidentally take a whole bottle of pills. Right. They said the ambulance crew was wearing hazmat suits when they went inside. Wow. That means. Is that true? Wow. Yeah, that's what I mean. That could just be a general corona thing. Could be anything. Yeah. Well, I don't think it's corona, but it could be. 01:42:36.780 --> 01:43:05.540 Well, I mean, just because they're like, you know, it's coronavirus. We don't know what's in there. And it's been a couple weeks now. I'm surprised they haven't mentioned what the cause of death is. Because it's probably the family wants to keep it private, I would assume. Yeah, I guess. But anyway. That is kind of sad, by the way. I mean, that makes you feel like an asshole, by the way. Yeah, I think the biggest person feeling like the biggest asshole right now is probably Bruce, since he's the one that left. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, and his kids, that's what I was thinking about, because. 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:35.960 First, I was like, oh, shit, he's got kids and stuff. So it's like their mom. Did he leave like yesterday or something? No. I think that's strange for a while. Yeah. I mean, it's like 2018, I think. Yeah. I mean, I guess we don't know what's going on, so I can't make any judgments about this at all. Yeah. Well, he's with some French bodybuilding physique now. Which, by the way, doesn't look that differently than his old wife. I mean, they're kind of 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:37.680 I mean, 01:43:37.850 --> 01:43:39.400 they don't look very much like anymore. 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:40.140 I'm sure. 01:43:42.240 --> 01:43:42.460 Anyway, 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:43.760 moving on to the next item, 01:43:43.950 --> 01:43:44.060 uh, 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:45.520 slightly less tragic. 01:43:45.870 --> 01:43:45.980 Uh, 01:43:46.280 --> 01:43:49.080 Brian May of queen is recovering from a, 01:43:49.250 --> 01:43:49.360 uh, 01:43:49.460 --> 01:43:50.720 apparently a minor heart attack, 01:43:51.430 --> 01:43:51.540 uh, 01:43:51.900 --> 01:43:53.520 which I thought he had, 01:43:53.630 --> 01:43:53.740 uh, 01:43:54.500 --> 01:43:56.820 he had just had some sort of like gardening accident or something, 01:43:56.870 --> 01:43:59.500 but apparently he also had a recently had a heart attack. 01:43:59.650 --> 01:44:01.080 So I kind of surprised me when I heard it. 01:44:01.080 --> 01:44:01.280 I was like, 01:44:01.420 --> 01:44:01.600 really? 01:44:01.630 --> 01:44:01.960 I didn't, 01:44:02.060 --> 01:44:03.100 I didn't know this was happening. 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:03.900 Well, 01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:04.220 he had a, 01:44:04.360 --> 01:44:05.200 he didn't have a gardening accident. 01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:34.540 He had a pinched nerve, so says he from all the years of carrying his heavy guitar. And his homemade guitar apparently is super fucking heavy. He's always played that one guitar. But then I think he thought maybe it was the stress from the pain that brought the heart attack on him. He had problems. It was something waiting to happen. But then that sort of forced him. But it sounded like he walked out of the hospital. It was like nothing happened when he walked out. It's because he's Brian fucking May, man. He had three stents in there. 01:44:34.620 --> 01:44:35.780 It's kind of crazy 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:37.420 because he said he's pretty healthy 01:44:37.940 --> 01:44:39.380 He likes and he has a good diet 01:44:40.220 --> 01:44:42.300 But sometimes, you know, that shit doesn't even matter 01:44:42.520 --> 01:44:43.780 I mean, I've known a lot of healthy people 01:44:43.780 --> 01:44:44.800 It's all your DNA, baby 01:44:45.080 --> 01:44:45.620 It's all it is 01:44:46.020 --> 01:44:46.640 Look at Mick Jagger 01:44:46.700 --> 01:44:48.680 Mick Jagger had a heart thing 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:49.960 Oh, wow, I think he's richards 01:44:51.440 --> 01:44:51.800 Impenetrable 01:44:53.140 --> 01:44:55.300 That guy should have been dead like 40 years ago 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:56.840 He has died several times 01:44:58.060 --> 01:44:58.900 You know, I read his book 01:44:58.950 --> 01:45:01.780 and it wasn't nearly as dramatic 01:45:02.940 --> 01:45:04.580 He's no worse than anybody else 01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:33.480 They just make it out to be worse. Hey, just real quick. I don't know if you didn't add this, George, but did you guys see that Bob Kilik or whatever? Bruce Kilik's brother died? Oh, did he really? And you guys are Wasp fans. I figured you would. Yeah, he just passed away. No, I did not know that. For those of you who don't know, he was basically the shadow Ace Frehley when Ace was drunk and high and whatever. So as just one matter of example, side four of Alive 2, which is an all studio album, that's all Bruce Kilik. Yeah. 01:45:33.580 --> 01:45:35.340 Yeah, so his brother Bob. 01:45:36.390 --> 01:45:37.300 So Bruce is in case. 01:45:37.320 --> 01:45:38.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:45:38.110 --> 01:45:40.360 So Bob, but who is Bob? 01:45:40.820 --> 01:45:41.740 Bob's his brother. 01:45:42.440 --> 01:45:43.700 He was a session musician. 01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:44.560 He's a hard gun. 01:45:45.420 --> 01:45:45.820 He was. 01:45:46.100 --> 01:45:47.300 He's a producer and everything. 01:45:47.820 --> 01:45:48.140 All right. 01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:50.400 But he was a bigger name than Bruce, really. 01:45:50.580 --> 01:45:53.340 I mean, I knew Bob Kulik long before I ever heard of Bruce. 01:45:53.340 --> 01:45:54.640 He was in Wasp for a while, wasn't he? 01:45:55.500 --> 01:45:59.700 I don't know if he was in them or if he was just a session guy with them because I don't, 01:46:00.200 --> 01:46:01.580 I haven't followed their history. 01:46:02.060 --> 01:46:32.020 I suspect he just played on records about that about Ace Frehley people wanting Ace to be in Kiss those two brothers have been in Kiss like three times as long as Ace Frehley has in his career you know they've been a part of the band since really the late 70s you know the 70s let me give you a quick discography I'll just shout out some names here so that you'll know what he's on because he is a relevant dude he played with Lou Reed he's on four Kiss records he was in Meat Loaf apparently he's 01:46:32.060 --> 01:47:01.760 a Michael Bolton record. Everybody's crazy. Shout out to Matt. Two Wasp albums. Which two? Which Wasp album? In the 90s, I think, wasn't it? That is correct, Sean. The Crimson Idol and Still Not Black Enough. I don't suspect, I don't think he probably toured with them. He's not the good ones. I don't think there's any Wasp album after The Headless Children because after that it's just horrible. 01:47:02.140 --> 01:47:31.520 shit music. Yeah, people have said like Crimson Idol, but no, no, no. Headless Children's. Concept album, but anyway, blah, blah, blah. It just says, actually here it says he played on those albums, so he wasn't ever a member of the band. It says he never toured with Wasp or became a member of the band. But in any case, he was just, you know, he was a guy that you, if you read enough magazine articles sooner or later, you write his name. Yeah. He was the Steve Lukather of Wasp. That's right. Except for that he never had any personal success. You know what I mean? Like Steve Lukather. 01:47:35.960 --> 01:48:00.760 Yeah, but he was a session guy first, wasn't it? Something about the rains in Africa? I don't know. He is. Pretty much him and the other dude are a Toto. But I mean, was he in Hired Gun? Steve, yeah. Yeah, because he's played with everybody on top of being a Toto, yes. I love the thing about the dude from, I want to say it was like the Steely Dan guy, maybe? Or he was on a Steely Dan album? Yeah. 01:48:03.040 --> 01:48:31.660 Yeah, and how Steve was like, he outed him about his OCD, how he has to take off all his clothes before he takes his shit. He's like, he's going to kill me. I was like, wow. Is that weird? No, Will, it's not. It's only weird if you don't. It's only weird if you like it. Didn't George Costanza take off his shirt every time he went to take a leak in the bathroom? Oh, no. I think that happened on Seinfeld. Anyway. 01:48:32.060 --> 01:49:01.500 Moving on. Moving on. It's unfortunate that Matt's not here, but I think I know where he might be. Yeah, he's the guy driving the truck. So in Minneapolis, there's this guy that drives around in a black ice cream truck and that like blasts heavy metal music and does not sell ice cream. He just drives around and like kids will run up with their money and he just drives away. And he should throw promos at the kids as he drives by. You're missing the key part though. 01:49:02.120 --> 01:49:31.040 Buttons. Oh, is that right? Yeah, like he has a logo and he, I don't know. No, no, that's good to know. But there was one of the key parts of the story is he waits until the kids come up and then he turns on the fucking metal and just to skin the shit out of them. His truck is plastered with logos of metal bands that are attached to popsicle sticks to make it look like a menu. And apparently, I don't know if you guys, when I read this initial article on whatever is Blabbermouth or Metal Sucks or, 01:49:32.040 --> 01:49:34.600 Injection, whatever, the overwhelming 01:49:34.780 --> 01:49:36.520 or Twitter, whatever it was, the overwhelming 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:38.420 comments were negative 01:49:39.480 --> 01:49:40.380 against this person. 01:49:41.480 --> 01:49:42.440 Well. Like basically 01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:44.280 saying you're a King Kong douchebag. 01:49:45.420 --> 01:49:46.740 I mean, it's like a big 01:49:46.940 --> 01:49:48.800 poser kind of thing. I don't know. 01:49:48.820 --> 01:49:49.880 I mean, I think it's funny, but 01:49:51.100 --> 01:49:52.540 I'm not saying. Let's not talk 01:49:52.710 --> 01:49:54.200 shit about Matt when he's not here. 01:49:56.440 --> 01:49:57.040 You know what? 01:49:58.020 --> 01:49:58.920 Well, these people are just pissed 01:49:59.090 --> 01:50:00.940 off that they haven't figured out how to get out of the house 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:30.920 and do something. Let's get Steven here. He's got a comment. Yeah. What if he plays five finger death punch? Okay. That's a problem. See, that really does depend on what he plays. I think he mentioned what he played and it was like a lamb of God or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not exactly. He played like it's like Slipknot, Lamb of God, like that kind of. Oh, fuck that guy. Whatever. Guys, I super have a confession to make because like five, five minutes ago when we were discussing 01:50:33.460 --> 01:50:36.480 I don't know if I've ever heard a single song by 01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:39.800 Five Finger Death Punch and I listen to it and I'm like 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.820 oh my like I literally brought up Spotify and it's going to completely corrupt 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.660 my Spotify playlist and anybody who follows me on Spotify which is like two people 01:50:49.540 --> 01:50:52.700 is going to be like what no fuck but yeah it is horrible 01:50:53.020 --> 01:50:56.760 shit that is super terrible horrible shit metal music 01:50:57.080 --> 01:51:00.920 it's not even metal it's like I'll admit I listened to the first album when I 01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:30.900 I was like, this is all right. But that was because I didn't know what it was going to become. You know, I mean, I was like, why would you think that's all right? Like, well, back, do you think it's going to become Iron Maiden? Like, no, but I just, do you think it's gonna become the black album? Like, I was a lot more, I was a lot more tolerant back then. I'm less tolerant of shit like that now because only tolerant. Well, it's like Trivium. I liked Trivium the first album or two when they came out when I saw them, like when they were playing in the fucking record theater is like the 01:51:30.900 --> 01:52:00.480 very, very, very, very opening band. I was like, holy shit, these guys are awesome. Trivium, now I can suck my dick. I don't even think Trivium is in the same class. Trivium is exactly the same as Five Finger Death Punch. They both suck a dick. Well, then you would love them. Yeah, it's true. Good point. But seriously, it's like, which way is this going to turn? Is this going to be something good? 01:52:00.900 --> 01:52:29.720 So next, Metal Thunderdome, Five Finger Death Punch versus Trivium. I have a moody guy. I remember I worked at Tower Records a few times in my life when things weren't going well. Don't laugh at that. He was in that band Motograder. Was he? Because I have that CD, right? Like 10 feet over there. Yeah, grab it. He's the fucking singer. I actually don't mind Trivium that much. Five Finger Death Punch I don't like, but Trivium I don't mind. 01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:58.700 I dislike Trivium a lot, but I dislike Five Figure Death Punch now way more than Trivium. Well, like up through Shogun, they were cool. Trivium sounds like they never owned a Celtic Frost album. You know what? I have to tell you, that's a big thing. You can choose any number of very cool bands, but that is, that's exactly what's wrong with all these bands that can't quite get there. You know what I mean? Like, that's exactly right. 01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:05.340 brought up on mostly like artificial sweeteners you know what i mean right they would not survive 01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:12.140 like a hardcore show it's funny back back when it was actually hardcore not karate core that's a good way to put 01:53:12.420 --> 01:53:18.960 what is the main what is the main guy from true and say matt he he's like a huge black metal fan yeah he's 01:53:19.020 --> 01:53:23.380 like friends with isan and they were supposedly we've been working on this album together for years he 01:53:23.480 --> 01:53:29.740 actually he actually knows his stuff and then he's talented yeah yeah i mean yeah i think it 01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:59.340 I saw him back in the day and he was really fucking good. But. And George is right. The first one or two are actually pretty good. And that, and you were like, well, these guys. Oh, they're Shogun. Shogun was like the peak. After that, it went to shit. Yeah. They were all right. Yeah. All right. Sorry. Which band are you guys talking about? Trivium. My Chemical Romance. Yeah. Hey, I like My Chemical Romance. That one album. Did I say that out loud? I don't know. Oh my God. Move on, George. 01:53:59.740 --> 01:54:06.460 La idea es que se puede hacer. 01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:59.720 And who's going to want that? It makes no sense to get this. Yeah, I think it's just a... People are whining about masks for two months right now. You think they're going to put on a fucking suit? I don't know. I mean, I kind of like... I think it's kind of cool. It's like a fucking barrier between me and the rest of the world. Fuck you, I'm in a suit. But the thing is, George, they want concert goers to rent the suit from Venue. Right, right. I saw that, which is no... You have to get there. You're going to be exposed to all the contaminants. You have no idea 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:04.740 How are they cleaning it? 01:55:04.860 --> 01:55:06.620 Was Willing it before you? 01:55:08.040 --> 01:55:09.360 How would he be babing it? 01:55:12.260 --> 01:55:15.120 I think it's the rough equivalent of the hat with the cans on it. 01:55:17.580 --> 01:55:20.220 I remember as a kid we had a World War II mask. 01:55:20.540 --> 01:55:23.820 The gas mask that we configured into 01:55:24.350 --> 01:55:26.800 pretty much how long can you put the mask on. 01:55:26.980 --> 01:55:31.000 It was pretty much a gigantic pile of marijuana that we hooked up to the 01:55:32.100 --> 01:55:35.840 mask. And like people would pass out and shit, but 01:55:36.820 --> 01:55:39.900 how would that work? Yeah, it wouldn't work. Let's put it that way. 01:55:40.010 --> 01:55:47.940 I mean, the better option would be for you to buy your own suit and then wear it to the venue. But I just don't think anybody's going to want to really do that. 01:55:48.280 --> 01:55:50.980 No, plus you'd be hot. Trust me. No one's doing that shit. 01:55:52.520 --> 01:56:20.840 And the thing is, they're not, concerts aren't going to come back before that is necessary. That's just the bottom line. Being a concert venue promoter, producer, whatever the fuck you want to call what I'm doing, like every show has been canceled until August and I bet our August shows are going to be canceled. But nobody's going to fucking show up in a hazmat suit because then there'll be like, 01:56:21.120 --> 01:56:51.040 three people at the show. Especially at fucking Atlas, because they would be hot as balls in that suit. Yeah. I already warned Temple of Void. Like, dude, you realize it's August in the brewery. It's fucking 100 degrees. Anyway, next agenda item. You know, well, you know, you're in the pit and your concerns are like getting knocked down, maybe having some skin like cut off of your elbow. And now you're in a fucking suit and you're like, your concern is you're in the 01:56:53.500 --> 01:57:21.020 You're decompressing. You're like, oh, no, I've ripped my suit. You know, I don't know. Fuck that. How's it going to work with those karate masher guys? Thank you, George, for prolonging this. All right. It's a legitimate news item, but it's not. Anyway. Yeah. OK. So let's move on to some interesting stuff. This is one of those things I would have cut out if we wanted to do the other thing we mentioned. Anyway, so Voyager. 01:57:21.100 --> 01:57:31.820 David or Voivod is going to release a new EP on July 10th called The End of Dormancy, which seems sort of apropos. 01:57:32.460 --> 01:57:34.980 Yeah, I'm sure it was intentionally done. 01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:37.520 Did any of you guys watch that? 01:57:38.860 --> 01:57:39.560 I don't know. 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:40.540 It was like a fest. 01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:43.760 Slay fest or Slay at Home or whatever it is. 01:57:44.320 --> 01:57:44.680 No, no, no. 01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:45.980 That was kind of weird. 01:57:46.020 --> 01:58:15.420 But the, it was like two weeks ago, and they had a Voivod, and they had... With the orchestra and stuff? No, no, no. They did like a festival where they went from band to band in their house. The socially distancing thing, yeah. It sounds familiar. I didn't watch it, but no. That was cool. And before that, well, it was Enslaved. Yeah, that one we watched. How many people were on the Voivod? What were some of the other bands with the Voivod thing? Jesus. 01:58:16.040 --> 01:58:45.020 Really? Wow. I didn't think he'd make that. Yeah, they get him. No, you know, Borknagar was on there. Oh, that's right. Yes, I do remember now. I didn't watch it, but I remember they were doing one. Borknagar. Was it put together by their label, the label they were all on, or do you know? I'll look it up. It may, hmm, was it Century Media? It may have been. I think it might have been, yeah. Yeah, sounds like it. Yeah, it was kind of fun. It was kind of exciting. I think that's what the future concerts, 01:58:46.020 --> 01:59:15.500 A while. But what I would think would be a good idea would be do like a pay-per-view thing. At least the bands are supported. Yeah. You know, you got an exciting event kind of it's a lot more intimate, you know, that the enslaved thing was awesome. Like that shit rocked. Yeah, that was really cool. Good speakers and the beer's cheap. Catatoni just did that. I think they chose 10 euros for their show. That was indeed Century Media and it was, 01:59:15.500 --> 01:59:45.440 The ones worth naming were Insomnium, Voivod, Horknagar, Omnium, Gatherum, Lucifer, and it kind of goes down from there. Yeah, Lucifer was all right. They're all right. Yeah, I like her, kind of. Yeah, kind of, yeah. I love these Zoom meetings just to see the stages of Will fading. It's like, look at him. You're muted. I am relaxing, and I am getting tired. 01:59:45.520 --> 02:00:15.300 Well, you know, you started drinking 11 hours ago. Well, I had one beer, dude. Chill the fuck out. We're two hours into this and we're on what, like the third news item? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Let's move it along then. So just cut the rest of the fucking news items and let's get to the interesting shit. Honestly, I never wanted to end. I love this. I've been waiting. Like I said, I've been 15 hours with you guys not even knowing what your faces look like. And now you're like, 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:44.380 I wish I didn't know what their faces look like. Because this goes on and on and on and on and on. Let us know if we need to pose. You can take a screen capture. You can do like a bear calendar. That'd be awesome. So Enslaved, despite pushing their album release back, have released a video for a new song appropriately titled Homebound. I know everybody watched this. 02:00:45.420 --> 02:01:14.980 Honestly, I thought it was okay, but it was a little slow. You thought that song was slow? Well, it started off like the first half. The song kicks ass. I love that song. Are you sure it was enslaved? Yeah, it was kind of, it was very for like half the song. Did you actually finish the song? Yeah, no, I definitely picked up. Yeah, okay. It's got complex time signatures in it. But I was just like. I love it. I love the clean vocals by the drummer. Yeah, no, I was like, hey, 02:01:15.420 --> 02:01:44.980 Look at the drummer go. I actually ordered the 7-inch, and I rarely order a 7-inch. That's how much I like that track. I'll be there shortly. I didn't know there was a 7-inch. That's awesome. Thanks, Mark. I don't remember what the second song is on there. John, do you know what it is? No, because the only thing I saw was when they put it up on Bandcamp, and I think it's just a single song there that they have listed. I think the 7-inch has another song, but I don't remember what it is now. I thought it was fine. 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:47.260 I'll be honest I like the 02:01:47.700 --> 02:01:49.360 drummer singing but I don't know if he 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:51.460 fits the style of the band 02:01:51.530 --> 02:01:53.460 just yet because I'm not used to him but he's a really 02:01:53.620 --> 02:01:54.820 he's probably the best singer in the band 02:01:55.290 --> 02:01:57.460 I agree that's what I like about it 02:01:57.530 --> 02:01:59.480 it takes Enslaved to a different 02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:01.180 place and the singing 02:02:01.330 --> 02:02:03.240 the clean singing to me is better 02:02:04.640 --> 02:02:05.460 they also 02:02:05.700 --> 02:02:07.260 took a massive jump 02:02:07.520 --> 02:02:09.220 when they added that new guy 02:02:09.680 --> 02:02:10.620 on keyboards 02:02:14.100 --> 02:02:14.980 in times 02:02:14.980 --> 02:02:44.720 that record of them. In times, I think is when he joined. I think so. Yeah, and that was the same thing. It's almost like they're focusing on let's get some good fucking singers in here. I like it, by the way. And I slowly realized that Enslaves is like one of my top five bands because every time we do this, they have something. Absolutely. I just want to find out my new backdrop. The video has a lot of smoke and ravens flying through storms, which is always cool. My scarf backdrop. At what point do you just turn into blood? I know. I would see if I can find one with the blood in it. George, to your comment, I think the album, though, 02:02:44.980 --> 02:03:14.060 is got kind of a primal feel to it according to what I read, but I could be wrong about that. So maybe it'll be a little faster for you. Yeah. I mean, I didn't say I didn't like it. I was just kind of surprised how mid-tempo it was for a while. I'm really excited about it after hearing this song, actually. I mean, I always love Enslave, but I could have sworn we got dropped nuggets about the album that it was supposed to be outstanding from somebody we know. No, James said it was fucking awesome. James was just like raving about it. So yeah. Oh shit. 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:15.820 because he's heard it. 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:17.180 I believe so. 02:03:17.440 --> 02:03:17.640 So yeah. 02:03:18.020 --> 02:03:19.200 So I don't get that. 02:03:19.420 --> 02:03:20.300 I don't get that, George. 02:03:20.500 --> 02:03:21.300 I'm sorry to. 02:03:21.540 --> 02:03:23.340 Yeah, no, I talked to James about this. 02:03:23.900 --> 02:03:26.060 I was like, man, you guys get all the good shit ahead of time. 02:03:26.620 --> 02:03:28.840 I was like, you guys get shit way before we do. 02:03:29.380 --> 02:03:30.660 And he's like, and he corrected me. 02:03:30.720 --> 02:03:31.320 He's like, no, no, no. 02:03:31.440 --> 02:03:32.340 I don't get shit. 02:03:33.160 --> 02:03:34.980 He's like, Albert gets shit. 02:03:36.080 --> 02:03:38.840 And I come over and like hang out with Albert and get to hear stuff. 02:03:40.580 --> 02:03:42.760 I think when he heard it probably 02:03:43.360 --> 02:03:44.820 it was filtering out because the album 02:03:44.840 --> 02:03:46.240 was supposed to be out in what April? 02:03:46.660 --> 02:03:46.980 I think. 02:03:48.500 --> 02:03:50.360 But no, Decibel 02:03:50.820 --> 02:03:52.200 because they're a print thing 02:03:52.300 --> 02:03:53.900 they get way ahead of Weedow. 02:03:54.420 --> 02:03:54.540 Yeah. 02:03:55.760 --> 02:03:56.820 Well, you know what? 02:03:57.120 --> 02:03:58.380 It doesn't even matter if 02:03:59.040 --> 02:04:00.180 we've heard that from James or not. 02:04:00.540 --> 02:04:03.180 Enslaved has not stumbled in a long time. 02:04:03.200 --> 02:04:04.380 I don't think they've ever stumbled. 02:04:06.700 --> 02:04:07.920 Jay, they're one of those bands 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:09.120 it's whether you like it or not. 02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:38.880 But somebody likes all their albums at some point. So if you like enslaved. If you like enslaved. Yeah. So honestly, I kind of like that, you know, mid tempo thing. But they've done that plenty, by the way, haven't they? I mean, that's I mean, they've been doing it for like 15 years now. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And that's what makes them kind of special. I mean, if I want to hear fast shit, it's cool. You know, there's a few bands I could think of. But I got shit like Arc Sphere and like all this bullshit. That's just it. You know. 02:04:39.780 --> 02:05:09.120 scales and as fast as you could possibly humanly play. You totally dissed something that I'm going to be talking about later. Thanks. Fucking arch spot, man. Now you are truly on this podcast. You've been Sultan George. All right. Will's back, so let's move on to the next item. Well, just one thing. So the side of that seven-inch cover of TNT's Knights of Thunder. Weird. Yeah, weird, right? Yeah. Which we haven't heard. Like everyone's a star TNT? 02:05:11.540 --> 02:05:39.660 Don't answer that. Come on, dude. Seriously. Moving on. So, you know, recently Jay was talking about how this lockdown and everything is kind of going to possibly end the careers of some people that are going to be too old to keep going. And apparently Ozzy heard about this. And just to spite Jay, he said that he's probably not going to retire for another five to ten years. So fuck you, 02:05:40.540 --> 02:06:09.720 Well, I just, it just proves one thing. I know more about what's going to happen to Ozzy than he does. There's no way. Bullshit. I don't buy it for a second to Ozzy. I don't think Ozzy will sing alive again. Maybe. Yeah, we'll see. Also, I think he's, well, fuck it. We already killed Leonard Cohen and Lemmy, so I'll just say I think he's probably going to be one of the next ones to go. His health is starting to fail. Okay. All right. Speaking of dead people. I'm tired of Jay's prediction. 02:06:10.340 --> 02:06:39.640 Yeah. So I turn in on this one with sure. Yes. Don't say, can I just chime in? No. So when I worked for tower, um, one of the times was during the, that first black Sabbath reunion. And so they did an autograph signing where they spent the day there. And I worked with a bunch of like ravers and shit. And, um, so they made sure that my job the whole day was to walk Ozzie and Tony Iommi and geezer Butler and bill ward. 02:06:39.760 --> 02:07:08.680 to the bathroom, stand behind them as they piss. Fuck yeah. To the cafeteria table and the Domino's pizza that they splurged on for Black Sabbath. Ozzy was the only other smoker at the time. So all day it would take me and my buddy like walking him outside so he can smoke and he would just say shit like stoop, stoop, stoop. And I saved all his cigarette butts because, you know. 02:07:09.760 --> 02:07:38.480 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the next night I was on the side of the stage, I got passes and the guys doing fucking cartwheels. Yeah. Yeah. Go figure. It made no sense. It made no sense. It's like, I don't know what they've been pumping him with for all the years, but I mean, just spending a day with him and being completely incoherent and needing people to help him stand. And then the next day he's like all over the goddamn stage. Who knows how long? 02:07:38.760 --> 02:08:05.800 is going to live. Yeah, he's not real. No, he's not real. Yeah. Well, and Steve has his DNA now, so we can expect. We can clone him. Yeah, no problem. I mean, he did jerry rig that record player. So, yeah. So, okay. You got the inside scoop. I don't, I'm positive. He's quit smoking by now. I know he has, but what brand of cigarettes was he smoking? Well, this was in the nineties. No, they're just Chesterfield. 02:08:12.640 --> 02:08:38.720 He just smoked Marlboros. I gave him to my friend who got all the same tattoos as Ozzy did. He was a weirdo. Oh, wow. He was like, I don't know. I don't hang out with that guy anymore. We all have a guy like that. That's a great part of the story. It was. All right. So the last news item, along with all the other 02:08:38.740 --> 02:09:08.720 things that have been postponed. The Dio Disciples album has been postponed. We care. I was like, wait, what? They're a band that covers Dio. What the fuck are they going to record? I don't care about either version of these bands. Well, I think Wendy Dio is their manager, though. Yeah, but what are you going to record? Dio songs without Dio? Nobody wants that. You're going to record new songs using Dio's name? Fuck that too. I don't know what's on them, George, but you need to know 02:09:08.740 --> 02:09:38.700 This is their third album. Wait, really? Yeah, they've got records out. I don't know anything about them. I've never heard one of them. There's two different versions of the band or former members. Fuck this. Fuck. That's all I gotta say. Fuck this. All right. New releases. New releases. First new release is the new 02:09:38.720 --> 02:10:07.580 ACDC album called Satan is King. You're like, wait, what? ACDC? No. ACXDC, which is Antichrist Demon Core. I thought it meant Times. Nope. AC Times DC. It's an LA grind band. This is their second full-length album, Satan is King. I thought it was Act Times Dick. It might be. But it's also Antichrist Demon Core. So it's cool. Check it out. Moving on. 02:10:08.740 --> 02:10:38.640 and less than a minute long on an album, there's about a 97% chance that LP is not for me, and such is the case with this band. Thank you, Mark. You're welcome, John. John wants us all to know it's an EP, and we can move on now. That's not even a single. Our second new release is one that probably most people haven't heard about. That's what I've been hearing. Nobody knew this album was coming out, and this is the new Centenex album, Death in Pieces. 02:10:38.960 --> 02:11:08.600 This is their 11th album. They're a Swedish death metal band. And yeah, I like, I've heard nothing. There's been like, no, I didn't, I don't think we got a promo. Maybe we did. But if we did, it was very last minute. It was last minute. I thought we got it. And yeah, I think Metal Storm is the only place that had this on their website. Yeah. So everybody's kind of like, what a new set next album. Yeah. Well, apparently there is. It's not bad for what it is. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. I mean, the main riffs are good, but the songs just have no variety to them. 02:11:08.720 --> 02:11:38.260 It's just chugged by numbers metal. So it doesn't do anything to tickle my nipples at all. And your nipples need tickling. They definitely do. All right. It was all right. I just kind of like exactly what you thought it was going to sound like. It's like a Vader album. I was going to say the exact same thing. Yeah, I would almost prefer if the production was shittier. I'd probably like it more. No, you're right. You're not wrong. 02:11:38.720 --> 02:12:08.700 a little too clean and that makes and that takes some interesting aspect out of it yeah i think you're exactly right because it's basically pro front line perfect it's too simple yeah i think i remember two years ago the last album i really liked it i just thought it had like great riffs and everything and i i listened to a little bit of the new one i'm like meh i mean i've always kind of liked them like for years i've been like yeah they're they're not bad but they've never really stood out either they're they're 02:12:32.719 --> 02:12:38.420 It's just like the right side of his face. 02:12:38.720 --> 02:13:07.640 that half the stash is missing like it's been burned off. I feel like he's judging us. I think it looks like an old western bar. It looks like it's still from Tombstone. It's Kurt Russell or is it Matt? Dude, are you there? So if we don't cut this out, for those of you listening, Dad of Northern Darkness has decided to join us late in the podcast. There he is. Dad of Northern Darkness descends upon the podcast. Shut up and see if he speaks. 02:13:08.720 --> 02:13:37.720 56k, Matt. He's still frozen. He froze again. Are you there, Matt? Oh, and he's gone. Oh, shoot. Oh, shit. I will get him if he comes back. He's probably restarting or something. It was good to meet him. That's what Matt looks like. Honestly, that's about as much as he usually says. You're not missing anything. Our Huckleberry will come back. He's the prog rat guy, right? No, no. Matt's really primary black metal and death metal. Oh, okay. Yep. 02:13:38.760 --> 02:14:08.660 He likes all like the avant-garde post black metal stuff that no one's ever heard of. And he makes up all the band names. Yeah, I was gonna say, Steve, none of these bands exist. But just think of Emperor and then move forward. You know, what the people who liked Emperor, what were they supposed to do once Emperor quit? He'll show you which way to go. He's back again. He's turning in. Stay on target. Almost there. 02:14:08.720 --> 02:14:12.740 He's got credits. I like that. It's like 02:14:14.080 --> 02:14:14.240 Oh 02:14:15.400 --> 02:14:16.640 He's frozen still 02:14:17.060 --> 02:14:18.400 Stash on target 02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:19.680 Connecting to audio 02:14:20.480 --> 02:14:21.800 He's not looking like heaven 02:14:22.040 --> 02:14:22.980 Connecting to audio 02:14:23.400 --> 02:14:27.060 It's like he's trying to talk to us, but he just opens his mouth and George gets excited 02:14:27.420 --> 02:14:29.320 He doesn't look like that Western sheriff anymore 02:14:29.540 --> 02:14:30.060 No, he has 02:14:30.520 --> 02:14:32.320 He apparently has old Western technology 02:14:33.820 --> 02:14:34.800 He's smiling 02:14:35.500 --> 02:14:36.720 He's smiling now 02:14:36.740 --> 02:15:06.320 Now, because you heard about George inserting his nipples. Yeah. His little fuzzy button. There he is. We see movement. We can't hear you, though. I hear a voice. I hear a voice. Why is it as weird? Let's shut up. It's all Wi-Fi. Can't hear you, Dad. We heard that? I heard you. No, you're all choppy, Matt. You're like barely. You're not on video. We just see, like, you moving in weird spots. 02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:36.060 Hook your ethernet cord up to your stash. I'll show you what you look like, Matt. It's like this. You look like this. Use your mustache as an antenna. Hear me? Yeah. That's that kind of thing. You look like Marty Fellman is what he's saying. I've got two guns, one for each of you. We're just going to keep talking, Matt. And when your shit gets straightened, you jump right in. It sounds like a good time for me to get to my phone. 02:15:37.240 --> 02:16:06.240 Was that a voice? Something about a phone. I think he's going to try his phone instead of his computer. Yeah, sounds like a good idea. Do that, do that, because this ain't working. It sounds like you're speaking through a ring out Markisan's rear end. Yeah, I was going to say, you sound like Markisan in the last episode. I feel like we're trying to, like, decode some lost transmissions. I think he, what? Yeah. I mean, the more people you know about. Timmy fell down the well. Yeah. No matter what you do, don't push that. 02:16:09.340 --> 02:16:36.240 All right. Well, he'll come back. We can keep going. Should we go to the next record? I guess so, yeah. So, okay. So, next album is the new Cosmic Putrefaction album, The Horizons Towards Witch Splendor Withers. That's, try drinking as much as I have in saying that. It's the second album from an Italian death metal band. I know a couple of the guys here dig that album. Yeah, I'm liking this one. 02:16:36.340 --> 02:17:06.000 a lot. Me too. I mean, it's funny that this album comes out on our list right after the Ascentinex and the new releases because it's exact opposite kind of death metal. And we just talked about it's, it has nipple spiking variety to it. It's excellent. Avant-garde, Black and Death with the, with cosmic undertones, I would say. Yes. And I would suggest that if you are interested that you listen to this on headphones, because there's a lot going on in the background. Totally agree with that. I, I, um, 02:17:06.340 --> 02:17:36.139 I decided to dig a French train. Yeah. French latrine. The French train in my backyard had some irrigation issues. And while I was doing that for about a good hour or so, I was listening to this album. I really like it. It's about what? 33 minutes, 34 minutes. It's short, but man. So it's an EP because it's less than the tombs. No, man. It's two. It's three. 02:17:36.340 --> 02:18:06.200 Three and a half. I'm interested with Markisan it. I will think. I think that's the perfect amount of time for this album. I don't know. There's no fad on it. Everything is just great about it. And I think it will probably show up on lists. It will. And it's a slight spiritual cousin. It's a slight spiritual cousin if only in form and name and album cover and a little bit of style to Planetary Clairvoyance. 02:18:06.320 --> 02:18:36.280 So it's interesting to see and also it's funny because the blood incantation has this science fiction theme to it too so I'm loving seeing this death metal science fiction thing going on. Anyway I love it too I think it's fucking great it's gonna be on my list without question. And it's cool because I was listening to Two Mold like right before we got this and I was just like. Two Mold. Two Mold. And I was like just kind of regretting that there wasn't something else to grab onto like that and then all of a sudden it showed up and I was like okay. Did you guys hear something? 02:18:36.320 --> 02:19:05.139 Yeah, what was that? Was it Matt? What was that noise? Sounds like a mustache. Matt, hello. Now it sucks again. That's a little better. It's better than the last thing. Yeah, say something now. It froze again. Just open your mouth really wide and just stare at George. There you go, that's perfect. Yeah, now George. 02:19:06.340 --> 02:19:35.599 It's like we're watching a kung fu film. Everybody was kung fu fighting. Everybody was face fucking. So Matt, where are you? I am in the city of Coon Rapids. Oh, okay. So he's not at home. That's why he's not in a good connection. Yeah, no, I'm not at home and that's why I'm having a little bit of difficulty connecting. And so if that's going to be a problem, just let me know. Shut up. You're worth it. 02:19:36.340 --> 02:20:06.240 We just like looking at you, your stash. I mean, look, you. Half an inch of Matt is better than no Matt at all. The general agreement, Matt, is that you're starting to look like an old Western bar to our saloon bartender. And that's the goal. That's the goal. Check. Hey, Matt, just real quick. You look like you might be in Boogie Nights. Are you wearing a prosthetic? 02:20:06.340 --> 02:20:06.840 Penis. 02:20:08.420 --> 02:20:08.860 No, no, no. 02:20:08.980 --> 02:20:09.460 He's not him. 02:20:09.460 --> 02:20:10.100 He would be Todd. 02:20:10.200 --> 02:20:11.200 He would be the dancer, guys. 02:20:11.340 --> 02:20:12.120 Are you thinking of me? 02:20:12.200 --> 02:20:12.600 That's like... 02:20:12.860 --> 02:20:14.060 Jay wins the prize. 02:20:14.480 --> 02:20:14.720 Yeah. 02:20:15.500 --> 02:20:16.400 I love that actor. 02:20:16.520 --> 02:20:17.900 It's Thomas Jane. 02:20:17.940 --> 02:20:18.420 Thomas Jane. 02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:19.560 Oh, fuck that. 02:20:19.560 --> 02:20:20.480 Fucking pimp, Matt. 02:20:20.780 --> 02:20:21.220 The Punisher? 02:20:22.260 --> 02:20:23.560 You ever see that movie? 02:20:23.720 --> 02:20:24.380 Yeah, that's Thomas Jane. 02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:25.140 Yeah. 02:20:25.480 --> 02:20:26.280 You ever see that movie, 02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:27.360 I'm Gonna Get You, Sucka? 02:20:27.800 --> 02:20:28.120 Yes. 02:20:28.260 --> 02:20:28.620 Of course. 02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:30.300 Bitch better have my money 02:20:30.820 --> 02:20:32.100 through rain, sea to snow. 02:20:32.859 --> 02:20:34.620 Not half, not some, 02:20:34.880 --> 02:21:04.820 But all my cash. Cause if she don't, I'll put my foot dead in her ass. All right. Okay then. Next album. Remind me not to owe Markisan money. Yeah. It looks like you got a drink. What are you drinking? To be honest, I had my beer. So I'm drinking like a red wine. My wife opened. All right. I'm a little blend. Should we get back to new releases? Let's do it. Yeah. All right. Yeah. 02:21:04.860 --> 02:21:34.320 As you can see, we haven't gotten very far. That's okay. So next up on the new releases is X Genesis and their full-length debut, which I will butcher the name of, and I'm going to say Solve et Coagula. I think you got it. That's a Death Doom album. They had an EP prior that was kind of popular on the podcast. Does anybody have anything? As a matter of fact, we reached out to them to be on the show, 02:21:34.460 --> 02:22:03.720 and they might have been on the show. I'm trying to remember. Maybe they're in New Zealand or something, but we reached out to them. No, one guy in Sweden and one guy from South America. There you go. That's what it was. Yeah, we touched base with them. We kind of went back and forth because so many of us liked that EP and it was very good. Oh, this is good too. I really liked it. Oh, it's good. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I like the new one too. Melodic Doom Death, man. It's real good. I was surprised actually. Yeah. Well, the first one is worth getting if you don't have it too. 02:22:04.480 --> 02:22:33.580 I'd never heard of this band before this. I think it's one of the guys from the band Enshine, which is also from Sweden, and they're a Death Doom band. Cool. I would say personally, this is my favorite one on the list outside of Paradise Lost and Trypticon. Way to spoil it! Sorry. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah, no, I got into it. 02:22:34.480 --> 02:23:04.280 The Floaty Chords. You know, you got one guy doing, like, the rhythm thing constantly, and one guy's just riding above it with these big open chords. I saw a lot of that on the Cosmic Future Faction, too, you know, but they had more like the Morbid Angel kind of riffs with the, you know, obscure floaty chords on top of it, you know, as a mix, but... Well, check out their first EP, too. It's called The Fodic Veil. I want to say 2015, maybe, or 16, one of the two. Yeah, I was 15, I think. 02:23:04.480 --> 02:23:06.360 It's definitely in the 20-somethings. 02:23:06.980 --> 02:23:07.100 Yeah. 02:23:08.040 --> 02:23:08.240 2015. 02:23:09.140 --> 02:23:09.960 Yeah, that's really good. 02:23:10.000 --> 02:23:17.320 I got to listen to it some more because I was surprised by this one and just need a little more time with it, but I really like it. 02:23:17.660 --> 02:23:17.760 Yeah. 02:23:19.020 --> 02:23:23.220 Next up, we have the new EP from Lore. 02:23:24.140 --> 02:23:24.900 L-O-R. 02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:27.400 But the funny thing is, it's not called an EP. 02:23:27.700 --> 02:23:28.740 That's why this whole thing started. 02:23:28.820 --> 02:23:29.440 Ah, here we go. 02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:31.160 Son of a bitch. 02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:35.120 Well, it's called, whatever it is, it's called Edge of Eternity. 02:23:35.580 --> 02:23:39.440 They're a progressive folk metal band, and I'm going to hand this over to John and just shut the fuck up. 02:23:40.220 --> 02:23:45.280 No, I mean, Will and I saw them at, were you there, George, when they played at Atlas? 02:23:45.500 --> 02:23:45.620 Nope. 02:23:47.040 --> 02:23:52.680 Yeah, Will is, I don't know, he's kind of sort of moving, but they were cool. 02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:56.080 I do not remember seeing Lord Atlas. 02:23:56.160 --> 02:23:56.660 You were there. 02:23:57.180 --> 02:23:57.340 Okay. 02:24:02.199 --> 02:24:28.160 I don't like this album at all. I can't get into this. I mean, I love progressive metal. It's not progressive metal, though. It's folk metal is what it is. Yeah, I don't like it. Okay, good for you. I thought it was pretty cheesy, but it's super 70s, man. Do you think that's 70s? No, I don't. 02:24:28.560 --> 02:24:57.700 There's nothing 70s about that album at all. I just think it's like typical power metal, but then it kind of, I listened to the next song and I'm like, all right, there's a little Fates warning in here. I didn't hear any Fates warning in that at all. There's a little Blind Guardian in it. I would agree more with the Blind Guardian. Is there any sex at all? No Kenny G, dude, no. Damn it! We can't say anything John likes. Oh, give it a rest, Markisan shit. 02:24:59.239 --> 02:25:00.580 But you were saying, Steve. 02:25:01.560 --> 02:25:20.120 Well, like in song two, when it kind of cuts out, the tempo changes, but the bass player kind of does that solo, maybe dream theater kind of thing. But just some of the choppiness, that second song. I did not listen to the whole album because I was getting angry. 02:25:24.640 --> 02:25:52.820 I got that feel, but maybe I listen to the whole thing. It's funny because I don't hear any of these bands you guys are mentioning for describing them, and I listen to all those bands. So you do hear The Blind Guardian, I think. I'm impressed with Steve's specificity of the music. It felt too busy to me, too. I don't know. I just didn't care for it. Steve's description of this is the point where I got angry is nice. 02:25:53.919 --> 02:26:22.840 I got to back John a little bit because I dig it. You know, I like it. So it's funny when I like it. It's like, oh, don't say anything. John likes it. I like it. I bought it. Oh, God. You do. You did. You just did. You know, you did. Did what? Oh, okay. I'm very sorry, Marc Cassano. I'll never say anything ever again about an album. Thank you. That was very genuine. No, that was 100% ungenuine. All right. 02:26:23.320 --> 02:26:23.740 Move on. 02:26:24.020 --> 02:26:27.760 Lore is when I'm driving back to my house tomorrow, I'm going to listen to Lore. 02:26:27.980 --> 02:26:28.620 Oh, there you go. 02:26:28.800 --> 02:26:29.520 Sucker for folk metal. 02:26:30.740 --> 02:26:32.780 And I'm going to have my windows down. 02:26:33.860 --> 02:26:34.960 Maybe hang something at the window. 02:26:36.460 --> 02:26:37.740 Enjoy half that song. 02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:39.720 All right. 02:26:39.900 --> 02:26:43.460 So we're going to move on to the Paradise Lost new album. 02:26:43.580 --> 02:26:45.820 Their 16th freaking album, Obsidian. 02:26:46.800 --> 02:26:48.320 Hopefully we can get a little more. 02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:52.340 I'm not allowed to say anything about it because I'll get defensive. 02:26:52.420 --> 02:27:22.300 All right. Well, I like it. You totally get defensive on that, John. No, I called you out for saying something that it's not. It's not. Anyway. Yeah. You never get defensive on anything, Marcus. Hasn't Matt suffered enough? I do get defensive about stuff, but I mean, I will admit it. Hey, Matt, aren't you glad you came on? It's so weird because if all the people became John probably like progressive metal. 02:27:22.420 --> 02:27:52.400 the most. And he's still like, you're arguing with me. But I thought this album was pretty good. It's an impressively varied record. I thought it kind of was like a puzzle piece of all their sounds of previous efforts, but it still felt kind of fresh to me. Not my favorite Paradise Lost album, but I still enjoyed listening to this one. I agree. Kind of plodding along at this point. There's nothing wrong with them, but their best years are behind them. And they're one of those bands that are like, okay, check in on them, see what they're doing. Yeah, no. It's just me. I mean, the first time I listened to them, 02:27:52.420 --> 02:28:22.380 I was kind of whatever. But then John was like, this is kind of good. And so I went back and listened again. And I was like, yeah, okay, I get it. It's, you know, and I agree with that. It's kind of the best parts from all the different eras. Kind of. I have to admit, I haven't listened to it based just so you know, before I mentioned my comment, it's just because of my comment, I haven't even listened to it yet. So, so now you've kind of made me think I better get on it. Yeah, no, it's, it's worth listening to, I'd say. Okay. And the more you listen to it, 02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:52.380 I think the better it gets for you too. Yeah, I mean, they put good albums all the time. The last thing I really liked by them was The Plague Within. And then the last two, what was it, Medusa? It was a snooze fest for me. And this one has kind of a snooze fest for me. It just hasn't hooked me. I listened to it a couple times in the background. I have not paid that much attention to it, but just nothing hooked. 02:28:52.420 --> 02:29:21.620 We're playing within hook me right away. Where these are sort of like, meh. So I take it back. Maybe they're like one of those bands who's like every third album. They kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah. Steve. Or every other album or whatever. Steve, it looked like you had a comment. Yeah, no, yeah. I'm raising my hand. I know. I was like. You don't raise your hand. You just take your pants off and you moon us until we're like, whoa. He wants to say something. Is there a button where I can go here? 02:29:21.640 --> 02:29:51.500 I can raise my hand. There it is. Yeah, well, I'll show you my butthole next time. Not on the first episode. Okay, well, I, yeah, I think Paradise Will Last, I mean, they're progenitors of, you know, Death Doom. I think Draconian Times was the best version of the Black Album by Metallica, and then they got real fucking weird, like real synthy, kind of shitty Depeche Mode, and then they're doing this, 02:29:51.640 --> 02:30:21.620 you know kind of recovery over the last few albums. I really liked this album. I thought it was cool. It took me a couple times but I was mowing the lawn and my shit was on repeat and I didn't like take my hand off the thing so I was stuck listening to it for like two and a half hours and yeah I thought it was good. I love his voice. Yeah. He's got a cool voice. It's true. I think it's the most varied I think I've heard it in a long time which I like that about it. You know for a few of those albums it just 02:30:21.640 --> 02:30:51.620 It felt like, not monotone, but it's still like the same for each song. This one has a lot more color to it. I like that part of it. Better songwriting. So next up, we have an album I think that we're maybe in a little more agreement on, and that is the new Sorcerer album, Lamenting of the Innocent. It's their third album. They're a Swedish epic doom metal band, and as far as I know, everybody likes this. I like it. I haven't spoken up about it yet, so I'll 02:30:51.660 --> 02:31:21.500 Put myself out there on the block. Go ahead. He sounds like he sounds a little bit like the singer sounds a little bit like the I'll murder his name the dude who came back to Candleman's. Oh. On the last record. With a J in his name. Yeah. It's like Johan or Johan something or other something Quist. At times he reminds me of him. Yeah. All right. That's fair. Yeah. I don't know. I like I like this. 02:31:21.640 --> 02:31:22.160 Yeah. 02:31:22.690 --> 02:31:22.800 John, 02:31:22.970 --> 02:31:23.280 what about you? 02:31:23.370 --> 02:31:24.380 Good anthemic choruses, 02:31:24.740 --> 02:31:25.900 good awesome doom riffs. 02:31:25.990 --> 02:31:27.560 I don't think it's as good as the last album. 02:31:28.020 --> 02:31:30.040 The crowning of the fire King was really good. 02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:30.380 I thought, 02:31:30.580 --> 02:31:31.140 but yeah, 02:31:31.280 --> 02:31:31.780 still a good spin. 02:31:32.720 --> 02:31:32.900 John. 02:31:33.480 --> 02:31:33.600 Yeah. 02:31:33.700 --> 02:31:33.960 It's, 02:31:34.300 --> 02:31:34.640 it's good, 02:31:34.720 --> 02:31:35.480 but it's a little long. 02:31:35.620 --> 02:31:35.980 I think, 02:31:36.650 --> 02:31:36.740 uh, 02:31:36.980 --> 02:31:38.580 it's definitely not as good as the last album. 02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:39.700 And I probably, 02:31:39.860 --> 02:31:40.500 it's a little long. 02:31:40.880 --> 02:31:42.300 Can you make that a sound bite? 02:31:42.760 --> 02:31:43.000 It's good. 02:31:43.380 --> 02:31:46.040 It's a little long in reference to will. 02:31:47.160 --> 02:31:47.260 Yeah. 02:31:47.900 --> 02:31:48.060 Well, 02:31:48.340 --> 02:31:49.300 even you're not that long. 02:31:49.330 --> 02:31:49.420 Well, 02:31:49.700 --> 02:31:49.820 but, 02:31:51.639 --> 02:32:19.820 No, it's I think but the bonus tracks it just makes it too long. It's fine. I like it. Yeah. All right, let's move on to our last new release which. All right. The new trypticon Requiem live road burn 2019. Let me just ask you did anybody get theirs yet anybody who ordered it. I haven't gotten the vinyl yet. Okay, I haven't either. I was just wondering if I 02:32:21.181 --> 02:32:49.760 I ordered the big God package just to do it. I did too. You know, on this podcast, I'm like a huge fucking Tom fan. I'm like fucking Celtic Frost, Trypticon, fucking woohoo. But I did not like this at all. Wow. At all. Nope. The first time I tried to listen to it, I got like a song and a half. 02:32:53.319 --> 02:33:19.320 And I came back, I was like, all right, I got to listen to the whole, and I made myself listen to the whole thing. And I was like, okay, Tom's on like the first track, right? Is he on any of the rest of it? Yeah, he's on all of it. I mean, because it's mostly orchestral stuff that is not metal at all. And I mean, if I was there for the show, I probably would have fucking loved this. But as a live album, I think this is completely, 02:33:19.860 --> 02:33:21.180 and horribly fucking boring. 02:33:23.619 --> 02:33:27.420 So I'm just going to throw that and walk away while the rest of you shit on me. 02:33:28.479 --> 02:33:30.680 And I say that in a nice way. 02:33:31.640 --> 02:33:33.140 I don't mind if you shit on me. 02:33:34.200 --> 02:33:34.640 Because seriously. 02:33:35.500 --> 02:33:41.520 I could understand that because I mean, I like the gorgeous atmospheric atmosphere of the album. 02:33:41.780 --> 02:33:43.420 And I love the recording of it. 02:33:43.420 --> 02:33:44.660 It felt like you're there. 02:33:44.780 --> 02:33:45.740 It's so crystal clear. 02:33:45.920 --> 02:33:46.500 It's so good. 02:33:47.200 --> 02:33:48.440 It's just not very interesting. 02:33:48.500 --> 02:33:54.160 I like classical music. 02:33:57.880 --> 02:33:59.500 Who's the person playing the kids? 02:34:00.860 --> 02:34:01.480 That's Matt. 02:34:03.980 --> 02:34:05.200 I wrote my diary. 02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:07.920 He's just doing Stephen Hawking. 02:34:12.580 --> 02:34:13.060 Sorry. 02:34:14.020 --> 02:34:16.400 So I'll say what I like about it. 02:34:16.560 --> 02:34:17.860 And I like it in general. 02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:46.980 I like how it sounds. I mean, I think it's good. It's a good record. But it really is the culmination of, I mean, this was written across such a long space of time. The fact that it's called Requiem is great, too. I think this has a lot more to do with Martin Nain than he has said publicly. I think this is kind of his nod to him. He hadn't written that second part. The first one comes from the Celtic Frost thing, and then the Winter, which I think is that beautiful cello thing at the end, comes from the very last thing that you hear on a Celtic Frost record. 02:34:47.080 --> 02:35:15.740 And then he went back and wrote this middle part. And I really think this is his chronicle of that journey, the Celtic Frost journey in general. And partially, he probably is telling me I was full of shit, but partially his relationship with Martin A. And if you keep that in mind and kind of deal with it, to be this dedicated, to have taken this many years to have completed this and then do it, I don't know. I think I was thinking about that when I listened to it and it just was meaningful for me. And it's good. I like it. 02:35:16.280 --> 02:35:46.040 But I don't think your comments are invalid, by the way. And, you know, if you like it, that's great. I'm not trying to poop on it much. I tried. But I just, you know, as a huge Tom fan, I was kind of let down. I was like, this is not very interesting to me. I mean, it's not. It's not metal. It's hardly metal at all. There's like a couple of guitars, but it's mostly orchestral, which is fine. 02:35:46.120 --> 02:36:16.080 I like orchestral stuff, but it just didn't move me. And I'm probably as shocked as you are. You know, Musil helps sometimes. And I'm not going to judge anybody for liking it. If you like it, you like it. I just wasn't moved by it. Hey, what's going on with the whole dispute with, you know, Hellhammer with Mia and 02:36:16.100 --> 02:36:46.080 Well, he answered her. He wrote a big diatribe today. So did you read it today? I saw it, but I did not because I was like freaking out about this thing that we're doing. Well, Tom, Tom, Tom will over explain. I mean, for a guy, first of all, if there was ever a man whose glasses more half empty than that guy, there isn't, you know, I mean, just Tom is, is that way. But he, um, he explains it pretty well. If you read it, I mean, he, and he's always kind of cold and 02:36:46.760 --> 02:37:16.080 I think if you read it you'll it's it's almost like what we were talking about the Michael Jordan thing it's almost like that where it's just sort of like he kind of comes across as a prick but you're like but I see your point and it was your dedication to this and that so read it if you feel so inclined she kind of looks like she brought a knife to a gunfight once you read his response which is to say she had just some sharp things to say and so I was like well let me give you the full complete fucking history and explain to you emotionally where I was and what happened you know he goes on and on and on so you know what they say don't 02:37:16.100 --> 02:37:45.800 Don't bring a knife to a gun fight and don't bring a gun to an airstrike. Yeah. But so the sorry go ahead Steve. No no no I Tom Warrior for me I I really like that live album I thought it was cool it's definitely on at least better than Cold Lake or. Well that's true I'll give you that. But I even like a couple songs at Cold Lake I I just think that you know as a person you develop and he's one of those people that really is true to him. 02:37:46.659 --> 02:38:16.020 You know, himself, he's invented a style of music, even, you know, when that album that nobody likes went on, I still kind of fucking like it. And, um, for me, he's, he's absolutely one of my heroes. And, um, just somebody that, you know, I, I deeply respect even with the sock cap and the weird mascara when he does, but he's, um, yeah, no, he's a genuine fucking influencer of everything. 02:38:16.120 --> 02:38:16.980 that we're doing right now. 02:38:18.380 --> 02:38:18.480 Yeah. 02:38:19.100 --> 02:38:25.340 I just saw on Messenger, I don't know if you guys talked about this when I was in the bathroom, but Jay chose his album of the month. 02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:26.720 That's right, I did. 02:38:26.960 --> 02:38:27.220 Yeah. 02:38:27.580 --> 02:38:29.540 I felt bad about pooping on that. 02:38:29.900 --> 02:38:30.200 No, no, no. 02:38:30.300 --> 02:38:30.680 Don't worry about it. 02:38:30.800 --> 02:38:36.580 And I was kind of holding off on that and was really considering it partially because it is a little abstract and weird and stuff. 02:38:38.239 --> 02:38:38.880 Hollywood vampires. 02:38:40.800 --> 02:38:47.140 I've never put a live album on my top albums of the year, but I am considering putting that one on there. 02:38:47.420 --> 02:38:58.720 Well, it's worth considering, if only because Mark is on it also does have new music on it. So it kind of breaks the trend with live albums. 02:38:59.120 --> 02:39:03.740 I agree. I think that's the thing that might put it over the top for me. I don't know if it's going to make it or not. 02:39:04.640 --> 02:39:05.220 No rules. 02:39:05.480 --> 02:39:08.040 And the new music is a lot. There's a lot of new music. 02:39:08.240 --> 02:39:38.120 I saw a lot of new music. I can't wait to get the thing, too, because it comes with a DVD and everything. Yeah, me too. You brought the big package, too. I got the big package, and I know I have packages downstairs, so I'm hoping I'm going to get it today, but who knows? I've ordered a lot of records, so I have no idea. I have no idea what's coming right now. I've done some drunk buying Markisan this, so there are records showing up at this house on a pretty regular clip right now, and I'm like, what the fuck? Did I order this? That's happened at least twice. Nothing I didn't want. I was just like, oh, 02:39:39.899 --> 02:40:06.920 And the Bandcamp thing's coming up pretty soon, so we're all going to drunk Bandcamp that, I know. Oh, yeah. And George, I fixed my connection, so you will see me Bandcamping again. I was telling George I'm a moron. I couldn't figure out how to get my iPod to work on this new laptop, and so it wasn't worth buying music I couldn't put onto it. I was getting music in other ways. Yeah, he hasn't bought anything on Bandcamp in like a year. Well, I bought that adapter. I got an adapter. Well, but I'm buying it through other sources. Yeah, yeah. 02:40:08.100 --> 02:40:38.020 But in any case, I will be back bandcamping and I'll wait for this. I'll be honest. I bandcamp more because I started being on the Metalhead podcast with you guys. So many good suggestions and there's just so much stuff on bandcamp and you get such good quality recordings. But I mean, I was on it, but I feel like I'm just buying more things because of all the great suggestions. Yeah. Yeah. The feeds. Yeah. I mean, it's great. I do it. I do more banking. 02:40:38.080 --> 02:41:07.380 I haven't camped in anything now. In fact, I can't remember the last time I bought anything on iTunes because... Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I want the flack. Exactly. I haven't bought iTunes in at least, like, probably almost as long as the podcast has been. Like, four, five, six years since I've bought anything on iTunes because you gotta have... Baby got flack. I don't use iTunes. I mean, I basically just stream stuff on Bandcamp. You know, I used to download all my albums and put them on. 02:41:08.100 --> 02:41:13.340 the phone, but now I just usually use Bandcamp if I want to listen to an album or I'm going to listen to it on headphones. 02:41:15.739 --> 02:41:21.060 All right, so let's move on to the Metal Thunderdome. 02:41:22.100 --> 02:41:27.920 This time it is Will, and I will let him introduce the albums that will pair off. 02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:34.160 Is this thing on? 02:41:35.040 --> 02:41:35.960 Do you hear me? 02:41:37.380 --> 02:41:37.780 Wait, what? 02:41:37.840 --> 02:42:07.720 So obviously, if you behind the scenes, you know what our Metal Thunderdome is, it's clearly inspired by me and probably the rest of us watching Bird in the front row about the Bay Area thrash scene. So the Metal Thunderdome this week is the debut albums of two Bay Area thrash bands, which is Exodus, Bonded by Blood, and Testament, The Legacy, which, little known fact, Testament, 02:42:07.840 --> 02:42:37.660 The Testament's band used to be called The Legacy. But they got busted and had to change it. I didn't know they got busted. I thought it was more like... There was another band called that, and so they changed it. But anyway, so I have to admit that I like Exodus. For me, Exodus is more of like the toxic waltz and the kind of fun, campy sort of stuff. 02:42:37.820 --> 02:43:07.780 they did, but then when you watch the, or watch, or I guess read, if you watch the Murder in the Front Row, you really see that most of the people, you know, whether it's guys in Slayer, Megadeth, or Metallica, Bonded by Blood, the debut album by Exodus is really, like, they're all just like in all of it. I'm like, I need to go back and listen to this. 02:43:07.840 --> 02:43:16.680 this is pretty good like and i've never been it's weird because i love overkill and and bobby blitz ellsworth has 02:43:16.940 --> 02:43:23.080 like a really really distinct voice that just grates people the wrong way but somehow i'm sort of like meh i'm good with that 02:43:23.680 --> 02:43:37.800 but some but exodus every single one of exodus's singers except for rob dukes i was like yeah you know it kind of grates on me but when i went back and listened to bottom up i was like this is really fucking good like this is hardcore thrash and when you when you 02:43:37.800 --> 02:44:07.780 look at it as in we're in the front row and listen to it it's like wow this is this is like pretty cutting-edge stuff so i just put it up against the legacy from testament so let's go let yeah let's start with steve steve which one of these do you pick i already know what's gonna win just just say no yeah i'm sure you do um 100 02:44:07.820 --> 02:44:37.140 this. You know, Skolnick's an amazing guitar player. Indeed. He's amazing. Speaking of guitar players, he's playing guitar. Is that you, Will? Sorry. Will's fucking playing guitar. All right. Sorry. Carry on, Steve. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I'm, uh, I'll put on mute. I, and I, I am really sorry I haven't met you yet, but it's nice to meet you. I am Steve. Oh, yeah. Man, Steve, Steve, man. Shit. 02:44:37.800 --> 02:45:07.760 It's good to meet you, Steve. Yeah, you too, man. If you can hear me. Yeah, I can. I would say Skolnick was like the tasty, like guitar player that got A's in school and like really paid attention at guitar lessons. And, you know, Exodus is just raw, man. I think it's way more funk rock. And, you know, that's my way. So I'm going to Exodus all day. Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, on paper, this is a tough one. 02:45:07.840 --> 02:45:37.760 It's a tough one, but even though Exodus really helped pioneer the thrash sound, this is not a contest for me. I'm going the opposite direction. I like Testaments, the Legacy, about 666 times better. Ooh. All right. Matt, what do you got? Oh, man. So, strangely enough, when I was a kid, reading Guitar World magazine, I think it was Good, Friendly, Violent Fun, was a magazine, or was an album that I loved. 02:45:37.820 --> 02:46:06.900 I learned of, but of course, did not have the opportunity to listen to it. And strangely enough, my first Exodus album was Shovelhead, a Killing Machine. Wow. And the first time I saw them live was with... Wait, really? Yeah, I know, I know. He's younger. I'm a baby. No, but you're not that much younger. I'm a baby. Not as much of a baby as Dave. No, I think Steve and I are the same year. Oh, wait, maybe. Graduation, 97. 02:46:07.800 --> 02:46:35.360 7. Yeah. All right. All right. You're the same as Steve. Big episode. I'm so glad you picked that year. Interesting. The first time I saw them live was on that tour with Rob Dukes. And so I was actually confused because I was like, that doesn't look like this year for Exodus. Long story short, I went back and listened to both. I've always loved Testament. I've always loved Exodus, but I'm an Exodus guy on this one. Excellent. 02:46:37.820 --> 02:46:39.780 That moves us on to John. 02:46:41.060 --> 02:47:04.700 So I went in thinking that I already made my pick before even listening to them. And I listened to both albums and I came away changing my mind. And I went with Exodus because to me, it's way more aggressive. I realized Testament kind of got screwed because they released their album later than most of these bands, even though they've been around as long as all these bands. 02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:34.380 But I just felt that the songs, the structure of the songs are more varied. The one issue I have with the Testament album is that as a former drummer, it's just a lot of the same kind of fast-paced beats on most of it. Whereas I thought X's, while they have that, it's a little more varied. So I appreciated that more for my own personal life. So I went with X's. Tom Hunting. All right. 02:47:38.159 --> 02:48:02.120 When I went into this, I thought this was going to be a super easy decision for Testament. And after I listened to Bonded by Blood quite a bit, like a lot, because the Testament Legacy album was ingrained in my head, like in my childhood. And I had Bonded by Blood growing up, but I just kind of dismissed it. 02:48:04.140 --> 02:48:33.000 Listening to Bonded by Blood over and over and over again recently, I still love it. But weirdly enough, I'm still going to go with Testament, the legacy as my pick. Especially now, Exodus is not one of those bands that I ever... I love them, but they weren't in that top tier. They were sort of like, yeah, they'll put something out and I'll buy it and I'll like it. And quite frankly, 02:48:34.140 --> 02:48:59.940 in a weird sort of way with Matt. I think some of their Rob Duke stuff was some of their best stuff they ever put out as far as how heavy it was. I feel like under Rob Duke's, they finally caught up to some of the other thrash bands. But Testaments to Legacy, that was my childhood. That and The New Order. 02:49:04.180 --> 02:49:05.860 kind of for nostalgia reasons. 02:49:06.900 --> 02:49:08.180 But if I had to pick 02:49:09.060 --> 02:49:09.340 now, 02:49:10.520 --> 02:49:11.880 it would be a little bit 02:49:12.400 --> 02:49:14.160 closer. I guess I am picking now, but 02:49:14.260 --> 02:49:15.220 it is closer now. 02:49:18.080 --> 02:49:19.980 It's not as one-sided as you thought. 02:49:20.479 --> 02:49:21.360 Right, right. 02:49:22.560 --> 02:49:23.960 Exactly. What George said. 02:49:24.240 --> 02:49:24.320 Yeah. 02:49:25.020 --> 02:49:26.780 Which is how these have been going. 02:49:27.240 --> 02:49:27.400 Yeah. 02:49:27.700 --> 02:49:28.440 Yeah, that's just as hard. 02:49:29.800 --> 02:49:31.140 I'm going to torch you when we get to mine. 02:49:31.400 --> 02:49:32.080 You guys are going to hate it. 02:49:33.080 --> 02:49:34.660 But my, so, so, um, 02:49:35.440 --> 02:49:35.820 You're next. 02:49:36.659 --> 02:49:38.980 Well, I mean, you mean I'm the next one to pick? 02:49:39.060 --> 02:49:39.480 Yeah, yeah. 02:49:39.900 --> 02:49:39.960 Both. 02:49:40.020 --> 02:49:40.940 I'm going to fuck you over. 02:49:41.050 --> 02:49:42.120 John already knows what it is, 02:49:42.400 --> 02:49:44.200 and John probably always a headache thinking about it, 02:49:44.300 --> 02:49:45.580 but I had, um, 02:49:45.780 --> 02:49:46.860 this was easy for me. 02:49:47.160 --> 02:49:49.900 This was easy for me because I, um, 02:49:51.220 --> 02:49:52.160 I, well, first off, 02:49:52.340 --> 02:49:53.580 Bonded by Blood is, um, 02:49:54.359 --> 02:49:57.640 more than, than you guys will have learned this from the, um, 02:49:58.279 --> 02:49:59.700 documentary that we all just watched. 02:50:00.360 --> 02:50:02.560 Metallica really only lived in San Francisco for like two months. 02:50:02.700 --> 02:50:32.680 They were gone. They went off and did their tour. Exodus was actually the center of that scene. They were everybody's band. San Francisco, East Bay, Exodus was the fucking band. People loved Metallica when they were here and everything and they thought they were great, but the people that packed Ruthie's in more often than any other band was Exodus. And Bonded by Blood was written in this scene. They walk you through the song, by the way, in the doc. I'm sure you guys remember. Murder in the Front Row. Yep, bang your head upon the stage. Then there's blood upon the stage and there's a reason for that. You can watch the documentary 02:50:32.720 --> 02:51:02.680 if you want to know why that is. The broken glass. And then just for me personally, Bill, you mentioned your childhood, and I can still remember ordering The Ultimate Revenge, VHS, Venom, Exodus, and Slayer live in New York. So the Venom footage actually comes from whatever the fuck that place is in England. And I've watched that 800 times, and the Exodus and Slayer footage in there is fucking awesome. Long story short, Bonded by Blood is definitely a more important record, and I also 02:51:02.700 --> 02:51:32.500 I think it's a better record or at least appeals to my taste more. I'm going Bounded by Blood. I would also put out a shout out. I think I've done it before, but I agree that one of the best areas of Exodus is the Rob Dukes era. Is that a question? No, I, um, Jay, I think what you said is one of the most important things was Bounded by Blood was one of the most important records. I know. Absolutely. Yeah. To the Bay Area thrash scene. Like it was in the books. They say that too. Like a lot of the fans were like that. They were like, everybody talks about Metallica, but Exodus was our band. 02:51:32.720 --> 02:52:02.540 That record was written, recorded, and blah, blah, blah, all in that mess. And they all felt like this is our record. And I think the documentary that I watched, not that I watched, but my interpretation of Burden in the Front Row was clearly that Exodus was clearly the center of that scene. And then you had these almost posers from Los Angeles area coming up just for this guy named Cliff Burton. Who was this guy? 02:52:04.319 --> 02:52:32.680 Not that Metallica's not a better band. And they are, obviously. But whatever. I mean, anyway, it's cool. But yeah, Bonded by Blood. So where are we at right now? Are we at a tie or anything? It's John Bonded by Blood, Jay Bonded by Blood, I believe Matt. Steve. And Steve. 42. So 42. So what are you going to bring us, George? So I love both these albums. I really do. And I listened to both of them today just to 02:52:32.720 --> 02:52:33.980 Back this up. 02:52:36.020 --> 02:52:43.340 And on paper, as was previously stated, on paper, The Legacy is a better album. 02:52:45.220 --> 02:52:47.700 But I gotta go Bonded by Blood. 02:52:48.761 --> 02:52:50.380 Because, uh... 02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:54.240 Thank you, Will. 02:52:56.680 --> 02:52:57.760 Sorry, I thought I was on mute. 02:52:58.100 --> 02:52:58.220 Nope. 02:53:02.040 --> 02:53:02.680 Um... 02:53:02.680 --> 02:53:32.580 When these albums both came out, because I was there for both of the releases for these albums, Bonded by Blood is like the most important thrash album of the 80s for me, to be perfectly honest. When that came out, you know, in the 80s, there was a lot of tape trading. And in my small local metal scene, I got a copy of Bonded by Blood from somebody. And I was like, holy shit. 02:53:33.659 --> 02:53:35.020 This singer sucks. 02:53:37.660 --> 02:53:39.480 And they say that a lot in the documentary, by the way. 02:53:39.480 --> 02:53:39.800 They do. 02:53:40.720 --> 02:53:48.420 But at the same time, the fucking raw power of this album blew me away. 02:53:51.059 --> 02:54:02.120 And to this day, I mean, one of my absolute favorite, if I have like a top five, maybe even albums from the 80s, this would be in there. 02:54:02.360 --> 02:54:30.480 Definitely a top ten. Probably a top five. You know, fucking Rain and Blood, Master of Puppets, Bonded Blood would be in there. I fucking loved this album when it came out. Murder in the Front Row, Crowd Begins to Bang and There's Blood Upon the Stage. Bang your head against the stage and metal takes its price. Bonded by Blood. I mean, that is the fucking spirit of metal in the 80s. 02:54:32.800 --> 02:54:32.900 this. 02:54:34.180 --> 02:54:34.460 You know. 02:54:35.240 --> 02:54:35.540 And. 02:54:37.420 --> 02:54:37.600 You know. 02:54:37.760 --> 02:54:39.440 If you come into this now. 02:54:39.860 --> 02:54:39.980 Like. 02:54:40.600 --> 02:54:41.840 30 some odd years later. 02:54:42.460 --> 02:54:43.840 It's easy to look at it on paper. 02:54:43.920 --> 02:54:44.200 And go. 02:54:44.320 --> 02:54:44.420 Yeah. 02:54:44.620 --> 02:54:45.260 This one's better. 02:54:45.979 --> 02:54:46.460 Technically. 02:54:46.700 --> 02:54:47.840 The Testament album is better. 02:54:49.500 --> 02:54:49.800 But. 02:54:50.560 --> 02:54:52.080 To be in the 80s. 02:54:52.240 --> 02:54:53.540 And to hear these albums. 02:54:55.100 --> 02:54:57.560 This album fucking blew my mind. 02:54:58.320 --> 02:54:58.680 I mean. 02:54:58.840 --> 02:54:59.880 More so than Metallica. 02:55:00.160 --> 02:55:01.680 More so than Anthrax. 02:55:02.040 --> 02:55:02.620 Testament, 02:55:03.620 --> 02:55:04.220 even Slayer. 02:55:05.360 --> 02:55:08.680 This was the fucking album of the eighties that was thrashed to me. 02:55:10.140 --> 02:55:11.860 I assume you guys know about it, 02:55:11.980 --> 02:55:12.640 but I'm going to say it. 02:55:12.640 --> 02:55:13.180 Cause if you don't, 02:55:13.180 --> 02:55:13.940 you might be kind of shocked, 02:55:14.500 --> 02:55:16.000 but you Rob Duke's supporters. 02:55:16.130 --> 02:55:18.500 You do know that we recorded this record with Rob Duke's on vocals. 02:55:18.700 --> 02:55:18.900 Don't you? 02:55:19.260 --> 02:55:19.540 Yeah. 02:55:19.939 --> 02:55:20.300 Unfortunately, 02:55:21.340 --> 02:55:22.440 I listened to it. 02:55:22.620 --> 02:55:22.800 Um, 02:55:22.910 --> 02:55:24.600 I actually prefer the original better. 02:55:24.710 --> 02:55:24.820 Yeah, 02:55:24.880 --> 02:55:25.060 me too. 02:55:25.360 --> 02:55:25.420 Yeah. 02:55:25.900 --> 02:55:26.240 I do too. 02:55:26.520 --> 02:55:29.300 It's like twisted sister redoing still hungry, 02:55:29.830 --> 02:55:31.020 whatever the fuck that shit was. 02:55:31.130 --> 02:55:31.220 Yeah. 02:55:31.240 --> 02:56:00.440 Wait, did they actually do that? They did. They re-recorded Stay Hungry. Yeah, it's called Still Hungry. Oh, why? Exactly. They said they were not pleased with the production, namely that the guitars weren't heavy enough and stuff, and they just let it go, and they should have fought harder, and blah, blah, blah. Wait, wait, so is Still Hungry good? No, I listened to it like once. It's weird. They got Ivan Moody to do the vocals. Yeah. Well, it's just weird. 02:56:01.899 --> 02:56:30.780 You know the songs so well. And to hear them again, slightly different, it's just weird. Yeah, it's off. You should have just remixed the album. Yeah. Absolutely. It's weird. Absolutely. Yeah. When I heard, what is the new version of Bonded by Blood called? Let There Be Blood. Let There Be Blood. Yeah. I actually thought it was slower. Like they slowed it down. And maybe I'm crazy, but. 02:56:31.240 --> 02:56:32.920 I listened to it like once so I don't know 02:56:33.560 --> 02:56:35.240 I listened to it a couple times but I still 02:56:35.380 --> 02:56:36.880 prefer the original I mean 02:56:37.460 --> 02:56:39.240 the new album cover is a little bit 02:56:39.380 --> 02:56:40.720 better Paul Bailoff 02:56:41.440 --> 02:56:43.520 you know as is mentioned in the documentary 02:56:43.740 --> 02:56:44.940 couldn't sing a fucking lick 02:56:45.480 --> 02:56:46.560 but the spirit 02:56:47.440 --> 02:56:49.120 in this man the fucking 02:56:49.580 --> 02:56:50.180 metal the 02:56:51.780 --> 02:56:53.240 you know the whole thing in the 02:56:53.400 --> 02:56:55.320 documentary is about how he would fucking call 02:56:55.360 --> 02:56:57.280 out the posers and shit you know 02:56:57.740 --> 02:56:59.400 it was so fucking 02:56:59.640 --> 02:57:29.240 Ingenuine. In 1985 or whatever it was, that came through in the music. And it was like, fuck yeah. If I knew him, dude, and I was 15 or something, I probably would have followed the guy to my death. You know what I mean? I would have been like, yeah, dude, fucking kill posers, man, bro. Exactly. I mean, when Zitro came in, I was like, all right, I dig Zitro. But I would really. And Peter. But I really would have liked to have heard Pleasures of the Flesh. 02:57:31.299 --> 02:57:32.360 with Bailoff singing. 02:57:33.840 --> 02:57:34.720 Because I think it would have been better. 02:57:36.320 --> 02:57:38.200 It came back for a while before he died. 02:57:39.199 --> 02:57:40.180 That's rough when they 02:57:40.820 --> 02:57:42.280 go visit his grave and stuff, isn't it? 02:57:42.280 --> 02:57:42.740 You can tell. 02:57:45.100 --> 02:57:46.020 They never really say, 02:57:46.200 --> 02:57:48.740 and I don't know my mental history about Exodus well enough, 02:57:48.920 --> 02:57:51.800 but did he just get too drunk and too... 02:57:51.820 --> 02:57:52.220 He had a stroke. 02:57:52.440 --> 02:57:52.820 Burn out? 02:57:53.040 --> 02:57:53.560 He had a stroke. 02:57:53.940 --> 02:57:55.140 No, but early... 02:57:55.200 --> 02:57:58.360 No, not how he died, but why he left. 02:57:58.920 --> 02:58:28.280 I actually thought that he left because he died. No. But he didn't die until like 20 years later. Yeah. No. 20. Well, hold on. I'll tell you right now because I just have to be on the Wikipedia page. Let's see. I do love how Jay like spends a lot of time looking stuff up and not paying attention to the conversation. But it comes back very useful. It comes back very useful. He's like, well, I haven't listened to anything he said in the last 10 minutes, but I'm about to tell you it's on the website. 02:58:28.400 --> 02:58:58.360 Well, you're going to find this wholly unsatisfying, Will, because it's your patent answer. And it's shortly after touring for Bounded by Blood, Bialafo was fired from the band, reason being personal and musical differences. Isn't that? Meaning they didn't think he was good enough. Or whatever, but you know, so that's how that went. And then, and then, I didn't know this, he went to sing for several Bay Area bands, one called Piranha, but he also sang for Heathen and Hyricks. Yeah, I thought they were like, oh, I didn't know that. I thought they were just like guest spots, though. Presumably, I don't know if it was anything. 02:59:01.999 --> 02:59:02.800 I mean, 02:59:02.920 --> 02:59:06.960 he used to piss and squirt guns and just squirt them at people that he invited to his house. 02:59:07.380 --> 02:59:07.580 Yeah. 02:59:07.900 --> 02:59:08.840 He was fucking insane, 02:59:09.140 --> 02:59:09.220 man. 02:59:09.680 --> 02:59:09.820 Yeah. 02:59:09.900 --> 02:59:10.780 They talk about the, 02:59:10.800 --> 02:59:10.940 uh, 02:59:11.120 --> 02:59:12.440 the destruction of the, 02:59:12.540 --> 02:59:14.620 his house and parties and yeah, 02:59:14.620 --> 02:59:14.840 it just, 02:59:14.940 --> 02:59:15.000 yeah. 02:59:15.540 --> 02:59:16.280 Dude was a crazy. 02:59:16.740 --> 02:59:17.600 He was fucking metal. 02:59:18.200 --> 02:59:19.240 That's all there was to it. 02:59:19.560 --> 02:59:21.520 And you know, 02:59:21.900 --> 02:59:22.000 I, 02:59:22.140 --> 02:59:22.900 I fucking miss him. 02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:23.260 I, 02:59:23.400 --> 02:59:24.400 I wish there was more. 02:59:25.400 --> 02:59:26.800 He was 41 when he died. 02:59:27.160 --> 02:59:57.040 He had a stroke that left him in a coma and then he ultimately died of heart failure while in the coma. There you go. Coma is a terrible man. I've been in one. Yeah. Have you really? Yeah. I had advanced diverticulitis where they. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. I know what that is too. And my lower intestine pretty much exploded. So I went septic. Oh, geez. I have diverticulitis. I had to go three years with the shipping. 02:59:58.479 --> 03:00:02.640 and then get reconstructive colon surgery and then have them reattach me. 03:00:03.660 --> 03:00:05.400 Well, that makes me want to take care of myself. 03:00:06.960 --> 03:00:10.340 I don't think that helps, does it? I mean, you just get that or you don't. 03:00:10.600 --> 03:00:11.900 Well, I have it. I have it. 03:00:12.440 --> 03:00:17.340 Well, I'm sure I accelerated it. I mean, it was kind of a nutbag when I was younger. 03:00:17.920 --> 03:00:20.060 But who knows? I don't know. 03:00:20.659 --> 03:00:26.240 I knew a guy I used to work with who had that pretty bad, the same thing, like not coma, 03:00:26.900 --> 03:00:56.800 but hospitalized shitbag and the whole thing. Well, we'll all remember this happened to Mike. What's this fuck to try out from job. Yeah. The dude from what's his last name? Schneid. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you made it through it, Steve. Yeah. How long ago was this? Steve? Six, seven, seven years ago. Damn. God damn. Interesting story, buddy. 03:00:56.880 --> 03:01:24.780 Yeah. And you had kids. Your kids were pretty grown by then. Well, actually, when I had my daughter, she was just born and I couldn't hold her because I had all these drainage tubes all around my body and she'd pull at them. Yeah. But you know what? I was already married, so it's cool. So what was the final count on that of five to two? I think so. Just me and Will for testing. Yeah. 03:01:26.880 --> 03:01:31.440 I came up with this and I thought this is going to be easy but the more I 03:01:31.660 --> 03:01:56.860 listened to Bonda by Blood I was like oh I can be drawn in that but I just keep remembering back to my teenage years and just like how much I loved Testament and it was a great album yeah I still kind of think the same way with me well you know the I just listened to it more and I still would listen to it more than yeah if I had if you chose like hey what 03:01:56.880 --> 03:02:00.160 Which one do you want to listen to today? I'm going to pick the legacy over 03:02:00.940 --> 03:02:02.180 bonded by blood, but 03:02:02.420 --> 03:02:04.660 my appreciation for bonded by blood has 03:02:04.920 --> 03:02:05.980 grown exponentially. 03:02:06.780 --> 03:02:08.660 It's a seminal album like everybody was 03:02:08.840 --> 03:02:10.700 saying. So I mean, it makes sense that I 03:02:10.860 --> 03:02:12.280 thought that I would be the only one actually 03:02:12.480 --> 03:02:14.760 picking test. I think that by 03:02:15.100 --> 03:02:16.140 legacy had more reverb. 03:02:16.560 --> 03:02:17.860 Yeah, for sure. 03:02:19.500 --> 03:02:20.500 Yeah, it's 03:02:20.920 --> 03:02:22.140 a little muddy, you know, 03:02:22.440 --> 03:02:24.620 a little. I mean, the 03:02:24.820 --> 03:02:26.840 legacy is probably one of the worst 03:02:28.320 --> 03:02:56.820 It's pretty poorly. It is fucking horrible. And while the music on it is great, and that's what pulls it through, if anything from the 80s needs to be remastered, it's that fucking album. You know, weirdly enough, exactly what you guys are kind of talking about. I feel as though Exodus is now hitting a stride with the Rob Dukes era, and now that Zetra is back, and Gary 03:02:56.840 --> 03:02:59.060 maybe like focusing more 03:02:59.760 --> 03:03:01.020 on Exodus is like 03:03:01.540 --> 03:03:03.100 Exodus is kind of like hitting a stride like 03:03:03.500 --> 03:03:04.820 they're kind of like all the other 03:03:05.740 --> 03:03:07.240 thrash bands of the 80s 03:03:07.360 --> 03:03:08.720 like Metallica, Megadeth like 03:03:09.100 --> 03:03:10.800 they're declined like they suck 03:03:11.440 --> 03:03:12.860 Slayer's gone away which I 03:03:13.140 --> 03:03:14.920 fucking love Slayer but they've kind of gone away 03:03:14.920 --> 03:03:16.440 and like Exodus is like hey 03:03:16.740 --> 03:03:18.020 we're still here 03:03:18.890 --> 03:03:20.680 but ironically well I have to tell you 03:03:20.790 --> 03:03:22.900 I think Testament is also hitting a stride right now 03:03:23.100 --> 03:03:24.320 yeah see I would 03:03:24.480 --> 03:03:26.820 this is where I was going with I disagree 03:03:26.840 --> 03:03:28.940 I listened to that last couple of Testament albums. 03:03:28.960 --> 03:03:30.040 Yeah, I know, the lyrics and everything. 03:03:30.150 --> 03:03:31.500 Yeah, well, it's just... 03:03:32.270 --> 03:03:32.680 Still good. 03:03:33.619 --> 03:03:38.700 Formation of Damnation, to me, was one of their better albums. 03:03:38.940 --> 03:03:40.640 And I'm a huge New Order guy. 03:03:40.910 --> 03:03:41.560 Like, huge. 03:03:41.650 --> 03:03:45.580 New Order is just, like, the ultimate Testament album. 03:03:45.820 --> 03:03:48.080 But the last couple albums just... 03:03:48.850 --> 03:03:50.160 I don't know, they just kind of sucked. 03:03:51.740 --> 03:03:55.580 They're lyrics, and I'm just, like, not a fan. 03:03:58.899 --> 03:04:24.780 I'm clinging to the old school testament now. I'm clinging more to that. Where Exodus, I'm like, I want to hear the next testament. I don't care what they come out with next because it's probably not going to be that great. Where Exodus, I'm like, I'm excited to hear the new Exodus. I'm not excited to hear the new testament. Therefore, I'm clinging to the old testament. So you like the old testament better than the new testament? Yes. Yes. Adam and Eve. 03:04:25.860 --> 03:04:55.840 I have big expectations for the next Exodus record. I think Gary Holt coming back from Slayer, got a little money in his pocket. They're feeling good about life. I really... He learned some new ways of playing. The dude had to fill in for Hanneman. I honestly think the next one is going to be something special. I almost feel like Gary Holt filling in for Jeff Hanneman probably taught him 03:04:55.860 --> 03:05:00.060 more about the guitar than his initial lessons from Kirk Hammett. 03:05:00.460 --> 03:05:00.580 Truth. 03:05:00.840 --> 03:05:02.140 You know what I think it did for him? 03:05:02.260 --> 03:05:09.580 It was give him the pat on the back and the confidence of somebody that big saying, hey, man, you're that good. 03:05:10.460 --> 03:05:10.540 Yeah. 03:05:10.780 --> 03:05:12.040 Well, first off, they're, oh, go ahead. 03:05:12.800 --> 03:05:14.340 Well, they're friends, so there's that. 03:05:14.700 --> 03:05:22.780 But one of my favorite quotes by Kerry King is he thinks, and I'm sure he's honest in this, he says he thinks Gary Holt is the underappreciated dude in metal. 03:05:22.860 --> 03:05:52.780 He says it's the Glenn Tipton of thrash. And Glenn Tipton is an amazing guitar player, but with the big dude top 10 list, Glenn's almost never in it. And that's what he was saying about me. He was like, I think he's fucking badass, you know? And he's a wickedly cool motherfucker. Yes. I do think of everybody we talked about tonight, Gary Holt, like whether he's on Instagram or Facebook, whatever, just is an approachable, nice, down to earth dude. 03:05:52.840 --> 03:06:22.700 Like you could walk up to him right now. I'm like, Hey dude, let's have a beer. He's like, yeah, sure. Let's do it. Let's get him on the podcast. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. Let's try it. You're the man. You got to find him. You find him, you get him on. We'll do it. Starting right now. All right. But, uh, yeah, what, uh, what I, I, the, the first thing that I really loved about that murder in the front row documentary was at the beginning, they're introducing everybody and they're like, yeah, I'm James Hetfield. I'm Kirk Hammett. And they get to carry King. And he's like, 03:06:23.000 --> 03:06:52.620 Dude, anybody watching this knows who the fuck I am. And it's like, yeah, it's super fucking cocky, but it's true. I will tell you this, and I, even though I agree with everything you guys said, but Zetro might be easier to get than Holt, but we'll try. Oh, yeah. Fucking Zetro fucking asked to be on the podcast, or at least his fucking PR person did. And you brought me on the podcast? Yes. I fucking, 03:06:52.880 --> 03:07:22.800 I ignored Zitro's fucking PR person because I didn't I was fucking too scared to be perfectly honest. All right. Jay can you take care of this podcast? I fucking ignored the request because I was like I don't know what to do with this. I can't. We're going to try pretty bad. What are you doing? Just say yes. Because I reviewed. Marcosan can you take care of this podcast? I reviewed the Hatriot album. The first Hatriot album I reviewed it and Zitro was like oh fuck. 03:07:22.860 --> 03:07:52.560 and love this review. Say yes, we got your back on this cast. Jesus Christ. This was a few years ago. Okay. And I was just... How many years ago? Were we on the podcast at this point? No, not when the H-Shit stuff was coming out. No, this was early. And I was just like... I mean, to be perfectly honest, if you said, hey, Metallica's going to be on here, I wouldn't know what the fuck to do with that. You would say yes, because you can't wait for Will to track the entire interview. I mean, 03:07:52.840 --> 03:08:22.240 I was like, I don't know what to, I don't, and my kids will trash them and say, like, you only had four good albums. You know, I was back now. I was like, I fucking love Exodus. I love Zitro. And I don't, I don't, I don't fucking have anything interesting to ask him that he hasn't already been asked a million times. And so I didn't do it. Yeah. I mean, you got all these wonderful people. I do. Yes. Well, I'm not, when you get a skitter, it would be different now. It would be different now. 03:08:23.420 --> 03:08:51.940 No, wouldn't. You're still. I'm still. You would still ignore it. Oh, I know what I would do. No, you don't. You would still ignore it. Yeah. That's a lot of email. That's true. That'd be great. Well, I'm going to, he's, you can message Zetra. So I'm going to do it. And I'm going to tell him, Hey, can we, can you ask Gary? 03:08:54.341 --> 03:09:22.820 Gary Holt would be great on a podcast so many good questions I think he's actually a fan of craft beer from what I remember there I'm not gonna bore you with there was a story anyway the whole thing was Slayer coming to Fillmore and I was trying to get them beer didn't work out but Gary Holt loves craft beer all right 03:09:22.880 --> 03:09:52.540 to the top five, but I need a little more beer. Can we take it? All right. Can I piss? Yes, you may. Yes, you may. We allow that on this podcast. Oh, yeah. Steve's like, please. Please, man. Two minutes and we'll roll this thing. Yeah, we'll move on to the top five in a few minutes. All right. You guys fucking rule. Thank you. This is Satan, and you're listening to the Metal Heads podcast because I command you. All right. All right. 03:09:52.860 --> 03:09:57.180 You got your beer. Yes, I do. Thank you. Let's move on to our top five. 03:10:22.860 --> 03:10:52.780 We decided to go with our top five albums from 1997. Steve helped us out with this one because why? Well, two of us graduated high school on this year. You and Matt. Yeah. The graduate of Northern Darkness. Indeed. It's such a divisive year because so much, you know, 03:10:52.840 --> 03:10:55.340 It's kind of like when you watch a VH1 documentary 03:10:55.610 --> 03:10:57.320 and they say, save metal. 03:10:58.320 --> 03:11:00.240 And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? 03:11:00.580 --> 03:11:01.760 Yeah, totally agree. 03:11:02.000 --> 03:11:02.760 This is a weird year. 03:11:03.320 --> 03:11:06.180 And all these shit fucking albums came out 03:11:06.400 --> 03:11:10.420 and all these amazing groundbreaking albums came out 03:11:10.560 --> 03:11:12.780 that people don't even realize that they like now, 03:11:13.040 --> 03:11:14.760 but came out that long ago. 03:11:15.400 --> 03:11:17.360 So it should be interesting. 03:11:17.760 --> 03:11:18.240 It should. 03:11:18.900 --> 03:11:19.240 100%. 03:11:19.400 --> 03:11:19.900 It's a weird one. 03:11:19.960 --> 03:11:49.900 So Steve, start us off with your number five. Oh god, this sucks. Can I do a twofer? Yeah, like an honorable mention kind of thing. It was a tie between Deceased, Fairless, Undo Machines and Deicide, Serpents and the Light. All right. I almost put Deicide on my list. Didn't go there. Deicide was this close to making my list. Both good albums. I've got a, I think I've got a long, 03:11:50.140 --> 03:11:52.800 Sleeve, Serpents of the Light, up in my closet somewhere. 03:11:53.040 --> 03:12:18.900 You know what I love about that album? It's just so, you know, like Legion and then, you know, Once Upon a Cross and then Serpents of the Light was just so, it was like the Injustice for All for Deicide. Like the way it was recorded and, you know, just kind of really, but dude, every song's memorable. Every song of that album is memorable. 03:12:20.000 --> 03:12:44.520 That's cool. So, yeah. All right. Mark us on, you're number five. Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting year to do a top five. We did our top 50 albums of the last 50 years cast, and I had zero runner-ups for 1997, so it took a little bit of me going back, digging into things. Oh, I just got a note from the wife. Tracy! 03:12:48.940 --> 03:13:18.760 Was she like your number five is? Enslaved Elda from Osmos Productions. Not my favorite enslaved albums. Probably not even in my top ten for the band, but it's still enslaved. So whatever they release is going to be on my short list. Nice. So number five. Matt. Enslaved. My number five. Deftones Around the Fur. Don't tread on me. I thought. 03:13:18.960 --> 03:13:48.800 Somebody might have that. All right. That was me. Yes, it was. John, what's your number five? Yeah, it's interesting going on what Markisan said. And then I know will had some years in the nineties where he didn't think there was many good albums. And it's funny for me, this is like a gold rush of albums. Yeah. It's, it'd be interesting to see what we all put down here. I will take, uh, 03:13:48.940 --> 03:14:18.920 Some disagreement with Markisan I do think my album is in the top 10 of the 12 or 13 albums or 14 albums they released but my number five is also enslaved eld I think it's a little higher than him but it's definitely put a shot maybe rough guess two or three spots higher maybe okay I think it's still a good album oh yeah it's great um seven the opening track alone is worth the album so yes 03:14:20.460 --> 03:14:48.600 All right, Will. It's no secret. This is a tough year for me to even come up with five albums that I even liked in 1997 for the genre of music that I'm into. Not overall. I really struggled with this year. Like, I remember when we did the top 50 years, like even coming up with a number one this year was tough. 03:14:49.760 --> 03:14:50.160 So, 03:14:50.860 --> 03:14:51.240 being, 03:14:51.980 --> 03:14:53.540 being with all that said, 03:14:54.360 --> 03:14:57.720 my number five is also deft tones around the fur. 03:14:58.020 --> 03:14:59.180 Because I remember when I was, 03:14:59.360 --> 03:15:00.120 when I was in college, 03:15:01.120 --> 03:15:02.080 when I was in college, 03:15:02.640 --> 03:15:04.200 I did like this album. 03:15:05.760 --> 03:15:06.060 You know, 03:15:06.260 --> 03:15:08.200 we recently talked about this on our, 03:15:08.380 --> 03:15:08.620 our, 03:15:08.920 --> 03:15:09.980 our Facebook messenger, 03:15:10.160 --> 03:15:10.980 because I was like, 03:15:11.080 --> 03:15:11.300 all right, 03:15:11.440 --> 03:15:11.560 guys, 03:15:12.100 --> 03:15:13.780 I'm going to try and listen to some deft tones. 03:15:13.920 --> 03:15:14.800 What should I listen to? 03:15:15.420 --> 03:15:17.940 And this was one of the albums and I'm sorry, 03:15:17.980 --> 03:15:46.300 But I fucking hate Deftones. With a fucking fiery passion. This is probably their worst album too, actually. I tried a couple things. And the music's not bad. This dude's fucking voice is so fucking awful to me. That's crazy. It is what it is. It's insane. It is what it is. Hey, it's my own summer. This is a rough year. 03:15:47.980 --> 03:16:17.320 I dug deep this whole week trying to find something in 1997 that I thought was good. I don't judge you for liking it. I listen to all kinds of shit. I was hoping for Reload. Number one. I love you for liking it. I don't care what it is to me. If you like it, I like you. Listen, I didn't say I liked it. I said I need to come up with something for number five. 03:16:17.980 --> 03:16:18.800 I'm talking to Matt. 03:16:22.399 --> 03:16:24.360 This is me struggling to come up with something. 03:16:24.780 --> 03:16:24.920 Fine. 03:16:25.090 --> 03:16:26.400 Well, I'm moving us on to me. 03:16:26.680 --> 03:16:27.460 And I'll just say this. 03:16:27.700 --> 03:16:28.740 I'm not, I'm George. 03:16:29.000 --> 03:16:29.300 I'm with you. 03:16:29.460 --> 03:16:30.100 Don't like the deathtones. 03:16:30.380 --> 03:16:30.760 So there you go. 03:16:30.830 --> 03:16:31.140 Thank you. 03:16:31.240 --> 03:16:31.820 I'm on your side, buddy. 03:16:32.100 --> 03:16:38.660 That stated, I know we're doubling up here quite a bit, but mine was easily chosen, enslaved, held. 03:16:39.500 --> 03:16:39.700 All right. 03:16:40.620 --> 03:16:40.980 Interesting. 03:16:41.580 --> 03:16:41.740 Yeah. 03:16:42.280 --> 03:16:44.540 So it's always going to be number fives though. 03:16:44.940 --> 03:16:45.040 Yeah. 03:16:45.680 --> 03:16:46.640 I thought it might show up. 03:16:46.680 --> 03:17:14.680 I didn't know it would be three number fives though. To me, this just goes around and says 1997 was a shit year for music. Yeah. No, I disagree with that. 47 honorable mentions. Yeah. Um, I'm lately, I am very much a death metal dude on this podcast and it has been mentioned by, I think Markisan that. He's like, well, you like black metal. My list is very much black metal for this year. 03:17:16.660 --> 03:17:45.320 And as such, my number five is Immortal Blizzard Beasts. Nice. Back to Steve for number four. All right, so I'm going to go to a band that has a singer that has the most retarded fucking name, but has the most beautiful fucking voice. Borknagar. Olden Domain. 03:17:46.680 --> 03:18:15.660 Nice! Oh, I, yeah, okay. No comment. Mark us on. My number four is Emperor Anthems to The Welkin at Dusk. Their debut album, In the Nightside Eclipse, made my top 50 album releases list when we did that. And I like this one almost as much. I'd call this record a resplendent nightmare of brutality and elegance. 03:18:16.660 --> 03:18:22.720 I think it was George's 03:18:23.580 --> 03:18:24.980 top pick this year but I'm not sure 03:18:26.160 --> 03:18:26.700 alright Matt 03:18:29.141 --> 03:18:31.120 for obituary I want to say it's 03:18:31.240 --> 03:18:31.840 back from the dead 03:18:33.021 --> 03:18:33.540 cool 03:18:35.360 --> 03:18:36.220 excuse me 03:18:37.150 --> 03:18:37.580 very nice 03:18:38.480 --> 03:18:39.000 John 03:18:41.641 --> 03:18:42.840 my number four is 03:18:42.950 --> 03:18:45.160 Symphony X The Divine Wings of Tragedy 03:18:45.340 --> 03:18:45.760 Nice. 03:18:49.020 --> 03:18:49.380 Will. 03:18:52.000 --> 03:18:52.600 Number four. 03:18:53.060 --> 03:18:53.640 Electric Wizard. 03:18:54.120 --> 03:18:55.760 Come my fanatics. 03:18:56.180 --> 03:18:56.820 Oh yeah. 03:18:56.920 --> 03:19:00.080 I knew that was going to come on here, but I didn't think it was coming from you. 03:19:00.720 --> 03:19:01.700 And it's not coming from me. 03:19:01.960 --> 03:19:02.320 Really? 03:19:02.660 --> 03:19:04.020 That's where I thought it was coming from. 03:19:04.720 --> 03:19:07.240 No, I thought they really took off with her next record. 03:19:07.800 --> 03:19:09.000 But I considered it. 03:19:09.560 --> 03:19:09.780 All right. 03:19:09.810 --> 03:19:10.920 Well, Jay, what's your number four? 03:19:11.740 --> 03:19:14.600 Like I said, 97 was a rough year. 03:19:16.580 --> 03:19:18.500 I don't know there's nothing wrong with that record I just 03:19:19.479 --> 03:19:28.240 for me it was a rough year so this one mine is from a band who when we were at well what we were 03:19:28.380 --> 03:19:44.680 talking to Metal Chris one time in person so it had to be a death fest or something and he was he was saying that the only band he could think of that didn't that no original member was on all of their records was Venom which that's a long story but that is true but I found it out 03:19:49.480 --> 03:20:14.620 I've been educating myself on them more than usual lately. Napalm Death, Inside the Torn Apart, came out that year. It's a great fucking great record. I considered it. I did, being a huge Napalm Death fan these days, but no. Didn't make it. Because this is a very blunt. 03:20:14.700 --> 03:20:44.380 It's a black centric list for me. Except for one. Keep rocking it. Except for one. My number four was already mentioned by Steve Borknagar, The Olden Domain. That's why I was like, very nice choice. It's also my number four. Fucking love that album. All right, Steve, what's your number three? Well, number three, I was stressing myself out for like, well, can't say too long. I think you told me on like Monday. 03:20:47.199 --> 03:21:14.500 Yeah, I was beating my head against the wall between a few albums. The ones that stick out, Vader had a great album. Ass Suck had a great album that year. But I went with the one that really resonated with me at the time. I know it's not metal, but either is Deftones. Faith and I. No, no, no, but they fit into the overall metal zip code. They really did. 03:21:18.100 --> 03:21:44.240 Yeah, Faith Amore album of the year is just, I don't know, the lyrics are retarded. Like, they have a song about being so lonely. The lyric is, I even tried to get arrested today. Yeah. Also, you know, like, I love, I love the balls of naming an album album of the year, by the way. I just think that's great. I love stuff like that when people go that direction. Matt. Markson? 03:21:44.680 --> 03:22:14.100 -Margason. -Margason, sorry. -Yeah, number three. So I have to admit, I went with some more emotional choices, I think, for this year than I normally would. And maybe this one might make me and John friends again, but it's number three. -We're still friends. -I know, I'm just kidding, John. Dream Theater falling into infinity from East West. -Okay, we might not be friends anymore. -I mean, this is the Dream Theater album I listen to the most in my life by Philly. 03:22:14.680 --> 03:22:41.680 Yeah. I got a week, a couple years after it came out. I think it came out in 94 and I got it in like 96. So this was my first Dream Theater album. And it was released shortly after I discovered the band. So I was really excited for this record. And I remember going to fucking Media Play to buy the CD the day it came out. And I wore the shit out of this album. And even now, when I have a desire to listen to Dream Theater, this is the first album I think about. 03:22:41.920 --> 03:23:10.660 Well, okay, that's where you're making your mistake is you have a desire to listen to Dream Theater. I don't often. I don't often. I'm just kidding. But I loved Dream Theater back in the day. And so this is the one that really got me into the band. And that's why I have a sentimental feeling for this album. And we talked about this a little bit recently, but Doug Pinnock guested on this album. Oh, Lines in the Sand is awesome. Which is the best song on the album, I think. Yeah. 03:23:10.740 --> 03:23:38.840 So yeah, I really enjoy this album. It has a lot of pop to it. And I think they really struggled with the record company. That's the problem. Yeah, they wanted to make them more radio friendly. But in recent years, they said that, you know, we just kind of made the record we wanted to make, but I don't know what's true, what's not. Anyways, at the time, this was a big record for me. And so it had to be on my list. Dream Theater, Falling Into Infinity. Okay. Now, Matt. 03:23:40.260 --> 03:24:08.860 Before I get my number three, my phone is going to die soon. So I am sincerely apologetic, but I would probably have to bail after our top line. Plug it in. Plug it in. Whatever my headphones are. I only have the headphone jack. My number three, deicide, Serpians of the Light. Yes. Noise. Excuse me. All right. John. 03:24:10.240 --> 03:24:39.120 Real quick, my next three are far and above my favorite ones from the year. So that's why I will. When you made that comment about it being rough, I was like, holy crap, I have like three of my favorite albums from these bands or in the top couple for these bands. So my number three is Fates Warning, A Pleasant Shade of Grey. Absolutely love the album. I knew it. Yeah. How much to say about it? If you know Fates, you know the album. So yeah, I expected that. 03:24:40.500 --> 03:24:41.820 Right on. Okay, well. 03:25:02.500 --> 03:25:05.660 My number three. I may get some shit for this, but I've mentioned this before. 03:25:07.140 --> 03:25:07.820 Fuck you. 03:25:08.600 --> 03:25:08.900 Clutch. 03:25:08.970 --> 03:25:09.100 Okay. 03:25:09.680 --> 03:25:09.760 Yeah. 03:25:10.880 --> 03:25:13.260 Sorry, just getting ready. Liqueur, 03:25:14.439 --> 03:25:15.240 boysen, okay. 03:25:15.640 --> 03:25:17.340 If you put the cure, that'd be very metal. 03:25:17.940 --> 03:25:19.560 Okay, go ahead. I like the cure. 03:25:20.380 --> 03:25:21.120 I love the cure. 03:25:22.500 --> 03:25:22.960 Jade, your turn. 03:25:24.040 --> 03:25:26.100 What was yours? I took my headphones off for 30 seconds. 03:25:26.420 --> 03:25:27.080 It was 03:25:28.600 --> 03:25:29.000 Clutch. 03:25:30.080 --> 03:25:30.480 Clutch. 03:25:31.320 --> 03:25:32.500 I thought you were just fucking with us. 03:25:33.159 --> 03:25:34.160 I thought that was a joke. 03:25:35.180 --> 03:25:36.780 There was no Clutch album that year. 03:25:37.620 --> 03:26:05.180 It was Hatebreed, the death of satisfaction. I love that album. Again, I'm not going to apologize. The old Hatebreed, I do like the satisfaction and the death of desire. Ain't nothing wrong with no Jamie Jostin. That was my number six. Like Temple of Void. So, mine is, yes, do you remember? Thank you, John, for remembering that. 03:26:13.359 --> 03:26:37.600 I don't know if you remember one of my favorite burns ever and I hate to do it I don't like to burn people just to burn them I just I like to make people laugh and I don't know if you remember what Temple of Void was on the first time and they remember they were just they were the last they Albert had said they would have been on the list if it was 41 or 50 yeah yeah they were 41 and I don't know if you remember but the singer for Temple of Void whatever his name is went off on this long diatribe about how he's 03:26:37.640 --> 03:27:07.220 He didn't care about lists and blah, blah, blah. And I just live in my own personal world. He went on and on and on. And then when he got done, I said, yeah, but just to be clear, you guys aren't on the list. And thank God they laughed, dude. But in any case, mine is, I was actually, I don't talk about this band as much as some of our other podcast members do, but I was really into this band up through this album. This was pretty much when I lost touch with them, but I did love this album. And then after that, I just kind of wasn't paying attention for a while. 03:27:07.640 --> 03:27:36.200 But that's stated, John, mine is Face Warning, I plays in Shade of Grey. I was a big Face Warning follower from the beginning up through that. And I was very into the Ray Alder era and stuff, which they're still in, but it was a damn fine record. And then I think I just wandered off. It's not their fault, it was mine. So this was my last dance with them. And it's a single too. Yeah. It's one 54-minute song. All right. 03:27:37.640 --> 03:28:07.020 My number three is the lone album on my list that is not black metal. And in fact, this was not even on my initial list until I went back and listened to it. And I was like, oh, fuck, I can't not have this on my list. And this is Strapping Young Lad City. A big, big fucking debonier, man. Yeah, man. Also, Ocean Machine came out that year, so I'm wondering if some people are going to say that. 03:28:07.080 --> 03:28:34.360 And I have to say, I only own two Devon albums, Ocean Machine and Tara, whatever, whatever. And I thought about putting that on there. But in any case, Ocean Machine, not the Strapping Young Lad. No offense. Yeah. No offense. Yeah, fuck those guys. Brings us back to Steve. Number two. Yeah. All right. One of the coolest moments in my life was standing. We played Milwaukee Metal Fest with Strapping Young Lad. 03:28:37.100 --> 03:29:06.940 Drunk and high out of his mind. And we're drinking beers together watching Macabre. You were standing with Devin Townsend. Yeah. As one does. Like the, you know, left of his head. Yeah. Skelet. Yeah. Yeah. That shit was awesome. He was, he's hilarious and just as weird. See if he's kind of different nowadays, huh? As am I. So, so there you go. I would say number two was, 03:29:07.080 --> 03:29:36.380 Dude, it was a bitch. I don't understand how people can't come up with five from this year. It's got to be either Wasp, Kill, Fuck, Die, or Metallica Reload. What? No, for me, it's Emperor Anthems. Nice. Very good choice. All right, mark us on. Number two. Okay. 03:29:36.660 --> 03:30:04.600 This band is a shadow of what used to be. But in the 90s, when they were helping to pioneer the melodic death metal sound, I could not get enough of them. And that is In Flames, Oracle from Nuclear Blast Records. The two records of theirs I had in repeat were Colony and this album, Oracle, which is obviously my number two for 1997. But my favorite record in their catalog, 03:30:06.500 --> 03:30:35.980 Probably one of my all-time favorite melodic death metal albums. It's just full of catchy, heavy riffs. Some good, complex guitar parts, acoustic passages. I think Anders Frieden's growls are really great on this album. I actually ended up spinning it a lot when I was making this list, and I hadn't listened to it in years, and it still rips as hard as it did in my college days. Yeah, that probably would have been my number six. It's so good. Yeah. Real fresh, man. 03:30:36.040 --> 03:31:06.000 I forgot how good in flames was yeah they got real corn like it was weird but yeah they they were fucking amazing they really were Matt my number deuce uh strapping young lad city noise strapping on strapping on all right John so I'm not gonna 03:31:06.040 --> 03:31:36.000 I say too much about this because I have a feeling it's going to come up again and so I'll let somebody else have the honor of talking about it but I will say that this album is part of a duo of albums that I hold very dear to my heart and it's I have a hard time separating the two when I listen to either one of them but my number two is The Gathering Nighttime Birds nice I love The Gathering I saw them live around that time man they were they were cool 03:31:36.020 --> 03:32:03.900 It was a cool band to see. Yeah, man. Yeah, they're great live. I'm sorry. Stop it. Will. Obituary. I knew it. I was like, where the fuck is obituary? Yeah, that took long enough. You know, John and I were talking about your, I came up with like your whole list ahead of time. I was like, this is what Will's list is going to be. And I've been dead fucking wrong until now. Yeah. 03:32:06.020 --> 03:32:35.960 I love this album, but when I compared this to my number one, which is my number one from the other episode, I was actually surprised. I actually liked the other album better, but Obituary Back from the Dead, great album. Love it. I love Obituary. I love Obituary. I love Obituary. I knew that had to be on there. It's just hard. It is always the case. 03:32:36.020 --> 03:32:38.240 on this podcast that we are hard. 03:32:40.160 --> 03:32:40.320 Yeah. 03:32:41.220 --> 03:32:41.540 All right. 03:32:42.720 --> 03:32:43.760 I see what you did there. 03:32:44.020 --> 03:32:44.260 Okay. 03:32:45.900 --> 03:32:47.520 Mine has been said several times. 03:32:49.280 --> 03:32:51.420 Emperor Anthem still up at dusk. 03:32:52.320 --> 03:32:52.580 Man. 03:32:53.960 --> 03:32:58.240 My number two has not been said yet, and I'm fucking pissed. 03:33:02.139 --> 03:33:05.540 Because if not for my number one, this would have been my number one. 03:33:05.640 --> 03:33:35.520 A New Reload was coming up. No. No, this is one of the greatest. Black metal, I told you. The rest of my list is fucking black metal. Right, right. Can I take a guess? Yeah. If it's not Emperor, Emperor's going to be number one for you. Is it over? No. Okay. What is it? Number two, Old Man's Child, the Pagan Prosperity. Where the fuck are you people on this one? No, it's on my honor. 03:33:35.880 --> 03:33:38.500 Mentions. Seriously, I was listening to this again 03:33:39.300 --> 03:33:40.620 like two days yesterday. 03:33:41.020 --> 03:33:42.700 I don't know. Time means nothing anymore. 03:33:42.700 --> 03:33:44.220 What's the name of the band? Old Man's Child? 03:33:44.220 --> 03:33:46.980 Old Man's Child, Galdar from fucking Demi Borgir. 03:33:48.820 --> 03:33:49.780 That's all you gotta say. 03:33:50.160 --> 03:33:52.480 Before then, he was an old man's child. 03:33:54.400 --> 03:33:55.780 How much synthesizers 03:33:56.280 --> 03:33:56.620 are there? 03:33:57.250 --> 03:33:58.640 This is a fucking 03:33:59.360 --> 03:34:00.640 insanely fucking awesome 03:34:01.090 --> 03:34:01.240 album. 03:34:02.640 --> 03:34:04.100 Why is it not your number one? 03:34:04.460 --> 03:34:32.540 Because of my number one. Duh. So it's not insanely awesome. It's just you like it. No, my number one is more insanely awesome. If it's mostly black metal, it's got to be Emperor this year for him. Yeah. But seriously, Old Man's Child, The Pagan Prosperity is a fucking amazing album. When this came out, it blew my fucking mind. The song Millennium King that opens this album is fucking amazing. 03:34:34.440 --> 03:35:03.040 I'm not even going to translate it because y'all obviously don't get it. There was that. I'm glad you at least recognize that. Century Media black metal. Century Black compilation. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Firestarter. They had the Matchstick. Yeah. Like all these bands run it. Yeah. All of them. Opeth, like their first album. Borkingar. Ophthalmalia. Ophthalmalia. Yeah. 03:35:04.440 --> 03:35:34.120 Yeah, that shit was awesome. Like it was, yeah, it was a great EP and they were given it away and now it's like 30 bucks online. Yeah. Yeah. Century Media in the day and Century Black were fucking awesome. But like anything in the last 15 years, fuck Century Media. No, it sucks a dick. Yeah. And a vagina, whatever. It sucks whatever it can fucking suck. They have signed some really good bands recently. Big floppy doppy. 03:35:34.460 --> 03:36:00.580 Like Wilder Run, I know. But as a label, fuck them. Anyway, seriously, old man's child. Come on. Any love? Any love? No. All right. Fuck y'all. Number one. Steve, number one. Number one for me is not, you know, we've been hanging out for like three, three and a half hours now. Four hours and 21 minutes, actually. 03:36:04.460 --> 03:36:34.420 One of the longest ones? No, not even. No, this is George's normal MO to like just... This is typical. The fact that Will's still awake is unusual, but... Yeah, that's true. Well, honestly, talking to normal people about what I do in a week is like speaking Japanese to somebody. There's no way they give a shit about... So this has been an honor and a privilege 03:36:34.440 --> 03:37:03.780 Oh, dude. Glad to have you. No, no. You're fun. You're a fun guy. You're a mushroom. That's what Jay said. This is what the podcast is all about. It's connecting with people who love metal. So we really appreciate you coming on. And it's always nice when we have somebody on who can kind of think. You know what I mean? Like you're clearly a pretty bright dude and everything. And I'll just take the word pretty out of there. And that's cool. You're pretty too. And that makes for a good conversation. Thanks, George. 03:37:04.440 --> 03:37:09.580 Just cheaping it. I respect each and every one of you. If you're ever by 03:37:09.960 --> 03:37:12.120 Illinois area, I would love to hang out. 03:37:13.980 --> 03:37:15.560 And I'd like to be part of the podcast 03:37:15.870 --> 03:37:17.540 if ever possible in the future. 03:37:18.080 --> 03:37:20.560 You got a band that dumped on you 03:37:20.900 --> 03:37:21.400 and call me. 03:37:23.139 --> 03:37:24.240 We'll have you back. 03:37:24.450 --> 03:37:24.780 For sure. 03:37:26.760 --> 03:37:27.960 My number one with a bullet 03:37:28.560 --> 03:37:29.960 is Phobos. 03:37:30.240 --> 03:37:30.640 Boy Vod. 03:37:31.160 --> 03:37:31.540 Wow. 03:37:32.240 --> 03:38:02.080 is a complete masterpiece of an album. Front to back, every song. I fucking love it. That's probably my favorite Voivod album. As a huge Voivod fan, I need to ask for clarification on that. It's Voivod, not Voivid. What other clarification do you fucking need? Voivod. I mean, the vocals, 03:38:02.260 --> 03:38:32.200 were obviously different. It had a psychedelia aspect, but it was fluid. It wasn't choppy. I love the new Voivod. I love every Voivod album from the past, but this one is just like if Voivod did a neurosis, like if Voivod wrote Enemy of the Sun by neurosis, like the way I digested, 03:38:32.240 --> 03:39:01.500 and the way that I write music, for me, that's one of the most important albums. I, you make me need to go back and listen to this again because I've been a huge Voivod fan since Roar. And by the way, Steve, congratulations. You just got George to pronounce it correctly. He's never, ever pronounced it Voivod ever until you came on. 03:39:01.540 --> 03:39:30.300 We all collectively thank you for that. Yeah, they're one of my favorite bands. Yeah, I'm with you there. Like I said, from Roar. I bought Roar on vinyl when it came out. George, for me, it's kind of like, you remember when COC came out with Blind? Yeah. It was like going from like technocracy area, you know, to Deliverance. But they had that one album with Kyle singing. Yeah, yeah. 03:39:30.360 --> 03:40:00.300 The guitars were perfect. Everything was perfect for me. Phobos, Voivod was that album for them. I mean, I hear you. And I will go back and listen to it now. Because when it came out, what was his name? Eric something that was the singer? Yeah, he was an Eric. That's all I know. Yeah. I was like, you're not Snake. Fuck you. I bought it. I have it. I own the CD. But the stuff that he did, 03:40:00.380 --> 03:40:30.340 I was just like meh. And I was dismissive out of hand without really giving it too much of thought. So. And it came out on Slipdisc Records, which was a weird fucking label. Like they put out several albums and went bankrupt. And if you can get a hold of any of those CDs, they're worth like a hundred bucks a pop. I have them all. Yeah. So yeah, I'll go back and listen to that. Because I've always been dismissive of that. And you've given 03:40:30.380 --> 03:41:00.180 me reason to go back and check it out. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Mark is on. All right. My number one was John's number two and he graciously bought out of talking more about it because he knew this would be my number one. And it's the gathering nighttime birds from Century Media Records. This is the last gathering album I'd consider metal. And it's a hell of a way to leave the devil horns behind. It's beautiful, haunting metal classic. 03:41:01.699 --> 03:41:07.040 I actually recently picked up the reissue from the gatherings website and I casually 03:41:07.460 --> 03:41:30.340 mentioned that I would love to get a signature and the band sent me a postcard signed by the entire band so now I'm even a bigger fan of the band I told John about that but I'm mentioning it here on the podcast but yeah I love this album so much I love the gathering I love all the albums after it as well but this might be my favorite of the metal 03:41:30.360 --> 03:42:00.240 It's tough because I love Mendelian so much as well. Mandy line. Yeah. Sure. All right. Yeah, sure. I wouldn't know which one of you are right there. What were you saying, Steve? No, well, gathering. I was just thinking the shit, you know, she did with Devin, man. Just. Oh, I have stuff. Yeah, man. Unreal. For sure. All right. 03:42:00.340 --> 03:42:29.640 Matt, before you die. My numero uno. Strangely enough, I had the hardest time in the world spelling this band the name, but it is Empor Ur, Anthems to the Walking at Dusk. Oh yeah. Did you see them play that album somewhere? Yeah, with the really cool guy. Might have been raining. A lot of mud. 03:42:29.700 --> 03:42:59.360 We might have like sang songs about black metal. He was a really cool guy. Dean Cutting the Rain. It wasn't me, obviously, because it was cool. You were talking about Chris. You were talking about Chris. No, he wasn't. We were teared up. Oh, for sure. Nice. All right, John. So it pains me not to have Strapping Out Lad or Emperor on my list. 03:43:01.661 --> 03:43:27.380 What? Yes, they're on my honorable mentions. It hurts. I'm sorry. My number one is, like I said, on the top 50 or 50 years of metal, there's just nothing that comes close, and that is Devon Townsend Ocean Machine Biomech, which is actually Ocean Machine Biomech, but then I changed it to Devon Townsend Ocean Machine Biomech. 03:43:30.439 --> 03:43:59.220 It's a great album, man. That's a mouthful. Alright. I like just Ocean Machine. Let's just do that. Yeah, he was starting a new project and he just made it his own solo project. Well, yeah, and when he started doing guitar pedals, like his guitar pedals, the Ocean Machine. Oh, is that right? Yeah, and I think it relates to that shit the most. Yeah, actually, Jay, the album's also written as if every song sounds like flowing water. That's a good record. 03:43:59.680 --> 03:44:29.660 I own it. It really is one of the only ones I own by him, but I like it a lot. I mean, I recognize him for his just, for his, you know, just constant genius. The guy just shits music, you know? That is the truth there. I mean, I realize that it didn't sound like a compliment, but you catch my meaning. Well, if you know anything about Devin, that kind of does make sense. Yeah, completely. All right, Will. Will, you're playing guitar, though. You should buy that Ocean Machine pedal, man. It actually sounds 03:44:30.120 --> 03:44:31.340 like Devin's like, 03:44:32.080 --> 03:44:33.160 like you just plug it in. 03:44:33.240 --> 03:44:34.180 And I mean, 03:44:34.260 --> 03:44:35.280 you're not going to play like him, 03:44:35.380 --> 03:44:36.280 but it's going to be, 03:44:36.580 --> 03:44:36.700 um, 03:44:36.900 --> 03:44:37.420 you're right. 03:44:37.500 --> 03:44:38.700 John is not going to play like him. 03:44:38.780 --> 03:44:39.280 He's a drummer. 03:44:40.320 --> 03:44:42.680 And Will's not going to play like him because he's Will. 03:44:43.600 --> 03:44:43.940 Oh, 03:44:44.220 --> 03:44:44.340 me. 03:44:44.680 --> 03:44:45.060 Oh no. 03:44:47.000 --> 03:44:47.100 No, 03:44:47.200 --> 03:44:47.320 they, 03:44:47.440 --> 03:44:48.280 it's a cool pedal though. 03:44:48.480 --> 03:44:49.060 Just to fuck around. 03:44:49.800 --> 03:44:50.540 You want to, 03:44:51.080 --> 03:44:51.480 um, 03:44:52.240 --> 03:44:54.700 it gives you all those like layered chorus, 03:44:55.320 --> 03:44:55.540 you know, 03:44:55.660 --> 03:44:55.880 reverb, 03:44:56.140 --> 03:44:57.700 be delayed things that he does. 03:44:57.700 --> 03:44:59.560 I was thinking of serenading you with my, 03:44:59.620 --> 03:45:28.880 I realized I can't plug my guitar in because it'll wake up the entire house. So I'll just tell you that it's the light. My knee aside. Yes. Not surprising. I was trying to play on guitar. Yeah, okay. It was something like that. 03:45:32.079 --> 03:45:57.940 That was my audition for Canna Tonic Society. Pack your shits. Get out of here. I'll get back to you. When's that new album coming out anyway? God knows what's going to happen to any of us now. No news on that, Jay? We haven't practiced in months now. Have you written songs for it? Oh yeah, everything's written and ready to go. We demo stuff and everything. Nice. So we will get it eventually. 03:45:59.600 --> 03:46:29.260 Nice of you to act excited. We have, you know, it's at first there's the pandemic and there's personalities and blah, blah, blah. We'll get there. But now this pandemic really fucked everything up. Drummer problems, huh? Yeah, yeah. We can't seem to find a drummer who's not a douchebag. I'm starting to think, talk about prejudices, I'm starting to think drummers are just kind of fucking douchebags. No offense, John. Hey, Jay. Yeah. Two words. Honest. Gross. Totally. 03:46:29.600 --> 03:46:58.200 I'm just thinking that. It's true. That's all you need, man. I'll talk to him on Thursday when he's here. Yeah, I mean, he's got it. I'm sure he can fit me in his schedule somewhere. Oh, man. My number one is, you know, it's funny. I mentioned these records too much. There's a couple of records that were still on these two years that I mentioned too much. And the fact that nobody else really mentions that much makes me think you guys have never listened to them. And I'm not trying to be unkind because you probably have. I bet some of you haven't. 03:46:59.040 --> 03:47:28.940 But it's those two great last two albums Bruce made before I went back to Maiden. And this was the year that, yeah. I knew this. I told you, John. I told you. It's so fucking good, though. It's such a good record. Jay, you're totally right. I never listened to him. You know what? I suspected you hadn't, Will, because here's what I believe, that you're going to listen to them someday and you're going to go like, Jude, I am a fucking moron. I understand what you're talking about there. You're probably 100% right. I just, like, 03:47:29.040 --> 03:47:57.860 I never got to. Like Rob Halford went off and did a solo career and I was like, eh, not the same. I'll tell you, Will, I don't think I heard either of them until at least 99. It might have been post-2000 before I heard either of them. But Accident of Birth is fucking awesome. So fucking good. Told you, dude. That is my number one. I mean, of course it was going to be, right? George, you know what's funny is that we already know what our number one picks were because we just did them a couple weeks ago. Yeah, that's true. 03:47:59.120 --> 03:48:29.020 I actually tried not to look at those just so I'd be a little bit surprised but yeah I can kind of tell but I'm assuming none of us diverged right I did not I thought about diverging because for whatever reason my my natural assumption would have been obituary back from the dead because I love obituary right do you like obituary at all no a little bit but when I went back and listened to 03:48:29.040 --> 03:48:32.300 Back from the Dead, I actually like Surface of Light better. 03:48:34.100 --> 03:48:34.540 Anyway. 03:48:35.320 --> 03:48:37.560 No, that's interesting. I'm interested to hear it. 03:48:38.360 --> 03:48:40.180 No, no. My point being is that 03:48:40.880 --> 03:48:42.380 I think when I was doing 03:48:43.140 --> 03:48:44.580 the episode 100, 03:48:45.360 --> 03:48:46.840 I didn't even know Back from the Dead 03:48:46.960 --> 03:48:47.860 came out that year. 03:48:48.720 --> 03:48:50.000 Somehow it just escaped me. 03:48:50.700 --> 03:48:52.780 My initial thought was like, I'm definitely going to pick that. 03:48:53.680 --> 03:48:55.400 Because this year, from what I like, 03:48:55.540 --> 03:48:56.660 was not very good. 03:48:57.240 --> 03:49:26.920 Have you even heard the pagan prosperity? Hello? I don't know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I know you haven't. Are we playing that game where you mention a band and it's made up? No, that's Matt. Anyway, blah, blah, blah. Right. All right. Jay. That's you. 03:49:27.220 --> 03:49:54.760 Oh, it is me? Yeah, I did accident of birth. Oh, right. Sorry, I was just talking to Will. I was talking to Will. I forgot about the rest of you. I wasn't paying attention at all to what was happening. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, Marcus. It really does. Usually I'm asleep when it happens, but it happens. Now, Marcus called it. I haven't changed a goddamn thing about my list. My number one is Emperor Anthems to the Welcome at Dusk. 03:49:57.220 --> 03:50:25.520 I mean, there's nothing even close to this year. Immortal came out with the album that year. That was my number five. Was I asleep? What happened? Probably. You don't pay attention to anything I say. I'm going to step away for a sentence just to do something for my wife, but I don't have any. I'll be back. I don't have any. Is that going to be on video or what's going to happen? 03:50:28.199 --> 03:50:56.540 All right. Jake, good to talk to you, Jay. What's that? Steve? Are you leaving, Matt? I got a bail. Bye, Matty. I'll just be right back. But I don't have you all. I was trying to see you. Before you leave, Matt, can I have a mustache rod? Yes. Hey, Matt, good meeting you. You as well. You as well, Steve. Stay well, Matt. Thank you, guys. Toodles. Toodles. Yeah, man, I got a bail soon pretty soon, too. 03:50:57.240 --> 03:50:59.720 All we got left is what we're listening to. 03:51:23.920 --> 03:51:25.440 And we will start with Steve. 03:51:27.300 --> 03:51:55.260 Well, hold on. I thought we were doing honorable mentions. Oh, well, you can. If you got them, list them. Yeah, I got like a ton. Do it. All right. Well, I got Arcturus. Yeah. You know, La Masquerade and Fresnel. Yep. I guess. I don't know. I don't pronounce really anything. No, that's good. The Crown, Eternal Death. Oh, yeah. That shit was awesome. Obviously, Ocean Machine. 03:51:57.359 --> 03:52:25.420 Enslaved. Gorgoroth, Under the Sign of Hell. That came out that year. Yep. Old Man's Child they had on there. Finally. Vader, Black to the Blind. Nobody said Vader. That's a good album, too. That was my first Vader album. I don't know. I've been on a wasp kick, and I've been going through every album. You like Kill, Fuck, Die? 03:52:25.640 --> 03:52:54.980 That shit sucks. Yeah. It does. Fucking terrible. I will go back to what I said earlier. I don't think there's anything good after Headless Children. I'm with you, but I think Blackie Wallace is just like this, like really dedicated to being kind of a fucking retard. Like not like an, you know, like, but I like watching him because he's so dedicated to being like a chauvinist idiot. 03:52:55.040 --> 03:53:24.280 And then he becomes Christian. He's not going to play. I got pictures of naked ladies. You know. I want to fuck like an animal. Yeah. It's like, okay. Well, that's the only song anyone wants to hear. Maybe like, I'm a wild child. I fuck like a beast. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, ass suck. I fucking love that. You know that I'm. 03:53:25.060 --> 03:53:55.020 I don't know the album. It's Misery Index. That's how they came up with the name. Was that a joke? No, no, no, no. No, no. Asking George. No, no. I know the band. I know the album. Because he likes it. I like to suck ass. I know what you're saying. Well, anyway, the name of the album is where Misery Index got the name. God damn it. All these fucking beers. You know, I 03:53:55.060 --> 03:54:25.020 I had to go out of my way by all these goddamn beers because you guys do beer check and I'm like Jesus Christ I drink Milwaukee's best half the time and you drink all these beers that we didn't even mention nice I don't fucking care but I you know if it's local I'll buy it but it's not like a so I went all around all the towns around me to make sure I had all these interesting beers so we did beer check maybe like 03:54:25.060 --> 03:54:25.220 Yeah. 03:54:25.819 --> 03:54:26.460 Exiled Angel. 03:54:26.880 --> 03:54:28.000 That looks like a Mastodon can. 03:54:28.660 --> 03:54:28.740 Yeah. 03:54:30.460 --> 03:54:31.660 Well, do you have some more you want to mention? 03:54:31.660 --> 03:54:32.780 Yeah, it looks like the hunted can. 03:54:33.460 --> 03:54:33.640 Yeah. 03:54:34.540 --> 03:54:35.880 Or Hunter or whatever it's called. 03:54:36.460 --> 03:54:37.240 I mean, it's good. 03:54:37.520 --> 03:54:37.980 It's good. 03:54:38.320 --> 03:54:41.140 It's just, you know, I got fucking three kids and a wife. 03:54:41.380 --> 03:54:45.500 It's not like I can buy $12 packs of six packs all the time. 03:54:45.880 --> 03:54:46.020 Yeah. 03:54:47.180 --> 03:54:48.000 It doesn't make sense. 03:54:48.360 --> 03:54:49.180 But, all right. 03:54:49.430 --> 03:54:49.840 So next. 03:54:52.300 --> 03:54:54.500 It's like a George Jr. list here. 03:54:54.880 --> 03:55:24.120 It just keeps going. Well, Devin Ocean. Enslaved. You guys had two guys had then is your number five. Let's see. Vital Remains. Forever Underground. That almost made my list. Yeah. And then I told you it was a tie, but Deceased, Fearless Undead Machines is a fucking badass album. Moving on to Jay. 03:55:27.560 --> 03:55:54.560 We're done with that one. I don't know. Oh, sorry. That was honorable mentions. Sorry, that was honorable mentions, right? Yeah. Well, I'm the only one that did that. Yeah. Sorry. It's almost two o'clock in the morning. I'm mostly drunk. Don't listen to me. All right. Moving on to what we are listening to. We will start with Steve. Oh, shit. 03:55:54.880 --> 03:56:24.800 I don't know. During this whole quarantine thing, I've been really going back to things that I don't really want to keep listening to things that are new because I just want to gravitate towards things that make me comfortable. It's a lot of bad brains, black flag, Cro-Mags, that shit. 03:56:25.960 --> 03:56:54.800 Voivod for sure, obviously. But I've been kind of getting more into listening to like Acid Bath. Wow. Which one? Well, you know, Kite String. Soylent Green. Nice. You know, kind of going through that New Orleans thing. Oh, yeah. I've been listening to a lot of Nazem. Oh, dude. 03:56:54.880 --> 03:57:22.980 Dude, you are in my wheelhouse. I've been listening to a lot of Nazem. Yeah, I mean, inhale, exhale is just... Fucking beautiful. Gold. It is. It really is. I've been unbelievably profoundly in love with nuclear assault. I don't know what it is, but something with Chris Connelly's vocals. He's got a unique voice, dude. Yeah, he does. So cool. 03:57:24.920 --> 03:57:52.600 that are unique and solid. Some people just got your number, dude. And that guy does have his voice. It's just there's something about it that it's there's some frequency in it that works. Yeah. It's like my comfort blanket. You know, like I want to hear things that make me feel like comfortable like these guys. It's like you're Snuggie. Yeah. I actually have one. Hold on. Let's see. Got my. 03:57:55.180 --> 03:58:24.840 Approach. Here's my hoodie. Here's my Hellhammer. My nuclear assault. Nice. Discharge. Those are things that I don't know. I just I fucking listen to over and over and I hate God is probably been my favorite band during this whole thing and getting to see them several times back when they're killing it. That shit's 03:58:25.420 --> 03:58:54.700 And a lot of Melvins. I'm a huge Melvins fan. So, you know, that whole shit. And I don't know. You know, as far as new bands, I would say no, fuck them. No, no, I'm not. Fuck them. The quarantine has been weird. You know, I've been doing a lot of what you're doing. Yeah, me too. Yeah, definitely with the Maiden. 03:58:54.920 --> 03:59:23.720 The Priest, you know. I listened to Painkiller about three times last week. I don't know. I just want to hear things that are wrong close to the fucking blade. Yeah. I get it. I don't really want to hear reinterpretations of something somebody else did right now. I don't think it's the time for it. Yeah. I've been listening to way more old stuff than I usually do. Dude. 03:59:26.020 --> 03:59:54.840 All right, Mark is on. Yeah, well, I've been listening to all new stuff. I got to bounce after I do this, unfortunately. But I will. Are you kidding me? It's like, what, three o'clock there? I know. I gotta, no, man. It's like, I'm kidding. I gotta eat. It's almost two o'clock in the morning here. I know. It's just, yeah, I think Tracy just got dinner. That's cool. Okay, so War Cloud Ear Hammer Sessions from Ripple Music. This is straight up classic heavy metal. Great twin guitarist. 04:00:07.041 --> 04:00:22.960 It's a good while ago. Yeah, it meets a spaghetti western score. What's the name of it? It's called In the Company of Serpents and the album's called Lux. Okay, yeah. Yeah, just big riffs, 04:00:25.020 --> 04:00:54.820 Ambient Atmospheres. It's really great. Yarrow, We Made What God Could Not, another self-released album. It's a crawling... How do you spell that? It's a Y-A-R-R-O-W. This is like a crawling, writhing, crust-doomed creature that probably lurked beneath your bed when you were a kid. That sounds great. Changeling 3 is the name of the album from Quarter Records. This is a mysterious atmosphere. 04:00:56.021 --> 04:01:24.840 "Blanket of Black Metal" from Minneapolis. I think Matt would dig it. Just cuddle up and listen to this thing. "Unrequited" "Empathica" Northern Silence Productions. Breathtaking, epic, symphonic, black gaze. Probably my favorite record they've done and I've liked most of their records. "Malice" to mantle the rising sun from Northern Silence Productions. Again, "Grim and 04:01:24.880 --> 04:01:54.680 Deadly Atmospheric Black Metal. I really like that one. I have been listening to a lot of black metal lately, and then there's another one, Anti-Inferno, and their record's called Fane, F-A-N-E, from Yukim Records. It's just an incendiary melodic black metal witchcraft. If Burning Souls in the Moonlight was a sound, this would be it. I love this record. Perdition Temple. This is the one I keep coming back to because it got released earlier. 04:01:54.720 --> 04:02:24.540 this year. It's just a black and death tornado. Super aggressive, relentless, rip fest. Love that record. So Balba, which just came out. Agnos and Infierno. Isn't that that guy from Phantom Menace? So Balba. Yeah, that's right. Well, this band's really hard hitting blend of metallic, hardcore doom, brutal death metal. 04:02:24.720 --> 04:02:54.680 I would say this one has more death metal on it. Yeah, it's cool. In their previous records, really, really good. And finally, I have been spinning and re-spinning my May album of the month, Cryptic Shift, Visitations from Enceladus. Enceladus. And I know John loves this too, but it's one of my favorite albums this year. It's this really unique interstellar hyper jump of progressive metal that no one 04:02:54.720 --> 04:03:24.680 I don't think. Indeed. And there you go. I gotta go. All right. So, dude, awesome talking to you, Steve. Thanks for coming to the cast. Dude, Markisan. Love you. You're awesome. I love listening to you. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Hi, man. John, I really appreciate you. Jay, you're like my favorite 04:03:27.640 --> 04:03:53.080 I have a friend like you and he's just super merciful fate, iron maiden, logical. All right, awesome. Fuck yeah, dude. All right, brothers. Well, I'll talk to you guys soon. Later, man. See you later, man. You guys have a good night. Thank you. No, don't go yet, dude. He's just leaving us. He's leaving. We got to finish. Yeah. You stick around, mister. 04:03:55.939 --> 04:03:58.260 You got like another two and a half hours ago 04:03:59.800 --> 04:04:01.720 Well, you know, it's retarded is 04:04:02.460 --> 04:04:03.880 I gotta stop saying that because 04:04:04.360 --> 04:04:06.060 you know, I got a sister that's retarded 04:04:08.620 --> 04:04:09.040 I don't 04:04:09.520 --> 04:04:12.060 Okay, that's good. You know what? Did you ever see that movie Cedar Rapids? 04:04:12.740 --> 04:04:12.900 Yes 04:04:13.560 --> 04:04:16.320 I love that. There's a scene in that where he says something like 04:04:16.800 --> 04:04:17.880 he said he's this retarded 04:04:18.080 --> 04:04:19.900 John C. Reilly who's like, no, I shouldn't 04:04:19.960 --> 04:04:21.160 you know what I mean? He's just like a 04:04:21.680 --> 04:04:24.080 and he's drunk and he's like, I got a sister's got one 04:04:24.280 --> 04:04:53.920 Downs. Sad. I just love that line, dude. Downs. Sad. No, but when he asked me what I'm listening to lately, I got like six pages front to back of things that I've been. Can I just say. I come up with. Go ahead. Nuclear stuff. You know. You know, when when when Steve and I were talking before he came on, I was like, yeah, man. 04:04:54.100 --> 04:05:23.240 We do the episodes and we get to what we're listening to. The guys give me a lot of shit about how long my list is. What's your opinion on this? And he was like, dude, I fucking love your lists. Don't fucking change. Or something to that effect. Basically, he was on my side is what I'm saying. And so, fuck y'all. I do have an affection for you, George. Well, you're the only one. 04:05:26.279 --> 04:05:54.060 And Will's shaking his head like, fuck him. Oh my god. I'm shaking my head because it's almost two o'clock in the morning. It sure fucking is. Well, let's get through this quite well. We've been doing this for nearly five hours now. This is where I get grumpy and I'm like, dude. And this is when George is like, oh, we should add in this extra episode part where we're like, we're all going to go and anyway. We could start earlier, you know. People didn't have kids. It's not about starting. Who are 04:05:54.100 --> 04:06:23.700 Who the fuck wants to listen to this for five hours? Steve, do you want to listen to this for five hours? I have been for a handful of years. All right. Point. Well, let's do it. Point made. John. John. John. Wake up, John. I'm awake. I'm just rubbing my head. It's not like it's almost two o'clock in the morning. Oh, and he grabs another sixer. Are you going to look through all of those while we're doing this? 04:06:24.080 --> 04:06:49.700 This is giant. He's an hour behind. He's good. Actually, I'm going to grab a beer. What? What? No. With the last couple, we've crept into my beer time. This is when I started drinking beer. It's so late. Jay will drink beer. Do you mind if I run upstairs as fast as I can? I'll go through my list. Jay, yeah, just go. You're not going to say anything. 04:06:54.100 --> 04:07:24.020 So, you know, I feel like I need to take like a half an hour to do this. Okay. I will drive to your house and give you Handy faster than we will end this episode. And we're done. All right. Everything that was on the new albums releases I listened to. So you can just go back and listen to that again because that was exciting. 04:07:27.319 --> 04:07:28.180 And that's it. 04:07:29.580 --> 04:07:29.800 No. 04:07:31.140 --> 04:07:31.420 Come on. 04:07:35.420 --> 04:07:35.780 Okay. 04:07:39.580 --> 04:07:40.020 Let's see. 04:07:40.380 --> 04:07:41.600 I'll second it with Markisan set. 04:07:41.700 --> 04:07:43.320 I've been listening to the cryptic shift a lot. 04:07:44.000 --> 04:07:45.900 That was your album of the month, right? 04:07:46.739 --> 04:07:48.020 It will be, yes. 04:07:48.260 --> 04:07:49.960 By the time this comes out, that'll be old news. 04:07:50.580 --> 04:07:51.820 This is going to come out in two weeks, 04:07:52.060 --> 04:07:53.900 and the album of the month will be published tomorrow. 04:07:53.980 --> 04:08:23.960 Yeah, I still have a previous episode to publish. Another five hour long. Yeah. There's that. And that's it. Literally. I mean, do you want me to read? Hold on. Let me get my out of the garbage because I already tossed it. That cosmic putrefaction, ex-genesis, lore, paradise, lost sorcerer, trypticon. All right. Wow. Yeah, definitely stuff we've already 04:08:24.060 --> 04:08:26.400 I was being serious. 04:08:28.880 --> 04:08:29.140 Will. 04:08:30.410 --> 04:08:31.380 Pretty much everything. 04:08:31.880 --> 04:08:32.580 Will, this is for you. 04:08:33.841 --> 04:08:36.200 What was that sound coming from Jay's microphone? 04:08:36.220 --> 04:08:39.180 Yeah, this is when it happens at my house. 04:08:39.250 --> 04:08:40.700 This is one of those 12 amendments. 04:08:42.621 --> 04:08:44.200 21st, 12, 12. 04:08:44.540 --> 04:08:46.280 Is that Gene's beer that you just stole? 04:08:51.021 --> 04:08:52.700 My list is super short. 04:08:52.860 --> 04:09:21.840 It's pretty much everything that John just said. I can't even remember if I'm going to put the Alchemist Sanctuary, which is my album the month for May. And my. Yep. And John, hashtag me too. John already mentioned the cosmic petrification, which I listened to today when I was digging in my backyard. And I was like, wow, this is pretty fucking good. I think it's called The Horizons Toward Which Splendor Withers. Something. Hold on, I'll tell you. 04:09:22.300 --> 04:09:52.280 But go ahead. And then Dan Clancher. Clancher? You mean Kladjenkar? The artist previously known as Kladjenkar told me he sent me the MP3s for Midian, which is Mike Schneid's intermediate band between versions of Yob. And the album's name is Age Eternal. And if you like Yob, you need to somehow 04:09:52.320 --> 04:10:22.260 I'll find Midian's Age Eternal because it's like Yob but awesome. Not Yob but awesome. It's just awesome. If you like Yob, you'll like it. What if you don't like Yob? Well then go fuck yourself because you're on it. Because you're that. That's what you are. I am. Alright. Is that it? Yeah, that's it. Because it's fucking 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, it's late. I'm going to be easy on you. I'll be easy on you too. 04:10:22.320 --> 04:10:51.840 I've mostly been listening to what was on the new release list. This week I'm just getting caught up after not having listened to a lot of new music. So I'm literally going back through the old Metalheads podcast music thread to make sure I'm catching everything. So I'm listening to a lot of different stuff, but I still continue my going back to old things I've been listening to last couple of days, listen to a bunch of UFO records and stuff. And the one I'm going to point out the most, the record I want to point out the most. Go ahead. We just passed five hours. Okay. The one record I want to point out the most though is, 04:10:52.300 --> 04:11:22.020 I too am revisiting things. I talk about this band all the time. I always pimping this band. But if I had listened to this record five more times, and I'd probably listened to it five or ten times last year, it would have been way higher on my list. And it's the latest Abandoned Ploz record. This should have been in my top five. This is so fucking good, The Ghost Experiment. It's probably their best record. And in the last two weeks, I've spun it back to back so many times. 04:11:22.320 --> 04:11:52.260 So I'm going to make that my special point because I really hope people will check that band out and that record in particular. And that's it. All right. You know, I tried to make a long list because Steve was on and he likes my long lists, but for the sake of, well, it's not that long. It's relatively short for a George list. I mean, you can make a long list. I'll just take a nap. Nah, it's only like 12. I mean, you know, I've had my 30 lists. 04:11:52.320 --> 04:12:22.280 This is the new Ail Storm album, Curse of the 04:12:22.300 --> 04:12:51.980 Crystal Coconut. Everybody's like, oh my, particularly Will's like, fuck you. It's a pirate model. I had to wait up to two fucking clock in the morning for you to mention Aelstorm. Dude, dude, you don't even know what I am. I heard it on the radio today. You don't even know what I'm sparing you. I spent so much of today being like, oh my fucking God, Aelstorm, and I was going to go through this whole fucking thing about Aelstorm, and I'm not gonna. So, 04:12:52.300 --> 04:13:21.720 You're welcome. And the three listeners also thank you. Yeah. So but seriously, Aelstorm. I'm one of those three. Fucking dude. You know, I thought maybe if Markisan was still on, he might. Do you like Aelstorm? Yeah, he said he did. He did. No, he said he was one of three. He didn't say he liked it. No. All right. So of the three listeners, 04:13:22.300 --> 04:13:23.980 Only two of them possibly 04:13:25.160 --> 04:13:25.820 like Aale Storm. 04:13:25.960 --> 04:13:27.020 I'm only up to three listeners. 04:13:27.720 --> 04:13:27.800 Yeah. 04:13:28.920 --> 04:13:30.120 But you don't like Aale Storm. 04:13:30.900 --> 04:13:32.480 You guys gotta have a bunch of listeners. 04:13:33.120 --> 04:13:33.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:13:34.080 --> 04:13:34.200 Maybe. 04:13:34.300 --> 04:13:35.320 How many listeners do you got? 04:13:35.480 --> 04:13:36.700 Yeah, three is a bunch. 04:13:36.860 --> 04:13:37.520 Yeah, I don't know. 04:13:37.920 --> 04:13:38.620 It's hard to say. 04:13:38.720 --> 04:13:39.820 I find three grapes in my hand. 04:13:39.820 --> 04:13:41.140 I say, oh, I got a bunch of grapes. 04:13:41.620 --> 04:13:41.860 Yeah. 04:13:42.460 --> 04:13:45.180 Anyway, next up, Burial. 04:13:46.600 --> 04:13:47.240 Satanic Upheaval. 04:13:47.400 --> 04:13:50.100 Third album of a UK black death band. 04:13:52.819 --> 04:14:17.880 Cemetery Filth Dominion. It's the first album from an Atlanta, Georgia death metal band. Feral Light and their third album, Life Vapor, Minneapolis black metal band. What do you think of that, Matt? Oh, wait, Matt's not here. Never mind. Izurus. I don't have that said, but Terror from the Deep. It's their first album, their Polish death metal band. 04:14:20.180 --> 04:14:49.880 This next band, I really tried hard not to listen to this band because of the name of the band. I was like, this is stupid. I'm not going to listen to this. But it kept coming up in my band camp feed. And so I finally listened to it. And it is Colliderous. Colliderous, the after party. They're an odd away. It's five fingered. 04:14:50.180 --> 04:15:19.720 Douche punch. Sorry. Calliterous. I love it. You can't pronounce it, George. Calliterous. You can't pronounce if you can't find it. Exactly. Well, I can find it just fine. In fact, it's one of my favorite things to find. But they're an Ottawa Tech Death Grind band. What decade was that? Back when I used to look at things like that. Calliterous. Yeah. 04:15:20.180 --> 04:15:22.820 I don't even know what that is but it's uh 04:15:24.761 --> 04:15:33.520 callitorises kill or kill it Taurus there you go you got it oh kill it Taurus like with a K yes with a K 04:15:33.860 --> 04:15:50.140 kill it Taurus Taurus like the mystical bull animal like the zodiac sign it's like imitation crab which is like K rap you got I feel like this should be the band fronted by Jason Mewes from uh Jay and Son of Bob's right back he's the click he's the click 04:15:50.160 --> 04:16:19.720 Yeah, sure. And because of their name, I was like, I'm not going to listen. This is stupid, but it's actually pretty good. Like, what is it? It's like tech death grind. It's like if Archspire was a little less produced, a little more grumpy and had a sense of humor. Oh, so like if they weren't that band. Yes. Next up is a band that I think will actually, 04:16:21.760 --> 04:16:24.040 I think pronounced Auclith. 04:16:26.040 --> 04:16:28.780 And the album's called Gates, Doorways, and Endings. 04:16:29.760 --> 04:16:32.820 They're a California Black Doom sludge band. 04:16:33.760 --> 04:16:35.860 Did you say I brought that to your attention? 04:16:36.140 --> 04:16:36.920 Pretty sure you did. 04:16:37.840 --> 04:16:38.660 What's the name of the band? 04:16:38.820 --> 04:16:39.240 Auclith. 04:16:39.460 --> 04:16:41.320 O-C-C-L-I-T-H. 04:16:41.400 --> 04:16:42.040 Oh, yeah. 04:16:42.220 --> 04:16:43.060 Like, yeah, sorry. 04:16:43.220 --> 04:16:45.180 I thought it was like a col-th-r or whatever. 04:16:45.699 --> 04:16:46.260 Who knows? 04:16:46.940 --> 04:16:48.720 O-C-C-I. 04:16:48.880 --> 04:17:18.660 O-C-C-L-I-T-H. These 12 albums turned into 30 albums. I'm only on like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Okay. This is my favorite part of the show. I love you. Next up, a band called Proto Sequence. And they're, I'm not sure if this is their first album. I think it's their first album. It's called A Blunt Description of Something Obscene. 04:17:18.740 --> 04:17:48.720 They're an Edmonton death metal band. We have the promo. It's in the box. I think it's their first album. They're not on Metal Archives, so it's hard to say. Proto Sequence. Proto Sequence. Next up is another band along with Vader and the other band, Sentinex, that is kind of like generic death metal, but sinister. They just released a new album called Defamation of the Holy 04:17:48.760 --> 04:18:16.320 It's their 14th album. They're from the Netherlands with their death metal band. And you get what you get. I love Sinister. Well, I did love Sinister. I didn't even know they were around for the last like 15 years. Yeah, yeah. Been around. Good on them. Next, we have Skull Crush and their album Visions of the Firestorm Eclipse. It's their second album. They're a Phoenix death metal band. Three more, Will. Can you make it? 04:18:18.740 --> 04:18:48.360 of this band, Skull Crush. I mean, that's a shit name. It is. It is. But I mean, it's okay. It was better than I thought it would be. I'm glad you're torturing us at 2.06 in the morning with something that's just okay. Hey, there's three more. Okay. I thought you said three more a couple picks ago. Three more. Ulthar, Providence. It's their second album. They're an Oakland death metal band. It's not out yet. 04:18:48.460 --> 04:19:16.960 But we got the promo? Nah, they're more black metal, in my opinion. They're black death somewhere else. No, they're just black metal. Don't argue with the Will. They just put death in there to try and get people like me to listen to it, and then I'm like, no, this sucks. Yeah, but imagine the listener. You said U-Thor from Oakland, and it hasn't come out yet. No one's going to listen to that shit. They will by the time this comes out. Yeah, but first, I don't know how to spell that. U-L-T-H-A-R. 04:19:18.899 --> 04:19:48.340 It's on 20 bucks. Ben's band can't pay just a couple songs, isn't it? Yeah. It's a 20 buck. There you go. I didn't mean to say that Ulthar sucks. I'm just more being a dick. You're just being a dick? Yes. Yes. Because it's late. Right. Well, two more if you can make fucking make it. And one of them I think you'll like, but not this one. Second to last is Vermin Womb. Their first album is called Decline. They're a Denver Black Death Grind band. 04:19:50.880 --> 04:20:18.420 All right, moving on to my last one. We've discussed this. In fact, we were kind of hoping to have them on this episode, but they never responded. And that is Warp Chamber and their album Implements of Excruciation. It's their first album. You guys keep talking about it, so I need to get it. Yeah, I think they're a U.S. Death Metal band, but there's not much about them. They are completely unresponsive. 04:20:21.779 --> 04:20:48.340 Mark the Franchise brought these guys up, so I gave it a listen. It is good. It's in the, like, tumult vein. But yeah. What vein do you think tumult is? They're in their own vein. They're in my main vein right now. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, the deicide obituary and morbid angel, like, where do they lie? No, I don't think they... I always find... I'm not going to go on, 04:20:49.100 --> 04:21:18.440 What do you think the biggest influence is? Like, you know, like they're doing a great job of carrying it forward, but I think it's a good question because they've also been returned to a sort of retro. And honestly, I don't know. Yeah. There's nothing retro. Yeah. Like to me, the old school death metal, when you hear all these new bands that come out and they say they're old school death metal, old school death metal to me is obituary. It's death. It's morbid angel. So what the fuck is this? What is their root? What is their root? So I think, I think what 04:21:18.460 --> 04:21:48.420 What leads to tumult? Right. I think what most people think, for whatever reason, old school death metal is more of the immolation, incantation crowd. Fair enough. Well, I think the immolation, incantation crowd is getting more popular now because, like, the, you know, like, the shit that's coming out now is way more cosmic and, you know, those guys. Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. That's a good, that's a good point. And I think you're right. See, because, and actually, I was like, 04:21:48.480 --> 04:22:18.440 I was quoting Markisan Markisan was talking about to mold being rooted in the past and I agree with you it's not it's not from early it's not from foundational death metal it's from like this maybe second or third wave and it's still rooted in the past but yeah it's a mystery to me looking at it like it is yeah yeah I think immolation's been around since you know the mid-90s just like deicide fair enough yeah that's true so and suffocation and you know and I think deicide is a little earlier like 04:22:19.619 --> 04:22:48.300 Yeah, a lot of those Tampa bands are a little earlier. Yeah, but I don't think that's the root of it. I mean, if you look at 93 to 95, like that, that's not a long time. I mean, by the way, it's just as an option. It's only like 25 to 27 years. Yeah. I'll say this. I had mentioned this earlier, I think, but I listened to planetary clairvoyance again today. God damn, dude. Fucking Tumor is so fucking good. 04:22:48.480 --> 04:23:17.900 Yeah. Oh, seriously. I was just, it just was so happy to be walking around listening to that record today. Yeah. No, I, I, I totally agree with you. It's just the spirit of it. There's certain bands that didn't know what they were doing that did something amazing that really brought, you know, like in that weird cosmic thing that's happening right now, like that is the incantation, immolation. Blood incantation. 04:23:19.080 --> 04:23:19.600 Well. 04:23:20.450 --> 04:23:21.200 No, no, no. 04:23:21.210 --> 04:23:22.500 I mean, I'm adding them to the list. 04:23:22.500 --> 04:23:23.740 I wasn't correcting you today. 04:23:24.300 --> 04:23:29.120 And they're even more death, you know, than they are those bands. 04:23:29.440 --> 04:23:30.000 But, yeah. 04:23:30.800 --> 04:23:31.340 No, it's cool. 04:23:31.420 --> 04:23:31.800 It's happening. 04:23:32.180 --> 04:23:38.460 And your brewery is, like, hosting all these shows and doing amazing things. 04:23:38.850 --> 04:23:39.420 Or was. 04:23:40.980 --> 04:23:41.180 Was. 04:23:41.580 --> 04:23:47.000 It is funny because almost every day I get a notification on my phone like, 04:23:47.260 --> 04:24:16.360 Oh, this shows tonight. Would have been happening. But it's not going on tonight. It hurts. Yeah. It hurts. Well, I have a ton of respect for you for what you do. And you got your family and your brewery. And you're putting on metal shows like you are. That's insane. It is. Yeah. I'm a busy guy. Well, I'm less busy now. But I used to be coaching baseball, putting on metal shows, doing the podcast, being a husband and a father and all the other stuff. And yeah, it's. 04:24:20.779 --> 04:24:21.420 You did it. 04:24:21.420 --> 04:24:22.320 You did it. 04:24:24.279 --> 04:24:26.760 Will, you left out your shift at the glory hall there. 04:24:27.120 --> 04:24:28.620 That is true. 04:24:29.160 --> 04:24:30.860 You know, social distancing, I had to give that up. 04:24:31.380 --> 04:24:35.880 All right. Now this is, this is the time where we all tell each other, we love each other and close it out. 04:24:36.160 --> 04:24:36.340 Yes. 04:24:36.560 --> 04:24:38.920 So let's get these two tired motherfuckers to bed. 04:24:39.360 --> 04:24:41.100 Hey, what about me? I'm tired. 04:24:41.780 --> 04:24:45.380 Oh, no. Well, I mean, no, no, but you have complained less about it. I will say this. 04:24:45.500 --> 04:25:15.400 That's because I'm having fun. I don't know about the rest of y'all. No, they're having fun too. And so am I. Feel free. I will leave the zoo and you can stay on and take your pants off. I'm going to cash out too. Yeah, we're good. Steve, you are a really fine, fine, most welcome guest. And I guarantee you we'll have you back. We'd love to have you back. It's obviously you love metal. You talk intelligently about it. And this has been a treat for us too. So don't for a moment think that this was whatever. This is definitely a two-way thing. 04:25:15.500 --> 04:25:45.440 for us, which is a bunch of guys like metal and beer. And so you fit right in. So thanks for coming on, dude. Exactly. Hey, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. It's actually been a surreal experience listening to you guys for as many hours as they have. It's surreal for us too. Yeah. Well, you got another five hours listening to us and yourself now. Well, seriously, I mean, to get feedback from people that actually listen, it means a lot. It does. It does. 04:25:45.520 --> 04:25:57.420 Thank you. 04:26:15.520 --> 04:26:45.440 to actually hear from people like you, it means a lot. It really, really, really does. So I'm going to put a bug in your ear, Stephen. One thing, and I know we all have to deal with money and this and that, but Decibel will already has been rescheduled. So maybe you'll try to put that on your radar and see if you can't come up and meet us all in person and have some beers with us. April 2021. Yeah. Yeah. Do it. Yeah. All right. There's enough time. 04:26:46.340 --> 04:27:14.940 We can put it together, right? Yeah, I'd like to hear that. Yeah, cool. All right. Let's all give Will a break and we will call this. So thanks for coming on, Steve. Obviously, we will continue to be in touch. Yeah. And until next time. All right, brothers. All right. Peace out. I love you, boys. Later. See ya. Be good. See ya. 04:27:15.520 --> 04:27:17.720 Have a good night, guys. Good night. Good night, buddy.