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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is John.

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This is Markasson.

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And we are joined today by Dave Kaminsky of Stonehealer.

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How are you doing, Dave?

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Hey, guys.

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I'm doing great.

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Thanks for having me.

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Glad to be here.

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Yeah, thanks for coming on. So you're just getting ready like a week from now on Friday, April 30th to release your full-length album, Conquistador. Congratulations on that. Would you mind starting off with just telling us a little bit about the album? Yeah, thank you. This has been like the all-consuming work of mine for the last like six years now.

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Going all the way back to like before Stonehealer's debut EP that we did in 2015, some of the songs and some of the riffs and some of the ideas were like, were, you know, predate that EP even. So for me, it's a hugely personal work and something that I've been like building towards in my own personal musical career for like six, seven, almost eight years maybe.

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So it's a huge release for me, like energetic and emotional release, as well as, you know, it's a release of music that I get to share with the world. And it's kind of a big deal for me personally. And I, you know, I'm really excited to finally be able to share it. And we've, we of course had the opportunity to listen to the promo. So we know what the world's in for. And I think it's great. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.

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It's fun in a lot. Yes. Oh, that's awesome. And Matt and Will aren't here, but I think I can speak for them both, too. I think they dig it, too. I fucking love it, dude. Yeah. Thank you. I'm glad you guys got a chance to listen to it and got to take it in a little bit. Yeah, that's awesome. George really pushed it. He was like, Marcus, son, I think you in particular will really like this album because we had the promo and I just hadn't gotten to it because we get so many promos. And then I was like, all right, George, I'll play this today. Yeah. And immediately after listening to it, I had to write him back saying,

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You're right. You know me, George. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because like, like Markazan said, we listen to a lot of stuff, you know, and I tend to have stuff on while I'm working and it's always a good sign. Like some of my favorite albums I've put on, like just listening to it, I'm like, okay, whatever, I'm doing stuff and I get halfway through the album before I realize, hey, this is really good. And then I have to go back and start it all over again and then I stop and pay attention.

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And this was one of those albums where I was, I mean, you know, I had the EP already. I knew, I knew what you were about and all. Um, but, uh, just because I was working, I was only half paying attention and I was like, no, I need to pay better attention to this. This is really good. So congrats on that. My goal with it. I mean, one of the things I wanted to do, I wanted to just one up everything that I did with the EP and kind of by extension, everything that I'd personally done musically before that. Like I, I wanted to take,

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everything that I'd done in the past, whether with other bands or with my own music, and just do it a hundred times better. And the way that I always envisioned something to come out of mine. And I don't think I would be happy. I wouldn't have released this album. I wouldn't have actually gotten to this point where I was ready to start putting it out if I wasn't actually happy with it. Because it was one of those for me. Dude, and good for you for being, like you said already, that it took you,

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six to seven to possibly even eight years to do this. And good for you for having the patience to be like, nah, dude, this is like, I'm going to do this right. You know, and hammer it out. That's, that's just, it was a painful process, man. It was, it sucked. I don't know if you guys gotten like the press blast, you know, the album description and stuff like that. But, you know, I wrote a little bit about, you know, what went into the songs.

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in particular. And it's kind of like a double layer thing. Cause the songs themselves are about really difficult stuff for me, uh, you know, really awful times in my life. And, uh, not only was it important for me to actually write the songs and that was like a half of the catharsis for me, but actually getting the album out there is the other half of it. Like I feel free from all of this, all of this stuff that I was trying to heal myself from.

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as a result of physically getting the album out there. So it's a big deal because I think people are going to dig the music, but it's also a big deal because I feel like I just set myself free emotionally and spiritually, and it took over my life. So I got to believe there's a metaphor here then, so why Conquistador? So the Conquistador is, I think it's a pretty nuanced concept.

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I was basically comparing the actions and behaviors of a person who tormented my life to the kind of, you know, and that kind of manipulation that I fell under to the kind of like impetus behind Age of Discovery conquers from Europe expanding into the world.

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A huge theme of the record is mistaken divinity, is what I started calling it. Where you're operating under this paradigm that you are ordained by God, or divinity of some kind, to do something.

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who terrorized me was operating under. So while I was putting the record together, it became pretty clear to me that if I wanted to create a metaphor that was not really super on the nose, that would be one way to do it. And it just kind of fell into place conceptually. The parallels continued to kind of fall into place with

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all of the specific things I needed to write about to get that out of me. You know, I felt like could continue to be expressed through like the conquistador conqueror imagery. You know, and I think I mentioned in a couple, I don't know if it was in the press release or if it was in like some other interviews I did, but it's not supposed to be a historical retrospective. It's not, you know, I'm not a historian. I have a very basic understanding.

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of what we know from that time period. But I think that just on a very basic level, like I was able to avoid minimalizing the plight of native peoples who were overtaken. That was something I really wanted to avoid. You know, I did. I never watch. I've ever seen this show, Finding Your Roots with what this fucking

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I can't remember it's a PBS show and they basically do somebody's genealogy.

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I haven't seen it now.

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Well he recently did one and it's always a famous people he does and one of this person's

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ancestry was a conquistador and it was so hard to watch this person receive this information

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because of what they fucking did you know what I mean like it's this simultaneously there's a strange pride in it but then there's also this genocide quite frankly.

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It's a powerful metaphor, man. Like, especially on such a personal level. Yeah. I don't think anything else could sum it up. And you're saying this outside influence was a particularly religious influence? Is that what you said? Or like somebody who had felt ordained by God or some bullshit like that? She did. She did. Okay. Well, I mean, I fell, I don't necessarily want to say victim, but I'll say I fell victim to,

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a radicalization of thought at a time in my life that was very precarious.

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You know, when you're 19 years old and you just are filled with hate.

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Yeah.

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And I had the wherewithal to at some point say like nothing in my life is working.

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I'm going to do literally the opposite of everything that I'm doing right now, which was like hating everything and being angry.

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This is literally rocking my world to hear you talk about this and I'm looking at the cover as we speak. We can get into the cover, yeah. I mean, this person basically, you know, I never got closure from this experience. That doesn't always happen with difficult things. So, you know, all I know is that, you know, she was a very gifted individual.

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who engaged in a patient practitioner relationship with me that over the course of like three years became perverted into this weird partnership where I had fallen into her spell of like believing some really, really out there shit.

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Sure.

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And becoming completely convicted.

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Like, beyond a shadow of a doubt convicted. Like, she inceptioned ideas in me, like, that my family was trying to kill me. My brother was trying to kill me. Everyone around me was, their souls were turning black and they were trying to turn mine black every single day. I mean, it's the type of thing where if you don't, it's like one small step every single day will get you there. But if you try to tell somebody that,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All once. Even I would just be like, well, you're fucking insane. That's ridiculous. Sure. The right wing nuts in our country did not wake up one day and have Tucker Carlson tell him all that to go to Capitol or whatever. To be honest, Jay, it's not just right wing. I think in any situation, it's very easy to happen. It's happened throughout history numerous times. And you're right. You just wake up one day and you're like, how did I just

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So I have two thoughts about that. One is the concept of grooming, which is like comes up in sexual abuse and also sort of Stockholm syndrome. There's some of that too, you know, you know what, but you say the album did provide some closure for you. Correct. I mean, is that, isn't that how you stated it? Or it just maybe you. Well, I mean, it's set you free. Things are complicated. It's, it's, it's freeing. Like I have found my own closure in that.

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I decided I was not going to get closure. I had to come to that understanding. I had to realize that and accept it for myself. I'm not going to know whether the things that I was told were based in truth. I'm never going to know that. Can I suggest that that's true in life, dude? Nobody's happy until they get that. Until you get like, there's not some prize at the end of this or somebody's going to get all the answers. It's just not how it works.

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And that's why I think I made a point of saying that, you know, acceptance and allowance and forgiveness of self and others. That's like a huge crux of the music as a whole. It's like the intention behind the music. Yeah. So, you know, it's I hope that my evolution and discovery and allowance of myself to have peace will inspire other people to also find their own peace and their own life.

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I'm inspired, dude. I'm inspired because that's hard. No, I'm not joking. When you get out into that confusing world of what's true and what's not, and that could just be your own thoughts about what people think of you, whatever the fuck it is, there's two choices. You can either get nihilistic about it or you can do the acceptance thing that you do. Selective nihilism is where I like that. Yeah. If you can't find closure, you can sometimes find solace. And that's what it sounds like you did with this album. Well, I like the, I like finding closure and knowing you're not finding closure. That's a great statement.

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That's cool. I feel like I don't have the lyrics to this record and I need them. This is going to be a problem. Yeah. If you guys don't have them, they're up on, where are they? They're shared somewhere. I'll make sure that you guys can check them out. Thank you. Presumably they'll be on Bandcamp when it's released on Bandcamp. They'll be there. Definitely. In a strange way, you say that you might not have closure, but by acknowledging you won't get it, in a sense, you're kind of closing it off.

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and moving on yourself.

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Anyway, it may not be the closure you thought or wanted,

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but maybe you taking over for yourself and saying, you know what?

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This is mine now.

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I'm not going to deal with this shit anymore.

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And I'm going to put out a fucking killer record on top of it.

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That in itself is, is.

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I was going to add that to your statement, John.

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He got out alive and he got a kick-ass record out of it.

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So I'm glad that,

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that this long journey has come to fruition and can go forward.

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I'm glad too.

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Go ahead, George, I'm sorry.

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When I was reading the press release about it and sort of the backstory on it and listening to it,

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I think part of what connects so well to me with the record is the real emotion coming through in these songs.

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I have a lot of empathy for it. And it just hits me in the feels, you know? And I'm like, I, you know, some of the vocals, they're just raw. And I didn't hold anything back in that way. I wanted somebody to literally see a window into my soul. If they were willing to look when they listen, like look, you know, like that. I wanted them to see who,

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I am and I wanted to transmit the anguish yet at the same time I didn't want the record to be like an exaltation of that state I wanted it I didn't want to frame it that way yeah you want to be a reporter not a yeah well you know I think that I'm I'm I don't think anyone could be more optimistic with an outlook than I am I am a

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and optimistic person. And I can't change that anymore, which is a complete 180 from who I was before this entire ordeal started. So it's like with that, knowing that I wanted the message or like the takeaway from this to be overwhelmingly positive. And this is real.

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like as heavy as human emotion can get. But here I am. I'm living and breathing. I somehow made it through this coercion of physical, spiritual, mental coercion and manipulation and am better for it. If I may, I want to add two quick things. One is,

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You pulled Inception a while back, and I'm glad you did that because it's a great movie, and I totally understood the reference as far as somebody influencing your thought. Second, I just want to say this is such a nice conversation to have because I have this pet peeve about metal in particular where people are always trying to legitimize it and say things like it's like classical or this or that, and it doesn't have to be legitimized. It's fucking art, and the fact that you approached this way to me, you know what I mean? It doesn't need an attack on. People are always trying to go like, well, metal is like art because it's

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It's close to classical. Fuck you. Metal's art because it's art. And so it's nice to know somebody would want to express a story like this with that amount of emotion and push and understood that you could do it through this art form that people, I think, are a little dismissive of, quite frankly. Metal is intense music. It's intense sonic output. I mean, that's really what it is at its core. We couldn't listen to a metal record like that we love and say, well, this isn't intense at all. I mean, even

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Even soft stuff, even stuff that employs generally less abrasive sounds, that can be just as intense. I mean, for me, like on the record, the fifth song, Until My Will Is Gone, which is the most recent single that we put out, I've said that's the most intense piece of music I have ever either heard or created myself. And I think it's because of the tension and because of the emotional weight behind it.

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And, you know, I don't identify myself as a metal person anymore. I want to be identified as a music professional, first and foremost. And then I want to be identified as somebody who writes songs that connect with people. And I do it in an intense way, because that's what I love. But, like, metal is cool. I like blast beats. You're in the right place.

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So what you're saying is, if you're looking for... Oh, hey, wait, hold the phone. Look who's here. Matt just showed up. I apologize, John. Hey, Matt. Hey, Dave. Good to meet you, Dave. He figured Will's not here. He's going to put on his black album background. But now I rudely interrupted John. No, I was just going to say, to bring some levity to this, because this has been good, but if you're looking for white snake lyrics, I mean, not your jam.

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Oh, let's see. Yeah, you're right. No, I keep it real. I keep it a little too real sometimes. You know, speaking of that, just if you're cool with that, I was going to say, if you're listening and you think that's a lot that you've taken in, there's a little other something that's in the press release that I thought was a lot. And that is if you're a fan of Alice in Chains, Helheim, Ulster, Kralis, Dothheim,

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and Paradise Lost, you might find that you like this. I'm like, wow, that's a lot to unpack on an album, man.

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You're covering all your bases there.

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And I would say to George, I'm hearing even other stuff. So I think that speaks volumes about the album, too. It goes in a lot of directions, but it goes in directions I haven't heard before, which is really cool.

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Yeah, there was the part with all those bands you mentioned, and then there was another part in the earlier, I think, in the press release, where it said, it likened it,

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to Alice in Chains and also as well as the others. But those were the two that it mentioned. And I was like, you know, you would think that's a seemingly vast gap between two sounds. But when you listen to the album, it's not. You know, I can hear that. And that's part of, you know, why it's just, I'm trying to find words here. It's just an incredible album. Well, I think with Alice in Chains, I mean, we can talk more about these guys, you know, in other kind of areas.

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But Alice in Chains and Ulcerate, to me, they each create a state of being that is perfect. Like, when you listen to specific albums from those bands, they've succeeded in creating just a state of being. Alice in Chains is like anguish-filled, shooting from the hip, fucking rock and roll. It's heavy as balls.

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It's melodically complex. It's dark. But it's dark with a wry smile. And I fucking love that. That's what I love about music. And more than what I love, they created something that was so perfectly them. It, like, just is. And Ulcerate does that, too. And I struggled to find other bands that create something that is so perfectly them.

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It doesn't even have to be the most unique thing. It's just that they've created

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atmospheres and vibes and feelings

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that are so complete and enveloping.

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Like, that's what I

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that's what I

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I wanted to do that

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through my influences for myself.

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That was my goal.

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And that's why I connected those two in the first place

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is that like

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they're the best examples of these

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separate. It's so true. You get totally

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immersed in their atmospheres.

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Like when I throw on dirt for Alice in Chains. Fuck yeah, man. Definitely. You're really in that headspace, you know. Not like anything else. Yeah, it does. And you don't, there's no breaks on the album. You just want, for me at least, that's one of my favorite albums. I just gotta, fuck it. I got nowhere to be for 20 minutes. I can't finish this album. I'm gonna have to finish this album. You know, or I'm late, you know. You know, it's interesting because there is no one else that sounds like Alice in Chains.

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It's not like Days of New tried

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Oh God

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They didn't do a very good job

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But think of it

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Like I know Markisan like King's X

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There's literally only one other band I can think of

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That sounds like King's X

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That's Galactic Cowboys

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So yeah, it's interesting you mentioned Alice in Chains

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Because really nobody sounds like them

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They created their own

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Style of music almost in a sense

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And they're not grunge

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I fucking hate that

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That's just my own personal opinion

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Well, yeah

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It is. It's all rock and roll. He says he's a metalhead. Yeah. Also writes rock and roll. Fuck it. Yeah. You know, weird offshoot on that. There's a documentary I want to suggest to you guys called Class Action Park. And it's about a park in New Jersey where all those people got hurt all the time. And it's totally worth watching just because it's hilarious because it's the 80s and everybody's getting hurt on these fucking rides that were not designed for human beings.

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But weirdly in the middle of the documentary apparently Headbangers Ball filmed there once in the 80s and Lane Staley and the guitar player. They go on all the rides and it's fucking hilarious dude. It was just like something they put into the documentary. It was fucking weird dude. I can't recommend it enough. It's a fucking hilarious documentary but it's a little dark too. I was going to say Jay when you said that it was 80s and metal and parks. I was like that was every parking lot.

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for every show.

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I can't believe I'm sure you've heard it's called action park.

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You guys have heard of this.

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Look at it.

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It's in my queue to watch.

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It's totally fucking great,

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dude.

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Yeah.

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I get a weird Alice in Chains.

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But Dave,

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I was going to ask you about the name stone healer.

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Is that something that's informed by your experiences as well?

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Cause healing,

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we've talked about that a lot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So,

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uh,

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there was a reason that I came up with stone healer.

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I was,

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I was,

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uh,

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I was looking for my brother and I had an old band called Autolity back in the day. It was like straight. We tried to be straight up New England black metal. It wasn't. It was just fucking whatever. But like when we stopped that, I like needed to come up with a new moniker for myself because I was going to just kind of make music that's really personal to me. And our last name Kaminsky. It it means. It's the SKY, I guess.

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I guess it means like your family were stone carvers with a patriarchal family and SKI was a matriarchal family origin I guess but stone like I kind of found out about that looking up my name and you know I felt like that'd be a cool thing to incorporate and I started stone healer at like you know in like

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I put out the EP in 2015. And that was, that was like literally right when all the crazy stuff with, with that person, that terrorizer was coming to a head. And I was just emerging from like this brainwash. Uh, and one of the things was she was teaching me to be a healer, to, to be a energetic healer.

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And that's what she marketed herself as. And, you know, nobody had the band name. Cool ring to it. I'm Stonehealer now. You know, there's an extra level there, too, dude. And it might be intentional, but Stonehealer sounds like healing through some sort of harsh process. You know what I mean? Like healing through stones, you know, and quite possibly falling upon stones or something. So it really works well with the concept of your album, you know? Yeah.

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That's all in there. That's all in there. Cool. I'll buy that. Being that this is such a personal record, when you started out writing these songs, was it, you know, I know ultimately you feel free, but was it difficult to start writing about these things? You know, like writing these things, were you going, well, does this,

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accurately portray what I'm feeling. Like, is it doing justice to what I went through? Because such strong emotions, you know, you could go and you could do the whole thing and then look back and go, yeah, that's an okay album, but it doesn't really nail what I felt, you know? Like, is it, you know, was it difficult to get into that process? That was never something I had to think about.

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I would just break down and cry. And I would get the words that make up the poems that make up the song lyrics. And I would write them down and I'd be dripping tears onto my notebook. That's interesting. And that's it. Because I, it was painful. It was, it was terrible and awful to write those songs. I remember sitting in my apartment in St. Petersburg, Florida, and I was sitting there with my acoustic

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And I, in 2013 or so, thought that I was now evil and that I was going to infect the world with my evilness and that I was a lost cause and I was hopeless and that, well, I guess I'll just write some songs. And as the songs evolved and as I started to kind of editorialize what I was writing and the poetry that was coming out,

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They kind of started to take shape into real songs. And I mean, for example, like to this day, I can't read the lyrics from the fifth song until my will is gone without breaking into tears. I can't read them. I can't think about those words without losing it.

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Well, I think you did your job then. Yeah. Somebody once said, and I don't recall who this was, and I think it's more about writer's block, but it's a saying that I like, and it was that the art of writing is to stare at a blank page patiently until blood drips form on your forehead. Because writing is so hard to capture what you're trying to capture. I always found, as someone who used to extensively write lyrics back in the day, that I had a lot of

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I had trouble writing in the moment. Like the, when the emotions were too hot and fresh, I couldn't like think straight enough. I always had to write about things after I dealt with them and could look back objectively. So I think it's really cool that you were able to do that because I've never been able to do that personally. Uh, maybe I'm just too emotional. I don't know, but. Well, it's, it's let the fire flow. Like I'm in this, I don't know. I feel like with

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A lot of artistic disciplines, a creator will allow themselves to just enter a trance-like state of fucking I'm in this now. And you fuel intentionally without trying to do anything. You just fuel the fire that is in your belly that just exists in you. The thing that makes you a fiery complex.

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difficult,

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difficult,

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interesting,

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awful,

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amazing human being.

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You let that bubble to the surface and you receive the words that you're supposed to write on the page.

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And then you write them down.

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For me,

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it comes out as poetry.

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I start anytime I write anything,

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it's going to be a song.

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I write,

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I just write a couple of stanzas of poetry and more times than not,

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It can be massaged into something that works lyrically in the context of a song. And you just let yourself go to that really raw, really emotional place, like just being essentially a channel for yourself. Do you write these poems first or do you have the music first and then you start writing lyrics or is it just... Whatever. Maybe I'll... I think that... I think it can be equally powerful

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as a release to sit with a guitar and just let your fingers go where they go and make some chords and stretch your fingers in weird places and see what intervals you can create. And then all of a sudden, oh, I need to go up here. Like, and now a different pattern. And then all of a sudden you've got like the start of something, you know, without even considering you're writing a song. Just like,

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I'm allowing my fingers to speak. I'm allowing my soul to speak through my fingers by the vessel of this guitar. I think the same goes for when you sit in silence in a pitch black room and you just cry and then you take pen to page. It's the same kind of release for me. So the order doesn't matter. I don't think writing the songs matters. To me, it's like, let that shit out.

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Yeah. Purge it. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're done with it. Yeah. All right. I should note that, you know. So many people keep their feelings in and never, they bottle it up and they never release it and it just, it eats it. You're like a, like a cancer. In fact, it'll fucking give you cancer. Probably. Yeah. Probably. I mean, and I'm not speaking metaphorically. I mean, if your body's a medical expert. Well, I would say this disease, disease is just two words. Dis-ease.

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You know, I mean, that's how we get sick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Whoa, dude. We don't know other ways to get sick. Yeah, that's a real thing. But I mean, that's really the etymology of that word. But I, of course, there are very real medical ways to get sick. Take that with a grain of salt. Nah, man. This whole, like, pandemic thing, it's a bunch of bullshit. It's not real. Uh-oh. Just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Don't try to indoctrinate him again. Jesus. Leave the man be. We'll get to some of that bullshit later.

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All right. So Stonehealer is you and your brother, Matt, who plays drums and you do everything else. Yeah. So you and your brother have been playing together since you were young. Oh, yeah. How did the two of you get started playing? Like, did you both start playing instruments at the same time or did one of you start and then the other one did? And how did you gravitate towards your respective instruments? Well, there's a musical lineage.

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I just want to make a joke because that's what I do. But I really wanted that question to be, how did you guys meet? Anyway, please. It's a brawl. Neighborhood brawl. That's right. But in any case, the musical lineage as you spoke. Yeah, like the family. I mean, my dad, our dad is a professor of music theory at the University of Connecticut. Oh, fuck yeah. Born into that.

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My mom, in her first life, was a concert pianist. And she then kind of became a photographer. She's a professional photographer. My maternal grandfather, John Bova, was one of the rock star trumpet players on Broadway in the 1950s. First chair trumpet on Broadway for 20 years.

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My uncle, Jeff Bova, is a world-class producer, arranger, keyboard player for years. I mean, he toured, I mean, he wrote a lot of his own music, but he toured with Herbie Hancock, and he's done a lot of serious producing, arranging, contributing, you know, in modern times. So it's like, you know, my brother and I were going to play instruments.

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Like, there was no getting around that. Like, we were going to be musicians. We had to at least do it for a little while. So they started my brother on, my parents started my brother on violin and very quickly realized that he was a drummer. By the way, he played the violin. Yeah, yeah, he did not. No, he just thought, nah, that wasn't going to work. They very quickly realized we need to put him on a drum set. How do you blast beat strings?

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Yeah, you can. I'll tell you how. I'm just thinking of Jimmy Page. It doesn't go like this. It goes like that. He slaps his butt. That's right. That's true. I just thought of that. I was like, for a second. And my parents started me on cello, which was really, actually, it was really important. And I obviously hated it because I was a little contrarian piece of shit when I was a kid. Aren't we all? Yeah. Well, I was a lot. So I kicked and screamed, but it helped.

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It helped to make me the guitar player that I ended up being. And I still love, I have come back to loving cello as an instrument. But Matt and I started actually jamming together and trying to play music together when he was about nine. And we have a four-year age difference. So he was nine and I was 13, 14. That was the very beginning of our jams. And that was also the very beginning of when I was getting into

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Like bands like like lamb of God was my first metal band. Like, sure. I love this band. Like, oh my God, I love this band. And then we got into like, you know, when your brother is like, you get into stuff at the same time, because like, I'll find like sick metal and be like, all right, you have to listen to this because you're my brother. You like, you don't get to choose whether you listen to this. Like you're fucking listening to my music. So we, you know, lamb of God,

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Turned into In Flames, turned into Children of Bodom, turns into Meshuggah, and we started to get into more extreme metal at that point. And we're like 10, 12, 14, trying to play Lamb of God songs and In Flames songs. We just kind of worked it out together. We figured it out. How'd you jump from cello to guitar? I mean, not musically speaking, but just like, at what point were you like, well,

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you know he's playing drums I want to get a guitar or you know I picked up the guitar first I think before he did because the four-year age difference so I must have been I was in like seventh grade when I when I declared that I want to be Kurt Cobain that is what I want to be when I grow up I want to be Kurt Cobain actually the picture that inspired me was uh it's on the inside cover of in utero is Kurt with pink hair I was like I don't know why but like I need

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to be him. And from that moment on, like, I mean, I remember being in like seventh, eighth grade with, with my first guitar, like thinking, all right, he wrote all these chords with three and four or songs with three and four chords, right? There's gotta be some more, like there's gotta be more songs left with three and four chords, right? So like, I tried to scientifically, and I'm a fucking idiot, so I don't know how to do math, like fucking stupid idiot. I'm trying to like plot out all of the different combinations of

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of chord progressions that I could use to make the sick Nirvana song that they never made. That was what got me off cello. I needed to be Kurt Cobain. That was it. And you know that now AI just writes new Nirvana songs. Also ironically in the Nirvana Unplugged, which was the in utero period, they had a cello player. Yeah, that too.

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I was a Nirvana fan, but their Unplugged was pretty awesome. I was a huge Nirvana fan. I saw them like six. They were very good in that setting. I still am. I got to see him like six months before he died. That was an amazing show. They did something that I don't think a lot of people realize. When they covered Bowie, the man who sold the world, it was like, oh, this is a great song they played. You could sense that it kind of inspired

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Bowie pissed him off because that song immediately got added back to his set when he hadn't played it in like 20 years. He started playing that song again. And I was like, this is awesome. He wanted to remind people whose song it was, you know? Hopefully it just inspired him. I would go with that, yeah. I would love it if it pissed him off. I think that's beautiful. Yeah, because it inspired him some way. When you're like a figure, like you are a,

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Larger Than Life figure like David Bowie at that era. If something inspires you to anger or spite, fuck yeah, that's awesome. You think you can play this song? That's my song. It's such a great version of the song, though. I have a hard time thinking he thought it wasn't good or he wanted to cover it. I would guess just knowing how I didn't know, but just reading about it, I would guess that he probably got inspiration from that. I mean, he opened for Nine Inch Nails because

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He wanted to.

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You know,

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Nine Inch Nails should have been their road crew.

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He should have been opening for them.

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You know,

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speaking of speaking of covers and,

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or John,

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along those lines,

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there's a documentary about that tour where Bowie opened for them.

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And it's more about Nine Inch Nails,

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but there's a funny scene where he's talking to Trent Reznor and he tells a

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horrible anecdote about how somebody came up to him and asked him,

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why is David Bowie covering a Vanilla Ice song?

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Because of,

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because of an under pressure.

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And yeah,

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And they just fucking bust up over it. It was just like, you know, people are, yeah. That had to be hard for a monster giant man like him. Yeah. Just real, real quick. I'm pissed. I didn't go to that tour because he played his low album on that tour. And that's one of my favorite albums from him. I'm like, fuck, had I known he was going to do that? I would have went, but I didn't want to go in our area. George knows this. You know, we have a, it's what is it now? Jiffy Lube. Yeah. They played at Nissan. I'm like, I'm not driving out there at fucking five o'clock on a Friday.

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or something. Oh, yeah, that'd be hell. I might as well just leave on Thursday to get there. Yeah, it literally takes like two and a half hours to go a half mile. Yeah. So I did see that tour, but it was a secret last minute show that was announced. I worked at a record store, so I just got tickets and David wasn't there, but it was fucking great. I wanted to. I hate you right now because I got that ice ice baby sauce. Sorry, brother. Oh, my God. If Marcus and I can fix it for you, just look for the video where he tries to actually just

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on MTV. Jay's laughing, so he must have seen it. He's like, oh no, we added a bass in there. Ours is different. And I'm just like, somebody punch him in the face right now. I could actually do that. The explanation is this. It goes like this. Ours goes like this. That's that first note. It's not on the Bowie thing. He with a straight face said that.

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Nirvana thing real quick.

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Because I wasn't quick enough to slide it in when we were actually talking about it.

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But talking about emotional songs, I think it was Jay maybe mentioned the lead belly.

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Kurt's vocals on Where Did You Sleep Last Night is probably one of the most emotional gut-wrenching gut punches I've ever fucking heard.

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I mean, that is just raw emotion in that song.

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And I heard that there were actually more songs they were going to play. And he was like, how do you fucking follow that? And so they didn't do them. Like, I don't, I don't care whether you like personally like Nirvana or not. Like, I feel like it's our, it's kind of like a responsibility to somebody who loves music to at least appreciate the fact that this, that even if you don't like his voice or you don't like the songs or this or that, that like, it is truly an outpouring. It is an expulsion of sonic passion.

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And like, just objectively speaking, it's powerful. I happen to love Kurt and Nirvana, but like, I think the same thing can be said for artists like that I don't personally like. Like, I've never enjoyed the Beatles. But there are some truly passionate and beautiful and like, just human, just the beauty of humanity evoking Beatles songs that I have to appreciate.

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I don't know. I really love I'm So Tired. I don't know if you're familiar with that. With the whole, I'll give you everything I got for a little peace of mind. Man, he's just like, he's crying out there. That's... You want to hear some primal scream, John Lennon, you listen to the song Mother off of the Yoko Ono. Yeah. Plastic Ono Band stuff. It has a great fucking song. There's a version on live in New York City. I can't recommend enough. That's wild. I've heard that, yeah. It's a mama come home, dad, or mama don't go, daddy come home. That's, oh my God. It's wild. It's literally,

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They scream therapy, but he still sounds like John Lennon singing and his fucking bitching. It's beautiful. I love that shit. I don't like John Lennon, but I love that shit. Although, gee, that show you're talking about, is that the video that they released at some point? Yes. Yeah. It's actually a really good show. And I'm not a John Lennon fan either, but that's a good show though. Yeah. I want to say it was a benefit of some sort. It's the one where he's wearing like an army jacket. Yeah. Yeah.

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Karma is the popular video from that that you see a lot of times that they show and whenever they're doing any kind of whatever it is documentary or. Yeah, but there's a version of of mother on there with just an electric piano is fucking heartbreaking. Yeah, you know, since it's too bad. Will's not here to yell at me for this, but I'm going to go pop for a second for this. Yeah, this is just the first thing. Yeah, listen to the show. Don't worry. Well, no, no, it's like, you know, I've in the past I've I've mentioned Lady Gaga.

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Lady Gaga and even the recent Taylor Swift folky albums. But I heard a song on TV the other day. Watching a TV show where people sing. Not like an American Idol show, but Zoe's Infinite Playlist. All right. Don't judge me. And in this show, they sing a lot of songs, sort of like Glee, you know, where they would, you know, there'd be stuff and then they would sing.

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And there was this song that was just heart-wrenching. And I had to look it up. And it was a Demi Lovato song. Which, not a fan. Not going to cross that line. Not a fan. But this song was called Anyone. Liar. What's wrong with Demi? I'm just not a fan. You're going to shit on Demi Lovato? No. No, I'm just saying I'd have nothing against her. I'm just not like, yay, I have the album. You're not attaching your name to her cause, yeah. Right. I don't have the album, but I did look up the song. The song Anyone.

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If you listen to that, man, she is just pouring her heart out in that song. It is gut-wrenching. I'll make a note of that. I want to listen to that. Just go to YouTube. It's on there. It's called Anyone. Yeah. All right. Back to the interview portion of the podcast. Yeah, and I have a question just because we didn't do some of the basics, but where are you, Dave? What state are you in? I am in North Carolina. I have relocated. I relocated a

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A little over a year ago from my natural home of Eastern Connecticut to the Asheville, North Carolina area. Nice. Is your dad still teaching music theory? It sounded like that was a current affair. He's about to retire, actually. This is his last semester, but he's been a very well-respected professor at UConn for 25 years or something like that.

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was he curated a Joni Mitchell conference where scholars of Joni Mitchell's music, including himself, because he deserves to be in that category, analyzed the music and recreated some of the music and had a huge conference that attracted a lot of attention and presented her with an honorary doctorate.

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It was a wild and really wide-spanning endeavor.

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Did she come? She was there?

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She was not there.

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How's she doing? Because she went dark after that stroke.

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She's a very private person, from what I understand.

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But from what I know, she was very appreciative of the honor

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and has been furnished a copy of the video recording

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because there were live performances and talks and really in-depth analysis.

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So he's been doing that and he's doing great

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And not to go off on a tangent here but do you know if she's physically well

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Do you guys remember she had like a real serious stroke a couple years ago?

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Didn't know that

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Yeah like she was at death's door I think but

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I think she's not at death's door currently

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I think she's doing okay

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Yeah I think she's that much more well

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I just don't know if she's living with impediments now because of it

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In any case none of my damn business

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And it was funny because I was going to say yeah diamonds and rust

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Which is jumped by us

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Which is a whole other thing. Dave, what do your parents think of your music, of your album? They were, when I got the Masters back, actually, shit, when did I show them the record? Yeah, I was living with my parents during most of the creation of the album. And my parents and I have a great relationship with my brother and I. I mean, it's, we have,

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We have kind of an awesome family.

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And they've always been extremely supportive of my brothers and I's musical endeavors.

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But when I was finally, I think I showed them the record in full when I had finished the mixes, finished mixing the record, which I had done actually here in North Carolina.

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And I was up in Connecticut doing some work in November.

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I had to quarantine, do the whole thing.

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And I stayed with them for a few days.

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And I showed them the record.

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We all sat down and we listened to it.

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We just consumed it front to back.

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And we were, I mean, we were all crying by the end of it.

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Like, because my folks knew what had happened.

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Like, I, you know, I have a good enough relationship with my parents that, you know, I'd let them in after the fact, you know, and we figured some stuff out together.

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But, you know, it's like they'd been listening to me practice these riffs and these songs and these vocal parts, and they've heard these drum parts for like five years. So it's like, they were called, oh, that's that part of the song that you always warm up with. They got it. I mean, my parents love the album. They think it's cool. They think it's awesome. And I have, my brother and I both have eternal gratitude for what my parents,

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have been in terms of supportive and just like a steady force for good in our lives they just give a shit about our music and what we wanted to do so that's great as for better that's awesome very very lucky very grateful very fortunate you gotta tell me though Dave you mentioned it was your uncle you said right that played with Herbie Hancock yeah was there ever a push for you towards fusion at all oh I mean never a push

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I love fusion and it's always it's always cool to hear people bring up that when it comes to conversation.

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It's funny I think you know when I was starting to really get into music and find my own voice in music you know I was 12 13 14 like really decided I wanted to like at least play an instrument well you know I my parents set me on a little pilgrimage to go visit Jeff in Los Angeles.

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And, you know, like during that stay, we went to, I forget what theater it was, but in West Hollywood, we went to some metal, we went to a Nile show, Jeff and I. And it was, there was three bands. It was Nile and Unexpect. I don't know if you guys are familiar. I know. Yeah, I've seen them. It's fucking insane. Unexpect were a fucking trip. They were my favorites for a long time.

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And, you know, Jeff was, he really enjoyed the show, but afterwards, I remember Jeff said to me, like, that Unexpect band, like, if I were in a band, if I were starting a band today, like, I would be in a band like that. Like, that is the kind of band that I would be in. As when Jeff was 19, 20 years old, he was in a wild prog fusion, almost metal band in the 70s called Flying Island. They're really hard to find.

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But I recommend you guys go check out this band Flying Island. They made two albums. And it's just like, it's like metal. It's like real metal. It's like prog fusion metal. Nice. So he got it. Sounds like John would love it. He is so owner alert. We just always, I don't know. The fam has always never really pushed us into what we wanted to do. It's just been like, figure out your voice and go do it or whatever. That's awesome.

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Yeah. So you just said fusion metal in Prague. I'm like, whoa. Woo. I'm getting hot here. And also a band you don't know about, John, which is, you know, that's, you know, a lot. So findable. I just found it. So it's out there, John. You can find. I saw found one of the records. Sweet. So how did you end up going from Connecticut to North Carolina? Oh, boys. Oh, boys. I was chasing a girl. Oh, okay. That makes sense.

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Well, all right. So, so, okay. Let's just, I'll give you the quick, the quick run down here. Okay. Cause this is great. It was great. It gives you an idea of who I am and how ridiculous I am sometimes. Um, so, uh, I was living out of my car for a little bit in 20, uh, the beginning of 2019, late 2018. And I was like, ah, I got to get out of Connecticut. Like, ah, I got to go somewhere else. And, uh, I like fell.

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I fell in love with with with like Nashville and Knoxville and Asheville and and then I you know I fell in love with some girl in Knoxville and and I go back to Connecticut and then I like and I like crashed my car and I couldn't go do this anymore I was like I don't know what I'm gonna do so then a old friend of mine in Las Vegas was like hey Dave why don't you come out to Vegas like you're down on your luck I'll fly to Vegas fly to Vegas fall in love with Las Vegas like

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I guess I'm moving here now. So six months later, I am kind of casually seeing some girl in Connecticut and also still planning on moving to Las Vegas. I get in my car. I drive my ass to I try to drive my ass to Las Vegas. I thought I could do it in three days from Connecticut. Turns out Connecticut to Las Vegas is not three days driving. That's a long drive. Not by yourself. Long drive. So this was this was late 2019.

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And like many people, I got sick with a mystery virus while I was driving across the country to Las Vegas. And I literally was hallucinating and almost drove off the road in Springfield, Missouri in late November 2019. And I took that as some sign that I need to turn back around, drive 30 hours straight back to Connecticut, and then instead move to the city.

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to Asheville, where this girl that I was currently seeing was actually moving in three months. So the next week, I put a down payment on a house in Asheville because I'm a fucking crazy person. And I basically moved to Asheville sight unseen three months later. The thing with the girl blew up before we even got there. And then the pandemic hit, and I've been here ever since. At least you have good beer there. I do have that.

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I go to Asheville every year. I drive down to Atlanta for Prague Power. And the last, George and I did it, God, how many years now, George? Five years ago? Is it really that long ago? Good Lord. Yeah, we stopped near Charlotte. But since I've been going down myself after that, I've been stopping in Asheville every time and just getting obliterated, you know, with fun running around the city hitting, yeah. Do you know this brewery? What's the name? We'll get to that in a little bit.

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Check that out. Yeah. Asheville beer. It's it's for real, man. It really is for real. What's the one? What's the one? Burial. Is that there? We went to burials there. Yeah. Probably the most well-known. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's just so many places to go. You can go to a different place every time when you're down there. It's like being in Portland or in Bend, Oregon. Same thing. So. All right. Well, so you recorded the album at your own studio, Wormwood, which I assume moved.

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Moved from Connecticut to North Carolina, since that's where you are. Is in the process of moving. Okay. Um, I, so like, I'm, I'm currently like, I'm sniffing the finish line of renovating my house into being a full service studio and workstation workplace for me and artists that want to come work with me. Um, so like, I'm almost done with that. I'm like, I spent the entire day today, like wiring snakes and, uh, and

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I've done that. I built a studio in my parents' basement that I used like twice before I decided that I don't really want to record other people. But like we, I had like two rooms, I had a control room and you know, a recording room had like, we like dropped a ceiling and put like extra installation, insulation in there to two windows at an angle between the rooms, double doors.

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The whole nine yards. I mean, and it's, and like, I've got the, the, the plate in the wall, so you can check it in one room and come out the other way, the everything. It did all of that. And now it's just. I love that George. I love that that whole story goes like that. It took you however long to build this. And at the end, you were just like, yeah, I don't want to do this. I got, well, you know, I recorded a couple of bands and I was like, this is a pain in the ass. Bands don't have any money. You know? So, uh, and the ones that, the ones that do don't want you to record.

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them and that's not an offense to you.

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It's just, yeah.

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They actually want me to record them.

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Exactly.

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They were like, where is Dave?

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We came for Dave.

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Who are you?

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Well, I'm excited to get back to work.

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I will be back to work very soon.

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And I'm going to be doing records all over this summer.

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So I'm a place to work here.

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But I did half the record myself.

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And I recorded the drums and part of the guitars and part of the vocals and part of the bass at this studio called Power Station New England in Waterford, Connecticut. I saw some pictures from there. I was like, ooh, pretty wood. Yeah, it's a yard-for-yard recreation of the original Power Station, which was a legendary recording studio in New York City. And it's one of the most gorgeous, beautiful,

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sounding recording rooms.

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The main room is like, it's like a wooden recording spaceship and they have a gorgeous

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vintage Neve console in there. And it's, it's a wonderful studio.

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The process of recording the record was, was really difficult for me. Cause I,

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I was at like a crossroads in my own career as an audio engineer where I, I was feeling not confident that I could do justice to my music.

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And I, for the first time in my life, wanted to have the experience of just being the artist. I just wanted to be an artist. I wanted to be a fucking rock star. And I tried that out, and it sucked. And what it taught me is that I'm actually really fucking good at my job as an audio engineer, as a recording engineer. And I was waiting for the person that I had hired to engineer to do that.

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some of the things that I would do with my artists. And I didn't get that. And I guess I was expecting a certain workflow that I had to learn through that experience. It's not default. It's not like what people just do. It's like what I do. And it's what I bring to the table as a recording professional. So it was an experience that transcended just making my own music.

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I grew into who I am today through it because I had to learn like, yeah, I'm not bad at doing this. I'm actually good at doing this. I had to learn my own worth and it cost me money. A lot of it. It cost me time. A lot of it. But I ended up with a sick record. That's great. And I ended up learning my value to the world and to myself. So can't complain. That's awesome.

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Well, George, you're the production police. What do you think of the Stonehealer record production? Sounds amazing. It's great. Agreed. No complaints. I tend to be the guy that goes, it's a little muddy or, you know, no problems here. No problems here. Oh, that's great. I'm glad. Yeah. I mixed it. I mixed it right here in this shitty bedroom while I was building my studio. That's awesome.

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I went through like the Omega Studios recording and engineering programs like a year and a half program. Oh, okay. Cost a lot of money. Yeah, you know, I thought that would be cool, but I'm just not good at it. So I'm like, I remember like signal flow. Signal flow is important. That's about all I got left out of that. So I went to audio school and and it was like, you know,

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that, yeah, I was at a program in Arizona for eight months on site, and it was supposed to be a three-month internship after that, and it was great for me because it was the kind of learning that I needed, but the kids who, you know, didn't, who weren't ready to be self-starters with their audio learning really struggled. So it was perfect for me because it was open-ended, and, like, you learn quickly in audio that there are very

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few rules that you really need to follow. You can just kind of make shit awesome. And most of the learning that has to be done is like learning what's actually awesome. And, you know, building up the theory and the actual practical practice of making records and learning the process and what goes into it. So it was perfect for me, but a lot of people, it just spits them out and they don't go anywhere with it.

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I can say that my final project was done on a Neve console that was used to remix the Star Wars music. Oh, sweet. Yeah. So I was like, oh, nice. You know, and then I. Dave, do you go back and watch any stuff? Because a lot of it on YouTube, any of the guys who work in studios and talk how they talk about recording like that? Rick Beto, his site's huge on there. His channel. I don't know if you guys are watching his stuff. I haven't seen that. No.

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He's worked with a ton of people. And when Eddie Van Halen died, I was watching a lot of stuff that was from in the studio because, you know, he was supposedly the God of trying to find the perfect pitch and sound. And listening to all these engineers that worked with him, I was like, fuck, man, this is really, it's way above my head in terms of the technical aspect. But I really love listening to them talk about how they were trying to get that perfect sound. And it was always never, oh, because we used all this wonderful knowledge of

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It was always that one little thing like, let's just tweak this and see what happens. And that's how they ended up getting just these amazing sounds. Little tweaks can make a difference when you're in like a $6 million room. I know Jay and I have been going back and forth a lot about this after he passed, but he got his original sound from just like hardly spending any money. It was just jury rigging old equipment that he would never leave.

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It would never go out of his sight that he kept for most of his career. And they tried to get him to do endorsement stuff. He's like, oh, I'm going to go with the shit that I had when I was a kid. Yeah, that I made. Yeah, he was a whiz, you know. Yeah, it's funny, John. I saw this interview a while back with Randy Rhodes. It was a print interview. And they were talking to him about his recording process and stuff like that. And it was so cool, full of these cool stories. This is all pre-pro tools and everything. And he would, like, they would record a solo.

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and just to try to get a different sound, they'd like put the microphone and wrap it in plastic and put it in a big industrial garbage can full of water. And then like, and then point the speaker down the hallway in the other direction. Like he, all this weird shit that he did. It was so fun to listen how they were innovative in the time. That's awesome. We need to make this sound ourselves. Yeah. That's great. That is truly my passion. I mean,

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More than making my own music, I live and breathe and eat and sleep audio recording and making records. I have to make the music so I don't kill myself. I get it. But making records and working with artists and having that one-on-one producing and engineering, that is what I do day in and day out, and I love it. Cool. Nice, dude.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm convinced that people who are successful at it, they just, they're like in sports, you know, you're like, you're a gym rat. You're always in the gym playing basketball. You know, you're always in a weight room lifting. You're always in the studio working and there's certain people have a knack for it and they just are really good at it. No matter how much other people try it, other people just have an ear for it. They really do. Yeah. I'll buy that. I mean, like a guy like, whether you like him or not, a guy like Steven Wilson is just,

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I mean he just knows what he's doing I mean all those remixes he's done for King Crimson and Jethro Tull alone are badass I would say the same thing for like Jim Matthews of Face Warning and um or Matthäus yeah and other guys I always admire the guys who are technically good good songwriters but also totally understand their recording process and have their own home studio and do it right you know I think more than having an ear for it though because the ear the ear is trained like

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Engineer Ear is just that's a skill. I think that the art form, ironically for me, is like the technical side of it. It's like having a technical brain, just being wired to think like in a very detail-oriented technical way is really what makes great engineers. Maybe I also meant maybe more a feel for music. You know, like they have a vision for where they want to go. Not so much

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They have a feel along with the technical aspect. Some people can be very technical.

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Like Yngwie Malmsteen can be very technical, but he still sounds like shit to me because I don't like that style of music.

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But some people can be technical but have the feel. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

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And it probably helps being a musician too because

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you know, if you didn't know anything about music

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but all you knew was how to run the equipment,

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You're lacking a piece of the pie there. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I interviewed Sanford Parker not long ago on that Dead Letter of Emissions podcast, and that was fascinating to pick his brain about how he does it. And of course, he's a musician who's played in a lot of bands as well. But he sleeps. He's in the studio all the time. And that's how he prefers it. He just loves doing it. He loves working with bands. He likes creating new sounds.

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and it's his passion.

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Sanford is different, man.

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That is one, like, you can just follow him down into the rabbit hole.

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He's got really cool ideas, and he makes really cool records.

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And all of his records are, even if you don't like the band,

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if you don't like the sounds that he got, they're all cohesive.

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They all sound like they've achieved a purpose.

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And that's what I love.

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We talked about that before.

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That's what I love in music.

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And, you know, I don't love a lot of the records that he's made because I don't love a lot of the bands that he's worked with, but I love what he does, like the idea of what he does and how he does it. You appreciate the production and how it's developed. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. So we mentioned it briefly earlier, but we didn't go down this particular rabbit hole, which is who did the cover art for Conquistador? I spent, I don't know how many months,

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The artist is Leo Ullfelder. He's a Los Angeles-based artist and musician. He's an incredible musician as well. He plays in a lot of sick bands, mostly grind, metal-adjacent, like sick shit. But he is an incredibly gifted oil painter. And I knew going into this that I wanted to commission,

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an original oil painting for the cover.

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And I was looking for artists for a really long time.

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You know, I ended up spending probably like six months just like diving deep into Instagram tags and like trying to find an oil painter somewhere in the world who could like capture this image I had in my mind.

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And I had the image of the conquistador in my mind.

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I had the concept of the hole in his chest and the sunflower breaking out and his visage, his head, him transforming into gas. Like, I love art. I love oil paint especially. And I love specifically abstract impressionist works. And I was looking for somebody who could have their own style, interpret my idea, but still,

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work in oil and still work within kind of abstract painting and impressionist at the same time. So Leo was that guy. If you go and look at his Instagram and, you know, all of his, his artists posts, like he, he does work like this. He's incredible. He's a genius. Uh, and he's a cool fucking dude. So he's a great musician. So it was a perfect fit. And he, he was amazing. Awesome. Well, it's so important because I mean, metal covers are very important just for metal albums, but

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for yours in particular,

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because there's that emotional content that,

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that just that life experience that needs to be conveyed on that cover.

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It's the first thing you see. It's a great one.

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Do you have the painting?

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I do not.

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We're trying to get it worked out, you know, for, I originally, you know,

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he was going to sell it to me and I frankly ran out of money doing the record.

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I was like, there's no way that I can pay a fair price for this.

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It's one thing to buy an image, but it's another to buy a painting. Well, I'm going to get it eventually. I mean, it's like, I'm going to pay him what I can for it. And because he messaged me like, what, a year, two years after I commissioned the painting 2019. So, you know, there'd been a long time between like actually getting it done and and getting to the point where I was ready to release it. He reached out to me separately and was like,

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Dude, I think it's probably right for you to actually have this painting. So we'll just work that out. And I'll probably drive out to California sometime and actually get it from him and meet Leo for the first time. And that'll be really cool. Yeah, I want to have that. You should have it. Like I have I have the painting from the cover of He Who Rides Immolated Horses. That's another different different artists did that. That's that's that's watercolor.

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And that's a prized possession of mine to have that physical painting. Like, that's awesome. So I need both. Yeah. I write comic books and a lot of times I get these variant covers from artists and they're my ideas that I come up with. But I just, I want the original art to them. So I have this collection of covers from these artists because it means something to me, you know, that they interpret these works that I've created in my head. That's fantastic. Yeah, I bought our album cover.

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Yeah. And after I bought the image, yeah, I bought the image. And then I wrote back to him. I was like, dude, can I buy that painting from you? I'm sure he was like, fuck, please, you know, go ahead. I was going to burn it, but okay. Cost you more than the recording process, Jay? Is that what you were going to say? No, no, no. More than the image, but I think. Oh, okay. I was going to say. Yeah. Which I guess stands to reason, but. How much did you pay for that thing? Wouldn't that be horrible? So I know we're still a week out from the album.

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released, but given all this downtime, have you been working on new music for another

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next release at all? Dude, I haven't even played guitar for like five months.

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What? This is a big release for him, man.

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Bro, I'm like building a studio and like it's a pandemic, so I don't know.

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I don't know. That's cool.

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I'm thinking about it. I'm really thinking about it. I'm not sure

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what direction I want to go in next, but I want to go somewhere next.

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I, I, I, I,

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you're free to do whatever you want now, right? Yeah. You, you, you got through this. I was like,

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you get to put out like a blues album next or something. I mean, you can, you're free to do whatever you want.

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Well, you know, part of me wants to explore. I mean, I've, I've written like albums before that I never released, like of stuff that was kind of like more rock oriented and stuff that was much more kind of like rooted in extreme metal that I just like never put out.

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And I think what I want to do next is diving even further into both of those polls. And I haven't quite decided yet if I want to keep them discreet or if I want to try and allow them to find some middle ground together like I did with Conquistador. But I'm actively plotting and planning and figuring out what the next thing's going to be.

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All right. I'm going to be the person to ask. I know George and I talked about this.

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Okay. Okay. Whose idea on one whisper was it to have a fever and bring out some cowbell? This guy. As soon as I heard that, I was like, I got a fever and the prescription is. Gotta have more cowbell. I said, I said when I was getting serious about doing this album, I'm going to do such a huge fucking mind fuck and middle finger to black metal and metal elitists. I want to make, I want to make,

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I'm gonna do like two minutes of like fucking just obnoxious rock and roll I knew it I thought to myself when I heard that so when George said you gotta hear this album and I heard that first two minutes I was like the fuck is this man and then I went back and listened again I was like oh that's a fuck you because about two and a half minutes in it just goes ripping in a different direction oh that's awesome I love it even more now people people for the horses EP were like really lumping us into like black metal and I've I love black

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It's probably what I listen to most

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but like

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I don't want to be that

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that's not who I am

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so like

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I wanted

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it's a statement

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and it

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it is accurate to who I am

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so it

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it's

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it fits

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like I'm perfectly okay

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making a statement

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like a

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fuck you

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to metal elitism

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but

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yeah

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it's

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it checks all the boxes for me

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and I finally get to say

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I've got a fucking cowbell song

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so

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let's fuck you

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V, not a U.

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Yeah.

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So John and I were talking earlier today over text about this.

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And, you know, blah, blah, blah, cowbell.

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And I sent a picture of a gif of Will Ferrell, you know, hitting the cowbell on Saturday Night Live.

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And then I just happened to be listening to the album at the same time.

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And it was kind of like it was kind of like when you cue up Pink Floyd and Wizard of Oz.

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I was like, dude, Will Ferrell's cowbell is in time with the song. Oh, my God. Is it the same tempo? Well, it was close enough. Granted, I don't have the greatest of I've got white boy rhythm, but, you know, watching it on the screen while listening to it, I was like, it looks like he's playing the cowbell in the song. He was also probably drinking. Not yet. Not yet. Thank you, Marcus. You say white boy drumming or rhythm. I'm thinking Neil Peir.

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Really? Stereotypical white boy timing. Yeah. No, you were. I'm going with Marcus. That's story. I was lit at two in the afternoon. I was trying to play cowbell. Yeah. If you look at the Stoney Alert Instagram, there's there's a video somewhere of of Matt in the studio, like hamming it up with the cowbell, like just. And my brother does not like rock and roll. He's not like it. No, he did me a personal favor by playing so many fucking as he called it.

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He did me a personal favor

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and I am so grateful to him for actually doing it

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but like he was he was like incredulously cowbelling that whole time

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like I can't believe I'm doing this

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So what is he like then?

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Brotherly love for you

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Like what does he like if he does not like rock things?

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I mean he

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he is an incredible jazz drummer

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Okay. Um, and probably what he listens to. I mean, he listens to, he's a very diverse personal taste person, but he's not a metal person. He doesn't listen to metal all day, every day, if at all, ever. Um, we still fucking jam out to some like old school grind favorites, but like, if we're just shooting the shit, talking about drums, like watching drum videos, we're watching like gospel chops and we're watching like, uh, like the best jazz drummers in the world.

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He's a fucking shedding jazzer. So he was dumbing down pretty hard for you. Uh, no. I mean, in terms of like Cowbell and his ACDC beats. For that shit, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. For that shit, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would tell him, I would like have to prime him like, all right, so, and this song, like, you know, we've got, like, I need you blasting here. I need us, you know, we're kick grooving here. We're like doing other stuff here. All right.

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this one part of the song, I really need you to play a kick and snare groove on the hi-hat and not do any fills and just fucking hit really hard. And like, it's perfect for me because I tell drummers in the studio when I'm recording, like, I need you to try to break your snare drum with every snare hit. And that thankfully when he was doing that, he, he like, it kept him occupied to try and hit his snare drum so hard that he breaks the head every, every time. But like,

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I had to find ways. I wanted to make sure he was involved and he like invested and and he did an amazing job and uh going forward who knows if he's going to want to do another one with me. Right. At least I can say I captured a beautiful performance from him and regardless of whether he loves it or not like he's part of it. That's awesome. Just tell him you'll let him play like Dennis Chambers or Tony Williams you'd be like oh man I'm playing. I mean yeah like that's what he does.

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He does. He's an incredible jazz drummer. Right on. So I warned you earlier that I was going to ask you this question. What three albums would help people understand you better as a person? I have a list. Okay. So number one, the number one most important album to understanding me as a person is Facelift by Alice in Chains. Of course. That is the seminal rock and roll

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record. There's not a better rock and roll record in my opinion. And it means the most to me of any piece of music ever made. That's it. That's why I do this still. That's why I haven't given up when I've been broke, like facelifts, doing something that perfect to me. Like, that's what I think of as perfection. So that's number one. Number two is Infrared Horizon by Artificial Brain.

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That, like, if you want to understand, I guess, just strictly, like, technically, musically, you know, a lot of what I'm doing, like, that's a really good parallel, I think, because they do this, this, like, melody inside death metal thing. It's like, it's so, they create these atmospheres that are delicate, yet also punishing. And they do, like, the ulcerate thing, like, they create,

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this atmosphere, this state of being where it's like, it's, it's so over the top technical and there's beauty in that. And it kind of, the two guitar parts like take on a third guitar part because of the sum of those parts. And that's something that I try to do in my music, not because of artificial brain, but like, that's a great example of, of doing that perfectly. So I love that. Um, like the third one is a toss up. So I have to say two,

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So it's Think This by Toxic. That is, I mean, when I first heard Toxic, I thought it was the dumbest thing ever. Like the most ridiculous, stupid vocals and like, I don't know. Is this like Toxic T-O-X-I-K? Yeah. Wow. I haven't heard them in forever. Thrash. Yeah. Yeah. Think This. Wow. Speaking of my language. It's a masterpiece. It's like,

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And it sounds weird. And it was recorded by my mentor, Tom Morris at Morris Sound Recording, where I got my start in the music industry. Like, you know, there's there's like history involved there. It makes me feel good. It's like, it's like positive. It's so positive. It's like, so it's like feel good technical thrash. And is that like their second album? Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 87, I think. And I think this was 89. Yeah. I think that's what it was. So yeah, that's like, I'm, I'm a happy, like I am like how that album feels like kind of nuts, kind of all over the place, like good spirited. I just, that, it feels like me. And the, the other that I have to mention is, uh,

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is Destroyers of All, Ulcerate, that record in particular. For all the reasons, all of the above, it's such a complete enveloping state of being. I think those four records accurately paint a picture of who I am, who I feel to be. Right on. Those were good picks. Really good. I really like that. And thanks for bringing back that question, George. I feel like we haven't done that one in a while. That's a good question. I love that.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You'll take them and like it.

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So, um, well, yeah, I know we'll probably move on to news and stuff, but I want to ask one more question.

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And that was, you've got this record that's coming out for people who might be interested in it, for people who are listening to this podcast and want to listen to the record. You know, what would you say about it? What would you say about it that might entice people to listen to it? What do you want to say about it?

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What's your commercial tagline to sell it?

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The Logline.

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I think it's known as the elevator pitch in Hollywood.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Where you're trying to pitch a script in Hollywood.

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It's a feel-good version of Caddyshack, but with some Star Wars angst.

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Yeah, I'm making that.

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I'm going to go the other direction here, guys.

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Please.

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I don't give a shit anymore.

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There you go.

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I don't fucking care what happens to this album, whether it gets critically paled or hailed.

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I seriously don't care.

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Because this was about me getting it out.

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And now that, like, I let it all go as soon as I handed off to Austin at Mind Eraser PR and said,

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all right, it's out of my hands.

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Take care of it, dude.

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Like, I'm fucking out.

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I'm gonna go drink some beer.

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I'm fucking done with this shit.

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I don't fucking care what happens.

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And part of releasing the album, part of getting to this point, was like letting go of my need for validation from critics of my music. And now that I got to the point where I was happy with the product, I was happy with the mix, the master, I was happy with the songs, the recording itself. When I finally became truly happy with that,

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I don't care I did this for me dude that's a better sales pitch than you realize yeah no I mean it it's obviously truly cathartic and I got to say it's kind of inspirational to to hear somebody go through something so challenging to take it and make something awesome out of it and then be like I

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Fuck you. Goodbye. And just leave it behind and move on. That's, that's pretty awesome. Letting go is dude. Like, isn't don't we, we don't want to carry our, our karmic deaths with us. We don't want to carry the shit that we're supposed to let go. So like when you let it go, it's gone. So like I proved to myself that it's gone and it, it really is. So I hope people enjoy it. That would be great. It's going to be out there for everybody to enjoy forever. And.

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Will you be able to enjoy it or is it always going to be like a black mark on your soul? Oh, no. No, I love it. Okay. Oh, no. Like I haven't listened to it for months now because I've been trying to not listen to it. But when it's out, like I made the record that I want to hear. All right. Like I'm going to listen to only this now. All right. That's good because I mean as awesome as this is, I'd hate for

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you to have some sort of distaste towards it. Sure. I understand, yeah. I made it for me. I made it truly, truly for me. It became more and more for me over the years of making it. And now that it's going to come out next week, yeah, fuck yeah. Let's party. Let's celebrate. Let's listen to this record. And that's it. I'll do something else next time. Cheers.

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to you, man. Yeah. Cheers. It's cool. And, uh, on a positive note, I've read about three or four reviews. I saw 10 of 10 out of 10 somewhere. I mean, I think it was on your Facebook, but yeah, yeah, no, it's, it's being cool, man. I can, I can pretty much guarantee you a spot on my top 25 mid-year list and probably end of your list, but definitely on the mid-year list. And it ain't maybe more than one George given shit away. Hey, there's just no, I mean, if you've heard of it,

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If you haven't yet, because you're listening to this and it's not out for another three or four days, get on it. But if you've heard it, it's going to be on a list or two. I mean, we all love it. So I mean, that doesn't happen that often. So yeah, thank you guys. There's only seriously, there's only a couple albums a year that make me like lose my shit. And this is one of them so far. So yeah, definitely going to be on there.

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You're listening to the Metalheads Podcast. The morning show you can listen to anytime. All right. And we are back, which brings us to the hallowed tradition of t-shirt and beer check. And as Dave is the guest, what's on your shirt? I can see there's something under there. So we're doing Sinmara. Ooh. Icelandic black metal bands.

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I mean,

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My brother and I had our first band Autolity and we like kind of just kind of fell in with this group of bands from the Northeast doing like New England black metal. And so like in Farabruo, Obsidian Tongue and Inhuman Form were like our fucking homies. We like, and I still run, those are like some of my best friends in music to this day. But like, you know,

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I'd always kind of wanted to know what Infero Breaux would be like with two guitars.

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Because before I started playing with them, you know, it was just Galen playing guitar.

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Right.

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And I don't know what started the conversation, but like, I think that, you know, Galen and I had been talking, we've been chatting about stuff.

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And I think at a show one time I was like, dude, what if you like, what if I was probably drunk?

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I was like, dude, what if you had like two guitars?

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What if I play guitar?

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Like, I play guitar in your band. Like, probably just being shitty like that. And one day he called me up. He was like, hey, like, do you want to maybe, like, learn the songs? That's awesome. So, you know, Brendan. I love those guys. You know, Brendan from Obsidian Tongue then, too. Yeah, Brendan is a, I mean, again, dear, dear friends. I consider Galen to be one of my closest musical friends, and so is Brendan from OT. I've recorded Obsidian Tongue a couple times now, and Brendan,

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I just talked to him last week. We're super tight. That whole scene of black-ish, prog-ish, other metal bands from New England, the time that we were coming up, those are my deepest homies. I know Brendan because of his work with Throssenblatt. I'm a huge Throssenblatt fan.

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Really? Didn't know that about you. Nobody knows that. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, actually, I met both of you guys on the same day when you were at Shadow Woods. Because he was, yeah, Sitting Tongue was there playing too. Yeah, because he played. Yeah. Yeah, right. That was wild. And I was all like, hey man, I know Joel. And he's like, who the fuck are you? And I'm like, yeah, I know Joel. And he's like, yeah, okay, whatever. Yeah, sounds like Brendan, yeah.

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He was just kind of, he was just kind of, he was polite, you know,

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but he's like, I don't know who the fuck you are. So. He's probably like, that cool, man. Like, Hey, that's cool, man. Yeah. Yeah. So that's cool, man. All right. Well, what are you, what have you been drinking? Uh, I'm, I am drinking. Well, my first bottle, uh, has been Zebulon artisanal ales from Weaverville, North Carolina, just North of Asheville.

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This is a petite blueberry sour fruited ale. So it's actually the blueberry ale, which is two years barrel aged. The second use fruit is reused for the petite blueberry. And it's a lovely wild fermented ale like fermented on the blueberries used in our blueberry sour. This second use fruit.

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Second use of the fruit gives a more delicate blueberry character and allows the house wild yeast to shine. Zebulon makes some of the best beer in Western North Carolina and the world, in my opinion. It's like all old world styles, all wild. Like they've got a, they've got a 1930s authentic IPA on right now. Like it's, it's brilliant. So that's, that is also my hometown rep.

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Right on. Sounds tasty. Nice. And that's the only thing you've been drinking then? I also, I've got a little can of Fanta Flora. I don't know if you guys have heard of them, but they are based in the middle of North Carolina somewhere. This is a little Saison style ale with chamomile flowers and age tops. I've had a couple cans already. It's a light, it's like a table Saison, like a table beer, like 3.6%.

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Just a lovely sipper. Nice little Saison. That's my favorite style of any kind. Saisons, wild ales, that kind of thing. Farmhouse. Cool. I like a good Saison. All right. Then, Marcasson. What are you wearing? What are you drinking? I know what you're wearing, but say it anyway. Can I stop you for one second, Marcasson? I watched you take a sip of your beer, and the look on your face made me wish I had a glass of it as well.

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It's gonna be hard for you to get

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unless you come here

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but I'm wearing

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a Battlemaster shirt

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behold it

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Nice

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So we had

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Loud Night on the show

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a couple episodes ago

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Two episodes ago, yeah

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Right?

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Yeah, and Andy Horn

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he's also in this band called Battlemaster

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which is a really great black metal band

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It's like Dungeons and Dragons

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and black metal

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and it's fucking great

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I like Loud Night

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but I really like Battlemaster

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And then, so the first beer, this is not the one that I reacted to. It's from Mother Earth Brewing in California. It's called Four Seasons. It's a coconut cake imperial stout that has chocolate, vanilla, and lactose. This is the first beer I had. And then I opened this one, which I think may be the most perfect beer for this podcast of all

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time. Bag of dicks? Because. Yeah, it's almost exactly the same. Bag of dicks beer? It's called the George. Oh, nice. It doesn't get better than that. Yes, and it's an 8.5% imperial stout. Better way. Because it's called the George. The George. But, holy shit, it's really good. 8.5% imperial stout. It's got coffee, cocoa, vanilla, lactose. It's from a

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They partnered with this coffee shop called The Curb in Kaimuki, which is a really good local coffee shop. But it's named after the regular customer named George, who, according to the Hanakoa website, would go to this coffee shop, hang out and talk for hours. That's pretty much our George! Well, I gotta tell you, it's not the first time.

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It's not the first time I've been told it is good. Just saying. And it's good. It's a good beer. It's fucking really good. Oh, yeah. When you get these Imperial Stouts, I like, I love Imperial Stouts. I love heavy beers, but sometimes when you get all this extra shit in it, it's too sweet. You know, especially when it's a milk stout. Like, you see a lactose, I'm like, I don't know. But it could be amazing. This one is really, really well balanced. And so I was surprised because,

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Of course, I was going to get it because it's called the George. Well, you know, if you have the George in your mouth, you're going to be surprised at how wonderful it is. So yeah, I think it'll be hard for you to get, but I think I'm going to buy some more of these in case George comes here or anybody else. Yeah, I'll bring it. Actually, I'll get it. Yeah, because I could bring it on a plane. Yeah, so I'm going to get some more of it. I think it's a limited release. I've never seen it before. I'll pay to ship it here.

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to keep it fresh.

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You can age a stout.

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It doesn't matter how long it takes to get to you.

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Okay.

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I was with a little will on my shoulder going,

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don't drink old beer.

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No, no, it's a stout.

01:40:46.650 --> 01:40:47.300
You can age stout.

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I'm aging stouts that are like eight years old in my fridge right now.

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Okay.

01:40:51.810 --> 01:40:52.460
Fair enough then.

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I love you did that with a kid from the show.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Red round, red round, don't drink old beer.

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Bad beer, bad beer.

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It's super good.

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The coffee, the sweeter aspects of it, it's just really well balanced.

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I was surprised.

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Really surprising. Delicious. All right. Matt, then. I have my Temple of Void Snuggie clothes, but I'm wearing a True Brewing shirt. And I am drinking the Adroit Theory Telekinesis. That's what I'm discussing. It's some fucking sick label art. That's one of their better ones. I haven't had that one. Yeah. Where is that brewery from? Like, I don't know. I don't really know them. Virginia? Yeah, it's like a half hour from my house. Yeah. Okay.

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Virginia. Cool. Yeah. 45 minutes from me. It's in between George and myself. It will. Nice. Is that it, Matt? That's the only beer you have? I actually am finishing my wife's rosé in a can. She can. I will keep you up to date on the barley. Did she just walk by and say finish this and just keep going? Yeah. She's like, do you want the rest of this? And of course, I'll take it. I don't care. I got a podcast. Got alcohol in it? Sure.

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All right, John. All right, so I'm going to continue on Matt's theme. Just my standard temple avoid shirt. Oh, I got one of those. Yeah, I think a TOV love tonight. Yeah, I found like a bunch of those shirts in my closet. Like where have these been all this time? Yeah, I've got a along with the other 452 concert t-shirts. I have got a TOV long sleeve ball up in the corner of my office that I haven't worn yet that I need

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to like put it in the laundry so I can wear it. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I did. I found these random to the wash. I got to wear this tomorrow night. All right. So I'm doing the past, present and future because I'm already working towards a third beer here because we've been talking for a while. And it's the white can approach. And it's also the Illinois approach. So my first one was Hubbard's Cave, which I've never had before. But my friend TR is always going on. You know, the metal butler is always going on about their stouts. Well, I chose to do their.

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Hubbard's Cave, fresh IPA, white can, nothing going on there. Hubbard's Cave is good, man. Metalheads Butler! Metalheads Butler! So, continuing the white can trend, another brewery from Illinois, and I believe, Marcus, you said it was Una Annie, is that close? Yep, that's how I say it. Okay, I'm going to go with what you say because that sounds correct. Very descriptive can. Yes. It's a great can with a white label with like Harleen.

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What do you want? She's like, get whatever and get some zombie dust. Nice. Now you're making me miss Chicago. What the heck, John? Oh, trust me. She's hurting. She hasn't been back in a while. Well, Dave, I lived in Chicago for 20 years and I moved out to Hawaii a year and a half. Oh, wow. I love Chicago. I haven't been back in years. I can't wait to go back again. Yeah, we got some people there, so we got to go. I kind of get it. You don't get it,

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I mean they have they have a lot of great breweries so even if you don't get Chicago you can just get all the breweries yeah I've never been to a place that had more to be honest I don't know if that's true I don't know if there's a city that has more but I think Asheville Asheville I think has the most per capita for the square mileage of the city and I think Bend is pretty close to their first the size of Bend when Jen and I were there because my parents live up that way part of the year I mean it was just like Asheville everywhere you

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There's a brewery. This is unreal. And Chicago's another city that has just a ton of them, too. And there's a lot of breweries that are around Chicago that I just consider suburbs of the city. You know, like three floods. Yeah. Yeah. That's Chicago. Even though, you know, technically Indiana, but yeah. Yeah, but I mean, literally, it's just one big stretch of Megapolis down that way. Although it is Indiana, you're right. And Marcus knows what I mean when I say that.

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Well, Jay, what are you wearing? Not that you're drinking. Yeah. Well, I actually, you guys have just reminded me, I just ate supper and I was going to go get my blue bottle iced coffee. So I'm going to stand up here in a minute and go get that because that's my favorite local fucking thing. But, and then the beer will be later tonight. And in honor of Matt, truly, who kind of came out of the Judas Priest closet last week and declared his favorite Judas Priest album, or last week, last episode, I literally ordered this because I was going to

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I don't have a shirt of that so I got my sofa. Yes. Same killer shirt. Nice. I've just been brutal about getting on merchandising websites lately and I just like order like six things at a time for people. You're keeping the industry afloat man. I'm keeping the industry afloat and my drawers are getting full which is George for a sound bite later. Yeah. But I'm also going to take this moment to hijack this because this isn't in the news but I still want this mentioned and I also want to show off my

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of an original pressing of that which launched. Oh, more Venom. Extreme Metal for all time. This is the original 45 of In League With Satan and Live Live Like an Angel, Die Like a Devil. This is the first Extreme Metal record. I happen to have a rather expensive copy, so I wanted to just kind of post that. Hey, Jay. Oh, go ahead, John. Just real quick. I didn't want to burst your bubble. That was the first Extreme album after anything Gene Simmons has done, right? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What's the trademark and whatnot?

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Yeah.

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Post Gene Simmons first extreme metal album.

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And then go ahead.

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I just want to say one quick thing.

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But if Jay just made me think of another top five that we haven't done.

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Top five metal t-shirts that we own.

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Because we have so many.

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That would be a really good one, right?

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Yeah.

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Well, when I'm editing, I will write that down on the list.

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Is it a weighted scale based on comfort and rep? I like the way you think, sir. Sure. Because for me, like, there are bands that I rep all the time, like my favorite shirts. I've never listened to that band, but this shit is so comfortable. I don't fucking care. Whatever. Yeah. It's whatever, whatever parameters you set up for yourself. But since you brought that up, Dave, I am very judgmental of bands and the quality of their shirts. And I know, like, if you're, hey, if it's Niall, and I know they're not

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I'm not making a million bucks. Okay, I know what I'm getting for 20 bucks, but I'm judgmental of a pretty fucking big band. We should be discerning of these big shirts. And there are a few that I could really, really recommend to you. Right now, Slayer has some quality merchandise, too. Those shirts are fucking awesome. They're built like tanks. They're built like tanks. And King Diamond stuff is really good right now. I shouldn't know all this stuff. There'll be top five shirts that you own that you actually have. Well, you know what I like, and it's actually

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is the Infero Brewer shirts are very nice and soft. Yes! Yes! In my top five! Two Infero Brewer shirts in my top five! The nipple sensation is spectacular. Yeah, man. Seriously, though, they're those nice soft ones. Not a lot of people, I mean, I know they're out there, but not a lot of bands are using them, and it's good stuff. Stone Healer merch. Soft shirts. Beautiful t-shirts. Beautiful soft t-shirts.

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All right, I am wearing my Chemist Desolation shirt in honor of Dan, who is apparently no longer in Chemist.

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You know, I did not know that.

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Neither did we till the other day.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, we know all the guys in Chemist, or well, all of them except whoever the new bass player is.

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But Dan is such a good guy.

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Dan is good people and

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sad to see him go but you know it sounds like it's just sort of he's got

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got to get his priorities where he wants them so wearing my desolation shirt

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I started with my second and final by the horns brimming horn mead

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alas Dave that mead is a collaboration I did it's for my comic book with a meadery

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Oh, no shit. That's awesome. Yeah. I've heard of Brimminghorn because do you guys know the Fires in the Distance guys? Yeah. I love that album last year. I recorded that album and they did a mead. It's like a really awesome mead. I haven't had it, but I haven't had it. Oh, sweet. I love the Brimminghorn. I know the Brimminghorn guys because they did the mead for me for the comic. My first ever comic book mead. It sold out, by the way. I just heard it.

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Well, congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah, that fires in the distance. All the collaborations they do with metal bands have been pretty great. Except I've never had the incantation meet. Goat's blood. Goodness, that was so good. Didn't we hear that was coming back around, though, wasn't it? They're talking about it. They're teasing us. They're being coy. We might. We might, Rabbit. We might. Yeah, well, when I was over at his house, I got this meet. What is incantation meet?

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I was like, oh, let's check it out. I literally, we were doing the podcast. I had to stop and look at him. And I did what you did, Marcus, on our screen. I looked, I was like, what the fuck is this? This is amazing. And we like, we're like having like this love fest that, you know, silent love fest on the podcast. Like this is the greatest thing ever. It's unreal. And speaking of which. Before I was in like really into Bremminghorn. Yeah. I really hope that that makes its way out again. Because now we're like, most of us are in the club. Yeah. Yeah.

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They were supposed to send us new means really soon, actually. Yeah, I just got my shipping notification. Yeah. So, Brimminghorn. Yeah. And speaking of the, you know, because that was an episode where you were here, that was a Lister episode. We've got one coming up in June, the mid-year, which, you know, I don't know, maybe it's not going to be on there. But I was just talking to Will earlier today because somebody,

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on the podcast who has not gotten a shot yet is scheduled to get a shot which means we can do mid-year in person this fucking year and will was like fuck yeah i want to do that so john that's nice we are doing this shit unless of course john's like no i don't want to but you're on the spot now so i guess you have to i don't know i kind of like sitting here with all my pants on during the podcast oh wait this do that at your house yeah pants are totally optional here yeah i

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Real quick, I won't go into my diatribe about how it's been handled in Fairfax County, Virginia, but when it opened up on the 19th, I couldn't find anything, and a guy I worked with said, hey, why don't you check a Nova hospital? And I actually use a Nova hospital for a few things in the past, and I went on, and I was able to get something after spending hours and days trying to find something when it opened up, because apparently, even at 53 years old, I was unqualified or uneligible.

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to get a COVID shot over people who were 23 in my area. I don't know how that happened, but so yeah, apparently I'm scheduled on Wednesday. Right on. So we'll see. I'm not going to believe it until I'm actually stuck. Yeah. Like 2024, I believe I got them. So yeah. So back to what we're drinking. I've got a couple other things here. I'm just finishing up now one that I picked up because I've heard the brewery thrown around before.

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They're from Alexandria, Virginia. Aslan Beer Company. Oh yeah, they're in Alexandria now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is dripping on the cheap. And it's a white can with lots of writing on it, very plain stuff. What is up with the white cans today? I know. It's a double dry hopped, double IPA, 8.5. Is it as cloudy as like mud? Yeah, a little bit.

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I don't know. Good thing Will's not here. That one actually wasn't that bad. I mean, I've seen worse. Yeah, so that's what I'm finishing off, but because I knew I was just about done, I brought my next one up too. I've been getting a lot of stuff from this place. They're a place out of Baltimore. Nepente Brewing. Got them because I'm a big Sentence fan, and Nepente is one of their songs. And they put out, like every time I go into the store, they have some new double IPA. This one's called Enigmatic Monolith.

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And it's, you know, they've got lots of cool, weird, like comic book looking art. Yeah. So I'll be getting into that momentarily. Cool. All right. Cheers, everybody. Cheers. Hey, I just want to say, been great talking to you so far, Dave. So far. It's great company. Most fun of that all pandemic. What can I say? He just qualified that, like saying, you know, you could fuck this up.

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Dave so make sure you don't fuck it up he said he said so far he said so far keep it together so far because we're all drinking now so who knows it's gonna happen stay on target off the rails in 20 minutes i mean i'm drinking george so you know anything could happen and that will be the number one clip of the year from the podcast yes all right let's go ahead and do the news

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And we have to start somberly though. Exodus's Tom Hunting has, I'm not going to pronounce it, but it's fucking stomach cancer. And he's apparently starting chemo and Gary Holt started a GoFundMe,

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So if you want to help, the goal was 20,000. Last I looked, it was already like 24,000. So the goal was 20,000. It was 20 when I looked. Well, it's over 70 now. It's 75 right now. All right. Well, this was, I wrote a couple of days. No, no, no. But yeah, so people are, I think people are doing, you know, they're giving and that's awesome. So I gave them some fucking money and, you know, and I was actually kind of proud of the amount I give.

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But now that it's really going, I gave him $100. You know what I mean? And now I see. But it's fun. Go look at it because if you look at the top donors, it's Kurt Camit, Andy Sneap, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's awesome. Rick Hunnall, Gary Holt, full bands. There's bands there that are giving up $500. It's actually kind of fun to look at and see how people are coming out for this fucking guy. Their original goal was $25,000. He had $75,000 with no end in sight. Nice. And I would also just like to quote him.

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and saying that when he posted about this on Facebook and said, hey, I'm just letting you guys know I got this thing and I'm going to get, you know, I've got to get treatment. And he said, but don't worry, I'm going to beat it like a snare drum that owes me money. Well, hopefully he got treated earlier than Dio did because, you know. That's funny, Jay, because that's what Dave said to his brother when they were recording the album. Which, by the way, we have a new Exodus record coming this year. Yeah. And also I've run into him a couple of times at shows.

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He's always really nice and is more than happy to sit and chat with you. But Godspeed to this man because he's a big part of it. Actually, let's just while I'm while I'm since I was on the page, let me let me read some of these people to you. So you know how much people love him and how his fellow band members are supporting him. I got to get to this top donors see top donations. Here we go. So Kirk Hammett gave 5000 bucks. Chris Jericho. Say what you love about that guy. He gave him some money. I love Chris. He's a really good guy.

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He's a great wrestler. I just don't like his band. I got his autograph right over there. Toshi Yuki Kurosawa who might be somebody from Loudness or maybe it's just a rich Japanese dude. Gary Holt. Andy Sneap gave him $666. That's a class move. Immolation the band gave him $500. Let's see there's some other bands here. There's some names I probably don't know here and all. I think Sean Killian. I think that's somebody isn't it? Violence.

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I give them 250 bucks. Let's see here. I want Immolation to put out a new album. They're due. Well, they just hurt their budget, so it might be a little while. Let me just get a couple of these. How do we find humor in this conversation? I know. That's hilarious, though. Oh, my God. Well, you know, but good for him and good for them. And how nice to be so loved that you outdo your initial goal by 200%. Yeah.

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So good for him, dude. Amazing. And I really hope that he beats it and gets over it. Yeah. Gets back to fucking metal. Blood in and blood out was a fucking great record. Yeah. The last Exodus. And they record those albums at his house. The last couple of records. So the new ones in the can. Let's see what we get this year. So we will have Tom hunting, a healthy time hunting drumming on vinyl and hopefully on the stage before too long. Healthy and in front of a vaccinated crowd. Indeed. Hell yeah.

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So speaking of vaccinations, this next item is just fucking hilarious. Ted Nugent got COVID, you fucking piece of shit. Fucking good. I'm sorry. I'm particularly venomous about this because I grew up in Michigan, which is Ted Nugent's homeland. And, you know, he used to drive around town in this Bronco. It was like a camo, white camo, like Bronco.

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with like a foxtail off the antenna or whatever. And, you know, so, you know, you knew when Ted was around and I used to be like, man, Ted Nugent, fucking cool. But the dude's a fucking idiot. I'm sorry. He's pretty dumb. He's pretty fucking dumb. So I'm glad that he got COVID. I don't, I'm glad he's not dead. You know, I don't wish that on people, but, but fuck you for all the bullshit you've been talking about this pandemic. And I hope at least you have a healthier respect for what's

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What's going on now? I saw a tweet that said, and I thought this pretty much captured the moment, and there were some pretty funny tweets around this, but it was, I don't know if you guys heard, but COVID-19 caught the Ted Nugent disease. So, you know. Yeah, but, you know, hubris, man. Yeah. I feel bad for guys like Ted Nugent who are so convicted in a certain mind frame.

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Yeah.

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That's right. I forgot to put that on there.

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That was a convicted joke.

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Well, yeah. I mean, I got to work with John Schaefer when I was in Florida.

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Oh, that's right. He was a Morristown guy. That's right.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, and, and, you know, people are complicated, man. I feel I truly, my heart goes out to people who become indoctrinated because I've been there.

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Yeah. Good point.

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I get it.

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I get it. I get it.

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what it's like to feel like that.

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And I just, so.

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I like to practice compassion for people like Ted Nugent

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when they haven't practiced compassion for anybody.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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Ted Nugent has not been doing that at all.

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He's been espousing hate.

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But man, from my perspective, like, I hope he recovers just fine.

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I hope he's just fine.

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I do too.

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I hope he changes his mind. I hope that he he stops being a hateful person or is less of a hateful person going forward. These a lot of these people who denied the COVID was happening. They like, you know, they haven't had shit like this happen to them. And then it happens to them. And then oh my god, my family. Like what about me like on their deathbed? They're denying the shit and then oh well, like I'm about to die. Now it might be real. Like,

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I don't wish ill on any of these people. I really, really hope that they can turn it around and that they can physically get better, get their health back, and then stop being so shitty. But I feel nothing but compassion for these people, and I just feel bad that they've been indoctrinated for so long. Yeah. It's a bit karmic in this case, for sure. But yeah, I hope he gets better.

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He's got a platform to deliver this hateful rhetoric to people. And that's what makes it tough. You know, of course, you want people to, you know, realize their mistakes and to be more compassionate and to just be more loving and change. But it's tough when you have this guy who's been spouting all this stuff for years and years and years. Like, you know, that has to, you don't want somebody who has that kind of,

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power doing that.

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You know how I feel about it, though?

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I don't give a fuck.

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No offense to Dave, because I know you're in the industry.

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I just don't give a fuck what any musician says, no matter what their belief is,

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because they're no different than the rest of us.

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And I just don't believe in the platform approach that I've got this platform so I can say what I want.

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Go ahead.

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I don't really care.

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So I agree with you guys.

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The problem is that a lot of people do, though.

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That's more about.

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Yeah, and that's the problem. It's more the people who are listening to them than the people talking.

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I ignore those people because they don't agree with them. I don't listen to them.

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They don't affect my life. And you're right, Marcus. Some people get just snowed over by that bullshit.

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I mean, I don't know. Is it a people listening problem or is it a music media problem?

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And you hit it right on the head because blabber crap is just ready to pounce on a tip. Well, let's be honest. They're going to go with someone on the left. They're going to go on the right because they got to balance out that because they got to get both crowds pissed off at each other. I thought it was pornographic that metal injection is posting John Schaefer immediately out of jail pictures. It's horrible. Why are you this dude? This dude hasn't like I don't care what his beliefs are. I don't care what he did. I just don't

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care. They've all become TMZ. It's not okay. And so like there's a, I don't know. I don't have beliefs about this. It just felt wrong to me. And I don't agree with any of the shit these people are saying. I just get tired of them being on screen and people falling for that crap. And I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass about it. I just, when George, when I saw it, I was like, I could give a fuck about tattoo shit, man. Yeah. I mean, we've already wasted enough. Yeah.

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Yeah, but you know,

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that was my point, Marcus.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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But one thing I'm proud of,

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I mean,

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despite the fact that I brought it up and I pooped on Ted Nugent's head,

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we don't,

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we don't do the blabber mouth or the metal injection,

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like click baiting.

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We're not looking for controversy.

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I mean,

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we'll,

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we'll call shit out when we see it like this,

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but,

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but we're not that kind of media bullshit looking for headlines.

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kind of thing. We're just metalheads, man. We're here to talk about music. You remember, George, just real quick, we saw Devin Townsend play with Annika at Prog Power. Do you remember what he said before he started his show? He said, I know the world sucks right now and everyone's got their views and I got my own personal views, but I'm here to entertain you right now, so let's just be entertained. And I was like, yeah, I wish everyone's got their views. They have a right to say them, but sometimes I don't need to hear them.

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I don't even mind hearing people's views. What I don't like is the way that media will spin things just to have a headline. You know, they'll take things out of context to try and make a controversy or, you know, it's just, I don't know. Didn't George Corpse Grinder, not the George, but George Corpse Grinder, he had two great quotes recently. One was, the internet has a

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Unhealthy relationship with his neck.

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And that was awesome.

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And then they asked him about lyrics.

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He's like, dude, we don't get involved in politics.

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We don't know or something to the fact that we don't know enough about it.

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So we just deal with gore and violence and stuff.

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I was just like, that is like the greatest fucking metal comment ever.

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You know, I've been.

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But that speaks volumes of that guy.

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That just says him.

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He's the guy in Walmart with his kids.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's funny because of because of certain people that I'm friends with,

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on Facebook who I won't name, I get shown people on Facebook that I might know that are like big names, you know, and I keep getting Corpse Grinder on my you might know and I keep hitting friend, friend, and sign him up. But he, you know, he must be like going, I don't know this guy deny, but because he keeps showing up again. So I keep hitting. I'm probably pissing him off. I guarantee you George, somebody, I

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Somebody made him sign up for Facebook and he never looks at it. Trust me. Well, I mean, he's friends with a lot of people we know. But, you know, I mean, and, you know, I've hit like Rutan and like just today I did. Who the fuck was it? Shit. Two really big names. But I was just like, well, OK, yeah, I'm just hitting them because I'm like, hey, I got a couple. I got like two relatively large names to follow me back because of people that I know. And I'm like, because.

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I'm hoping that maybe I can get these people on at some point because I would fucking I would shed a brick to get corpse ground around here you know what I'm saying okay I am I am clicking the add friend button right now secondly if we need to put the target card we can't he loves I got her permission I said do you care if I tell the singer for cannibal corpse that you used to work for target no no no

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Tell him that. Tell him, look, I can get you some rewards. No, just send him a $10 gift card. Totally. Wow. My Facebook experience is different. I get nobody on my friend list proposal thing. I've actually gotten pretty much everybody from Cannibal Corpse. I mean, in Rutan, Alex, and Rob. I haven't gotten Paul, but yeah. Is it Rob? Yeah, yeah, Rob's in there.

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And, you know, freaking James Murphy. You know, John, there was another good Corpse Grinder article just this week, and it was Corpse Grinder teaches you how to win on the claw machine. Yeah, I wanted to watch that because I'm like, that's impossible. Apparently, he's like really good at it, and they have this picture of him with all these stuffed animals, and he's like, I mean, I got it. And he teaches you how to use the claw machine. Apparently, he's just a regular guy like the rest of us with a really big neck.

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Lawmaster would be a really good name for a band. The Claw. Well, we spent enough on time. Next news item, George. So I'm glad Will's not here because this one's not metal and he'd call me on it. But. What? Ramones are cool. Yes, they are. The Ramones are like my favorite non-metal band. So Pete Davidson is going to play Joey Ramone, one of my all-time hugest idols, in a Netflix, a Newtflix apparently. I guess.

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I spelled that wrong. A Netflix biopic called I slept with Joey Ramone based on his brother's book. And I saw like a side by side and I was like, dude, this totally works. Just the fact that they're making a movie about Joey Ramone is like boing. Cause Oh my God. He's one of the coolest. He has some kind of a birth defect or something. He is such an odd looking guy and there's such, there's something going on here on his face. I really go ahead. Yeah. No,

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Well, he was like six foot six. So that's more going on there than that. No, I know. But yeah, he was one goofy looking dude. And yet he was just that was part of his appeal to me was like, he's this like, tall, gangly, goofy looking dude singing these songs. And he is just cool as fuck. And I've just always thought, I mean, he's just always been for 30 years. He's been one of my favorite people in music.

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So I can't wait to see this. I mean, I'll definitely watch this biopic. And I actually kind of want to read the book because I didn't know this book existed until you put this. Yeah. His brother basically curates a lot of like his stuff. He has a Facebook, you know, page and he like posts stuff all the time. And they do like an annual birthday show for Joey. What's cool is it's his brother that wrote the book. I mean, you can't really get more of a,

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authority on what happened to Joey Ramon's life and his brother.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, they did a...

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Hilarious, by the way, because I'm assuming that as little boys, they probably slept together.

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And he said, I slept with Joey Ramon's life.

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Right, that's the, yeah, that's the point there.

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And there's your second quote that's going to be clipped up and used for years to come.

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You know, there's a, there's like, I think it's a two-song EP called Sibling Rivalry.

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That's Joey and his brother, like, doing a couple songs together that I have on CD because I'm such a,

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You know, hunt it down kind of fan. Anyway. Anyway. No, go ahead, Matt. I just finished the, I mentioned it before I finally finished Please Kill Me, which is, I believe, the oral history of music in America. I would have loved to hear more Ramones. The one who was in it the most was Didi, but I would have loved to hear more about, you know, the Ramones as a whole. Well, there are some good Ramones books out there if you want to find more.

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This book sounds good. Get this one, Matt. Yeah. Oddly, I haven't read this one, even though I have heard of it. But yeah. So this next item is one that if you have the script in front of you isn't on there, but I added it because I neglected to. And this is Decibel Magazine's 200th issue. Well, I just got mine today.

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And they're doing an extremely extreme show next Friday on April 30th, apparently to celebrate the Stonehill Room. And the band's playing will be Midnight Chemists, Full of Hell, Horrendous, and Wake. So presumably we will see who this new bass player is in Chemists. Bob Rock? Yeah, probably.

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The issue 199, Cannibal Corpse issue, I did not get. Luckily, I know people. And so I was like, James. Apparently all the people in Cannibal Corpse. No, no, I don't know them. He knows friends of Cannibal Corpse. Yeah, no, I talked to James Lewis at Decibel Magazine. I was like, dude, the fuck? These guys are getting issue 200 and I haven't gotten my 199 yet and it's Cannibal Corpse. What the hell?

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So he put me in touch with somebody who, uh, Patty, who deals with this stuff at decibel. I emailed her. She like first class sent me boom, uh, issue one 99 came today. First class mail. I was like, yes. And then like two hours later, the mail came and I got issue 200. So I was like, sweet. So apparently I'm back on the cycle, but, um, yeah, I mean, I think this decibel 200 issue show is a must definitely in a, yeah.

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I think it's on a Friday. It is. It's next Friday at eight o'clock. I'm planning to watch it. But anyway, I will definitely, I have not yet checked out one single live stream in quarantine, but I think I'm going to check this one out. I even sent you a link for one. I sent you a link for one for free. There have been some good ones. The Gate Creeper ones. Yeah, but you know what? I mean, I like live shows. I just don't care to watch live. George, don't lie.

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or on live video on, you know, I don't watch like live concert videos. I'm like, eh, whatever. It's like either I was there or I wasn't, or I listened to the album. I loved the pandemic. I hate going to shows guys. I want to watch from the comfort of my fucking couch. I mean, I get that. I get that. Let me, let me sit down. I just want to sit down, dude. I want to sit, be comfy, have sweatpants on, have a beer, make some popcorn.

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Is this Dave talking or me? I want to sit in a big ass chair and watch the show. I completely relate to that. There's only four of them. They're all great. They're all great. George doesn't watch any of them. Maybe next Friday this will change my mind. There's another one on the horizon. He may just watch.

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They're gonna do two special yeah like all of nothing face and all of dimension hatro so i'm like

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yeah psych so yeah yeah that's that's a good part unless i gotta pay i'm not gonna pay to watch

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somebody stream something i'll oh no most most all the ones i've watched i were all free from the

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bands and then i ended up buying merch from the bands as a way yeah yeah is anybody gonna is anybody

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I got almost all of it. Yeah, I do. I ordered some. I ordered. I didn't get the big box. No, because that was from you had to order that from Europe and it was like $100 in US dollars for shipping alone. You know who got that, though? Trevor. Yeah, Trevor. I got Chronicles of the Northbound because that was the one where the fans voted for the tracks. And then I ended up. Yes.

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I ended up getting the DVD set. John and I were talking about this. I don't know because you get the free downloads. I want the hard copy. Yeah. So I ended up buying that. So I got everything minus the vinyl for the new album. Maybe they played five songs for the new album. I was like, no, I don't need that. But I got everything else. And I saved like, what, $150? Yeah. By buying it from the U.S. store. Yeah. I got, you know, it's funny that we're talking about this too because I do want to mention that.

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I like to watch concerts on television. But I will say this. I think I've watched more during the pandemic than I have in the last few years. I've bought a bunch. I've bought every Priest DVD that there is and this Slayer trilogy thing. I mean, tons of stuff. I can't even begin to think of it because I have like 8 million things I've purchased. Did you get Budokan for Priest? That's the 2005 show. That is like the best one. Is it the Epitaph thing? Yeah.

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Yeah, I'll look it up. But 2005, they play Buddha con. It's awesome. I mean, I really appreciate these live shows. I actually hope they continue because being here in Hawaii, there's not that much metal. When I was in Chicago, I went to a show every week. So I dreaded that part about coming to Hawaii. But you know, I was like, I gotta go. It's an adventure. You know, I can always fly back, see my boys for decimal. You know, I can go to California, hang out with Jay, see some shows. But because the pandemic hit, of course,

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of course, nobody's seeing shows. So I didn't feel that way. But now that we're going to come out of it, I really appreciate these live shows because it's like I get to go to concerts. I almost wish they would broadcast them in the future as well. Just in case I miss something that's going to happen. I think it'll continue, man. I think this is going to happen. Like people are just starting to get good at the audio side of it now, like after a fucking year. So like this is only going to get more extravagant and people are

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They're gonna figure out ways to do stuff like through streams and broadcasts and videos that that they could never do live like it's gonna be a new evolution of live sound just got to give it a little bit of time people to be you know have you know put their ingenuity into it and continue doing so and I've seen it change like I watched the gate creeper one and they they interspersed the song it's live but they interspersed it with cuts of the band behind the scenes getting ready for the show as they were you know tuning their instruments for the next song so I

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I appreciated the production level of it. They're putting more into it. It's not just we're just going to record one thing. Enslaved had different camera angles everywhere. The one John said that he didn't get, which is the new album they played, they showed them having a cake. Oh, afterwards. That was awesome. That was really funny. I enjoyed that part of it because you wouldn't see that if you went to a show live, just go out to a venue. I like that they're giving you something a little bit different. You're seeing the live

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But you're also getting some behind the scenes

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and other elements that make it a little bit more personal for the band.

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That's funny, Marcus. Just to show you how addicted I got to some of those.

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There's a band I like called Morgable.

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They're a kind of jazzy fusion metal instrumental band from France.

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And they did one recently.

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But they had a lot of, in between like two songs,

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they would do a long interview process.

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And it was all in French.

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And I literally sat there in 10.

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I had no idea what they said. By the time they were done, I was like, I think I might figure out what they may have said there. Because they were laughing at this one. I heard a name I kind of recognized. I'm going to run with this story. And I watched the whole thing. And I was like, this is, and they're amazing as musicians. That's cool, John. Yeah, no, it's very engaging. You know, I like that part of it. I almost feel like you get a little bit more of the band than you would, like I said, if you were going out to just a concert, you know, in your time.

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But I get what George is saying, though, too. At the same time, while I'm sitting there, I'm like, man, I fucking wish I was there right now. But then Dave brings up a good point. I got five beers lined up. I got food. I'm going to sit here and relax. Hey, I'm going to pause and go to the bathroom. I'll be right back. I'm so fucking short. I can't see shit at these fucking shows, dude. Like, what the fuck? That's why I started playing shows and being in a band anyway, so I can fucking just hang out.

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I get to be on the stage. I'm coming back. I'm coming back. No, fuck this shit. I don't want to stand in the back of this show and can't see anything. What the hell? Exactly. I'll stay home. I'll keep staying home. Hey, Dave, you get to be my age. You stand in the back because, hey, there's nobody else back there. Also, John's tall, so he can see from back there. I get the opposite. I stand up close. It's like, hey, do you mind moving back so I can see? Yeah. I stand in front of the house so I can critique the mix. There you go. Cross-armed, like,

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I like being in the pit and just really getting into it so I'm sure he's short too then like 5'8". So I actually like being off the side by the bar and where the bathroom is to like I gotta go I can miss this song. I also agree that some some people have been pretty innovative enslaved to be the number one and I agree that the sound has been has been getting dialed in. I think you watch this one Marcus I can't believe you didn't but it was the some Mexican metal fest or something.

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and they did a whatever and incantation played and the sound was fucking amazing it sounded so good and they were just like in their well i don't think they're in their practice room i think they're in a club in chicago or something or where the fuck that's where they are are they from chicago no like new jersey new jersey okay and uh and it was great so i've i've loved the ones that i've watched um and i my love for um dvds has been reignited

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I actually watched from start to finish the other day on YouTube. I hadn't seen it in 10, 20 years maybe. I watched the Ultimate Revenge. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I expect this stuff will continue because if nothing else, it's an additional revenue stream. So they'll be like, we're going to sell people tickets to come in, but we're also going to stream it to the people that can't be here. I hope so. And that's, you know, that's one bright spot in the pandemic, you know, that they,

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And not just that, but like record stores have been putting a lot of stuff online and stuff that they may not have had before. And hopefully they continue that. So it's easier to buy that beer as well. You know, I know I can't get a Droit Theory anymore, but for a time, I could get a Droit Theory in Hawaii. So I like that part. I like being able to be more connected with all the things I love. I don't care. Marcus, I know you've been in Hawaii for a while because you're saying Hawaii different now. You're saying it the way it should be said.

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Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even I know it's white. Tracy always gets on me about the pronunciations. Like you should say it properly. Oh, I mean, yeah, but I mean, that's the one, the one that I always catches with people. I know they've been there for a while. So anyway, a new beer. Can I ask, can I ask what you're drinking? I've got a doppelbach from shopping wood. Oh, I don't get a lot of doppelbachs, but when I see, I,

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I do Tavor. There's not a lot of Doppelbachs out there, man. Right. And so when I do Tavor and I see a Doppelbach or anything of that nature pop up, it's like, boom, bring it home. It's amazing. I love Doppelbach. From whom? The brewery is called Choppingwood. Choppingwood. Okay. Chopping Mall? What? Is that Minnesota, Matt? I purchased this from Tavor. Oh, you love Tavor. I'm sorry. Hang on one second.

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is what the can says.

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The beer is called chopping wood.

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Brewery is not just walking.

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I will figure out where that's from.

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I love knowing the geography of beer.

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Same with metal bands.

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I love knowing where bands are from.

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I want to know what's the name and where they're from.

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And it sets the context for me.

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It does.

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It's cool too because they get breweries from all different places like Alaska and stuff.

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I used to be in one that I used

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God, what was it called?

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It was like

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Let's Dish is a food thing, but it was a similar name to that. I used to get beers from Anchorage

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and

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Midnight Sun all the time

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on that thing. And when I see

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Matt drinking them now, I'm like, fuck, I'm so

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pissed that the other place went out of business.

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So

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I like it because

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when I go to my local liquor store, which

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I love doing. Who doesn't? I end up spending so much time because I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to buy because I want to buy everything. I don't ever walk out of the beer store spending less than like 70 bucks. Exactly. So with this one, it's like two four packs. Yeah, exactly. But so like this app is really good because they just send me things and they, I mean, I work in marketing, so I'm all about marketing and making people want to buy shit that they don't need. And so I read it and it's like,

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And of course,

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like half the time when I'm reading this,

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I'm already drinking.

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So my brain is already.

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So you're drunk,

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drunk beer buying.

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Why would we never do that?

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It's like,

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it's like drunk camping.

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Exactly.

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But like,

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so if I pull it up,

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I mean,

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FYI,

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drunk camping is drunk band camping.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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which we've all done.

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Didn't get that.

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Oh yeah.

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We spent so much money on band camp.

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It's ridiculous.

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We're horrible.

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Dave it could be the other drunk camping too if you wanted to be yeah if you wanted to be I was like I mean that sounds like a very interesting time I hate camping but get me drunk I might be down no band camping especially on there it's better especially on there you know first Friday of the month kind of thing yeah very I'm very close to 666 purchases I just crossed 2000 in fact today I'm 2020 so now I'm like okay what year

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Oh, I need one more. But I want to get my wish list up to 666 and then just leave it at 666. Like if I buy something, I have to put something else in. Guys, I think this Friday coming up in May is the last one, isn't it? For Bandcamp Friday? Oh, no. I think you're right, John. Unless they might announce another one, but who knows? Yeah, I mean, they killed it once before at the end of the year and then they brought it back. Yeah. It'll last as long as the pandemic.

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the No Stone Healer album coming out on the 30th of April. If you wait it one week, maybe the artist might benefit a little more. I already pre-ordered, so sorry. I did too, yeah. But I think it did it on the last Bandcamp Friday. Oh, that may have been. I think we did, yeah. I don't think I have them off the bat on Bandcamp. Yeah. Is it out on vinyl or no? I've got CDs. No vinyl. I tried.

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I actually wanted to put it on vinyl. I was going to self-finance it. I was going to do it all myself. And I realized that there's no way to actually fit the album on vinyl. It's too long. It's too long. The songs are too long that I'd have to change the order and cut something. You have to go with it on a double vinyl. Yeah, but you only have three sides on that though. I couldn't fit it. Yeah, it's not worth it. Just a suggestion. Just me.

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Maybe when this whole shit show of the world ends, play a couple live shows and get that fourth side with some live tracks. Yeah. I have at least, I want to say it's maybe a Woods of V pre-album. Yeah. But I believe it was like one full-sized and then like the extra songs were on like a 45. Or you can edge the fourth side or whatever.

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I've got plenty of those, but yeah. Anyway. Speaking of the quality, just because I was speaking of the quality, I sent you guys pictures of this, but speaking of the quality of merchandise, look at this fucking thing, dude. Look how fucking cool this is. Look at the zipper. Yeah. When you send pictures, I love the zipper. I thought it was a scarf. It's a 1985 on the thing. Celebrating one of my favorite albums of all time, Helloway. And the fin is just so flattering. And then it's got like a hellish kind of landscape on the inside of the hood. Oh, yeah.

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A Hellscape.

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Hey, Jay.

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Was that Marty Feldman?

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Who was that?

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Jay, are you and I the only ones who like Hello Waits the most by Slayer?

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Yes.

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Probably.

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I think so.

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You and me and Brian Slagle.

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Brian Slagle.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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I love him.

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Actually, Will really likes Hello Waits, I think.

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It does, but he's favorite.

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No, it's not.

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No, I think Seasons of the Abyss is his favorite.

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Seasons of the Abyss, yeah, you're right.

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So at the risk of continuing the live stream conversation, the last news item. Hang on. Hang on. Oh, my God. We got to move on. Yeah. This beer, this brewery, Bozema, Montana. Oh, nice. Interesting. Full circle. All right. So our last news item, Emperor is also doing a live stream event celebrating their 30th anniversary. It will be called A Night of Imperial Wrath.

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that is something that could entice me. Yeah. Oh, there's so much better live too on top of that. So, uh, yeah, I went to fucking Germany to see him. That's where I got to meet Matt for the first time. I watched that as my stream got killed half the time, but I did watch that. Chris, uh, Chris from and for a brew and I were there and we were just like crying. Like we were like 20 feet from the stage watching this thing at Vag and just be like,

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It was religious. I remember Chris talking a lot about that. Yeah. And Chris cried when Europe played. That was emotional. Chris is a big Europe fan. I did not know this going in. Because, you know, Chris is so like, fucking true black metal fuck. Yeah, but he loves Europe. He talked about him on the show one time. He was talking about their latest album.

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He liked the new style moment. Yeah, he's a bit of a softy. But I mean, didn't Europe play in the afternoon almost in the rain a little bit? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were all standing there. I don't know about you guys, but the pre-show thing where the bands come out and play the cover songs, like as soon as they open the infield, I was fucking crying listening to Whitesnake cover songs. I was like, this is fucking awesome. Well, yeah, because you'd have to hear about his Whitesnake anymore. No, that's why I made you go, George, because

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You watch that and it's like this is spiritual

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man. It was and like Doro came

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out and like sang with people. She wasn't even

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there officially. She just we are

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the metalheads.

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This is so funny. I

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saw Eson and I saw Dora

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at Frog Power of all places

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and I would never see them normally in the states

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because I don't think they tour the states anymore

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do they? Well Eson's never toured the states

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by himself.

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That's wild. I'm definitely

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going to get this live stream.

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I mean, they said that it's going to feature tracks from the whole catalog. There's going to be special guest appearances from Mortis and Faust. Wow. So, I mean, I'm down, man. An elf and a murderer. What more could you want? Is he going to wear his mask? I'm sure he will. I don't see him. Has anyone ever seen him since he put the mask on? No, not that I have. Not that I've looked, but I mean, to be fair. But I mean, you know,

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But I, you know, yeah. Everybody's like, who's that dude over there? Put the mask on. Oh, I'm just like, I'm more disappointed. Exactly. I love In the Nightside Eclipse. That was my number one record in 94 when we did the top 50. I love the reissue, I don't know, it was remixed or whatever, but it sounds so much better. Are those like the Japanese Gatefolds CDs?

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No, I mean, it's on Bandcamp. You can get it. It's a couple years ago. They remixed it or remastered it or some shit, and it just sounds a lot better. So if you like to collect actual physical stuff, they release like the, they call them Japanese gatefolds, but they're like little vinyl gatefolds, but they're for CDs. I got all six of them that they release. They're fucking badass. They're so cool. So they look like little mini finals.

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them up. When you're a kid, you're like, oh my god, a double final. What the fuck? Or like... We've talked about this a million times. I get this final and you stare for hours like, oh my god. Look at that image. You know what I saw recently, and to speak of many album, the reproductions in the CDs, you remember Chewbops? Yes. Chewbops, it was like albums. It would be like a Kiss album and it had a piece of gum. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I saw those recently on somebody's Facebook page and there was like a British Steel one. I can't remember all the ones they had. Did you get cut when you had the British Steel one? Yeah, right. The gum was extra red. Sharp. All right. Let's move on. Yeah, let's move on to new releases. God damn that Ted Nugent.

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So I don't think this is probably on your script because this is another thing that I added. So the first new release is a single by a band called Bro Job. And the song is WAP.

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You may have heard of this song in the news. It's a Cardi B cover. And the song is called Cardi B is. Well, I wish I didn't. But the song WAP is like one of the hugest songs in the country this, I don't know, last year, I think maybe. And it is just extremely graphic. And they even played it at the Grammys.

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like an extremely edited version.

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And it's a big deal because a song that was so literally pornographic was so popular and so.

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And it's amazing.

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Okay.

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Well, this.

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It's fucking amazing.

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Well, this is a deathcore version of that song.

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Oh, no.

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And it's so much better.

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No.

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No, no, no, no.

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Because I mean, I mean, I, I, Cardi, Cardi B, I hate Cardi B more than I hate Ted Nugent. Come on. She's an artist. She goes, and she's the dumbest person I've ever seen in the world. Come on. She's terrible. I hate her. Get out of here with that. She's an artist. Hey, man, I respect your opinion. I do. Can we move on to new releases? But, uh, but. What the fuck? I don't understand. I know. But anyway, uh,

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who was on our last episode sent me this. And she, you know, she just was like, mic drop, here's this, and walked away. And I was like, holy crap. I was like, hey, this is at least metal. You know? Anyway, yeah, let's move on to something different. Let's move on to some gore and violence. Unfortunately, Will's not here, but next up we have the new Cannibal Corpse, Will's favorite band. Their 15th album, Violence Unimagined. Yeah, Pat's

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not on this one, but Eric Rutan is. And yeah, it's good. You know, I mean, it's cannibal corpse. You get what you get. It's really good. Yeah. I'm impressed. I dig it. I think it's great. Yeah. It's great. I don't think Pat was on the last one either. Was he? He was. He was. Okay. So Eric just toured for it. I think it's good. I like it better than the last one. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. And I thought the last one was great too. So whatever, but yeah, I thought it was a good record. It's great. It'll be, it'll probably be on my list this year. I've enjoyed it.

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I'm sure I feel like after the last year it's nice to hear some new cannibal corpse it just feels fitting it is cannibal corpse accurately reflects my feelings about the past year it's just like I like that they're still after all these years they're not really willing to like invest in a cover artist they're like yeah it's good enough they have two covers yeah two covers

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It's the famous dance of death thing in which they were given the mock-up of the cover and they were like, yeah, we'll take it. And they were like, no, this is just a mock-up. And they were like, no, no, no, we'll take that. That's fine. Well, I mean, I only know the one, but is it me or is that like inspired by like Marvel's Venom? It looks like it. Sure. I'll buy that. You know, the whole big mouth and the tongue. Check out the other one, though, too. You haven't seen the other one? The first one. That's good.

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You gotta see the full one

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Okay and I haven't seen it

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It's good

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Where does one see this?

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Is it like

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On the internet

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On OnlyFans

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They write such good riffs

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Is it on OnlyFans?

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Nice

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Like Nutskid

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That's not the only fans I hang out on

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I like that

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That was a good bird John

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I was like Jay

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I don't know

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There's a resource the rest of us use

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Let me introduce you

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To the internet

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Okay

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The internet

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Cardi B sounds like she's on OnlyFans. Yes, she does. Oh, she is. Yeah. Don't know anything about her. She's not. You lucked. I support small independent creators. What can I say? Content creation. It's important. It is. It is. I really like the Cannibal Corpse album, but I get a little fatigued on it because there's not a lot of variety. But that's what you get with Cannibal Corpse. Yeah.

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They're like overkill and sex and they're doing the same thing every hour.

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Yeah, you know what you're going to get.

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They make you want to break stuff, but like after 20 minutes, I'm all smashed out and anger free and I just want to cuddle my cat.

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Okay, so when you say break stuff like that, I think two things.

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First of all, Limp Bizkit, which is no.

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But second of all is fucking fight school.

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No.

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And that's a good thing.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, it's really good though. I think it's, it's, I like this cannibal corpse album better than maybe the last one. Maybe the last couple. Yeah. It's good. Quality album. It's up there with kill for me. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, I like it equally as I like kill. Wow. Will would consider that. I wish Will was on because I want to know his ranking. I know. It's like so much about this episode is Will and Will's not here. It's, well,

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We only got two months to go and you'll find out plenty about it. Yeah. We will be pantsless. Some people say drinking, you call it legless, but we call it pantsless. Yeah, doing mid-year. I've been keeping up on my mid-year list since January. I haven't even looked. Hold on. Jordan's going to break the chicken. I literally shit myself when he broke the chicken out.

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the last time. What do you mean the chicken? There it is. Chicken. Literally. From Moana. Hey Dave, so picture yourself four hours in. Now mind you, we're only on pick 18 at this point, four hours in. And George brings out the chicken after we've been drinking all day. I saw this at Target and I was like. Yeah, we could not stop laughing. I was there with Corpse Grinder, of course. Pick 18, right?

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Yeah. And I was like, this is our podcast mascot. So, yeah. Yeah. We're there right now. We're just shaking their heads. I was, I thought, I honestly thought you guys were talking about a live chicken. Like my brother's a farmer. Like I'm not like sometimes he'll just on the video, like pull a sheep over and be like, well, don't you want to meet Molly? Like, okay.

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I don't know. So it's not out of the realm of possibility for me. I thought for a second, being a baseball figure, you were going to say, I thought you actually pulled the chicken from San Diego out. Oh, no. Anybody know who the baseball's later disappointed? The chicken from San Diego. Oh, my God. I'm super disappointed that Dave put cowbell on his album, but not an actual cow. Not an actual cowbell? No, an actual cow. Oh, not a cow. No, no. Literally, his brother,

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was sitting there with a cow in the studio, hitting the cow's bell. The cow's bell. Right. The cow's bell. Yeah. I mean, boy, we've gone off the rails. I want to hear, I want to hear barnyard sounds on the next album. Literally. He's a, he's a farmer. He has. Yeah. Like, I don't know, man. Like livestock is a fickle business. Well, this is escalated pretty fast. All right.

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Moving on. To another animal. Animals. We're going to go with the Lion's Daughter and their fourth album, Skin Show. They're a St. Louis, what, like progressive sludge band? I know Matt's a fan. I'm pretty sure Markisan's a fan. Yeah, yeah. I, just to throw in my two cents, I'm hit or miss with them. Like some stuff I like, some stuff I don't.

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I listened to this album twice.

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I,

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I,

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what I really dig about it is the like synth wave electronic stuff that they mix in with their metal.

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I dig the music.

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I'm not a huge fan of the singer.

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Sometimes,

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sometimes I am.

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So that's all I'm going to say about that.

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I'll let you guys actually talk about it,

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but the synth wave stuff is cool.

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Their last album, they kind of started down this proggy synth path. And I wasn't a huge fan of the last album. But this one, I feel like they ironed out the kinks and nailed the new sound. Like, they really are able to incorporate all of that synth in with the metal. Yeah, totally. I just think it's a pretty unique collection of prog metal, like, powered by 70s horror cinema and nights spent in neon lit strip clubs. And I like that. It's different.

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And it just works for me in a way that the last album where they started that didn't quite nail it for me. So I'm quite enjoying this one. I know Maddie's too. Yeah. And I'm a little bit different because similar but different in the sense of like, so Future Cults for me, it was one of those. And I feel like we've all had this experience where you listen to tell me you're like, all right, interesting. And then a certain amount of time passes and you put it back on and you're like,

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Like, oh, fuck, this is brilliant. Like, this is amazing. And a lot of it has to do, like, understand that I'm not an expert on 70s horror, but I absolutely love 70s horror. And so when you bring that in, especially in a musical fashion, I'm totally in. And so I love Future Cults. Skin Show, I love just as much. I'm probably, and Marcus and I, we've talked about this a tiny, I'm probably a teensy tiny bit more with Future Cults. And I think it was because that was my first, you know,

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experience of it, but it's definitely unique. It's crazy. It's messed up. Well, future called two. I mean, it's, it has more of the elements of the band before they made the move into it. So if you liked the band before like that, right. That sound. Yep. It has more of that. This one, they've moved fully into just like incorporating all of it together. And I can't think of the name of that album prior to future calls, but I liked it, but definitely have,

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I like them more now with it.

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How many bands or how many albums have they have they done?

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This is number four.

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Okay.

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No, because I checked out a couple a couple songs from this from the from the newest record.

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I didn't have a whole lot of time to check out all the records, but I thought it was interesting.

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I thought it was like something that I want to actually bookmark and come back to and actually give a full listen when I have an opportunity to.

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But I didn't know the horror thing is involved. Could you just quickly describe what the horror aspect is in the band? So this would use, George, I think he used the word synth. Synthwave. Synthwave. It's like those soundtracks of the 70s horror that use those. You would hear the synth introductions. Like John Carpenter kind of stuff. Stranger Things. And is that a prevailing theme that the band has used through albums?

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or is that a new feature of this?

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The last two of them.

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Future Cult, which is the one before this one, and then Skinshow.

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They added Synth.

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They didn't have any Synth before that.

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I'm going to throw my hand in the ring.

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They watched Stranger Things and then just said, hey, this is cool.

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Let's add that.

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And the last Eson album, too.

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Or the previous one, which had some of that on it.

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I like this, by the way.

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So I just threw my hand in the ring.

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I dig it.

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Everybody was talking about it, so I thought I better put it on.

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I totally get the whole horror synthwave thing.

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I love that stuff.

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It's a cool juxtaposition to what's going on.

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And some of the lyrics are all really stark.

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Like they're not super descriptive.

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It's just,

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but with really strong phrases,

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I'm trying to think of the name of that first song or the second song.

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But let me look it up real quick.

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But in any case,

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I am on board with these guys.

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Yeah,

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it's good.

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And I feel like it gets better as you listen to it more and more because you have to get used

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to the newer sound. Even from the last album, they've progressed with the synth part of it. They've progressed. I feel like they've found a good sound that they can mine. Their earlier albums were fine, but I think that they became a much better band when they incorporated some of this stuff. The synth is definitely more fluid. It feels much more natural this round. Anyway, it's cool.

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Spectral Lore, awesome. Yes. So, the new Spectral Lore album. Sorry, I'm doing a translation. So, the new Spectral Lore album, no fucking clue what it's called. I grabbed the text of the album title and I put it into Google Translate and it calls it Hetero Photo, which I'm probably getting

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is not what they were going for or he was going for here. Hetero photo. So photos of straight men, which is presumably who's on the album cover. But no, this is a great album. This is their fifth album. It's Greek black metal. Last year they had the split that was just fucking amazing with Mare Cognitum. And this continues to be awesome.

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Am I the only person in the world that does not like this band? Yes. No, I'm sure there's lots of people. I'll be honest with you. The parts that I liked on the album, I felt like I had to wait a long time to get to them. I just, I tried. I didn't get it as much as you guys. I think I know why it connects with people so much. I think I get that. There's a lot of black metal that I don't like.

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that I think is really cool, but I just don't like it. I would never listen to this. But it's neat. It's a lot to listen to. It's like, what, 78 minutes long, I think? The last track is like 19 minutes of ambient noise. Don't get me wrong, there are parts on I like a lot. I'm like, wow. I just felt like I had to work to get to those. I mean, I like the Mercognitum album better. I think, yeah.

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I would agree with that definitely. But hey. That's got risk. Yeah. But hey. If you don't like Spectral Lore. We got another Spectral band for you. That would be Spectral Wound. And their third album. A Diabolic Thirst. This is Canadian black metal. And this is. I would say this is a little more raw. Than the Spectral Lore. But. I don't know. Did anybody else dig this? I was not offended. By Spectral Wound. I was inoffensive.

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Inoffended. Yeah. That's a very neutral stance to take. I listened to most of the album, which is more than I can say for most albums. And I got through like a bunch of songs. It was fine. I went to the grocery store. I listened to it. And then I was done. All right. Black metal. Great. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. I love that description, though. I mean, it's no fucking Stonehealer album or anything, but come on. I think that's great. I liked it a lot.

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They would love that. They would absolutely love hearing that. Yeah, I went to fucking Whole Foods and I bought chicken. I literally was going to use Whole Foods in my statement as well. You know what? I bought a bag of spinach and I listened to it and like, whatever. Well, I was at Trader Joe's. Veggie Chris. Jesus. Must be nice to have good grocery stores. We got giant. I bought some cage-free chicken and I checked it out and yeah, whatever. All right. Well, then let's move on to our last new

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Another black metal album.

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Yes.

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And this one is Woad, Burn in Many Mirrors.

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They're British black metal bands.

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Their third album.

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And I would say of the last three, this is my fave.

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I'm looking.

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Dave's smiling, so I'm hoping he's got some good things to say about it.

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I got some shit to say, man.

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Oh, some shit.

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I've been waiting for this one.

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Oh, no.

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Went to Target.

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I listened to it.

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Whatever. You listened to this one while he was taking a dump. First, I'll say I think the musical ideas are very good. I think that there's some very good musical ideas on this album. But the second thing I'll say is that I actually really disliked this album a lot. Wow. I think it is extremely disjointed, stitched together, does not feel cohesive at all. It feels like they came up with this

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Completely separately. And it was recorded in a, in it, like in a pandemic bedrooms. Yeah, probably. Yeah, maybe. But I mean, at least, but, but like, I don't know. I don't know. There's, there's ways there's fucking, there's fucking ways, whatever. Fuck it. But I, I tried and I like, I think the, I think the worst thing for me when I listened to an album is like, I can hear potential there. And I felt like the musical ideas were

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really cool. It was interesting. There was cool melodic stuff and cool atmospheric stuff going on, but transitions were janky and just like odd, like off, like stuff not lining up, like drum fills not lining up the way that they should. And little things like that really bother me. And they started to add up. So like four or five songs in, I was like, dude, I can't do this anymore. That's fair. I mean,

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So for the non-sound engineer listeners... Yeah, well, hey, you know, when you're a sound engineer, these things matter. No, exactly. I know. I actually like this album, but I didn't hear some of the things you heard because I didn't listen to it like you did. But that's... We all listen to things differently, so... Yeah. It's a good-sounding record, though. That's the thing. It's like, this is a stupid and nuanced take from an idiot like me, but... No, I actually think you're onto something because I don't know if they know what they want to be on this.

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album.

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I can't think of any other word,

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but disjointed.

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They,

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they are a black metal band that's slowly morphed into a black and thrash or black and roll on the previous album.

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Now there's like some death metal aspects,

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thrash death thing going on.

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There's like three different things going on.

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Yeah.

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I like it,

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but yeah,

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I can see what you're saying.

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And the,

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and the imagery that they've used for the album and the hype that they received and the descriptions of the album did not at all match up to my expectations.

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to like my expectation of it didn't match up to what I actually heard. I felt like I was getting I thought that we were going to be doing like, like straight black metal based on like, I read a lot of hype for this. I've heard a lot of really great things. They've been all over my Facebook and Instagram feeds. Like, I've been getting this thrown at me and that I listened to it and I'm and I'm hearing kind of a mishmash of different things that didn't feel like it was working together at all times.

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And I was like, I don't know, man. Something's not working all together here. Yeah, they've been shifting towards that kind of black and thrash, black and roll sound the last two albums, I think. Yeah, it worked great for me. Yeah, I really like this one a lot. I bought it on vinyl, and I really like it. Yeah, I do too. I have it on vinyl too, so. Yeah, yeah. You know. All right. We are going to move on then. And oh, I like it. There's no Cardi B, of course.

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But yeah, no, nobody lives up to her. Of course not. I love disgusting female rappers. I think they're the best. And when I get really super fucking lit up and somebody else is driving me around town bar hopping and I'm sticking my head out the window and yelling things like I'm singing that shit. That's a slippery slope. That is awesome. That's that's sounds like a nightmare. That's my life, man. I am a crazy person. Okay.

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You know what Dave, I might be hanging outside the other window. Hey, if I'm in a good mood, I don't care what it is. So, all right. So last time we did Metal Thunderdome and John pitted Candlemas' Epicus Dumicus Metallicus versus Trouble's Psalm 9. On the podcast, Trouble won the vote, but we put it to the fans.

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And I know you all are expecting a huge landslide for Candlemas. But it was not a huge, it was a very minimal win for Candlemas. But Dave, do you have an opinion on those two albums? It's not going to change the outcome because it's, it was, they won by two. But do you have an opinion, Candlemas, Epicus, Dumicus, Metallicus versus Troubles, Psalm 9? Do you know those albums?

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Do you like one over the other? I've heard one song from each of those bands in total. And? I don't know. You don't have a pick? It's neutral. It's cool. It's like, fuck yeah, I'll vibe to it. Well, then either way, Candlemas wins. Sweet. That's the final. How close was it, Charge? It was two. Candlemas had two more. How many voices did we get? Well, I mean, technically, actually, I mean, on the podcast,

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It was you won by two, right? I think we did. Then technically it would be a tie. No, actually I'm really happy about that because when I came up with it I figured Candlemas would win because I don't think Trouble gets the kind of notoriety or respect that they should get and I'm pretty happy to hear that people actually, my goal was to get more people to listen to Trouble more than anything else.

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Yeah. I mean, even if Trouble won, I would not be sad. No, they're both amazing albums. There are no losers in this one. This was hard, John. You chose good. Yeah. Well, thanks to you, Matt. I had to choose again. Because some prick took your idea. Absolutely. Well, for me, it came down to the artwork, because I think both those albums are pretty equal. Yeah. So yeah, Trouble took it for me. But any result. Yeah, either way. As long as it's closed.

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That's awesome. Which I think everyone we've done so far has been close when we add in the

02:59:47.860 --> 02:59:58.740
listener votes, hasn't it? Yeah, usually they're pretty close. They're usually pretty close. There haven't been much in the way of blowouts. No. So, I mean, technically we could call this a tie because

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Who cares? Everybody enjoyed it. That's all that matters. Yeah. Yeah.

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So what are we listening to?

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We're going to the guest as usual. So Dave, what have you been listening to lately? So I don't do a lot of new music finding and searching these days. That's to be expected. Most of our guests say that, so that's not unexpected. Yeah, but an old friend of mine has been releasing a lot of music recently. Black metal, really furious.

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Black Metal called Impious Throne. And he just put out an album. If you're into like, I mean, I want to say like Marduk Dark Funeral, but like from Florida, like with a furious Floridian tinge, this might be for you. So Corpse Paint with a tan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually, yeah. Palm Dream Metal. This dude used to be, he,

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He's the ex-drummer of Maruta, if anyone remembers them. And he's been in a lot of really cool black metal bands. I played a show with him back in 2012 with one of his old black metal bands in Florida and was blown away by everybody in that band's musicianship and just that little scene that was in Orlando at the time was awesome. So Empire's Throne is his new band.

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He also has a couple other projects that are active right now, but it's like incredible drumming 270, 80 beats per minute, like real fucking playing. Like when you got the dude from Maruta playing black metal and like really loves the shit, it's going to be wild. So yeah, that's, that's kind of been getting my dick hard recently. All right. I'll be looking that up. Now, now we're only at extra dicks.

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Erecha.

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So what else you been listening to? I mean, dude, I don't like, I don't really listen to music, dude. You're too busy making a studio. That's cool. I mean, even when I'm, even when I've got a place to work, like when I'm like normally, like I, I like rarely listen to music for enjoyment. If I do, I'm putting on records that I know and love. And like, I'll use, if, if something's getting hype, like I was, I was intrigued to check out the Wode album.

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I was intrigued to check out

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the Cannibal Corpse album.

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I'll check stuff out

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and bookmark it for later

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if it's catching me in a certain way.

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Yeah, I need to actually

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sit down with this.

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Dog, I just can't.

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I have to do this every day.

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It's like my job.

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No, I get it completely.

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That's all I got.

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Alrighty then.

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Mark us on.

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What are you listening to? Are we doing album of the episode? I guess Dave wouldn't have one. Well, he might actually because it takes into account everything we've talked about. Are we doing that last? Yeah, sorry. Yeah. I mean, if based on everything we've said so far, is there an album of the episode? I know it's bro job, but that you that you know, that stands out for you. Dave me. Yeah, you.

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Oh, we do it at the end of our. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody brought up wake. Yeah. That was part of the decimal thing. And I'm going to circle back to them here. I really liked what they did with their last album. I don't even know what it's called. I really like that. It's called Devore Ruin. Yep. That one. The show that I played with with the dude from that band that I just said,

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Impious something. I don't know. It's fucking Black Widow. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Wake played too in Orlando back in 2012. So I'm circling back to them. Like I saw them back when they were like a primitive grind band. Yeah. They've evolved like massively over time. And I really enjoy. Was that Misery Wake? No, no. They're called like Misery Rites. Misery Rites. Yeah. Yeah. That was the one before. Yep. So that's.

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That's gonna be my album at the episode is whatever the last wake album was called. It's called Devour and Ruin. It was my number one album of that. Sick! Awesome. Cheers to Wake. And they put out an EP recently. Yep. Cool. So yeah, so I've been listening to a band called Kining and this album's called Aine and self-released Thunderhot Stoner grunge metal with just towering riffs, but it's the raspy,

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by the front man, his name's Johan Vogel, I believe, that really drew me into this album. It was a random surprise find for me, and I've been spinning it a ton. I really like that record. Also, rap. The name of that again, because I'm going to write that down. It's called Kining. It's K-Y-N-I-N-G, and the album is A-N. Really good. And they don't have a label.

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which I'm shocked because it's a really great record. Yeah, I think you actually, just based on the conversation, I think you'll probably dig this one, Dave, but we'll see. Then also Rapture, Malevolent Demise Incarnation on FDA Records. I like my thrash to be dark and wicked as much as possible, and this record gives me everything I need to satiate the speed death needs.

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I fucking love this record. There's been a lot of great thrash albums in the last few years, I think. And this is one of the one up there. You know, it's one of the top ones I've listened to in the last couple of years. Oh, Hava frozen bloom from avant garde music. Oh, Hava their last record made my top 25. So I'm really happy. They put out something new so quickly. It's really excellent atmospheric ambient black metal. I would say there's more ambient on this one.

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the last couple, which I like. I love ambient music. Lakai Shroud, Other Cosmic Divinations 2, self-released. This is another band that made my top 25 last year, and they put out two records last year. And so I didn't expect them to do a follow-up so fast, but I'm really happy for it because Other Cosmic Divinations 2 is another striking, transportive album of sci-fi,

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So a lot of the songs

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are based on video games and other

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science fiction stories

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which is cool because that's my jam

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Big Brave

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Vital from Southern Lord

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I was shocked

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surprised by this album when I put it on

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because it's way heavier

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than their previous efforts

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I've liked everything this band

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has done but they completely

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hooked me this time around

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I like everything they've done,

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but it wasn't enough for me to like,

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say,

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Oh,

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I'll put it on my top 25.

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Cause maybe it's not metal enough.

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It wasn't really all that metal before,

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but before metal elements,

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so it can qualify,

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but it just,

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it wasn't enough.

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This one totally different.

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This is chock full of slow pummeling doom riffs,

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just really expressive stirring vocals.

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It's a great record.

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I really like this one and I was surprised like of course I was going to check

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them out because I've liked their other albums and they've been around for a little bit now

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but this I think they just I feel like they found the right sound for the band you know not that their other albums weren't good and that I didn't enjoy them but this one it just it speaks to me in a way that the other ones did

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Intonate Severed Within from Willow Tip Records this is a

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Supervicious death metal with progressive elements, some tech death. It's a really badass record. I'm really enjoying that the more I spin it. And the last one that I'm having on this list is Aramit, Bearer of Many Names from Transcending Obscurity Records. There's only two of the three songs up right now, but those two tracks already make the album longer than most other metal.

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And this is just a huge mammoth devastating sound that I like from Airmen. Again, I've liked their other albums, but this one, there's something about it that really gets me. Right in the chest, like you feel it. You feel the music right there. I'm sure you guys know what I mean, but thank you, my Sludge Doom overlords. This is fucking awesome. I can't wait for that last track. And that's it.

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All right.

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All right.

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I've been checking out a band called Crust.

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They are Russian.

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Their album is called Stoic.

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It was released on Rumpf Productions.

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It's some really good deathy, doomy sludge.

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Lion's Daughter, which we already talked about.

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A band called Inoculation.

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The album is Celestial Putritity.

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That was called Maggot Stomp.

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It's the second album from Cleveland.

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They're a death metal band. Really solid death. The one thing I'll note, they had one of the best band camp tags. Alien Caveman shit. You don't see that one often. Strangely enough, DSI played a live show down in Florida this like last week. I like DSI. I think Glenn Benton is interesting but mildly crazy. But I thought, you know what, I'm going to watch this. And I did.

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And I found it strangely comforting. I don't know what it is about it. Well, I thought you were saying it made you feel completely unsafe, but I'll take the first one. Yes. I watched them play thinking like, what percentage of you are not going to get COVID if somebody there has COVID? And my recollection, like my guess would be almost zero of you have a percentage of not getting it. No, Matt, 666% of those people are getting COVID. Fuck yeah, Jay. That is absolutely right.

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COVID's fucking metal, man. Yeah. It's like, I can't sit in the house anymore. If I see one more TikTok video, I'm going to go fucking crazy like the rest of us. But I guess hearing some live DSI was mildly comforting, but it also brought me to this. And it was someone in our circle. I don't know who, so I'm very apologetic of not remembering, but on Facebook, there's an article.

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20 underappreciated classics of 90s American death metal. Worshipmetal.com is the blog, but I kind of went in a wormhole with this. The two bands I can think of, Master, as well as Baphomet, I believe Mortis Skull is on there, but it's just an amazing list of 90s death metal that I wasn't super familiar with myself, so cool shit. Also, Intonate, as Markson mentioned, so with him.

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They are from Quebec with the, you know, kind of that little bit of... Can confirm. Yeah, the DGEMs. Thank you very much. Thank you. For some reason, like, I like tech death, but I haven't been as into it as much as I feel like I am in 2021, so it could be a big tech death year for me. And yesterday, I did not get a chance to partake in the New Music Friday on Facebook, but two albums I will note. One I saw mentioned, Crypts of Despair,

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All Lights Followed. Dirty, Dirty, Death. That album is fucking good. It's really good. That's thanks. Oh my god. It was brilliant. So today I've listened to that as well as a band called Omega. Their album is called Nebra. Nebra? I would loosely call it post-black metal. They're Italian. At times it reminds me of Lord Mantis a little bit, but really good. Definitely check it out. And then as far as like bands that have just a few preview tracks out, Day of the Beast, Year of No Light,

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And Worfan sounds awesome. Yes, I'm definitely interested in the whole album. Once it drops. I forgot to do my album in the episode. Matt's going to do his. So I'm going to go with Kining and just because I love discovering a record out of the blue and I enjoyed that so much. It's really good. I'm going to go with Lion's Daughter. Because if my mom was a lion, I'd be her daughter.

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All right. John.

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All right.

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Just for record, I have not watched any TikTok videos during COVID.

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Neither have I.

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Watch plenty of Chatterbait, but no TikTok.

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I don't even know how to get on to TikTok.

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All right.

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I have a semi-long list, but.

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They're so old.

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It's not a will list.

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Get off my lawn.

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Anyway.

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So my first band is a band called Asiola Cry, The Ironic Divide, second album, first released in 14 years from an instrumental progressive metal band. I'd never heard of them until recently. This is for fans of King Crimson meets Gordian Knot. It's a cool stuff, but it's instrumental. So like two guys then. I'm just joking. I think it's three. I think it's three guys.

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I like King Crimson now.

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But the prog nipples always show up. I got it. Also, John, just as a point of interest between you and me, check out Saxon's cover of Court of the Crimson King. It's kick-ass. Oh, nice. That's kind of cool. Killing Ground album. Oh, cool. I didn't realize they covered that. Nice. All right, so my second album was my, I don't think we talked about this last time, was my March album of the month, which is Celestial Sanctuary, Soul Diminished, DB album.

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English death metal band.

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There's nothing groundbreaking here,

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but it's a really solid album.

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They do a really good job and it sounds great.

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It's a good album.

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I got mine in vinyl.

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Finally.

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Oh,

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nice.

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Nice.

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It's pretty good.

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Now this next album would have been my March album of the month.

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Had I originally heard it,

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I'm not going to waste my time trying to pronounce it.

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Apparently they started out as a band from Iceland.

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They're not from Iceland. They're from Brazil. They've caused unbelievable amounts of controversy in the last couple of weeks. So good. Let's make an attempt. Yanni, I don't speak Icelandic, so you can't call me out on this on WhatsApp with George later. But if you're hammered, you can go ahead and call me out because it's kind of funny. Fum, Miracrid? I don't know. It translates in Icelandic.

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It's a bit of darkness. The album is The Darkness of Death. This is all in English. I don't know who this band is. I don't know where they're from. I just found it on Bandcamp. It's a debut album. It's progressive, kind of post-black metal. They claim they were from Iceland. Apparently the drummer, the former drummer, Sol Saphir, got pissed off about it online and just started all kinds of shit. This album is fucking amazing. It's so good. And I think these guys are all from Brazil. The best drummer from Argentina.

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I don't know what's going on here. They pulled their album from Bandcamp. Yeah, if you bought the album, you can still use it on the app, but you can't use it on Bandcamp. These Reddit threads have been scrubbed. They're gone. All existence of this band has disappeared. Remember when that band Ghostbath? Ghostbath, that controversy. Or we're a Chinese black metal band from New Jersey. Yeah, whatever. I get money to be in

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but I mean it never ends well just no say where you're from whatever kind of music you want I know you've heard this marks on this album is fucking insane like I have it I mean I bought it when you found it I was like I always listen everything you guys put up on the metal Fridays and I thought that it was fantastic fine so I had to buy it so if you can find it on YouTube if now but it just think like it's a progian slave meets like an Icelandic black metal band I think it's the best way to describe it but

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Moving on. Another instrumental band, Liquid Tension Experiment, their third album came out called Liquid Tension Experiment 3. First album in 22 years. Instrumental progressive fusion metal band. They feature current and former members of Dream Theater and Tony Levin. I wonder how they came up with that title. I have no idea. Deep on that one. It's our third album. What should we call it? Three. Yeah. One of them probably suggested four.

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and they were like shut the fuck up dude no it's totally honestly i think it's probably a led zeppelin influence

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maybe yeah uh or they just didn't give a shit um anyway uh like i said features former and current

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members of dream theater and tony levin if you don't know tony levin is he's an amazing bass player who's played with king crimson peter gabriel is unbelievable even though that doesn't um i even though this has probably happened previous but doesn't that find mike portney

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playing with some of those Dream Theater fellows. Is Mike Portnoy part of that? Yeah, he's in this. He's the former Dream Theater member of this. Which is interesting because I mean, I think that more and more I see that everybody seems to be kind of get along is my point. That's where I was coming from with that. They are all getting along again. Yes, which is good. He'll never join the band again unless the other guy leaves. But whatever, you know, it's time to just bury that shit and move on. Next album, a band from India called Moral Collapse.

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Self-titled debut album, technical avant-garde death metal. Who's the drummer? I'm getting to that, all right? Just slow down. Play a role. Featuring a number of different guests, the first one being guitarist, not drummer, guitarist from Gorgatz and Disprhythmia, Kevin. I can't remember how to spell his name or pronounce it. Hucknagel or something like that. I don't know. I'm sorry, Kevin. I can't get your name wrong.

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Drummer that I might like.

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Hannes Grossman.

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I think I've heard of him.

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I don't know.

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Maybe.

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Anyway.

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I think he plays for Triptico.

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He might have played for that.

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And 12 other bands.

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Yeah.

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Alkaloid.

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I hated Trurl, I think, for a while.

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In his own career.

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His own stuff.

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Yeah, his own stuff, which he has an album coming out to pretty soon.

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I was going to say.

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Anyway, if you're into angular kind of technical avant-garde technical death, that's similar

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to Gore Guts.

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but has an old-school vibe like death during human or individual thought patterns or cynic, then this is right up your alley. I absolutely love this album. Nine songs. Four of them are instrumentals. Two of them are like this frenetic, crazy metallic-sized violin and saxophone along with the rest of the band. It's crazy stuff. I love it. It's good stuff. Two more albums.

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I don't know what I'm saying

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is woad. We've already talked about them, so there's no more point in going to them. I do this Band of the Week thing now. I posted it just on Instagram. I feel like I don't listen to a band's discographies enough anymore. I feel like I'm just bouncing from album to album, from band to band, so I spent the whole week listening to Edge of Sanity's whole catalog. They're just an unreal, amazing band. I don't think it's enough credit for the early death metal scene from Sweden featuring anyone.

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Bueller? Dan Swano? Really? Come on. You guys don't know Edge of Sanity? Yeah. Yeah, we know. I didn't know who you meant featuring, but yeah. Okay. I'm gristening every day, bro. That's a cool thing you're doing, John, just to go back to catalogs. I do do that from time to time. I just feel like I forget bands catalogs after a while if I don't listen to them. And my album of the episode is

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the moral collapse. Nice.

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All right, Jay.

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Oh, it's sort of short and sweet, but, well, sweeter than short.

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No, it's equally sweet and short.

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Made longer by this ramble.

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I have...

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We had a guest coming on this week who turned out to be a real nice guy.

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Spent a lot of time listening to his record.

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The Stonehealer record was on play with me quite a bit.

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That goes without saying.

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Goes without saying, but one of us had to say it.

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I have been listening to the lion's daughter quite a bit because everybody was freaking out about that and I think rightfully so it's funny because I feel different about it almost every time I put it on so God knows where that's going to end up by the year's end I think in chemist territory probably no Dan no chemist that was a big thing by the way when Sabbath was coming back with without Bill Ward it was no Bill Ward no Black Sabbath so my new thing is no Dan no chemist did you see the I'm sure you did I just

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I finally got my episode or issue 199 of Decibel. The comic, the Stone Cold Lazy, where they're like, Dio, you cannot be the singer of Black Sabbath. We are, you know, we are a mob and we blah, blah. And did you see the comic? You know what I'm talking about? And he's like, you know. I'm the only one that doesn't get the magazine these days. Well, he fucking. I know. There's like the Temple of Murray of the. Right, right.

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And this mob is assembled outside of the Murray Tower in which Dio lives. And he goes, fools! And he annihilates them all with this fist of metal fury. If you listen to fools, mob rules. That's also the Hall of Fame album in that issue too, is mob rules. Was that a cool article? I haven't read it yet. I just got it like an hour ago.

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By the way, that's not a metaphorical story that actually happened to Dio, just so you know. So finally, that last thing. Lion's Daughter mentioned I'm still listening to a lot of Michael Shanker. And not because I want to play show and tell, because you guys have already seen this, but I've been listening to the tribute a lot, John, because I'm trying to learn a lot of the solos of Randy Rose because I bought this. And Randy Rose is kind of a genius, so that kind of leads to a

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Falling Down Into the Well, as it were, though, there's only a couple albums to listen to. But Tribute really is a very, very fine document of Randy Rhoads' live playing. You guys certainly all own it, right? Oh, God, yeah. And I have the original version, which has the full version of O Fortuna at the beginning. With that version of Revelation Mother Earth on there, and so much of it. But he also is just so creative.

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Dude, that guy, and there's a lot of other reasons to like that record. So that actually has been spun an unusual amount of times for me, but it's because I'm going over the solos and stuff. That about covers it. That and a lot of old school catalog, deep catalog shit and stuff. Everything that's on my top five list was there because I was listening to those records, so you'll hear those when we get to them. Do you have an album for the episode? Well, I'm going to go Stonehill.

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And I'm not trying to be an ass kisser. Second would be a close. Lion's Daughter would be a close second. But I like the Stonehealer record better than the Lion's Daughter. So do I. I'm going to hang my hat on that one. AJ, the most profound moment of that tribute album is at the very beginning when Ozzy just comes out and just screams, rock and roll. Which he does over the O Fortuna thing, which is so funny because he's got this dramatic entry and he's like, hey motherfuckers. Ozzy just doesn't give a shit.

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He has nothing about staging.

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He's like, I've got smoking those joints out there, flying high again.

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Absolutely.

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The only thing is, John, I wish there was some more Diary of a Madman stuff on there,

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but at least Believer's on there, and that's cool.

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They only played three songs from that album on that tour.

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That's weird.

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That's weird to me.

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Yeah, Over the Mountain, Believer, and Flying High, that's it.

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And Over the Mountain is not on the album.

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Because that was during the Blizzard of Oz tour.

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They played a couple songs off of Diary of Mad Men on that tour. The trivia thing is from the Diary of Mad Men. I think it's at the very end of the tour, yeah. Well, hats off to him for Shoes and Believer. That was kind of a weird D-track. It's just fucking wicked on that album. It really is. It is, yeah. So that's my musical picture right now. What have you been listening to, George? So I was surprised Matt didn't mention this one, and I'll be damned if I know how to pronounce.

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this only it's not weird like some weird

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Icelandic name but

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it's just where does the emphasis

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go is it

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Alta Rage

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is it Alta Ridge

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yeah

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Alta Rage

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but anyway

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Succumb is their fourth album

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their Spanish like black death band

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I really expected Matt to be all over

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this one but

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Sorry. Yes. I think Matt would pronounce it alt-rege. Or for the Italians, it would be alt-rege. But, you know, by the way, there's an argument that we haven't had on this yet on this show, and I'm going to have it with you really fast, which is it's interesting to me that some of us pronounce ACDC's album Power Age, which I've always thought was Power Age. Power Age, yeah. So it's interesting to me. Yeah, no. We have some Power Ages, though. Anyway, we can have that.

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I've always called it Powerage. Did that actually come up in this episode? No, but it did come up in the last episode, strangely. Is it one word or two words? It's one word. So it's Powerage then. Powerage. Oh, I thought it was Powerage. Powerage. Maybe it wasn't even on the show, but I heard somebody say that. No, it's come up before, several times, and I've always been like. If it's one word, it's Powerage. If it was two, it'd be Powerage. That's the way I read it, yeah. Anyway, I broke your stride there, George. It's all right, man. No. So.

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Good point. It's a solid effort. Yes. I like it. It is not bad. But I call it, yeah, altourage. Like an entourage, but an altourage. Well, that's actually pronounced on to rage, but. So next up, I can't believe nobody said this one, but Bodom After Midnight, Paint the Sky with Blood, the last three songs from Alexi.

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and a cover and what a fucking cover where dead angels lie from dissection now i know

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dissection is probably way canceled by most people but i don't fucking care because i mean john's dead

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he's paid his debt i'm gonna listen to dissection and hey man stage your ground you know i won't listen to

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I got that but I like this section what can I say and uh where a dead angels lie arguably their most popular song and fucking Alexi just fucking destroyed this thing I mean it's it's fucking awesome and I have to admit that when I listened to this I got a little teary-eyed um I was just like damn why is that called what's the bottom after midnight concept why is that called that is it just because well the band

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broke up and Alexi did not have the rights to the name. Okay. And so he went with Bodom after midnight and they were working on stuff when he died apparently or maybe this was all they were planning to do at the time. But anyway, I got kind of emotional listening to this because, you know, it's like he died and I dealt with it. But, you know, and I went back and listened to the old Bodom albums and I was like, yeah, okay. But then to hear this,

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It was like, I don't know, like pick the scab off, you know? And I cried. Yeah. And especially I think I got emotional not before I listened to the first Bodom After Midnight song that I heard. Because like once I saw the, I listened to the track with the video and I haven't heard the cover song or the other song yet, but I listened to that one song and

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It was like this dude was still forging new ground for himself. And he was such a huge inspiration to me. Like I lost it then. I was like, holy fuck, man. Like it's time that these dudes that I grew up with are now dying. Like this is crazy. I lost it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like getting a voicemail from a dead relative, you know, that you didn't erase or something. Yeah. And he was killing it. Like this was, this boat up after midnight shit is awesome.

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Like really impressively good. Yeah. It's ridiculous that he's gone, but what are you going to do? All right, moving on. My next new album. I need to be clear on this one because the band is called Crown. Not the crown. Not the band that you know. This is all capitals with spaces between

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each letter C, space, R, space, O, space, W, space, N, space.

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And the album is called The End of All Things.

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This is their third album.

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They're a French progressive electronic industrial kind of sort of metal sometimes kind of band.

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I got into them at their last album, like Natron or however it's pronounced.

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And I almost missed this because it was called Crown. I'd forgotten who they were. And yesterday I was like, oh, this band. And so I listened to it on Bandcamp, immediately bought it. And I'm just going to say, now it's my album of the episode. It's pretty fucking brilliant. It's not particularly metal. It's a lot more electronic, industrial kind of thing.

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but not in an overly, like as John said, not in an overly Lords of Acid sort of way. It's kind of like minimalist, it's tight, it's cool. I don't know. Do you have anything out of that, John? Having listened to some of it? Yeah, it was weird. What did I say to you? It was like an industrialized Paradise Lost in moments post, what, the album One Second? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's an amazing combination of goth, proggy, industrial, metal-ish. It's all over, and you can add to that if you want. It's mostly clean vocals, although the second or third track, there's a little bit of harsh vocal. Nothing's overdone. If you like Frontline Assembly, you might like this without Frontline Assembly's overly industrial sound. If that makes sense, you have to hear it, I guess.

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You have to like that kind of music I guess too but

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Yeah

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I thought it was pretty cool I gotta listen to it again I gotta put it under the cans

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and listen to it that way

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Yeah

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To get all the nuance and everything so

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Yeah I've been spinning this a lot the last couple days

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It's good I like it

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Next up Crypt of Despair already mentioned

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All Light Swallowed

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Second album a Lithuanian death metal band

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Next we have Knoll

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Like as in Grassy Knoll

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K-N-O-L-L

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The album is called Interstice. I don't know. It's their first album. They're a Memphis Grindcore band. I like Grind. You'll probably like this. Did you see their Roadburn Redux set? I did not. Really cool. Visually compelling stuff. Nice. I will check that out. Very cool. I'm just impressed anybody knows who they are. I like the Roadburn.

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stuff. It's so like, and they were on there. So that's how I found out about them. All right. That's cool. Uh, next up is a combo because they're both L's and it's the same singer. Uh, so first one is called Lorelei with the ease backwards. And, uh, the second is called light field reverie. Uh, the first album is a demo collection from Lorelei and from light field referee. It's called another world. This is the

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female singer from Draconian.

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So I'm sure John knows who that is.

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That's from last year.

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Yes.

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The Another World is from last year.

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Yes.

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I just,

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I came across the Lorelei the other day,

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the demo collection,

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and I was like,

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oh,

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I dig this.

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Who is this?

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And I was like,

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oh,

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okay,

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she's in Draconian and this other band called Lightfield Reverie.

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And the Lorelei stuff is like dark wave synth pop stuff,

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which is just kind of chill.

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And the,

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The Lightfield Reverie is a little more of an atmospheric doom. More on the atmospheric, less on the doom. And I expected John to kind of give me some shit because I didn't really care for the last Draconian album. But I dig that all the rest of this stuff. She's a good singer. She is. So, I mean, you can't go wrong with whatever you listen to with her. Yeah, it's just that the whole like clean female vocals with harsh male vocals.

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I'm kind of over that. But this is just her, so it's cool. And my last album, another one I'm not entirely sure how to pronounce, but I'm going to go Paysage DeHiver. I just call him Passage Diver because it sounds cool. Passage Diver. Sounds like something Will would do. That was awesome. And it's their second album called Geister.

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Black Metal Band.

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Some Pretty...

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Do you...

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Sorry?

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Do you know how funny that is that you said it's their second album?

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Because I read the same thing.

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There's like...

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A billion albums.

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Yeah.

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Like demos.

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But it's the second official release.

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Second official release.

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Yeah.

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And this is a dude from, what's it called?

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Dark Space?

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I think it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it's like some pretty raw, just, you know, black metal.

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It's cool.

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I mean...

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The album that came out last year is like, what, two hours long?

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I think and it made a lot of lists and I was all like oh that's fucking bullshit man I don't fucking do and then I listened to it and I was like it's kind of super pure raw yeah I'm like all right fine whatever so I kind of dig that um yeah uh and I already mentioned crown is my album of the episode so yeah I got one thing one quick thing to add real quick yeah um my favorite my favorite uh metal blog these days machine music

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does a nine songs I liked this week column. And in this last episode, he turned me on to, I've been kind of waiting for Zaster, the suicidal depressive black metal band, to actually release some of his acoustic material. And the first single dropped from the forthcoming apparently 22 track album. Wow.

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And I checked out this track today, and I was so taken by what he did. Like, I saw some video clips and some footage of him doing the tours that he's done of, like, just the acoustic material. He's, like, playing a 12-string, and he's got a couple other guitarists with him, and he's doing entirely new acoustic guitar material. And this song was beautiful, like, absolutely stunning.

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And it's just vocal and guitar and layers of both. And it's grungy and it's kind of 90s and it's loosely kind of Tom Waits-y. And there's a lot of stuff in there, man. So just a quick plug. Like, it's something to keep an eye on. Yeah. No, I'd heard he was doing that, but I haven't heard anything from it yet. And you had me at Tom Waits, so I'll check that out. Yeah. All right.

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This is neither here nor there, George, because I know you like him. Did I ever tell you I ran into him once? Tom Waits? Yeah. Shit. Well, it's not even true he went on the street. I went to see the Book of Mormon, and he came out behind us when we were walking out. I was like, holy fucking shit, the tree stone and whatever. So apparently he was up for that. Wow. I wasn't about to say a goddamn thing to him. He is one of my favorite people of all time.

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I don't know why I never told you that.

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Yeah, well, let's waltz Matilda in the top five.

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There you go, buddy.

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There you go.

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All right.

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All right, so our top five this time is one that I don't even... It was Markisan, right? You came up with this? Yes. I have a list where we're collecting them because we have so many ideas. And I broached the topic to Dave when we were talking about him coming on. He's like, dude, I'm a huge baseball fan. So this is our top five baseball walk-on songs.

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No, and they don't do it in every stadium, but in a lot of stadiums when you walk up to bat. Or when a pitcher comes on. Fair enough. Well, when the game starts. But yes. So yeah, and there are a lot of good examples of this across baseball. So let's see what we got. It's one I had, you know, in the hopper for a while, but I wanted to put it out for when baseball actually started. Yeah, we've been sitting on this one for a few months because of that. We were like, let's wait until baseball

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starts.

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So I just want you to know, before we get into this, I went 50% humor here.

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They're not funny songs.

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It's just like, this is the last thing you would want to hear when somebody came up.

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So, but let's see.

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Let's see.

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It'll be interesting to see what we'll do.

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Yeah, it will be.

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Yeah.

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So Dave, I don't know if you know how this works, but because I haven't explained it, you're going to give us your number five and we're going to go around and do all our fives and work our way down to our number ones.

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Okay, cool.

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So my number five, I have a playlist here. I have to count them. Two, three, four, five. Okay. My, my number five walk up song is eaten by bloodbath. That's what I would, that is my fifth most want to walk up before I hit a home run or a double in the gap. It's the perfect eight seconds of it's a riff. It's heavy as balls. It's,

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I also like that you had your hip picked out there too you were like

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I'm gonna rub it with gifts

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let's keep it going

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so it means like four through one are like

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bunt

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this is my triple

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Marcus

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yeah

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so this is the one where I'm gonna get hit by a pitch

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it's my number five

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and it's bolt thrower world eater

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from Realm of Chaos 1989 has that slow chug in the beginning. Then this big growl world eater. And then it's just a massive onslaught of caveman metal riffs. Bolt Thrower is fucking great for this category of top five. Yeah. From the 1992 album Meantime, I'm going with In the Meantime by Helmet. Good choice.

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That's good. Yes. And I'm just going to assume that I like if it takes me 10 minutes to get to the plate, that it takes me 10 minutes. I might want to hear the whole song. Nice. All right. So mine are really not that exciting. I tried to go with songs that would get the fans maybe excited. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong about that. But my first one is not a metal song.

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It is a metal riff. And it just sounds like it would sound cool to walk up to. That's Rush working, man. I don't know. There's something about that entry riff that just... And look, you only have like five to ten seconds max to get up there. It's a realistic thing, man. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody hasn't used that before. I've heard Rush walk up music before. And I'm figuring if it's working, man, I'm grinding out a walk. You know, so... Yeah, Jen Lowry was doing Tom Sawyer for a while, I think. We had a...

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Some rush track in the A's for a while. I'm on base. All right. My number five is to just kind of, you know, just completely horrify legions of baseball fans by coming out with just go straight for the throat. Angel of death by Slayer. It's just, just balls out fucking Dickinson. You know, and you want to be, you want to be at the scream right about the time you get to home plate. So there you go. Georgie. All right. I've got my number five.

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Number five. And luckily for us, Will just a few minutes ago texted me his top five. So I'm going to give you all of those as well. So I'll do mine and then Will's. My number five is Cannibal Corpse. The time to kill is now. Off of kill. Because that just, it's just like immediately just fucking fucks you with how fucking brutal it is.

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It's just like, you know, and it's like, I want to walk on and it's just like, you know, and, you know, I mean, if, if that was to actually play, like baseball fans would be horrified. They'd be like, Oh my God, what is that? Um, so that's my number five. Why am I getting immediately fucking fucked? I don't understand this. Exactly. That is my point.

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I have different reasons for each of my picks kind of and this one is just total brutality of like you don't know what's coming and this is going to be a theme for Will. Will's number five from Red Before Black by Cannibal Corpse is Code of the Slashers. I bet he does all Cannibal Corpse for all of his five. I was thinking he will too. He did. Okay.

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So back to Dave for number four. Number four. Well, I mean, I just just for a little background real quick. Like I I've been thinking about what my perfect heavy metal walk up songs for baseball would be since I was like 12. Whoa. Like baseball was my first love way before metal. Me too. Me too. Like I.

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I was going to be a major league baseball player and that I didn't grow past five foot five. So like I had to, you know, like I grew my hair instead. So, um, so like I've been actually thinking about this, like realistically for like, like a really an embarrassingly long time. But, uh, so this was totally the moment. This is the moment you were waiting for.

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My number four song is a song off of one of my favorite albums of all time. It's Plush by Stone Temple Pilots. Wow. That's a good walker. That is such a great song to walk up. That snare drum, snare bomb, and those huge open chords. Good to do, dude. Perfect. Nice. You're thinking atmospherically. Nicely done. And I think you'd get the crowd going with that one. Nicely done. Yeah. All right. I love Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah. That album is so good.

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It sounds incredible. It's just so 90s. Yeah, it is. Yeah, they might be my favorite 90s band. I listen to them a lot. I made like a mix of my favorite songs, but anyways. This is great. I love that we're dream makers here on the Metal Heads podcast. It's still this bucket list item for Dave. You're going to the show, Dave.

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Number four is Neurosis, the doorway from Times of Grace, 1999. This is one of the heaviest Neurosis riffs ever. It's fucking awesome. Just that opening. I want to walk out to it. I actually want to play it every time I come out of this cast. Nice. All right, Matt. From the 1992 album, Psalm 69. 69, dude. One fix. Oh, yeah. That is a

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Brilliant. I love that song. I love that album. Yes. Yeah. All right. So being a drummer, I wanted some drums. I wanted a cool riff. And I wanted to hear at least the song played as the way it should be played. George will know what I'm talking about when he hears a song. From Iron Maiden, Where Eagles Dare. With vocals, you mean.

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Well, no, he won't even get that far. It's just something about that drum riff, or that drum filling in the riff, and you only have like 10 seconds, and hopefully the crowd gets going, like, what's that cool song? That's made in bitch. That's going to come up again. That's going to come up again. So I'm particularly proud of this one, and I don't even care if I get to the opening riff before I get to the plate. It's just, if you want to put the fear of God into the picture, you're going to want to do something like this.

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Rain?

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Play some song on your phone that they can't hear?

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They'll get to it.

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This is a pitching change right now.

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It's the opening sounds of Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath.

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The thunder and the rain and the bell and everything.

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So it sounds like a storm coming to the plate.

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If I get to the first rift, great. If not, fuck it, people. The human storm has arrived. Is that you coming to the plate or is that a rain delay? You come up to the plate, they start rolling out the tarp. Exactly. Jay rolls out the tarp. I just love the ominous, just the thunder and the bell and everything. People be like, what the fuck is going on, man? Totally. Georgie. All right. So my number four is

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Also an Iron Maiden song. But this is Running Free. And this is all about the... The way the song starts. This is my song of actually having some sort of beat come into the plate. It's just like... And then the guitars kick in. What are you beating, George? Huh? What are you beating? The pitcher?

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Yeah, so this one surprised me. I just kind of like happened upon it. I was like, oh, totally. Gotta be this. Will's number four. I have no context for this, but from the album Torture, this is Followed Home and Killed. I suppose.

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I suppose if you try to get across home plate, they'll kill you.

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But yeah.

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All right.

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Back to Dave for number three.

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So my number three is pull the plug by death.

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Oh, yes.

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Because I mean, when you think about a walk up song, you've got between between five and

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10 seconds depending on how long they let it go for. So like I gave it 10 seconds for my criteria. Give it 10 seconds to get most of the way through like a leading riff with a six snare drum and like a memorable, a memorable riff. Right. But the snare has got to be on point. So like pull the plug is the best death example for me. Well done. Cool song. Mark a son. My number three.

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I knew this band was going to be on my list because they have mighty, mighty riffs. And it is, as Matt would say, Carcass. Buried Dreams from Heartwork, 1993. I mean, it just has an amazing opening rift. And then another riff on top of that, within that like 10, 15 second window. So there was quite a few Carcass songs that I considered, but this is one I settled on. Buried Dreams.

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Fuck yeah.

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Matt.

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My number three.

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I've loved this riff before I even knew what a riff was.

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I also loved this riff before I even knew what Black Sabbath was.

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From the 1971 album Masters of Reality.

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I'm going with Sweet Leaf by Black Sabbath.

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And we will include the cough as well, right?

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Oh, you have to.

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And honestly, I would record my own cough. Nice. All right. My number three, I don't have one because apparently I didn't write it down. I had a couple songs listed here. It's all right. I fucked up Wills. I need to fix it. I'm going to defer to Dave on this and you'll see why in a second. So Cardi B then? No. The alternate number three would have been Evil Never

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"Whoever Dies" by Judas Priest off of the firepower album. However, Dave is our guest and he mentioned "Facelift" was an album he loves. So I went with "We Die Young." Nice. Nice. I approve. I kind of wanted to be "Man in the Box" because you're in the batter's box. I still love it, John. I still love it.

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So three of my five have intro sounds to them, which I love. And I did that on purpose. And I don't care, you know, copyright be damned for a minute. Nobody listens to this podcast. Don't worry about it. But this is the next thing I want them to hear when I come out. And it's the announcement of. He's the king of rock and roll.

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from the Sacred Art album, including the Shout Out. You're the kid, you're the king of rock and roll, so that would be badass fucking. And it goes straight into a fucking killer, powerful riff. Nice. Nice. My number three, what list would be complete without mentioning Thrasenblatt? All of ours. A list of country hits.

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From the, from the, his latest EP, this is the song Heave the Oars, because it's, it's so like, it just, the song pumps me, because it's like, nah, you know, nah, we heave the oars. It's, it's, it's, you're fucking getting, you're getting it done, you know

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He put in some honorable mentions. So his number five was not Code of the Slashers. His number five was Followed Home, Then Killed. His number four was Death Walking Terror from Kill. So his number three then is High Velocity Impact Splatter from Skeletal Domain. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

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Sorry, Will. He didn't include numbers the first time, so he clarified it. And then it made sense. I do like the theme, though. It's a good theme for walk-ups. Yeah, I mean, he would be all over this cannibal corpse this episode if he was here. Props and love to Will. All right. Back to Dave for number two.

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So number two,

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this again was like super easy for me.

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This is like been on my mind forever as my second best walk-up song to possibly have is Alice in Chains.

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Damn that river.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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that is such a powerful opening riff.

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And I don't get metal as fuck.

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You couldn't get that.

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Don't play.

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Oh man.

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That's such a great song. Yes. Yes. So I would get pumped the fuck up. That's like Triple's Alley for me. Like I want to run, man. I just want to fucking run. Oh, play in San Francisco. You'd be running for hours. Oh, you gotta run the bases. Yes. But if there's a rain delay, it's got to be rain when I die. Or just chase sounds of rain and storm. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

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Well, it takes so long to get to that riff. That's about an hour delay. So it's a good point, John. Well, my number two, sometimes I forget how fucking menacing this band was early on. And of course, I love all of their albums. And I've been doing a deep dive on this band because there's some anniversary shit coming up and it is Opeth. And the song that I want to pick is Masters Apprentices from Deliverance.

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Bitchin' Riff to start that. Holy fuck. I didn't even think of that. That is such a great song. Holy shit. Oh, I like that. Well done, Marcus. Thank you. It almost is my number one because it's just, it's perfect. Right on. Matt. All right, number two. For as much as I love this band, I do not talk about them much on the podcast. They are both technical and brutal.

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I'm going with Invert the Idols by Dying Fetus. I think the baseball commissioner would definitely turn that one down. Yeah, but they're like a Baltimore band, aren't they? Fair enough. I don't know why that made any sense for Matt being in Minnesota, but I guess for me it made sense. They're still Baltimore. I'll take it.

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The Orioles do suck, so they'll probably play them. Yeah. That is John. My number two. I forgot about this song, and then I listened to it the other day, and I was like, this is probably their best intro riff they've done in years. And at this point, they had already gone the way of Metallica and played for the masses. But off of the album, Euthanasia. Yeah.

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It is Reckoning Day. People would get totally jacked to hear that intro. That is the best song they had done in a long time. I love that album so much. I did too. I've mentioned this on here before, but there's a live album they did a few years ago called That One Night in Argentina. That song, Reckoning Day on that, is so fucking good. Dave just sings with this whole other weird register.

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I listen to it over and over just go back to that song this is fucking great yeah yeah uh mine is uh no soundbite this time though I do have a soundbite for the last one but this one I think is an epic walkout song because it's an epic introduction to an album and it is the hellion by Judas Priest ah nice arching riffs that are winning well it'd be fucking badass to walk out today that that that that reminds me of something you know if you play it right put a little extra pine tar

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and the bat you'll get the whole 45 seconds. That's right. Yeah. Just hold on. Hold on. Well, if there's a rain delay, you'd have a little extra time. Yeah. Georgie. Yeah. My number two. This one is all about winning the game. And this one is bolt thrower for victory. I was on my short list. Yeah. Perfect title for baseball.

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Exactly. For sure. And it would be pretty badass to walk out to that too and people be like, what? It's a great one. There's a lot of good bolt thrower songs. Yeah. For Will, his number two is also apropos, make them suffer from kill. The least offensive title in his catalog. Yeah. Which is shocking when you listen

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to the title.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let's wait for the number one.

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All right.

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Let's just let's call this the cleanup batter round.

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Yeah.

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Dave,

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can you get your brother to do a drum roll?

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Cause we need that.

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That's probably beneath him.

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It's he would not like.

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He would not.

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So I've,

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I've been thinking about this song being the perfect walk up song since I was like 15 years old.

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This has been on my mind for half of my life. There's literally no more perfect song than this, and I'm almost shocked that nobody's mentioned it so far. It's Spheres of Madness by Decapitated. Of course. There's no other heavy metal walk-up song besides Spheres of Madness. It's catchy. Snare Bomb.

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It's simple. It's accessible. Just introduce them to the spheres of my madness. And that curveball is a sphere of madness. Wow. Oh, fucking. I struck out. I'm fucking out of there. It's good of you to call it. I like that you call this out like that. I can't believe nobody's mentioned this. I honestly think it's the obvious answer. I was actually worried that somebody would say it before me. Yeah, or like several of us, to be sure.

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You're all idiots. What are you assholes even doing? All right. Well, we have been schooled. Yes. I don't even want to say my number one now. We all have to say that as a number one. My Grand Slam song had to be from my favorite death metal band. That's Incantation.

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Ibex moon. It's from the immortal throne of the Nazarene 1994, but I would use the upon the throne of apocalypse remastered version 2019. I really dig the opening drums and there's a big riff and then there's a growl and then it slows down to this super slow medicine crawl of evil. So I come out heavy and then I finish my walk with this huge feeling of dread building in the hearts of my opponent.

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That's what I want. What is best in baseball? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the rain delay. I was going to say if they're fans, but that'll do. Of the hot dog vendor. Of the hot dog vendor. Matt. Okay. I love this band's catalog, but strangely enough, this is a song

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that is been at the top for me for years from the 2009 album evisceration plague i'm going with evisceration plague by cannibal corpse fair enough probably will's number one too uh actually that's his uh his honorable mention oh it really was all yep fair enough all right john

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so far. Ozzy Osbourne's Crazy Train. They're going to play that anyway. ACDC's Highway to Hell. Come on, seriously, guys. And Centerfield by John Fogarty. I know, right? In Honor of Will, my number one from the Black Album. Psych. No. I picked the other song from the album Markisan Head from his number two off of the album Deliverance from OPEC.

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Deliverance. Yes! I knew you would have Opeth. I didn't know which one it would be, but I'm glad it's the same. So you can deliver the goods, which is a different band. Just that intro is just... It's one of the heaviest intros in their whole catalog, so... I agree. I agree. You're getting a sound bite on my number one again, and it's because, just like my Sabbath choice, I don't care if I even get to the open riff. I think it would be hilarious for a captive audience

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to have to listen to this as I walked up to the plate every time. I thought about it, Jay. Opening the number of the beast and just walk up through the speech. And then that's it. And then bat. I would even tell him, don't get to the music. Just play the fucking game. Nice. My number one.

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was pretty much the first one that I came up with for this list because this song doesn't matter what situation you're in, whether the band is playing or you're between sets on somebody else's completely different show and they play this song during the changeover, this song gets everybody moving. People lose their shit over this song.

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Huh? Doctor Doctor. Sorry. Only if you're going to see Iron Maiden. Okay. Sorry. No, but the reason I say this is because I saw Testament on the Practice What You Preach tour and during the changeover between the opening band and Testament, they played this song and the fucking crowd went like insane as if the band was actually playing. And that stuck with me.

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And it,

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this is just,

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uh,

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you know,

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if I'm walking up to the plate,

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I'm like,

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fuck y'all.

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And that is Slayer's angel of death.

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Oh,

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cool.

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You know,

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it's funny.

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I thought you were going to say George,

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cause one of the biggest receptions I've ever seen in between sets is war pigs.

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People fucking sing along with that shit,

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dude.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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rock the war pigs.

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Anytime angel of death comes on,

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people lose their shit.

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It just,

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well,

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at a metal show.

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Yeah.

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The metal show.

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If you're at like, you know, Walmart, that may not be the case, but. Or a Nationals game. Or a Nationals game. But my hat's off to you. I went with Angel of Death, too, because I was just like, fuck it, man. Why not just fucking bite the whole thing off? Just go. And Will's number one. Cannibal Corpse, of course. Hammer Smashed Face. I knew that was going to be his number one. Awesome. All right. Well, that was fun. Holy shit. Yeah.

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That was good. That was super fun. That was wonderful. I had a list of about 20 honorable mentions that I had to narrow down to. I mean, seriously, guys, I have playlists for days just thinking about this one question. List them. That's awesome, dude. We do honorables all the time. The best of my honorable mentions, Vertolette by Akrakaki. That's another great opening riff. Uningest.

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by Sangwisugabog. The bog. It's just a disgusting, just stupid, slammy, heavy death metal slow as fuck. The opening song to Dead in the Dirt's album, it's called Suffer, is the song.

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It's militant vegan grindcore. They're angry. Chase smiling. He's like, mmm, vegan. Sounds hungry, too. Butchered identity by defeated sanity. I mean, truly pummel the crowd. Make them fear you. Yeah, that'll do it. Make them suffer. And then the rest of them, you know, I started going down.

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the list here and it's like longer than 10 seconds to get into the breadth of the riff and it's like there's no point to that point so it's like i had to throw them out but you can do an edit it doesn't have to start at the beginning that's the way i felt with some of mine very i took this exercise very literally that's fair very so uh but those those are the highlights and you know i will continue thinking about this for the rest of my days so i don't know if you've seen any ace games this year dave but mark canna walked out to a madonna song

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last year and this year he's walking out to like a virgin which is just like is the fucking weirdest fucking choice dude he's a great instagram follow okay cool thanks for a heads up because i like him a lot actually he's a local boy too he's he's fun and he's like he's like uh i forget his handle but he's like a he's a foodie he goes around and has like cool food wherever he goes and he posts about it on instagram yeah they do they do food features on the a's cast sometimes where he'll taste the new stadium food and stuff oh nice yeah oh yeah he's he's

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I love listening to the A's broadcasts. They're great. They're fun.

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Well, boys, we've destroyed another several hours of our lives.

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Yeah, yeah. Not as short as I thought it might be.

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But, you know, we are who we are.

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You were a treat to have on board, Dave.

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Truly a lot of fun to talk to and really thoughtful about your album.

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and enthusiastic about baseball.

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Not always good with me, but it's just fun to talk to you, man.

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Oh, yeah.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you guys so much for having me.

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I have really enjoyed getting to hang out with everybody, and it's been a treat for me.

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So thank you all so much.

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Thank you, Dave.

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Yeah.

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Love the album, man.

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Can't wait for it to drop.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I don't suppose there's any chance that the Bandcamp version, I'm a big Flack fan.

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I don't suppose there's any like 24-bit

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version like

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96k anything like that is any high

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res version or is it just going to be

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the what I

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uploaded to Bandcamp is

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24-bit 48k

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just the straight up master files

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nice so high res though yeah

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that's good yeah that's that what that's what

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went out to digital distribution

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that's what went up to Bandcamp so there's

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no extra high res it's just it's just

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the straight wave files 24k

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is good enough for me. Yeah. High res in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah. 24. Awesome. So, yeah. Well, you're a badass, dude. And we like your album. And we hope that despite your success, indifference to success, we hope it's successful. Yeah. Thanks for playing ball with us tonight. All right. All right. Let's call it. Yeah. Love you guys. Thank you all.

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