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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dome. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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And I don't mean my gun. Metal's my religion. Yeah, it's my toy. The safety problem of politics, baby. Metal's my religion.

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Hello and welcome back to MetalDisciple.com's Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George. And I'm you. And we are here today with Jay Dickinson of Catatonic Society. How are you doing today, Jay? Great, gents. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. No problem. It's always good to have somebody else on here with us. First thing I want to ask is, I got an email from you a couple weeks ago, I guess it was? Yeah, about two weeks, I think. And, you know, saying, hey, you know, review, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And that basically started a dialogue between us. And I was curious, how did you actually hear about us?

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I always check the end of the year. I like to see who people's top lists are, top albums for the year. Mostly to see what I missed, you know what I mean? And also see if people agree or disagree with me. And I saw your list and I love that you put 100 records on yours. I'm so happy to hear that. I've gotten so much crap about that. Jay, did you hear a couple episodes back, I made the mistake as, you know, posting on Reddit sometimes can be. I did, yeah. People were like, why did you post 100? Why didn't you give an explanation?

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Why couldn't you narrow it down? I'm like, you want fewer? Really? Well, you made the best point on the podcast too, which is there's thousands of records that come out. I loved it because there was a lot of stuff in there I don't know. I don't get to, I don't know every release that comes out and I am pretty busy between work and our band and that kind of thing. So that's how I find gems, you know, and that's how I'm able to go to my friends and say, you gotta hear this band I just heard about, man. So that's how I found you guys. And then the first podcast I listened to was the one where you'd

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and that's why he said this you guy boy his naive age really shows because his list is horrible get this kid off of here speaking of age i think part of what kept our dialogue going back and forth was the fact that you and i are of a similar in fact same age not what i said to sean when i interviewed him from god no nhl what you're like 49 or so that's what uh worries me i'm older than every

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I'm not sure how that happened. The question is, do you have Yager beat? Yager, what is it? I think Yager's like, what, like 48, 49? Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I'm 44. I don't know how old he is, but I'm pretty sure. I mean, I'd be retired by now if I was 100. Yeah. So being that we are of a similar age, I was curious, how did you get into metal? What did you start listening to when you were younger? Because I,

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I'm so far from where I started. And I have to assume that you probably are too. Miles, though I have a soft spot in my heart for all that stuff that kind of introduced me to it. I started really young, man. I am 44 and I was kind of doing some math because I knew we were going to talk about this a little bit. And first of all, I was just like really obsessed with music from before I could walk, you know. And my mom tells stories of me running to the stereo. We used to have the stereo as like a piece of furniture. I don't know if you probably remember those, George. They used to make like cabs.

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and it's an inside of history. She'd be playing Simon and Garfunkel and stuff like that. I'd always come running. She tells me to listen to it. The thing that changed my life probably at about six or seven years old was my mom got married for a second time. My stepbrother introduced me to Kiss. I was like, holy shit. I have to tell you too, even though the covers were cool, it was about the music for me. Also, you remember everything was static back then. It wasn't like I was seeing them on TV.

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or the internet or anything like that. It was like a few magazine pictures and the records. My introduction to KISS was I used to collect baseball cards and I would go out at recess and flip baseball cards with the other kids and some of the kids were flipping KISS cards. Right on. And I was like, you know, I remember what I remember is like Gene Simmons with like the blood just all down his front and I was like, what the hell is this? That's cool. It was, wasn't it? I mean, I still can kind of get the shit

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looking at those. I mean, for all the things they've done in their career that I don't admire at this point, I can still look at those old Kiss cards, for instance, and I, believe it or not, have some of those. And I'm like, it's still the coolest thing I've ever seen, you know? Yeah. I slowly collected all the Kiss records in my house because I had casual music listeners in my family, and I remember I traded two Stormtroopers for Kiss Alive 2. Ah, Star Wars figures.

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So along that path, that went on for a while. And my first record that I purchased was Kiss Dynasty. And I was eight years old when I bought that. I bought it at Sears. I took it home and it's like, this is the first record I bought. I put the needle on and it just went all the way through. Fortunately, I would say now, but back then I was like, no. I don't know if I remember, but they made really flimsy records for a while. They're in the 70s. Yeah.

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A Few Years Later was sort of like I was just buying Kiss Records and stuff you know and then a couple years later the Walkman started to kind of come around and I got for Christmas one year for Those About to Rock. Oh yeah. And that was a revelation and so then I was kind of Kiss and ACDC and stuff and then the big thing that changed was we went to I lived in a small town in Missouri. I used to save up my money and we went to Springfield, Missouri and that was where there was a record store and I'd be like you gotta take me to the record store.

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I would go to the record store and I bought a number of the beast and I couldn't listen to it till we got home I hated that oh dude that's like an hour drive I got home and I swear to you I said I told my brother this is what I've been looking for you know yeah it was just downhill from there so you know Jay I'm sure you've you've heard us talk about before in the show that's what you know me being 10 12 years younger than you guys that in getting into metal even late in my life when I was like you know 16 17 I miss

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out on because you guys had the excitement of finding this stuff for the first time. My experience to Pantera, which was my jumping off point, this is going to make me sound like such a metal noob, is reinventing the steel, which was like 99 or 2000. I was going to talk about this later, but this sort of goes into one of the first items that I was going to talk about later was I went to the Eddie Trunk, Jim Florentine, Don Jameson's show last night. Oh, right on. And I think it was Jim Florentine who was talking

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about how different things are now than they were back in the 70s and the 80s.

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And one of the differences was you used to camp out for concert tickets.

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Now you camp out for iPhones.

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Yep.

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And how completely lame it is compared to when you camped out for tickets.

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And it made me think about the last time I camped out for Metallica tickets for the Justice Tour.

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Right on.

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And I was like, man, things sure have changed.

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Well, and I also remember just not knowing when a band's next record was coming out, because you had to wait. There was like, when I was a kid, and it was probably the same for you, George. Before, like, Metal Hammer and all that kind of came out, it was just like Circus Magazine and, like, Hit Parader. Hit Parader, yeah. You had to read about 50 bands you hated, and then you could read about two you liked. Yep. But that's how you found out when, like, Peace of Mind was coming out. Like, I remember finding Peace of Mind in the store and thinking, I didn't even know this was coming out, you know? Yeah, that was the way I was with Master of Puppets. You know, I had, like, a copy of

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of a copy of a copy of Ride the Lightning. Right on. And I just, I walked in one day and there was a Master of Puppets and I was like, holy shit. And, you know, that's the only thing I listened to the whole summer of 86. Well, we have that in common. By the way, that's one of my other kind of turning points, you know. I'll never forget hearing that for the first time and that was post Iron Maiden, obviously. And I was in a high school band and I was like, I played the trombone. And we would go to these marching festival things.

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or something, I don't know. And I bought that tape and I brought it with me and I listened to it like eight times. It was like a two-hour trip. And by the time I came back, I was like, this is the greatest record in the world. You know what I mean? So being a trombone player, how is it that you didn't fall into the 90s ska scene then? Who says he didn't? Yeah, yeah. I couldn't sell that thing faster than that. I thought I was going to be a drummer, you know? And this teacher, I swear to God, I had a teacher

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who lied to me and she said yeah yeah you're gonna be in the drum corps just because we were going you started in junior high and she didn't like me as a matter of fact she didn't like me because we used to you used to bring cassettes to listen to and i brought iron maiden to listen to for the whole for the whole class and i could tell she was like scaring the hell out of her she literally said to me your mom unless you have this and then and then she had to make the choice about who got to go into the drum class next year and she told me i had it and then i showed up for the first day of school and i have a similar

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Similar story in terms of bringing music into school. I want to say it was probably like seventh grade gym class. They had the gym was like sectioned off into two halves. They had like a, you know, a removable divider and they depending on what was going on, they'd put the boys on one side and the girls on the other. And there was a little like utility room off one side of the gym. And inside there, you know, they kept balls and things like that. But they had a little like, I can smell that room, man, you know.

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They had a little mini bumper pool table. Right on. And for whatever reason, like if you were good or the coach liked you, whatever, once in a while, instead of going out and busting your ass with the other kids, you get to go in there and play bumper pool. And there was a radio that they would also let you play music that would play through the entire gym. And if you were the one in there in the bumper pool room, you got to control that. I was going to say, like, you probably never got to control it because you had to be the first kid to climb the road.

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I don't picture you climbing the ropes. Never climbed the rope. I don't know how I got in there. It was probably smooth talking, but I remember playing Wasp, The Last Command. Oh, right on. And everybody hated me. And I remember that record very well, by the way. I remember when it came out. I was a little disappointed from the fall from the first record, but it was still good, you know? Yeah. Yeah, oh man. Well, that's, you know, in a broader sense, then, I'm sure you had to. You know, like I lived in a small

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And I know there were some people who thought I was kind of a weird kid

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because of it, or maybe even a little mysterious and scary, which was the furthest thing from the truth.

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Especially once I started wearing like Haunting the Chapel shirts and stuff like that.

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Did you have any friends to share this with, Jay, or was this kind of your own thing?

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No, I did. I did have one very close friend, and we had Kiss more in common than anything else.

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He certainly got into records as I would give them to him. But it was sort of a solitary, like when Thrash happened, I was kind of by myself. You know what I mean? But that was cool. I mean, I was wildly entertained. And I did have some friends who knew who Anthrax was or whatever and that kind of thing. But I didn't know anybody who liked Slayer. You know what I mean? Do you remember the old ads in Hit Parader? Absolutely. Like the Megaforce? You know, they'd have Anthrax, like spreading

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the disease and exciter and like lone rager and and all these you know that's how i learned about these bands was yeah it's like okay well i've got this hip parader with david lee roth's pubic hair on the front right and uh a bunch of stupid shit on the inside but i and that's actually something that i've carried through to today is i buy the magazines mostly for the ads yeah so that i can see what's coming out sure i was living the same way i especially since i lived in the

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and I remember very specifically one and I don't remember if it was from Angus Force or Metal Blade but it said it had like this really badly drawn kind of maybe soldier like character on it but like a skeleton that said buy these records or I'll rip your face off. And there was this video store in my town and this guy would order me records. It was the only way I could get records and he would somehow the distributor for the videos also bought records so like that's like how I got Hella Waits and that's how I got like

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and a bunch of albums this guy and he'd call me to your records in man and i would just be like mom you got to take me down to the video store and i learned about them all from those ads that you're talking about basically if it said megaforce and metal blade on it for a while i'd just buy it you know do you remember combat records oh absolutely yeah and i'm it would be hard for me to remember some of the guys who were on it because i i just don't but i if you mention them i mean i'm sure i owned half of them you know yeah well i mean like the the first megadeth album i think was on there and like forbidden i think was

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on there. I'd have to go back through my cassettes. Yeah, see, that's where I get a little foggy. The other two I kind of held in higher regard, but I definitely had some combat stuff. Excellent. So, in terms of what you listen to now, how heavy do you get? Do you listen to death metal, black metal, any of that kind of stuff? Yeah, I sort of age gracefully as a metalhead. I'm not one of these guys that it's got to be sax on, you know what I mean? I went through a huge, and some of these have come and gone with me, I don't mind telling you, but I went

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I went through a massive Opeth phase. I went through a real black metal phase. That's my band, Opeth. Yeah, according to your email address, no doubt, man. I was curious because... Can I ask, I want to ask Jay this first, I'll go back to Opeth for a second. As someone who doesn't play an instrument, who never sings, who doesn't do anything, Opeth is brilliant to me. As a musician and a singer like yourself, is Opeth as brilliant a band as I, on the outside looking in, they appear to me? Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, in particularly, they're all great, but I mean, Michael is just an insanely good writer, and he comes up with a ridiculous amount of really cool-sounding riffs, and it's complex time signatures and all kinds of stuff, but it remains interesting. I think he's brilliant, and I think they're all brilliant. They're great. What do you think with what they're doing on their latest Pale Communion? Well, I got to tell you, I hate to be one of those dudes, because, man, you can get really abstract and obscure and different with me. Yeah.

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I don't have to have it a certain way. But I felt like Watershed was such a high mark for them. Agreed. And then I miss that juxtaposition to the Death Volkl. I just miss it. I like that. Because the cool thing was it was like Dark Throne, not really, you know what I mean, meets like Simon and Garfunkel. It was like the coolest thing in the world when they did that. Yeah. And I get what they're doing now, but I'm like, I sort of

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I think they're probably one of the more interesting progressive black metal bands now or death metal bands.

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Jay, as someone like yourself then who, you know, you're not an old guy by any stretch, but someone who's been playing music for a couple decades, can you see where Mike's coming from when he says he's just bored with it and that just doesn't excite him anymore?

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Sure. 100%.

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I'm doing what I'm more happy doing now. But if I could see, yeah, you'd get burnt out. You want to do different things. You know what I mean? I would hate to make five records that all sounded exactly like the record. That wouldn't be very cool, I don't think. You said you're in a Deep Purple style band. Check out the band by the name The Dagger. George and I just found them from Sweden. Their latest release. Yeah, it's very purple. Very Deep Purple. A killer album. I'll trade one with you because this one you may not know.

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This one's really gonna test your mettle because this is an old band. This is a band that was around when Deep Purple was around. That is one of the greatest unknown heavy rock bands and they're called Lucifer's Friend. Have you heard that? I have not. I'm ashamed to say I haven't. Oh, you even stumped George. You stumped me. I'm telling you, man, it's gonna blow your mind. There's this, if you YouTube them, there's this, uh, the very, probably the first hit that you got will be this live, like, black and white BBC performance and you're just gonna be like, dude, this is the coolest thing I've ever heard. They're so good.

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Nice. Now I'm excited. So getting back to why I brought up the harder extreme metal, I was curious, how did you, you know, transition from, you know, like 80s thrash into more extreme forms of music? Because for me, it was it was tough. And like most of the people that I grew up with, when grunge happened, that's when they just sort of fell away and stopped listening to metal. And luckily for me, I met a guy that was a little bit younger than me, who basically,

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said, hey, you need to listen to Cradle of Filth. You need to listen to Dark Throne and Immortal and things like that. And it sort of grew on me and helped me transition into the more extreme music. And, you know, if it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't be here today. Yeah, man. I think a lot of people have that story. I mean, like, I'm going to make you talk to me about Mastodon later because I know, because I know you don't like him. And I and but somewhere in there is what a point I'm going to make now, which is like there's some of those things where it's just like you kind of don't

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get it and you don't get it and it doesn't matter if you never get it if it's not your thing but then there's this like switch that goes off you know what i mean and so i do think probably i i would have i would say to you there were certain aspects of the extreme scene that i didn't get right away but there's part there's some of it that i was into without even hesitation and i would credit that for instance with okay i remember when i got well to put it bluntly i was always looking for faster heavier stuff that was kind of like my thing and so i kind of that kind of went on for a while and it was right around the time that the maiden records frankly were getting

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a little repetitive. I think they're all pretty genius now when I go back and listen to them again. Even the Blaze? What's that? Even the Blaze Bailey ones? Honestly, no. But Bruce was making great records at that time, so it didn't matter. So I was like, okay, well, I'll tell you, there was a real transitional record for me. And it's not this one, but I got Slayer, Shona Mercy, and then that was it. It was all about Slayer and that kind of stuff and anything else I can find. But the next,

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Probably the next step up in the sort of arms race for me was when I got Possessed Seven Churches. Yeah. And there was nothing I needed to adjust to about that. I just thought it was brilliant. And most of what's going on now is not too far off. You know what I mean? It's not like it's not that much more extreme than that. Right. And I even sort of appreciated the black metal stuff for what it is, especially like the early black metal scene, because I really like ISIS. I don't know if you guys know the band ISIS. Yeah, I like them.

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And like Oceanic in particular is just a great record. They're a bad name to have right now though. I'm sorry for those guys. You know what? They changed it. Well, they're gone now, but they changed it to Isis the band actually. But there's this kind of like drone thing they were doing and I really got that drone thing when I heard the black metal stuff too. So I started to see this sort of weird level of genius in that, you know. So the transition for me wasn't that hard, but there's probably still some things I kind of don't like. I'd be hard pressed to tell you what they are right now. I can't. You just mentioned drone though.

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Drone for me though gets to a point like that being what's it son I don't get what those guys are doing oh I can't wait till we get to our holy grail records you know it's funny as old as I am I tend to go through like discovery periods like you know like back in you know the mid 90s I did not like Godflesh where I didn't get it it was very droning and it was just repetitive and I was like whatever I mean it wasn't terrible but it just didn't grab me

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And then, you know, years later, I got into like sludge and funeral doom and the really just massively heavy stuff. And after listening to a lot of sludge for like pretty much the whole last year, I went back and listened to Godflesh and I was like, holy crap, this is awesome. And it's like you didn't, I didn't have the faculties to appreciate it when I first encountered them. But years later, I got to the point where it made total sense to me. And I've had various periods.

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like that where oh i get funeral doom oh i get black metal oh i get death metal and you know so i hesitate to say i don't like anything because a year from now i might get it and i don't know if it's become you if it's because you as a person become slightly more musically sophisticated or some new door is open for you but actually i'll just do mastodon to you now i mean people somebody i was actually at i was at an opeth show um and it was like the first american tour was the deliverance tour um they'd actually

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They opened for Nevermore. You saw that? No, I missed that tour. I got into them. My first tour seeing them was the Deliverance Tour also. Awesome. I saw them in a very small place here in San Francisco. I don't know if you remember. It was right after the station fire. I swear to you, a friend of mine came up and I was like, dude, this is the station fire waiting to happen. We were in this small place. It was brilliant. I met a guy there that I would see at other shows. He told me,

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One Time You Need To Check Out Mastodon And at that time I think only remission was out and so I went to a record store and I bought it and I was like what the hell is this guy talking about and I just couldn't do it you know but then I don't think it was maybe as much as a year or two later at some point I just put Leviathan on and I was like this is the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life you know Same for me I fought these guys for years because people kept talking about it kept talking about that same album did it

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for me. In fact, you know what it was? It was actually seeing Mastodon live with Opeth a couple years back. Oh, right on. I didn't even know they did it. Oh, yeah. And Ghost opened up for him. Yeah, I was there for that. Oh, yeah, dude. I was at that tour. I'm sorry. I think it was like some early tour. Yeah, and Ghost was like stole the night then. When Mastodon played Blood and Thunder to start, it fucking instantly blew me away. It was like, I've been putting these guys off for years.

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That one song live, their whole fucking set live blew me away. Now they're one of my favorite bands. Well, here, so it doesn't matter that it was Mastodon, but here's another cool phenomenon that happens to metal fans like the three of us, which is now you've got like six records to go by and listen to. You know what I mean? Yeah. In my defense, I just want to put out there that I don't actually hate Mastodon. I have had issues. In fact, like Buke,

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Actually, I think I probably heard them before he did. And he came to me and was like, hey, what do you think of these guys? And I was like, nah, they suck. And that was based on... I came to him looking for salvation early on. Yeah, really. Tell me I'm ready. And he listened to me for a while. But the reason that I didn't like them initially was I listened to those first couple albums and I didn't like the sound quality of the albums. It really bugs me when people bury the vocals. Oh, sure.

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Or if the vocals are in a similar frequency as the music, and it just needs to be bumped up more because it's not as sharp sounding so it doesn't cut through the music. But it really bugged me. I felt like the production on their early albums was really awful. And so I kind of blew them off. And then when Crack the Sky came out, which is also when they completely changed styles, but the production got much better. And I was like, oh, this is actually pretty good.

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Which that is probably, if I had to think about it, it's probably my favorite one. But I think they used to bury them because they didn't sing that great. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, you know, I'd much rather have you sing crappy on top of the music than sing crappy underneath the music. But, you know, after I sort of started to get into them, I went back and listened to those earlier albums, particularly since I've been listening to a lot of sludge where I'm not as critical anymore of production. And I go back and listen to the early albums and I'm like, oh,

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I actually kind of like these.

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Yeah, and that may be how it stays with you, obviously.

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I mean, that's the cool thing about it, is there's so many damn bands, you know?

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I mean, so whatever.

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I never, I would tell you one thing, I never fault anybody.

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I'm never one of these guys who's like, how can you not like them?

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Because there's been bands I just didn't get, and everybody else liked them, you know what I mean?

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It's just one of those things.

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And it's hard to tell if you're the genius and they're the idiot, sort of like vice versa.

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So I just go with it and say we all have different tastes now, you know?

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I just wanted to remind everybody that we're speaking to Jay of Catatonic Society. Again, Jay, thanks for your time. Thanks for having me. I'm having a great time. Excellent. Well, we haven't even cracked the surface yet. We haven't even cracked the sky. Look at that. Man, get me a radio job. I'm too mush mouth for a fucking radio job. Jay, what's your favorite album of theirs? You just said it, though. Well, but I mean, you know, that is if I start talking about it, it gets sticky, but it's probably

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It would either be Crack the Sky or Leviathan. Those two are probably good. George didn't like it, but once more around the sun, the fucking motherlode. It's actually not bad. You know, the thing that made them sort of fall out of grace with me again was The Hunter. I think that was the one. I was a little concerned, even though I like it. It's not. I was like, oh, come on. That's the one with Curl of the Burl on it, right? It's the stupidest fucking song ever. But they're catchy. Yeah. It's the first time I've ever talked to, but the second time I've heard

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you say that so I already knew that I was like yeah that's really the only thing that like really irked me I was like that song is just so yeah but the rest of the album is not bad I did actually buy the vinyl and me too and I and I am I'll by the way off that that record I love the song Ember City I think it's just so good yeah octopus has no friends is awesome yeah and I even like the creature thing you know what I mean the big sort of the one that's that big sweeping thing about the creature

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Going Back to the Lagoon or whatever, that's a very non-Mastodon song. I like that they stretch their legs. You know what I mean? It's the same thing with Metallica. I don't like almost anything Metallica's done since, in all honesty, Master of Puppets. But, you know, at least they're out there trying different stuff. You know what I mean? That's cool. So I respect them for it. I think what also attracts me to them is each member with their vocal stylings brings in a different dynamic to each track that they sing on. I tried so hard.

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It's so hard to get the other guys in my band to sing. You just gotta just go out there. Just dive in. Well, you know, I think, well, that's probably why there's so many different, I do sing in a lot of different ways on our record. And I think that's part of it. You know, like there's some stuff that we're really kind of stretching it. And then there's some more kind of sing-songy type stuff. It's hardly a Mastodon thing. But yeah, I love that they all sing. When you first started singing, you said you were in a Deep Purple band. Was it in those stylings like Deep Purple? No, I mean, it's always kind of like, I've always been accepted.

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of my own limitations and so what i mean is it was kind of like whatever came out i mean i was much more of like a baritone than ian gillen is god you know what i mean like yeah i mean like jesus like child in time yeah you know actually to mention one obscure one record i love and i would love to know what you guys think of it is uh black sabbath born again i was just thinking that while you were talking about that i was like i wonder what he thinks of born again that was actually one of my first it's like the first three black sabbath albums

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I bought were, we sold our soul for rock and roll. So I got my Aussie. Yeah. And mob rules. Right. Got my Dio. I was like, what the hell is this? It's so different. And my third album was Born Again. And I loved it. Well, that's another thing that shows our age. Cause I, that's, I have a similar experience. And, and you know, like here was this guys who were probably older, us older than us that had to get used to all this stuff. And we were like, it wasn't, it was just there. You didn't know who was more important than the other guy. You just loved them all, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Born Again is great though. That's, I would even call that.

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a very important record in my life. Zero the Hero, man. Love that song. Oh, Disturbing the Priest. Yeah. And the title track is such a good record. Trashed. I love it. I have that on vinyl, as a matter of fact. Yep, me too. I've got a signed copy on CD as well. Ian Gillen, Bill Ward, and some guy, I think he's like the keyboard player or something. No way. You know what you should look for and you may or may not have it and I would even send it to you but I honestly don't have it. I had it for a while. A while back,

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Somebody basically stole the master tapes and remastered it without what is really kind of a lot of noise on that record. Yeah, and it I prefer the release, but it basically turns into this like hard rock blues rock album, and it's kind of brilliant to listen to a lot of a lot of the sound that's on that record is total post-production like I totally changed the sound of the guitars and stuff nice. Yeah, I want to hear that. Yeah, I'll see if I can find it for you and I'll let you know at least what it's called. I don't I know I don't have my copy anymore. It's too bad, but I'm pretty good at

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Yeah, yeah, just look for it. Yeah, I'm sure any number of quick Google searches will get it for you. Okay, I'll look for that. So a couple of the things that we also we sort of talked about on email that we wanted to talk about a little more was our how all three of us are really big into vinyl and hockey. So to start off, you know, how long have you been collecting vinyl like your whole life?

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I mean obviously I grew up in the age of vinyl so for a long time you know I mean I and that when I stopped buying records because I was convinced they were telling us all to go in the right direction I probably had I don't know 150 records or something you know and because I was still buying you know records with like my summer job money yeah and I'll be honest with you I don't have any of those records anymore that every time a new format has come along I usually to get into the new format once I'm convinced I

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to sell off my thing and then I just buy everything I had and more for the new format. And so like I don't have any CDs anymore. I have just mp3s. So that said I started buying vinyl again no more than six months ago. Okay. Partially for two reasons. One the sonic quality and the other one is I enjoy doing it. I feel so nostalgic these days because I'll sit down and listen to a record and just cradle the cover in my arms and look at it. Yeah. You know Jay what I heard at a record store a couple months back that

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And I've only been into records since Record Store Day last year and I'm up to like 430 records now. I heard that on one of your podcasts. I heard a guy in a store tell me that listening to vinyl records is an experience into itself where it's not like putting on an mp3 in the background. The spinning and listening of the record is the experience by itself. I'll buy that because you also got to interact

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with the cover.

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Exactly. It's not like you can set some 400 song playlist and walk away.

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Exactly.

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You get one or two Opeth tracks and you're having to stand up and flip the record over again.

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Yeah, you're sitting down to listen to a record.

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Exactly. You're sitting down to listen to a record.

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So I actually, that was 50% of the reason I got back into it, because I missed that experience.

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I don't like the convenience of the other ones that much. I like it, but I...

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You know the music and I know it's no surprise to you as somebody in the industry. I'm training a guy at work now 22 year old kids from New York. He made the statement that he has never bought a album or a CD once. He's no format at all. He just gets he downloads it off on online. He goes on he goes on some torrent site wherever down downloads it. I'll tell you something.

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I'll tell you what, you know what he says? He says he's not alone. He says all his friends are doing the same thing. I mean, if you know anything about record sales now, you know, if you sell 30,000 in the first week, and that's for the big bands, that's like, ooh, big deal. But I can remember when people were like disappointed, like the new Kiss record only sold 2 million copies, you know, like they're going downhill. Yeah. And I'll tell you something, just a real, you know, and people are going to steal it anyway, so it's not like I'm putting myself in danger by putting this out there. But we, of course, Google our name every once in a while,

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We wanted to see if reviews are coming up. And your name is again? Catatonic Society. Exactly. Plug. Plug. Plug away, please. Oh, and our record's called Baptiste Tino. And I'm not joking, man. Google it yourself sometime. The first bunch of hits are our Facebook page and everything, but within 24 hours of the record coming out, it was on, I don't know how many Russian torrent sites. It's just everywhere now. Yeah, the Russians are really bad. Nobody even knows who we are, so they just know.

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how to steal records out of the pipeline. You know what I mean? Or there's some badass metalhead in Siberia somewhere where you are providing him his one ounce of happiness in his cold, dark life. And I'm actually kind of like holding on to that a little bit. You know what I mean? Because we didn't expect to make any money off our record. But I'm telling you, it's on a hundred BitTorrent sites already. It's been on two weeks. And it's only been reviewed once. So nobody knows who it is. They're just out there giving it away. Does it take the wind out of your

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sales, Jay? Nah, not really. Nah. I mean, at least people are listening to it. At least I hope they are. You know, I mean, we did find out our bass player works for Google. Wow. Yeah, he's pretty savvy. And he's from, he's also Eastern European. He's from Ukraine. And he was, he's able to kind of see how many people are downloading the torrents in some of these sites. And like one of them downloaded like 350 times. That was like a couple days ago. And I like to know that maybe 350 people are trying it out. I didn't think we were going to sell a

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a bunch of them. And there's guys out there like you too that are going to be like, if I like it, I'm going to buy it.

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George and I, when George started talking to you, he doesn't do this often, but when he does, I get excited. But when George first, you guys were speaking, George was like, you need to check this band out. He doesn't do that often. And instantly, I'm not trying to, I don't want to say you guys sound like these. I don't know if that's a good thing to say to artists. But you guys wear your high on fire influence on your sleeve.

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I think there's some Mastodon there. So being a fan of both those bands, I was instantly attracted to you. They're actually two of my favorite bands. And I can tell you this. So one thing is not being, and I love hearing that. And as somebody, you guys aren't in bands, you know, like right now, one of the most interesting things to me is what do we sound like? Because I don't know what we sound like. You know what I mean? You really don't know when you're standing right in front of it. You just, especially when you practice a lot and you hear your songs all a thousand times, you don't know what you sound like. You just don't.

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And I mean, I know what we sound like, but I literally cannot be objective enough to like, say that it sounds like the band you just said it sounded like. Yeah. And which, by the way, you almost could not have said two, two, two things that would have thrilled me more. You know what I mean? I love both of those bands. Yeah, High on Fire was, and going back to bands that were hard to get into at the start, when I first saw High on Fire live, oh God, I can't remember who they opened for, but it may have been Opeth.

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I've seen "Notepath" like 15 times live. High on fire when I first saw him was like, "God, get this guy, get this shirtless ripped drunk guy off the stage." Yeah, because I remember vividly he was drunk, he seemed a little stoned in his abs. He was ripped. He's not ripped anymore, man. I was like, "Get this guy off the stage." Do you like High on fire, George? I do actually. I was just gonna say that they sort of

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started off the same way as Mastodon for me. The early High on Fire albums, man, those vocals are buried. And by the time Snakes came out, I was like, oh, that sounds a little better. What was the song? The Frosthammer? Yeah, that's it. And I was like, now this is some fucking metal. And I've been a fan since. So yeah, I dig those guys. I think Matt Pike being the he, I think he connects with what I loved about some of the

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Megaforce and Combat Records and all those when I was a kid. I think he connects with that away and brings it to something new more than any other artist to the point where Blessed Black Wings could have come out in 85 and it sounded just like that. You know what I mean? And yet there's something modern to it. So yeah, I love those guys, man. I think they're awesome. And they're from here. So we've decided as a band that we will have made it when we open for them because they do play here. Nice. So Jay, so people coming to you like myself saying you sound like them, that's just a compliment then? Absolutely.

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Because I think

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I know it's just

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It reminds people of them

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I know they're not saying

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We're like a carbon copy

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No

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And I say this with humility

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I couldn't copy them

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If I tried

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You know

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Like I guess what comes out of you

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Is something that

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It's the sum total of your influences

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But seriously

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If you were like

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Dude can you sit down

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And write a Van Halen song

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I'm just not that good

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You know what I mean

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I don't know how to do that

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Now early on

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A couple months back

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We spoke to Mike

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From Early Man

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Yeah I listened to that one too

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by the way. And I checked him out because of you and I like his stuff. Oh, he's a great guy. I'll ask you the same question I asked him. Being influenced by, you know, Mastodon and High on Fire and stuff, is it hard for you to separate and just play something you like and then obviously it comes out sounding like these guys? I guess what I'm asking is, you know, as somebody who doesn't write songs and stuff, how do you kind of shy away from all your influences and not being that carbon copy? I don't know. I'm pretty lucky.

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I actually write the songs in our band. I am the writer. And the other guys contribute. I mean, they contribute in two ways. One is they just, I never say like, play the drums this way. I'm just like, do whatever you want because we have like a brilliant drummer. And the same with our bass player. So I think of them as very much part of, a very important part of the songwriting process. So the bass player is part of the band? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He doesn't just carry the gear. He tells the best bass player jokes. I have to tell you one of them.

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And he tells them in his Ukrainian accent, and I can't quite do that, but he says that one of his jokes is there's this little kid running through the house, and he's like screaming, and the mother comes up, and she says, what's wrong? And then the father comes out, he comes running out of the practice room where he was playing bass, and she says, why are you chasing him? What did he do? And he said, he turned, he's a bass player, he said, he turned one of my tuning pegs, and he won't tell me which one.

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I don't think we've ever stepped into

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off-territory.

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Not hardly.

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Because you almost can't, you know what I mean?

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George mentioned it earlier.

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I'm sorry, Jay.

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No, no, go ahead.

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George mentioned it earlier about, you know, some bands burying their vocals and stuff like that.

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One of the first things that shined through right away, your guys' recording quality is excellent.

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You just stole my thunder.

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That's all right.

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I was just going to say, I've been, like, sitting here waiting for you to finish because you kept coming in with more questions.

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I was going to say this, that I was listening to it again this morning. I was going to say, you know, one thing you've got on High on Fire and Mastodon is you definitely don't bury the vocals. And I was impressed that when you sent me the links to the page to download the album, that you had flack. Yeah. Because, and did I, was that the last podcast? Yes. Okay. Then I mentioned that labels really should be sending out files in flack because they're sending us, you know, MP3s, which,

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sometimes aren't even like high quality mp3 and you're supposed to review things based on this not as great recording right and i've been listening to the album on the the was a 2496 flack sure and sounds brilliant so kudos to you for uh offering a better quality version or you know no definitely yeah absolutely and that and that and there again you can blame our bass player for that he's he actually mastered the album he's he's a whiz man he he's a he's a

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He's a really talented bass player. But he's also just probably has more classic music

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knowledge than the rest of us. But he's also an electronic monster, you know? And so, like when we were producing the record, he knew what he knew specifically what frequencies he wanted to, because when we first heard the first mixes, we were like, "Ah, it's kind of muddy." And he was able to go to the engineer and he said, "You know, try a frequency 3.17 mega." I mean, you know what I mean? It was insane, man. Wow. Yeah, and then he's also the one who's

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who put together all the different quality versions and stuff. We recorded it just as far as the overall song quality. We recorded it at Sharkbite Studios in Oakland. That is where the Blackening was recorded if you guys like that record. A little band called Machine Head. They still rehearse there too as a matter of fact. I kept trying to run into them in the hallway but I never did. If there's a top three albums of the last decade or so that's easily in my list. It is for me too actually.

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And I that was actually the record that turned me on to Machine Head, believe it or not. I'd kind of missed all the other stuff, but I think I was fortunate to miss some of it. But it's like a second coming for a band. It's like a post-2000 Master of Puppets, I think. It's really great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What did you think of their last album? Disappointment for me. Oh, you know what? Honestly, I haven't got it yet. And I'm embarrassed to say that. I haven't got it yet. Yeah. But that was partially because Unto the Locust, while very cool,

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I don't know I wanted it to be a little different than the Blackening and it is a little different but I don't know that was such a hard record to follow actually. It took them forever. Yeah so I guess it really was hard and then and I just haven't tried the new one yet but actually it's funny because it was one of your lists that made me think I better try it soon because one of you guys had it real high. George. Yeah I had it number three. It was like 19 or 18. I wouldn't pick it up soon based on that you know. Yeah well to be honest the first

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I was in the car, which not the best speakers. When I really want to hear something, I got to have good quality headphones on. And I was listening to it in the car and I was like, oh, boring. But then I was like, I got to write it up. Let me put on the headphones and listen to it again. And when I really focused on it, I was like, okay, I get this now. Some of the stuff that I thought was boring was sort of dynamic and helped keep the album fresh.

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And honestly, it's great. I would probably still put Blackening and Even Locust above it, but I thought it was a really strong album. I'll pick it up, man. I really will. And it was your list that made me think, okay, I probably should have bought that. But that's what it takes sometimes with me with a band that I've got a bunch of their records and for whatever reason didn't get, like I haven't bought the new Opeth, to be honest with you. I will eventually. Speaking about lists real quick, do you want to mention your top album from last year?

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That's a good question. You can think about it. George, of course, was high on Trypticon the whole day. I kept hearing about that from March on Butte, Trypticon, Trypticon. What the fuck? That's a good choice. Myself was primordial. Yours was primordial? Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'll think about it. I'll answer that. Think about it. It's okay. Sorry to put you on the spot. No, no, no, no. By the way, there's a lot of stuff on your list that I'm going to be like, God, I've got to check those guys out.

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Just sometimes based on the cover. Thanks. See, that means a lot to me because George is the big metal guy. So yes, come over. Check out Bukes' list first. Oh, you know that BMF record. I'll probably say that one. That's probably the one I like. Okay. To be honest, those guys, they're still like a mastodon to me. I haven't been able to get into them yet. We've been talking. Bukes keeps asking me since the beginning of the year, do you have your front runner for this year yet? And up until a couple days ago, I didn't

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have anything particularly. And then within the last couple days, I've got two really strong ones. And I almost wrecked my car last night when George sent me a text saying, I might have my 2015 album of the year. Oh, cool, man. Well, who is it? We'll get to that later. I'm just sort of teasing it right now. We'll get back to it a little later. By the way, also, let me just, my honorable mention would be that Paul Barrow record, though, too. I thought that was really good. Oh, yeah. Man, that's a heavy frick. Dude, you put that on vinyl, you cranked the thing,

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That will shake your house to the ground. You know, I saw it on vinyl the other day. I haven't picked it up yet, but I will get that one on vinyl. Man, it's awesome. Yeah, that's a really good choice, though. I'm such a format junkie now that I, like, buy everything, like, three times. You know? It's like, I won't anymore, but I was buying things on iTunes until I got picky about my sound quality. We went to our local record shop last week, and George was bummed that the Paul Bear Albers were not available on CD to buy. Yeah.

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So you can rip them to flack. Yeah. Well, you know, I have to tell you, there's a great joy I have. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a record store. And I'm like, and I'll just use a number of the beasts as a randomized example. But, and I'll pick it up and I'll be like, God, I wish I hadn't bought this because I could buy this today. You know, like you just want to do it again somehow. I do that all the time. I mean, I've, there's albums that I've bought on iTunes. I'm like, okay, got my MP3. Cause for pretty much like the last 10 years, it's been pretty much mostly MP3. And so a lot

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the stuff that I've bought. I mean, I get a lot of stuff from the record labels, so I don't have to buy everything. But either way, I've got a bunch of albums on MP3, whether iTunes or labels. And then as a show of support, I'll go buy the vinyl because I'm like, I'm like, I really like this. I'm going to buy the vinyl as well. So, you know, I mean, maybe I got the promo for free. Here's here's here's me giving back. And then now I stopped buying CDs like 10 years ago. But because now I'm on this whole high definition, you know,

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I'm re-ripping all my CDs. That way. And I'm like, okay, so I bought the MP3. I bought the vinyl. I guess I got to buy the CD now. Or go and pay. To actually buy high-definition flack files is ungodly expensive. It's like $17 to $20 an album. Yeah, you might as well get the CD. Yeah, and I'm like thinking to myself, you know, I've got friends that like never stopped buying CDs and they're laughing at me now going, dumbass, you should have just kept buying the CDs.

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Well, incidentally, ours is going to come out on vinyl. I'll just gladly, happily send you both a free copy. Yes, sweet. Yes. And I'll send you a CD, too. The CDs are coming out. We're getting those. We just got an update that the last thing being printed is the booklet. There's a real nice insert booklet that has original artwork for every single song's lyrics. Nice. And the CDs are printed. The digipack is printed. We're just the booklets being put together.

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We'll have them in about a week, I think. And I'll send you those, Mike. Seriously, happily to send you guys free copies. I'll send you both one. Excellent. And when the vinyl, the vinyl will be a little few months, but when we get vinyl, I'll send you that. Again, we're talking to Jay from Catatonic Society. Follow them on Twitter at CatatonicSoc. Now, Jay, I want to mention something here. You know, I always talk hockey with some guests here. Please. 84 points, the Winnipeg Jets sit.

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Second place on the wild card. Yeah. You're seeing Jose Sharks sitting fourth with 78. How many? What's that? 10 or 11 games or so left to play? Maybe less? Yeah. How do you feel, buddy? Most of them are road games, too. I think we're screwed. You know, it's a shame, too, because we've got the talent. I'm telling you, we do, man. Like, when you watch these guys, you know, every game like I do, and really watch guys like Joe Pavelski kind of come into their own in the last two years,

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and we've got Joe Thornton who's just a Hall of Famer. Couture is still great. He's kind of quiet sometimes. I think Marleau's great. I don't know why it ain't working for us, but I think it's coaching actually, to be honest with you. Is this the year where you blow up the team? What's that? Is this the year where the team gets blown up? I would try a new coach first, even with the age of some of our guys, which is getting up there. I don't think we're going to make the playoffs this year. I think that was what the Capitals needed to happen to us last year. We didn't make the playoffs.

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We have a new rejuvenated Capitals team now. Well, there you go. So that hopefully proves my theory. I'd love to see us get a new coach. And I'd love to, I'd love for them to keep the court together because I think we've got a great team. You've been in hockey your whole life? No. I'll even tell you the truth. We were talking, we chatted briefly before we started here and I was telling you guys that you reminded me of the Tell Them Steve Day podcast. Which we totally love. What's that? Which we love to hear. That was awesome. Thank you.

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Yeah, and you guys really just reminds me of it. In fact, I kind of feel like I'm on it right now still. This is a bizarro world. But I'll be perfectly honest with you. I started listening to that however many years ago, and those guys got me into hockey. Interesting. So at first, I was a Devils fan, and then I was like, we have a team, I'll go see the Sharks, and then it was just downhill from there. I don't even know if Dan Boyle, he's not even on the team anymore, right? No, and I'm trying to remember who he was traded to. He's a huge metalhead.

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He plays for a Canadian team now. I can't remember who it is. He might be in Vancouver. I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember right now. I'd see him go because I loved him. But you know, metal and hockey goes hand in hand. Oh, absolutely. And you're right about Dan Boyle. He's a big time metalhead. And they had some tribute to him and they played all these metal songs that sort of like confused everybody here. They were like, what weird tribute is this? The Shucks come out to Steak and Destroy.

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or when they come out on the ice. And also they had a Metallica night. I know. I saw that. That's badass. Which, on a quick news note, you see that James Hetfield has gotten behind the petition to possibly have Metallica play the Super Bowl. Really? For the 50th anniversary of the Super Bowl next year. The petition has like 50,000 signatures online. Wow. And James has actually picked it up and did a YouTube video like backing it and trying to get

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more support for it. That would be awesome. Wouldn't that be awesome? I remember when they tried to get guar. Of course, then, you know, of course he died then, but. Damn it, Dave. Or even just some totally obscure black metal band, you know what I mean? Yeah, wouldn't that be great if like a dark throne or something comes out? They're going to start a petition, man. You know what I mean? It's like, why not? Yeah. And that is cool. No, I hadn't, I honestly hadn't heard that, and you do, I mean, we all hear about them a lot if you read metal sites, but you hear about them a lot here because, well, because they live

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here and they're always on the um you know like they go to Giants games if they show up somewhere as in the newspaper shit like that you know and i've run into them a couple times actually yeah you mentioned uh to me earlier that uh you've been you're not too far from the Metallica house and that you run into some of the uh the bay area scene people why don't you tell us a bit more about that well i live in Berkeley as a matter of fact and that's and you know it's just one it's just one metropolitan area how are you not how are you not on some indie rock podcast

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right now.

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Yeah.

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I'm the least Berkeley guy to live in Berkeley.

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I'm a liberal fellow, but I live in Berkeley.

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Well, I actually work for the city of Berkeley, so I'll just leave it at that.

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So we basically live two towns, you would say, over from El Cerrito, which is where their house was.

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Okay.

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But that's like six miles, and the town's never stopped.

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There's just a sign announcing you've gotten into a new one.

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It's just all pavement, you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they lived in this little house over there. And it's cool to live near. It's cool for me because when I was looking at the backs of the records, you know, talking about experiencing the record again, of the Megaforce records and particularly like Hello Waits, like all those pictures were taken on Hello Waits were taken at a show another couple miles from my house at a place called Aquatic Park here. And it was like Slayer, Possessed, Suicidal Tendencies. I mean, like everybody you would have killed to see, George, when you were that age.

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And so it is weird. And so the Metallica Mansion, they call it, is like a few miles from here. It's just this little unassuming house they all lived in when they were teenagers. And they wrote Ride the Lightning and Kill Them All There. So that's kind of cool. And then there's a place called Ruthie's Inn where all the thrash bands, that was it. That was the place they played. And that's a bookstore now, strangely. Yeah, I've heard of the place. And then, yeah, I run into, I mean, sometimes, you know, like you don't just run into Metallica.

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But I mean, I ran in them three times. Once we were, my wife and I had gone to Europe just for vacation and we were getting off the plane. And for some reason, we got down to like the luggage pickup like before anybody else. We were just standing there by ourselves. And up came James and Lars. They were coming back from the South Africa show they played a few years ago. And so, I mean, like I didn't, what are you going to do? You know what I mean? I did finally get the nerve to go up to Lars and say, hey man, I'm looking forward to the new record. And he said,

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Don't hold your breath. Oh geez. I mean I can't even remember now if that would have been saying hey Lars I just downloaded your discography off of Napster you guys are great. Yeah. And I run into Chuck Billy before at Iron Maiden concert and I ran into James Hetfield at a talk by the Dalai Lama if you can believe that or not so yeah so you know it is here and it goes I mean there is a there's a history of a scene here I wouldn't want to mislead you and think there's like a killer scene here now because there kind of isn't there is

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some cool new bands that we like to play with, but it's not like it was. Never is. Jay, talking to somebody in the scene itself, are there any bands you play with that excite you? If there isn't, that's fine. If it excites somebody as an artist, that's who I want to be checking out. Well, I will tell you one, but you're going to hate them because you don't like Sun-O or Sun or however you pronounce it. We just played with last night called Egg Shen.

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One of the characters from Big Trouble and Little Town. Yes. And they do this kind of psych, psychedelic kind of slightly drone thing. But they do have a drummer in contrast to Sun. And it's wicked. I love these guys. And they love us. And they're also just friends of ours at this point. So I like them. I don't have a record out. You can check them out. But I really don't know if it would be up your alley. Honestly, I think we're the best metal band here right now.

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That's what I like. Fucking right, Jay. I love the confidence. Well, I have to agree with you. I hate to be like that because, you know, I am a really humble guy. Be like that. Right here. The Metal Heads podcast stamp of approval. Best band in the fucking Bay Area right now. Catatonic Society. I should say of the ones we play with. There is a band called Slough Fag that I really love a lot. They're better than us. And I run into those guys all over the place. We haven't played with them yet, but I hope to. Come on.

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Let's stir up some controversy. You are better than Nami. You're the best. Now I'm just messing. Well, we've been talking about all kinds of things, but not so much about your, I mean, a little bit about your music, but why don't you tell us a little bit about the album, Baptistina. Of course, maybe explain the title. You said you get asked that a lot. So when you mentioned that, I was like, yeah, what is the story behind that?

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Well, there's a song in the album called Baptisteina, and we call the record Baptisteina. And this is where the vague conceit comes in. But I hope from having to talk to you guys, you realize there's not a lot of conceit. I'm a pretty laid-back and down-to-earth kind of guy, but it explains the title. But we call it Baptisteina because that's the name of the asteroid that they once hypothesized that killed the dinosaurs.

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Okay.

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And I just can't stand like what is popular in metal these days. And I hate to be like that guy, you know what I mean? But like Avenged Sevenfold and I hate that shit. And I apologize if you guys like any of that stuff, by the way. So in my mind, this was like our, I felt like we were, I wanted us to make a record that would kill those dinosaurs, you know what I mean? And that's a little full of itself, that comment. But, you know, that was kind of the thing. But the song itself, the lyrics are just sort of about a,

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wandering tribe, you know what I mean, that are trying to get out of the desert or whatever kind of thing. So it kind of works both ways. I can hide that, you know, and not make myself sound conceited. So that's where the title came from. I mean, when I heard that it was the name of the asteroid that killed the donors, of course, I was like, dude, that's totally metal. That is totally fucking metal. Jake, I see those bands and stuff playing big summer festivals and stuff like that. I don't get it. I don't either.

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It's processed boringness. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm a first-time father now. I have a nine-month-old. I used to be a mall security guard. I have no problem saying that because when I worked at the mall, all these mall rack kids were listening to these bands that the Revolver and stuff tells them they need to be listening to. Hot Topic Kids. Yeah, Hot Topic Kids. Exactly. Because they sell their t-shirts too and stuff, you know.

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Yeah, I don't get it. There is a whole level of that. I almost don't think of it as metal, to be honest with you. It's not. But you know what the shame is, Jay? They think it is. And I just don't even experience it. I usually hear just enough to be like, okay, they're one of those, whatever. Yeah. So yeah, it's just not my cup of tea. And I think there's just something to be said for just a really good, straightforward metal record. I don't think we're very genre-specific,

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No, not really. So, I mean, I do think maybe you can, I use orange amplifiers. Some people kind of throw a little stoner thing in there or something, which I don't necessarily buy. We have friends in Charm City Devils. They use orange. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I love them, you know, but it's because I like, there's two different kinds of amplifiers, you know, like for this stuff. Well, one is you just use a pedal for the distortion, but there's like distortion or there's overdrive, and overdrive just sounds so much better to me. That's where you just love an amp with so much electricity that it sounds like a little bit more.

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the world's coming to an end. You know what I mean? And then the other ones are just like digitally processed stuff. And that's where that Avenged Seven stuff comes from. You know what I mean? And I don't like that. I don't like that. If you came to see us, guys, there's wind coming out of my amplifier. You know what I mean? They push air. They really do. That's sweet. Nice. So that's where we came up with the name for the record. Right on. So you mentioned you've got some shows coming up in the San Francisco area. You want to plug some of those?

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Yes, if I can remember them. One is April 10th, and that's at a place called The Huddle in Fremont. And then April 16th, I believe, is a place called Back Bar in San Jose, which is a fairly new place. We're doing about two to three shows a month right now. And that's everything that we have. We just had all these ones on the docket. We just played last night, and we played last week. So that's everything we've got.

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coming up, but we'll have more stuff up on the site soon. We usually plan two or three out and ahead. After playing last night, Jay, thanks for taking the time to talk to us, too, again. I know it's not an easy early night, so thanks again. No, no, no. No, no big deal. I had the coolest rock star last night, too. We are the most late. We're like Opeth when you see us live. We talk really like, look at this next song. It's cold. You know what I mean?

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Last night, the microphone kept going out on the PA, and I had my first, and I'm not this guy, but I had my first, it went out like four times during three different songs, and I finally just kicked it, and it went flying, and then I stepped on into the audience and just finished the show playing guitar, and we played like our most, we played Ashes from the record, which has got a lot of like hammer on, hammer off stuff, and people just went nuts, man, it was awesome. Sweet. You had your first on stage cry? Yeah, basically. I'm that guy now.

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You're that guy.

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So your music, that's what I like about this genre music, is that live, it's your fucking headbanging the whole time.

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That's who we, and I think we sound, by the way, live like you do on the record, you know.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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We really sound the same.

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Now, I know you've got the website, catatonicsociety.com.

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Where can people get tickets to the shows, and where can people get the album?

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Well, so far we're not really a tickets to the shows kind of band. I mean, right now it's like you pay at the door kind of deal. Okay. And we've also done plenty of free shows. But we're starting to pick up some steam now. We actually played a show in Pacifica a couple weeks ago, and this was a great experience for me. The first guy ever who walked into one of our shows wearing one of our T-shirts already, and I was like, okay, this is cool. So we're kind of getting somewhere. But then as far as, as you said, where you can get the tickets. Oh, where you can get the album. It's everywhere.

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It's on iTunes, Amazon, basically every single digital outlet that sells MP3s. We're also on Tidal. You can stream it on Spotify. Yeah, so we're on all of those. And then the record itself is actually, we almost have it in our hands, the CD. And that will actually just, people have to order it from our website. It'll be like through Reverb.com, also our website, which is just CatatonicSociety.com. So it'll be easily findable.

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And ultimately probably be through some of the

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There'll be some brick and mortar stuff here in San Francisco

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Because there's a couple good record stores here that'll carry it

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Hey Jay, George and I just updated the

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We got new art for our podcast that my friend Josh did

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It turned out great, but your guys album art is sick

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Who did that?

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Well, it was Andre Buzikoff

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And I, you know, first of all, I'm glad you like it because

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We paid to have that painted

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And I actually, at the last minute, I said to the guys, the other two guys in the band, and I was like, are people going to look at this and just think we're like some 80s rehashed thrash band? I was really worried about that. And that they just wouldn't give us a chance, you know what I mean? But I like the cover. So it wasn't that. I was just like overthinking things. So it's actually kind of cool how we got that cover. Because Once More Around the Sun had just come out. You know, the... Bastardown. Yeah. And the Skinner,

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A guy named Skinner was the one who did the cover for that. And he lives here in Oakland. So I was like, let's have the guy who did the Mastodon cover do our cover. You know what I mean? I tried to reach out to him on Twitter for our stuff. He just blew me off. Did he write back to you? No, I tried to reach out on Twitter. He didn't get back to me. Well, it's because he's busy all the time now. But he was really nice. He responded to me and he was like, dude, your band is sick, which was just kind of cool to hear. And he said, I'm really booked. This was like a week after.

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Why I even thought. He said, write to my friend Andre. He gave me his email address. Andre, he did the Municipal Waste covers. He did the last couple of Skeleton Witch covers. I just wrote to him and he was like, yeah, no problem. We sent him the demo at that time. We didn't have the record finished. We sent him demos. He wanted all the lyrics and that's what he came up with. He did a great job.

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We also used the sketch, the original sketch from the record cover on the inside of the DigiPack. So it's like underneath the CD in black and white. So it's really super cool. Yeah, he's a really nice guy. Actually, I just talked to him the other day and he wants me to send him a copy of the CD when it comes in. Sweet. I mean, probably more for his artwork than the music, which is fine with me. Sure. But it's killer artwork and killer music too. I'll tell you a funny thing too was one of the things we'd really love to do in this band is to have an ongoing entity,

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a character on our album covers like Eddie or something like that. And so the joke in the band right now is that if you look at the cover, you'll see there's this sort of big purple guy and then there's this little red guy. And we thought it'd be funny to have it be the little red guy that is on. So like it'll be him growing up as time goes on. Sweet! Yeah, because I'm already writing the next record and I won't tell you what it's called because I don't want to ruin it, but I think it would be really, and I've got this like really great, very cool, simultaneously hilarious cover kind of.

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It's called Meadowhead's Podcast.

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We've been going for over an hour here. Maybe we ought to play something for some people so they know what we're talking about and why we're talking to you.

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Right on.

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So right now, why don't we play a song from the album. We're going to play the opening track called Left Hand Path. We'll see you after.

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I've been at home for you, set foot up from my back, hey!

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The color of your last days

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Hear my warning, marching

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Many fall down and fall

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Follow me

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I mix the light with darkness, the first and last one pretends. The Lord of Mines waiting. The heart of names open. From all the way I saw you standing. To rise alone in darkness searching. To be afraid to watch it.

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Ratchet, reach in

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Reversed the sun and mooned, surrender to confusion. The space that lies between us is only an illusion.

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For me

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All right, that was Catatonic Society and their song Left Hand Path. Jay, can you tell us anything about that song, or is there any interesting stories about the lyrics or whatever?

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Yeah, it's... Well, first off, the way it was written, we actually had... We went through a few member changes early on, and we're just... We're at the trio. We are now a very solid trio that I... We'll stay together and all good guys and everything. And we had a second guitar player for a while, and in fact, he was there when I got there, if you will. And he had this finger exercise thing he used to do, and I was like, dude, what is that? And he was like, no, I'm just doing the last...

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He showed me this little finger exercise and I literally just took it home and cleaned it up and made a riff out of it. So I was like where the riff came from. It's kind of like Slash with Sweet Child of Mine. Exactly. And without being insulting to the other guitar player, it was just a messy, but it was just like the series of notes he was using it like so much that I went home and like sat down and figured out a way to make it make sense. So, and it was also kind of, that was, in all honesty, that was like one of the first songs written and we realized, oh, this man has like a identity. You know what I mean? Like we realized,

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When you get together with guys, you kind of jam and you do this and that. But then when you start to do something and it sounds good when everybody does it, you're like, oh, you're starting to find out who you are. You know what I mean? So that was like a really early song for us. And the lyrics are just about, I feel like all my songs are about exactly the same thing. It's sort of like, and it's like the universe as I see it and the lens through which I view the universe. But also I like, I love that. I love to use heavy metal sounding, you know,

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but they usually represent something very real in my life. Just changes I'm going through or things that have happened to me or things like that. So left hand path is really like in the metal world in the sort of like ooh it's scary that's the left hand path is the path that on the spiritual path where you that's the path of evil kind of thing and I'm not an evil guy. But the point is that like I'm sure you guys know like I've heard of like the Knights Templar. Yeah. It's like that. Well the secret is the secret in all of those traditions is that the left hand path is actually the right path.

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That's actually the path to the real salvation. And it's not evil at all. So it's kind of like that. And there's just a lot of metaphors in there that kind of are to that end. That's sort of somebody trying to guide somebody along this path of really finding out what's going on in the universe kind of thing. I'm kind of a Buddhist guy. You know what I mean? I studied Buddhism for a lot of years. So it's actually kind of a Buddhist song, believe it or not. So that's it. And all the individual lyrics do mean something to me. But I would bore you to death and take six hours to tell you every sentence.

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I don't want to you know you don't need to go into depth about you know your meaning of it but my favorite track I was listening to it this morning was actually the closing track Ashes oh right now killer track man definitely dude thank you like you know that's actually that is very Buddhist that song and I not to take this all up a notch or down a notch I don't know I mean it and what it because that song's kind of about reincarnation I think of it as like Iron Maiden's Another Life you know what I mean oh okay because that's it's really talking about living in a circle and

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and you are stuck in this circle by the things you're doing, that kind of thing. And also it's just like cool heavy metal. That's really interesting. You said being, you know, you have some Buddhist beliefs and stuff. Have you found that in any other heavy metal music you listen to? Yes. And a matter of fact, well, one particular, the Gojira record, where the whole, do you guys like those guys? I love them. Yeah. What's the record that came out after From Mars to Sirius? That has death in the title or something.

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The Way of All Flesh. Nice pull, George. I know my Gojira. There's a song on there, and I was really proud of myself, too, when I realized it, but there's a song on there that is, and I'm going to tell you what it is. I'm actually looking at it here while I'm talking to you. It's my favorite song on the record, by the way, and it is The Art of Dying. And I was so proud of myself because in listening to it, I was like, this is totally about the debate.

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Tibetan Book of the Dead. Because I studied particularly Tibetan Buddhism. And then I read an interview with them later and that's exactly what it was about. I was like, awesome, man. Oh, cool. These guys think like me. You know what I mean? They think like a similar wavelength. Yeah. Which, by the way, I do love those guys. And I do think that I think we're in the same ideas lyrically as them. You know what I mean? Like it's very metal sounding stuff, but you're really just kind of talking about your life and things like that. So, yeah. But anyway, that's cool that you like that song. That was

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One of the last songs written for the record. And we were really like, can we play this live? And we can, no problem. And last night when we had our microphone destruction at the, where it went bad while we were playing our show last night, we closed with that just because it's kind of cool even without words on it, you know. And people loved it. Right on. Yeah. All right. Well, people are probably wondering if we're going to actually do a regular episode here. And if you're wondering, yes, we are. Of course we are. And in fact, Jay is going to join us and just ride.

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his way through the whole episode with us. So let's get that started. As I mentioned earlier, last night I went to a show at the State Theater in Falls Church, Virginia. It was the Eddie Trunk, Jim Florentine, and Don Jameson show. It wasn't that metal show, but it was the guys from the show. Do you guys watch that show at all? I do, but I'm sort of ashamed to admit I watch it in a weird sort of way because they don't ever talk about bands I really care about. Right. I agree. It's not metal. And they're constantly apologizing for it.

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I think everybody's asked by the way. Agreed. Agreed. You're all nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they mentioned it on the show. They mentioned it online and they mentioned it again last night that, you know, even if they wanted to play heavier music, the show's on VH1 Classic and VH1 is only going to let them play stuff that is, you know, quote unquote popular with the largest amount of people. And frankly, Eddie just doesn't like extreme metal. Yeah. But I watch it because

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Because A, he's a big name in the metal community. In music in general. And so, you know, I'm looking for things that I can pick up for the podcast. Hey, he used to work for Megaforce Records. I mean, he was there at the beginning, man. Yeah, yeah, just like Slagle. And also, you know, just because I like extreme metal doesn't mean I don't like the stuff that he likes. You know, I like UFO and Kiss and things like that. So I still dig it. I actually love UFO, by the way. Yeah. And let me kind of give one disclaimer here. I watched it.

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So even though I'm critical, I watch them all. Yeah, I watch them too. I mean, I paid money to go see them last night. And I was a little disappointed though. Okay. Did Don and Jim do stand-up? Yeah. My wife didn't like it at all. I love Jim. I personally love Jim's stand-up. I love dirty humor. In the past, he used to be really dirty. They were. She didn't care for that. She liked Eddie. Of course, because Eddie's safe. Yeah. But he was

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Yeah, he's actually pretty funny too. Because you know, Jim's the special ed character from Crank Anchors and all that stuff. Yeah, he mentioned that. I didn't know that actually, that's cool. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he was talking how he paid for his house by playing a puppet. By playing a retard kid. Yeah. He has my, as it were, favorite guy on the show. And he always holds up, whenever they have their weekly picks, I always agree with his weekly picks more. He seems more like the kind of guy I could talk to, you know. Yeah, both Jim and Don seem to have broader tastes than Eddie does. Yeah, yeah.

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The show was just kind of disorganized. I mean, they came on a half hour late. I almost tweeted them because they had tweeted, you know, if I know Bukes saw this, I tweeted a picture of the front of the venue last night. And I noticed that Eddie tweeted one as well. And he included both Jim and Don on there. And the show was supposed to start at eight o'clock. It's 830. I'm like, come on. No, we were inside, but they hadn't come on. I'm like, all you have to do is walk out. It's not like you got to, you know, tune the drums and tune up your music.

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You just come out on a microphone, you know? And so I was going to tweet something sarcastic about, like, you know, Axl Rose. Sure. Like you do. But I didn't. You know, my wife's like, don't do that. So I didn't do it. So they finally came out, and Eddie actually came out first, and, like, he just told a little story about, like, the origin of the show, which was kind of funny. He did this bit about Zach Wilde that was pretty funny. And then he introduced Don,

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came out and did some stand-up. Nah. Don always seems like a second-rate comedian compared to Jim. I like him, but he was pretty dirty. Not that I care. I love that stuff. And then he introduced Jim, and Jim came out and did some slightly better comedy. And then all three of them came out and basically did a Q&A. Did you ask a question? I didn't. I was trying to think of one. And I wanted to figure out a way.

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I brought business cards. I wanted to be able to like, here's some podcast cards. Check us out. But it just didn't seem like a reasonable opportunity to do that. Buick is much more in people's face like that. I told my wife, I was like, if Buick was here, he would have done it. But, and then they did a stump the trunk, which was just a madhouse. You know, when they did the Q and a, like one or two people would come up at a time and just get on the microphone and ask a question. As soon as they were like, okay, if you want to do stump

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the trunk half the fucking place got up and like scrambled to the front and they were kind of like okay and they had like 13 items to give away and they're like all right as soon as those are gone we're done and and it was pretty much like 13 people in a row because everybody was just asking ridiculous questions he's like i don't know that yeah and then that was pretty much it and so i was like it was interesting it was cool to see them in person like pretty up close but the whole time i was thinking we could totally do this

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You tell them Steve Dave live. Seriously, I don't mean to keep shoving that down your

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throats, but they've done that live and I've watched those and they're great.

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And there are many people who would love to get together and listen to you talk about heavy metal and other things and also take part in whatever way they can. Yeah, people love that stuff, man.

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Yeah, I'm like, it's just a bunch of guys getting together and talking about what they know. And I'm like, we could totally do that.

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I can't charge $22 like they can, but it's inspiring in one sense and frustrating in another. It'd be cool to do that, but we just don't have the amount of people to do that sort of thing. But anyway, it was pretty cool. You should make some sort of overture, or maybe that's the wrong word. You should reach out to Kevin Smith's Modcast and see if there's someone you could be associated with that. You are of that type, and those guys

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You guys are all metalheads by the way. I'm sure you know that. I do. And I was actually considering getting a hold of Brian Johnson on Tell Him Steve Dave because Kevin ignored me. I actually met Kevin a couple years ago. It was before we started. We started just about a year ago. And it was just about two years ago that I met Kevin. And I'd been listening to his podcasts. And they came into town, into D.C. for a Jay and Silent Bob Get Old. Right on. And I went to see the show. I got VIP tickets so I could meet them.

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And, you know, Kevin always says, don't meet your idols. But Kevin and Jay were fucking cool. Those guys were awesome. I mean, you know, every meet and greet I've ever been to is like, everybody lines up, they're sitting at a table, you walk by, shake their hand, sign something, move on. Yeah, this was you. Everybody waited out in the theater. And Jay's wife would come out and grab you one at a time and take you to the dressing room. That's cool. And there was no predetermined time. It was like, you'd be in there for 10 minutes. And just as soon as you

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in, Kevin and Jay both come up and give you a hug. Wow. And they just start talking to you. And, you know, they were just like, hey, how'd you like the show? You know, blah, blah, blah. And it was just, I mean, my mind was blown. First of all, these people that I've been watching for 20 years, here they are just standing there giving me a hug and chatting with me. And then, you know, we took a picture. It was getting late. The metro was getting ready to close and I was going to get stuck in D.C. And I happened to mention that to Jay's,

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because I was like, I gotta get in there sooner or else I'm not gonna get in there at all. And she had mentioned that to them and they were all like, hey, let us know if you miss your train. You know, we'll get you home somehow. I was like, why do you care? That's awesome, dude. You know, so I can't say enough good stuff about those guys. You know, go ahead. And on his podcast, Kevin's always saying, if you have some friends and you like to talk about shit, do a podcast. And so when we did it, I wrote to him, sent him the picture we took.

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Hoping that would jog a memory. And it was like, hey, you inspired me to do this. Check it out. But I never heard anything. That was a great ending. I know Brian Johnson is a metal fan because I watch him on Comic Book Men and he's always wearing charred walls of the damned and stuff like that. So I thought maybe I'd send it to him. I think Walt is too. I was listening to one of their podcasts and somehow they got on King Diamond and they said, what was each other's favorite Merciful Fate song?

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So they're kind of in the know. I mean, they're not, you know, they grew up with it, I think. Yeah. We've been wanting to make a road trip up to their, the Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Stash up there in Red Bank. I would like to do that, too. I would like to do that, too. And I intend to someday. I would like to, I have never really, I've been to New York, but I haven't been, like, done the New England thing. I would love to go do that as part of it. I have to change gears real quick, because I have to tell you the famous person, meeting a famous person story that's going to kind of blow your mind.

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is pretty awesome.

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All right.

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And so I apologize for kind of getting off track here.

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But it was, I went to New York a few years ago.

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And I took a friend of mine with me.

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And I had long hair at the time.

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And he's a pretty alternative looking dude.

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He's got rings in his ears and nose.

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And he's got like a long beard.

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And we were going because Alex Gray's studio, this is the guy who does the cover art for Tool.

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I don't know how you guys feel about Tool.

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But his studio was about to close.

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I should let you say how you feel about Tool. Love him. Okay, cool. So we were going to go see his art studio before it closed because it's moving up north or something like that. And it just so happened that Iron Maiden was going to be playing the Meadowlands and Madison Square Garden within like a three-day period while we were there. And we'd both already seen that tour. I think it was the Somewhere Back in Time Tour of Camera, which is one of those fairly recent ones. So we get there, and we didn't buy tickets. We didn't get tickets to see Maiden. But we go out. We get to our hotel. We go out that night.

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Oh, no, no, no, we're in our elevator. And I'm like, I know that fucking guy. Who is that guy? And if you've ever watched any of the Iron Maid documentaries, there's this guy named Gadzi. And he used to be Nico's drum tech, but now he's like the road manager. And I was like, that's the guy from my, and I was like, dude, Iron Maid stayed in our hotel. And my friend's like, nah, fuck off. So we go out to eat at this pizza place and we come back. Sure enough, Dave Murray was standing outside smoking a cigarette. So we go in and Adrian Smith is sitting in the bar with his wife.

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So we go into the bar and we sit down and we have a beer. And it's a very small bar because it's Manhattan. And it's the hotel bar. And, you know, it's just not a lot of space for anything. Even a nice place doesn't have big space often. So it's a tiny little bar. And I'm like, dude, we got to go say something to him. You know what I mean? And my friend was like, yeah, I know. So we had at least two beers just to be able to do that. So we go up and we're like, hey, Adrian, just got to tell you, man, I've been listening since we were kids, blah, blah, blah.

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And his wife and him were so sweet and engaging. And they wanted to, like, what were you doing in New York? We talked for about a half an hour. And then, I mean, she had just gone to the Led Zeppelin reunion show. And she had pictures of her phone, on her phone, of her with Led Zeppelin. It was, like, killer, you know? Oh, man. But here's, so here's the kicker. So, and they were like, are you going to the shows? And we were like, we couldn't, we didn't, we said we couldn't get tickets, but we, in fact, hadn't tried. Yeah, but I didn't want to tell him that, you know? So, and he, and they said, oh, well, we'll get you some tickets.

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And I was like, oh, no, dude, don't worry about it. It's night, please. So that was the end of the conversation. We go back and we have our beer. And then this is what happens for the rest of the time we're there. We were there the whole time that Maiden was there. So one night they play Madison Square, the other night they play in the Meadowlands. We go out, we have our fun in New York, and we come back. And the bartender and the people who worked at the bar had, because of my long hair, thought we were in the band. So every night we would come back and they'd say, your party's in the bar. And they'd close the bar for just Iron Maiden. So every night we would come back.

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and they were in there.

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You weren't getting charged for drinks, right?

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I paid for mine, even though they were like,

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you know, you don't have to pay for this.

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There's a tab open, dude.

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And I just felt guilty.

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And I don't know why.

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I didn't want to like really, really live the lie.

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But so I paid for my beer.

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But yeah, man.

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So we like spent the whole week with these guys.

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That was awesome.

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It was super awesome.

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And that's it.

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And they were really nice to us. And they never said, like, how come you're the only two people in this bar? I don't know. You know what I mean? And by the time we left, we were all just kind of... Now you're part of Maiden. Now I am, in a way, I am part of Maiden. Now the royalty checks keep on coming in, right? So that was a rather long story, but I thought... No, that was awesome. Yeah, that's great. It's the kind of stuff we like to hear. Hey, George, we got canceled last week. We got to put the podcast off. Did we talk about Bruce? We did. We did? We did. Okay. Yeah.

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Hopefully he'll be better soon and we'll be seeing this new album that we know nothing about. Yeah, boy, they sure recorded that in secret. They did. And I wonder if it was because he was, I don't know. I read that they didn't know about it until after it was already done recording. Okay. So I don't think George is ready to lose Bruce yet. Not at all. That was a real surprise. I was real sorry to hear that. All right, moving on. So this next bit is my little jab at Buke. I was editing the last episode.

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And whenever he talks about Amon Amarth, he always leaves out the R. Amon Amarth? Amon Amarth. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you're talking about, but I'm listening to Amon Amarth. Right on. And I was thinking about this, and I'm like, I'm going to bust his balls about this. And I came up with a phrase for it called the inverted Brit. Because if you listen to people, the Brits, they always put R's on things that don't belong there. Yeah, Linder McCartney. Yeah.

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Or like there's a band called

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that's pronounced

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Acker Cocker.

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Okay.

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But it's

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would be

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spelled Acker Cock.

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Yeah.

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There's no R on the end, but you say Acker Cocker.

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Because it's like, yeah.

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And

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but you do the opposite.

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You take the R and get rid of it.

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They're like, no, I will not speak R.

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I guess I just heard it pronounced that way.

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And that's what I

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stuck with.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you told me that.

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And I'm like, so I've been paying close attention to it.

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And everybody else that says it that I've heard says Amon Amarth like it's spelled. Okay. Amon Amarth. Okay. I'm a mush mouth anyway. So. I just wanted to have a jab at you. Oh please. Jab at me. Because I am. I'm a fucking mush mouth. I fucking pronounce things wrong. You heard when we had Chuck and God. Oh yeah. What was your word? You created a word. I can't remember what it was now. I have to look that up. You created a word? Yeah. I created a word. I did. We have to go back and George will grab the

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soundbite, but I created a word. You should have it as a drop, George. Yeah. I just hit the key. Yeah, whenever we describe an album that I like, you hit the buke, made up word. Yeah, it was like you combined two words and made another word. Right on. All right. Something else I wanted to talk about, and when you buy vinyl, sometimes they give you a download code so that you can go get the MP3 version of it, which is great because back in the 80s when I would buy vinyl,

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I was always hesitant because it wasn't portable. I was like, I'm going to get the cassette so that I can put on my Walkman and take it with me. And so getting download codes with vinyl is the best of both worlds. You can have your nice quality sound at home and you get something to take with you. But vinyl is a high quality sound, but they give you an MP3 download code. And I got an album that I'm going to be talking about later that I just got that had a

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And I was like, sweet, maybe give me a high-definition download. And it was just a 320k MP3. And I was like, ugh. I paid like $20 for the vinyl. Yeah. No, at least. I'll get to what it was later. It's the possible number one album. That's cool. Go with it. And so now I'm thinking to myself, I paid like, actually, it was probably closer to $30 for the vinyl.

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Sure. We should probably talk about vinyl prices, by the way, but go ahead. And so I'm like, you know, if I want this high definition now, I got to pay at least another 10 bucks to buy the CD. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, I don't even want this download code for the 320K because, I mean, I took it, but I don't know. It just seems like if you're going to have a download code, it ought to be for at least as good as the quality of the format that you bought. Yeah. But otherwise, thanks for nothing. Yeah. Exactly. Or at least thanks for not quite as much.

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I mean, it's cool that they do it. They don't have to be doing it. I'm not trying to bust their balls too much, but if you're going to sell me a high-definition vinyl, give me a high-definition download, too. Well, some of them, too. I think there was one of the Mastodon packages for somewhere around the... In fact, I think I might have got it. I'll have to look at it. I think the package I got came with a flash drive version of the album, too. I'll have to double-check. I'll be honest with you, I had already bought the download, the other download.

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the store download.

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But I need to go look at that.

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I may have.

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So that's a better way to do it, though.

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You can do a large thing on a flash drive, you know.

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Yeah, totally.

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And I actually had a bad experience recently.

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I'm going to call it a bad experience.

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But there's a local band here called Black Wolf, who are kind of a doom band.

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And we played with them.

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And we trade.

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Bands always trade with each other, by the way.

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You'd be like, give us one of your shirts, and we'll give you one of yours.

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And they gave me their vinyl album, which I was pleased to have.

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And it had a download code, and it didn't work.

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I was so pissed.

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Oh, that sucks. Which is, I mean, they're like us. They're nobody, and they don't have a team of people working for them, but I was sort of disappointed by that. Yeah. Now, you just mentioned it, the cost of vinyl records. Do you think, like me, that they're overpriced? Well, they're more expensive. I'm surprised at how expensive they are, definitely. It's because of the low runs, you know? Yeah, you're right. But there's no need for it, though, is there? Sure. I mean, first of all, it's expensive to make vinyl no matter what.

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I think you're gonna find that and the fewer you make the more each one is gonna cost you know it's like the more you buy the cheaper it gets so if you're making something that's only 300 copies or 500 copies you know it's just it's gonna cost more well I even just tell you straight up you know here's your little insider we um to get a thousand of our CDs printed it was basically two two dollars a CD and it's a kick-ass package to do I think it's 250 records

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It's $1,800. So right there, that's a massive difference in cost. Yeah. And I mean, we wanted 180 gram and all that. But I mean, yeah, it's a big difference. I'm not a math mind. What's that breakdown to a piece? I was hoping one of you guys would handle that for me. Don't ask me. Ask George. It's probably what? It's got at least $8 or $10. Yeah. It might be more than that even. Huh. Yeah. So yeah, you know, to make profit on that, you got to like mark it up at least 200%.

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Absolutely. And the $30 records are probably paying more than $8 to $10 a piece. Because we're talking about usually some pretty nice packages, you know. And a lot of times it's double vinyl, so. Yeah, exactly. So. Yeah. But it's worth it, you know. Some of those packages are pretty damn nice. Oh, dude. I mean, I'm not even going to complain about it. I do think they're expensive. I've balked a few times. Every once in a while I'll be like, okay, not today. But just as often I'm like, you know, okay, that's worth $40.

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I just bought Isis Oceanic. I was telling you I like that record. That just came out, remastered, double vinyl. Sounds brilliant. I think that was $35. I didn't even think twice about it. I was like, hell yeah. When I first started buying vinyl, $20, $30 was like, hmm. I'm going to stop and think about that. I've done it enough now that it's like, yeah, no problem. Whatever. I also just point out to you, though, that you and I were buying vinyl when it was $7.99. You know what I mean? It's part of that. They were pretty shitty records, though.

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of the records in the 70s were really flimsy. The quality audio was horrible on them. Yeah. So really, we're in a new era here, you know. I like the new vinyl now. They put the vinyl in cardboard sleeves that are nice and printed. Yeah. Back in the day, and you still get these, they would put the vinyl in plastic. Yeah. This plastic thing that is impossible to get back inside the sleeve. All the metal blades were like that.

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Yes. Not all of them, but a lot of them. Yeah. It's like, just give me something that I can get back inside the stupid, you know, jacket. Yeah. And so it's really nice, the nicer covers. They're better now. Here's an attention to detail thing I love. And I'm sorry to tell you, I can't recall what it is. I'll have to look through my collection. But it's a reissue of maybe Merciful Fate, Melissa. And that had one of those album sleeves that the

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inside sleeve that you would drop the record in and it would eventually tear through the bottom because you were an idiot and you didn't do it right. But here's some cool thing they did on the reissue. And I really don't know if it's that record, but it was a record. It came with that sleeve and the record would properly go in the sleeve. But they also put the record in an entirely different white card clear middle sleeve so you wouldn't ruin that sleeve. Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. It's a little touch, you know. Yeah. So I have to check out what that was. Yeah, that's the great thing about vinyl. All the little things.

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that you get differently that you don't get with digital or even with cassettes. There's a band George and I mentioned. I mentioned earlier on when I bought one of their albums, Ares Kingdom. Ares. Ares Kingdom, thank you. Their album, their box set actually comes in a little box that you actually take. It doesn't make displaying it on your shelf real nice, but you actually take the lid off and inside

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the box, there's the record. Really nice, solid packaging. Small local band from Ohio, I believe, but cool little packaging that they had for their album. Hey, man, I'm all about packaging. You're going to love our CDs when I send them to you, and you'll love the albums more. Sweet. I mean, because we really went out of our way, but I just bought the remission, Massadona remission reissue, and that's badass. That opens up, it's got a big-ass book in it and stuff. It comes in a box. I love that stuff.

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Are you contacting a lot of vendors for this type of stuff? Like you said, you know, you let us see your vinyl record, but do you contact a lot of vendors for this and stuff? To sell the records? No, to get different designs, packaging, all that type of stuff. Or is there like one company you guys have to go through? There's a few, but the truth is, is that there's a few front ends and the absolute truth is that there's only one or two companies that actually do the printing. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. So you're going to end up with one or one or two.

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No matter what, but some of them have, some of the front end people have better service and that kind of thing. And they may do like the printing of the artwork differently. I don't know for sure. But, and then there's some pricing structures that are different and that kind of thing. But, you know, you can, one cool thing about the end music industry being in sort of death throes, at least as far as the old material is concerned, these old ways of doing things, guys like us can kind of afford to do this now and they'll talk to us. You know what I mean? Like that was different back in the day, man.

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The last couple of months, you know, we all work, we all got jobs. You know, George and I, we dropped thousands of bucks the last couple months on records. Absolutely. You know, a lot of kids getting into metal now, you know, they may be getting one vinyl a month, if that. Yeah, I don't understand that level of obsession. You need to really be thinking about it a little more often, man. Come on. You know what I mean? I'm the same. I'm always looking, you know.

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We have a rather famous one called Amoeba that unfortunately is not as vinyl rich as it was when I first moved here but they're starting to kind of come back now because vinyl is making its resurgence. Then there's a great one called Rasputin that I like and they've got a few chains and that's local but they're pretty large. And then we have probably one of my favorite ones is called Aquarius Records in the city, San Francisco we call it the city.

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And it's just weird black metal shit. It's the coolest place. And I mean, he also has like, you know, he'll have other things. Like he'll probably carry our record for us. But I'm worried about some killer bands from this guy. Weakling. Remember Weakling, if you don't know Weakling. And also Leviathan. I don't know if you guys know Leviathan. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like Leviathan? Not me. It's brutal. It's hard to get into. It's hard to get into, fair enough. But that guy, he lives here and he's just, he does all that stuff by himself.

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Yeah.

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And so Aquarius is cool.

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And they have their own little label, too, that they put stuff on.

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So we got a couple, you know.

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But it's not like it used to be.

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When I used to go to Amoeba, you would look at, just to pick a random generic band,

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you'd look at ACDC, they'd have everything plus two boots that you'd never heard of, you know.

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Now you go in there and they've got like Back in Black and Highway to Hell, you know.

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And that's kind of sad, you know.

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But their straight up metal section is better.

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Which incidentally, I got a new thing to say about something to talk about, which is I don't know what it's like with you, but here in Amoeba, you go into the metal section and now to people that means Slayer and heavier stuff and bands like Iron Maiden are in rock. Yeah. That's the thing. That's an interesting development to me. I see it sometime like here we have a couple local shops in our town. Actually, we're kind of lucky. We have three vinyl record shops in our town.

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Most of them don't have a dedicated metal section. If they do, I don't like to help, I hate to badmouth them, but it's because the kids ordering the metal records order what they like or the names that they know. Yeah. So it's the same obscure, like our local record shop, there's like four weed eater records. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And like, what's the point? Yeah. It's like, what's the point? But then there's no opeth. There's no nothing else to go with it. Yeah. You can tell them there's not a metal guy working at the

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Yeah, but yeah, and then they'll even admit it was like, hey, there's no metal person working here. So we saw a pentagram reissue that we thought we would buy. But then we, if we drive up to Baltimore, like one of the best voted shops in the nation, Soundgarden, they have an A through Z metal section. That's pretty much the same thing every week. And then they have a miscellaneous couple bins that, you know, George and I can do some damage on every once in a while. Yeah. Do you guys order your records a lot of them? I do. Yeah, him and I do.

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I've got so much of what you're going to find in the stores now. I mean, I've got over 1,200 vinyl. Right on. And at this point, the stuff that I'm looking for, it's just so obscure that, you know, I have to go straight to the label or eBay or something like that. Right on. George and I last week, we, it's like two weeks ago, Relapse Records did a $40 grab bag. 40 bucks got you 10 random vinyls. No shit. Yeah. So it's a fact that's still going on now.

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We're waiting for that to show up. Yep. Or you can pay, what, $20 for five random vinyls. Dude, I would totally do that when I get off. Yeah, exactly. Because George said, okay, $40 for 10? Hey, who cares? It's fun to relapse, too. Exactly. Yeah, I did something like that with Century Media, and it worked out. I mean, I think it was only five. I got like a sentenced double that I already had, but the other four were ones I didn't have, so it was worth it. And there were things you liked?

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For the most part, yeah. Do you have a trade? Do they trade at this place where you go? No. Like old albums that you don't want? No, they have, you know, they're buybacking records, but no, I've never seen the availability for trading in any of this. Yeah. Amoeba's big on that as so is Resputin. You take them and you get a bigger trade value than your cash value. Really? Yeah, and if it's something you don't listen to, or I'm about to out myself here, but if it's something that skips, that's a horrible thing.

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No, no, it's not, Jay. Put it off on someone else. Wipe your hands clean. It's someone else's problem now. They can't complain when they buy it for a used price. Exactly, Jay. They probably won't listen to it anyway. Jay, I've done the same thing with video games. I've been like, hey, this game doesn't work. You know, I traded it in. No, I'm even more. I sell it on eBay. It's someone else's problem now. There you go. To be fair, the most recent version of this was a Master of Puppets reprint.

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And I was so mad because Master Puppets is not that easy to find on vinyl for a reasonable price. And I got one in shrink wrap branding. Oh, man, it went all the way through the thing that would not be. No, it wouldn't even skip through it. Just hip, do, hip, do, hip, do, you know, one of those things. I was just like, oh, I wanted to cry. So it got traded in. Yeah, it got traded in. Someone else was like, man, this record sounds horrible. So before every episode, Buke takes to Twitter and now Facebook.

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and puts out a request to anyone that's got any questions they want to ask or anything like that. As usual, our old standby Will came back with some stuff that he asked us to talk about. He asked us to talk about our favorite metal cover songs and favorite metal album art. Those are good ones. I have a great cover song. And in fact, I've heard this for years. I just listened to it again the other day. This is off of No Place for Discriminers.

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Grace, Flotsam and Jetsam's cover of Elton John's Saturday Night's All Right for Fighting. What a fucking... I forgot how good of a cover song this was until I heard it the other day. I forgot how good it was until you just mentioned it. Yes! It is good, but I will tell you this. It was the one they fought with the label over. They were like, that was right when they were starting to make thrash bands do that kind of thing. Okay. And I don't know if they let them pick the song, but that was a fight. There was a fight behind it. Really? And I actually saw them on that tour because I lived in Tucson at the time.

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How killer of her album is this, George? That record in general is great. That's amazing. It still seems like a lot of people today don't even talk. It doesn't get the praise that I think it should. Flotsam's never gotten the attention they should get. No, they haven't. You know, and I actually saw them play right before the record came out. And they were kind of the local Tucson heroes, and there was two crowds at that point. There was the ones that decided to hate Metallica because Jason Neustad went to them. And there was the ones that loved both or whatever. But it was the only show I've ever been to where the Mosh

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was so intense that they had to replace the carpet in the place when I left. Holy shit. Yeah, it was like that kind of like turf, like AstroTurf thing. Yeah. Yeah, and it was just ripped up. I saw this one guy and his jaw was like sideways and he went right back in. It was great. Oh my God. I went to a Cannibal Corpse show that they broke the barrier between the stage and the crowd. They broke the barrier. They had to stop the show because somebody was going to impale themselves on the barrier. Was this back in the day or more recently? It was, I don't know,

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It's gonna be like 10-15 years ago. Right on. Alright, well I got a cover for you that you might not have heard too. And I'm still, my mind's spinning though because I don't know if I'm gonna call this my best cover. But there's a, there was some period of time or just maybe it was a weekend, I don't know, where Dream Theater jammed with Bruce Dickinson. And they did a kick-ass version of Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. Hearing Bruce sing that is amazing. Nice. I have never heard that. It's so good. It's so good, man. And there's other stuff too. It's just like they just did all these

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together and I act perfectly blind. I can't remember what they all are, but you can probably find them somewhere pretty easy, maybe even on YouTube. I feel like there was a tribute album, like the Black Sabbath tribute album. Is that on it? That was called, I can't remember, but it had like Sepultura doing Supernaut? I think it's called Nativity in Black. Nativity in Black, thank you. And I'm pretty sure Bruce is on there, but it wasn't with Dream Theater though, and he did Sabbath

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And that was pretty awesome. Cool. Very cool, man. And I'm still kind of searching my mind. Do you have a, what did you have a pick? I have one that I want to mention. I can't say for sure whether it's my favorite one, but one that I always go back to because it's just so damn interesting is an Italian band called Rain Time. And they do a cover of Michael Jackson's Beat It. And it's just fucking metal. And I think I might have heard it.

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It is really cool. And I always go back to that. But beyond that, like, I was thinking, I was trying to give other ones and I'm like, just about every metal cover that I love is Metallica. I love their Stone Cold Crazy. I love all their Diamond Head remakes. You know, it's like, so what? You know, that's another great one. Have you ever heard Typo Negative do Summer Breeze? I have. I love that one too. I thought about that. That's a nice pull. That's a good one.

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I actually heard the original song the other day. I was like, oh yeah, Summer Breeze. Yeah, that's a killer. And I like those guys in general. I really like their records. And that's a cool song. That's a real cool cover of that. Yeah, Typo was amazing. Yeah, I'm coming to blank maybe too much. I wish I had thought of that one in advance. I might have come up with something kind of obscure. But the ones I mentioned really do matter to me. Those are ones I like. You know, you could say the obvious Priest ones, you know, and that kind of thing. But I don't know if you've ever heard the original version of Green Man Alicia. I kind of like that better.

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I have not. Do you know who did it? Fleetwood Mac or something like that? It was, but Fleetwood Mac was a whole different band. There was a guy named Peter Green. Right, the early stuff. Yeah, and it's just none of the others. They were like this Zeppelin-ass jam band. And it's brilliant. It's just so good. It's like the first heavy metal song in a way. Awesome. Anybody have any album art? I do. One that jumps right out to me. As we're surrounded by two posters from Man of War, I think for a while,

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there, when they got this character, I don't know if he has a name, the guy with the long flowing black hair and the no face, the sexy ripped chest and abs. Actually, it's a self-portrait. Yeah, it's George. It's George reincarnated. That's a fucking badass logo, like the Kings of Metal album cover. Yeah, right on. Or the Warriors of the World. But my favorite album art is, I guess this is a history buff in me.

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This is Ice Earth's...

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Oh, right on.

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I just drew a blank.

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Sorry, The Glorious Burden.

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Well, that's the Civil War from Gettysburg.

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Just that art is like a piece of art, actually, on an album cover.

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Yeah.

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It's a really cool cover, I thought.

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And then, you know, on the front, you see them engaged in combat, the North versus South,

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and you flip it over on the back, and it's nighttime, and you see all the dead bodies everywhere.

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So it's pretty cool album art.

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I had trouble coming up with just like one. I was like, you know, I didn't have a lot of time to put into this because he just suggested this last night. Yeah, he did. I should really probably ask on Monday or Tuesday. Yeah, they give us a little time to think about it. And so I was racking my brain. And the one that I kept coming back to, it's nothing going to be too surprising. Pretty much anything Derek Riggs, Iron Maiden. Yeah. Yes. That was where I was going to go first. Yes, yes. It's timeless. Yeah.

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It's true, dude. I mean, I would give the edge to Number of the Beast. I think that's the best cover. Over Power Slave? I would even put Peace of Mind before Power Slave. Wow! I'll tell you what I like, though, is that they have a chronology to them. Because, you know, if you look at it, that's the whole point is that, so there's the Number of the Beast, and that's kind of nowhere, really. But then you have Peace of Mind, and they've stolen his brain, and then now he's dead, so he's the figure being, you know,

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being taken through. Jay, I'm about to take my headphones off and walk off the podcast. You've just blown my fucking mind. Seriously, I have never caught on to that. Oh, sure. And then what live after death is that it coming back to life? Yeah, this is blowing my fucking mind. Seriously. Oh, yeah. And he keeps going. I mean, by like seventh son, he's all he's all ripped to pieces. Hold on. Is that why on fucking the final frontier he's in space like a cyborg? Probably. I think it gets a little mushy after that, but I'll buy that.

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I mean, you know, I think all of them, I had a friend that, by the way, used to have this, and I'm just bear with me here because I can't repeat it for you, but he used to have a theory about how they all kind of basically matched the tarot cards. Oh my God. My mind, I may not say anything else during the rest of the podcast. My mind is so fucking blown right now. Don't feel, don't feel sad, man, because I, somebody had to tell me that, you know what I mean? At some point, somebody did have to say like, no way.

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It is like, you know, like how people say, like, if you look at a dollar bill, like there's like four hidden secrets about like Illuminati and stuff. Yeah. My mind is blown right now, Jay. It's not my favorite Maiden album, but the Somewhere in Time cover, I've spent a lot of time pouring over that because it's got all the song titles hidden in there. And all the references. And all the references, you know, and it's just like, whoa, you just sit there and stare at it and like get out a magnifying glass. And this is where vinyl helps. I totally agree. Yeah. And just like look at it.

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all the different references.

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It's kind of somber, but you look at the album cover.

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Master of Puppets is a pretty powerful album cover, too.

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Oh, totally.

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Yeah, it is.

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You know, Jake, that's one thing.

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I know you're about to print some CDs in vinyl.

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I think that's what's kind of lost in digital art now.

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Yeah, I agree.

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In digital downloads and stuff.

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It's not having that physical album art anymore.

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To, like, stare at it.

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Yeah, to, like, look and hold it in your hands and really put it close to your face

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and see that little, you know? Yeah, and make stories up in your head while you're listening to music when you're a teenager, man. I mean, you... Or blow your mind when you get the realization about Iron Maiden albums. Absolutely. Holy shit. I'm looking at it right now on my phone and it literally makes sense. Did you have a specific other album art? Me? Yeah. Nah. I mean, you know, there's a million things I like and I don't want to just kind of go with something that we've been talking about, but there are things that I... Well, yeah, okay, you know what? I think Heaven and Hell has a brilliant... Oh, yeah.

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You know, the angels sitting there smoking cigarettes. I think that's awesome. That's a really good cover. That's a classic. And I would like to put forth Live Evil, too, which is that all of the figures on the cover of Live Evil are figures from the songs, you know, and I think that's brilliant. And it's a beautiful painting. Can I mention, though, the simple, it was the album came out a couple years ago, Carcass, their Surgical Steel album. Just the simple instruments laying on the sheet. Oh, that's a cool album, Mark.

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I just got that on vinyl as a gift from our bass player. So yeah, and it's the picture disc actually. But yeah, I agree. That's a very good thing. What do you think about picture discs? I worry about them. I worry about the sound quality. I'm not entirely sure. I'm on the fence about whether it's specifically worse or not. I waited for this new Iron Maiden repressings because I didn't want those picture disc ones. Because you guys know they just did that. You probably have them all. It makes displaying them because a lot of them come in that plastic

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a plastic sheet.

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And you can't really put it...

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Oh, okay, Jay, here's a good question.

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This is for George also.

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Are you a plastic on or plastic off type of guy?

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Shrink wrap, you mean?

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Yeah, shrink wrap.

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I take the shrink wrap off, but I bought a lot of records that came in that heavy-duty plastic.

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Yeah, I take it off and throw it away because I want a nice, clean look on the shelf.

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I like to have the stickers on there.

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I feel bad throwing the Mylar away, though.

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So if it's a nice Mylar one, because I bought some records like that.

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Like a couple of the high-end fire issues came with these protective like plastic sleeves. I keep those. I buy those for all of mine. You do for every single one? Every single one. Yeah, I've got like bags and bags and bags. Good. Actually, I'd like so I have a question too then for both of you guys about if you're in a record store and you see the 180-gram repressing peace of mind and you also see an 80s peace of mind, which one would you buy? I could speak on this because I saw Alice in Chains Unplugged, which is my favorite.

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album of all time, even metal, non-metal. I saw a repress of 180 gram. I grabbed it because in my naive not knowing music, I only assume, hey, it's a heavier album. Why not buy it? Yeah. But it didn't come in any other format. Oh, didn't it? That was all there was? Yeah. That was all there was? I mean, I guess I don't think there ever was. They didn't print it originally back in the 90s? No, it was early 90s. Vinyl was done by then. Nobody was. Yeah, I didn't know. So, but are you an original issue guy, given the choice?

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And Justice selling for $45,000.

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There's a remaster, sorry, not remaster, but a reissue selling for $20. I'll buy the $20 one. Yeah. Because I'm going to hold on to it. I'm not going to try and flip it 30 years from now, you know? I would make a kind of a point here, too, which is if it was the collectible quality, I would wager personally that the reissue has a higher collectible quality because they probably printed $50,000 of the original run of that, you know? Yep. That's a good point.

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of the new one. So you probably have a more obscure run, so to speak. Just because it's in the store right now doesn't mean shit. I think 10 years from now would be worth more, and I don't think any of us cares what our records are worth. Not really. Yeah, but I am one of those guys that I'll buy the new pressing every time. Right on. Yeah, I like new stuff. I like it to look good. If it's going to get ruined, I'll do it. So I got an email earlier today from one of our listeners, a guy I've talked to before in the past, and I wanted to give him a shout out.

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His name is Neil Smith. And he wrote me a great email. I'm not going to go into too much detail on that. But he pointed out in the last episode, we did a thing about back-to-back-to-back good, great classic albums from bands. Three in a row. I can do that for hours, by the way, so watch out. What's that? I can do that for hours, but please go ahead. And he pointed out one to me that I missed that is, I had to slap my head over this, which was Voivod with their Killing Technologies.

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Dimension Hattros and Nothing Face. Yeah, that's a good call. And I'm maybe standing alone on this one, but I'd add a fourth on there and throw Angel Rat on there. Oh, no, I agree. Yeah, I don't have that. I wouldn't. I don't think that wheels were coming off the train or anything like that. I'd like to know ones you guys mentioned briefly. My three that I mentioned was the classic Slayer three. That's good. I'm trying to think what else I mentioned.

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I did Metallica, Ride the Lightning Puppets, and Justice. Fair enough. I did, gosh, I did a four in a row, which was a band called Sentenced. You ever heard of them? Uh-huh. Which I did Down, Frozen, Crimson, and Sound of White Light. Oh, right. I have my three, actually, being a fan of the band. I have Opeth, I have Blackwater Park,

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Deliverance and Skipping Over Damnation onto Watershed. Sorry, Ghost Reveries adding a fourth Watershed. That's a good one. That's a good run. That's a freaking amazing run there. I think I did Iron Maiden 2 with Number of the Beast, Peace of Mind. Jay, what did you think, quickly, what did you think of Damnation? Was that the heavy one? That was the soft acoustic one. I liked it, actually. I did like it, and I saw them. I thought it was a good idea, and there wasn't a lot of people doing that kind of thing.

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at that time. Right in that very moment. I had the good fortune to see them on the Deliverance tour and then they came back and they played the Fillmore and did Damnation and they played with Porcupine Tree who he's crazy about. Yeah, I saw that. I was on that tour. I liked it. I thought it was a good record. In fact, I really liked it. I thought it was a good record. Do you have three albums in a row? I'm going to do a little bit better. I'm going to jump. This one is always in my brain.

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It's really, I think, just one of the best runs in music ever. Okay. I mean, and there's a lot of them. There's a lot. You could come up with a lot. But this is one of my favorites, and it's more than three records. But it is, and it's a Ronnie James Dio run. It's the Rainbow Records into the Black Sabbath Records and into Holy Diver. It's like five or six of the most seminal metal albums in a row that involve one man. And I think they're all brilliant. Yeah, it's funny that you mention it. You suggested a topic we'll talk about later.

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But you have like Richie Blackmore's Rainbow, Rainbow Rising into the Sabbath stuff. Oh, man. It's too much. I mean, it's like he was the center of the universe for a while there. You know what I mean? Like just brilliant stuff. And I have other ones like that that run across others too. You know, they run across like some guy left and went somewhere else and that kind of thing. Or I could do it with Sabbath too. I would say Sabbath. You can almost pick anything from Sabbath Blaze, Sabbath Back to the First.

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and have an amazing three records.

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It almost makes you wonder, if you were Ronnie James,

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if you realized how great your last album was going into your next album,

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if you're like, hey, I need to try and top this.

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Yeah, because he was just doing what he was doing.

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Yeah, he was just doing what he was doing.

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So that's definitely, that's like one that I don't even have to think.

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Yeah, I didn't even think about it.

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And I'm a huge, I love Dio so much, I got a puppy a couple years back.

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His name's Dio.

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Right on, yeah.

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When he died, you know, I put a thing on my Facebook page,

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age at the time that said if Dio goes we all go. You know what I mean? George was devastated. I still get weepy if I listen to Dio in the car. Sure. Did you listen to the Dio tribute album that came out like a year ago? But now I'm starting to think that was wrong of me and I and I they talked about it actually on that metal show and recently and then I heard somebody else say something. George and I talked talked about it. I think it's been on was it did it come out last year or this year? Last year. Last year. Was it on one of your top lists? No it wasn't on top of us but we've

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We talked about it last episode with Jack Black and Kyle from Tenacious D winning the Grammy for it. Right. They did the Last in Line cover. I'll pick it up. You guys are putting your stamp of approval. Oh, definitely. Okay, cool. No, I haven't got it, but I will get it. I think I got scared off of tributes for a while, but everybody's talking about that one. So I'll pick it up. I will pick it up. I mean, it's so cool.

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I mean like the anthrax cover of neon nights that's definitely one of my favorites on there I can picture that I'm so happy that the Joey's back in the band I don't know what you think of anthrax but I was not a big fan of the John Bush era I think Joey sounds better now than he did in the 80s yeah worship music was incredible agreed and did you go see that tour yeah we went to that it was amazing did you see the one where they did that living from start to finish

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No, I wish.

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It just was that.

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It was them, High and Fire, and Exodus, and maybe somebody else.

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And it was brilliant.

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He sounded so good.

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And I think, by the way, I agree with I thought Worship Metal.

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I think that's second to Among the Living in their catalog.

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That's what I think.

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It was that good.

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Definitely.

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So the next topic that I wanted to talk about is, I'm always swiping stuff from the other

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things that I listen to, and on the Metal Sucks podcast, they were talking to, gosh,

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who were they talking to?

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I don't remember. But the thing they were talking about, oh, it was the, I think it was the Decibel magazine editor. I think it was, yeah. And they were talking about who's going to be the next up and coming band or bands to be the huge metal bands that we've got now. You know, when Metallica goes away, when Iron Maiden goes away, when Black Sabbath goes away, these are the bands that currently, they head the festivals and they play the huge arenas. Everybody's wearing their shirts.

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Yeah, and I've never really thought about it. I've always thought, well, when those bands go away, Lamb of God will take over, or, you know, some other... You know who I thought it would be? Amon Amar. Sorry to interrupt you. You know who I thought it was going to be before Dimebag's Untimely Murder? Pantera. Pantera. Yeah, probably would have been. Yeah. And they were talking about it like, well, they, metal bands just aren't that big anymore. That there isn't really anybody that can take their place to the end of the world.

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the extent that they are now. And when I heard that, I got this cold chill of like, oh my god, metal could die. And then I was like, no, it's not going to die. But, you know, but the landscape of metal could certainly change because when these bands go away, it's going to be strictly a club thing. You know, Lamb of God is not going to be playing at Yankee Stadium. Never. It's just never going to happen. While they may be waving the flag for American metal. Sure. And they are like the biggest,

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American band out there right now.

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But the landscape is going to have to change.

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We talked about this a couple weeks back.

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When I was talking about who flies the flag for metal now, there isn't anybody.

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Remember, I brought up a topic that we discussed.

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It's all been done before.

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These were all groundbreaking bands for their time.

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And you saw this in other genres where the Beatles, they were their groundbreaking band.

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And I think it's a little more accessible with pop music because people, the whole nation listens to it. Right. Here in metal, I don't think we're going to get to the stadium band again because, first off, you know, we're not popular. We're not listened to by everybody. And it's all been done before. Maybe the excitement isn't there. Right. Like it used to be. While there's still great metal bands, we may be consigned to just clubs. Local film wars. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. I don't particularly care to see bands in arenas.

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Sounds like shit. I much prefer clubs. But just the fact that we would lose that capability. I mean, you know, I'd love to see Metallica in a club, but you got to admit Metallica or Iron Maiden even put on a hell of a good large stage show. Yeah. And so Metallica play at Raven Stadium for three hours years back. Amazing. And to think that that's not going to be around in a few more years because nobody of that caliber is just is up to the top of the show.

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and coming. Even though they're great bands, they just don't have the pulling power. That universal appeal. Yeah. It's just like, wow. It is strange. But, you know, I think there's a lot of reasons for it. I think one is just the fractured nature of what has happened to the genre, because there's just so many subgenres now, and a lot of them are easily labeled extreme, and you know that's not going to fill up the stadium. No. And then I think about that, but also, you know, the whole music industry, it doesn't

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I would still kind of label them extreme in a way.

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by the way, I love them, but I can see why they're not filling the stadiums. But I'm inclined to say that there will always be, and I'm not necessarily holding these guys up as a metal band, but there will always be like another Guns N' Roses. Eventually, somebody will come up and it'll just be this thing that somehow gets to people. Well, we mentioned that earlier. Isn't that what Avenged Sevenfold is? Isn't that what people now? Yeah, and I've sort of, you know, while I'm not particularly a fan, I have argued in favor of them for that reason that while... Because you look at this.

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It's a term I've heard used before describing other things. Middle America gets behind those bands. You look at what's huge right now on the festival scene, Avenged Sevenfold, Five Finger Death Punch. And Slipknot. And Slipknot. Because I don't even know either of those bands' music. I mean, Slipknot I know, but it's that weird. Exactly. I don't listen to them. George doesn't listen to them. But again, Middle America, most of the people putting on FM radio.

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radio every day, that's what they're still listening to. And they're selling crazy amounts of records on today's numbers. Yeah. And so I just want to say, too, that's not just let's bring this back to me. That was why we called Baptisteima that because we feel like it was like when, you know, I can't stand that that those guys are the dinosaurs right now. That bugs me. Oh, yeah, it does. Because I don't think like it really represents. It's too hot topic, just like you guys said. Yeah. You know, which, by the way,

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I agree with the thing, something you said one or two podcasts ago about that Slipknot, there was just some luck involved in that. Bless their hearts. I mean, but I still never quite figured what took off there. Yeah, I like their more recent material, oddly. It's not bad. I mean, I don't dislike them, but if you gave them to me with six other records and said, pick which one is filling larger venues, and I don't know that I would have chosen them. It's crazy. Yeah.

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what happens next? That's a good question. I kind of like the local thing in its way. And I do think it's hard to judge. I don't think they even know who can fill a stadium anymore because you don't know how many records anybody's selling either, you know? Yeah. Maybe, guys, it just transitions to metal bands just don't fill stadiums anymore. And it just transitions to the summer festivals remain what it is. Whatever radio band is big at that time is the headliner. And we just remain in the clubs for a thousand, two thousand people.

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With the exception that even though they might still be clubs and or theaters, metal bands from America do go and film much larger places in Europe. Oh yeah, totally. Of course. And that's part of the problem too. I don't know why our culture is so much more disposable and has to be about the new latest thing. They see heavy metal as this art form that came along and remained legitimate. Whereas in America it's like, yeah, it sold a bunch of records in the 80s. How are we going to sell a bunch of records in the 90s? That's too bad.

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That's too bad because I think there are enough of us out there to fill a stadium for the right.

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I saw this news story last week.

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There's a festival going to be happening in Illinois.

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Illinois, yeah.

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I believe later on in the year.

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I didn't see any big names on the label.

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No, I think the biggest one was, I can't remember.

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It was like Cannibal Corpse or something.

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But, Jay, they are going to try a three-day festival here in the States like they do with a walk-in.

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or an open air festival. Do you think that can work here in the States? If they had the right bands, I'd go. Even if I had to get on a plane to do it. I'm jealous of those, man. I don't really do that much anymore, but I used to look and see who was playing and I'd be like, you mean to say I could see Saxon, Mastodon, and that new band that I love, whoever they are, all in two days? I think I would do that at least once. We've been wanting in the last couple years to try and go

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I tried to work it out with a friend too once but we didn't. The tickets sell out immediately now and so it's just like and I don't know German so. I'm no Burning Man fan but it's like such a big thing now that that's what happens that's yeah. Yeah well this new one what was it called like Frontal Assault or Frontal Assault or something like that and I was like huh I might just have to do that I mean Illinois that's not too that's that's drivable for me I'm not a big flyer and but then I looked at the list of bands and I'm like

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I don't know any of these bands. I'm not going to go drive for a full day and then camp out for a couple of nights for bands I've never heard of. No, hell no. No, but it is a shame. Like that big four thing, that should have gone all the way across the United States. Should have. Yeah. Or something similar. I mean, you could, any number of the guys who are still kind of just hanging on, I mean, you know, and I mean guys that can't feel big places. You could five of them together, you could feel a big place. So, I don't know. I mean, I, who knows.

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who knows what it's all going to come down to. I mean, you'd be, you wouldn't, you won't be shocked, but you might be shocked for me to tell you, oh, dude, we played to two people. I mean, you know, the scene is not what it used to be. No. Yeah. So you know what it's like to be the guys in Anvil, huh? Ouch. Sorry, Lips. Yeah, we just had to, we just had to at some point just say we don't care, you know. Sometimes there's 50 people there and sometimes there's 10. And it's because the scene is, we had a part of the

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The problem too is people just listen to singles and there's not like a

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You know, you guys love albums. There's not that many people love albums anymore. No, no, you know

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And on top of that

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There's not that many people who are the local scene was more relevant in the past, you know

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Now you have access to the whole world's music and at the tip of your fingers, you know, yeah

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And I don't think that's a good excuse to not go to shows, but it's changed things so much

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It is to be you were like people you

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You know if you lived in even a medium-sized kind of like market

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that would be, you know, your local band was probably going to end up opening for whatever, you know, medium-sized band came to town. And you loved that band. You know what I mean? They were your fucking band, man. They were your metal band or whoever the hell that's changed, you know? Yeah. It's like the internet has simultaneously made everything so much easier and so much harder, you know? That's progress. It's harder for us, you know? It's hard for us to get our album heard because there's so many other bands getting their albums heard. And on the other hand, I can reach out to millions of

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people at the same time to try to get my album heard. So it's a weird conundrum. And to me, that all factors into this whole filling stadiums thing. I don't even think we know who the really popular ones are. The ones that we've mentioned so far are all guys that have gotten decent record deals. And so it's still sort of like the record labels still control it. People have to put more faith in the independent thing. Totally. Jay, you know more than George and I do. You know, Kickstarter,

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has changed the face of music today. Bandcamp,

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Facebook,

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everything. It's changing so fast

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now. It is.

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You know, you, Jay, you probably get offline

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when we get off today.

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You probably spend your days

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off. You probably have a

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Facebook footprint, a Twitter

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footprint, any

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other social media footprint you can

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just to try and get your band out there

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to try and stay relevant

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because you know what? There's some

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sophomore band, high school band from whoever, Kansas, that's about to release their stuff. And because they got a lot of friends in high school, they're going to get their stuff exposed to a lot more people than you were, even though you guys got the fucking talent. You hit the nail on the head, dude. That's exactly how it works now. And it's so weird. It's so weird. Because you know what? Anybody who has access to the internet now, they rival you. Yep. And so it's like this big, huge contest that didn't used to be.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And you also, by the way, you also used to have to, this goes all the way back to the Kiss days when I could only imagine what those guys looked like when they moved around on stage.

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It was just pictures.

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All I had was pictures, you know, and that kind of thing.

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And you might see something on TV every once in a while, but think of any band now and just go YouTube them and you can see just about every song they have live somewhere.

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You know what I mean?

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And so that's changed that too.

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And this isn't all, by the way, complaining on my part.

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It's just, it's a weird world and I don't think we've figured it out yet.

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Which incidentally, by the way, we did do a Kickstarter to print our record, and that was... Oh, great. Hey, Jay, let me ask you this, and then we'll get back into the news topics. This is something I'm curious about. Was there ever a point where you... I'm trying to build my thoughts. Was there ever a point you looked at it when you were just like, fuck it, it's not even worth it now? Before this band, I was in another band, and it was more based on the fact that, A, we played to some empty places, definitely, but we were... We also had a guy in the band who was really hard to get along with,

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And he dropped, you know, put it all to rest. He was the one who ended it. And that factored in. It was hard to keep things together. That factored in with, it is really difficult to just kind of, and I don't care. I'm not going to make a million dollars, and I already know that. But I was a little frustrated that maybe some of our shows were just too empty and that kind of thing. And I did. I was like, that's it. Forget it. The only reason I ended up in Catatonic Society was the bass player in that band kept saying, I really want to play with you again.

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And I kept kind of egging him out. I mean, not egging him out, I was just like shining him out. I was like, yeah, sure, that sounds great. And secretly, I was like, please just let it die, dude. And then he found these guys. Just put it out of its misery, huh? Yeah, really. But he found these guys, and then ironically, he's not even in the band anymore, but now I'm in the best band I've ever been in. But yeah, it's a little frustrating. It can be frustrating. But on the other hand, and I feel like this 90% of the time, this way that I'm about to describe, I really believe,

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I'm one of these guys that tends to take the world as I find it. You know what I mean? And that's cool. That's the way the record industry was when I was able to finally put up a record that I really believed in. But you know what? I'm talking to you guys today and that's cool. You're spending your Saturday morning talking to us, what, almost four hours, almost three hours now? Right. But I'm talking to you because you were kind enough to see the email I got. You listened to my record. You liked it. That makes me feel successful. You know what I mean?

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your level of success. And please, I want you to know, this is total disclosure here. George has heard enough music. If you would have sent something to George and it was shit, he would have blown it off, never acted like he ever heard it, and this just would have been a George and Buke episode. Yeah. I mean, I get promos from the labels as well as just stuff from random people from around the world. And yeah, I blow off 10 bands a day. Easily. Easily. Easily. So,

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That should tell you something

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that I sort of like

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hit the brakes, backed up and said, wait a minute, what's this?

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Very cool, man.

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That's really, I think when you

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as a musician, you want

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well, first and foremost, you just want to make music that you like.

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You're kind of like trying to recreate

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this thing that you had as a kid that you

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looked at and you're not like, I want to be that

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guy. I never thought I want to be famous. I was just

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like, I want to be part of something like that. You know what I mean?

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So that was what I worked

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so hard to do. And then you have these just little

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measures of success.

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The biggest thrill for me, if nothing ever happens with this band, the biggest thrill for me is every time we play, and I'm really proud to say this happens, every time we play, at least, usually a lot of people come up to me afterward, they're like, dude, that was fucking crazy, you know?

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But at least one person comes up, and I don't know why this keeps happening, and they go, we were just, because, you know, Oakland and stuff, these years that we play, we're in the downtown areas, and they'll say to me, we were just walking around tonight, we walked in here, and we had a lot of people.

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We had no idea we were about to see something so serious. You know what I mean? Such a real band. And that's like success to me. I'm always like, dude, you just made my night, man. You know what I mean? You look at me as a legitimate professional band. And that's awesome. When somebody buys that, we've got that illusion going. Hey, I feel the same way. Every time I get an email, like I got the email from Neil earlier today. That was great. That validates me and makes me go, hey, I'm doing something.

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And you're a performer. You're a performer and somebody else looks at you and recognizes that. And they don't just go like, oh, that's just Joe. You know what I mean? Or Bill. And he doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't know what he's talking about. No, man. You guys got an entertaining show. And that's success. You know, if that's what happens in the internet world today, I'll live with it. You know? Me too. I do think we'll do a little better. I do think we'll, I think when our second record comes out, that we'll have enough of a snowball going that I won't have to beg people to review it.

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you know kind of thing. And that's cool too. That's cool too. But I'll probably never get a check. You know, I mean, I think we're hoping to make enough money off this record to make the next record. That works. And we made this record for about $5,000. Wow. Yeah. Well, I don't want to keep the, where I started this question, the somber note going, George, I texted you yesterday and I did it again. Probably for the 12th or 13th time that we've been best friends. He is the harbinger of bad news.

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Yeah. What happened yesterday, George? Unfortunately, we lost AJ Paro, Anthony Jude, I believe it was. I always wondered what AJ stood for, and I found out too bad he had to die for me to find out. But the drummer from Twisted Sister for many years, and also recently of Adrenaline Mob, he passed away. And, you know, when you first told me the news, I was like, oh, that's a bummer.

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And then you said, wait, AJ or something?

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Yeah, I was like, huh?

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Well, but I mean, it was like, okay, well, he's the drummer for a band that isn't really around anymore. I mean, they play shows and stuff. But, you know, I didn't think it was going to hit me that hard. But as your best friend, you've always held Twisted Sister. Oh, I love Twisted Sister. Close to the chest, though. And yeah, I mean, Jay mentioned something about the article I wrote up about Stay Hungry. You know, that's like a defining album for me. And I didn't really think about it.

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You know, you told me about it, and I was working, and I was still working for another couple hours, and then I got in the car to go pick up my wife and go to the Eddie Trunk thing, and I popped on Stay Hungry in the car while I was driving. Next thing I know, I need the internal windshield wipers. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my God. Pushed you over the edge? Well, yeah, because I'm like, think about it. I don't know the guy personally, but I've been a Twisted Sister fan for over 30 years. Yeah.

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And being a fan of somebody and knowing of somebody for 30 years, that's practically family. You know, an extended family. In this middle world, yeah. And it was just like, man. Well, just to mirror that, I mean, A, I always feel that way when one of them goes. And it's weird because we're getting to the time where some of them are starting to go. Yeah. And I also just want to say, you know, an ad about Twisted Sister. Like, there was a few people that maybe didn't get it, but most

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Mostly, even the guys who were way into Maiden and the heavier bands, they knew that Twisted Sister was one of the real bands. They did have this kind of gimmick thing, but their records were heavy and they were really good songwriters. Everything up through Stay Hungry is insanely good. Everything. I'm a huge fan of theirs, just to say straight up. I was really sad when I heard that because Stay Hungry was like

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a summer at my house for sure. And yeah, and that guy had something to do with that. And it's just sad. I don't like the, I don't like, I'm not real fond of the fact that people die. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't like it either. And so, and that's just, it's sad. And Dio was the same way. And I'm sorry to do this ahead of time, but Lemmy doesn't have that much longer, man. We've been talking about that. I don't think George is ready for that.

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He doesn't look that great. And I love Motorhead so much. I'm one of those guys that I love Motorhead. And yeah, man, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. There you go. You know what? It's just another constant reminder, Jay, that life is precious and you just got to try and enjoy every day, you know? Tomorrow is never a guarantee, you know? Enjoy every sandwich. Enjoy every sandwich. I think that's a Warren Zeevon quote as a matter of fact.

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It is. I love, I'm a big one. You guys, you know what, Jay? I should just drop the headphones right here, give you second mic. You guys will make a badass podcast. Yeah, I love Warren. I feel like you're the color man. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I love me some Warren Zevon. I was pretty bummed when he passed. I like him too. I do like him too, which kind of gets into the general idea that I listen to a lot of non-metal. Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of some of the other, like Dio, that one had a big impact.

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We have another one here. We found out this past week that Wayne Static, the cause of his death from Static X, he died from... Xanax, oxycodone, and alcohol. Alcohol, that's a shame. And I was telling Puke, I was like, man, you know, two out of three is my like, it's my cocktail. Two out of three is George's Monday through Friday. I'm like, I'm not into the oxy, but I do like my Xanax.

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You know, legally, of course. Two out of three of those is George's flight to anywhere. Yeah, that was basically what I was saying, is anytime I fly, I have to take like three milligrams of Xanax and at least a couple of bottles, small bottles of Johnny Walker. George's sister got married in Norway, and it was a brutal trip on George. Oh, yeah. You know what? I'm not joking, man. I'm the same way, actually. I have, I'm 44, and I have kind of a neck issue these days, and it's working itself out, but I have to take

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this stuff called Flexeril.

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Yeah.

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And I take, I'm supposed to take three a day, purposely take two so I can have a couple beers at night.

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But it does every once in a while, like when I literally when Wayne Static died, I was like, that made me think.

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Yeah, maybe I should make it back to one.

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By the time I'm having a beer, you know me, I don't know.

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Well, honestly, it had to have been the Oxy because from personal experience, you know, you're only supposed to take like maybe up to a milligram a day.

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You're supposed to follow the dosage.

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You're not supposed to do what he did and crush it. Right. Well, that's again, that's the Oxy. Yeah. You know, I'm never touching that stuff anyway. But the Xanax, typical dosages is like 0.25 milligrams. But because of my extreme terror, my doc has me on one milligram. I thought you were talking about your weight. That too. And that was good. And so you can pretty much take all the Xanax.

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Xanax you want and probably drink alcohol and you're going to be, well, I don't want to get anybody killed here. Please. I've had up to three milligrams, which is a lot, because I'd take like one in the morning, one right before I get on a flight, and one more milligram after I get on the flight, and then chase that down with at least three of the little bottles of Johnny Walker. And that's my perfect flight state of mind right there. I can be like, chill. So it's like drinking a thoroughbred.

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You pretty much have to dope. It's like the old A-Team. I'm B.A. Baracus and they got to dope me up and throw me on a plane and get me in the way. You know, you're reminding me of a movie I'd like to recommend to both of you about the extremes of drug use. And it is Last Days Here. Have either of you seen that? Oh, that is so depressing. Oh, that is depressing. Hey, can I ask a question? How did he pull such a hot girl, though? Well, she's divorced him since, by the way. Okay, she has. Okay, I feel

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I'm a little bit better about myself.

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That actually happened.

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He actually lives not far from here.

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And like his parents and stuff are just down the road.

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His parents are like 20 minutes from here.

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I'd forgotten that it was in Baltimore or wherever it was.

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German town.

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Yeah, crazy man.

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Yeah, well, sad days, man.

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I mean, I definitely hate to see anybody go.

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And I hate to see somebody in the metal world go or the music world go.

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It's really tough.

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And it's a weird reflection on yourself.

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because whatever little part of your subconscious that occupies or, you know, it's like one of the little stars by which you navigate the world and it's gone now. And that's a little weird. You know, it's just, it's weird. You know, so. One last point of reference. For me, for sure. Yeah. And I've never even heard Adrenaline Mob, by the way. I only know him from Twisted Sister. It is Russell Allen from Symphony X. Yeah. Russell from Symphony X. God, what's his name? All the prog fans are going to hate me here for not.

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Noi from the stream theater. Well, yeah, AJ replaced Mike. But Mike used to make the first album. Right on. Yeah, I think I saw them on that metal show once or something. Yeah. But I never heard a note. I don't know if he was going to be on the new album. I don't know if he's actually, if AJ was on any releases or not. Right on. Yeah, maybe not. I don't. Because, well, hey, honestly, that was also, when I heard he died was also when I heard he was playing for them. Okay. Yes, although I didn't know they existed. I knew about that band.

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It's fairly recent news, but... Well, this next band, I will admit, I'm naive to this. New wave of British heavy metal legends Satan are entering the studio in September. Sorry. Have entered the studio for their September release. Yeah, we don't have an album title yet. You ever listen to these guys? I'll tell you a funny story. I went and saw them about two months ago in San Francisco. They played and they did stuff off court in the act and the live thing.

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They even did some Blitzkrieg stuff. Did you see them when they were on tour? I did not, unfortunately. It was great. That guy sounds great. Yeah. A bunch of old English dudes and they play great. And it was a great show. Yeah. Their comeback album from a few years ago was really pretty good. They're still there, man. They still got it, you know. We're going to be getting to this a little later, but at one point this would have been one of my Holy Grail albums was Court in the Act on vinyl, but I haven't now, so. So there it is. Yeah, it's a good record.

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There's a few out there like that. That you and like six other guys across the United States really. And that was one of those albums that now is talked about with a lot more respect. I mean, they drew a good crowd in San Francisco. And there were people with old Satan shirts on and stuff. It was a killer show. Awesome. Can I take this next one? You may. Amon Amarth. Nice. Drummer. Frederick Anderson.

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has left the band. Yeah. No reason given why, but he's out. Nope. And they're working on a new album, too. Oh, they're literally in the studio right now? Yeah, literally in the studio. That's a bummer. Okay. Well, it seems like an amicable parting. It does. But, I don't know. But you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do a new little radio segue here into another story, and this will all be drummer talk, that Dave Ellison seems to have shot

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a Rust in Peace reunion, says it won't work, and Chris Adler from Lamb of God and... This guy from, the guitar player from Angra. Yeah. One of the South American power metal bands. Are going to be the new members of Megadeth. That's the rumor. That's the rumor. Yeah. No, that's two different things there. Elefson said that he didn't specifically shoot down the reunion. He just said that it wouldn't really work. And, you know, he backed it up with some things. And I was just like, well,

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It would be really odd for them to do that then. And then I saw another item shortly after that saying that there's a rumor that Chris Adler from Lamb of God is going to be the new drummer. And this guy that I didn't put his name down because I couldn't pronounce it. But the guitar player from Angra was going to be the new guitar player. And I'm like, wow. Well, I can actually shed some light on that. Please. Yes. Do you have a scoop? Well, I have a scoop, but it's not a personal scoop. Nothing I dug up.

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But if you Google, and I'm not sure where I saw this, but it was on one of the Metal News websites, some savvy metal fan out there wisely snapped a photo two days ago of Chris Adler talking to Dave Mustaine in a coffee shop. So that one seems to be true. You know what? I saw that same thing, and it was actually a singer for one of those bands that we don't like. Oh, which one was that? I am trying to get it here. Okay? It was, they're at a taco shop. Oh, and it was the singer that snapped the photo?

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Yes, the singer snapped the picture. I'm trying to... What fucking Taco Bell is this? Like all these metal fans? I don't want to go to this Taco Bell. Oh, right here. I'm sorry. The former My Chemical Romance drummer, Bob Breyer, of all people, snapped the picture of Dave Mustaine and Chris Adler in a local taco shop having a conversation. That seems pretty conclusive to me, though. I feel like he's out there to talk about, at least playing on the record. Hard to say. If anything,

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He would be a studio drummer. Because, I mean, isn't Lamb of God working on an album now, too? So wouldn't that be kind of, he got to be one or the other? But may I just add my two cents? I think he's the best drummer in metal now, personally. I'd have to think about that, but he is awesome. How are you going to explain that to Gene Hoagland? You're right. You're right. You're right. Which, by the way, I am a big Lamb of God fan. I really like them a lot. I like all their records. I think they're a pretty great band. I think they're amazing. I think Chris Adler is amazing.

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Drummer. Amazing. Gene and him could battle to the death and I would follow both of them. And be sad that whichever one of them died. That's right. It's a shame I had to come to this. I'll tell you. I'm going to throw out one metal drummer that really stands out for me. I'm really sorry he's not with them anymore. Martin Lopez when he was in OPA. Brilliant. If my best friend, if George and his other friend Matt was here,

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He'd jump on you for that because Martin Lopez, I think, brought a cool little South American vibe. Yeah. Cool little sound that he brought to it. Yeah, I dug him. I dug him a lot. I think he just started another project. Yeah, I heard that. They're kind of sound like Tool a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, and then I, you know, I didn't really think about that. Jay, is Tool's album ever going to see the light of day? I believe it is. You know, I actually,

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Believe it or not, I actually have an inside track on them a little bit. Because I have friends who live in Arizona. Hold on, let's get Blabbermouth on the other line, please. Yeah, really, let's do it. Let's get some links, some hits on their album, please. Well, they, so a friend of mine, she goes to the winery all the time, Maynard's Winery. And she's actually quite good friends with his wife now. Whose? Maynard's?

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for the record.

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And they actually just finished with some legal trouble they were having.

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And that actually finally satisfied.

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It was taken care of.

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So in theory, they are all systems go now.

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But, you know, it takes forever.

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What's your favorite Tool album?

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I might surprise you, but it's Lateralist.

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It's mine too.

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I think that's a brilliant record.

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Now, I can make a good argument for Anima or Anima or whatever the fuck it is.

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That would be mine.

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For me, that one, I just connected with that on such a deep level.

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I just got the perfect circle their first album on vinyl I forgot how awesome of a project that was too yeah yeah that's a great record and I also I've never seen them live you ever seen tool live I saw tool on their first tour it wasn't even a tour it was Lollapalooza when when under toll came out because I have friends who've seen them and they're like yeah it's where Maynard's like off center like hanging out to the side actually I guess it probably wasn't their first tour they probably toured for opiate but

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It was the first tour that I knew about them. I don't think the significance of tour has really hit me. That might be the first tour. I've seen them multiple times. I've seen them lateralists a couple times, 10,000 days a couple times. Luckily, they do these California things every once in a while, so all of a sudden they'll just do two shows up here. So I've seen a lot of shows where they weren't even supporting the album. And I actually saw A Perfect Circle open for Nine Inch Nails before the record was even out.

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I saw that tour too. I wasn't going to admit to going to a Nine Inch Nails show, but yeah. I like them. I like them. I mean, he's not doing too much I'm interested in now. First two albums were good, but after that, I was like, me? We need to start a new crowdfunding, George. Get Maynard on the next Catatonic Society album. Oh, yeah, sure, man, definitely. I'd say I don't, I am cautious about that new record, I'll be honest with you, because Maynard is kind of a married man with a kid now,

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And I mean, they're different people. You know who I view Maynard as now? Like Marilyn Manson. No, in the sense that Marilyn Manson was cool for a while. Yeah. But his new stuff after an absence for a while. Yeah. It just sucks. It's weird. It just is weird. Now, I thought I still think Antichrist Superstar was like a seminal album. Oh, yeah. And I can't match that guy up with the guy now, you know, very well. You know, at the show last night,

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They were taught. Somebody asked about best and worst guests on the show, which is funny because the Metal Sucks interview, they were asking that. And Don Jameson said that Ted Nugent was his favorite person to guest on the show. And that put Godless's panties in a bunch. Well, last night he said that Lemmy was his favorite person on the show. But I have gotten way off track here. What I was going to say was that they talked about Manson when he was on that

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The Metal Show. Did you see that one? I did. I did, and I thought he was a terrible guest. He was drunk. Yeah, I was like, man, that guy is so fucked up. And they talked about that last night. They were like, yeah, Manson was pretty much the worst person. They were like, he was completely fucking blasted. And I was like, yeah, it was pretty obvious. Just like when we saw him live? Yeah, he was completely wasted. And he was mismatched with Biff Byford from Saxon, who I like. And I could see he just wanted to get away from him so fast, you know? Yeah. Yeah, he was a terrible guest.

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And the weird thing is, he used to be so well-spoken, too. That was the other thing. Yeah, he's a smart guy. Yeah. Was, anyway. Was, anyway, yeah. So another thing I noticed in the news the other day, it's funny because we keep talking about Dave Grohl, even though he's not really, he's not a metal guy, but he keeps coming up. And this time it's because he was, he's going to be featured in a documentary called All Things Must Pass, which is about Tower Records. Now, Buk and I used to go to Tower Records because they had a metal section. But I'm going to guess that,

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You, particularly being in San Francisco, like myself, probably have a lot more history with Tower Records. Well, I don't. I did shop at Tower, but my history is probably not much longer than yours because I only moved to California in 2002. So I didn't shop at a Tower until that time. I don't think I ran into one before that. Oh, okay. And then we initially lived in Palo Alto when we got here, which is where Stanford is. And I did, and I made a weekly trip to Tower at that time. And it was a pretty cool store.

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They had kind of like lame prices, but a pretty good selection. Yeah. I used to go to, we had one in Ann Arbor in Michigan, and I would go there like weekly, and I'd just pour through everything for like two hours, you know, just looking for things to pick up. And so I was pretty bummed. I mean, I moved here, and they were still around, and we went to one in Virginia. Monthly. Yeah, that I used to take Bute to.

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And it was just fun. And then, you know, they went out of business. And it was just kind of a bummer. I mean, the one time that I was in San Francisco, about eight or nine years ago, they were still around, I think. Because I'm pretty sure we stayed in a hotel that was like across the street from it. And I wanted to go in there, but I don't think I had time. I think they maybe died five years ago. But they also had, one of the things I loved about Tara was they had a listening area. Yep. And I made a lot of purchases.

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I was like no shit that sounds awesome you know and I'd buy it whatever it was so they actually got me into some stuff through that you know yeah it was like before you could go on the internet and look things up it was how you could check things out you know I think that's one of the reasons why I like vinyl so much because it's that Tower Records experience of just flipping through I remember a couple times going to Tower Records Nightmare being one of the bands you flip through and you end up landing on and you're like man look at this album art I've made so many great discoveries that way

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You just buy this because the Alomar.

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The Alomar's now the one.

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I had friends that used to say to me and still sometimes, where do you find this shit, man?

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And many of the time it was like that.

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I'd go to Tower and I would just sight unseen.

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I was like, well, Alex, why can't you kick ass?

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And thank God they had it on a listening station and I took it home and I was like so grateful, you know?

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Yeah.

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And yeah, Tower was a cool place.

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It was a shame.

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I mean, I and I also did hear about this documentary.

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I'll probably, you know, go out of my way to see it.

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I'm interested.

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Now, Jay, don't hate me for this.

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The only bad tire records purchase I had is I bought a Sun record and I promptly threw it out the window of my car as I was driving home. Because like I do, I go to record shops and I'm like, hey, what do you recommend? The guy's like, oh, dude, this Sun record, it's awesome. Check it out. This was like probably 2004 or 2005. And I promptly put it on like 30 seconds into hearing it, I threw it out the window and drove home. Only time I've ever done that.

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I tell you what there's at least three bands maybe five bands I like that I would never recommend to anyone and that is one of them are you serious yeah absolutely disclaimer I would never be like yeah dude go spend your money on Sun and then without a description that guy had to have been an idiot or a jokester because yes you know what I mean I was and mind you at the time I was probably into metal now for five six years maybe not into the real obscure stuff

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I heard it I'm sure we'll maybe talk about it later I was like what the hell is this no I think that was the right I threw it out the window never listened to them again but I constantly on reddit and online see people singing their praises and I've never understood it yeah okay George where where I'm gonna I'm gonna take like the next four items and just combine them together because they're all like upcoming releases yeah good so Danzig has resumed work on a new album for late 2015 early

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2016.

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Okay.

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Not sure what I'm going to think of that.

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I haven't really been a fan of the band since Danzig 4.

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Danzig 4 was like the last really good album, I thought.

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Last one was actually okay.

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Did you hear Red Dead Semi Out or whatever it's called?

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It's actually okay.

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Yeah.

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I needed to listen to it more, but I did give it a sort of a cursory listen and go,

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this is more like it should be.

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That's probably the right assumption.

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And it's a little underproduced, but yeah, I think you'd hit the nail in the head.

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So hopefully, you know, I'd love to see a reunion of like John Christ. When John Christ left the band, and it was named Chuck Biscuits, but I think it was more of a John Christ thing, the sound just changed so much. I mean, he went into this whole electronic industrial thing with Danzig 5, and as far as I'm concerned, he just never really recovered from that. But to be honest, like 6 and 7, I didn't give them all that much of a listen, and even the last one, Red Dead Redemption or whatever it was.

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Okay, video game joke and no love. Come on. No. You got it. I got it. That was the first one since probably the third one. And I was like, okay. But I mean, I guess I have to admit to you, I probably spun it three times. Yeah. Max. So we'll see. I mean, I thought there was a Misfits rumor going around for a while or some weird thing. Maybe I'm making that up. That would be cool. I thought there was a reunion tour thing in the works or something. Huh. I can't ever see Glenn and Jerry.

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Gary ever getting along again but that would be really awesome unless you're thinking about the the shows that Glenn did I said it was like with Doyle and they just they like did some it wasn't a misfits show but they played misfits songs I think it was that you're probably right okay maybe I did hear there was gonna be a Sam Hain reunion or some weird fucking thing I don't know but yeah man I you know Glenn I don't know he's maybe his it's all used up we'll see there's a new Powerwolf album coming out called blessed and possessed that's gonna be out in

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July on Napal Records. You got me stumped there. I don't know them. They're a power metal band. It's a little better than typical power metal. I mean, it's not as cheesy as power metal. It's kind of gothic. He doesn't have the like, wah, wah, wah, kind of voice. I like that. Look at you. Sign you up for an album, George. He's got a good, powerful voice, but he's got a little more of an edge on it. I love those guys. Watch out, Jay. George is coming for your fucking lead singer role. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah,

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It just shattered a couple glasses over here. Made somebody cry probably. I'll put them on my list. I'll check it out. Jay's list at this point is probably 50 fucking things long. Hey, I'd love to have a list like that. But I have your lists on the website too. They're there for my memory. The ones for your end lists. Excellent. I haven't had to jot down too much. I know Buke is excited for this next one. The new Between the Buried in Me album is coming out in July called Coma

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Yes, I love these guys now. They're quickly becoming one of my top favorite bands now. I found them after Colors came out, and they hooked me more and more and more because I love my metal bands, especially the harsher stuff, a little more technical. And these guys are the definition of technical metal. So I'm really excited for this. I don't know them, but I'll go get some samples.

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I think they're up to five or six now. Okay. If you check out the Parallax, that album is a great jumping in point. Parallax. Think of Opeth, just way more technical. Gotcha. Between the Buried and Me. I always love to learn something new. And that's a name I've heard enough to know that there are other people out there who dig them too. And another news story here, we had our last news story before we get to new releases, is Venomous

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Maximus Maximus Maximus is releasing their new album Firewalker in May. Forgive me, George. I don't know who they are. Yeah. Have you heard of these guys, Jay? No, I love that. I love that. I'm nowhere in the loop on any of the new releases. Yeah, no. Who are they? They're a band from Houston. And they sent me something to listen to like a couple albums ago. And so I've kept up with them. They're really kind of, it's kind of doomy, but kind of southern.

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I don't know. It's actually been a little while since I've listened to them, but I know hands down that I love these guys. I just haven't listened to them recently. And so once like a promo or something shows up for that, I'm definitely jumping all over that one. That's only next May, so should be hearing something about that soon. Awesome. There's something new. Yeah. Why don't we get into some new releases? First up, we've got the new album from Moonspell called Extinct. Anybody listen to these guys? I saw them open for

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may well have been opeth it was yep and it was and there was another band uh that des de far's band

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whatever the fuck that's called um devil driver what's the name of him devil driver devil driver it was like opeth devil driver and moonspell and moonspell was like way out of place you know what i mean but i thought they were brilliant they had this like skull on a stick i mean did you you guys yeah okay and i and i got into them man i went and checked out their stuff i dig it um i you know i don't i probably don't have every moonspell release

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I'll buy this when it comes out and see what it's like. Yeah, I like their earlier albums. In fact, I just picked up their second album, Irreligious, on vinyl the other day. Ind and above, man. I love that fucking song. And, you know, they had some, like, you know, slumpy middle era albums. But, yeah, they're starting to get better again. So I've got the promo for that. I haven't really listened to it much, so I need to get into that some more. There's another band. I found these guys on Bandcamp.

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They're called Frosthelm. And their full-length debut called The Endless Winter. I can't remember the name of it, but I did pick up their first EP on Bandcamp. And it's kind of a sort of like melodic death metal, you know, fantasy themed kind of thing. And it's good stuff. It's good listening. You could probably like it. This next one I know nobody's heard of. This is another one I found on Bandcamp. They're called Glosson. And their EP Yearwalker. This was some pretty,

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The Monumentally Heavy Sludge Metal, but I think they're from Sweden, or at least that region of the world. And I don't normally pick up too many EPs, but this one I was like, it's pretty badass. So I picked it up. I bought it on Bandcamp and you should check it out. Okay, cool. Next up, Jambuke, you want to get this one? Sorcerer. That's right. In the Shadow of the Inverted Cross. You like these guys? Yes, I've listened to these guys all week.

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I was listening to this earlier today

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and I was trying to place the singer

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and he kind of reminded me

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of Jeff Scott Soto

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from the early Yngwie albums

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I am a Viking

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Can I just say

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I am a Viking? That is like one of the great

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fucking metal songs of all time

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Fuck Jay

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You're the man. I fucking love that song

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It's a good song

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So he sounds like Jeff Scott

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Yeah, kind of. But it's kind of a doom metal thing, but with like Jeff Scatsoto singing. Yes, doom with Jeff singing. Cool little sound. And this next album also that we have on the list, I was excited with this. I hadn't heard of these guys and apparently released an album a couple years ago that you had known of. This is Barren Earth and their third album, On Lonely Towers. And I know before the promo came out, you were all, hey, if we get the promo, pass it along. If we get the promo, pass it along.

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Yeah, you're like, they have a new album coming out? Well, their first two albums I loved. Yeah. But I got to say, I'm not a fan of this one, really. I think I sent you a text message. I was like, if Devin Townsend did a Doom album. It's kind of a Death Doom that also has some clean vocals. It's proggy, too. Is it a vocal that reminds you of Devin Townsend in particular? Yeah, to me it did. See, the thing is, and I was listening to it this morning, and I was like, this doesn't sound like

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I remember, and I got to trust myself on this one. I looked it up. New singer. Really? Yeah. The first two albums had the singer from Swallow the Sun. Yeah, they were kind of like an all-star group. Which is a fucking badass band from Finland. And that's why it was much more death-doomy. And this one was a little more, a lot more clean vocals, and the production didn't sound quite as good. And it just, it didn't grab me like the first two albums did. Right on. The last new release, also known as,

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Possibly my album for 2015. Oh my god, here it is. Here it is. Dodd Heimsgaard and a Umbra Omega. Holy shit. I just got this on vinyl. This was the, I mentioned something. If it's really your first choice, I'm going to interrupt, but I'm iTunes in it right now. It's actually not, the whole release schedule is bizarre. It's technically not out until March 31st. Oh, okay.

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Though my vinyl showed up yesterday. Was it an import? Yeah, it comes from, I think, Great Britain. So it was probably released early there. But Amazon has it coming out next Tuesday. So I really, I mean, that's why, and that's why it's on the list is, I think it got bumped up a week. But iTunes has it listed not until the 31st. But you, so you, but you, you have in your hand the vinyl copy and you've heard the whole record. Yep. And in fact, this is the one that gave me a copy of the vinyl.

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the download code.

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It's nice to hear things you don't hear every day

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I've heard so many

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run-of-the-mill death metal bands

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and so many run-of-the-mill black metal bands

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and this album

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it was a new cozy warm blanket for me

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The music

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when it's not doing weird

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trombones

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and saxophones

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and weird things like that

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I use trombone for you

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I can't remember

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It was some sort of, it was like a saxophone or a trombone or something. I don't remember at this point. But, you know, they throw in weird things like that. And the vocals, they're not buried, and they're not always completely harsh. But sometimes they're a little weird. And then they'll kick into this just like old school black metal, like fast picking, you know, just that. But it's like really crisp and clean and beautiful. And you just don't hear that a lot. You know, when you hear that now, it tends to be overly real.

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It sounds like shit and muddy. Right on. And I don't know. It's just... I like your enthusiasm, man. I mean, you're selling me on it. You know, anything that kind of comes along... Well, hey, I like that. I like that this has the originality aspect of it for you. But I also already respect your opinion. So seriously, if there's something that's vying for your heavy listening time, I'll pick it up without question. I wish I could get a hold of it now. But it sounds like it'll be out there soon. Yeah. I mean, it should be by, you know, a couple

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days from now. Supposedly the 24th. At least you can get it from Amazon then. Maybe iTunes will get with the program. This is their, I believe, fifth album. I think that's right. And they've always been kind of strange. Their first album, Fenris from Dark Throne, played bass on it. Oh, shit. And then their second album, I can't pronounce their first album, it's in Norwegian. The second album is called Monumental Possession. I bought that on CD96, somewhere around there. Cool. That was more of a traditional black metal album.

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And then they had something called Satanic Art, which I never heard. And then there's 666 International, which they completely changed what they were doing. And it was like black metal meets electronica. All right. And that was not really into the electronica thing anymore, like I was maybe in the late 90s. But it's still a pretty phenomenal album, just the originality of what they do with the electronic and the black metal. Cool. And then, so where are we on now? And it's that the last one before this one? Or is there more?

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There's one more. It's called Supervillain Outcast that came out in, I'm going to say 2007. That's a good title. And yeah, all the Norwegian bands, they have this like three, you know, Supervillain Outcast, Puritanical, misanthropic euphoria called Armageddon. I have to tell you, I have the very proud fact to tell you that I was in Bergen when Enslaves Vertebrae came out and I bought it there. So I bought that album.

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I mean, I was just on vacation, but yeah. I love the Norwegian bands, man. Those guys are all crazy. Oh, yeah. In the best kind of way. I think that's a good sales pitch. All right. Jay, if it excites George, like Jay, I always say this, like looking in from you and him talking, you guys know music more than me. If it excites you or if it excites George, myself and other listeners really need to check it out.

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Because you guys know what the hell you're talking about. Until I say something like, oh, hey, Trypticon's the number one album of the year. And then you and Chuck and Godless are all like, this guy's fucking crazy. Oh, really? You guys didn't know? You were all not even. I put it off for months and months and months. It didn't make my number one, but it made my top ten. And Toombs. That's right. I remember you talking about it. Toombs, I gave George shit on that. I didn't give him shit on Toombs. But I didn't see what he was talking about with Toombs and their salvage gold. But salvage gold is an amazing

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It is an amazing record. It is. It should have been my top three from last year. Yeah, I think I remember you maybe cop into that on the episode. Yeah, I did. Hey, Jay, I just got, look at this. Dude, this is, we need to make George, Jay, a permanent member, George. I'm getting YouTube links as we're fucking doing the pod. This is awesome. Nice. I didn't want you to miss while I was, I forget was the Lucifer's friend. I just got it, Jay. This is that band you said to blow our mind. That record is so good.

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All right. So that's my could possibly be the number one album of the year. There's another album. Hold on. Stop right there, big fella. Last year you said Trypticon was your number one. Right. At this time. Right. No, that was because I was certain that nothing could top it. Okay. Dodd-Heim's Guard has massive amounts of respect. But something could topple it? I just don't know if it's the right fit for number one. Okay. You know, I'm going to wait and see. I'm saying it could possibly be. Now, there's

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another album that I'm going to talk about when we get to what we're listening to. Okay. That is also vying for contention. Because Trypticon, you said album of the year, right here. Yeah, I'm not as firm with that. This is my possible suggestion. You sound like my wife. You're wavering. You can't make a decision. Well, there are nine months left in the year. Okay. You're like a girl right now. You know how they can never agree on something? They always waver and go back and forth. Okay, next topic. I know you're not going to fucking

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Put yourself on that sword. No, I honestly, I think this could be, but I don't know yet. George's wife is upstairs, so he's not going to suicide himself on saying that statement. No. But I will. And certainly she won't listen to all four hours. Oh, no, she doesn't listen to it at all. This is awesome. I'm having a blast. Me too. Oh, good day. It's a good day for me. All right. Well, we're starting to get in the home stretch here. Next up is our top three. Yes.

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I go to Buke around Wednesday or Thursday each week and I'm like, hey, what should we do for a top three this week? But this week in emailing back and forth with Jay, I was inspired to say, let's do our top three Holy Grail vinyl albums that you don't have and that you want. Awesome. So do you want to let our guests, should I go first? Like I normally do, you want our guests to go first? I'm easy either way. Go first, Jay, you're our guest. Go ahead. All right. Well, this wasn't too hard for me.

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I did have to kind of sit and really think and I've actually

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mentioned two of the records already probably because they're on my mind so I I um all right

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I'm gonna start with number three this one's for you Buke it's sung white it's they have an album

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called the white album which I just think and I and I totally see where you're coming from with them I do I swear it but there's something about I to me there's there's this whole other thing that happens with them to me there's they're just sort of an atmosphere thing I mean it is admittedly not

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and out and out band-like performance. I mean, if you go in expecting that, that's not what you get. You know what I mean? Have you ever seen them live? I have. I'll get to that. Wow. Okay, go ahead. That factors into another one of my choices here. But I honestly think they're brilliant, and I have all their records. As weird as that sounds, because I'll tell you right now, they all sound the same. And I think it's the live performance that really got me into their camp. And I went to see them, and I'm not going to tell you who I saw them with yet.

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I saw it at Fillmore in San Francisco and about 30 minutes before they came out they just started pumping smoke into the place by the time they came out it was so full of smoke it was ridiculous and they all come out in monk's robes and just did what they do which is just this big wow thing and I thought this is the distilled essence this is what heavy metal is if you melted it down and all of the dross kind of went away and you were just trying to come up with like the you know primordial ooze psychic thing you know that

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And that's what it is for me. And, you know, they're not wildly entertaining in that way. But sometimes I'll listen to some when I go to sleep sometimes, you know. So there you go. I love that. And I love that record. It's got to really kick ass over kickback. And Jay, I bet those 30 minutes leading up to them taking a stage, you're like, this is fucking amazing. Honestly, I was, dude. I once read an interview with one of them and he said, people didn't really get it until we put the robes on. And I read another and he said in the interview, too, he said, I've had people come up to me after the shows and say,

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that we fix their sinuses. So there you go. Number two, my number two choice, which I've also mentioned today, but I don't have it on a vinyl. I've been looking for it. It's a record I love from my youth. And I know it's been repressed a couple of times, but I can't find it. And it's Possessed Seven Churches. I have that. George has it. I've got the vinyl. Nice package. I mean, does it have the proper insert and everything? Do you know? Is it back on black? Is that at least like that? Yeah, it's one of those. Okay.

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So I'm waiting for that to come around again. But my absolute number one is Celtic Frost Monotheist. I don't have that on vinyl. I love that record so much. You didn't go Cold Lake? No, I know Monotheist. Yeah, that's a big punchline in the metal world, isn't it? It is. Yeah, I didn't want to say it either, but I do have Monotheist on vinyl as well. Wow, look at you. You two again.

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Or is it the two discs? Yeah, and you mentioned in your email how much that you were willing to pay, and I did go over that. Did you? I did. There's another one on eBay right now, and it's already over that. Yeah, it wasn't too much over that, but it was a little over that. It's definitely probably top five more expensive albums in my collection. It's just a record I love so much. Oh, and I would mention to you that that was who I saw Son opening for.

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It was them and that band 1349. I think they're Norwegian. Just a kind of grindcore death thing or black thing. And that reunion album and that show were brilliant. I was blown away by both. I'm jealous. I jumped at the vinyl. Yeah, I have never had an opportunity to see Celtic Frost, or at least not aware that I had. And they're honestly one of my favorite bands these

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So I'm like super excited to have tickets to see Trypticon at the Maryland Death Fest here in May. Very cool. So I can't wait for that. Very cool, man. I'd say, I mean, I, Trypticon is, I like a lot too, just as much. I mean, it's, it's, it's not even that much difference. The one, the one kind of thing that stood out about that tour though, was they, well, A, they came out dressed as like basically like an old school, like priest frocks and they had like black around their eyes. And Martin Nain was out of his mind, dude.

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It was so good.

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Yeah.

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I just ordered last night the book that he did, this photo essay he did about Hellhammer.

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I wanted to get that.

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Dude, it's cheap now.

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I had seen the bookstore.

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It was like $100.

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And I was like, oh, shit, I should buy that.

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But I couldn't make myself do it.

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You can get it on Amazon for $20 now.

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Oh, I'm totally getting that.

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Yeah, and it's like a big-ass hardcover, really nice book.

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Yeah, last time I looked, it was like out of print.

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No, they must have printed up the new ones.

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And it's still referred to as the same book, a formidable hardcover.

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I think it was just a limited run that maybe had, who knows,

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what was special about it but yeah i just ordered it because you are it was our emails that made me think of it

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okay so therein lies my three though i did want to um also throw in a honorable mention

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because it's one that's never been on on vinyl and i already mentioned i need to replace my master of

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puppets but i this has never been on vinyl and it's um kind of an ob vaguely obscure choice from a very

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familiar band and it's um in this box that there's a maiden box set that came out a while back and it was

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There's a lot of outtakes and stuff. And I bought the box set. I actually no longer have it because I just kind of like put all those stuff on my MP3. And in that box set was a double live album called Beast Over Hammersmith. Okay. And it was recorded like four days before Number of the Beast came out. And it is so much better than Live After Death. I just want to. I have a bootleg of that MP3. It's pretty awesome. Blasphemer. It's a wonderful. Yeah, sorry about that. I know a lot of people feel that way. But it is such an amazing, crisp, clean, wonderful,

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I don't want to hear that now I feel like I've heard the name but I don't I may even have it I but I'm not sure I can check like maybe six or eight songs from number of the beast and then stuff from killers and stuff but just the and also the first album but it's just a spotless recording man it's a wonderful show so that's it all right Buke what do you got I like my list I'm paying that now good good for you

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This topic is awesome. You know, I'm a big fan of power metal. Probably my favorite power metal, American metal, true metal album. Iced Earth, Dark Saga. Okay, yeah. I know you want that one. Yeah, I want that one bad. Just probably let alone for the Spawn album cover art on it. Yeah. And I like that record. I like that record. Yeah, I absolutely love that record. My number two is actually a bootleg. Chris downtown has this.

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And at the Rock and Roll Graveyard, this is the bootleg for Black Sabbath's California Jam 1974 concert. It's just an, I love, you know, I've said it numerous times, I love live recordings. This is Black Sabbath, I like their peak, playing a full set in 74. It's limited to 100 copies on glow-in-the-dark white vinyl. So why didn't you buy the copy he had? He wouldn't sell it to me. Oh, he was just playing it? Yeah. Bastard. Oh, too bad.

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I love them when it's just them at the height of the game. They go Tomorrow's Dream, Sweet Leaf, Killing Yourself to Live, War Pig, Snow Blind. The set list is great. You can tell they're having fun. Excellent choice. Number one, I don't think I'm ever going to fucking pull this. I bet I know what it is. It's so expensive. My favorite singer on the side project. This is down, Nola. Yep, that's what I thought.

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I see it online for like 150, 160, 175. The rare times it pops up. The rare thing about this on Discogs, George, is it only pops up on American sellers for the most part that I've seen. That's unusual. Yeah. I don't think you'd be, I don't think, I think you can expect a repressing of that at some point. I would hope. Yeah, you would think. You would probably hope. My honorable mention, just because I see this one pop up in the price, has come down a slight bit.

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is Gwar Scum Dogs. Oh, yeah. It's on vinyl. The last time it alerted me on Discogs, it was available for like 80 euros. Sorry, like 50 euros. So it's come down a little bit. But it'd be cool to own just for the... I'd love to have that. Yeah, that'd be cool. Jay, you a Gwar fan? You know, I'm not a Gwar fan, but I've never really listened to them. And I knew a lot about Dave Brockie, and I liked him.

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Not because I found it silly or anything like that. I just never did it. But I would see these things on YouTube and stuff, and I realized that they were so tongue-in-cheek. They were so not only in on the joke, but really intelligent guys. I don't have a good excuse for not ever having tested them, especially since I loved it when he was on CNN for a while. Well, now you have a good excuse to check it out. Now, Jake, this guy has over 1,000 vinyl. So his three right here, you know that he would probably

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for blood, you know, for these. I might give digits. He may cut off a couple of toes for this. Actually, it's not too bad because I, as I said before, I'm pretty good at hunting things down. But my number three is the first Trypticon album, Esparistera Dimones. How would the hell you say that? That was horrible. I don't know how to say it, but you don't see that one on vinyl too often.

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And if you do, it's like 150 euro. Okay. I don't know. Wow. Yeah, I'm surprised. I must have had a very limited rolling. Yeah, I can't explain that. I mean, you can get the latest one, you know, 20 bucks just about anywhere. But first one, can't find it. Okay. All right. That's a good choice. My number two is probably the hardest of the three, but I wanted only second as much, is the Voivod album, The Outer Limits. Oh, that's a good choice, too. That's the only one. I don't count the ones where

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wasn't in the band, but it's the only Voivote I don't have on vinyl. Cool. Whenever I see it, it's like always like $250. Where's that fall in there? It's after Angel Rack. Okay. And yeah, it's not like their best album or anything, which is why I won't commit to like paying $250 for it. But there is some good stuff on there. And it just, it came with like 3D glasses. That's cool. And I love stuff like that. You know, I just haven't,

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found it where it's under like $200 that I could reasonably expect to pay that. My number one, it exists in vinyl form, but only as a picture disc. And so I have not, and even the picture disc, I refuse to pay that much for. Yes, I know what it is. I know what it is. Okay, Jay, what is it? No, well, you gotta say, well, I guess, yeah, that's what it is. I was gonna say Sentenced Crimson. That's what it is. Yes. Oh, I wasn't gonna say that. Yep. Sentenced Crimson.

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It's their only album that

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Hold on, what were you going to say, Jay?

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Well, I could be wrong about this

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being the only version that's out

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but I've only ever seen Lateralist on a picture disc

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It is, yes, you are right about that

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And I would prefer to not have the non-picture disc version

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I'm going to look this up, but I'm pretty sure I have that

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Oh yeah, he has to go back and check his

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My list, discogs here

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But what was your

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These were Sentenced Crimson

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Yeah, it only

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All the other albums I've gotten on regular vinyl with a sleeve and everything. It's like $80, $90 for just a picture disc in a clear sleeve. Sentenced is one of my favorite bands. It's right here on my wishlist on Discogs 2. I just don't want to go for that. I've got Lateralist on regular vinyl.

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I had a lot, you know, where I'm like, but it's there, but you know, you'll be disappointed. Don't, you know, this is one of those things where it's like really hard to control. To let you know how high it is, Jay, on Discogs right now, 450 euros for that sentence it's selling for. Wow. Yeah. No, I wanted to mention something to you guys too, just because, and I forgot to do this, but you mentioned, did I like picture discs? Yeah. And there's some new things happening that I'm kind of excited about. And I don't know if you guys maybe have, you have more vinyl,

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than I do if you've seen one yet. But in particular, it was actually on that metal show and they talked about the vinyl re-release of Rush's 2112 album. And on it, in the middle, there's like these holograms. Have you seen these things? I have not. Well, technically, yes, but I haven't actually seen it in action. The Jack White album that came out this past year, he did all sorts of crazy shit on there. And that's the only reason I bought it, because I'm not a real big Jack White fan. Same for me, I bought it too. But he has like a hologram on there that

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When it plays, you can see things. Weird stuff, like if you play it backwards. Backwards at different speeds. Where the label is, that's a track by itself. Yeah, you can play the label. I would like to see more like that. Yeah, that would be cool. I guess the 2112 has these pentagrams and the kind of bare space at the end of the album, as it were, the center of the album. And they spin in the opposite direction of the album,

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whenever the album spins.

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And I might have even seen a demonstration of it.

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I'm a medium Rush fan.

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I may buy that vinyl just to have that.

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But I would like to see more little things like that happen.

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Yeah, that would just add even more value to something that's already got more value than the average release.

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Right on.

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Well, that's a good list.

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I think we all...

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I think so.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Do you have any of the ones on my list?

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Do you own the ones on my list, Buke?

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I don't.

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Okay.

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No.

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Just like you know how out of the loop I am.

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I'll get my hands on that monothil.

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Believe me.

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Jay, as cool a guy as you are, if they were on your list, I would give them to you. Believe me.

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I would help you out, brother.

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Well, I'll give you all kinds of Catonic Society merchandise.

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If you ever make baby onesies, I have a cute baby.

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We can dress her up in your...

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We'll do a onesie for you.

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We got this guy who does our shirts and he can do anything.

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I'm a 3X just in case you need to know that. I mean, you guys are going to get some stuff in the middle. I'll have to write to you. And when I ask you for your address, that means you know it's coming soon. Yeah, you know. Okay. All right. So this is the point in the show where I usually ask Buke what he's listening to in terms of like new releases and stuff. But I'm going to go with Jay first. Very cool. Well, I'm going to mention a band that I don't. And I wonder, you guys, are you both

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Cannibal Corpse fans. Yes. And if our friend Will was here, he'd be like, ooh, ooh, ooh, me, me, me, I am, I am. Yeah, he's the uber Cannibal Corpse fan. I remember, well, he put that very high on his list, which, by the way, that last album was quite good, and it had longer songs on it, and that kind of thing. Now, I'm actually not going to mention them, because a band I've been really into lately that really might be not your cups of tea is Pig Destroyer. I'm, like, totally into these guys. Local boys, though. Yeah, yeah, I kind of like them.

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I dig their stuff, they got cool riffs. I just got them. Did you like their

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Doom album, their EP? I haven't purchased it yet, but it's basically like one side them and the other side is like Sun, right? I mean, it's that kind of thing. Yeah. Which just goes to show you, I'm not necessarily always racing out to find that stuff, so I haven't heard that yet. I did listen to the samples on iTunes. Okay. I'm into them right now, but I'm into them. I have gotten to them

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the last year, but I only just now bought their first seminal record. It's called Prawler in the Yard, so I've been listening to that. I've been listening. It took me a while. I don't know if you guys are Clutch fans, but I got... Another local band? I got Earth Rocker just recently. I got that on vinyl. What a great album that is. It's great. There's a song in there called The Face. That song is so good. And it's a good record in general, so that's in high. It's been with me a lot right now. I'm not going to lie to you. I listen to our record a lot. What's wrong with that?

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And your name, what your record is? Catatonic Society, Baptista. There you go. That's still pretty fresh for me, so I put that on pretty often. And then it's randomized. I tend to, for the last two years, if I don't have something else picked out that I'm freaking out about, and I've always got something, that I tend to put in one of three bands these days, and it's Mastodon, High and Fire, or non-metal. I listen to Dead Can Dance a lot. So right now, some variety of everything,

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I just mentioned as well be listening to until my next obsession takes off right on cool Buke what you got Jay I think I found something here I found something on band camp George hasn't found and I like it oh you think that you think that but I'm sure you may have their older albums but this came out yesterday okay this is a black and thrash band in the vein of skeleton witch okay it's a local Richmond band by the name of battle master they released a new album yesterday called battle hungry and sword sworn

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I've had that for months. I'm just kidding. I've never heard of it. I was really hoping, you know what would be even better if he said, this was released two minutes ago and George could be like, I am so tired of that record. George's like, oh. That's so yesterday. But yes. That's all my good stuff. Yeah, it's a black and fresh skeleton, which it's like, take subject matter that like three inches of blood would sing about, George, like D&D fantasy stuff.

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Do you have the album cover? Yeah. I feel like I have heard of them, but I haven't heard this. Yeah, but they're a local Richmond band. Maybe you've seen their other albums. I think I've just heard the name before. Yeah, but you know what you're getting with. It's a skeleton witch type of sound. I saw a quote on Reddit. I thought it was funny. A guy said, oh, cool. A new Battlemaster album. I've listened to Battlemaster more than I have skin cells. I thought that was kind of funny.

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So check them out. If you like black and thrash, that's my recommendation. That's what I'm listening to this week. Alrighty. And George will say, Buke, it sucks. I will not. The name alone is just cool. And of course, may I say again, Catatonic Society. I've been listening to that. Jay, you'll be proud to know I woke up early this morning on a couple hours of sleep. I started feeding my nine-month-old her oatmeal cereal. My wife, I put your music on.

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on my iPhone again, my wife goes, you know, it's nine o'clock. You're not really going to listen to that this early. How do you listen to that? I go, babe, be quiet, please. It's never too early for metal. I love you for it, man. Exactly. It does my heart good to know you're listening. Exactly. I do. George. All right. So the album I'm listening to this week, it's not the album, but my featured album this week is my, it was actually going to be my possible number one until I heard the Dothheims guard.

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And so this is sort of like a race here by the end of the year. Who could possibly win? Right now, they're in second place. This is the new album from Minsk called The Crash and The Draw. This isn't actually out yet. Okay. I've got the promo for it. I think it's out in another week. Actually, no, I think it's like end of April. The Minsk-like as in? M-I-N-S-K. Yeah, like the Russian city, wherever it is.

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Maybe it's like one of the satellite countries now. Eastern European anyway. Yeah. But they're actually like a U.S. band. Oh, okay. All right. And it's like Death Doom. And it's pretty damn good. They haven't put out an album for like seven, eight years. I kind of was wondering if they were ever going to do anything again. And I said I just got the promo about a week or two ago. And wow. This is good. It's pretty good.

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I think Dodd Heimsgaard probably inches out ahead of it, but still highly recommend it. Hey, you know what? While you've just mentioned this, there was a record after listening to some of your recent podcasts, and I know you guys are, or George, it sounds like you're kind of in a doom phase right now, or maybe. The last couple of years. We're in more of a classic phase now. There was a band that had a record ago, maybe 10, it's at least been 10 years since it came out, and it is one of my favorite

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favorite Doom albums of all time. You may not have an, if not, I'll get it in your hands. It's called, by a band called War Horse. Oh, yeah. Do you know War Horse? I do. I've got one of their albums. Like As the Heavens Burn or something like that is the name of it? Yeah, I'd have to go back and look. It's kind of like a black and whitish cover. It might be a different one. Oh, no, no, there's two War Horses. That's the wrong War Horse, I think. Okay. I'll somehow get you a sample of this. It's going to blow your mind, man. Yeah, they just reissued one of them, or maybe even both of them.

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I remember seeing something about that and going, hey, I've got that. I need to go back and listen to that again. Well, I'm going to, I was just one I wanted to recommend to you, but I will make a mental note to kind of send you the deets just in case you can be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not it. You know, or something. Yeah, totally do that. I'd appreciate that. Right on. All right. I got yours jotted down so I remember them too. Yeah, his list may be pretty huge right now. It's like, Buke told me check out Saga the comic. His head must be about to explode right now. It's like Christmas for you.

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It's just like, yeah, cool. Yeah, no, it's all good stuff. I like having people tell me. I am usually the guy who's telling other people what to do. Can I go first on the classic? Sure. Yeah, I want to go first. We're going to do our classic pick right now. I'm going to make you guys feel old here because guest of the Metal Hedge podcast, Brian Slagle produced this album. That is now 30 years old, gentlemen. This is Slayer Hell Awaits. That's a good choice.

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March 1985

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Wow.

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30 years.

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30 years guys.

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That's a long time ago.

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Yep.

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Hell awaits.

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Kill again.

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At dawn they sleep.

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Oh yeah.

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You don't have to familiarize me with it.

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I know you guys both know it.

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It was an important record for me.

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I was a Slayer fanatic at the time.

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And I remember it well.

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Necrophiliac was like my first immediate favorite song.

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Kill again is the killer song in there.

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I love that record.

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So there you go guys.

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You guys are both young at heart still. But 30 albums, two years younger than me. Wow. I started freaking out when albums that I liked hit 20. Now a lot of them are hitting 30, and it's just like, damn. But guys, looking in, I didn't grow up with Slayer like you guys did. It seemed like Hella Waits doesn't get as much praise as their next three albums do. Hella Waits. Why is that? Well, I... It's called Rain and Blood.

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There are a few others. Every once in a while I'll see a comment online, but you are talking to one of the few people in the world whose interest in Slayers began to decline after Hell Awaits. Really? Absolutely, and I'll tell you exactly why. Because when Rick Rubin got them, I didn't like the fact that the first thing they kind of focused on was shortening the songs and they took all the EQ off of Tom's voice. I loved the way Tom's voice. They were like this kick-ass metal band and turned into this raw buzzsaw thing. And I get the brilliance of Rain and

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I really do and I bought it and I loved it. But I would honestly tell you. Jay, do we need to keep this our secret between the three of us? No, it's a pretty common thing. We may well. But yeah, but I love Hallowaits. I mean, when it came out, that was like my album that summer, man. Whatever year it came out, I was insane. Well, there you go. 30 years ago, 1985. God, that's crazy. All right. Jay, you got a classic for us? You go first. Okay. My classic is from 1986 and it's actually

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a soundtrack for a movie. The movie was called Trick or Treat, and the band is called Fastway. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Fastway's awesome. I don't know this at all. Didn't I get you to pick up the vinyl? No, no. I didn't? Nope. Ah, such a good album. I'm not a huge Fastway fan. It's a band that Fast Eddie Clark from Motorhead put together when he left Motorhead. And to be honest, most of the regular Fastway releases never really grabbed me. But in 1986, when I was

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I went to the movies with a buddy of mine to see the movie Trick or Treat because it was a heavy metal movie. You didn't see too many heavy metal movies. And, you know, I had Skippy, Mark Price from, Skippy from, was that Family Ties? Yep. And, but, you know, there were cameos by Gene Simmons and Ozzy Osbourne. And I was like, I got to see this movie. And we went and saw it. And the music from the movie was done by Fastway. And as far as I'm concerned, it was the best damn thing they ever did. And,

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I still I was I was just cranking this in the car the other day and just loving the hell out of it well I have a stump the trunk for you then thank you yes here we go bring it the answer is flogging molly you should drop that microphone just walk away someone I'm gonna start a slow clap do you know so fast way that's fast Eddie Clark

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Do you know where Way comes from? Pete Way. There you go. All right. That wasn't so hard. You are. You're better than any trunk. Was that where you were? When that first record came out, actually, I liked that first record. Just the self-titled album. It's kind of Zeppelin-esque in a weird sort of way. And with, well, anyway, I dug that record, believe it or not. But that was it for me. I had the first one on the list, Swim Again. So were you going to ask me about Dave King? No. No. Okay. So I didn't get that. Damn it. Was it about the, you thought I was going to really stump,

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Stump the Trunk or something like that? Well, I thought the question was going to be, the singer for Fastway was Dave King. Oh, right now. And what completely different band does he front now? And that's Flogging Molly, this Irish punk rock thing. Oh, really? That was why you said Flogging Molly? I thought that was just your comedic answer to everything. That's awesome, man. I was trying to preempt and get the answer before you asked the question.

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No, you just outboxed me bad. You have scary answers to the question. I didn't even know the fucking question. It blew my mind. I just found that out a couple years ago. I was like, wait a minute. Dave King. That's not the same Dave King, is it? And I looked it up and I was like, wow. Talk about reinventing yourself. And he's on the first Fastway or he was on later Fastways? He's on the Trick or Treat. I don't know if he was on all of them. I thought maybe there was a different singer on the first.

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The first one actually is some dude who's a little high-pitched and he's like, I want to say he went on to be in something else. And I could not tell. Oh, it's by the way, a band we played with last night who didn't end up playing. Long story, his name was Thaddeus Gonzalez and this guy was the lead singer in George Lynch's band for a while, he told me. Oh, yeah? Yeah. You know, whatever. But I mean, I, okay, I got a classic for you and really I didn't have to think that hard about it. And this is a little too easy. Actually, I'm going to do two.

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And I've been doing two on a lot of different things, but these are two things I picked up on vinyl this week. Both of them, I believe, was a repressing and a remaster. The second one, I don't know. But the first one, this is the one I know was a remaster, came out the same day as our album. And I say to you with pride that the remaster of Physical Graffiti came out when our record came out the same day. Nice. And I picked that up on vinyl, the remaster. So Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti would be one of my classic choices this week.

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That's my favorite Zeppelin album. And it's beautiful. The reissue is just gorgeous, man. It's like being back in 1970, whatever, and picking that up and nobody's touched it yet. Wow. I just recently got one of the original pressings that has the, you take it out and it slides. It's all there, dude. What's your guys' favorite song off of it? Me? I like the Rover. Thank you. That's me, too. That's a fucking great choice, dude. It's my favorite, too. But I have another weird one for you that I would choose.

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And I love this song. It might be kind of a one that some people don't, but it's Night Flight. Cool. Okay. A great fucking song, but the Rover is killer, man. It's a great record. But the other one, my other classic was another vinyl, but it was shrink-wrapped, and so that makes me think it was a reissue that came out recently. And it's a record I'm kind of obsessed with right now. I should have mentioned about listening, what we're listening to, and it's symbolic by death. I just got that. And I just love that record so much. Crystal Mountain? Yeah.

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It's got to be my definitive death album. Yes. Such a good record from start to finish. So yeah, love that. Classic for the week. Right on. Well, we're just about it. We're just about at the end here. We're just a little bit over four hours now. I love it. It'll probably edit down to a little bit less than that. But, you know, with the songs and everything, I'm sure it'll be top in four hours. So we'll be getting pretty close to the year end episode. So very nice. All right.

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All right, well, before we get to the last bit of the day, we got to do our little typical outro piece. People can check us out on Facebook. We're on Twitter. I'm at Disciple OV Metal. And I'm at Opeth Fan. Where you can get a hold of either of us at Metalheads Pod. Jay, are you on Twitter? We are. It's Catatonic Society. Easy to find. If you Google Catatonic Society, you're going to find us all over the place. We got big web presence. We're on Facebook, Reverb Nation, whatever, whatever. Worst case scenario,

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So Google Catatonic Society with the name of whatever page you're wondering if we have one and we probably do and you'll find it. All right. We do most of our business on Facebook. That is to say make announcements and whatnot. Right on. All right. You can also find us on Stitcher and YouTube and Instagram. And we also have a website at MetalheadsPodcast.com. Very cool. All right. So before we go, we're going to play you another song from Catatonic Society, Baptiste Tina. This is the song called Mandrake.

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Do you have anything to tell us about this one before we play it? It was a single when we released it. Somebody just reviewed the album online, gave us a kick-ass review, and he compared this song to Leviathan Remission Era Mastodon, which made me feel good about myself. Right on. That's about it. And this one is also available as a single. But in any case, albums out there on all kinds of digital outlets. Excellent. You know, like we've been saying the whole episode, we can't urge you enough to check these guys out.

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to the songs on the podcast here and that doesn't convince you i don't know what the

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fuck your problem is it doesn't get any better than no it doesn't it doesn't get any better than

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four hours with the freaking guy yeah so we want to thank you so much for being with us here today

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and uh i'm sure we'll probably have to be having you on in the future you just let us know and we'll get you on

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my sincere pleasure and i i'm just going to tell you right now we will do this again i would love

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awesome all right you have anything you want to tell anybody before we go anything he last uh

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of information or anything? No, keep an eye out. Our record is going to be coming out on vinyl. Stuff available through Facebook. Some shows coming up in the Bay Area and more shows coming up in the Bay Area after that. Not a lot. When I come and see you guys again, I'll update people with what's going on. Right on. Well, Jamie, I just say, I hope one day your band takes you here to the East Coast and our ways meet and we can meet you, brother. Hey, right back at you. Or even if I just come out for any reason. That would be an honor, buddy. You know, Death Fest's in May.

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Just saying. All right. Thanks so much for being on the show. This is Catatonic Society and Mandrake. We'll see you next time.

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"Look at each other, moves across this land."

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Wispy rumors

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This is for my head

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I'm

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WALL!

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You tell my sister, don't stay through my spine You're worth a poison, getting in a bit of wine You move in darkness, I still see your face I missed you out, now I know your name

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The endgame

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See that you think you walk away

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From being on the wall

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Wall

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I'm all around again

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I'm choosing, I'm getting there

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I'm good for those who think you've conquered me

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I am the tide

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I'm not going to die.