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METALHEAD PODCAST

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Now, here's the podcast.

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Metalheads Podcast Go.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jerry.

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This is John.

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This is Markisan.

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And today we are briefly down a couple of guys.

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Will, unfortunately, got a hold of us earlier today,

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said he wasn't going to be able to make it last minute.

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Matt is going to be here, but we're not quite sure when yet, but he will be here eventually. In the meantime, we are stepping into the Wayback Machine today to bring you my friend, Josh Akin. Josh and I go back to the magical days of the 80s. We went to high school together and among other adventures. Welcome, Josh. Thank you. Thanks for having me. No problem. Should be loads of fun. Oh, it will be.

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A few questions. This one, I'm curious if you'll know. I don't know it, which is why I'm asking you. Do you have any recollection of when we actually first met? To me, I'm like, there's time before Josh, there's time after Josh, but I don't recall the moment when we actually met. No, I don't either. I was actually, I was actually, you must have been sending me wavelengths because I was, I was thinking about that the other day. I was like, when did I meet George? Like initially it,

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It had to have been through mutual friends. Right. As we were speaking recently, it was a pretty small metal community in Dexter. And it was just like you bumped into everybody at some point. Right. Right. I mean, small is that's, I mean, have you, have you told these guys how big are like graduating classes were? I don't know if I have or not. I know, I know it was like 140 people, something like that. Mine-wise.

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It was like 40. For my graduating class, I mean, yours was probably a little bit bigger. But I mean, so imagine there was like, what, maybe a dozen or so people in our school that listen to metal? Yeah. With those small graduating classes, I want you to know the lesson I'm taking away is there's a lot of really stupid people there. Yeah, I mean, there were thousands of people. It's just they were all too dumb.

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But if that or a 40 listen to metal, that's not bad. For the whole school. You know, it's like a town of like 100 people. I mean, geez, you know. Well, you know, it's funny. I was looking at the census for Dexter, like 1990 versus now. And it was like 100 and some thousand people. And now it's like 400,000 people or something like that. It's like, whoa, it's gotten a lot bigger.

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Yeah. Well, and you have to remember, I mean, it wasn't that long ago that Dexter was still considered technically a village. Yeah. The village. So it just recently became a town. So I mean, it's back, back when we were young Dexter, it, when you lived in Dexter, you knew pretty much everybody on a first name basis. And you were, if you didn't know them very well, you were probably related to them. It was, it was, it was an entirely different world. Yeah.

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An all white world. I'm just trying to think like who would it have been? I don't know. I mean, I remember seeing you walking around on the halls with a freaking Celtic frost back patch, morbid tails. That was actually hand drawn. Okay. Yeah. Now that you say that, I remember that. I just remember seeing it and going, that's fucking badass. On my stupid jean jacket. Yeah.

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I don't I for the life of me I can't remember did you have the same beard actually no I not until I got old and hairy was I able to grow a beard like this so do you remember my my Scott Ian little furry I had this like look just just the thin part and it grew down a poppy about here yeah remember when George had hair on his head too when we both had hair on our heads and it was long long it

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was long and we were probably what maybe two of like a handful of guys in in in the entirety of our high school that had long hair yeah we were you me you bill copenhagen and what like a few other people you know yeah and we were the only ones that listen to metal and you know we were freaks everybody hated us well that's not true people liked you i don't know about that you uh you were uh

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I think most of those people just liked me because I drank a lot.

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I thought I was cool and I thought I was cool for some stupid reason, but clearly I was mistaken.

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All right. Well, let's see if we can get a question you can answer, which is when did you get into metal?

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You know, who, who got you into metal and what were the first bands to pump your nads?

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Well, I don't remember the exact moment of metal, but I do remember rock for sure. And there was a childhood friend, Joy Delano. I don't know if you remember him. I started hanging out with him, and he was all into all the classic rock, Nazareth, ACDC, all that. And he turned me on to ACDC, and I

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I just thought that was the coolest thing I'd ever heard as a, you know, 10, 11 year old in, you know, a little backwater hick town, you know? And so that's, that's the very first concert that I ever went to was ACDC 1983 at Joe Louis Arena. For those who about to rock tour. Wow. I have never seen ACDC. Which going, thinking back on it now, I clearly,

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I clearly did not really understand what I was you know as 12 years old I had no idea what I was really seeing you know what I mean I had it was I mean obviously it was awesome you know I mean it was completely awesome but I just couldn't I didn't associate it with what you know they would be later you know who opened that do you know oh I don't I don't even remember yeah don't remember all I remember is that Joe Louis Arena was filled with a bunch of crazy people it smelled like marijuana in there

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And there was some crazy guy running around on stage that at some point mooned the audience. And I was just like, what is this guy doing? Is that George? It's probably Angus. But it was pretty awesome. And then I think from there, it just kind of was an organic thing. As I was into rock, I got associated with people that were into more and more stuff, you know, and it just kind of progressed from there. And then, you know, it started out with the classics.

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You know, it was a battery actually. Oh, battery.

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And then I kicked in and I was just like, oh my God, you know, what is this? This is the greatest thing I've ever heard, you know. So it just progressed, I think, pretty organically just over time. Because, you know, once you start hanging out in those circles, you know, everybody's like, oh, have you heard this? Have you heard this? Yeah, we did a lot of tape trading. You know, I got a lot of stuff from Kurt Hugie and George Schnell.

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Shnelly.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was Shnelly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He lives in Florida now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm friends with him on Facebook and Greg Nowak and Eric Thompson or just King Diamond,

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if you want to call him that.

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Dude was a super King Diamond freak.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you, do you have any idea whatever became of him?

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I've tried to track him down and have no clue whatever happened to him.

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I mean, he was like the one black guy in the entirety of Dexter, right? Yeah. So, I mean, he was, and he listened to metal. So he was like a complete anomaly, you know? Yeah. And this is like super cool guy. Yeah. He was awesome. Really smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He always had good music. Yeah. Always, always, always, always. Bill. Who else did I get music from? Mark Anderson. Yeah. Yeah.

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He used to give me rides to school once in a while. Really? Yeah. Sorry. I mean, sorry. I'm thinking about fetters. Oh, Mark fetters. Yeah. Yeah. Because you lived right across the street. Sorry. Anyhow. Yeah. Anyway, before the rest of the guys go to sleep, um, do, uh, what, what, what about like favorite styles of metal? Obviously I know you're getting to the, uh, the eighties thrash and stuff, but, uh, what are, what are your styles of metal these days?

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Well, pretty much everything. I mean, I just, as time goes on, I think it's just age. You know, when you're younger, you know, you listen to certain specific types of metal, you know, and you're like, oh, I only listen to thrash, you know, or I only listen to death metal or whatever, whatever the case may be. Or, you know, in the case of the 80s, you know, for us, it was, you know, it was, there wasn't that many different styles, right? It was just, there was metal. There's thrash and there was posers. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like,

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You know, but uh, yeah, it, it now I enjoy. I mean, if it's metal, I really enjoy it. The only kind of music that I don't really enjoy is pop. I mean, and so right now there's such a big, um, revival of, of what young kids nowadays are calling traditional heavy metal, you know, and that's what I cut my teeth on. You know, I mean, I mean,

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Halloween, you know, just all those bands, I guess, that now sometimes are called power metal, you know, Riot, stuff like that. Now that there's such a big influx of new bands that are playing that type of music, Fate's Warning, you know, stuff like that, that, I mean, that's always going to be my favorite at heart, you know.

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My coworker is big into death metal, so I've really been getting into that a lot lately. Southern metal, I don't know why you would even call it that, considering most of the bands that play that type of metal are not even from the United States. So yeah, I mean, just right now, I'm absorbing anything and everything I can get my hands on.

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Nice. There's so much coming out now. Just so many genres and genres merging into one another. It's pretty crazy. It's a great time to be a metal fan for sure. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And with like, you know, all the resources that there are out there now, Bandcamp and, you know, all the different various streaming platforms, it's just, it's awesome. I mean, I think about that a lot, you know, about how, you know, back in the day when we went, you know, what, what you had to search through magazines, or you had to listen to a compilation CD.

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or, you know, it was, yeah, yeah. Or, or word of mouth or whatever it was, you know, I mean, and that's, so when you found something that was truly awesome, you know, you were, it was like this treasure, you know, what was, what were the, what were the big record stores in Ann Arbor? I was just going to say, what are your favorite ones? Cause record town in Briarwood was where I got like master of puppets and a lot of that stuff. Yes. That was probably my main one.

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There was the Discount Records. It was on the corner of State. That's where I got my brain in blood. I remember that. And Exodus Pleasures of the Flesh. Because I'd like go to a movie at the State Theater across the street and then go over and buy some music. Are those places still around, George? No. Neither of those places are still around. Wazoo Records is still around though, isn't it? I think so. I don't know. I don't go downtown that much anymore. I thought it was.

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And Wazoo was more like what you would find now. It was like a used record store upstairs, you know, run by a hippie. And it was mostly records and I don't know, maybe some CDs and tapes. But that's why I got my Candlemas Nightfall on vinyl in 1986 from there, you know. Stairway to Heaven.

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Stairway to Heaven.

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Stairway to Heaven was kind of like down the block. Okay. Yeah. It was kind of sort of like competition, you know, but it was cool for us because you could walk down there and you could, you know, you only had to walk like a couple of blocks, you know, to get to another. And Dave's Comics was down there too. And Pinball Pete's. Yeah. Do the circuit, man. Yeah. And Tower, I guess, probably was the other one I liked. Sorry.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was more a West coast thing. And they started spreading like wildfire at some point. I was going to ask you when you guys got your first tower. Cause they're, they're Northern California is where they started. I was going to say, Josh, you know, I actually miss hunting for music the old way we used to, cause I'm older than you and George. And while I agree, that's great. The resources we have today, I think it's kind of a curse though too, because I don't have the same identity.

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with bands like I did when I was a kid. Now, of course, when you're your kids, you're impressionable. So that's that lasts with you. But I remember, I don't know if you guys were like this, but I remember for every like Zeppelin album I had, I knew every song on the album. I knew how long every song was. I knew what every break was every soul. I mean, I knew everything. Yeah, I wasn't so good with lyrics. I've never been good remembering lyrics that much. But now, but you also knew their titles. I mean, every song. Yeah, I don't

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I don't know any song titles anymore. Me either. Track three is awesome. Yeah. Well, there's just so much more coming out, I think. Well, yeah, I think I miss, see, I know George likes to poke fun of me sometimes. I still buy CDs. I buy CDs and vinyl, but that's because I like having hard copy. And I feel like with hard copy disappearing, it's just not the same anymore. And I'm not a big fan of streaming because I'm always afraid that streamers at some point will decide what we can and can't listen

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to. It's already sort of getting that way with like television streaming. Netflix, we'll give you these for a month that we're taking them away. It's like, what the fuck? You know, so I definitely, I definitely miss hunting through magazines and hanging out with friends. But of course, we're adults. You can't do that like we used to when we were kids. Well, but there, but you hit on something. We talk about this stuff actually kind of a lot, which is good though, because I like talking about it. And there was another thing though about that too. Like, first of all, like you really,

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You're right, Josh. Like when you found something, it was a gem. You know what I mean? Like you were like, holy fuck. But the other thing was that just everything was so much more slow going. Like a band could lose its lead singer and you wouldn't know for, you could easily wait until you get the next record to find that out. Oh yeah, for sure. Because information was so slow and you were relying on just a few magazines or whatever it was. Or ACDC could be playing at the Joe Louis Arena and if you lived in the middle of the state like I did, you wouldn't even fucking know.

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because there wasn't on the radio or anything like that you know what i mean like yeah those were different times man and everything was such a slower moving economy musically and i actually kind of did i do miss that personally jay that happened to me uh the band marillion i was just a huge fan of their first four albums with fish i actually saw them twice with him and then they had a new up come out i was like oh yeah i'm down i put out i was like who the fuck's singing this was 1989 when this

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So it's not like, you know, CDs were out, things were moving faster at that point. I was like, who is this guy? And I had to read through the liner notes. And I just was like, you know, one of these, oh, what the fuck? You know, through the CD down and everything. I had no idea. You know, actually, it's so funny that we're having this talk too, because I just had this memory just the other day. And it was the first record that I bought was a Kiss record in 1979. And I was only eight years old, but I bought it with my own money. And I was totally in the music already. It was Dynasty.

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And I was totally into music already. I had been in music for a couple years. I didn't want to buy toys. I wanted to buy records. This was the memory I had, though, was that we were in Madison, Wisconsin. We lived in a small town in Wisconsin. I don't know what we were doing there, but my sister was like, and it was the whole family. My sister was like, please, can I have a level? I didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. The long end of the story is that we ended up, some of her friends had tickets to go see Kiss.

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and they were going to bring her home.

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All unbeknownst to my little eight-year-old head,

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we'd pull into the parking lot of the arena.

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And I still remember being like, wait a second,

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Kiss is in that room and we're not all going in.

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It was like so mad, dude.

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I was just like, and I had no idea.

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I didn't know they were in town or anything.

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I was eight years old, you know what I mean?

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But I was a Kiss fanatic and I couldn't fucking believe.

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And I wanted to be like, she doesn't even like Kiss.

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Let me go.

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You know what I mean?

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It was the whole fucking thing.

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Anyway.

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Nice.

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Yeah,

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kiss in the seventies.

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I remember learning about kiss through flipping trading cards.

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Cause I was huge into baseball cards and you'd be flipping with somebody and they'd throw down a Gene Simmons puking blood card.

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And you're just like,

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what is that?

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And I was like,

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I got to win that one.

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Cause I got to go home and look at that.

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And I'm like,

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man,

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what is that?

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And then I remember those kiss cards.

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And I remember one of my friends in the neighborhood,

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his little brother went as Peter Criss with one of those plastic, you know, kiss masks for Halloween. And I was like, what is that? But you see, kind of hit on a good point there too, though, George was like that trading card. And you're like, I want to go home and look at that. And that was a fucking evening for me. You know what I mean? Like in the 70s and the early 80s was sitting there with the magazines that I had, however many records I had, which would have been less than 50 as late as 1982. You know what I mean? And just,

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I was paging through pictures of guys on stage and whatever I had to look at. And it was wildly entertaining. I was fucking super entertained. I mean, you know, I realize that people are going to be like, oh, it's just a bunch of old guys remunerating about, you know, like whatever. But here's the thing. It's I don't know. I was talking to one of my friends that's an artist and

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about this very topic.

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And it has something to do with the expenditure of time.

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You know, I don't want to launch into some weird philosophical thing.

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But I was talking to George actually not that long ago about collecting vinyl again.

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And the reason that I like to do it is because, I mean, for many, many, many reasons.

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But one of the main reasons is that I have to really genuinely want that thing.

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Because it's big.

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It takes up space. And when you're downloading digital stuff, it's like, what, another one? You just download it. You don't care. You don't think about it that much. And you're just like, what? I listened to it for 10 seconds. It sounds great. Download it. And it's like, before you know it, my various different streaming things have 9 million songs. And how many of them do you really listen to it with any regular, with any frequency? 53. Exactly, right.

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That is a really great point. It's the 80-20 principle, right? 80% of the things that you have, you don't use. And so it's just, I mean, there is something to the, I don't know. Anyway, I don't want to launch into some big weird thing. So I mean, especially for us, cause we get tons of comp albums and everything. I'm always downloading things. And I was actually thinking about this the other day because I just have just hard drives filled with albums that I am probably never going to listen to. Do I save it? Do I?

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go through it and just purge stuff. I don't know. But that's why I buy vinyl too. I like the sound of it. I like having something tangible. I like looking at the artwork, but I also like getting my favorite ones and just pulling it out. I'm like, this is what I want to listen to. My precious. Yeah. But you have to set aside a certain period of time to sit there and listen to it, right? Yeah. It's the act of taking it out, you know, taking care

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of your equipment, first of all, and then you sit down and listen to it. I think a lot of times, if there's not that kind of, I don't know if you want to say ritual or whatnot, then you don't. All you do is you just turn it on and it's background noise. That's what I like is the interaction with it. There's no automated process of my record player at all. I have to do everything manually. I like that part of it. Clean it, put it on, get up.

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I listen to records from start to finish. I never just listen to one song. So yeah, I love that part of it. That's what digital is for. I am the heavy metal digital museum archive. I am the, I'm the library of Congress for heavy metal music. I collect all the digital stuff of everything ever. Don't care if I never listened to it. If I can get my hands on it, I've got it. It's there for the future. I'm doing it for the children. Yeah. I was,

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I was going to say, you hit on something, Josh, and I think the reason why people our age, old dudes like us, like to talk about those days is because we had air. Well, yeah, but and Markisan you can add to this afters because you're X number of years behind. It's not that far, but far enough. And I think you'll know what I mean when I say this. So when we first started listening to music, it was FM and it was vinyl.

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and tape started.

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Reel to Reel was just finally dying.

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And 8-Track, for some reason, was still in that one dude's Trans Am.

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But we didn't have cable.

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We didn't have cordless phones.

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We didn't have computers.

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Video games were basically dot matrix games at an arcade or a pizza place.

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And so we kind of were that bridge between the old ways of doing things entertainment-wise.

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And we got to see everything start. I remember my first time on a TSR-80, if anyone remembers what the TSR-80 is. Yeah, you know, and so I think that's why probably people our age reminisce so much about that time is because, you know, the first Betamax. We got to see so much of everything. Everything happened. Yeah, and we went from like basically horse and buggy to space shuttles almost. And I'm using an extreme case there, obviously.

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I might have seen a horse. Unless you're in Pennsylvania, then that's very real. Yeah. But it's just, I think that's what it is. I think we, we saw so much change happen because kids today, they laugh at us and make fun of us and call us boomers. It's like, dude, at least get your generation right. You're going to, you know, that's the generation before us. Thank you very much. Exactly. But they don't know what it's like to see the whole process of, I mean, I still remember my dad,

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I put reel-to-reel on and listen to Johnny Mathis. I was like, oh God, not again. But I was still captivated by watching him go through the process of putting it up on the reel and streaming it through. Yeah. I don't know how we got it, but back in the days before, like even the beta, my dad had a reel-to-reel audio recording of Star Wars. Oh, wow. At this time, all you could get was whatever was on TV or what was in the movie theater. If you missed it in the theater,

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You were fucked until it came to TV, the edited TV version. Unless you lived in New York and you get by it on the street corner. Yeah. But that was it. I used to sit and listen to, you know, A New Hope on reel-to-reel over and over again, which is why I know, like, every little noise in that movie. You know, Docking Bay 94, 94. You know, everything, because I've just listened to that so many times, because it was the only thing I'd get my hands on. So, you know, this is fun to talk about. The thing, the first home movie experience,

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that I remember was my dad used to go to the University of Wisconsin and this was a would have been when I was like three or four and he would check out one of those old projectors that you used to watch things on in school oh yeah and we would watch and we watched like Charlie Chaplin movies and Mark's Brothers movies and mostly silent films but they had music on them and sometimes we used to go out and set it up in the front yard and some of the neighbors come over and just wander by and be like hanging from the tree

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What are you guys watching movies that's awesome? But I saw like every Charlie Chapman movie that way. I absolutely missed that sound. Sorry, George. No, yeah, that sound. I missed it so much. You remember like the old AV in school and they're playing you the, you know, you put lights out and turn this thing on and if the bear doesn't catch any salmon, it's going to be a lean winter. You know, actually the very, I have to say too, just to throw this into the very first time,

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I ever saw Kiss move to the best of my memory was on a friend's mom had seen them and taken a Super 8 film. And we watched the Super 8. Terrible footage from like the fucking Netflix. But yeah, no sound, just, and I was like, which one is that? You know what I mean? I wanted so bad to see what they looked like when they moved. Well, I remember in high school, I was a projectionist in a movie theater. So I got to hear that sound, John, over and over. But that would have been such a cool job to have, Delmar.

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It was a really cool job. Yeah. Cause I had to put together the movie,

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you had to splice together the film and then I would run it through at night and I would have friends come over and we'd,

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you know,

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preview it to make sure everything was,

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was good. Cause sometimes it was tricky.

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People would put it on wrong.

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They put like the soundtrack on the wrong side or something like that.

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Oops. All right.

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So,

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you know,

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those little dots up in the corner for the changing of the reel,

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they had like a shoe polish so you could mark the spots.

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It was really crazy.

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How many times did you get booed? Be honest. I had one movie shut down. The projection equipment just stopped. You had to thread it and you had to have enough leeway in it so it would go through smoothly. If you did it too tight, sometimes it would just tighten up and mess up the film. Then there was these giant platters. There was these three giant platters that you had the film on. They would spool from one.

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They'd go into the projector, into another platter. So sometimes if the platters weren't even, they weren't perfectly straight, the entire film on the platter could just come off. Remember how people would turn into savages? They'd start screaming and throwing stuff at the screen. For you children of the 70s, for those of you who haven't seen it yet, if you haven't seen Licorice Pizza, it captures the 70s so fucking good. I gotta see that.

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I think we appreciate things more because of that.

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I'm not saying people don't, but I think we have a different appreciation.

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I should say.

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There's, there's, there's actually something to it too, because you know, they, they, there's been studies where if you record something with your phone, you lose 80% of that memory in almost instantly because you, you, you take a picture, you take a video, whatever it is that you do. And then your, your, your brain goes, that's recorded somewhere else. I don't need to remember that.

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Wow. You know, so it, it, when I, when I couple, a few years back, I got the chance to go to, to France and Germany, a bunch of places in Europe. And I intentionally did not take any pictures or any, I took a few, but I didn't, I didn't walk around with my phone out all day because I wanted to remember as much of it as I could while I was there. And it just, I don't know. I think, I mean, I don't know. Anyway, I'm going to launch.

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I rarely take pictures now at shows. I'll take like with friends or something and take pictures of you guys together. That'd be fun. But, you know, it's rarely spend time taking pictures of bands. I just want to experience the band playing live. Exactly. I'll take like a token picture of each band once just to like post on the site and be like, you know, we're going to see so and so. But I like to get a couple just for myself. I can go back and look at them. But I, I, yeah, these people,

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that are taking them the whole show. It's just like, oh, man, I'm going to take that phone and shove it right up your ass in a second. Fuck. I watched the whole show through your phone. Yeah, exactly. It's like, dude, you're right here. Instead of watching it through your phone, how about you actually just watch it? And the thing of it is, too, is there's professional photographers there. So if you really want to see some really good shots that aren't on your shitty phone, you can just go on the Internet the next day and find some really good shots. Or watch the whole fucking show on YouTube. Somebody's going to put it up.

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That's the other part. I think these are all relevant things to mention though. I say again, the scarcity thing, I miss that. I miss it and I don't. I felt like there was a sense of discovery and innovation back then because you didn't have everything at your fingertips. So whether it was a record or comic books or something, if you went out to a place, a store, a convention, a show, you might find

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something new. And nowadays, you know about it likely like six months in advance before it even comes out. Oh, because you have three tracks that then dropped one each month for the past three months. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you, and they have to do that because they have to promote because there's so much music coming out. But, you know, you lose something about that with comic books. I do do that sometimes. Like I've been collecting Conan comics when I was a kid, I always got these Conan comics, but I never had the whole run. So I only buy them at conventions.

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I won't buy them online. Or if I go to a shop at a different store, like if I go to Baltimore or something like that, and I go to a comic shop, I check it out. Maybe they'll have an issue. And so I slowly build it up, and it rekindles that sense of discovery that I love when I was a child. Yeah, I do the same thing with the Conan comics. I've got a bunch of them, but I've still got a ways to go yet. You know, I think one of the other things, though, too, that comes into this with the scarcity thing, and I think we would all agree that the way the

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Record Companies Ran Things Back in the day when they ran things. Wasn't optimal. But the whole of the internet has subtracted editors from our lives. And I'm a firm believer that we need editors. And somebody to turn the stream down a little bit or to keep the truth in a little bit or whatever the fuck it is. But now everybody has this open pipe to your eyeballs and ears. And that I find a little overwhelming with music. There's that band camp.

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has so much stuff that really doesn't need to be out there for all of us to hear.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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That's something that would be interesting to talk about later, too, is Bain Camp getting bought.

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Right.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I hope it doesn't change.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I miss going to the Tower Records and just going literally through.

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I don't know if you ever had to go there with me, Josh, but I would spend like two hours just like literally looking through every single thing to see if I missed anything. And, you know, that's how I came across some bands like Sentenced, you know. I remember when I bought my first Sentenced album and I came home and I called you and I was like, dude, Sentenced. Oh, yeah. My very first Amount of Marth album I bought there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was.

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That was the very first record store around here at any rate that had like a dedicated metal section that was, you know, like serious metal section, you know. Rock of Ages. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I brought up Rock of Ages at work the other day and both the guys that I work with were like, oh my God, Rock of Ages, man. Because it was like a pilgrimage, right? Yeah, it was like a good 45 hour drive or whatever from

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where we were, which back then that was like a big deal. Now I do that every day. But that's just to get to 270. Yeah. But that was like, you know, you save up all your fucking money and go to Rock of Ages because they had a real metal section. I mean, it was mostly metal. Yeah. Yeah. The whole place was metal. Dude, we would go there with an entire list of things written down on a piece of paper. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, look for this and this and this and this and this.

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And like you said, you'd come out of there broke.

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That's where I'd get like, you know, you couldn't find like the early Manowar albums.

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You get it there or the Running Wild stuff from the like late 80s, early 90s.

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You know, and it'd be like $30 for a CD.

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Blind Guardian, that's where I first, you know, like their first couple albums when those came out, nobody knew who they were.

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I got those there for like 30 bucks a pop.

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Yeah.

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Gamma Ray.

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I can remember clear as day.

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We were there one time and you were picking up Gamma Ray.

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And I was like, oh, it's Halloween. It's the guy from Halloween. And I was like, what? Like, what? It was crazy, man. Crazy. Rock of Ages is still there. It is. Oh, man. I got to go there sometime. You guys mentioned Tower. That was the first, like, nationwide coast to coast chain that actually had a metal section. Yeah. Because most places didn't. They have a little bit, but like every tower ever went into

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It was huge. Of course, towers were big to begin with, as it was. They were the home depots of music for a while. Even Record Town had that little import metal section all the way back into the left. It was literally one bin. That's where I got Voivod and my first Running Wild album. It was crazy. I love that tower, man. I remember getting Nile, Incantation Records there. That's so much shit.

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So yeah,

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that's all those are gone now.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to take another moment here.

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It's a plug.

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The documentary about record.

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Sorry.

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If you've never seen,

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it's totally worth watching.

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I've been willing to see that.

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Forget what it's called,

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but it's,

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um,

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it's just totally worthwhile because the people who owned it and put it

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together and ran it,

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where it's just as cool as you would hope they were.

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Hey,

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Jay,

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do you ever drive by the one up in Sacramento,

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the original one?

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Uh,

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I don't go to Sacramento.

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in all honesty for not any insulting reason but that one is still open correct i think that's the only place if there is anything up i thought there was one more somewhere else but maybe i've been by a number of times just it's just cool to see the the actual building yeah and it's at the center of that documentary because yeah uh you know if uh next time i'm up there i will i'll drive by it for sure i love tower too and i also love listening stations at tower those were great

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They chose the things you listen to, but I found some stuff that way, you know, and I'd be like, checking stuff out. There are a few things, yeah. I mean, the one place where you could actually listen to something like, well, my friends don't know I'm listening to this right now. Well, I will say this. Tower was around long enough that two records I heard for the first time at Tower on a listening station were Monster Magnet. That was one of their later records, but then

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I heard for the first time.

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Oh, wow.

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And I had some guy at an Opus show was like, you need to check out this van Mastodon.

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Yeah.

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Those headphone stations, though, the sound was balls.

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And sometimes it's horrible.

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That's where I first heard Gavin the Garaw.

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You got an idea.

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Yeah.

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You got an idea.

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Yeah.

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I bought that record.

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I was like, this is fucking great, man.

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So that was my introduction to Mastodon, you know.

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I certainly missed the Tower Magazine with the Desire Allen disc section in the back. I used to comb through that every time it came out. I was like, man, this guy's list sucks. But still, I still read them, though. Because that's what they liked. Everyone has their own preference. Now we have Decibel for that. Yeah. I'm sorry. I have to bring it up every time we've mentioned that. I laugh every time how we were like, this list sucks. And by the end of the year, we're like, you know, it actually wasn't that bad. I kind of like that list. It's a pretty good list.

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We do it every year.

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Well, we should probably move into this millennium before Matt shows up and starts glazing over.

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Why can't we keep going with the geriatric cash?

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Matt's going to come in like, even Marcus will have a great beard at that point.

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I thought I had a good beard.

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No, great.

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You'd be all great and everything.

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Oh, yeah.

00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:04.140
So, Josh, what are some of your favorite albums from last year?

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Last year?

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Yeah.

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Tough question.

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The problem is that I go through stuff so slowly. You're not into it obsessively like we are. You don't have a list? I mean, I am, but it takes me a long time to absorb an elbow. You know what I mean? So let me try and think here. Last year, it was probably some Wolfheart. Oh, I really...

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Last year, the past couple of years have been such a blur, too. Well, then just, you know, whatever pops into your head doesn't have to be last year, just, you know, recent times. Yeah, whatever, like, the past couple of years has just been kind of condensed into, like, nothingness, you know what I mean? Yeah. Wilderness with two Vs. Yep, yep. Okay. Well, I don't think any Thross and Black came out.

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I don't know if that was last year or the year before. Unleash the Archers. I love Unleash the Archers. Especially the last record. Some Blazing Stone. Oh wow. Running Wild Worship. Yeah yeah for sure. I mean they kind of borderline like almost start to cross that hey are they just kind of ripping Running Wild off.

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or, you know, but no.

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I think it's more of an homage than a rip-off, but.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Bloody Hammers.

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Oh, yeah.

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That was a good one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm trying to remember.

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Did that newest Gate Creeper come out last year?

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Yeah, I think there was one last year.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Was it the year before?

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Well, there was an EP, and then.

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came out last year and then there was an album before that okay just um while you're thinking and because you said sauce and blood i just needed george i put a tweet or tweet a text in the text thing and i really want you to share that with joel i heard the story in npr the other day about this couple in maine that has spent the last 20 years collecting lost sea shanties and doing like researching until they could find the melodies to lyrics that they were missing and stuff and i know joel would love this dude josh and i were just

00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.760
talking about a similar thing before we started recording.

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When I went to see Joel up in Canada there in 2018, he asked, he gave me a copy.

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He ripped a digital copy of this, uh, burned CD.

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Wasn't, there's nothing written on it.

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So he didn't know what it was.

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And he's like, this was in the woods of V pray touring van.

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And I want to know what it is.

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Cause it's a pretty cool band.

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Can you figure it out?

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Cause you're, you know, you're the pod father.

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And I was like, let me see what I can do. This was four years ago. And I tried every trick in my book and I could not figure out who this band was. And so I posted a clip of one of the songs up on this. It's called What Zat Song. And because the beginning had a movie clip from that There Will Be Blood with, what's his name? Daniel Day-Lewis. Daniel Day-Lewis, like ranting something. And I was, I thought,

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I thought that might, you know, stir somebody's milkshake. I drink it up. Yeah. No, he's like something about you're a false prophet. Oh, yeah, that's a fucked up scene. But in any case, but please continue. So I posted this and promptly forgot about it. Four years later, last week, I get an email and it says somebody has responded to your post. I was like, oh, yeah. And fuck if they didn't tell me exactly the band on the album that who this was. And it was a band called Exit Strategy from Calgary.

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Okay. So feeling all proud of myself. I'm like better late than never, Joel. This is the band and the album. They're from Calgary. And he was like, holy shit. I was kind of hoping he would have been, oh yeah, I found out like three years ago. No, but no, but he, so, well, so the thing is that exit strategy was fronted by the current front woman of mares of thrace.

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Okay. And, and Joel was like, Oh, okay. That makes sense. Cause David gold was kind of dating this, this girl from Calgary. And she was in that band mares of thrace. And so we were like, Holy shit. You know, this was in the woods of you pray van because David gold was dating the singer of the band. Well, and Ray was, Ray was the drummer for mares of thrace for a little while. Right. But that was after David had done it.

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I already died. It was like 2013 or something like that. Well, just to kind of make sure I drive my point home, though, please share that with him because this was just a short but very interesting story about this couple in Maine who has a folk band and does just Sea Shanties and just released a book of like 100 lost Sea Shanties with stories behind it and everything. It's so far up. Joe's alley is ridiculous. Joe's alley. And it's really lost stuff. So I think it's going to be a lot of stuff he doesn't know. Sweet. Yeah.

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I'll send it to them. Didn't Marys and Thrice just release an album too? They did. They did like in the last couple of weeks, month. Yeah. They're still just a two keys, right? It's just a... When I looked them up, they were, yeah. And they were both in that band, in that Exist Strategy band. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, good. Did you Shazam at all? Did you play it and like try to Shazam off your phone? I did try it and it was like, the fuck? You know, it was too... But it's on Bandcamp. If you want to look it up, it's...

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The Band is called Exit Strategy, and the album is The Apostates Creed. The song in question was Antitheist. And it's actually a pretty good album. I was thinking about picking it up. Anyway, all right. Green Lung? Has anybody listened?

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Yeah, that's like Doom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, kind of. Stoner-y. Yeah, Black Harvest came out in 2021. I really, really dug that album a lot. But anyway, continue. So are there any albums you're looking forward to this year that you know are coming out? Not that I can think of. Right off the top of my head. Who was it that

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Who was it that we were just talking about earlier that before that we said there was a new album coming out? I can't remember. Yeah, we're old and shit. Yeah, it happened like a whole like hour ago. It was like not even so. So, um, well, when I'm editing, I'll figure it out and I'll be like, yeah, that one. Well, it's just, I mean, that's, that's another consequence of just the sheer volume of stuff that comes out. Right. Yeah.

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I mean, they're just so much, you know, so it's hard to stay on time. I mean, I'm pretty much excited for anything and everything from, you know, I mean, Creator. I mean, their new one's coming out pretty soon, right? Yep. June, I think. Yeah, soon-ish. But that comes along the lines of what you were just saying, George, was that those advanced tracks have come out so far before the record. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking finished. I mean, what the hell. But in any case, I have

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I thought both of those lead tracks were pretty good. The one they just put out was better than the first one I thought. I thought it was the other way around. Did you? Okay, fair enough. I kind of like the video for it too. We'll come back to that one. Creator's one of those bands that I'm just, they just, it's amazing that they're still just putting out such high quality stuff. You know, them, Overkill, like there's so many bands that have been around for so long that still put out solid stuff. It's so awesome.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a sugar. Just put on. Now I'm pretty good too. They're kind of like tool. Don't they put one out? I've always been anti-meshuggah. No, they're, they're a lot more active than tool is. Yeah. I just think they haven't done anything in a while though, I think, but they were putting out an album every couple of years there for a while. All right. Uh, sorry. Where am I?

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All right. I told you this question ahead of time. Hopefully you thought about it. What are three albums that would help people better understand you as a person? Yeah, I did think about it a little bit. Let's see. They would have to be better understand me as a person. It's kind of an interesting question. It would have to be.

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Man.

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I mean, it would have to be at least one of them would have to be a Manowar album.

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When you said Man, I was going to go, a war?

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Because yeah, it's got to be.

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I mean, it's just, you know, I know, you know, Manowar is what they are, but you know, it's just, they're just such a, it would have to be a Manowar album, a Fate's Warring album, and a, and an Omen album.

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Wow.

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I don't know if I could pick exactly which albums right at this moment, but probably The Curse, Awaken the Guardian. Of course. And Man. A War. Yeah. Kings of Metal. Kings of Metal. All right. That's fair. Yeah. I probably would have gone Fighting the World because that was my first one. Yeah. And you know, and that had Black

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Blackman, Fire and Steel, and it blew my mind. George, not Josh. Remind me again, who told you about Manowar? That would be George. Yes, for sure. But my first album was Kings of Metal. But it just, I mean, those three albums were just so formative of, I mean, you know, not only my teenage years, but of my metal experience. I mean, and those,

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Those types of old school albums are still where my truest of true metal loves lie. I mean, I love all metal, but those are the ones that, you know, it's that whole period of time, you know, classic omen, you know. Like we're saying, those are the ones you probably remember all the song titles. Yes. Maybe the lyrics and all that. And nowadays it's a lot harder. Yep. Yep. For sure. Just because it's just sheer volume, if nothing else, you know, I mean,

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There's just so much stuff that comes out. My brain is full. Yeah. That's why I keep a running list because we do the top 25 or top 40, depending. Oh, yeah. Just have to keep a running list of all that stuff because I'll never, I don't know if I can go back through and sift through everything else again. I just go through my music drive and sort it by date and I just go backwards down to January and see what, you know, I mean, obviously sometimes there's stuff that's old in there, but at least

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I know everything that I've had throughout the year and I can consider it. But I am this year trying to keep a running list. I do have something going. I just use MusicBee and it has a massive tag function and I can create virtual tags and there's blank tags. You can create whatever you want. And I just actually put the dates in on the tags and then I just actually use it as a column in my, you know, I have all my music sorted so I can sort by date within it.

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I don't have to do anything after that. So that for that specific reason, because it gets towards the end of the month and I'm like, so albums qualify this month, you know, and I have to go and I have to highlight the days when they were released. So I remember what, what actually qualifies because there's nothing worse than saying. I'm going to go with this one that came out in January. Fuck. You just said massive tag. And that made me remember that Will's not here.

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Hi, Will.

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I would have to try and maybe squeeze Thrasenblatt Medicophonia in there somehow.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because that one's like probably amongst my top 10 of all time for sure.

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Absolutely.

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And for me, Winds of Vipra as well.

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Does anybody else have any questions for Josh?

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I got one quick one.

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Is there anything you would like to tell us about George that George would not like you to tell us? Oh, man. That's within reason, of course. You can say whatever you want, and you can embarrass me if you want. There was this one time at band camp. There was a story that I was going to relate. There's not a great segue to it, but I was talking with some of my coworkers, come to find out,

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One of the guys is into all the same metal, into death metal, all sorts of crazy stuff. We kind of got going about stuff. And do you remember when we went and saw Type O Negative at the Capitol Theater? Oh, that was the greatest. Okay. In the lobby of the theater? Yes. Yes. So we go, we're going to go see Type O Negative, Life of Agony. One of the opening bands was the Hell's Elves.

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Is that what it was? I've been trying to remember who they were. The Hell's Elves and then another band that I can't remember the name of right off the top of my head. I thought it was like Blind Something. Yeah, Blind Addiction. Blind Addiction. Oh, nice. And so it wasn't in the theater. It was in the lobby. Like we get there and we're like, okay, like let's we're going to go into the theater now, right? Nope. Nope. In the lobby of the theater. And it's like a movie theater lobby. There's like a, you know,

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a concession stand set up behind him.

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Yes.

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And the stage was about two feet tall.

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Yeah.

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And so, I mean, one of the cool things was that, you know, we were like just standing right next to Peter and, you know, a typo negative and life of agony and all that, which was very cool.

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And the reason that I was talking to my coworkers about it is because it was April 2nd when we saw that.

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Oh, man.

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And on the way home.

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Okay.

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Okay, so George is, okay, he used to not be a particularly big fan of driving. Okay, he used to hate driving. And it was snowing. And what possessed him to offer to drive us up to Flint, Michigan, which is scary. Good for water, though. Good place for water. Yeah, oh yeah, a great place for water. And bullets. What possessed him to offer to drive is beyond me. So then, you know, it's April 2nd, right?

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On our way home, we get hit by a blizzard. It is a white-out blizzard. And George is white-knuckled. He is like, he won't even talk. I keep trying to talk to him. No response at all. He only hates driving. It was like the warp speed in Star Wars. When the Falcon goes to warp speed, that's what the snow looked like coming at me. Yeah. Oh, it was a white-out blizzard. At night.

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And George was just his hands. I mean, he had to pry his hands off of that steering wheel when we got done. But yeah, I don't know why of all the times that you wanted to drive all the way up there. But yeah. Type-O, man. It's like, I'm killing myself and I'm taking you with me. I mean, that was the Bloody Kisses tour. You know, that was when Pete was like, wrote four notes and made a million dollars. Next time I'm going to write

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember he started, he was like, between songs, he was like, how many of you fuckers came and saw us? You know, when they played at Harpo's or something, and some people were like, yeah, and he was like, I thought you would have learned your lesson. What the hell? And then, remember, halfway through the concert, a couple of the guys from Life of Agony came out and started just like, just like jumping off the stage and just being complete, like completely

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It was a very strange, very strange thing. We saw Life of Agony again. Yeah. And we met Joey. Yeah. It was KMFDM at the State Theater. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. How was that? Vontom was at that one. Yeah, yeah. He came over and talked to us at our table. Yeah. I've even, I've got the signed. How did I get it signed? Because he came over. But why would I?

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Why would I have brought it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm pretty sure my River Runs Red is signed by Joey Z. Sure they were selling it at the merch booth? No, no. I mean, he did it. We were sitting at the table. I think KMFDM was up there. I was wearing Life of Agony had put out like a hockey jersey and I was wearing it. And I was sitting there watching the show and somebody like claps me on the back and I turn around and it's Joey Z. And he was like,

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It came in. I just wanted to come over and say thanks for supporting the band. It was crazy. I don't know what possessed him to do that, but it was awesome. It was totally nice. Josh, I'm going to add to your memories here, because I've done a little research while we've been talking, because I wanted to find out who the opener for your ACDC show was. Oh, really? Really? Okay. But this might have to do with the faultiness of memory, and it is that when they played,

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And Detroit for Those About to Rock, it was Kobo Arena. And then it was Flick of the Switch for Joe Louis. So which one do you think it was? Because you have two very different openers. Yeah, it was Kobo. So it was Those About to Rock, for sure. Okay, well, it was Midnight Flyer, which is very forgettable. So I don't know who the fuck even Midnight Flyer is, but that was just your opening band. Now, the following year, and I'm just going to say this because I think John will appreciate this and George.

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was the flick of the switch

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tour, which was that Joe Lewis opened

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by Fastway.

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Nice.

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That would have been 83 for sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But the, yeah, Midnight Flyer.

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No idea.

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Never heard of it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I got nothing.

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I like the name though.

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Yeah.

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It was, it was, it was for, for those

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who bought to rock because they

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have the cannons.

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That was my first cassette.

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You know, it was that album.

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I still think that's probably their hardest record too in my mind. I think it's the heaviest ACDC record. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. More than Power Age? I think it's a heavier sounding record. I think it's produced super loud. It's got their heaviest songs like Inject the Power. Oh, well, yeah, those two albums. Back in Black and that one definitely, well, Highway to Hell also sounds a lot different than any other stuff too. Those three, the production value definitely was different.

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all the muttlang ones too. Yeah, no doubt. They sound bigger. Yeah. Did he do, did he do flick of the switch too? I think he did, which doesn't sound as big as those ones, but which is actually a pretty good record. That's kind of a lost ACDC record. I think that record. I think so because. Doesn't get the love it should do. I mean, well, the next two albums, I mean, it's like, how do you, how do you follow up back in black? Yeah, you're right. Whether you like it or not, you know, it's, how do you follow something up like that? Where is, is that a, is that now?

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I'm still in the top 10 all-time sellers worldwide it's gonna be top five I bet I'll look yeah it's always I mean every high school kid in fucking Tennessee buys that every year you know what I mean I heard a I heard a an interesting comment I was watching uh quick speaking of selling albums let's just take a second uh I know Jay knows this uh channel I know George has checked it out maybe before but this channel called see tranquility this guy Pete Pardo has got this YouTube channel that's just

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It's been blowing up because they do like 400 videos a week on there. And he does one every Friday with Martin Popoff. And he's a rock writer for many years. And anyway, they were doing their top 10 favorite bands of all time. And Led Zeppelin came up in the conversation. And Martin made a comment. He said, I think it was him. Maybe it was Pete. I can't remember. But if you go onto Wikipedia and look at Led Zeppelin's discography, and you look at the record sales, every single album is diamond status.

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I'm like what that's insane I went and looked

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and every single record of theirs is diamond status I don't even know diamond was that 10 million

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yeah it's just insane so I just thought of that because we were talking about back in black here and

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that's a definite diamond status album yeah it's a double diamond okay so according to the website I'm

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looking at which is business insider of all things back in black is the number four best-selling

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record of all time. How many? Currently 25 million units in this article is dated 2021. What is up in four there? That's the one that blew my mind. Let's run down a few actually. I bet you probably can guess number one because it's a really weird one but it's been number one for a long fucking time. It's not a metal record. Well there was thrillers up there.

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The Greatest Hits, the first one. Yeah, it's Greatest Hits. And then the White Album, weirdly. Zeppelin 4 is number 7. That's two times diamond. That's 24 times platinum. That's insane. Correct, correct. Which Greatest Hits was it? Eagles? Eagles' first one. Eagles' first one, yeah. I'll just kind of throw some more out here just so you can hear them. There's a couple of oddballs like Garth Brooks and stuff, but The Wall is up there.

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That doesn't surprise me though. That album was just... Now I want to hold his hand. Rumors. Fleet Road with Mac Rumors. Appetite for Destruction is number 14 with 18 million. It's funny how I run into the Black Album. I thought the Black Album was way the fuck up there. Boston, People's Greatest Tits, Physical Graffiti is number 21 with 16 million units. That's... The Black Album should definitely be up there.

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Actually, it's the very next album. It's 22 at 16 million units. So it's right next to Physical Graffiti. All right, I will not shout them all out. I'm just going to page through and see if there's any more hard rock or metal. That's crazy. And those albums are still selling. That's what's still crazy about it. Oh, yeah. Honestly, if you go to iTunes, and I know that's not the be-all-in-all, but I'm looking at the top 10, like most recently, like that was mostly Metallica, you know? For all the new shit that comes out, people are still apparently buying Metallica more than anything else.

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Well, they keep re-releasing it. I mean, they just released the black. Well, I think the, yeah, and the vinyl craze, you know, I was ranting a little bit last time about the Adele effect. I think that Metallica's benefiting from that maybe a little bit too right now, but they're vinyl. I'm sure they are. So in the top, so this is the top 50 list, and in the top 50 list were three Zeppelin records, which I think is more than any other artist. So I told you it was Physical Graffiti in four. Can you guess what the, and it's number 50?

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Can you guess what the last Zeppelin selection is in the top selling of all time? It's either two or Houses of Holy. You got it right. I just got a zero in. I would imagine it's two only because of a lot of love. Nicely done. Yeah. Two it is. Yeah. Nice. All right then. I was hoping Matt would be here by now but apparently not. So,

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So let's move on to t-shirt and beer check or t-shirt and whatever you're drinking check. Josh, what are you wearing? What are you drinking? I'm wearing a Mount of Marth and I am drinking monkey shoulder and Isla scotch. Nice. Mark is on. Yeah, I'm wearing a Wayfair shirt. It's like a pile of dude out of pile of bodies.

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Yeah. Pretty cool. Can't go wrong with a pile of bodies. And I just finished, I'm drinking beers from a place called the Hop Butcher, which is, I believe it's in Evanston, actually, where I used to live. And the first one I had is called the Taffy Pull, and it's a citra hopped saltwater taffy IPA brewed with sea salt and vanilla. And I wasn't sure, Tracy brought me this, I guess, apparently the Hop Butcher,

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is friends with people at her work and just brings them cases of beer. She's probably this. I was like, I don't know about this, but I got to try it. It was actually quite delicious. Nice. And now I'm drinking pretty apt actually, considering what we were talking about, because it's called Blizzard of 67. So Blizzard and also really old. It's got Citra. It's a triple IPA. Citra, Mosaic, Eldorado, and

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I don't even think I've ever heard of that hop before. 10% though. So pretty good. All right, Matt. What? You're not here yet? Okay. Well, then I guess, John. Matt's beers were pitchy. I know. I think I've cycled through shirts before. Oh, no, it's just another Oba shirt. Yeah. Although I think I may have worn this. I think it's the, they did a crew shirt when,

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COVID first started. I think they sold shirts to give the money to their crew. I've got like, I don't know how many, 50 are these shirts. Not this particular one. So my first beer was something called 40 Mile IPA from Three Notched Brewing Company. They're from Charlottesville in Virginia. I was joking earlier, it says, leave your mark on the can. I was like, I don't know what mark I'm going to leave, but I'll drink the beer instead. And then I started my second one.

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Actually, I think I'm drinking Jen's mom's beer that Jen left in the fridge for her because she likes red or amber ales, but I'm just like, I got nothing and I got to drink something tonight, so she's not here. So this is from Adventure Brewing, which is down there. Her area, Fredericksburg in Virginia, and this is called Fred Red. I don't normally drink Irish Red ales. I don't have anything against them. I just don't drink them that often. Red beers give me a headache for some reason.

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Why don't you have any beer in the house? Oh, I've been cleaning out my fridge. Ah, okay. Big time. Yeah. I just drank two beers from 2015, a Parabola from Firestone Walker and a Deschutes Abyss from 2015. So I'm clearing out stuff to make room for all new beers. And plus, Marcason, I didn't go to the beer store today because I was busy watching a new, one of those Death

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game shows from Japan on Netflix. You know, like Squid Game, but it's a new one. You were binging it, John? Yeah, Alice in Borderlands. I was watching that today. Oh, man. I haven't even watched the Squid one yet. Miraculously, very good at the overdubs in terms of matching the text of what they're saying with their movement of their mouth. Because sometimes you watch some films, you're like, I can't do this.

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because it's so off, but it's actually pretty good. I couldn't do Squid Game for that reason. I started and I was like, nah. Just read some subtitles. I'm trying to remember, did Squid Game have subtitles? I'm sure. Jay, that was one of the better shows I've seen in a long time. As a fan of old 70s, going again back to the way back machine of old 70s kung fu films, I'm going to go ahead and say that that was a masterpiece of matching voice and movement. Fair enough.

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Low bar there, but all right. Anyone who's watched the movie Kung Pao, there's what I'm talking about. Oh, Kung Pao is a classic. Okay. So as usual, I'm kind of holding on to mine till later because I've got a thing going on later tonight. But I still want to at least share something because there was this much. I tend not to put much on tapped anymore because I usually just buy the same fucking two six packs, you know, like I get two. So I like to have two different things in the house. But anyway,

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My favorite beer started to disappear. I was like, what the fuck? I can't find this fucking thing. And they have a bunch of different versions of this, but the one that I like is just the straight up garden variety one. And then I found out why it disappeared because it came back and they totally redesigned both the packaging and the flavor. And it's even better than before. It's my fucking go-to right here. It's 21st Amendment. It's called Brew Free or Die. This is my favorite everyday beer. So I can't stress enough to guess I've tried that. What did they change on this one, Jay?

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I don't know if it just says new taste like literally I don't know if they use different hops or something but it's actually they steered it a little closer to and I don't know if this was on purpose but they steered a little closer to something like Pliny nice it was very good before dude like I love it was just the one it's a solid beer I like it I've had it before it's a little slightly more bitter in a very nice kind of way now can you see through it yeah oh yeah yeah I don't

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I couldn't be happier because I thought my favorite beer was going away. It survived and came back stronger. And then the other one I have in the house right now is Racer 5. I've been pretty boring lately. I'm just buying California. Racer 5 though, man. That's been around for like eons. So the way it works around here is every night around like six o'clock, I put three in the freezer. 21st Amendment and Racer 5.

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That's my ritual. I find there's a lot of breweries who are changing their packaging. One of my favorite beers ever, the Sump. It used to come out in bottles, and they don't make it in bottles anymore. They put it in cans. I was in this place called the Beer Temple and came across and I'm like, is this the Sump I know? I went and asked the guy at the front. I was like, what happened to the bottles? They don't do them anymore.

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Because they can sell more now. That's why. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what I saw. Maybe I might have been some Epic stuff in cans before I hadn't seen. I think Epic has put in some things in cans now that they weren't necessarily doing before. It's just cheaper for them to do it too. But you can actually go from 24 point what eight ounces on a bomber to now four 16 ounce cans of it and you can charge twice as much. You know, guess what? It was in a two pack, I think.

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Was it too? Okay. Yeah. But just to finish up here, I probably wear this too much, I think, but this is my Melissa long sleep shirt. And just a quick report to you, John. I can see your car in the background there. I haven't got my 2112 or I haven't got my moving pictures yet. I assume any day now, but John got his box set. Could you hold it closer to the camera? And is that actually made out of metal? No. It's plastic. It's plastic. Yeah.

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I assume that's what one looks like. Well, no, this is actually a Volkswagen. Is that true? Why would they get it? It's a VW van. I mean, come on. Everyone looked at me like, really? Real quick, in the moving pictures, Russia's moving pictures, 40th anniversary box, that's a little late because of COVID. They put a

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a little red bar shed a car in there if you bought like the mega super gouge you for

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everything you got box which i've bought all the other boxes from that period and i wasn't not

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gonna not get this one so and plus jen was like why are you not getting it i was like that's all i needed to hear

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so and i got it guilt-free and oh mark is on when you see the box it's fucking huge i'll get it here in a second i mean it's like it's like this wide it's huge

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Really? Sounds like a good box for a cat. And so for now, I don't know how many days we are in counting, but when I receive mine, we'll know exactly how many days closer to the distributor, John. I just haven't got my dad. John said it's a few days, but he also ordered his for me. That is huge. Speaking of gougie for everything you own packages, Josh, did you see the sentenced vinyl box set? Oh, yeah. It's a big boy.

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book box that you get you're like you're like 50 pounds it's huge yeah it's

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something like 10 12 albums or something it's a good it's a good thing i haven't seen it

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because i'm a total totally a sucker for things like that man i i will drop money like that

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wait did george did you get it yeah i did but it doesn't come out until august uh gotcha yeah it's

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crazy how much is in this thing so that's huge yeah i mean it's got even like you know the

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Aside from the early stuff, it's got the, I think it's got the trooper and it's got the, like the really, really old stuff, like before they were sentenced or something. You know, I forget what it's called. Oh, you did get that. I told you about that. Yeah. Yeah. John told me about it. I was like, what? Yeah. It's like $300 or something. Did I send you the boner alert thing first? I was like, boner alert. Yeah. He was just like, what? That's a good thing for Georgia. Cause he stopped buying vinyl. Most of them.

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I still buy from my friends bands.

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You know,

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I bought a Borea from Trevor and,

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and that's a special set though.

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Yeah.

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Those are special sets.

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And that,

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you know,

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that's why,

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by the way,

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I'm so excited to receive this rush one.

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Cause we've talked about that tactile sense that spending an evening with something.

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And I do that with my box sets.

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I'll pull out my van and box set and just fucking sit there and listen to three records in a row and page through the book and look at all the shit.

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So I can't wait to get the moving pictures.

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The Jay Art book with a boatload of pictures from the tour. Wow. He's a beaut, man. I can't wait. And that's, that's, I'll literally set up an afternoon to just look at that book and listen to the record and the live record, which I can't wait to hear. So I've heard a fair amount now. It's insane. Anyway, sorry, George. No worries. It's not like we're a short form podcast. And we're still on the time crunch. We're doing all right. Yeah, we're doing fine. Hey, it's before nine o'clock. So we can't say

01:16:36.120 --> 01:17:06.080
We're all happy now. Exactly. Oh, wait, I didn't do mine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry for it. I took too much time. I was going to move on. I'm wearing my Decibel Death to False Beer Fest shirt because while I have a million shirts, I only rotate through about six. Pretty much. Pretty much. And started with Brimming Horns Eucalyptus Blossom Traditional Mead. Nice. And moved on to

01:17:07.300 --> 01:17:34.240
Josh can appreciate why I buy beer from this brewery. It is Nepente Brewing. Oh, nice. And they're local-ish, like Baltimore, I think. And every time I go in there, they have a completely different IPA of some kind. It's like they must just do short batches and then move on to something else. And this is a Cosmic Dubba Beep Weepa.

01:17:36.120 --> 01:18:06.040
Double IPA. Double. That's pretty good. I got that. Yeah. That's nice. And it's tasty. And after that, we'll probably be seeing some Cigar City High L.I. because. I can't go wrong with that. Yeah. I picked some of that up in Delaware. Can't go wrong with that. A couple weeks ago. And it was so good. Had to get some more. And I was just like, hey, my local place actually has it. So. All right. Really quick.

01:18:06.120 --> 01:18:11.480
George sorry do you want to hear something so so Jay you you were talking about licorice pizza earlier right

01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:23.800
yeah Paul Tom Sanderson thing yeah yeah yeah so I I opened Google I typed in LIC and it popped up licorice pizza they're data mining the shit out of us right about now

01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:32.040
just terrifying just here it is terrifying I can't tell you how many times I'm saying we talked about this on the show

01:18:32.060 --> 01:18:56.520
I'll say something. I'll be talking to somebody else. I'm like, now why is this in my Facebook feed? But you know, Josh, if you had typed L-I-C-K, it would have been completely different. Pictures of Will. All right, moving on to the news.

01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:32.020
First news item is, uh, it's not exactly metal, but I, you know, I was a fan of the Foo Fighters still am. I don't know if they're going to be around anymore, but Taylor Hawkins died recently. Um, that was a bit of a shock, bit of a bummer. Um, I don't know if they released an official cause of death, but they did mention some of the stuff that was in him. Uh, he had, he had like, he had a

01:19:32.040 --> 01:19:59.500
He had antidepressants, he had Xanax, he had an opioid, which was, I'm guessing either fentanyl or oxy. I said 10 substances. So that's probably the reason he's dead. But I'm guessing that it was probably the opioid that did it. I mean, the rest of those aren't going to kill you. Well, together though, I mean, it's like a perfect storm, you know?

01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:32.020
It's scary. The thing that brings me out is that I've never been a huge Foo Fighters fan, but the thing that sucks is that after he passed, I watched a bunch of videos. I had no idea how he's a great singer. I'm sorry. He was a great singer. The Somebody to Love thing is really good. Yeah. The thing where he apparently would sing the Queen track. Yeah. Not unlike you, I didn't pay that much attention, but I'm...

01:20:32.060 --> 01:21:01.800
I looked at some people's tributes and things. Yeah. By the way, that's a badass Lord of the Rings class there. It's a one ring. So George, you like them. I mean, would you say they're one of the few actually well-known popular rock bands? Yeah. There's not many anymore. For years, I've said that Foo Fighters is the last bastion of rock music because they're one of the only bands that still get played on the radio and show up on the Grammy.

01:21:02.280 --> 01:21:05.000
and stuff like that.

01:21:05.140 --> 01:21:06.820
Because there's just not rock bands anymore.

01:21:07.020 --> 01:21:07.840
It's like there's metal.

01:21:09.100 --> 01:21:12.140
And then there's hip hop and pop and country.

01:21:13.060 --> 01:21:14.280
But there's not a whole lot of rock.

01:21:14.290 --> 01:21:18.700
I mean, Jack White is probably one of the other people that still does rock music.

01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:22.200
And I don't know.

01:21:22.210 --> 01:21:26.040
I mean, there's like singer songwriter-y people that are like a little more fluffy.

01:21:26.040 --> 01:21:27.040
There's alternative rock bands out there.

01:21:27.660 --> 01:21:31.760
Well, I mean, there's bands like who gives a shit like Slipknot,

01:21:31.800 --> 01:22:01.260
Sevenfold, five-fingered dick punch. Stuff that nobody cares about. There's not many at all. Normal rock band. Right. There's no Bruce Springsteen's or Tom Petty's or even an ACDC or something, you know? Another tragedy to Fentanyl, man. I mean, it's just whatever. It is what it is, man.

01:22:01.780 --> 01:22:02.700
I mean, there's Pearl Jam.

01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:04.700
I mean, they bring huge crowds.

01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:05.180
Right, right.

01:22:05.220 --> 01:22:06.780
But they're, you know, they're grandfathered.

01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.260
And I'm talking about like new acts in the last 20 years.

01:22:10.220 --> 01:22:12.040
Well, I think Foo Fighters remain relevant.

01:22:12.220 --> 01:22:13.040
I think that's the thing.

01:22:13.180 --> 01:22:14.860
Like, they're always in the public consciousness.

01:22:15.240 --> 01:22:15.680
Right, right.

01:22:16.020 --> 01:22:17.300
Even though they've been around so long.

01:22:17.420 --> 01:22:17.980
You're right.

01:22:18.160 --> 01:22:19.340
There's not any bands like that.

01:22:19.500 --> 01:22:20.340
That was the point I was getting to.

01:22:20.420 --> 01:22:21.100
I mean, that's the last.

01:22:21.620 --> 01:22:23.300
I mean, I saw, I'm not even a fan.

01:22:23.400 --> 01:22:25.480
I had their first album and I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

01:22:26.040 --> 01:22:28.360
But I watched their show at Wembley.

01:22:28.860 --> 01:22:29.000
Yeah.

01:22:29.480 --> 01:22:30.180
I was like, fuck.

01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:31.220
That's exciting.

01:22:31.600 --> 01:23:01.580
Yeah. These guys are badass. I have said before, when The Shape and the Color came out, I listened to that a lot. I actually really liked that record a lot. It was a lot better than the first one. My Hero and all that stuff is other. You know, an interesting part of this conversation, too, and I'm not, I don't want to kind of like, you know, play guessy-guessy with somebody's future, but I do wonder, will they wrap it up? You know, Dave Grohl is a real historian of rock music, and I could see

01:23:01.620 --> 01:23:31.220
him thinking, you know, we gotta do the Zeppelin thing here. Yeah. Especially because this guy was like a huge part of the personality. He wasn't a founding member, but he was definitely a big part of the personality. Yeah. And he was like Dave's best friend, and he was the guy who was chosen to play drums. The reason he wasn't a founding member was because Dave played everything in the first two records. Right. But, yeah, it's sad. It's sad, and I agree with you. They are like this kind of very visible, huge presence, really.

01:23:31.240 --> 01:24:00.300
I mean, they're very, very successful. I wonder if they're going to, and I feel terrible for him partially because, I mean, the irony being that, you know, he was the drummer in a band where the front man died. And now he's the front man in a band where the drummer died. Both of them very successful. Yeah. You know, I feel like they might carry on just because if they don't carry on, they still probably want to play together. I mean, you know, Pat and the other guys, and it would be dumb to just sort of change the name.

01:24:01.260 --> 01:24:02.480
and still play with these guys.

01:24:03.010 --> 01:24:06.800
So maybe they'll just make Dream Widow be their main thing.

01:24:07.060 --> 01:24:07.180
Yeah.

01:24:08.050 --> 01:24:08.740
Did you listen to that?

01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:10.500
What's that?

01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:11.620
Did you listen to Dream Widow?

01:24:12.220 --> 01:24:12.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:13.080 --> 01:24:13.860
It's not bad.

01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:15.620
You know, I thought it was all right.

01:24:15.740 --> 01:24:16.640
Yeah, it's pretty good.

01:24:16.730 --> 01:24:19.180
I mean, Dave was calling it black metal.

01:24:19.460 --> 01:24:21.720
It's not black metal by any stretch of the definition.

01:24:23.080 --> 01:24:23.200
No.

01:24:24.180 --> 01:24:27.660
It's basically kind of sort of the soundtrack for that movie that they did, right?

01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.640
Right, which I really want to see now.

01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:30.700
Yeah.

01:24:31.520 --> 01:25:01.060
That's in the theater. It's in the theater. It's not digital yet. It is on digital. It's not really the soundtrack. It's like there's the band in there and one of them kills everybody. And this is the album, the last album that they put out. They're making this record in the movie, but there are a lot of cool people like Cary King is in it. Yeah. That's the only one I can think of right now, but there are some other like famous metal guys in it and stuff. And so it's probably worth watching just for that reason. And I watched the trailer and some

01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:30.680
scenes on YouTube. It was funny. I see what they were doing. I'm okay with it. I'll probably watch it. Did you see Metal Lords? I keep hearing mixed reviews about it. Will loved it. From my metal friends. I have metal friends who are telling me, yeah, and some of them are like, fuck that. I don't know. I'm mixed because it wasn't all that great a movie, but it was contextually pleasing.

01:25:31.080 --> 01:26:01.060
and that it was like metal themed and you know the guy's room was like covered in stuff and you know any any movie that prominently features artwork from goblin cock you can't go wrong what is everyone expecting it's just it's just it's just a film about kids that are coming of age and like metal and if you're looking for a you know oscar worthy film

01:26:01.100 --> 01:26:31.060
Okay, I don't think it's that, John. I think it's that some movies get metal so wrong. Even if they just sort of grab the wrong bands and put them next to each other in the street. It's like stuff that really can rub you the wrong way. If people are complaining about that from that film, then they got nothing better to do because I watched it. I don't know if they are. I would have expected a little more humor like some of the other metal movies. What's the one where the guys

01:26:31.100 --> 01:27:00.820
Is it trying to get to the gig? Oh, yeah, I guess. I think that's actually black metal. I think it's called the fuck's that called? Anyway, Deathgasm is the one as far as we can say. No, but the other one where the guys are. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's called. I'll look it up. You know, I was thinking it would be a little more over the top and it was really just, yeah, like a coming to me age movie that just happened to have a heavy metal theme to it. I mean, I'm not that swayed. I mean, obviously,

01:27:01.080 --> 01:27:31.060
I love metal but I watched the trailer and it just didn't look very good to me that's why I haven't watched it but because there's metal in it I'm like I'm a little bit intrigued it was entertaining it was worth the time okay so that's we're in the age of COVID though which and I know that's things are kind of much more open now but binging has become a thing so I'm just gonna take two seconds to tell you guys two series I watched recently that I fucking loved and you should watch them both one is our flag means death if you guys haven't watched that yet you guys must know that right well could I go what's ET it's about pirates

01:27:32.140 --> 01:27:59.980
Well, you had me at his name. I can't say his name, but I love that dude. Oh, fuck. You guys got to watch Our Flag Meets Death. I think that was on HBO Max. And then another one I just finished watching called Minx. And Minx is about the first adult male magazine. But it's just totally irreverent and funny and full of nudity and hilarity and stuff. I can't recommend it. Bunch of dicks. I heard about that one. There are dicks in it, yeah. Great. Well, I'll go over to Will's house to watch that.

01:28:01.080 --> 01:28:30.160
We are not showing. Come on. Nobody knows that because we don't put the video out, John. For all they know, we're just talking Johnson's right now. Yeah. Spend your time on you porn. Don't spend your time on our station. Hey, I'll ask this for real quick. Anyone watch the Julia show yet? No. I'm interested.

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:59.780
I think it's it's it's fun it's good it's about 80% bullshit but still it's they they inject stuff into the show that they didn't need to do and they make up characters and things she says that she never said and I'm like Hollywood strengths again but it's still you really know you're Julia Childs well you know it's funny John no I mean I get it is watch it and you're like holy shit I think I've actually watched this when I was a kid you know when it was on yeah

01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:29.700
Yes. Did you watch the... Hello, and welcome to the Metalheads podcast. And you know where she's from? She's born in Southern California. God, you should see if somebody does an impersonation of her, and we can get that on the cast, George. Oh, the woman who does her does a pretty good job. There was that movie a few years ago where Meryl Streep played her. Yeah. Which was actually pretty good, too. And this looked very similar to me, so that's the only reason I watched it. But I love it. It's just... There's so much shit on TV now. I watch more stuff now.

01:29:29.780 --> 01:29:31.640
I never would have watched before just because

01:29:32.260 --> 01:29:33.940
there's a boatload of stuff to watch.

01:29:34.380 --> 01:29:35.420
And baseball's better.

01:29:35.860 --> 01:29:38.040
See, Josh, we go down all kinds of rabbit holes.

01:29:39.900 --> 01:29:41.740
Man, I've got it way back on television.

01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.520
Hey, man, if you want, we can do Keeper Sutherland Part 2.

01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:48.400
We've done Keeper.

01:29:50.140 --> 01:29:52.240
Let's move on to the next news item,

01:29:53.020 --> 01:29:54.100
which I thought was interesting,

01:29:54.260 --> 01:29:58.000
is that a Cliff Burton Museum is opening in Sweden next month.

01:29:58.760 --> 01:29:59.160
Nice.

01:29:59.660 --> 01:30:29.400
I'm like thanks. San Francisco, right? If you'd salted your fucking roads, we wouldn't have to be doing this, but okay. Where is it? I know it's the Sweden, but is it in Stockholm? I don't know. I didn't recognize. I think it was nearby where the accident happened. Yeah, it's like a memorial stone where they're in a crash site. People keep visiting it there. So that's why they started to open this museum because people would go to pay their respects, apparently. Yeah. It's opening pretty soon.

01:30:31.420 --> 01:30:59.600
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a month. I, uh, where they were. Was it one of those moments where everybody remembers where they were when they heard? Oh yeah. I was in bed listening to metal shop. I was like, I had my headphones on, lights out, you know, like pretending to be asleep, listening to metal shop on the radio and, and, uh, metal shop announced it. And I just sat there in bed crying. I can honestly say I don't remember because that like so many other eighties things that was a delay.

01:31:01.780 --> 01:31:03.620
a week later or something.

01:31:03.770 --> 01:31:06.500
Yeah, it might have been. It was probably that long for me as well.

01:31:06.610 --> 01:31:09.660
But still, you know, you got the information when you got it.

01:31:10.420 --> 01:31:12.360
Yeah, when that stated, I can picture school.

01:31:12.370 --> 01:31:13.340
I feel like I was at school.

01:31:14.500 --> 01:31:16.360
Yeah, I was in.

01:31:16.550 --> 01:31:17.720
Do you remember Mr. Romeo?

01:31:18.100 --> 01:31:19.420
Of course, he taught me how to drive.

01:31:20.180 --> 01:31:22.020
Yeah, so he.

01:31:22.220 --> 01:31:23.720
Apparently not in a snowstorm, though.

01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:25.240
No, no, fucker.

01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:55.840
He had WRAF turned on in the morning before. So I had him for math. First class in the morning. No wonder I never learned anything about math. But he would play WRAF and they announced it on there. And I just remember just being crushed, man. Just crushed. Terrible. The ultimate metal what if. It really is, dude. We should do that. George, you were asking about round table.

01:31:55.980 --> 01:31:57.060
We should do a what if

01:31:57.420 --> 01:31:59.140
and just throw out a few topics

01:31:59.580 --> 01:32:01.560
and we could save that one for the last one.

01:32:02.220 --> 01:32:03.040
What if Cliff

01:32:03.940 --> 01:32:04.740
did die?

01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:07.540
And then we can just trash Lars for the next

01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:08.220
like 20 minutes.

01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:11.180
And you know what? Honestly,

01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:13.520
one of the first things is Lars would have got fired.

01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:15.760
That was the first thing we were going to do when they got back.

01:32:16.080 --> 01:32:17.220
Yeah, and so there's that.

01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:19.400
Well, that is a long conversation,

01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:21.780
but I do think they'd be a totally different band.

01:32:22.140 --> 01:32:22.860
Very different band.

01:32:23.660 --> 01:32:52.480
Yeah, I think it was John, wasn't it you, that I was talking to about how I read the Scott Ian interview the other day. And, you know, like brand new information that I didn't know because Anthrax was on that tour with them. And after the accident, apparently Lars went directly to his dad's house from the accident, didn't even go back to the hotel. So James and Kirk come back to the hotel where the Anthrax guys are like, what? And Scott,

01:32:52.940 --> 01:32:56.380
I can say if that's true or not. I'll be right back. Keep going.

01:32:56.550 --> 01:33:16.920
All right. And Scott spent the whole night consoling Kirk and Frankie and Charlie worked with James and took him outside and walked him around the hotel a dozen times to get him to keep from trying to kill people.

01:33:18.550 --> 01:33:19.980
That story is so telling.

01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:50.580
And I'm just like, wow, you know, because that's an angle of the story I've never heard. Like, the more you hear about anthrax, man, the more it just seems like they're like the coolest fucking guys like ever. Yeah. I want to read Frank's book. Frank's got a book out. I mean, I understand people are who they are and everybody, you know, has bad breath and has to take a shit, right? But it just, they did that whole, that whole history of anthrax series on YouTube not that long ago. And it just, I don't know, man, they just seem like they're just such

01:33:50.620 --> 01:33:53.040
a bunch of just stand-up guys. I don't know.

01:33:53.500 --> 01:34:09.360
I don't want to throw water on that fire, dude. I really don't. Except that the reason, and perhaps things changed quite quickly after this, but this has always been interesting to me. This is a very good book if you don't have it.

01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:10.340
Yeah, I have it.

01:34:10.410 --> 01:34:19.020
And it's just the full documentary. But one of the things that has always stuck out to me was it actually has a photo of them showing back at the hotel after the crash.

01:34:19.490 --> 01:34:20.260
And Lars is there.

01:34:20.280 --> 01:34:21.320
Lars is there.

01:34:22.120 --> 01:34:22.260
All right.

01:34:22.480 --> 01:34:22.560
Well,

01:34:23.200 --> 01:34:23.300
well,

01:34:23.500 --> 01:34:28.100
maybe he left directly from there to what he did five minutes later is behind me.

01:34:28.100 --> 01:34:28.420
It was just,

01:34:28.500 --> 01:34:31.500
that really stuck out to me when you said that because yeah,

01:34:31.700 --> 01:34:32.760
I remember that's,

01:34:33.060 --> 01:34:33.340
that's,

01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:34.220
I may be,

01:34:34.360 --> 01:34:35.580
I may be quoting it wrong.

01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:35.980
It may,

01:34:37.020 --> 01:34:38.420
I just know that he said,

01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:40.140
Lars went to his dad's house,

01:34:40.940 --> 01:34:41.420
you know,

01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.940
and the other two guys stayed at the hotel until the next day.

01:34:46.100 --> 01:34:50.260
So I will tell you one thing that would have definitely happened had Cliff

01:34:50.980 --> 01:35:20.240
Dave Lombardo would have been in Metallica at least two separate times as their drummer. All right, how about that? Really? No one's getting that? Come on. A guy's like in every band, like every two years, he leaves a band and goes, oh, okay, all right. Speaking of the devil, I think he said. Test alone on the tape there. And I was like, wow, really? Dave Lombardo? Come on. Well, speaking of a band I don't think he's been in yet, Machine Head is attempting to course correct with their upcoming

01:35:20.280 --> 01:35:48.980
of Kingdom and Crown and their lead single Choke on the Ashes of Your Hate. Now, their last album was definitely their Saint Anger. That was just an abominable piece of shit that Decibel reviewed with a shrug emoji. That result was every band member except for him leaving, by the way. Yeah, so I think Rob got the hint and said, okay, more metal.

01:35:49.880 --> 01:36:19.520
Because I don't know, I thought the single was pretty good. You know, it's not as extreme as a lot of what I'm listening to, but I thought it was an okay song. Well, the album has three songs from the EP that they did last year. Does it? Two. Well, see, I wasn't paying any attention to them. Four songs from it. Yeah, there was some arrows in the words from the sky, I think it was called, EP that they put out last year. And then all three of those songs are on the album. There's a lot more songs.

01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:49.680
There's that new one, but there's also those three. So I don't think I ever listened to it, but I guess you could get a good sense of what it's like because you get four tracks now. Yeah, I'll have to go back and hear the others. I mean, I liked Machine Head up until definitely not the last one and probably not the last one before that. But up through, what was the one? Something about insects or something. Locusts. Locusts, something, yeah.

01:36:49.880 --> 01:37:19.300
That was like the last good one, I think. And it was not as good as the one before that. So I'm not a huge fan, but I'm totally on board with everybody who says the Blackening is a great record. It really, really is. Yeah. I don't think this quite stands up to that. It's definitely more of a return to that kind of metal form. We'll see. Yeah. I heard something about it supposed to be like they're Blackening 2 or something. So I was like, all right, I'll give it a shot. I mean, if they hadn't said that, I wouldn't have even bothered because that last album was just,

01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:49.620
A shitburger. It was a total shitburger. Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of shitburgers in our catalog. They do. They do. Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. So am I the only one that listened to it then? Yeah. Me and Lars. Fuck them both. Yeah. Why is this in the news? Because I was giving them a shot, you know? Okay. Okay. No, because Marcus, I admit we could do the decibel review because that's the greatest review ever. It's just.

01:37:50.040 --> 01:37:52.400
He got so no one can see it. He got yeah

01:37:52.660 --> 01:37:54.520
so if anyone doesn't know what it is it's just a guy

01:37:54.820 --> 01:37:56.440
shrugging. It wasn't even a number or

01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:58.020
like it didn't say shit or

01:37:58.500 --> 01:38:00.480
garbage just a guy shrugging. Yeah

01:38:00.580 --> 01:38:02.360
and it really pissed Rob Flynn

01:38:02.660 --> 01:38:04.560
off. He got mad about that and that makes

01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:05.920
it even better. Yeah.

01:38:06.100 --> 01:38:08.380
He gets he gets a little he gets rubbed

01:38:08.500 --> 01:38:09.040
so hard.

01:38:11.180 --> 01:38:11.420
So

01:38:12.440 --> 01:38:14.420
all right next news item. We already

01:38:14.580 --> 01:38:16.420
talked about this a little bit but creator released

01:38:16.580 --> 01:38:18.460
a second single strongest of the

01:38:18.540 --> 01:38:48.100
from their forthcoming new album, which is out on June 10th. I thought this one was a little more kind of formulaic, I guess, than the first song. So, I mean, it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. I just was like, I don't know. Sounds very produced. Yeah. And which is funny because Arthur Ruzick, you know,

01:38:48.460 --> 01:39:18.440
We know Arthur. Arthur's producing it, and he does really good work. So I don't know. But they've been like that for four, five, six records now. But that's kind of creator of the now. I mean, that's who they're doing. Well, that last creator album was awesome. But it's shiny. It really is. I don't care about how shiny it is. Of course I'm going to give the album a shot. The song didn't do anything for me, to be honest. So here's an interesting thing, and this is a weird phenomenon that happens with various metal bands, but creator never picks the right single

01:39:20.540 --> 01:39:22.280
Like in the last record

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the best song on that record

01:39:25.180 --> 01:39:26.420
as far as I'm concerned was

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what's it called

01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:30.760
Satan is Real

01:39:31.580 --> 01:39:33.940
That song is so fucking cool

01:39:34.140 --> 01:39:35.340
it's got the coolest riff on it

01:39:35.580 --> 01:39:36.400
and it wasn't the single

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I don't think that's uncommon Jay

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I think a lot of bands actually

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I don't know if it's label pressure

01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:45.600
or they just release

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songs that they

01:39:47.620 --> 01:40:17.020
want to throw out there and then they hit you with a sledgehammer later or they're just idiots i don't know i think it happens more often than than you you think and sometimes i think um you listen to the song and you're not that jazzed about it but then you listen to it within the context of the whole album it's much better yeah i almost did that their last album that the first single they put out i thought it was good but i felt it was a lot better when i listened to the whole album together yeah i agree with you Markisan yeah well i'm excited for it i think i think

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Creator is in a very cool place right now where they really haven't put out a bad record in quite a while. So I think it's going to be great. I totally expect this to be a good record, and I like both of the lead tracks. By the way, interesting chemist factoid, which you guys must have seen, but it's worth adding to the news real quick, which is a said... It's funny it's coming from you. Yeah. Well, hold on. It is kind of worth hearing because it speaks to... Keep your enemies close. It's Jason. I'm so shocked that Jason...

01:40:47.020 --> 01:41:16.800
They didn't break up, did they? That's the only reason I can think of why James is there. No, they got a new tour starting up right now. No, A Conversation with Death now has more than 3 million streams on Spotify. Yeah, that's wild. It's good for them. It's 3 million people listening. It's not even their song. So that's cool. You know, good for them. Or it's their interpretation of the song. It's like an old folk song, right? Yeah. That's wild. That's pretty neat. What did they make, like, 3 bucks? Or 6 cents, maybe. I don't know. Do they pay the royalty back to it?

01:41:18.280 --> 01:41:46.980
They owe Spotify money somehow. They need a free launch at Mickey D's. You like Chemist, Josh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cusher? Yeah, that should be in your wheelhouse because you like the traditional style metal. Yeah, that's why I was like, if you haven't heard this, especially the locksmith. Did anybody, and I'm embarrassed to, well, no, there's no reason to, but did anybody listen to this advanced track from Kirk Hammett's apparently forthcoming solo album? I did not.

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I saw the thing but I didn't listen to it. I almost sent it to you guys. Well I almost sent it to you guys and then I was going to send right below that I just stopped myself but I was going to send you a video for Tatameland because it's just a reworked of Tatameland riff. You know what I'm saying? Trust me. If that does not go through your head when you put this on. Now that stated it's kind of weird and interesting. There's instrumentation on it that goes beyond metal so he really

01:42:17.020 --> 01:42:46.980
was trying to do something soundtrack-y. But, nah, you might check it out. I'm not whatever, but mostly I felt like he was like, I could picture him writing this and going, why does that sound familiar? Because if I was there, I would have told him. I'm like, yeah, that's the table I do. You know, remember when he lost his phone with all those riffs on there? It might have had all his Iron Maiden albums on there, too. So in any case, but you said you had another news story, too. Yeah, I put this one on here.

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So there's a metal band called Hemorrhage, and it's not the grindcore band. This one's just H-E-M-O-R-A-G-E. And apparently they play shows from inside their bus outside other metal shows and get people moshing in the street. I've seen them live. They were at the last Exodus show. Yeah, well, they were in San Diego at the Exodus Testament and Death Angel show. And they got shut down.

01:43:17.060 --> 01:43:46.760
about the police, but apparently Gary Holt caught part of the set before it was shut down. And, uh, and so he bought some of their merch to support the band. And, uh, I think it's very cool. It's like a pop-up concert instead of a pop-up restaurant. Uh, well, okay. So I've actually seen them and not only that, first of all, they're not very good. Well, they sounded rocking, but, um, but literally, um, I've seen them twice now. So I think there must be from here. Cause then both times it was at shows where they,

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And one of them was System of Down. I saw System of Down. They played in the parking lot there. And then they were downtown for Exodus. And anyway, literally, dude, you'll be standing there in the street and they pull up and the side of the van comes down and they just take off rocking. Like I said, it's actually kind of cool. But well, Jay, did they get that from Metallica? Because that's what Metallica used to do. They used to drive around the Bay Area in this huge rig and they would pull up in a parking lot like at a Walmart or something. They did Tower Records that way. That was like a flatbed or something. Yeah.

01:44:17.040 --> 01:44:20.500
that way. It's a lot like that.

01:44:20.670 --> 01:44:23.800
But it's kind of cool, though, because all their stuff,

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you can see their microphones are embedded in the van.

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It's all there.

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It's awesome.

01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:29.200
It's pretty neat.

01:44:29.500 --> 01:44:29.960
It's pretty neat.

01:44:30.220 --> 01:44:30.340
Yeah.

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All right.

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I take that back.

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They're not bad.

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It's not necessarily the kind of metal any of us would listen to.

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Let's put it that way.

01:44:38.220 --> 01:44:38.400
Okay.

01:44:38.440 --> 01:44:40.220
Kind of maybe Pantera-esque or something.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

01:44:41.570 --> 01:44:41.660
Yeah.

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I'm not going to listen.

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All right, let's move on to the new releases then. First up, we have the self-titled album from Envy of None. This is the first album featuring Rush guitarist Alex Lifeson, as if we haven't had enough Rush talk already. And then, you know, some dude from Coney Hatch, that band that existed once.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the singer, she's probably young enough to be the daughter of any of these guys, but, uh, but it's not particularly metal though. It is kind of heavy at points. Uh, but I thought it was really good. Uh, it was not what I would have expected from Alex Lifeson, but I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it. I don't think anyone expected that from Alex Lifeson. I totally couldn't. Well, I haven't. So please elaborate a little bit. It's like a, a high

01:45:41.760 --> 01:46:10.000
Pudge Pudge of like indie rock. It's kind of like art pop. Post metal. Yeah. Electronic. Electronic. It's not trip hop. I don't want to use that because that takes it a different place. But there's moments like touches a Portis head for just seconds here and there. There's no prog outside of maybe some of the things Alex does on his guitar. He does some kind of interesting soundscape things once in a while. Chelsea Wolf was also mentioned and somebody else that I liked.

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If you want something different, there's really no metal at all in this. She's a great singer. I mean, it's cool. Yeah, it's okay. It's like electronic pop. I wouldn't even know that Alex Life is on this album. He does do some really cool guitar parts, but he's barely at the forefront of it. You know what I mean? So it's basically, I think we're talking about hold your fire here. No, but when I hear electronic, though,

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So don't expect any of that stuff. It's not that at all. It's more like lo-fi. Yeah. There's regular acoustic drums on it. Actually, I've been listening to samples since we started talking. And yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. By the way, that's a very rushy cover, the artwork, or maybe a rush single that would have worked for. Okay, interesting. It would be a grower for me. I don't know. It didn't really do much for me because it's all pretty much the same tempo, too. Yeah, it's very,

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laid back and atmospheric on top of that.

01:47:11.820 --> 01:47:11.900
Yeah.

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I mean,

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I like that,

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but I just felt like I was going to get more.

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Alex Lifeson.

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I don't know.

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Well,

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I don't know what I was expecting,

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but that's a good point.

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I think part of it has to do that.

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He has very bad arthritis in his hands.

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So I think he is basically whatever he does.

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He wants to actually enjoy what he's doing.

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Cause apparently on their last tour,

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he was like,

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I'm out.

01:47:34.890 --> 01:47:35.620
I can't do it anymore.

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This is killing me.

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So maybe that's what it is.

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Wasn't Kony Hatch kind of metal adjacent to them? They were a hard rock band. And I can honestly say, I know for a fact here, I'm probably the only person who's ever seen them live. As a matter of fact, I had to tell George, I had to look at them, I was like, you know, I actually did see these guys live way back when. Were they open for Midnight Flyer? No. Are you ready for this? 1982, November, they opened for Judas Priest on the Screen for Vengeance Tour. Interesting.

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A Canadian Band, by the way, so obviously a connection there. That's why White knows the guy. Josh, were you going to say something? Well, they have a little bit of a typo negative vibe sometimes. At least one of the tracks that I listened to at the beginning of it, the Look Inside, it just kind of has a little bit of a slow typo negative vibe that some of the songs had.

01:48:38.360 --> 01:49:08.320
Speaking of which, we just passed the 12th anniversary, like what, two days ago? Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I thought there were some projects coming around. I was almost sure one of those guys was writing a book about the last days of Peter Steele or something. There was a thing that was supposed to be coming and it never materialized. I don't know. Yeah. And also, by the way, you know, how kind of sad that for a

01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:37.860
A band that did not live that fast. And we're so full of musicianship and everything that so many bands carry out for so long. Well, not like these guys. Anyway, it's sad that Russia is not a band anymore. This is what I was trying to get around to saying. Such dedicated musicians, but you know, little bad luck late in their life. And you know, Bob jungle. I was going to say Neil was also suffering from terrible arthritis or whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah.

01:49:38.340 --> 01:50:08.320
his last show also he couldn't he said he was done because he couldn't play because his shoulder was so bad so yeah well he was a pounder his whole his whole life so and whatever they do now that that makes him happy is fine exactly just yeah you know but i mean this album would even be on our list if not for alex life and i just i just wish i had a little little bit more yeah you know it's i bet Markisan you probably would agree it's just probably time and place when you listen to something you know yeah

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It could be. I've only listened to it once, John. So it's like, you know, I'll probably give it another spin. Yeah. I mean, I liked it, but at the same time, I'm not married to it. That's for sure. Because I want to hear Hogs Life's in two, obviously. I'm a bit of a sponge right now. I've been in a real like death metal grindcore place for the last year or two. And this year, I'm a bit more of a sponge, just kind of taking everything in. Well, this album's a right turn from that. Yeah. Well, I think this hit you at the right time, though.

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to George because you were saying, oh, this is exactly what I needed today. Yeah. So, I mean, if you want metal, don't listen. Put it that way. Yeah. But if you like rock music and stuff, you know, it's cool. Which everybody needs to deviate from the norm. All right. Well, actually, I do have a non-metal album on my work. I've been listening to. So do I. Awesome. Nice. Okay. All right. So next up, we do have a metal album for you.

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in case you were wondering if this was the old fuckers that like uh you know

01:51:13.340 --> 01:51:16.120
whatever the fuck we've been talking about that isn't metal which is a lot of things

01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:22.620
um this is a band called epitaph with an e on the end this is their second album they're a french

01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:28.060
death doom band although to be perfectly honest when i listen to this it was like ethereal

01:51:31.740 --> 01:51:35.760
it's like it's not like death doom like james lewis is gonna bitch at us about

01:51:35.940 --> 01:52:05.740
where it's slow and... It's not slow. It's frenetic. Yeah, it's pretty heavy. It's pretty much death metal with, you know, doom passages. Can I just point out a wonderful irony here, too, though, in that, not unlike the Led Zeppelin 2, where I came out earlier, this is actually called Epitaph 2, and calling something Epitaph 2 is greatly ironic. I just love that. I've got more to say. Wait. One more. Yeah. Oh, I... Yeah, I...

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I agree, George, because they are listed as a death doom band, but there are moments on this album where it's very death metal-y, and then it gets very doomy, and they kind of merge the two a little bit, and then there's a little bit of a blackened guitar tone here and there, and then it gets very proggy in parts, and you might, and it's very atmospheric, you're like, oh, okay, all this together, and the songs are 20 minutes long. Yeah, three 18-plus-minute songs in a row, man. It seems to work for them. It's just like their first album,

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Although I will say I found it an interesting connection to Pink Floyd on this album without it sounding like Pink Floyd. This album reminds me of Animals structurally. Two bookended short acoustic pieces with three long songs in between the two acoustic pieces. Now these are much longer obviously but and they could have trimmed down some of the bits and pieces here and there on the album but I like these guys. Their last album was on my made my top 25. The first

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Was it two, three years ago now? It's been a while. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was, it's really good. I really like, I didn't, it wasn't on my radar. And then John, um, bought it, I think. And I saw, and then I was like, John, I can't buy this because they were putting it out digitally for like a million dollars. Save me. Yeah. You know why I got it? Because I actually, I bought physical on that one and I fucked up because had I bought the other version of the CD, I would have got the bonus track, which was a short song. It was only 11 minutes.

01:53:36.120 --> 01:54:05.140
I did that with the Arth album. I didn't realize there was a deluxe version with a couple more tracks. I was like, God damn. I should say something. I have that, George. I can upload it for you if you want. Yeah, yeah, please. I need those extra tracks. I'm going to pull a Markisan and contact them and say, hey, you know, I bought the album. Do you think you might release it? But anyway, I was able to get it to you guys because I bought the physical copy and they released it for people who bought the physical copy. Nice. Yeah, I really like it. It's just long.

01:54:05.180 --> 01:54:09.180
I just I get tired sometimes and it can be really frenetic it just like

01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:13.800
bombards you you know so I can usually do a couple songs and then I need a nap

01:54:14.540 --> 01:54:19.700
but I really like I really like it I just I haven't been able to listen to it all at once yet

01:54:20.620 --> 01:54:24.240
no that maybe that's the key to the album is you listen to one of the songs

01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:27.960
when you get a chance that's 20 minutes okay I'll move on I'll come back

01:54:28.620 --> 01:54:33.240
yeah it's really well crafted though so I don't I don't know if it's gonna land on my list but I do

01:54:34.480 --> 01:55:03.220
I do quite enjoy it. I do. So this next one I'm guessing is not pronounced Mary is smelly. Um, Jesus, I wish we had Mark Deeks here from our to pronounce this for us as he's really good with the finish, but, uh, I'm going to hazard Mara smiley. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the album is

01:55:05.440 --> 01:55:32.800
Martaden Mielta? Sorry, Yanni. Yanni, why don't you just send us some audio clips with the album for us and then make a comment about Jay so we can throw that in there too. Jay is my bitch. Anyway, this is the second album from a Finnish black metal band and it was surprisingly good, which is ironic given that I have their first album. First album's great too.

01:55:33.260 --> 01:56:02.580
I love the first album. I was like, oh, I love it when I get a band and turns out there was another album that I don't remember I had. Which goes back to that whole we consume so much that we don't even know what we have. But that happens to me all the time because all the promos and stuff we get, you know, you just you can't remember it all. Their first album made my, I think it was like 10 or 11 for me when the first album came out. Yeah.

01:56:02.660 --> 01:56:32.560
I loved it. It's quite good. Well, I love this record. Yeah. They just expand the sound even more and add all kinds. So I don't understand why it's called pagan black metal. I guess that means folky black metal, but we can't call it folky black metal because that sounds like too nice and happy. So let's call it pagan black metal. But when you call it that, then it's like all these flutes and, you know, I think there's an accordion on the album. So there's an accordion, there's a violin, a jaw harp at some point.

01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:37.140
I call it atmospheric black metal for haunted forest tracks.

01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:40.380
And I very much like strolling in a ghostly wood.

01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:42.180
So this is a good album for that.

01:56:42.280 --> 01:56:43.760
But there's some killer riffs.

01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:52.840
They break it down hard and kind of deviate from the kind of foresty flute kind of playing.

01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:55.400
It's yeah, they're cool.

01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:59.960
They sound extremely professional, meaning the sound is good.

01:57:00.010 --> 01:57:00.940
The production is good.

01:57:00.940 --> 01:57:02.440
The songs are written in such a way.

01:57:02.480 --> 01:57:31.040
They don't sound like a band that's only got two albums. It's like they've been around for a while. They're definitely different in a lot of, because most younger black metal bands, let's be honest, they got work to do. Yeah. And I would say this one's going to make my list, but I started looking at my list, man. I already have like over 25 albums that I think are worthy. And we're not even halfway through. Take February out.

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And now you're back down to a more manageable list. Yeah. I know. All right. Next, we have the new album from Night Fell. Never Comes the Storm. It's their fourth album. They're a Portland, Oregon black death band. I used to be a big fan of these guys. I kind of fell off with the last album and not necessarily a judgment on the album itself. I think it just wasn't in my wheelhouse of death grind at the time.

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But I did really like this one. Did you say Death Grind? Death Grind, as in, you know. Oh, because to me they're more. No, no, that they weren't in that wheelhouse. Because when the last album came out, I was all Napalm, Death, and Nazem. I gotcha. You know, fucking shit like that. And so I was just like, nah, not listen to this. Not listen to this. Got it. Yeah, I mean, I liked the last one a lot. Me too. And I really liked this one as well. Just really.

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But it's a surprise drop. It came out of nowhere. I didn't see it coming. That's because this one is independently released. Previously, they were on a label like 20 bucks spin or some shit. I think it's 20 bucks spin. But yeah, this was independently released. So apparently they didn't have money to promo it or anything. It feels like a COVID release almost. Meaning like they were working on it during... Maybe. Who knows? That's a really strong album. I think it's

01:59:32.460 --> 02:00:02.400
I mean, I love the last one too. So they're definitely a band. I'll be spinning a lot this year. Yeah. And our last but completely unreviewed new release is not out for another two weeks. Apparently metal storm failed me. Volcano is releasing a new album called stone orange on April 29th, which is two weeks from yesterday. But according to metal storm, it came out yesterday. So I put it on the list and failed.

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I'll replace it with something real quick if you don't mind. Sure, but one thing I want to say about it is there is a track out, and I did listen to it, and while I thought their last album was very Slayer-esque, this one sounds a little more Creator-esque. So, just saying. Anyway, you may carry on. And it's only one song, but there is an album that came out of nowhere that I think we all ended up buying. Oh, of course.

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And they dropped like a gazillion vinyl variants. But they all sold out super fast. But they dropped the first song off the album. What is it called? Death Touch. Death Touch. I touch you. It's great. Yeah. They're from Michigan, Josh. Oh, yeah. They're a Detroit band. I'm wondering if they're going to do any sung vocals on this one. I don't know. I hope not.

02:01:03.700 --> 02:01:29.440
The implication during their last interview was that they were very shocked at how good of a singer he was. And that they might explore that a little more. I love the track they put up I love. So I'm really excited for that. And they would like to come back on the show. So that's awesome too. Who wouldn't want to come back on? I mean seriously we're a bunch of fun guys. We're like pepperoni extra mushrooms.

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We get five hours of complete exposure to the whole world like they are with us. Exactly. You can't leave this podcast without us knowing what brand underwear you wear. All right, so before we get into what we're listening to, because we are totally stalling for Matt, we're going to do another quick, what are you drinking? Josh, you probably drinking the same thing? No, no, no.

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Some Elijah Craig bourbon. All right. Nice. Good stuff. And I was, I was really hoping that I was, I was going to, I was going to stop at the, up at the cigar bar and get a cigar, but I couldn't work it out that I could be outside because my girlfriend would have a conniption if I, if I was smoking in here. So unfortunately that had to, that had to not happen this time, but hopefully next time. You know, if you came to MDF. Yeah.

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Just saying.

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That's true. That's soon. Yeah, it's only a little over a month now. There's still tickets, just saying. I mean, you know, I heard you were saying that MDF, this might be the last year. Yes, that's what they're saying. I heard that Bloodstock is having its problems, too. Everybody is. Except Valken, because Valken rules. Although, what the fuck are they doing? Well, I don't think it was financial.

02:03:03.460 --> 02:03:33.140
for MDF. I think it was just they're tired. That's what I got from that. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they are dealing with the same stuff that Glenn deals with from Prog Power on a much bigger scale. They are sick and tired of dealing with the U.S. visa thing. Prog Power has literally changed their lineup. At least 10 bands have dropped off. They've had to replace them with other bands. And I'm sure that the guys from MDF are like...

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Same problems.

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Same exact problems.

02:03:35.660 --> 02:03:38.360
It's just they have more bands to deal with and they're just getting tired of it.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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I think the quote was the other day from Glenn was,

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or somebody was,

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if you're not cold play,

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they're not letting you in the States right now.

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I mean,

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it's just,

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if you've got money,

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then you can get these bands in,

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but nobody's willing to pay that kind of money to expedite these visas.

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I'm saying is corner better get here.

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Cause that's like,

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that's my biggest draw for MDF is I think corner.

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Definitely. I was just like, fuck, they're actually going to play a show. And they're going to play right here. That's awesome. And they're actually playing in Chicago, too. Yeah, I think they're going to probably play a few dates in the States. Violence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know they have. I was debating if I'm going to go because we're going to see them at MDF. But I might go again. Twice is better than once. Yeah. Well, I'm drinking another triple IPA called Dun Dun Dun Dun.

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Which is probably why you are done, son. It's hard to read. That's why you're getting food now. Motherfuckers, black on black. It says Amarillo, Citra, and Galaxy Hopped triple IPA. What percent is that? This one is, fuck, I can barely read this. Well, yeah, because the whole can is completely black. It's black on black, dude. It's like, it's 10.5%. Another 10.5. Let's see. I'm looking for the sound effect of what?

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What happens when Markazan drinks too much? I just fall off a chair. Yeah, why can't I find it? Look at that fucking rainbow. Okay, here we go. So this is what happens when Markazan drinks too much. And drinking the thunder oak. One more time. And drinking the thunder oak. That's right.

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I just went and took a nap.

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I'm not dead yet. So much. I think I'll go for a walk. Oh my God. There's no more rainbows here. I don't drink as much. Three beers is probably going to be my limit. All of these beers are very strong. So yeah. I haven't hit anything new because I actually ate a little food. I was thinking about getting a I've got some newer Bourbon County brand stouts in my fridge, but then I'm like, fuck, I got to be up early tomorrow.

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And that's not a beer you could just throw down. You got to savor that one for a while because it's, I think those are all 14 or 15%. So I may not hit those tonight. I just don't have the. That's for the top 25, John. I don't have the tolerance to do that. So right now. Okay. Drinking water. No boomer here. God damn. We should damn kids would get it right for once.

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And Jay, are you still drinking water, coffee, what? Yeah. Eat the peanut butter sandwich. Okay, I'm going to get my coffee here. All right. I've moved on to the previously predicted Cigar City Hialeah. Nice. Very nice. That's a little one. Very nice. It's just a regular size. Yeah, who knew they made it? Oh, because they have the 16-ounce ones here, too. That's interesting. They have both of them here. Yeah. Cool. So, cheers. Hope I don't knock it over.

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Skull. Skull. Skull, my brother. Skull. All right. I guess we have to move on to what we're listening to.

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I don't listen to any soul.

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Really? Hideous divinity. Always some wilderness. I'm really into wilderness right now. Green lung. Parasite ink. And then just there's just always a road pretty much constant rotation of old school stuff, you know, and then.

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I believe it or not I never

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there was this weird situation where

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some of the

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I realize I might catch a lot of heat

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for this but

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controversy

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there was some classic bands that I didn't get into

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until like

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you know much later in life

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you know I told you about

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this yes you did

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so King Diamond

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Merciful Fate

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I know I'm gonna just somebody's gonna like just just just shit the bed go ahead yeah yeah

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motorhead and so these are all bands that I mean I listen to obviously but I never really got into first just for whatever reason I don't know why and so I've recently like just been just going through their catalogs and trying to just absorb them in their entirety

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and just enjoy them and I don't know I don't know why I never really got into

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Motorhead I don't I really don't and I mean it's because obviously they're amazing let me can I ask you

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what's standing out for you on some of this releases that you're enjoying the most and also I listened to this this week and I really want to recommend it to you yeah it's what I think is the best late era Motorhead album it's called Inferno it's yeah it's good so fucking good yeah it's just one of those

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It's just somehow better than the three after it and the three before it by a long shot

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But are there any particular releases that are

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Because I love more it's like what

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What are you loving?

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Well, I

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So like I said, it takes

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I really have to

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I really digest

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An album

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Very slowly over time

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And so I mean, I'm really on there

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About their first three albums

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And I mean, the very first one is

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Is what I've really, really, really been digging so far

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And just self-titled, right?

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That's just the first album that's been subtitled. Iron Horse, Born to Lose is just absolutely amazing. You know, and so it's just, George and I talked about this a little bit, and that was that, you know, he said that he was kind of jealous because he had already listened to all this stuff. You know what I mean? He's all inherited. It's all old hat for him, right? But now for me, it's all just brand new stuff.

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You know what I wouldn't give to hear a number of the beasts for the first time again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to want to get the best interpretations of the first album, which is not Fast Eddie, that's two guitars on that one, is you really got to have No Sleep Till Hammersmith. And that actually has Born to Lose on it and the title track, Motorhead. And it's just, that's a live album. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. Sorry, I could talk about Motorhead all day, but that's not

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I'm jealous of you too that's great man yeah yeah I just and I have a big catalog so yeah yeah no and I and that's the beautiful part about it right it's like I just and I don't grab another album and in you know in chronological order until I feel like I've really you know absorbed all of the album that I'm on and so it's just I have in there's there's just always kind of this constant stream of like old school stuff that I listen to you know what I mean Omen you know

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Overkill, Testament, you know, just because it's kind of my go-to stuff, you know. And I pretty much just get to listen to music for a good portion of my day during work. So that's, yeah, that's, let me see if I can think of somebody else. This really... I'm curious about this whole King Diamond Merciful Faith thing. What did you think of that stuff? Well, I mean, it's just absolutely,

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I think the high vocals turn people off yeah yes that that was it I'm sorry real quick though no George George just throw you for a loop that the one I commented on was motor no of course not well I mean obviously you're you're more of a merciful if I get yeah but yeah but motorhead was where we were at the time so it's okay fair enough but anyway you were saying Josh

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I'm curious to hear too because Merciful Fade, probably my favorite metal band of all time.

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Yeah, I mean, it's just, I don't know, I don't know if it, there was just kind of a very strong thrash metal thing when, you know, I, okay, here's, here's another one that I can kind of dish on George about. He was like just crazy into thrash, right? Like when we were young, that was it, right? It was Metallica, Megadeth, you know, all that kind of stuff.

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And I started listening to Sabbath and Bolt Thrower. He really busted my balls about that. He hated that stuff back then. Yeah, he did. And I remember... You hated Bolt Thrower? Yeah, well, I didn't get death metal at the time, okay? But I remember you telling me, yeah, there's this band Bolt Thrower and their albums were released by Games Workshop. Yeah. And you were just like, oh my God, that stuff is terrible. Yeah.

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Now I absolutely love Bolt Thrower. But yeah, back then, I mean, even when Death Scream Bloody Gore came out, I was like, oh my God, listen to this shit. Yeah. We've all got those in our past. We just don't have a friend here exposing us. Exactly. Because there are things that I can't think of one right now, and I'd be happy to admit them, but there were things that I was just like, I don't know about this. Well, yeah. It's like a cornerstone in my life, you know.

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You know, death metal and the harsh vocal thing was a completely new thing. And it took some getting used to. For sure. For sure. For sure. And I mean, it just, it was, I mean, you know, to be honest, it was a little bit jarring even for us back then, you know, because it was like, you know, everybody sang clean vocals for the most part, you know, they were a little bit, you know, they had some rasp to them, but they weren't, they weren't, you know, unintelligible or. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And,

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And so anyway, I had something that I wanted to ask everybody. And I don't know if you've done this before, if you have. Totally disregard it. But what is everybody's heavy metal guilty pleasure? What is a band that you wouldn't want other people to know that you listen to? Let's start with Markisan. We'll just go through. I have one, and it's probably pretty bad.

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I'll fess up. It's Amaranth.

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Okay. That's not bad.

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No, it's pretty bad, man.

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They're kind of, they're about like the most produced kind of commercial, like heavy metal that you can possibly imagine.

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But I don't know why.

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I just every once in a while, I bust out some of their albums and I rock out to them.

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I can beat that.

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Oh, God, no.

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No.

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You can't.

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I can. Go ahead, Mark. I mean, I can't. I guess I I'm not as I'm not as big a critic on metalcore, I guess, as some others. I don't listen to a lot of metalcore. Yeah. Well, the original bands like Archangel and stuff are amazing. Like before metalcore became what we know of it now. Yeah. So I love that. That's not.

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Those are the bands, but I do like a band called Oceano. Oh, yeah. They're metalcore, but they're actually really fucking heavy and good. But, you know, I would get a lot of shit, I think, for people if I'm talking about how much I like that band and metalcore. I mean, I'll say it anyways. I'll put it on an album list, because I don't care. But I can't really think of too much else. I like a lot of good music.

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John.

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I know that like most everything you listen to, nobody else.

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Pretty much.

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You know, any band that I would feel is a guilty pleasure, I'm going to assume that these are bands I still listen to because there's a lot that after time you're like, okay, this is going in the heat pile.

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You know, I don't understand why they got so much shit, although their later output I don't like at all. I still do like the first four releases from Lacuna Coil. Oh, yeah. Of course. I mean, I always found it interesting how they got shit on so hard and said that they were copying Evanescence when, in fact, they had how many albums out before Evanescence? And Evanescence sounds just like them. So I don't know why they took so much shit, but.

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I don't know. I like those too, John. The same thing for me with Arch Enemy. Like the first two, I'll rip. I thought Wages of Sin was awesome with the first one they did with Angela, but I don't know. I mean, most of the prog stuff I listened to, I probably would be like, ugh. What are your guys' opinion about Alyssa singing clean vocals on the new Arch Enemy? I haven't even heard of it. I haven't listened to Arch Enemy forever.

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Yeah, when she took over from Angela, everybody was like, oh, she better not bring none of that clean vocal shit, you know, whatever. And this album, at least the songs that they've dropped so far, she's mixed clean vocals into it. Is she a good singer? Yeah, yeah. Did you, what was, George, what was the band that she was, The Agonist. The Agonist, yeah. It was this thing for Agonist, and it was clean slash harsh soul. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I didn't know.

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and I don't know them. She's a super amazing singer. I think. I mean, that seems like a natural progression for that band. Yeah. It has already happened. So yeah, I agree. It should have happened vocally. I'll probably see them this year because they're with Behemoth. They're doing a tour and I think I'd like to see them dance by since I saw them. But also Jeff Loomis is playing in, which is kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, it's worth seeing him. I actually saw them with,

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Frederick from Opeth. But he was with them for a little bit. Yeah. I've seen them once. Yeah. They opened for Machine Head or something when I saw them. Now, Josh, had you asked me what guilty non-metal pleasures do you have? Boy, that list is really long. I mean, as I've gotten older, I just, my, I mean, my musical, I started out because my mother just listened to music all

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all the time. You know what I mean? So there's all sorts of stuff out there that, you know, I wouldn't admit to half the people that I talk to that I listen to, you know. If you grew up, you're more or less our age. So if you don't have some Neil Diamond in your background that you don't want to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, you know, she listened to all, you know, Crumbs, Me, Stills, Nash and Young, you know, just Willie Nelson, you know, all that stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was kind of a hippie, you know, so there was a lot of, you know, just like Buffy St. Marie, you know, just, you know, I can't even remember all of them right now, but, you know.

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So I'm only too happy to share mine. I have a Manowar's one, which I know that doesn't seem like a good

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That's not a guilty pleasure. I know. And I know you don't feel that way, George. It's 100% a guilty pleasure, George. Just because you and I just love them. Reared on it. I will say this. There are circles, though, of people that just consider that the cheesiest thing ever. And I really don't like anything past Fighting the World. But I do love the other ones. And then I'll say something. I know George likes. And each one of these bands I know somebody else likes on the pod. And they all end at a certain point.

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Twisted Sister through... Oh, man. Love it. But a lot of people would consider that bullshit. First Lost record. Idiots. I think are great. And I'm still prone. I will not hesitate to put on a 70s Kiss record. Oh, yeah. For sure. But all of those, I believe me, you, there are people out there who just... I hate Kiss. You guys talk about Kiss so much. It's fine, but... And every time you say, I hate Kiss,

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I can't stand him. I'm not going to defend him, but they, um, but there you go. It's a guilty pleasure. I mean, you know, having grown up with it, you know, that, did you get, like, I, there was this, a destroyer re-imagined album that came out a while back. It's really good. It's great. Yeah. It has a slightly different cover, like an alternate cover. It was orange remastered. Didn't Steve Wilson actually remix that? No, it was actually the original.

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I thought he was involved with that. Bob Ezrin. Just going to keep saying it until you agree with me. I agree with you, but he might be right about Steve Wilson. No, I'm pretty sure Steve Wilson got involved with them also on that. I'm almost positive he did. Bob Ezrin. You can say Bob Ezrin all you want. I'm just being a dick at this point. At this point?

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What's that? Pretty good question, actually. No, J. Wasp is one of the bands that I've recently been going through because I was just like, okay, I mean, a band like that can't be around for as long as they've been around and not, you know, I mean, there's got to be something to it. Yeah, I'm going to see them in November. And they're going to concentrate on the up through and have this children. Yeah, those are the good albums. Well, with the mild dip and Electric Circus. Yes, Electric Circus was me, but yeah.

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He did the 5.1 remix. That's right. That's in the box set. Yes. You're right. He's the master of the 5.1. Exactly. Good memory, John. Yeah, this was a Bob Resren remastered George remix. And then the one that John's talking about comes in the box. Yeah, for the Blu-ray. Yeah. Which is the stuff he does like with... Right, right, right, right. That was a good guess.

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All those bands. His Jethro Tull stuff is awesome. Another box that I like very much was that box that was very cool. Yeah. Bob Ezrin. And you know, and I. Bob Ezrin did not remix Jethro Tull. But ironically, Jethro Tull remixed. No. Then I know there isn't a Jethro Tull. All right. But George, I guess it's up to you to throw your heart on the table now. I'm looking at my list, by the way, while we're talking to see if I can find anything. I can't. Me too. I legitimately zoomed through my records just to see.

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I'm sure I have stuff. Well, you know, I wish Trevor was here to back me up, but I mean, I've got hair metal past. You know, I like Motley Crue still. I like poison. I like rat. I like Cinderella, you know? Okay, but I'm going to go a little bit further because this is, you know, if we're truly opening up here, I'm going to say. Bolt thrower. I will obviously cop to bolt thrower.

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at this point.

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No.

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Yes.

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I already ripped on this band earlier.

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I really liked the first Five Finger Death Punch album.

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Isn't that what everybody says, George?

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I hope so.

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I've never heard anyone not say that they liked them.

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They only liked the first album.

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Yeah.

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If you like the second album.

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I honestly just don't know them.

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Then you fuck you.

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And they just like go off the rails or something. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything about them. Other than that guy is always fucking saying he's the new Gene Simmons of death metal. He's angry. I've got face tattoos. Everything is death metal. Oh, man. Yeah. Good question. One of those guys was in that hired guns. Yes. That's as much as I know about them. Yeah. And I actually kind of liked him. He left the van though. Okay. Oh, did he? Okay. Yeah. Like somewhat recently.

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If you haven't seen that documentary, it's so good. Which one, John? It's called Hired Guns. Okay. I think that's the full title. Maybe there's more to it. It's about musicians that are brought in to work. Studio musicians, kind of. Yeah, on other albums. But some of them are actually full-time musicians that got treated like hired guns, like Billy Joel's drummer, who was with him for years, who ended up writing a lot of the music and got treated like shit.

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But also like Alice Cooper's band, you know, like, so they're not just studio people. They're just like people who work for a big name, but aren't really the main show and probably draw a salary as opposed to a serious living. But it's great because it's probably a lot of guys, you know, and like in some cases, Alice Cooper is one of the ones that comes to mind. Yeah. Who are, there's some other metal stuff in there. I'm sure there was. There's some that I think with one country artist, I think there was one guitarist in there. One guy worked with a bunch of pop artists. I mean, they,

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They make good money, but... Also, the drummer for Jane's Addiction might be in there. Maybe some stuff like that. But it's a good behind-the-scenes look. That's good how that works. I love how many really cool music documentaries there are now for stuff, if not metal, at least metal-adjacent stuff that we can relate to. It's like, wow. And same thing with books, you know? When we were kids, there weren't any cool books about rock musicians, and now everybody's got a fucking book. We've got a lot of good...

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biographies about metal musicians lately, for sure. So, hey, I have a guilty pleasure rock biography. Oh. About Yngwie Malmsteen's autobiography. Oh, he has one? Yeah, it's relentless. Isn't it all just called train wreck that you just stand and watch every car derail? I would think his autobiography would just be me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. I've paged it. I don't think it is. Lamborg

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He actually has a new YouTube show called Coffee Talk with him. I'm not making this up. That's not pretentious. And then he just spends like an hour talking to Steve Vai or his friends. Oh, Jesus. So I have Steve on my show. Let me solo for an hour before I get to my first question. This is broke number 57. The one time that I saw Yngwie, it was an hour and a half headlining set, and only half of it,

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had vocals. It was like literally half the set was just him going. Was the rest of the band even on the stage too? Because I've heard he's done that where everyone else is asleep and he just plays by himself. I don't remember. Or plays with a backing track, John, or plays with a band and has a singer as a backing vocal. I've heard that. That motherfucker doesn't want to play with nobody. He's actually a pretty good singer. I like to play with myself. When he trashes all the singers he's had as saying they're not that good, you're like, really?

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These are some of the best singers in hard rock, and you're trashing them for your voice. Well, you know, what he really is is like a Richie Blackmore disciple, so he went out and got everybody that Richie had, you know, with the exception of being Gellon. But Graham Bonnet worked with him. What's his book from Straight Between the Eyes? Joel and Turner. Jeff, is it Scott Soto? I can never remember. Jeff Scott Soto, yeah. He was with them for a long time. For a few albums. His first three records, I think. Yeah.

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Yeah, which are the only three. And then what's his name? Mark. Mark Bowles. Mark Bowles. On the trilogy. That's my favorite. He did an album with fucking Ripper. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's had some great musicians play with him. He definitely has like some of his drummers have been, I can't think of some of the names, but some of them have been great. Yeah. Which is surprising. I'll let you know how the book is, but I think he is more humble now than he used to be because I've, I just think he is.

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But that's my new guilty pleasure. So he went from DEFCON 5 to DEFCON 4? Honestly, probably, yeah. You're probably right. Or what is it, 1 to 2? I don't know which story. So how much of this guilty pleasure relates to the fact of your recent guitar prejudices? 100%. Yeah, but because what George is referring to is that I, this is a, but here's the thing though, and the reason I got into, permit me a moment, the reason I got into these guitars,

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was because there's no better researcher in the field. The guy who spent his whole life obsessively playing a Stratocaster. If he designed a Stratocaster, you better at least see what it's about, right? And I bought one and it was amazing. So then I spent way more money and got the custom shop version. And I just tell him, man, he's a genius. This is like no Stratocaster I've ever played. And it's caused me to kind of pay a little bit closer attention. I still can't really take his music in. It's just too many fucking notes, as they say, and Amadeus.

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Amadeus, Amadeus.

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The movie Amadeus where the king tells him.

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He makes prog guitarists look like the dudes from the 50s.

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With all the notes he puts in.

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And he is a savant, you know, fair enough.

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But so I've just seen a lot of stuff and I'm interested in his theories and ideas about guitar versus how he plays it.

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And I've kind of gotten to know him through a lot of interviews.

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He's a better guy than you think.

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But yes, I bought the book because of the guitar.

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Don't you find that the frustrating part about him is that his massive ego,

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has probably held back some great things he could be talking about that guitarists and amateur guitarists want to hear him talk about. Yeah. And, you know, some of it's out there, but you got to dig. And because I've seen some really insightful interviews with him about tricks and tips and stuff. And, you know, like, just to give you one example, like this one. So this is the custom shop one. And he did this thing where the, this is very interesting. I think, George, you'll think.

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The connection goes straight into the guitar like any other guitar. And then

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the signal goes

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bypasses the tone circuit and goes

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straight to the volume knob. That may sound

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weird except it sounds like this has a boost

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circuit on it. Like the Kerry Keaton

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thing I just put on Frankie.

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It has a boost switch.

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It's like a boost switch.

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And there's like 10 other things on this

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guitar that are like Eddie Van Halen type

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innovations.

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So I'm interested in that part of him. Anyway, I'm going to read his fucking book. I'll give you a post. Jay's going to come back. Yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah. All right. I think we're on to Markisan what you're listening to now. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry, George. I didn't mean to derail things. I just. No, we are. We are filibustering for Matt who says he will be on in five. Okay. All right.

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Maybe he'll make it for what we are listening to because my list is pretty long actually. Some lists are longer than others. Yours used to be the longest and I think mine I've taken over. Well you said you had nine I have ten. Yeah. I see your list is as long as mine. The first album is Inanna Converging Ages. This is a remaster for 2020 on Memento Mori Records and

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Desert Wasteland Records. And I stumbled upon this band and I've been listening to this record and their second album, Transfigured in a Thousand Delusions. And I've just been loving the hell out of these. And someone on Bandcamp described the band as Immolation Crossed with Cynic. And that's pretty accurate. It's evil, pummeling death with expert technicality sprinkled with this progressive space dust.

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Unicorn Dust. Yeah, pretty much. It definitely leads more towards the immolation side, but then they go into these passages that do kind of remind me of Cynic. But they have a new album coming out this month called Void of Unending Depths. And it's now one of my most anticipated of the year because I've been listening to this remastered album so much. I really like it. It's like, it's so weird to be surprised to find something I haven't heard.

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that I like this much. So that's the first one. My second album is Erskek Thra on Alerta Antifascista Records. This is an atmospheric posthume love letter to the Dark Crystal, if you remember that film. Of course. Yes. It incorporates parts of the score from the film and metallizes them into the songs. So it's original music, but then the

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They have parts from the actual music of The Dark Crystal. And I love The Dark Crystal. I've seen the movie about a hundred times. And I watched the TV show that came out a couple years ago now, I think. I've watched the whole thing twice through. So this hits me in all my childhood feels and my metal feels. I don't know if the childhood feels are quite appropriate, but okay. Yeah. And it's just an excellent record.

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The singer is Alex CF, who was in one of my all-time favorite bands, Fall of Ephrafa, which I've talked about many times on here. That's the bunny one. Yeah, that's right. He does trilogy albums based on something either in literature or sci-fi, and that was on Watership Down. And that is Dark Crystal. So this is great. This is really good. This dude is a nerd.

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Yeah. And he also happens to sing on the next album on our list, which is Moro on the Quiet Earth. Also, on Alerta Antifascista Records. I like just saying that. This is the band's third record. And in the end of a trilogy, like I just said, Alex does these interesting trilogies he likes to write. He's written books. He's an artist. And this is a trilogy about the Knorr,

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which is this nomadic 45th century tribe trying to survive in a society that's ravaged by technology and war. So it's an aggressive, epic, neocrust metal record. There's tribal instrumentation in it, just really stunning arrangements. Neo-zoomed weebies. Yeah. And it just has an overall emotional soundscape that pulls out the

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you in and makes you feel the story of this world that they've constructed for for three

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albums so i'm a big fan of uh of alex i actually just asked him if he would do art for by the

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horns my car nice so uh might be cool if he does it maybe maybe we can even have him on because he's

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does he's got two albums out this year and he's doing art um the next album i have on my list is a zob

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Summoning the Cataclysm. Just a really ultra-dynamic progressive death metal. From Pakistan. Lots of technical flourishes on there. There's even a robot voice at the end of the last track. So think high-level ripping death with sound waves from Transformers showing up to close shit down. They're more than meets the eye, honestly. It is. It really is. I didn't know what to expect because we get so many great death metal albums.

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You never know. This one really is great. Yeah. So I'm going to mention this later, but since we're talking about it, the album, I pre-ordered the album, even though I knew it was Friday. It wasn't out. I was like, I know I'm going to get fucked on this one because that's how it is with Bandcamp. And so, but I was like, this is too good not to get. So I'm just, I've got all my other purchases. I'm just going to go ahead and get it. And then I ordered it. And of course it wasn't available, even though it should have been out.

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And so I went into band camp and wrote to the band and I said, hey, release this shit. You know, people pre-ordered this stuff. Come on. And they wrote me back. It like released like five minutes later. So you did a charge. She influenced the band. It was me. It was me. And they even wrote me back and said, hey, sorry. Here it is, asshole. Yeah. Speaking of which. Speaking of assholes.

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You called me? Matt has arrived. Get your toilet paper. It's not quite your turn yet. You're just going to have to wait. You're just going to have to wait. But we are on what we are listening to, and it is Markisan. So you're up next. So get your shit ready. I still have a bunch more to go. We got a laptop out. All right. Next one for me is Wraithstorm, Unseen and Unseen.

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This is an independent release. It's Killer New Funeral Doom that features past and present members of Judicator, Project Roanwolf, and Soulmass. Nice! It's one 37-minute track filled with a sky of dark emotion and just heavy clouds of dread. Next one is Helpless Caged in Gold on Church

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This is a really sharp and crushing mix of grindcore, noise rock, and it has elements of death and blackmail. It's really energetic. I love throwing this on when I feel like I need to smash stuff. George, you might like that one, actually. Help smash. Helpless. Pretty good. All right, I'll check it out. And then the next one is Alpha. All that has never been true on Vendetta Records.

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This is one of my favorite black metal albums of 2022 so far. It's drenched in evil atmosphere and I would say a post-black progressive sauce, if you will. So lots of slowed down, almost ambient parts stirred in with the devastation. Yeah, that's a really good record. Nice. Next one is Golgothan Remains, Adorned in Ruin.

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Ruin Laboratories. There's a lot of great death metal this year, but there's something about this album and the massive darkness on the record that just catches my ear more than most. If you can imagine, it's almost like the band sounds like a mix of old incantation and ulcerate to me. So the vocals are just fucking lead heavy, but every once in a while the vocalist admits this like,

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Unexpected Wailing Shriek that completely catches me off guard. And just freezes my soul or something. It's pretty good. I really like this one. And then, as I mentioned earlier, I did have one album on my list that's not metal. And it is Third Secret self-titled Independent Release. We've been talking a lot about 90s rock lately.

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So I felt like I had to mention this one because this record was a surprise drop. This came out a few days ago. Right. And it's a super group with Kim Thale of Soundgarden. Oh, OK. That's right. Chris Novoselic of Nirvana. Yeah. Matt Cameron, who's in Pearl Jam and was in Soundgarden. Yep. And it's it's this mid tempo alternative folk rock record. So it's pretty different stuff than what these guys have played before.

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But I'm quite enjoying it. His female vocals has two female singers on it. And it's just really cool to see these musicians I adored in the 90s. Can we talk with Mark of Arth a lot about the 90s stuff? So it's really cool to see these 90s musicians get together and do something just completely new and different. So this is the Envy of None of the 90s. I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot better than Envy of None, I think. Well, I haven't heard it yet, so I can't.

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I have to give envy of none another shot. I think I was so fixated, you know, on Geddy Lee, on Neil Peart. Yes. I think I wanted it to be a little more rush like, I guess. Yeah. You know, you kind of have to get over that, you know, because I miss rush. Of course. So I have to give it more of a shot. But I did really like this third secret record. I wish it would get a little heavier at points, you know, it's kind of in that mid range.

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I want to listen to this now.

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It doesn't really deviate much.

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I heard about this, but I didn't listen to it.

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I can throw that in the box, too, if you want.

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And yeah, that's what I got.

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Matt's turn.

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All right.

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Matt is here.

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Matt, Josh.

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Josh, Matt.

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Hey, good to meet you, Josh.

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Do you have any questions for Josh?

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At the moment, I don't.

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Just putting you on the spot there, buddy.

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Cannot love that beard anymore, though.

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I will say that.

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Okay, so what have I been listening to? So I started the book When Giants Walked the Earth, which is the unauthorized, McWall's unauthorized story of Led Zeppelin. So I've been listening to a ton of Led Zeppelin. I also surprisingly got into, and it was my first Megadeth album that I really kind of took in and digested. And like when I see you guys know so much about so many bands and so many albums,

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This is the Megadeth album I know and that is Countdown to Extinction. I saw an ad and it had skin in my teeth and so I jammed that out quite a bit. Psychotron, Captive Honor, those are two songs that really stand out to me a lot. We got a second Wormrot track from the new album Hiss. Can't wait for that. Oh my god. I love Wormrot and those two songs so far are better than any Wormrot I've heard. They're just thrashy and I love the shit out of them.

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We got a new Temple of Void track, which I pre-ordered. The vinyl on. We got a new Tombs track. Yeah. There was that new Summerlands EP. I'm sorry. Go ahead, George. I'm just like, why does fucking Mike have to keep putting out EPs? Put out an album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The last EP was an album, Link. Well, it started off as an EP and turned into an album, but this one's pretty much an EP. He's got a new guitar player, too. So, you know, just new

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New Summerlands EP, which I think was two songs, one of which was a Fleetwood Mac cover. I don't know if the other was a cover or not. I didn't dive in too much. It's a new single. Okay. Yeah. And then really the one thing I listened to that I really loved that stood out to me, I believe the band is called Yatra, Y-A-T-R-A. It's a pre-order right now, but they have a track out. Really sludgy, just really intense sludge.

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I really dig it so that is what I've been listening to

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alrighty

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and glad you could make it

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thanks for waiting

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no we'll always wait for you

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alright

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from there we go to John

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okay so I won't have much to say

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because we've already talked about a lot of these albums

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so yes I

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also checked out the Azab album

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and it's cool

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death metal like Marcus

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I was saying with these proggy elements, but it's like early 90s prog deathy stuff, not anything new, which is kind of cool, but it still sounds great. Envy and Nunn, which Markisan doesn't like, but it seems like the rest of us do. That's just for fun. Oh, he's not even here. What's the point of even saying it? Damn it. Epitaph, we talked about the Maros Mealy. We've talked about. Mary Smelly.

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Yes. And then bringing in the sax core format, I've been digging into the whole Burial in the Sky catalog. Wow. But I wanted to dig a little further because I've been listening to Fractual Universe a lot lately. And it's all these kind of newer proggy death bands that have joined the sax core list. So, you know, they throw a little sax in there.

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And then the album that has absolutely dominated my whole week is an album called Rush Live in YYZ 1981, which is finally after, I guess it would be, this would be four years this year, not last, not 1981 when Moving Pictures came out, but when Exit Stage Left came out, that was kind of like there's a little hodgepodge album they put together from a show in Montreal during the,

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Moving Pictures Tour, and they finally released the full version of that tour, but from Toronto. That's why it's called YYZ, because that's the airport call letters for the city. And it's the full show, and it's not touched up. It actually sounds raw. The drums actually sound like they're from a live show and not cleaned up like parts of Existage Left are. And it's absolutely just fucking glorious listening to two straight hours of them at their absolute peak.

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from their best period.

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It's so worth the exorbitant fee that Jay and I paid for that damn box.

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But that live album is just amazing.

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So I've waited a long time.

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I had an old boot from the same tour from Chicago that sounded like absolute shit.

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And I never listened to it because it was one of the worst boots I ever had.

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But it was that tour and I finally got it.

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So that's been dominating my whole week since I got that box.

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Understandable.

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Yeah, it just sounds so good.

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And Markisan Scott pizza. Yep. Yeah, but he doesn't know we're talking about him because he's like focused on the pizza, not the headphones. There he is. He's like nom nom nom nom nom nom nom. Was that pizza or was that something else, George? Oh, no, no, that was me with Matt. Sorry. Yep. We're in Baltimore. Yeah. All right. Are you good, John? Yeah, I was going to say,

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I have a ton of non-metal stuff, but I'm not going to mention that. All right, then Jay. Well, I wish I could say I was listening to the box set, but I live further away from the distribution center than John does, apparently. Also ordered it a few days after John, so maybe he got the first wave. Patience, young Padawan. I wish it had come on the weekend, though. If you desperately need it, Jay, I'll put it in the box for it. Or if anyone else wants it. I would take the live show. Yeah.

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Is there digital downloads or something that they gave you? No, man. I ripped that shit into flack. Would you mind putting a live record out? I'd be honest with you. All right. I've been listening to... I've been kind of catching up with this stuff in the box lately. I don't think I'm going to mention anything in the box, but I've been listening to everything. Also, by the way, Matt, I know there was a Zeppelin officially sanctioned or

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What do you call it? Documentary that came out. And they, I know it even had its like debut, but I've never heard of nothing about it since. So somewhere out there is a new Zeppelin documentary that the band all went to the like grand release in London and shit. And then dropped it on the face of the earth. That wasn't that long ago. So I would, I'll be on the hunt. I'm down for that. Okay. Also, if you don't have the renowned and much beloved Led Zeppelin DVD that came out,

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How the West was won? No, no, no. The DVD one that's got live shows from Royal Albert Hall. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing How the West was won because it's phenomenal, really. I mean, it just, like, anytime you're in a shitty mood when you put that on, you're good. Jay, whatever you're talking about, I will definitely see that. It's literally just called Bud Zeppelin. It's a DVD and it's got, the best thing on it is them live in the Royal Albert Hall.

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from Zeppelin 3 tour. And it's when everybody was at their peak, Robert's voice was like, Robert's was like Led Zeppelin 1 voice. And then there's some of the acoustic stuff on there. There's Royal Earl's Court show. There's a few things. It's totally worth your time. All right. But I've been listening to this kind of cool death novel record I got recently called Disfuneral Blood Red Tentacle. I like the Abath record. I've had that on a few times. It took me a while.

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get to it but that new satan record is actually really good earth infernal um for those who don't know satan they're a kind of new wave of british heavy metal band um have you heard the good news about satan and they are still um and they're still plugging well they were gone for a long time but now they're back and they are still plugging away in a new wave of british style that's great um i hadn't listened to that nightfall record that came out i think that's really good i'm not necessarily been

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a night fell fan for a long time or anything but i thought i better check it out i did

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this new thing from the dude from neurosis i guess i'm kind of a big post-metal doomy mood

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yeah i dig that yeah a record called play god that's really good um i agree with everybody i have i don't

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think the temple avoid records have all rated as high with me as as you guys they're sort of i've

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chemist them a little bit but i i love this new track i think it's great totally excited about the

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record. And I've never disliked their other stuff. It's just, I have a feeling this is going to be a really fucking potent record. And then lastly, one that has turned out to be one of my favorite records of the year so far without question. They, and I didn't know them before. They're a doom band and they've been around for at least a few releases, but they're called MESSA. M-E-S-S-A. Yep. I can't recommend their new record enough. It's called Close. And it is this big doomy experiment with all,

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There's some sax on there, man. But that tells you nothing about it. It's ethereal and weird and mystical and Indian. I don't know what's going on with this record, except it is thoroughly entertaining every time I listen to it. I liked this better than the... I apologize. Feast for Water, their first record, was on my list the year it came out. It was. I just remembered that. Yeah. I hadn't

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really been into them in the past but i listened to this and i was well i did i got about

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halfway and i was like all right it deserves more i'm like all right i get this this is cool

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i'm pleasantly surprised that i just now discovering that that feast for water was them i totally

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forgot that's just one of those names that comes and goes from your head no matt you like that record too

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yeah well actually in the last episode i had it on my what i've been listening to

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This one? Okay. I love it, dude. This is so good. It's super entertaining. That covers it other than just like lots of little things here and there and all the old school shit I generally put in. But I'm trying to get all caught up and get ready for mid-year. So I'm just making sure I can get my feet in the water so that I feel well informed. Indeed. Georgie? Eight. Oh, wait. Actually, one last thing. I spent time listening to both of the records.

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from the Thunderdome just because they weren't necessarily records that I've ever owned. In fact, I never owned either of them, but I did make sure I listened to them several times. Nice. Way to preview. All right. My list, I've got 10 albums. First up, mentioned twice already, I believe, Azab, Summoning the Cataclysm, first death metal album from Islamabad, Pakistan band. Very nice. They responded to me, as I said, on Bandcamp.

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Next up, didn't expect to like this one, even though I've liked them in the past. The new Cancer Bats album, Psychic Jailbreak, kind of a sludgy hardcore band from Toronto. I love Cancer Bats. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, my tastes wander, but this album fucking rocks. I mean, this is probably, I'm just going to probably say it, look up and down, look up and down, probably my album of the episode. Have you listened to the other albums?

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because they all rip. I have. I have. But depending on where I am musically, it doesn't necessarily connect. I see, George. Okay. Next up, I don't know how to pronounce this. I'm guessing it's Darker, but it's Darker. D-A-R-K-H-E-R. The Buried Storm is the second album of Dark Folk. This is my non-metal album from Northern England. This is a female.

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It's just really dark

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and doomy. It's not

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metal at all, but it's very dark

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and it's pretty and

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me likey.

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It's good. I listen to it too.

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Yeah, it's very cool.

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Next up, I got

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this tip from James Lewis of Decibel

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Magazine. Disfuneral

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Blood Red Tentacle

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also mentioned, I believe, by

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Markazan.

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It's their first album. They're a French death metal band. And wow. This is the first album. Where are we going? I think Jay mentioned that one. I didn't have that on my list. Oh, Jay. Sorry. Yeah, one of you guys. Alcohol. What are you going to do? Sleep. Sleep. So this is a last minute addition to my list. The band is called El Morta. And it's their first EP.

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called TAK1.

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They're an Irish Death Doom band featuring members of Morning Beloved.

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My friend Derek Weston of Ireland suggested this, and I was like, holy shit, let me listen to this.

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And it's a couple of really good, cool songs, so check that out.

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This one feels like it's old, but it's since last episode, so I'm going to mention it anyway. They knew Eucharist album, I Am The Void, their third album, and their last album was only 25 years ago. They were previously a melodic death metal band, and now they're like an old-school black metal band, and this came so close to being my album of the month for March.

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So good stuff. Very, very good stuff. Check it out. This next one is going to give me a lot of problems. Main Garm. They're a Swedish Viking metal band and their 10th album, which I'm going to call Ode to Yngwie Malmsteen. It's like Yingling Gaten's Ode.

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Let's just go with Ingve Malmsteen's ad. Swedish Viking metal. If you like this style of music, you will probably like this. And me, I like it. Moving on to what was my album of the month last month, The Nest, Her True Nature. This was the first and probably only album from this band, is an all-star band, featuring members of Wolven Nest, Primordial,

02:59:19.119 --> 02:59:19.520
Duel,

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the ruins of Beverast and Saturnalia temple.

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Much like the,

02:59:26.460 --> 02:59:26.600
uh,

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uh,

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uh,

02:59:30.900 --> 02:59:31.080
shit.

02:59:31.140 --> 02:59:31.460
What was that?

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Celtic frost?

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Yeah.

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The Celtic frost,

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uh,

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commissioned album.

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This was commissioned by roadburn.

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Uh,

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I don't know why,

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but,

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uh,

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it was a really good album.

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And it was my album of the month for March.

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It's kind of,

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uh,

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Did they commission him first to play live and then the album came after that? I can't remember how it came about. The Celtic Frost thing? No, no. This band. I didn't actually read the story about how it came about. I just know that it was commissioned by Roadburn. Okay. That is interesting. I feel like they show up. They're doing stuff like that. Yeah, I feel like these bands get together and do stuff live and then the album comes somehow from it. Yeah. I don't know. I hate to sound uninformed, but where is it?

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It was a road burn.

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England?

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Netherlands.

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Netherlands.

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Yeah, that's what I meant.

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It's on our list, Jay.

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Yeah, Netherlands.

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But this is a really interesting album.

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I mean, it's like very atmospheric.

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That's the word I'm looking for, John.

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Ethereal.

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Ethereal kind of stuff.

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Mixed with black metal and obviously

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people like

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the dude from Primordial

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It's pretty

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doomy too in a lot of parts

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It is and it just

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kind of blew me away because it's like

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most of the songs the first like minute or two

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is like very ambient

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ambient is the word I was looking for very ambient

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and then it just

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kicks into some sort of

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and

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it just blew me away

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So album of the month last month. It's good. Two more. Uh, pharmacist flourishing extremities on unspoiled mental grounds. This is the second full length album from this Japanese grind death band, death grind band. Uh, they have like many, many splits and EPs and things like that, but this is their second full length album and it fucking rips. If you like, you know, grind core and stuff like that.

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And my last one, looking at this, you wouldn't know how to pronounce it, but I looked it up. It's spelled X-A-O-C. Yeah. Apparently pronounced chaos, according to the internets. Hmm. And the album is called Proximi Mortis, and it is the first and seemingly only album. They're a Virginia death metal band that got together, recorded many years ago, broke up,

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And like one of the guys I think maybe got together and and

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rerecorded the album. It sounds like all I know is it fucking rips.

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That's really good. Yeah. So about that one. Yeah, I did too. And I don't think we're going to be hearing anything more from them, but it's a good album.

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Cool, George. Well, I also have the darker Buried Storm Deluxe Edition if you want that too. I bought that one. I was smart enough. I was like, ah, extra track. Prophecy seems to always do a regular and a deluxe. Yeah. So luckily I picked up on that one. All right. It is time for the Metal Thunderdome. Matt, take it away. Yo.

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So my picks. Basically, I love old school death metal, but I know nothing about old school death metal per se. I feel like the more I try and get into it, the less I remember, although I have no memory whatsoever. That's part of the problem. But one band that is kind of my middle of the road any day is Death. But when you look at Death, I feel like everybody that's on this podcast right now,

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was in the band Death because there's been so many members besides Chuck. And so I started kind of comparing, researching, you know, who was in Death, where did they go after that? And four bands that came out of that, like, thought process, because there's many more, but one was Autopsy, Massacre, Repulsion, and Sadist. And what's interesting about Sadist is I feel like Sadist was my first old school death metal,

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Kind of like what I got into. The album was The Vision of Misery. Other stuff I got into was more like the, you know, Slayer and Metallica. But Sadist was definitely that death metal band. And so I kind of spent some time going through those four bands and the albums they had, how they lined up with, you know, timelines, what albums came out when. And I kind of came to Autopsy, Severed Survival, Sadist, Swallowed in Black.

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And after many hours of listening,

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you don't have to go.

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You can go second.

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What's that?

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You can go last.

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You're supposed to go.

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Oh,

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yeah.

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You're supposed to go.

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Oh,

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okay.

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Well,

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good.

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I'm glad I didn't give it away.

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Josh goes first.

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That's where I'm at.

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All right.

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What are you drinking?

03:04:54.740 --> 03:04:55.760
A hammer heart.

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Yeah.

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It's the last beer brewed at their line of lakes facility is called stone circle.

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It is Imperial gravel ale.

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It's a,

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basically like a smoked dark ale.

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And it's really good.

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When you come visit me, you will bring me all the Hammerheart.

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I know.

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You are so lucky to be in the Hammerheart area.

03:05:17.260 --> 03:05:17.720
My backyard.

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It's like all I've got is Atlas, you know?

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And anyway, this is a great pick.

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I have a special place in my heart for these bands.

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So that's a really good pick.

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Right on.

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But Josh gets to go first.

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Right.

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Oh.

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Well, I'm not well-versed in either one of these bands, unfortunately. George sent me the two bands that were going to be going against each other. I listened to both of them. And Sadist Head has... I was never really huge into the old-school death metal. I mean, you know, Bolt Thrower. We talked about that already.

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I really, really, really, really love Bolt Thrower and still do. But Sadist has a very strong Death Angel feel to me. It's thrashier. Yes, yes, yes. And so if I were going to have to go with one over the other, it would be Sadist. All right. Right on. Perfect. Magazon. Yeah, like I said, it was a tough one for me.

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I'm a big fan of Sadis, especially this early period, because I think they just perfectly balanced death and thrash with that killer technicality at a time when bands, I think, were really finding their footing, navigating genres and styles of extreme metal. So Swallowed in Black happens to be my favorite record from Sadis. I love the debut, but this is just a heavier, more technical, more death note.

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A Medley Affair, which is how I like it.

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So as good as Autopsy's Severed Survival is, I think the innovativeness of Sadist at the time, the musicianship, the bass player is amazing.

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Actually, both.

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Got DiGiorgio?

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DiGiorgio.

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Yeah, DiGiorgio is freaking a god.

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But actually, the bass on both albums is really good.

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But just the complexity on Swallowed in Black, it just wins it out for me. Yeah, just a great Death Thrash merging. Unbelievable good. Underrated album, by the way, too. Underrated band. Yeah, yeah. So there you go, two for Sadis. All right, John. So I know both bands, but like Josh, I'm not as well versed in them as you guys.

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Although I do know both of them. And initially looking at this, it seems like Sadist would be the band I go with because of the technical thrash aspect to them. Because I do like that early technical thrash stuff that was coming out. Specifically bands like Watchtower and Corner, Mekong, Delta. A band that George helped me finally get a hold of after all these years of Bolivian, which most people don't know about them, but they are just unbelievable.

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So I like that part, but I'll be honest. I wasn't as captivated by their thrashier aspects. And I found myself gravitating more towards the autopsy because of the older, old school death metal sound. And the funny thing is, is I didn't even listen to the right album. I actually listened to their second album more this week. This fucking album is amazing. And then I looked at the list. I was like, Oh, fuck me hard.

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So I'm back and listen to the first one. I was like, well, I like this one. They're both good albums. Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the same. So I just, for some reason, I didn't gravitate to the Thrasher aspect of them. Even though I know they're a combination of death and Thrasher period. So I ended up actually really liking the Autopsy a little more. And so I'll go with them. Even though it's more the second album from Autopsy.

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But I tend to think from everything I've read about them that those are the two albums obviously from them that are that really stand out. So. All right. Jay. Same boat as John and that I certainly wear these bands and I think it's safe to say I've never owned anything by either of them. But they're very much in the zone of a lot of things that I like very much.

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I'm going off on a great descriptive thing about how I chose, except it was actually very similar to John's and various with a very similar result. I think knowing that I kind of tend to gravitate towards Celtic Frost and that kind of weird, dark, underproduced version of metal, at least that's a big part of my heart. And Autopsy is way closer to that than the status is. Plus, also, I just appreciate that style of

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more on the autopsy record. And it's just, I totally get what you guys are saying about the kind of technical aspect. But the truth is, is that there's something really visceral to me about those non-technical records. It's the same reason all of us, with some exceptions, might on one day say that Scream Bloody Gore is our favorite death album. Right now it is. Even though it's the least technical from any standpoint. So all of that goes.

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It goes into, I think, explaining why I very easily gravitated towards the Autopsy record. So that's my choice. I definitely liked it better than the other one. All right. So we're two and two at this point. Luckily, I am not the tiebreaker. That'll be Matt's decision. I love both these bands. And so when Matt told me what this was, I was like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be hard. And I, uh,

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I like DeGiorgio. Gotta love DeGiorgio. Just say it. DeGiorgio. For man. DeGiorgio. It's not takeout. It's DeGiorgio. And of course Autopsy. You know one of the classic death metal bands. So it was a tough decision. And

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It was one that I kind of said, all right, I'm just going to wing it because I could go either way, which is typical for me. If only we were here. But I am going autopsy just because I like the death, the aspect more right now. That's where I am.

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But I love both bands. So. Matt. So the one thing I forgot to mention was with Autopsy, it's the drummer. Is it Chris Reford? Yes. Yes. From. Yeah. He was in death. Just a step back. Massacre included like Cam Lee, Rick Ross, Terry Butler, Bill Andrews, Repulsion, included Matt Levo and Scott Carlson. And then as we've mentioned, say this, Steve.

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DeGiorgio, which again, it was a beautiful name, beautiful name to pronounce.

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What's interesting is when you look at like classic death metal albums, I do see Severed Survival mentioned numerous times. I don't ever hear about Sadis. Even when we're not looking at this, I never hear anybody talk about Sadis, whereas Sadis was this band that brought me into what is now death metal.

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And as you know, when we look at it from a group aspect, like I love both albums,

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Sadist is a little bit, you know, more technical, more thrashy,

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on topsy, more slow and low. You know, I don't want to say doom, but you definitely,

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there are instances of doom, but it's definitely, you know, your lower end death metal.

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Yeah. But just because, and John, to your point, I actually listened to that other

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I love it just as much.

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So because I was just trying to just take in as much as I could.

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But for me, I have to go and say that Swallowed in Black.

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We are tied.

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We need Will.

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More of the people.

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We need a lifeline.

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Calling Will.

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Well, unsatisfying.

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Yes.

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I will say real quick, Matt, you confused me with this because

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I thought it was the Italian band Sadist.

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Sure.

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S A D I S T.

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And I was like,

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Oh,

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well,

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this is going to be six.

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I liked them.

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And I was like,

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Oh,

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it's say dust,

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not say this.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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No,

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I say this is definitely underrated compared to,

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I think so,

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you know,

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but I've always been a big fan of them.

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So,

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yeah,

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but anyway,

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we'll see what the people on Facebook think.

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And we'll try and get Will's opinion too. We will. I predict Dodd-Tapsoe will probably win on Facebook. Because I think Matt's right. I think the status is slightly less known. I don't know if it's underappreciated. Sometimes under known is a better word than underappreciated. Because there was so much coming out too at this time. These both came out. Which by the way, well chosen too. Because they both came out within a year of each other. And that's what I was kind of aiming for. Which actually, that was a very interesting thing to me.

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They are pretty different sounding records and that's okay. It's just, I was, we were talking about extreme metal earlier and, um, with Georgia, we're talking about the transition to like getting your ears transitioned to the extreme metal. And you can sometimes forget that we went like that. The transition overall in the sort of global sense happens so fast. Like it went from sort of like the heaviest thing out there being, I don't know what, like, let's just say show no mercy or something by Slayer or something. And then it just devolved into absolute,

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It got so extreme so fast. And I don't know if Shona Mercy was the right call out there. So it's interesting how much they were innovating by the time we got to 89 and 90, which is when these came out. That's definitely a genre that has got pushed really hard in the best kind of way. Yeah, it's a great pick. And tied, clearly a great pick because we're getting locked. I don't think that's ever happened.

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I know Will's not here but that's never happened before

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I guess it was never

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yeah I just texted him I'm like dude

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Sadis or autopsy

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question mark question mark question mark

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I'm like we're recording we need this

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I think he's a big autopsy fan

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I think he would probably go autopsy

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but

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editor's note I was wrong Will chose Sadis

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Sadis wins

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the sad thing is

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to your point Jay I don't think a lot of people

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today

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was bands that had technical thrash in their sound. Yeah. Because honestly, it was over a lot of people's heads. They just didn't get it. And if you, if you started with the Sadis album first and then went back and listened to the autopsy, you may not grasp what they're doing on that Sadis album because it is a very technical album. I mean, there's nothing left, you know, in the shed. They take everything out and just let it rip. And I think that's,

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I think that's a good point John because you know what if I let's pretend that we were at the very early days of extreme metal and I haven't heard that much extreme metal and I hear the status record and then the autopsy record came out the next year and then we had this contest I would probably say say this and I'd be like why did autopsy go backwards like that even though even though they are both like really well accepted perfectly legitimate things to even do now you know yeah and and so it's not

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I probably would have been like well come on.

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You made a good point earlier Jay which is you know it doesn't always have to be the most like technically proficient album to speak to you you know it can be just a visceral death metal album you know that you just really gravitate towards it doesn't have to have because I feel like the status has just more going on in it.

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Oh it definitely does.

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Part of it.

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Oh yeah.

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So, you know, but for me that, you know, that's what I liked. I liked that they mixed the death and the thrash, you know, but for other people's a little different. That's fine. No. And, you know, I mentioned the Celtic Frost and really the record that kind of came to mind vocally and in a couple other spaces was Morbid Tales while I was listening to the autopsy record. And Morbid Tales might have been, could have been recorded by dinosaurs. You know what I mean? Like that record is not like a really skillfully delivered record, but it's,

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still is a definitive. Yeah. There's some painful transitions on that album. There are, there are, but that's the charm of the album though. Well, I would love to sit down with you and listen together sometimes, John, because there's one that I thought was a painful transition forever and never and ever. And I was listening to the other, well, a while ago and I was like, wait a second, that's actually right. That's actually correct. Yeah. Cause it sounds like the drum slow down or something, whatever, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. But anyway, yes, Markisan your right. Sometimes it's more about feel.

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and I guess the feel of the autopsy.

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No, I think it should be that.

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It's how you respond emotionally to music.

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It doesn't necessarily mean that it's the most skillful or the kitchen sink is in there.

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That doesn't matter.

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It's just how you respond to it.

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But then there's bands like Carcass that somehow managed to do both for me.

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Really, and that is one of the things that stands out about that band.

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And many others besides could do that too. But that's why I think they dominate that genre the way they do. Yeah. When I, when I listened, I listened to Sadist first and I was like, Avi, you know, this is totally going to be my pick. And then I listened to the autopsy and I was like, Oh yeah, good point. I was like, all right. I was like, this is kind of more where I'm at right now.

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It's like I love them both, but this is where I'm at. Well, they were good choices, man. That was a fun one. Yeah. Clearly, clearly. And I'm dying to see what the public says and then also what Will says, but I think you're right, Mike. Let's say autopsy. I think he's going to go autopsy. They always go against my pick. Always. Always. But I feel like he's talked about them in the past a number of times. I don't know why. Autopsy?

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them at Death Fest? Yes. No, they might have been at Decibel one year. I'm trying to think. I thought I could have sworn. We'll have to ask him who we went and interviewed in the back trailer at Death Fest. I was with him. Well, there was November's Doom. You guys interviewed Satan. I wasn't for Satan. It was all the way in the back, so you couldn't even hear the music, but it wasn't that loud. It wasn't Wombath, was it, Jim? Wombath.

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Yeah. No, no. I'll have to ask him. I can't remember who it was that we went. And I had nothing to say because I was like, I don't know. It wouldn't have been autopsy if I'd been there. I'd have been like, oh. But I'm not to say we've seen him at one of the things. I feel like, I just feel like we saw him at one of the fests and he was really big on it, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah. I feel like that was decibel and it was incantation. But just saying. No. Yeah.

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That happened. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I can't remember. The world will never know. The world is not enough. No, James, no. All right. Well, we are at the end and there's only one more thing to do. And that is to pick our album of the episode. Josh.

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All the music that has been mentioned this evening, what is your pick that you like the most? I, after listening to the, uh, in, uh, I will give it a shot. I will probably butcher it also. Yeah. I believe that if you, you're supposed to roll the R's. So it's Marius Melly. Marius Melly. Yeah. Marius Melly. Anyway.

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It's just that's kind of where I'm at right now. It's with all the folk elements and, you know, folky, as John said, you know, that doesn't sound very cool, but whatever, you know, pagan, whatever you want to say. Pagan makes it really scary. Hey, man, like I like the darker and you say dark folk. I'm in. So, yeah, no, that one. I just, you know, I didn't have a like I said, it takes me a long time to kind of absorb songs and albums and

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in bands. But in the time that I had, that one really, really stood out to me. I'm really going to give that one a lot more attention. So that one, that would be my pick. That does not surprise me. If their first album was Spin 2, I think you might like that one also. Not as folky, aka pagan. Actually, it is. It's very pagan, but not as bulky. Yeah, for sure. I'll check it out. Thanks. Hey, Markeson. Well, I was going to

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I'm going to go with Sadist because Spalvin Black is classic to me, but I'm making an audible on this one. I'm going to go with a more current record. I'm going to go with the remastered Inanna album I mentioned, Converging Ages, because I just adore finding a great album unexpectedly because it doesn't happen that often these days. Nice. I get it. All right, Matt.

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So as I'm coming into this midway, has anyone mentioned Mastodon's Leviathan? No. Mastodon has been mentioned, but I don't think Leviathan has. So then I will go with Sadie is Swallowed in Black. All right, John. So all these albums I listened to were great this week, but Markisan just said something that ties into this.

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There are a few things that make you super happy music. One is discovering a new band

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for the first time or being surprised like you were saying

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by a release or waiting a very very long time to get something.

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I waited 40 years to get this show.

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And so I'm going with Rush's Moving Pictures 40th anniversary.

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Live in YYZ 1981. It's just.

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Fuck yes.

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I like live shows because while a lot of them suck on album, there are a lot that are great because I like to hear how a band sounds. I don't want to hear the album live. I don't want to hear word for word, note for note, lyric for lyric, all perfectly done like it is on the album. I want to hear some warts and scars and some interesting things and some improvs. And while this still sounds like note for note for the album, it just has that live feel.

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Yeah, I can't even describe how happy I am to get this. And also to let you guys know, it's up in the box if you want to listen to it. So noise. I'm loading it right now. It also has, Jay will remember this from the Exit Stage Left video, it has the full medley that they do at the end of the show, which they do the Bytorn to Snow Dog, and it goes into all their early stuff in the end, in the mood, and then it finishes with Grand Finale. But it also has the reggae version of Working Man.

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which is kind of wild to hear that. It opens up as a reggae version and then they do part of

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Hemispheres.

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They call me the working man.

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Yeah, actually it's

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which is kind of funny because the next album they have

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reggae influence on signals on the next album.

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Interesting.

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You know, it's funny too because

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I always felt Exit Stage Left

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was muddy.

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You know, or something about it.

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It just was underproduced somehow.

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So hopefully it writes that wrong too. They actually felt that they took away the live

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aspect and polished it too much. And I think in the process they took a lot of the bass out. It seems like it's hard to hear now. It's just like Geddes basically beating you over the head with his bass. Which is exactly how it should be. And the drums sound like, if anyone's familiar with All the World to Stage, that album, which is their first live album, it has that pop.

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and the drums and the snare that sound live. So it's a lot different. Awesome. Mine, just because it really is a record I'm really enjoying, and I just want to say it again in the hopes that some other people will check it out. So this one's me by way of Markisan, though I didn't realize that. And it's the third album from Doom Band Mesa album called Close.

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I'm not sure if it's close or clothes but either way right I'm just wondering did Jay like who's like well I have to listen to that because Markisan mentioned in the last episode we did or did he just completely ignore me and then found it on his own second one with no disrespect but the irony is because it had you said even if you did say it was clear that you did the name wouldn't have meant anything to me even though I really liked that feast for water so that's interesting that but that we hear so many bands that there are

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N.O.N.E. or names I forget. And it doesn't matter, you know, as long as you find the album that you really like. It's on my way. Yep. As mentioned previously, I think I'm going to go with Cancer Brats for my album of the episode, but because it's not entire, I mean, it's kind of, it's mostly metal, right? It's mostly metal. I wouldn't call it metal, but. Okay, well, there, there's my in. So my second pick, because I run the podcast,

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and I get to do what the fuck I want is Disfuneral. Blood Red Denticle is my second choice for album of the episode. That's fucking right. If you want a metal album, Disfuneral. If you want something that's maybe not quite metal, but it's really fucking cool, Cancer Bats. I almost saw Cancer Bats live in Spain. Really? I went to Spain, Tracy, and they were playing.

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And it was like this tiny little place. I actually went to the place and had just this little door with stickers all over it. I didn't even see what was behind it because it was so tiny. But I was in Spain with Tracy. I couldn't go see a concert in the middle of the night when we're hanging out. So I tried. I tried. I was like, maybe you want to come to the show. See the cancer bats in Spain. That reminds me of a completely unrelated episode, but semi.

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Years ago, I was driving through Pittsburgh because my brother was going to school there. And just down this like side road, driving along, and there was a bar, you know, as many bars are, there's like no windows. It's just like all wall, and there's a door, wooden door, and above it, it says Valhalla. And I was like, what the fuck is that?

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I was like, I need to go here. And, but, but I was, it was, it was like my brother's college graduation or something. And like, you know, there was, I was with my, my parents and there was no time to stop and, and, and, and look into this. And now it's gone. Well, I can tell you what it probably was. It was probably some shitty ass bar. Cause I know those bars because it's a, it's a whole, like you said, there's no windows, nothing. It's like a little like diamond shaped, like,

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a little window on the door that's covered up and he walked in. It's like four dudes like just hammered at the bar and that's it. And they're just playing shitty music. But it looked so fucking cool. I was like, oh my God, I need to go here. And you know, I've been to Pittsburgh many times since, but it's not there. Right. So what part of, do you remember what part of town it was in? I don't. But where your brother went to where he was. No, he went to Carnegie Mellon. So also, are you entirely sure you didn't hallucinate? I like, cause I, that whole sort of, if I went back, would it be there now?

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It's true. It could be one of those like

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it was there for a moment.

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Twilight Zone.

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Twilight Zone thing, yeah.

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Because it was that cool looking.

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Sure.

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Like this couldn't possibly exist.

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Least of all in Pittsburgh.

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In Pittsburgh, yeah.

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I'm glad you mentioned the Cancer Bats

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because they're one of those bands

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that kind of like straddles the line

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because it's hardcore punk really.

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It's not metal.

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Yeah.

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But there's a lot of bands like that

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that's heavy that I don't put on the metal list

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It's like their own. It's like a separate category, right? Yeah. But they are a great band. They always bring it. Yeah. When did your brother go to school in Pittsburgh? I'm sorry, I don't have to interrupt. Sometime in the last century. Okay. Seriously, I'd really have to think about that. Let me think about this hard for a second. Sorry, Algon. No, because I just found an article about a bar.

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the strip called Valhalla that closed in 2003. That sounds about right. It was probably right before that. It was probably right before that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll find it. Yeah. Will might know it too because he spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh too. Pittsburgh is a really cool place despite the fact that they have a hockey team that sucks a deck. Well, the only thing about Pittsburgh sports that I like is that little kid. Yes. Who does the like that and he's in the little

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I can deal with the Steelers. I can deal with the Pirates, but the Penguins suck a dick. No. Crosby sucks many dicks. Whatever. All right. Well, here we are. We are at the end. Josh, thank you for gracing us with your presence. Thank you so much. Good to meet you, Josh.

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Thank you so much for having me. It was fantastic to actually get to talk to everybody finally. And maybe if George thinks I'm worthy, maybe I can stop by again sometime. And maybe you should fucking come to MDF. I'm fucking telling you, dude. Fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking. No, I'm serious, man. You need to get on that motorcycle and you need to ride your ass down.

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here and fucking watch it.

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Well, he's old.

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He's old and he's crotchety and drunk.

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So I tried to capture that in my voice.

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Thank you.

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You didn't even have to show up tonight.

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We already have a bitchy member.

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But, you know, Black, if not, you're always welcome back.

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Well, if the weather's nice, I will definitely ride down.

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And for sure.

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Even if I don't necessarily go into the show, it would be fantastic just to hang out with everybody, even if I just came down for like a number of something. Love it. That'd be awesome, dude. If it's anything like the last time we were in the parking lot, we literally spent half the time in the parking lot. In the parking lot. Car drinking beers. Yeah. Listening to the bands. Yeah. Well, it would mean a lot to me if you did. Yeah, no, I would. And I'd love to meet everybody in person. That would be fantastic. So. We're all in for that. You know, the extra.

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The long ride would be awesome too. Yeah. Also, a weird fact, we're all four feet tall. So you'll see that if you come and see us. Well, he knows how tall I am, which is several inches shorter than him. Yeah, I know. I was going to say, George is not four feet tall. So, I mean, you know, but hey, whatever. Yeah. John's like eight foot. John is tall. Actually, John's probably a little taller than you, but only barely. I shrunk.

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I mean, how tall are you, Josh? What are you? Last time I went to the doctor, I was only six foot, a little bit over six foot when I remember clearly. Seriously? Yeah. I figured you were like six two. Wait, how tall are you, John? I'm six two now. I used to be six three. It happens. You start to shrink a little. Because I'm almost, I'm almost six foot. Yeah. I was six feet. I'm five 11 now.

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I'm all well last checked I was like eighth inch short of six foot so but you were always taller than me so I don't know maybe I've shrunk too you don't think we have that Benjamin Button thing do you how tall are you Matt I have that Benjamin Button to see 5'10 I'm only 5'8 and a half yeah but you're fucking sexy do you mean

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Wait, do you mean standing up or laying down? Arms tucked in. Standing up, I'm 7'4". I'm 5'10". Have you heard a shack? Oh, man. I don't even want to end it at this point. What's that? I don't even want to end it at this point. What can we talk about? Are we doing our best to go over four hours? Oh, we're over four hours.

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Oh, we're hitting five? No, we're just over four. We're just under four. Still a little over four. Yeah, so we got like seven minutes if people got stuff to say. So, Josh, what do you got to talk about? I don't have anything to talk about. Let's see. The Englings were a Viking dynasty, if you wanted to know. So I'm guessing that based on the name of the Mangarm album, it's something means

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something along the lines of young dynasty owed to young dynasty i don't know anyway i want to see that northman movie that's coming out yeah with a guy with a lighthouse with a dude from uh true blood and yep yep yeah and the girl from the witch and there's a lot of good actors and actresses from true blood uh will willem dafoe is in it no the blondish vampire guy the tall

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Eric Northman. His father was a famous actor. Yeah, he's in the Thor movie. Scarsguard. I just watched Zack Snyder's thing again, the Justice League, and liked it even better than the first possibly two times I watched it. I also just saw, I finally just saw Spider-Man No Way Home. I haven't seen that yet, so don't spoil it for me. I won't, except to say I fucking love

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I loved it. I mean, it was really good. Hey, is Markisan that? I know you've seen it, but has anybody seen the Batman? Yeah, I was. I haven't seen it. What did you think guys? I heard it's awesome. I love lots of hearts. Heart, heart, heart, heart. It might be my favorite. The previews look really fucking bad, but the reviews are really good. So good. Everybody's saying it's like a fucking horror movie. It's not even like an

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It's a lot like seven. Oh, okay. That's exactly. I mean, there's parts that I looked at. What's in the box? Earlier tonight, people were like, hey, you can ruin it for us. What movie was it like? And it was seven. I mean, it totally was like seven. So Catwoman's head in a box. Oh, no. Robin's head. Oh, my God. Come on, Robin.

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Oficial é o vídeo.

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in the storyline, what's not. Like, for instance, Halloween, I don't know if you guys knew this, the last Halloween that came out, that's actually a sequel to the first one. No, there's a Halloween too. And there's a third one. So the third one comes out pretty soon. Yes, it's on that. I'm like, why the fuck did I watch two, three bullshit? No, if you took like the Christopher Nolan movies and just made them more dark and twisted, that's what I would describe the Batman movies. I like those a lot, by the way.

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Yeah, I love those movies.

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Yeah, I love those movies.

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Or if you took, like, the Joker.

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Did you see that?

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Did you see the deleted scenes with the Joker?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it's, like, scary.

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Yeah.

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He's, like, scary and scary.

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Yeah, I mean, everyone's got this distorted view of Batman being, like, you know, Adam West

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and those tights.

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I'm like, you know, the dude's kind of fucked in the head a little bit.

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No, I mean, he's not all there.

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Well, and I think this one explores that more than any other ones.

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Yeah.

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He, in his mind, he is.

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que se ha hecho de la persona.

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real crime ridden place with this like unique history behind it yeah that i've never really felt before in the movies and this is the way pattinson moves like it's so slow and deliberate it's fucking creepy almost and like i i love robert pattinson like i even the twilight robert has it i love him and Markisan you mentioned i'm gonna edit that out just for you no put it in there i don't fucking care guilty pleasure

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You mentioned like you knew his indie stuff. So you dug him like the only thing I don't like is he just feels a little bit emo with his haircut and stuff. Like, yeah, it kind of bothers me. That's the thing. Like, yeah, that's true. That's what I, he's so emo with everything that happened. And it makes sense because of the trauma that had in his life. And he's stuck in this one particular role. He thinks that like, he's the Batman and that's how he's going to be able to get out. And he doesn't know any better. And I like that part of it. He's been,

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doing it for two years and he and through the course of me i'm not spoiling

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everything but it's like almost his eyes open up to where there's different possibilities of how to go

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about doing things and i like that yeah Markisan this reminds me then of the the dark knight

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four-part series that came out what was it in the 80s yeah remember the batman four-part where

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killing just like what's that killing joke nope no it didn't it was called the dark knight oh yeah

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And it was only four parts, but it threw like half of the Batman fans for a loop because he wasn't the Batman everyone was used to on TV. He was a bad dude in those things. And I was kind of like, okay, finally, they're making him darker. I know this is a whole different level, especially if it's kind of like the Joker. But I liked the version of Batman in Batman versus Superman. And I really wanted there to, for that to go somewhere. I really wanted there to be a Ben Affleck Batman movie.

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I like how he just scared the shit out of the fucking I mean I'm not comparing it to this because I haven't seen this yet but I was kind of hoping for that to go a little further and I also wanted Henry Cavill to stay Superman I liked him that I agree with yeah I actually love Man of Steel like people don't like it but I agree love it love it love it love it yeah favorite comic book movie Man of Steel honestly I love Man of Steel people always go on and on about like you know he killed Zod and

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everything and that he let this all happen but

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most of the time that they had the destruction at the end he wasn't even there he's

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fucking saving the planet because there's these fucking beams coming down and he's got to stop

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him he's not even there when the destruction's happening i'm not joking dude i see him i love that

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i love the avengers i love all that stuff but that man of steel far and away my favorite comic yeah i

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really like that one too i would like to see henry cavill do more well somebody tonight asked me

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someone asked me if it was more of a marvel guy or more of a dc guy in terms of film and like

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I am probably more of a DC guy. I just feel like the DC stuff is more artistic. And I love the Marvel stuff, especially for my kids because they latch on to it. But man, I really appreciate some of that darkness and that artistic. Joker was a great one. Did you guys also like Heath Ledger's Joker though? I loved him. I mean, I love the Nolan movies. I thought both were great for Joker.

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I thought you couldn't have done it any better to have a new one. Obviously, you had to. You had to have a choice. But I don't know about you guys, but just my favorite scene from all the bat, everything that I've done Batman is the whole hospital scene where he's walking. It's a fucked up scene. That wasn't what was supposed to happen. And he just kept going with it. And just that look. And I was like, fuck, this guy's a star. And then, of course, that's him. So that's stated. I honestly, I think the Avengers movies are amazing. I love the Marvel Universe stuff.

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But that stated number two for me might be Dark Knight Rises. That's such a good fucking movie. That's so fucking good. That's really good. Hey, John, have you watched the Heath Ledger documentary? Because I haven't. I kind of want to watch it. What is that? No, I should. There's a Heath Ledger documentary about his life. I didn't appreciate him early on. What's it called? Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I just want to know what it was called. Oh, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. What? I'm kidding. It's called Bookback Bowers.

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I think I first learned about him in that night movie. I hated that movie so much. I loved it. Oh, dude. I didn't say hate about you. He's playing to fucking Canterbury Pills, all right? Fucking stupid. I loved everything that Heath was in. Don't get me wrong, I love everyone in the movie. The movie's dumb. The documentary is called I Am Heath Ledger. Okay. I didn't watch it yet.

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So I had a crazy thing happen. Just switching topics. My cat got stuck in the wall for hours. So, you know, we had all the pipes replaced in the house. So the whole bathroom down here is like ripped up and the walls are ripped up. So in the kitchen, there's cabinets and you could actually go through the cabinets to get to the bathroom to go down and into the wall, into the basement.

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We put on child locks on two of the cabinets, but there was one that was kind of open. It's just one door and the cat opened it and went in it. And Nick, he always comes out and hangs out with me. And by like noon, I was like, where the fuck is the cat? So for hours, I searched for the cat. I was like frantic. It's like two days ago. I'm frantic looking for the cat. Now I have video cameras and alarm systems.

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So I can check to see when Tracy left, if the cat got out at the back door, it like shows if there's animals or something back there and nothing happens. Like he's got to be in his house. But I looked everywhere for hours. I had to get Tracy to come home and help me. Cause I was like distraught. Cause this is like, he's my family, you know? And I haven't seen him for like four hours. She comes home. We're in the basement searching yet again, probably like the sixth time.

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And he's in this little crevice in the ceiling. And he's freaked the fuck out. He's hissing. He's wailing. I've never heard this sound come from a cat ever in my whole life. And I think he was freaked out because I was freaked out going through the house, calling him, trying to find him the whole time. And I had to leave. He was focused on me. He was angry at me for some reason, even though it's his

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And I had to leave and she finally got him out of this freaking crazy. And my house is built in the 1920s. So this cat had 100-year-old dust and dirt all over him. And we had to clean him. It was just unbelievable. And no way wants to one-up that. And I didn't live through this. But my wife, they had an instance when she was a kid and they had a plumber come. And the cat got plastered into the hole.

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And then the guy covered up the wall

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because he was just doing his work.

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And then he had to come back and break it open.

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They found out pretty quick the cat was in there,

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but the poor cat was plastered in between the walls.

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Well, what's not, it's like, why don't they make a noise?

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You know, why didn't Zoso say anything to me when I was down there?

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Sugar doesn't.

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When we lock Sugar in the room, she'll talk to us.

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But when we lock our cat in the room by accident,

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she won't for that fucking word.

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And then after an hour, we're like, where's the cat?

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We just tore out a midfloor on our house in between two floors. So we have a midsection. We dropped it all the way down to the main floor. So our whole crawl space for the whole house was exposed. And we just went through that. And it was a royal pain in the ass. And we had some issues family-wise because of that. Because we couldn't have our cat here.

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Anyone who knows our cat, she's the smartest cat I've ever been around, but she's extremely athletic and she hunts 24-7 when she decides she wants to do something. And if she got down there, I can't crawl down there. It's only, you know, roughly just that I'd have half a foot above me to crawl through it. And it's the whole length of the house. And if she got down there. And so we had a lot of problems with that to the point where we had, like,

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I said, some family issues. And Jen had to actually end up going to a hotel with her for a while. Because we couldn't have her locked in the bedroom the whole time. That means her food, her box, she couldn't leave the room. And it was a real problem. And when we finally got that sealed up, it was just like, oh my God. Relief. Finally. Because that happened to us once. Our other cat once got into the crawl space and Jen just lost it. She freaked out. And I'm thinking, all right, I got to fix this. Which, you know, obviously we're not supposed to fix stuff when stuff happens.

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We're supposed to just listen. And I was like, that's not going to work in this case. And she tried everything and couldn't get him. And I was like, no, wait a minute. He's a cat. He likes milk. I literally put that bowl down. He came bolting out of that crawl space like it was nothing. I was just like, yes, save the day. It was awful. It was a horrible feeling. It is. And I'm glad she's okay. I mean, obviously that does suck, dude. Yeah, it's fine. And then we got magnetic locks. They're actually locks.

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and then you use the magnet to pull the locks apart so it's not like it's a magnet on there the magnet actually releases the lock which is crazy so shouldn't be a problem anymore but it also keeps going down there like he's super smart he opens everything i mean i fetch it i play fetch with them every single day so he's he's a pretty smart cat he just figures things out but that was like people gotta remember the house ownership i guess these are animals that sleep 18 hours a

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And then they literally stare out the window for like three hours a day. So this is like this small window of activity that you have to keep up with them. And they just they cannot be stopped. They are a force of nature for being one of the laziest animals on planet Earth. They're just so curious. They need to be in everything. Yeah. You move something. What is that? I got to see that now. I open a box. Cats in it. You know, it's ridiculous. Yeah. You crinkle a bag. Hey, what's going on?

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Is there any snacks in that bag? Unreal. Dog just rolls over and farts. I got no pretz. I got no problems. I don't really get stressed, but I was definitely stressed with that because if I can't, I couldn't find them. Alright, my butt hurts. I don't want to stand up. I guess that means we are done. Josh is almost past. I see Matt's eyes getting heavy over there. Actually, I like that.

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I guess that means we're done. I would like it to be. We're not done until Jay's butter. We are not done until Jay's butter. We are not done until Jay's butter. Wait, hold on. Stop talking. Jay, can you say that again? Yeah, we're not done until Jay's butter. All right. Well

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All right.

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My man.

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All right.

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Well,

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thank you everyone for coming.

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Thank you,

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Josh,

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for coming.

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Appreciate it.

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Nice to meet everybody.

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And,

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uh,

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we will see everyone next time.

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All right.

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Good night.

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Bye,

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brothers.

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See you guys.

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Bye.

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Reason 21, I never got into metal. During my teenage years, it didn't seem like the best soundtrack for what I like to spend most of my days doing, which was jerking off to the swimsuit issue.

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KCASIE CASEN seemed like a better fit for that.