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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dome. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the metalheads podcast.

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My name is George and I'm Buke. I don't mean to interrupt guys, but this is Jay. Hey, it's Jay. What are you doing here, man? Actually, I've been sitting in front of my computer since the last time we talked. This channel went dead. I don't know what happened. That's right, everybody. Jay's back. Jay's back. We had such a fun time with him last time. We had to invite him back again. Yeah, we've been pretty much talking nonstop since the last podcast. Absolutely.

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Anyway, welcome back. Thanks for having me. Everything you said is true. We've been talking since the last time and just before the podcast that we were all talking. It's just nice to have metal friends, man, and you guys have become fast friends. You got that right. A very true statement, buddy. Yeah, it's so easy to just quickly fall into something. I was watching that metal show this morning. Was it that metal show? I also watched a Dave Mustaine rock icons thing.

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I think it was on that metal show because they were talking to Max Cavalera and a wrestler guy, Jericho, Chris Jericho, and Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins. And they were talking about how easy it is to just meet somebody else that likes metal and be like, five minutes later, you're like fast friends. It's just like, that's metal, man. That's what I try and explain to people because at work, out of a couple hundred people I work with, myself and another guy, only metalheads.

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I know they're hands down.

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More than we used to be, man.

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Yeah.

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And when I go to metal shows, we can sit there and have a friend for a day.

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Jay, to let you know how awesome metal fans are, if you haven't gone back and listened to some of our back episodes, George and I met this guy at the barbecue in August.

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He had taken a Greyhound bus from Arizona to Richmond.

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This kid, we got talking to him outside. Him and his friend. Yeah, him and his friend. Took a Greyhound bus from Arizona to the barbecue. And that's punishing, by the way. I couldn't even imagine. Yeah, it was like 60 hours or, I don't know, something ridiculous. Yeah, but we talked to him for the next day and a half. Yeah. Just instant connections there. And that's, you know, I took my mom to a Bon Jovi show years back. Nobody there is talking outside their little group. Nobody's talking about music. Yeah.

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No, it's the same. You know what it is, too? I think part of it is like you have this nice, fast reference. Like if I say number of the beast to you, it's not just that that was something you know about. That was something that you sat there and you freaked out about. And we both freaked out about it. And so we kind of have this connection right away, you know? Yeah, it's like a shared experience that we didn't necessarily have to experience together. Exactly. That's the perfect way to put it. Yeah. A couple of guys I want to give a shout out to that we've been talking to lately. They just tweeted us.

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Again. Another couple of good guys we've been talking to. Colton Fiend from Thy Demons Be Scribblin'. These guys are social media masters. Yes, they are. These guys are all there all the time reaching out to people. Yeah, that's awesome. So, you know, they've been giving us a lot of love and we really appreciate it. So thanks, guys. And here's us trying to give it right back. And may I please say, give them a shout out. If you're on Twitter and you want to give them a follow, they're at DemonScrib.

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Scribblers. Again, at Demon Scribblers. Awesome group of guys. Metalheads. If you're into horror, if you're into the horror movies, books, check them out. And speaking of that, Jay, you had an experience with a horror movie event last night, right? I did. And it was a pretty damn cool metal experience. I want to kind of do, I have to do two things before I start. One is to say thanks to those guys at Demon Scribblers because they also reviewed our record. How awesome was that?

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And that was like literary that was literal genius metal review. Yeah, it was like Shakespeare himself. It was like a little triangle jerk. It was like we like these guys and these guys like these guys and these guys like these guys. Hey, it's you. I have one other order of business, which is that you guys the last time I was on. I we talked we talked about the band.

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this and that and I don't want to spend my time talking about Catatonic Society. No, please. I did not say the name of our drummer and bass player and I felt so bad when I got off. Shout him out. Yeah, absolutely. Ken Onesco, our drummer, he's the best drummer in the world. I say that whenever I introduce him. And Sergei Truchel, he's from Ukraine, our bass player. And they're both just, you know, great friends, great bandmates. And there you go. Now their names are on the air. So did they give you any shit for not mentioning them?

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A little bit. Actually, I kind of apologized before they said anything. And then Kenny was like, I did kind of notice that, man. You know what I mean? But they were both easygoing, super sweet dudes. Right on. They're planning a mutiny now. So last night I was at Kirk Hammett's Festival. What is it called? Festival. Kirk Von Hammett's Festival. So it's like he has, you know, he collects all this horror stuff, you know, from the old,

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Universal films and all that kind of stuff.

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And I love those movies, by the way.

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And I actually have his book because it's just,

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and I didn't even buy it because it was Kirk Hammond.

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It's just this really cool photo essay of all these collectibles and stuff.

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So anyway, we had really, we were really going to see High on Fire.

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It was me and our driver, Ken and his wife.

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And, but since we're going to see High on Fire,

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they also have the room where the collectibles are and all that kind of thing.

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And it was really cool because he's got like,

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I mean, have you guys like seen those old Universal movies?

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Oh yeah, I love them.

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I'm a big horror fan too. Like Frankenstein's actual

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like outfit from the movie, you know.

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Was that, that was the

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Oh, Boris Karloff.

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Boris Karloff, sorry.

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Yeah.

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Thank you, yes.

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And he's got like his clothes, you know.

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Maybe five bucks or something.

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Yeah.

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So that was cool, but the more important part of the evening really was High on Fire for me.

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They were amazing.

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They played two new songs.

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God, they're the heaviest band on the planet, man.

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Was he wearing a shirt? No. I don't think he owns a shirt, man. The first time I saw them, again, we talked last week about how I didn't like them the first time I'd seen them. I wasn't into that genre yet of metal. I remember this guy coming out, scraggly dude, but he's ripped. I was like, what is the deal with this guy? Usually that means crystal meth. Yeah. I started thinking, is he on something or something? Probably.

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He's cleaned himself up lately and as frequently happens with guys who heavy drinkers who quit drinking he gained a lot of weight yeah yeah but he looked by he I mean he's healthy and everything but they were awesome man on orchid was great too orchid open I love orchid yeah and I picked up green vinyl limited edition green vinyl orchid madness one the mouse madness I think it's called yep that's it nice and I got a I got high and fire surrounded by thieves

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which was the only one I didn't have on vinyl and that's cool too. But the highlight of the night after High and Fire was there was an all-star jam to end the night. And that featured John Five, Corey Taylor from Slipknot, Kirk Hammett of course, and then halfway through this, all the guys on High and Fire, they were like the kind of root band for this. And then halfway through the thing, Charlie Benante came out and took over for High and Fire's drummer. Nice. But now, deep best. So here's the synchronicity I'd kind of alluded to before.

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we started talking here on the pod. Yeah. Which was, okay, so here's the set list they did. They did Emerald by Thin Lizzy, which is great. Love that song. They did Supernaught by Sabbath. And then they did a piece of Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. Then they did Iron Fist by Motorhead. And then Charlie Benanti came out and they did He's a Woman, She's a Man, the Scorpion Sting. Swords and Tequila by Riot. Here's the synchronicity. They did In League with Satan. Nice. Oh, man.

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Evil in league with Satan. Matt Pike sang that one. Corey Taylor sang all the rest. And then they closed up with Rapid Fire by a Priest. Nice. It was awesome, man. It was great. So that was my night. I'm so jealous. How many people you say were there? Small room? Big room? Well, it's funny to ask because briefly, it's a new venue in San Jose that used to be like a casino. Like a card house is probably a better way to put it.

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So it's not like massive, but they did a great job at this place and it's called the rock bar and like Saxon's coming in a couple of weeks. And so it's in any case, it was amazing. And I don't know, probably fits a couple thousand, but in the real proper area where you watch the band, you probably can't fit more than 700 or something. That's pretty sweet. Yeah, I was right by the soundboard and I, you know, could see the pimples in everybody's faces. So. Ah, man, the Bay Area. I've only been there once, but of all the places that I've been,

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in the country that's the place i'd want to go back you know i mean the music out there even if they're you know even if the old like big four bands and stuff well they're not the big all but anyway you know even if metallica and and testament and those you know aren't like around and everything it's just such a cool area and you lament to me all the time the lack of skinny jean stores around here you know this is the place this is the place it's where all the hipsters live yeah they're actually

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to be fair, there is a pretty good chance whenever you see somebody, if you see like when I saw Anthrax here, like Kirk Hammett came out on stage and they did a song. So you do kind of see those guys, you know, the Testament and guys to show up and stuff. So it is cool. You know, it's the memory of the scene, but yeah, you get to run into some cool things. It's definitely true. You mentioned that all-star lineup last night. We talked about him last week about who's, we brought up a new story. I forget who mentioned it, George, but we don't have any front men or anyone.

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and flying the flag of metal now. Yeah. You know who's, it just came to me, you know who's that waving that flag high and proud and doing a pretty badass fucking job is Corey Taylor. Yeah. Take him out of Slipknot. Right. The guy's amazing. No, he is. He knew all those songs, you know, and I mean, there's some pretty obscure songs in that set list. Yeah, he's, his voice is amazing. He's, you know, recognized by a lot of people for his work in Slipknot and Stone Sour. He is metal, you know, he was on the D.O. tribute. Yeah.

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What is he doing that one? He did... Rainbow in the Dark? Yeah, he did Rainbow in the Dark. Nice pull. Yes, he did. Which shows you I still haven't had the time to go get there. But hey, man, it was bitchin'. So that's my little plug for that. It was a lot of fun, and I had a great time with our drummer and his wife, and they actually had bought me a ticket for my birthday, which was super cool. That was in March, and they bought the tickets a while ago. So yeah, super fun, and you guys would have loved it. Was Kirk there?

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Oh, when the pieces were being shown, was he there talking about any of them? It's a day-long thing, and we didn't actually go for the day. We really didn't go until evening, you know. But he does. Yeah, he's there for all kinds of stuff. He's just kind of floating around. And then he's also, they have signings throughout the day, like the guy who plays the clown in the Rob Zombie movies, Otis T. Have you seen those movies? Yeah. I thought he just died. No, the clown, not the cop. Oh, okay.

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I think the clown died too, did he? I don't know, somebody just died a couple days ago. I think it was the cop somebody told me. Okay. Our drummer actually was telling me that last night. You know, so there's like little signing sessions and people show up and he floats around and he'll come out and announce people. Yeah, he's just there though, you know what I mean? It's really not, there's a lot of Metallica shirts, you know what I mean? It's like, it is sort of this horror festival, but really everybody's going there and have a chance to kind of shake hands with him, I think. Yeah, definitely. I know I would. To see the bands or whatever. So yeah, it was

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Kirk has always been the quiet type I can't really you know get a read on him I know you

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know he does some interviews and some but I can never get a read on him as to what really makes him tick say

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something really unflattering but I think he's and then this does one of these words doesn't really fit but

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I think he's kind of the dumb blonde in the band man like really the dumb curly blonde huh I think I look at Kirk as like the

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He's the peacekeeper. He's the I don't have strong opinions like James and Lars. I try to keep the peace. You know, it's like in some kind of monster. He was just kind of like rolling his eyes and like, you know, come on guys. Come on. I think he's the one I literally I don't mean to speak for him, but I think he's the one that goes dude. We're all fucking rich. We're having a great life. Like I do you really got to fight over the fucking front door? You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that voice of reason the voice of reason. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. But I, but I, he, um, my dumb blonde comment is he just always seems to trip over his words and stuff last night when he was doing that. They did a, uh, cost because people came dressed up and he'd like judged the cost of the costume contest and stuff. And he's not much of a public speaker. Yeah. Well, he doesn't really need to be. I mean, he's not the singer or anything. So absolutely. And which by the way, I was kind of reminded that he's a pretty damn good guitar player. Cause they traded off like a bunch of long solos during the Sabbath thing. And he was great. You know, right on. It was cool, man. It was a good guitar player.

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Night of Metal and Fawn and I do like horror movies so that part was cool and yeah definitely and I was George is kindly not mentioning that I was like sending him videos and pictures all night long so no I thought about mentioning it but I just didn't didn't see an in for it yeah so that's the that's what I have to say about that right on well thanks for talking about it yes sir going back for a moment to talk about the guys from Thy Demons Be Scribblin when we first started talking to them they both had you

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One of the guys goes by the name Cult, and the other guy goes by the name Fiend. And I'm like, man, you know, when we started this podcast, we really should have come up with, you know, nicknames, metal nicknames for ourselves instead of just George and Buke. And so I asked these guys, I don't know if they did, but to come up with a metal nickname for the show. Not that we'll maybe use them, but just, you know, for fun. Right. So I don't know if anybody did. Buke said he was still trying to come up with one. I'm bad, Dick. You know, when to come up with creative stuff like this.

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Do you have anything, Jay? Anything metal? And I tried. God, how I tried. I mean, I'd like to hear what you came up with if you did come up with something. Because everything I kept coming up with stuff was, like, really lame. Like, the Ripper. You know what I mean? Everything I kept coming up with, I've used it in fucking video games for the past 20 years. So, this is Opeth fan. Exactly. Yeah, I'm fucking Opeth fan on Twitter. Come on. You know what? You know what? And the thing is, going forward also, that's a really stupid fucking Twitter name to have. Because you know why? I really

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"Here's Opeth Fan" interviewing whoever. What an idiot I am.

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Maybe you can come up with a new one.

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You've just sort of inspired me though, because now I think what I want to do is my metal name will be like a metal name, but it'll be like a Hotmail metal name like everybody else has that name already, so I have to add three non-reliquilous numbers after it. So I'll be like Ripper 642 or something like that.

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Or like XXX.

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Yeah.

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See, it was easy for me because I've got a name that I've been using for a long time. It started off as part of my AOL name, and my middle name is Gideon. Oh, dude, that's a good middle name. It is a good middle name. It's funny, I was looking at it online, and it's actually a Hebrew name, which I am not Hebrew, but it means destroyer or mighty warrior, but that's not why I picked it. I didn't know that. Because that's not George. That's not me at all.

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When I picked it, I actually was, back when I was reading comic books, there was a character named Gideon in one of the X titles. It was like X-Force or something like that. And there was this badass dude called Gideon. And I was like, I like that Gideon. Also, to make you feel more badass, Gideon, there's a, my wife reads all those smutty books. There's a book series, I think it's like the Crossfire series. And the main character in that book is Gideon Cross.

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Only because I know there's a phrase, and I honestly don't know, but I think there's a phrase, something about Gideon's trumpet. So he might be the guy who blows the trumpet. That's Gabriel. That's Gabriel, right? Oh, Gabriel. Okay, my bad. Damn those people. Well, Gideon, that's a good one, dude. Yeah, my middle name is Adam. All right. It comes before yours in the Bible. I'm Old Testament, bitch. That's right. Well, actually, they both are. They both are. It was a good assignment, but it was a hard one. Yeah.

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You took it when you named yourself on Twitter Disciple. Disciplets? Oh, that's a good one here. That should have been mine since that's where I started, right? Yes. No, but I was thinking about that driving over here because you, Jay, you are the guys who I'm looking up to. You are the guys who've been in this for decades. You guys are the ones who I'm jealous.

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I was born too late.

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Saint Vitus.

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Exactly.

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But that was a good call.

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But you guys have experienced this a lot longer than I have.

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So I'm your guy's disciple in that.

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Okay, I've got his nickname, Jay.

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You ready?

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Lay it on me.

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New kid.

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Oh, yeah.

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As in Newstead.

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New kid or new kid on the block.

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No, no, wait, wait, I've got it. What was his name? The guy in the winger shirt from Beavis and Butthead. Oh, that guy. Their friend, do they always razzle on? Yeah, that's you. I came up with one for myself, and it's just too evil to even be true. Screwtape. Did you guys ever read the Screwtape letters? No. It's a fucked up book, man.

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by C.S. Lewis, and it's about this demon who writes... No, it's about a demon who's writing letters to another demon who's supposed to be capturing some guy's soul, and it's like... It's just a series of letters. They're called the Screwtape Letters. It's really good. Yeah, that's going to be an awesome metal name. That would be a fucking awesome metal name. All right. And he signs them all Screwtape. That's his last name. Screwtape. Screwtape, right? Or, sounds like what my wife and I do later. Okay, then.

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But you gotta love the simplicity of cult and fiend. That is pretty cool. That's just like, they always sign off like fiend or cult. Yeah, it's cool. That's awesome. Speaking of cult, I would also throw out one of the great metal names is nocturnal cult. That's such a yes. Dark throne. Yes, that's a good name. Yeah, he's awesome, too. I feel like we kind of let you down, George. That's all right. It was just for fun. It's not it's kind of too late to start using him. You can't just switch over and be like, I'm Gideon.

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I think we have this works though, Gideon. What's that new kid? Well, it would be even better though if we all forgot each other's names and then you could just be like, Gideon, I got a question for you, and then just air after that. Oh, you mean me. We look at our friends in the Metal Sucks podcast. You have Chuck and Godless. Exactly, exactly. Oh, yeah, definitely. You know, I got to be honest with you. I was wondering who you were referring to when you said Godless. Now I know. Yep.

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Yeah, I mean, that's the ultimate right there. Godless. Jealous. Or Chuck, for that matter. Yeah, even Chuck. That's up there, man. Am I pronouncing this right? Chuck, right? But it's with a V in the middle. That's true cult. Is it really? No, no. Oh, dude, well, you just totally improved that for the U.S.T. to tell him. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. There you go, Chuck. You're welcome. Done. You could tell George's aim.

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profile in a day was massive his name profile oh yes yeah yeah you would get like go on aim and set like cool like typos and uh way messages and stuff right now right maybe that's the thing about my generation but like when my kids my age back in the day like setting your aim profile or your away message you put a lot of thought into that that shit yeah yeah your away message wow i'm busy roasting christian souls

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I'll be back when I need more. All right. Well, it's funny to think there's technology like that. That is like been outmoded. You know what I mean? Like we're now as a part. That's how old we're getting. Yes. But there's internet stuff that doesn't really matter anymore. It doesn't really matter anymore. Ever. It will never matter again. Like this podcast here. We're on our last legs. Actually, this is pretty much our year episode here. It's 25.

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I was hoping to hit 26 so we could say we did one every other week, but the timing of it just isn't working out. But this is going to release a couple days before we recorded our first episode. Blame the baby. Yeah. And he means me. But yeah, wow. Pretty much we've been doing this for almost a year now. That's pretty crazy. Time flies. Yeah. Like really, the older you get, time flies. Oh, I know. Congratulations to you guys. Thank you. That's awesome to stick with something that long. It's hard to keep things together. It is.

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Especially when this is just a hobby. Yeah, you're not getting a big check or anything. No, we don't get anything. It's all doing it for fun. Even if, you know, Jay, you were the only one who tuned in. A couple of loyal listeners. Our friend Will. If we get a couple of listens, that's all that matters. And I would, by the way. I would still tune in. I mean, this is different now. But now he's part of it. He's part of the machine now. Welcome to the machine. Oh, sorry. Wrong genre.

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All right, so I don't know about you guys, but whenever I'm doing stuff for the podcast or for Metal Disciple, I find myself on the Metal Archives website a lot. There's just this huge extensive list of bands and their discographies and the people in the bands and all the tracks and everything. And I was on the site the other day, and I was totally annoyed because they implemented this CAPTCHA thing.

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With CAPTCHA is the things that you put on websites. To rule out bots. To rule out bots where you have to put in the text. And it's all kind of jumbled and like spot the A's and the D. Yes. But it was really awesome and also awful because they used heavy metal band logos. And you know how hard those are to decipher. And it took me like 20 minutes to be able to get into the damn site because I couldn't read the logos. Some of them I recognized. I was like, oh, that's immortal. Okay. But it took me a while to get into the site.

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because I had to keep refreshing it until two band names came up that I could read. I was really annoyed. I was like, man, this sucks. Well, that's crazy. Was it like black metal ones? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's insane. And I was like, oh my God, this resource is ruined for me. I'm not going to do this every freaking day. Well, I come back the next day and it's gone. And I'm like, huh, I guess they got a lot of crap about it. And then I realized it was April 1st. You didn't catch that? I didn't catch it when they were doing it. I was like, ah, good one.

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Good one. So kudos to the metal archive for a good April Fool. Yeah, it was awesome. That's a great joke. You ever check out that site, Jay? Do you have any of yourself uploaded to there? You are on there. Oh, yeah, that's right. We are there. I think. Do you have to be a member to get yourself on there to load it up or do you ask somebody to put it on? I don't know. Well, I mean, people can put bands up there. Yep. I was trying to, at one point, I would try and put my reviews on there just to get more exposure. But the,

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The process was such a pain in the ass I gave it up.

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Well, I think our bass player did it.

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Yeah, and for instance, nobody's reviewed it yet.

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So just in looking at the site, and I have looked at it in the past, because it is kind of a nice...

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Simple site, yeah.

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I was there before Wikipedia for looking at anything.

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Oh, yeah.

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Exactly.

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That's kind of what I was trying to come up with.

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It's a little more thorough, you know, and you have a question about something.

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But I don't know how they gather the reviews or anything.

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I mean, George, did you, you were going to become a member and put your review up? Or how does that work? Do you know? Yeah. I mean, you can just sign up. And I think to be a reviewer, you have to like send them a review and they'll like, you know, read it and be like, okay, this is good. You know, you're allowed to post reviews. And even when you do put up a review, they still review it before they put it up. And I think I got pissy because like they sent one back saying, not me. They sent one back and they were like,

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No, we're not posting this. And George is a one-or-nothing type of guy. You know? Well, one of the reasons I haven't been writing reviews lately is I'm a very stream-of-consciousness writer. Okay? I put on an album, and I just start writing. And I don't do the typical formulaic template-type music reviews. I put it on, and I just sort of put my impressions out there. And they didn't think I was focused enough.

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or something like that. And I was like, fuck you. So I was like, I'm not putting any, I'm not taking the time to put these out here. Give me back my basketball. Exactly. I'm taking my toys and going home. Well, it's, I do go there. I did a school site and everything. And that's, by the way, just to really kind of add my own stamp of approval. That's an awesome April Fool's joke. Yes, it is. Like, seriously, that's super funny. Because I would have been frustrated too. They might never have seen me again. Exactly. So thank God they turned it off. Yeah.

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It was tough. Yeah, some of these, I don't understand when you go, and I know, you know, some death metal bands try and be heavier than the next, but I don't understand the indecipherable logo. I don't get it. It's just metal. It's just like, fuck you. I think you're right. I think there was kind of an arms race there. I think it's backing off a little now, I think, but it's there for a while to literally try to be more incomprehensible than the next, you know, like, yeah, really.

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My favorite internet meme, I don't know if you've seen from Futurama, Fry, you know, with the squinty eyes. He goes, not sure if that's a heavy metal logo or a bunch of trees. I've seen that. I'm going to send it to you now, Jay. You have to look at this. I love those Fry memes, by the way. I run into those frequently, not sure if. Have you guys seen that Metal Show episode with Jason Becker on there? I personally, you know me being a worrier,

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I personally can't I know his story yeah I can't because I am scared to death of catching this I know you can't catch it no you can only you can only catch the gay you can't catch ALS but this is scary to be trapped in your own body like this he lives just a few miles from me oh I couldn't even imagine well geez would you go by and say hi for us yeah I will I will well we digressed I'm from you

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Yes. Did you see that one, Jay? I did, yeah. They modemed him in. Yeah. And I was like, that's so cool that he's still around and still doing stuff. Did they plug him in like Tron? Kind of. It makes me think it would be funny if Stephen Hawking robbed a bank, by the way, because he'd be like, don't be a hero. Sorry. So I remember Jason Becker back in the day when he was playing with Marty Friedman in Cacophony, and he played with David Lee Roth for a little while.

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He was one of the guitar shredder heroes from back in the 80s. Yeah. And then I heard that he got ALS and I was like, oh, that's first of all, that sucks. That's terrible. But I was like, man, so he'll be like gone anytime now. Because, you know, like Lou Gehrig, man, it's like Lou Gehrig caught that disease with his name on it and boom, he was gone. And I was like, oh, that sucks. And I for years and years, I've been I've just been like, this is one of the things that in the back of my mind, I'm just waiting to hear the news. Jason Becker passed away. Yeah.

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And it never came. And I was like, that's great. And when they, that's the first I've seen of him in a long time, I was like, oh, okay. And I was curious about this because I saw that Stephen Hawking movie, The Theory of Everything. Yeah, I saw it recently too. And I was like, why is it that Stephen Hawking didn't die? He's been around for decades and decades with ALS, whereas Lou Gehrig, boom, gone. Yeah. And apparently there's like different variations of the disease. Yeah. And if you have a particular type, while you're,

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You're obviously incapacitated and you're on a ventilator and such, but you can still survive. And so it's like top and bottom for last book, which was a really inappropriate way to say it. But as I understand it, there's because I actually had I worked with a woman who just died recently of ALS and and you if one of them will shut down your like breathing systems and one of them just seems to focus. It doesn't really hit your automatic functions as much. Okay. I mean, you may know better than I but it seems to me and they seems to me that's not even it seems to me. I think I read about it, but

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And one of those is sort of more focused on the upper body

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and one more on the lower body somehow.

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Okay.

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And if you get the upper body one, that's when, you know, your time is extremely limited.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, okay, well, obviously Jason Becker and Stephen Hawking have something in common.

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And, you know, you see Jason Becker as he was on that metal show.

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And it's so very Hawking-like.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it was just interesting to me.

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And Hawking uses the, I believe he uses eye movement as well. And he has obviously the voice that everybody knows that he can type out ahead of time and then play. Whereas on that metal show, Jason Becker was using eye movement. Was that his mom? And how Jean, by the way, wasn't that, I was really impressed by that for two reasons. It was so clear to me that she really knew what he was trying to say because she would, he would give her like three letters and she knew the word. Then she'd be like, oh, okay, it's that word. And sometimes it wasn't like a word.

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you it wasn't the most obvious thing he was spelling you know what I mean right I thought that and also

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there's a documentary about him and his and his yes I haven't seen it I it's on my amazon want list and

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I've been meaning to pick it up and watch it yeah it's supposed to be really good I think it was even

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I feel like I read about it more than just on metal sites let's put it that way okay yeah I haven't seen I mean I

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I haven't seen it though. Right. Yeah, I mean, I think it's very impressive and inspiring that despite all this, he still is able to continue making music in some fashion. And that's just, I'd like to hear it, you know? Obviously, it's not going to be a guitar, but... It sounds like there's a real all-star thing coming out. I mean, that's one of the things they talked about. Right. And, yeah, and I know he's got other records out, and I think it's usually, heck, his old friends, usually they're people with names, you know, but, and they do,

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I think it's a lot of the guys because he came out of like that Guitar Institute place GIT or whatever they called it in Los Angeles that's where those guys all met each other there was like I think it's called GIT yeah yeah Guitar Institute of Technology yeah which by the way I once heard that not even heard I heard him say it was Brian Johnson went out to Los Angeles to go to that and I think he went for a year to Brian Johnson from Tell Him Steve Dave okay yeah you know I wanted to go out there too when I was in high school

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They're like, where do you want to go to school? I'm like, G-I-T. It's funny too, because I'm sure it's just like in some strip mall somewhere or something. Yeah. I was never good enough to even apply to that place. I'm not either, and that's the truth. Even though I'm still playing guitar, I literally stop at shred. That's right where I'm out of my wheelhouse. I can't go there. Yeah, I'm more of a rhythm player. Any kind of leads that I've done were always very pentatonic blues.

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because I've got short stubby fingers. I just can't do those crazy things. That's where I'm at too. Just totally pentatonic bluesy. But you can do a lot with that, but still, the shred thing, I could never really do it. I can't ever tell if it's because I don't do it because I don't like it or I don't like it because I can't do it. It's never clear to me. I always wanted to be able to do the crazy lead stuff. I could do a little bit of Eddie Van Halen hammer-on finger tapping, a little.

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But like just you know the crazy like past the 12th fret

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You know lead work that these guys do it's just like

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Everything collapses. Yeah, I just can't do that me either

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I don't know if and I think it's a thought process thing with me. Yeah, yeah

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Like I literally just can't be that focused on that

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That that speed

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I don't understand I watch them in like in videos playing stuff or like the guys on that metal show when they're playing between

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and you look at their picking hand versus their fret hand and their picking hand seems to be moving about half the speed of their fretting hand and i'm going you know obviously there's like hammers and pulls and such but i just i've like you listen to it and it's just it's incredibly fast and like it sounds like they're playing a million notes but they obviously can't be because they're picking hands just casually going up and down like yeah ingve is like that did it can i ask you a question to buke

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like fall over there or something like that? I'm just sitting here just listening. Taking it all in. I just, you know, about this talk about Becker, I just, my own personal stuff, I just kind of just. You have ALS in your head right now, I think. Like you just stopped. He's a bit of a, a bit of a, a worrier. Hypochondriac. I am. I am. So we said ALS. Now he's going to go home and be like, man, I think I've got ALS. I've got ALS. Hey, I've got everything on.

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I'm WebMD. Everything. We all do. We all fucking do. How did that happen? I go up there and I read and I'm like, yeah, that happens. I have a runny nose. I got brain tumor. I'm dead. Yep. No, I love hearing you guys talk. Jay, let me ask you this. To somebody who plays guitar, you look at, for example, you look at a Black Label Society show. Half of that show is Zach up on stage just ripping it and tearing it. To me, while it's cool,

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It doesn't really do anything for me. Maybe because I don't play guitar. Does that do anything for you when these guys are up there just shredding face for minutes? No. Honestly, no. I have to kind of defer to what I just said, though, which is I'm not sure if I don't like it because I can't do it or if I don't do it because I... whatever. But I will say this. I mean, I don't... you guys will recall in all of our lifetimes and metal fandom times, the drum solo used to be a thing. You know what I mean? And it still is, unfortunately, in some cases.

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We went to see the Scorpions and still a drum solo. I'm like, ooh. You're embarrassed for them. You're like, oh, no, no, no, don't do that. For a period of time, Dream Theater fans would stab you in the neck for saying that statement. No, but George, you hit it on the nail on the head. You said, I'm sorry, I guess you guys didn't get that memo. We're not really doing that anymore. It is just the old school guys that are doing it. And prog metal fans. So I liken the shredding to that. What I mean is literally just some guy.

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I can think of a million guitar solos I've enjoyed watching when they were the old Hendrix things. But no, man, I don't really get off of it. I went to a Buckethead show six, seven years ago. The guy is phenomenal. And that's really what he's about. But it was like a two-hour show. But after like 45 minutes, it's kind of like, yeah, I've seen this already. You've already done it. It's on that neck already. Back in the late 80s, I went to an Yngwie Malmsteen show. It was for the Odyssey tour.

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I remember that record and half literally half the show he did played an hour and a half set and he played a 45-minute solo and we were just like people start looking around the room like is it time to leave yet just be like I'm gonna go hit the merch booth maybe take a whiz and come out we still playing is he okay is he still doing that you know like every guitarist they get into that solo you know their face kind of tightens up is he still doing that the whole time probably

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Yeah. I mean, he is Yngwie Malmsteen. I'm not taking away from the fact that he is a brilliant guitar player. Amazing. But not really paying to go see that. No, me either. And I mean, that's why, by the way, in my band, not every single song has guitar solos. No one's a dude, they're pretty short. But that's really, I don't miss them. If it was me and I was listening to a record without guitar solos, I probably wouldn't even... Metallica, Some Kind of Monster didn't have any. And we did miss that. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That record needed something to help it along. But I mean,

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Yeah, no, that's not really my cup of tea, dude. I'm all for guitar solos, just at a reasonable length, you know. A minute or two, great, let's do this. Yeah, melt your face! Yeah, melt your fucking face! But then put it back and get back into the song and, you know. I'm just picturing any number of... Well, actually, I saw Spinal Tap live once, and there's a really funny scene where... God, I can't believe it. It's supposed to have been the first thing in my head. And there's a scene... Or not a scene. I saw it, like,

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You saw him in Cleveland? Yeah, yeah. And Nigel Tufnell has a guitar solo. And during his guitar solo, they played a video in the background on the big screen. And it was the rest of the guys going out and getting a manicure. It went on and on and on. And they go to a restaurant. It was really funny. That's awesome. Yeah, it was a good end. So there you go. I mean, that would be all end all. Right on. So Jason Becker, though, I think that that thing's sad.

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And I knew this woman who had ALS and just ate her up in two years. She was gone.

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Wow, that's terrible.

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Really super nice lady too.

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It's a sad, sad, but what's Dennis Leary's thing, you know?

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Lou Gehrig, he talks, Dennis Leary used to talk about Lou Gehrig's disease and he said, "Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease." I'm surprised he didn't see that coming, you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Or Homer Simpson's disease. I think there was one for a while. "Why me?" Homer.

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When they told him he had Homer Simpson's disease, he shouted, why me? So you may have come upon this podcast based on the promise of an interview with Matt Barlow of Ashes of Aries and, of course, formerly of Iced Earth. Well, if you've been sitting around listening to us talk for the last half hour, 45 minutes, wondering when the hell we're going to get to it, now we're going to get to it. So without further ado, here's Buke and I interviewing Matt Barlow.

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Hey everyone, this is George. And this is Buke. We're on the Metalheads podcast here, and we are here today with Matt Barlow of Ashes of Aries and, of course, Ice-Dearth. How are you doing today, Matt? Good, man. Good. How are you guys? We are doing well. Doing excellent. It is an honor to speak to you, Matt. Definitely. I've been a fan for... Well, I'll get into that later. But anyway, so one question that we like to ask people when we get them on here is, at what age did you get into music? How did you get into music?

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to music in the first place.

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Okay, well, man, I've loved music since I was a kid.

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And I would sing, you know, like I would be able to memorize songs and stuff like that.

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And, you know, I'd be doing like the Carpenters and, you know, on top of the world and all that other good stuff when I was like five.

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And I didn't really start getting into singing until I was in chorus and stuff like that, obviously in school.

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But, you know, I started really getting into the kind of the stage band kind of thing when I was in high school.

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We had a band in my high school called Excalibur because we were the Golden Knights of Sussex Central. Nice. And yeah, so that was kind of cool. Kind of metal, too. Kind of a metal name, although at that point I wasn't really doing metal so much. I had a bass baritone voice and I was sort of equipped for country songs or I did some like Criss Cross and stuff like that. Not Criss Cross will make you jump. Christopher Cross, you know, that kind of stuff. But that's kind of the stuff that I was doing.

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with that band. And then I started jamming with some friends of mine who were also in that band, but we started another band. And we started doing like, you know, hard rock and heavy metal, you know, like hair, hair, you know, hair band kind of stuff was, you know, my friends were more into that, the hair band kind of stuff. And I was sort of like lean towards Metallica. So we, we made a compromise. We did some Metallica and then we did some hair band stuff and, and all that. And, and that's kind of how it, how it went. And then I really started kind of getting into original music with my brother, Jim.

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who's a guitar player. And we got a couple guys together and we formed this band called Cauldron. So we did original stuff. And that was kind of like my first kind of introduction into writing and how all that worked. And I'm not, I think the songs were pretty cool. You know, we were definitely more like thrash oriented. Our big influences were probably, you know, Bay Area stuff, Metallica and Slayer and, you know, maybe a little Megadeth and some Forbidden thrown in there. You know, that kind of vibe. That was us. And Testament.

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I definitely can't leave out the leave out I have to ask you George is from a little town in Michigan you're from Mississippi I I was born in Mississippi okay okay where were you were you I was gonna go where I was was going with is if you were raised there how is the music scene next it doesn't seem like a metal hotbed yeah no no man I was born I was actually born on a Keesler Air Base because I'm a I'm a military kid my my my dad my mom and dad were both in the

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All my, me and my siblings were all born on military bases. But shortly after my birth, my dad was done with the Navy. He did a tour in Vietnam and stuff. And he was done. He had spent 10 years as a corpsman in the Navy. So I was born in Kiesler, and we moved to Delaware like three months later. So I grew up in Delaware. I'm a Delaware guy. And to answer your question about metal in Delaware, not so much.

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I was going to say, you know, living here in Maryland, the music scene, you know, we're so close. It's small. Right. Yeah, it is. It's weird, man. But, you know, but then, you know, you got the beautiful part of it is that, you know, like Baltimore now is hosting the, you know, the Death Fest and all that stuff. And, you know, I mean, that's pretty cool stuff, man. I mean, it's different. But there were, you know, there were several bands that like when I was coming up, there were several bands that were big. I don't know if you got if you knew the band Mystic Force. They were in Baltimore.

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I think they may still be doing some stuff around there. But there were a few people that were really into it. And then there was some really good clubs. Like, man, over in Pasadena, there used to be a club called The Network. Did you ever go to Hammerjacks? Hammerjacks, absolutely, before it got torn down. Dude, I saw some of the best shows I've ever seen. Slayer. I saw Slayer and Hammerjacks. It was ridiculous. I saw Pantera when they were first starting out.

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The very first tour that they did for Cowboys from Hell, there was like maybe 30 people there. I was one of those guys, and we were just having a great... No, I'm sure it wasn't great for them, but it was certainly great as somebody like... Because you could take in the music, and they were just spot on, man. They were just absolutely phenomenal. The shit that they were playing sounded like the record. It's just really cool, one of those things where you can look back and go,

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I saw them when they were actually hung out. They were torn around in a Winnebago. Phil Anselmo, of all people, was giving me shit for smoking cigarettes. Come on, man. The upside of that, too, is the guy, I didn't realize it was a 21 and up show at the time because I had gone to a bunch of shows, Network and everything else. They were all 18 or up or whatever. I was 20. I wasn't even 21 yet. Phil was essentially my same age.

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I think he's maybe a year older than me. And he's like, oh, that's okay, man. We'll get you on the list or whatever. And they did. I got on the list and got in and all that other good stuff. So, I mean, it's really cool and that kind of stuff has always stuck with me about being, obviously I enjoy metal, but knowing just being part of that and I've experienced that so much that the metal crowd, man, are just really open and cool and it starts from the top down. I mean, I'm sure there's some people that are

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A-holes, man. It just, you know, it goes without saying. Yeah, it goes without saying. But for the most part, the metal crowd is pretty tight, you know. And I've always thought about that, and I always think about that when talking to people and talking to fans. And, you know, I just, I always want to be accessible as possible, you know, and talk to people and be cool with them. And, you know, I may not be able to get everybody that's under 21 into a show, but, you know, I'll do what I can if it means, you know, if they can get into a show.

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or whatever and enjoy the music.

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Was there a particular metal band that got you into metal in the first place?

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From rock music into metal.

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When I was young, Kiss was a big thing.

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Then later on Metallica.

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Was there a particular band that you just latched onto and said, this is it?

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Well, as far as stuff that got me into metal, it's weird.

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I miss that Kiss thing.

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John Schaefer was really huge, you know, influenced by Kiss, but John's like two years older than me, and that kind of shows you how the music, you know, it's like if you miss it by a couple years, you know, you kind of miss the big push, and I was more, I probably got more into like ACDC, that was kind of like heavy for me, you know, especially, you know, just, you know, Highway to Hell, man, you know, you say the word hell in, you know, Delaware back in the day, it was like, that was a big thing, you know, and it was, and it was

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It was kind of rough. The musical content, essentially, they're talking about

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selling their souls and all this other stuff. That's pretty heavy stuff, especially for a kid.

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I started getting into Black Sabbath after that. They were obviously already established and everything. Well established for probably a decade or so. But I didn't get into them until after that.

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So I would say ACDC and even oddly enough I sort of considered Rush because my first introduction to Rush was like 2112 and moving pictures and stuff. There's some dark themes in that stuff too and even though it's not necessarily metal it was heavy themes and that's the kind of stuff that I've always been interested in more than just the music or like how it sounds or how you know because you know heavy metal kind of covers a big gambit and to me the heavy part is

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is the thing. The heaviness, the conceptual stuff, the dark stuff. I've always kind of been pulled to dark themes and things like that. I don't know exactly why, but according to my mother, my granny, who was her mom, she was huge. This little lady was huge into night gallery and stuff like that. Stuff that was scary. From West Virginia, a little lady from West Virginia,

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I was like into that kind of stuff. So maybe that's where I get it. I don't know.

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What about any particular singers? Were there any singers that particularly inspired you, first of all, to sing and like it maybe helps you shape your own style?

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Sure. You know, Rob Halford, obviously, Bruce Dickinson, James Hetfield. Man, there's just so many. Russ Anderson from Forbidden. I mean, guys that, you know, when I was kind of coming out of that and kind of finding my own way, I heard these guys and I heard certain things about their voices that I was like, well, you know,

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that kind of sounds like me in this part, but I need to work on this part. Rob Halford has a really beautiful lower end range. He has just some really neat timbre to his voice, but he was able to do all this high stuff that I couldn't do at the time. All that stuff I really had to work on. Matt, I don't know how much you look online at different things, but fans have an opinion about everything. But if you look online,

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A lot of people put you there with the

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greats and stuff. How does that make you feel?

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Well, I mean, honored,

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obviously, man. I mean, that's incredible.

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I mean, it's very, very

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flattering. Now,

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everybody, I think everybody

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puts themselves into a thing and you're always

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your own worst critic. So you kind of

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look at it and go, well,

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I'm not those guys.

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And obvious reasons, I can say

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that I'm not Rob Halford. I'm not

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I've never attained that kind of

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that kind of status for doing it. And it's a combination of things. Because it's not just Bruce and it's not just Rob. It's Judas Priest and it's Iron Maiden. And those guys obviously got to where they are because of a group effort and things like that. And I got to give every bit of credit to John Schaefer for taking me on. I attained what I was able to attain and what I have been able to attain because of John. I mean, I'm not going to bullshit anybody and say otherwise. I was given an opportunity. I made the best

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of my opportunity. That's how it works.

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But I have always tried to improve upon and expand my instrument.

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That's kind of a tough thing to do sometimes.

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A lot of guys get out there and they abuse it.

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It's tough, man. When you carry your instrument with you 24-7, it's really tough to sometimes not abuse it.

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because that's how we are. That's human nature. But just try to take care of it and roll. I'm sorry. No, that's okay, man. Go ahead. I was going to say, when you burst onto the scene, music in the metal world was, like George and I talked about earlier, between ourselves before we called you, was almost non-existent, almost dead. Is that what you were saying, George? It was kind of stale? Well, you know, it was during the alternative grunge time. And, you know, so the thrash bands were sort of, you know, going away.

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And I know the death metal and black metal bands were starting to emerge. But for me, as you know, I came up listening during the early 80s. And by the time the early 90s came around, I was really kind of hard pressed to find new music in the record store that, you know, was metal that I was, you know, really excited about. And in fact, Night of the Storm Rider, when that came out, I was like, holy crap. And, you know, I loved that. And then the next album came out, I opened it up, and I was like,

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I was looking at it and I was like wait a minute they changed singers and I was like noooo the curse of the changing singers and I was I was so disappointed until I played it and you know and ever since then you know you've been the voice of ice dearth for me so that's that's cool man I appreciate that what were you saying I was just gonna say that that record is kind of a kind of an interesting thing because you know for me obviously holds a lot of sentimental

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for me. And it was one that we didn't play a lot of because John just really, you know, he had a big, that was like marked a dark time in his life, even though, you know, hopefully now he looks back at it and goes, well, that was pretty good time though. Cause you know, I picked up Matt and we did a lot with, with that, but there's a lot of cool songs on that record. And there, you know, whether, wherever the inspiration came from, whether it was just pure negativity, but a lot of people still say that, that that's one of their favorite records. Cause that maybe,

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is the first one they listen to or whatever. But also, I think, because of those themes and that darkness and heaviness, and we have a lot of death and black metal fans that really, that's the record that they go to. And the cool thing about that is it kind of shows you the diversity of Iced Earth and what we were able to do. And we kind of bridged a lot of divides in metal and did a lot of different things. And people would always try to put Iced Earth or whatever into a hole.

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What are you? Are you this or that or the other? The answer is just metal. It's heavy metal. You can't really go, where is it? That's a good thing, I think. The album we're talking about here is Burnt Offerings. I just realized last night that this month marks the 20th anniversary of the release of Burnt Offerings. Do you have any thoughts on that milestone? I don't really. That's a long time. Thanks a lot.

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It made me feel old, too. Like I was saying, I bought that when it first came out 20 years ago. And that little story about looking through the booklet was 20 years ago. It doesn't seem that long ago, but time flies. Yep, yep, it does. But hopefully people will go, let's listen to some oldies and pick up a record and listen to it. I mean, that's great. That's awesome. I kind of got ahead of myself there, but I still wanted to ask you about the best show you've ever

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I wanted George and I to ask this. I saw on your Facebook a couple months back, you posed a great question to your fans. What was their greatest live experience? And I saw you maybe to help your memory here. You mentioned something about seeing Ozzy at the Salisbury Civic Center. And you're talking to Zach Wild after the show. Yeah, yeah. Like at the Burger King. Yeah, it was bizarre. It was like, you know, because they pulled up on a bike.

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And I think, man, I cannot remember who was drumming for them at the time. It was because those two guys were on the same bus. I think they had the bus. Of course, Ozzy was somewhere else. But yeah, it was like his first tour. It was Zach Wilde's first tour, and it was maybe their second or third show, I think. Was it Randy Castillo? It was Castillo, exactly. Yeah, and Castillo was kind of a meh, you know. But Zach, I mean, I'm not saying.

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And, you know, maybe he just had a bad night, but he was kind of like, eh, you know. He was more, I think, talking to the girls or something. I don't know. But Zach was, like, really, you know, wide-eyed, fresh-faced, and, like, just really happy to, like, you know, talk to people. And that's cool. And I don't know that he's not still that way. And actually, I actually did meet, I met Zach one other time. I think he was going to, he was going to fly into Florida, and I was flying at the same time or something. We were on the same flight. He was going to a clinic, I think, maybe.

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and I was flying for some reason. Anyway, I talked to him for a bit then too. But anyway, I digress. So yeah, that was a really cool experience. And I cannot remember what year that was, 89 maybe, something like that. And see, if I recall right, White Lion and Vixen were open for them. Yeah. Wow. You know, for listeners of the podcast here, I may have said it in the past, I myself in law enforcement, Matt is, you know, himself,

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in law enforcement too. I wanted to ask you, Matt, has the reception been positive for you over the years in changing into that field? I think for the most part it has, man. I mean, obviously you're going to have some people that just hate, you know what I mean? They just can't, you know, but I mean, I think most of those folks probably don't converse with me or they don't, you know, whatever. They don't, you know, they're not fans on Facebook or whatever. I mean, maybe they are just because,

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But some people just, they're just not ever going to like police or whatever. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of stuff going on right now that people don't like. The climate is not favorable. Everybody's going to have opinions, and that's fine, man. But I would say that 99%, man, I mean, is positive. And people get it, and people understand that you have to have police, man. There has to be some sort of law and order. Anarchy would never work in a million years because anarchy essentially is,

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The strongest survive. Period. And that's it. And you have to have laws to set up for the meek. You know what I mean? Of course. You know what I'm saying. Sheepdog in the sheep. That's how I've heard it described before. Yep. That's it, man. We do our best, man. That's all I can say. I'm sure Buke knows that. We do our best and do our job. Do you think you get asked about it in recent years?

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because a lot of people can't fathom a metal singer being an officer at the same time.

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You know, almost like they don't go together.

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Yeah, but, you know, I guess, man.

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But, you know, I guess you'd be surprised.

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I think there's a lot of metalheads.

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I mean, are there as many metalheads as maybe country music listeners in the law enforcement field?

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Maybe not.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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But there are quite a few.

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You know, I'm even, you know, in my department, you know, there's some metalheads that, you know, my captain in one of his favorite bands is Megadeth. So it just, I think, you know, we're all, you know, we're all growing up and we, you know, a lot of the guys that are in law enforcement now, I mean, we're listening to, you know, Metallica on regular stations back in the day, you know, when the Black Album came out and, you know, those guys grew up listening to it, whether it was, you know, directly,

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I'm listening to the radio and I'm hearing Metallica and Megadeth and Ozzy and all this stuff. I just don't think it's a stretch. I don't think there's as much of a stigma attached to heavy metal. Certainly not as back when I was coming up and it was like the people going to Ozzy and protesting and stuff like that because he's biting the heads off of rubber bats and stuff. One of the questions, probably the biggest question I wanted to ask you when I got you on,

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is, you know, in our line of work, on any given day, you know, tragically, our departments both have lost officers in the line of duty, we could run into somebody who their only, you know, goal could be to end our lives. Has that made you take a step back and maybe look throughout the years and say, you know what, maybe those times that, you know, we got upset that this show didn't have these many people here, or, you know, this record didn't do so well, kind of maybe put things in perspective now, because, you know,

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With the birth of my first child over the summer, me personally, it made me, you know, in going to work every day, put things in perspective a lot more. I wondered, since you've seen two different worlds, you know, of touring the world in a band and now your day-to-day work. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, and I think that just comes with, not only with the career in law enforcement, but just also with growing up and, like you said, having kids. I mean, everything like that, it changes your perspective, and that's

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One of the coolest things about still doing music and doing it maybe in a more limited aspect with Ashes of Aries because of careers and things like that with guys in the band, mine included. But you do it because you love it, man. And that's what it is for me. And that's what it's come down to. It's less of a drive for me to excel, quote, excel in the music industry. And by that, I mean do whatever you can to scratch and claw.

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your way to the top. Or just produce good music that you enjoy, that you want other people to hear, and you want to share with those other people. And when we do go out on tour and we do stuff, it's not about how many people we can get packed in. Obviously, you want people to come to your show and enjoy your show. But at the same time, if there's 15 people show up, 15, 20 people, you're still going to put on the best possible show you can. You're going to have fun with it. And then when you're done with the show, you're going to get out there.

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and shake hands and talk to them and do what you do. You're there to entertain and you're there to bring your music out. That's what it's about for me now. I've always wanted it to be that way. Obviously, at other points in my life, we were really concerned about how many people were getting in here and all this other stuff. It does. It changes your perspective on things. I do this music because I love it. That's the most important thing. That's another reason why I'm in law enforcement.

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because I love it. If I didn't love it and I figured that out within a couple years, I'd probably be doing something else. But I'm going on 12 years and I love what I do. Yeah, I have 10 years on too. It's a calling. You feel it inside yourself. Do you, transitioning into law enforcement now, do you look back with any regrets for your past days in the metal world?

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No, I really don't, man. Okay, because you've transitioned now into Ashes of Aries, which sounds like you have a great balance between the work and band life. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's worked out really well, man. And like I said, I've got, you know, obviously great support systems. My wife is very supportive. My family's really supportive. My other, you know, my bandmates are very supportive. Balancing that out and my career.

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My comrades at the department are very supportive. Do they all know who you are prior to this job? What do you mean? Do they know the greatness when they meet you for the first time? Do they realize who they're talking to? Yeah. Well, some of the guys when guys come on or whatever, they may not know, but then typically somebody will say something and then they'll Google and it'll go on from there.

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But yeah, I still have one guy I've worked with for a couple years now. Every time I walk in the room, he goes, the rock star! That's who he is. I've got a friend like that too. He's in a semi-national band and we work together and everybody there calls him the rock star too. Right, yeah. It's all in good fun. I just think that guys are really supportive.

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There are some guys that have come out to show. Some guys that obviously can't. We're a small department, so every time I do a show, at least half the guys, they're going to be working. Can't shut down the town to come out and see the show. No, you can't. I appreciate the support that I do get. I know everybody's really supportive of what I do musically and stuff like that, so that's cool. As long as the command staff allows you to do it, that's all that matters.

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Yeah, and that's really been awesome. Like I was saying before, my captain's, you know, he's a metalhead, maybe more of a closet metalhead, but he likes to work out to Megadeth and stuff like that. And, you know, when I was doing, when I went back with Ice Start for those couple years and we were doing a lot of shows, you know, he helped kind of move the schedule around a little bit and helped me out, helped me, you know, utilize my vacation days the best of their, you know, their ability.

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But that's pretty much what I do. I try not to take unpaid leave or anything like that because that just hurts the department in the long run. So I try to stay within the parameters of using my paid leave to do what I do. And it's worked out really well so far. Great. Are you still doing anything with the First State Force Band? No, man. I really haven't for a couple of years. When I went back with Ice Dirt, I definitely got away from that because I had so much going on, man.

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And I had little kids. Our first son was born in '05. And then our second was born in '07. So just so many things going on. And I definitely appreciate the cause and the message. I couldn't do it anymore. It was a lot of stuff going on. And it was kind of a lot to do. And there's a lot of talented guys in the band. And there are a lot of talented people within the law enforcement community in Delaware.

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I don't think they're missing me. That sounded like a cool project, sort of a way to work both things in. It is. And the message mainly is obviously keep away from drugs, violence, and respect people. Those are the main themes of the band. And it's targeted towards elementary school kids. Now, I always thought a cool concept would be to do something heavier and directed towards

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high school but you know i don't know that i don't know how that would work either you know uh... i don't know if high school kids are more cynical now or or what but i but i remember back when i was in high school there was a there was a a rock band that winter went around and they and they kind of had the same message and i think they were they were christian back but they weren't like you know here's a bunch of bibles or anything like that they were just they were up you know this kind of same message you know kind of do that do the right thing and you know kind of stay stay away from

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I don't know if I was affected by that, but I certainly appreciated the fact that they were bringing heavier music in and stuff like that. And they sounded good. They were doing Van Halen and different things. And I thought it was kind of a cool thing. And we got to see that in high school. I can't remember what the name of the group was, but I thought it was kind of a cool thing.

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So I gotta say, when I first heard about Ashes of Aries, I had to do a little fist pump and just be like, yes, he's back! How did you come about coming up with Ashes of Aries? Obviously, you needed some sort of output, but I mean, how did it come together? Well, Freddie and I were kind of the ones that started things. We had actually talked about doing some stuff with one another, aside from Ice Earth, back when we were both in Ice Earth.

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And so essentially when Freddie quit Iced Earth, he was on for another tour or two after me. He was on the first record that Stu did vocals on, and then they toured on that record. And then he just kind of had enough with it and wanted to do something else. And he's got a career. He's an engineer and things like that. So when he left Iced Earth, chatted, and he was like, let's start writing some stuff. And we both had ideas, and we kind of came together.

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with our ideas and through the wonder of the internet, we were able to share files and stuff like that and bounce ideas back and forth. And once we got several songs kind of where we wanted them, we approached Van about playing drums because we knew that we wanted a drummer. I knew Van for a long, long time. We toured, you know, did several tours with them with Ice Earth and Nevermore. And Van's an extremely, you know. He is amazing. Yeah, and he's an extremely chill guy too, you know what I mean? Just very funny and, you know,

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Very talented. And besides his drumming talents, he's also a graphic artist. And so obviously that brought another element to it. I mean, he did the graphic arts for the cover and everything. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's all his stuff. And he did Nevermore's logo and all those records. I mean, that's like his stuff. Wow. So that was obviously another element that was really cool. And he had just quit Nevermore. And I said, man,

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We're going to give you some stuff and listen to it and see if you like it. And then we all got together at one point and he was in. So then the three of us started doing stuff and the stuff that Freddie and I already had, we gave it to Van. Van added a whole other dimension with the drums. And it was just cool, man. It was very organic and just felt right. And the stuff that we were putting out, it just had our own vibe.

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I think for the most part because my vocals are on it you know people go hey that sounds like I serve

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I was just about to say that you have a very distinctive sound so of course yeah yeah but but if you you know if you listen to it you know there's not a whole lot of that you know galloping you know that John's famous for um and stuff like that you know that's a great point you know we broke it up there's quite a quite a few little different styles and things like that um within it and I'm not not not to say that you know John doesn't have a you know a diversity to his right

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But there are certain key things that you go grab on and it's ice turf. You know it's ice turf. And I think that with that as far as our catalog keeps increasing and we keep doing records, I think people are going to say the same thing about Ashes because they're going to get that there's that combination between whatever it is, my voice and Freddie's guitar playing and Vans drumming and it's going to be Ashes. And that's a cool thing too.

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And I don't hate that people compare us to Ice Earth, because obviously I have a vested interest in Ice Earth for several records. So, I mean, that's all good, man. I mean, I don't have any problem with that at all, being in that same category. So, I take it as a compliment, and I think we all do. Right on. Who came up with the name Ashes of Aries? Well, I did, and I kind of shot it past the guys.

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and what we were going to call ourselves and things like that. We definitely had the band before we had the name of the band. I thought of this thing and I was thinking we need to do some heavy but sympathetic and this kind of thing we're trying to get the yin and the yang kind of vibe. That's kind of where I went with it. Of course, I googled it and I found some other kids and I don't know even what country they're from.

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had like something up on YouTube and it was like a garage band name and I was like well. I'm bigger. I'm Matt Barlow. Sorry kids. I was like well you know I guess they can try to sue me. Get your lunch money together. Yeah I mean I wasn't really worried and I would hope that you know and I've made comments about it and I hope that they're happy that they you know they had the name the idea first I guess but I just thought it was a cool thing and my the concept and the thing that I

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When I explained it to the guys, my concept was it can mean dual meanings. Or triple meanings. It can mean we smash teenage bands. Oh, come on. Right, right. That's the hidden meaning. We don't want that to be to the forefront. But the main thing is that the ashes of Ares can either mean the ashes that are left behind after Ares has gotten everyone on Earth to commit to war and we've wiped ourselves out.

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A time in Earth's history, future history hopefully, where war has been eliminated and those are the only thing left of Ares is the ashes because he no longer exists. You know, because he's, you know, his soul can't exist because he thrives off of war, obviously. How badass is that, George? So that's kind of the yin and the yang kind of idea. And we like to, I certainly in writing lyrics and stuff, I always like to mess with dual concepts.

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I like people to be able to think, well, it means this, but then it could mean this. And kind of leave that question or leave the answer to you as a listener. Hey, Matt, speaking about your lyrics and stuff, and power metal fans are historically, I've seen on the internet, known for this. Have you had people diving a little too deep into your lyrics and you being like, yeah, that's cool, but maybe that's a little more deep than what I was even going with that? Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, and I'm also, I'm putting that in a box all the time as like, for some reason, they think Ashes of Aries is a Christian band or whatever, you know what I mean? I'm like, where are you? I mean, yes, I deal with concepts of heaven and hell all the time, you know, and I have, because again, that is something that's interesting to me. You know, I think that the mythology involved there, whether it be, you know, Christian, Greek, you know, or other mythologies is cool to me. And I'm not saying that, you know, there's not a viable,

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thing with Christianity and I'm not going down that road either. I'm not bashing anybody's religion. I feel absolutely, you know, 100% that everybody has the right to practice whatever religion as long as it's not encroaching upon my rights. But, you know, it's just weird that people automatically go, oh, they're a Christian man because I use the word God, you know, or whatever. But I don't like to leave anybody out. You know, I like to look at all aspects of it, whether it be, you know, evil or the devil or God or whatever.

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because obviously you can't really have a devil without there being a god. As far as that mythos of that. So I touch on all that kind of stuff. That's my wheelhouse right there. I like it and these will be reoccurring themes. So just stand by. The internet is famous for making shit up for bashing you, bashing whoever, bashing John. Did you try and stay away from

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when you left Ice Earth, because it seems like it was on great terms, but the internet made John out to be this big asshole, and you were, you know, like the victim, and Ice Earth, you know, pushed you out and stuff like that. I always wanted to get some clarity on that. Well, here's the thing. I don't think that John, I mean, John made a business decision, you know, and I don't fall anybody for that at all. We're talking about the first time, well, here's

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We'll start with the first time. Okay. So when we're doing Glorious Burden, obviously 9-11 affected almost everybody on the planet, especially people within the U.S. I was affected in a way that kind of made me step back and take a look at where I was in my life at this particular time. Okay. I'm 31 years old. Where am I in the big scope of things? And at that point, I mean, I wasn't really, I wasn't getting paid by Easter Earth. Yes, I've gone and done some

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really cool tours and gotten paid but I wasn't making a living you know not by any stretch of the imagination we'd entered into a new deal or we were getting ready to enter into a new deal with with SPV and I basically went to John I was like man you know you know I think right now is probably a good time for me to to to step out because you've got a new deal now I can go and do something else with my life and I was at that point I was looking at law enforcement you know to do you know I wanted to go to school and and you know go to you know

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You know, take some CJ classes and stuff like that and kind of form a different path. Well, John had talked me into staying and I did. And I was, you know, kind of on a salary kind of a thing. It was not a lot, you know, by any stretch. I guess it was better than I had ever gotten, but it wasn't great. So I was doing other work for John and things like that, as well as singing. And we were doing Glorious Burden. Obviously, John was influenced. Again, 9-11 really influenced him for that record and stuff like that.

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So I went in, cut the tracks for the record, and John had gone down to Florida to mix it with Jim. And then John came back home and said, look, man, you know, not really wasn't feeling the vibe of it, and I'm going to let you go. So, I mean, that's pretty much it. I mean, he made a call, and, you know, I respected it. And actually, that was fine, and it couldn't have been more perfect timing, because here's exactly what I did. I was like, okay, cool. Went home, talked to my wife. I said,

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You know, now's the time. So I started putting in applications to places. Franklin, Indiana, PD. I put an application. I tested. One of the greatest things I ever did was test there because it was one of the hardest tests. Well, out of all the tests. The written or the physical test? The written test. Yeah. One of the hardest tests that I took on any of the tests that I took in law enforcement. But it got me ready for all the other ones. Now, I only made it to like the 12th spot, and they were only hiring so many. So I didn't get the gig.

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But I started putting in other places in Delaware, over here in Delaware and stuff. Anyway, long story short, after making several trips to Delaware and testing and doing physicals and all this other stuff, I'm in the academy six months later. So after getting fired from Ice Earth, I'm in the academy for here, for Georgetown. So the timing couldn't have been better, man. I mean, it really couldn't have been as far as me starting this career. And it just worked out.

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So I'm on the job for a couple years. I'm on the road in 2004, and then John gets a hold of me through my wife, who is his sister, and basically starts saying, hey, I'd like to have you back, what have you. May I quickly interrupt you here first? Sure. How did you feel when they brought in Tim for that short period of time?

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with Eister. So I'd be lying if I said my feelings weren't hurt a little bit.

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Of course.

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But, you know, it is what it is, man.

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You know, looking back at it now, I go, looking back at it now, I go, you know, it worked out really well.

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And now, you know, fortunately, because of it, you know,

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I mean that's that mutual respect so that's a very cool thing.

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You mentioned that you cut tracks for The Glorious Burden so that means that they exist somewhere.

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We could technically see a reissue with Matt Barlow on vocals.

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Yeah but they're not going to be nearly as good as what Tim.

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I've seen you sing them live.

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You singing Declaration Day live?

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Oh man if the festival was on the Wicked DVD?

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Oh that's amazing.

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Yeah, but I'm singing it the way Tim sang it, and what was on the record was not that way. So I took inspiration from Tim as well as I needed to sing it like it was on the record, or try, do it in my best ability to sing it that way. And that's Tim, man. I wouldn't want it reissued, man, because Tim did a phenomenal job on it. And I gotta say, I still gotta respect the heck out of him, man. He was singing songs that were my, some of them were my lyrics, like Attila,

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And Waterloo, I mean, that stuff, those were my lyrics. And Tim sang them and did a phenomenal job on them. And that was really cool. So I hope that they don't ever try to reissue any of the stuff. And hopefully those tracks are growing. I mean, I've got some CDs with the stuff, but it's, you know, demoed up and it's not good. And it won't ever see the light of day. From a fan perspective, you know, it would just be cool to hear. Sort of like, you know, like,

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when you get all the bootlegs from the Grateful Dead and things like that. Just to hear it. Obviously, the finished product is probably going to be the better thing. Matt, you started to say before I interrupted you that John had reached out to your wife, his sister. Right, right. In 2007. And then we're doing shows in 2008. We did that for a couple of years and we did work around my schedule for the most part, but it got to a point where the music

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The music industry, man, is just brutal right now. And it has been for several years. And guys just cannot make money off of recording records. It sounds like you saw the writing on the wall, Matt. Well, you know, I guess I did. But, you know, John, well, and here's the thing. I guess I think we probably did. And we talked to John about this. And I was like, man, are you sure? When he called and wanted me back to do the record and a tour and stuff like that, I was like, man, are you sure?

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And Heather and I both were really, hey man, are you sure you want this? And he was, and he was sure. But after a couple years, it became painfully evident that Ice Earth could not make it as a band. And John couldn't make a living off of it without touring heavy, really heavily. And that just wasn't something that I could do, man. I mean, he asked me, said, he wanted me on full time. And I said, man, I just can't do it.

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And that's basically it. So I stepped out and Stu came in, man. And it's been doing really well for them, I think.

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Do you think that the instability of the band's lineup has hurt Ice-Dirth over the years? I mean, I was going back and counting and there's been, you know, just vocalists alone, there's been five vocalists since the first album. You know, from a fan perspective, do you think that hurts the band?

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Maybe. I don't, man, I don't know. I really don't. I don't know if it's hurt or not. I mean, because the thing is, is that it's, I,

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I think there are more Ice Earth fans now than there were back then. I don't know that for sure, to be sure, but I think that there probably are. And probably a lot of that has to do with all the touring that they're doing. It's something that we probably should have done a lot more of when I was in the band and when we were solidly in there, but we didn't. Because I think probably one of the things is that the motivation wasn't there. Certainly not for John, because John was making money off the record.

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to a degree. And also, he was also making money in his defense. He was making money on doing stuff with Hansi, with demons and wizards and stuff like that. So, I mean, John was, you know, happy and content with doing this and not doing this, you know. But obviously for a guy that was more of a paid musician type guy to begin with, it would have been better for me to be on the road all the time. But I wasn't, you know. So, I don't know, man. It's the industry, you know. Just the way it changes.

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Because obviously that's not where I'm at right now. I'm not going to be out there on the road busting my hump at 45 years old. Doing that all the time. Ashes of Aries is going to get out there and we're going to do as many shows as we can but we're not going to be touring for six, nine months out of the year. It's just not going to happen. Matt, that leads me into my next question. Ashes of Aries, you guys' last album came out what? Two years ago now? 2013. Can we expect anything new coming, buddy? Yeah, man. We're working on it.

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We're still writing. Obviously, there have been some things going on. Freddie's moved from New Hampshire back down to Arizona, so he's kind of had a big move there with a job and all that. Van's got stuff going on with Ghost Ship Octavius, which is another band that he's involved with. So we've still got stuff going on. We've still got stuff bouncing around, but we are currently writing and getting all of our stuff.

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Does the landscape of music now, Matt, change how you move forward in terms of, hey, maybe you could do like a three-track small release, release it online or four, whatever. Does that change going forward? Yeah, I mean, man, that is a good point. And that may be something that we consider in the future. That's not a bad idea. I mean, we have actually thought of doing that kind of stuff, you know, doing smaller releases.

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And, you know, here and there. Because, you know, like you said, it is a different landscape altogether. You know, Matt, I hear your kids in the background. I have, you know, my daughter now. Your kids and my daughter may never even buy an album again. Right. Physically. They may just buy tracks here and there. Yeah. And that's kind of sad, man. Because I still like to, you know, and I know, you know, even with like movies and stuff like that, I know that you can,

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You can download movies to own now. Man, there's something about that physical, you know, getting it. Even if you order it from Amazon and it comes, you know, two days later, just having that physical thing there, you know, to see and open it up and look at it and go, you know what, I own this. And it seems like we are getting away from that as society. It's like, download everything. Everything's an app. You know, everything's downloadable. And it just, there's something, I don't know, something kind of sterile about that.

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Yeah, we're both big vinyl fans, so we're always trying to push the vinyl initiative. The vinyl revolution. Exactly. What do you think about the vinyl revolution? Do you think it's a fad? You know, I don't know, man. I mean, the thing is, I think, and I probably should put my money where my mouth is and buy a turntable. I've got several friends that actually do have turntables, and they're getting into vinyl.

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And they say it is having the best of both worlds because they buy a turntable and then they can convert that stuff into MP3s if they want to or whatever. But that vinyl still does have that rich, really rich sound. Definitely. Yeah, I've also been getting into high-definition digital audio so that I can sort of have the best of both worlds because I like to have the vinyl at home where I can look at the artwork,

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and spin the vinyl. But at the same time, I like to have the portability of digital. And recently I've come to find out just how much of the sound you actually lose when you're listening to an MP3 as opposed to like a lossless rip from a CD or something like that. And so I've been trying to convert all my CDs into these FLAC files for my digital portability. Yet at the same time, I'm also building up my vinyl collection so that I can have the

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the cozy, fuzzy, warm feelings I used to get when I was younger.

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Yeah, and I think that that's a really important thing that some people, and I'm not sure if the casual listener really cares or not, but I think that the folks that like to go and put the full headphones on, and that's the whole thing now, everybody's with the Beats, and they're really awesome headphones, but hey man, plug it into something that you can't do.

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can really enjoy. I mean, it's being lost in MP3s, you know what I mean? Plug those awesome headphones into something that actually produces a really beautiful sound. That was one of the things that I really, when Nuclear Blast released the streaming stuff and the record and released, and people were listening to it in MP3 format, man, and they were like, oh, you know, it sounds really bassy. That was our biggest thing. It's really bassy. It sounds really bassy. I was like, but here's the thing, and here's my

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Please get it on CD and then crank it up like you're listening to a metal record, man.

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And it's amazing how you get that total separation.

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Because the thing is, the way it was recorded and the way it was mastered, it was mastered so that it should be heard at heavy metal volumes.

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George had that experience with lossless file a couple weeks back.

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Yeah, when you're listening to an MP3, the high end really gets cut.

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It's sort of like a telephone. It kind of takes the highs and the lows and just cuts everything and leaves everything in the middle. Yep. And so I was in the car playing something, and I had it up at a certain level, and I was like, boy, that really sounds kind of muddy. And I was like, wait a minute, I've got Tidal now, this lossless, it's like Spotify, but for lossless audio. And so I put on the same album there, and it was just a world of difference. It was so much clearer. Right. You know, that muddiness just went away. Yeah.

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And it's amazing. That's the only thing that I don't like. I think it's a good thing to sample basically how music, the song, like the song structure, kind of what's there. But don't put all your faith in MP3. And don't just download, don't just cheat and download the free music because it's on MP3. If you really want to enjoy it, I think on that level, you really need to buy it and get that full feeling, man. I mean, that's where it's at.

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You cannot cram that much information into an MP3 and have it sound really good. You can't do it. Nope. Matt, I got two more then we'll let you go here. I wanted to ask you, when you started Ashes of Aries, was it a concern for you trying to maybe convince fans to get them on board with you to where they don't always view you as Iced Earth, Matt Barlow, that this is something new? Are you fine when fans think of your name?

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They think of Ice Earth and then they, you mentioned earlier that they're always comparing you to that. Right. No, man. I, dude, I'm, no, I'm not one of those guys that's going to deny, deny my past or, like I said, you know, I'm, I'm very open as far as giving, giving John credit for giving me a shot. You know what I mean? I mean, I, I know partly the reason that I am where I am is because of John and, and, you know, totally, totally give credit to Ice Earth for, for that. And I don't, and yeah, I'm not, I'm not like one of those guys.

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those deniers and I don't go, oh, it's all me and this is me. Have I tried to do some different things as far as, because I do have more creative control? Obviously, with Ashes of Aries, I've definitely tried to do more in different things. I mean, I'm not trying to lose my identity at all, but I'm trying to expound upon it. Have you ever tried to do something extremely different from what you do? Well, no, but that might be in a few.

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That may be in the near future. How awesome. I'm not giving anything away. He's not giving anything away, but how awesome would it be, George? Like Matt Barlow, like a pure thrash album. Or like he even pulls out death vocals or something. Think about death vocals with his clean singing. Well, if there's any death vocals, I'm probably going to leave that to Freddie. Or Van, because those are both guys that can do death vocals.

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Yeah, I mean, but there's always that thing. There's that beautiful part. And I would definitely say that, you know, expect to hear our musical influences probably in the next record. You know, we'll try to expound upon things. And I think that's, I think the three of us in our mind, that's what we want to do. That's what we want to push the key, pushing the envelope. You know what I mean? As long as people will listen to us and go, hey, man, I like you guys and all that.

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But that death metal shit, that's got to go. And that's fine. But we want to keep pushing ourselves and doing different things. And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You should see the both of us while you were talking. We were both sort of like wiggling in our chairs excitedly going, yes, we can't wait to hear this. We're giving like fucking power fists. Yes. Whatever you end up doing.

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Matt, just keep it up, brother. Yeah. You know, when I heard Ashes of Aries, the first album, it just blew me away. And I was listening to it again this morning, and it's just pretty damn amazing. So good job. Matt, Matt, Matt, George and I have heard thousands upon thousands of albums. George has a decade on me, but your voice is one of the best in the whole metal scene. So keep it up, brother. Well, thanks. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Yeah, you know, kind of getting back to this record, and you guys,

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I really appreciate the folks that have picked up the record and especially the ones that have said, look, I keep going back to it. Because to me, that's the important thing. There have been records that I've heard in my life that I listened to it a couple times and then that's the last I listened to it. Or occasionally I'll go back and I'll listen to one or two tracks or whatever. But if this record is a grower,

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And it's one of those things where people listen to it once, and then they listen to it a second time, and then they listen to it a third, and they keep listening to the nuances of it and appreciating it more. Man, to me, that's the best thing that there can ever be. Do you care how fans listen now? Do you want them to buy it? Of course you want them to buy it. But do you care if they're on Spotify streaming it, if they're on YouTube watching it? You know, I would just like people to understand that, obviously,

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the more support we get financially for the record company.

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Because we're never getting paid for this.

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We're never getting anything more than we got for doing the record.

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I understand that. I know that.

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Because that's the way the industry is, man.

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They've got to make back their money.

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But by them making back their money, they'll sign us for another record.

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You know what I mean?

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And that's what people need to understand.

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If that doesn't happen, then we're going to be on our own. We're going to be doing stuff. And we will. We would take care of it ourselves. And we'll keep doing stuff no matter what it takes. But that financial help is what makes us be able to get into a studio and pay a really good guy to turn knobs for us and tell us where we're screwing up and how to make these songs sound better. Those guys need to get paid. We don't necessarily, as the writers,

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and the musicians and the guys that this is our baby. We don't need to get paid, man. That's fine. We're not doing this for, but we do have to pay people to produce this stuff because we're not the guys that are the gearhead guys that on the weekends write music. We're musicians and this is what we do. We can conceptualize and we can write and we can put these songs together, but we can't make a record.

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So those guys need to get paid. And for us to do that, we need to have a budget. And for us to have a budget, we need to have a deal. And for us to have a deal, we need to have people that are buying records. You know what I mean? So

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with my nine-month-old and I fed her today, even on YouTube, all your guys' videos has like 300,000 hits, 400,000 hits. People are watching it. People are listening to it. Yeah, yeah, and that's cool. Yeah, that's just me and my wife watching them over and over again. You guys are just putting on constant repeats. We put it in time, okay, we're going to spend an hour inflating our numbers. Matt, you will be happy to know my wife today, I woke up at 8 o'clock.

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I gave my baby a bottle. My wife comes in to me. She goes, it's too early for that. How do you listen to that? I said, babe, it's never too early for metal. I have a newborn baby to start training. She needs to listen to this. And Matt, I have even at work in my cruiser, I'm blaring your guy's stuff. I'm supporting you 24-7, brother. Right on. Right on, man. I appreciate that. I really do. All right. Well, I think we're about ready to wrap this up. We want to thank Matt Barlow for talking to us today. Do you have anything else you wanted to say before we go?

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Well, again, I'd just like to really thank everybody for their support, man, for our first record. Ash of the Veris has done, yeah, I think it's done really well. And, you know, the more we keep going out on the road and we keep doing these tours, we're definitely planning something coming up here in the spring or early summer. So everybody kind of their eyes open, eyes and ears open for that. And, you know, just can't thank you enough for the support and just keep listening.

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All right. Thanks a lot. We'll talk to you next time. All right. That was our interview with Matt Barlow of Ashes of Aries, formerly of Iced Earth. Hope you enjoyed it. We had a blast talking to him. We had a blast talking to him. And I really, I have to stop you both and just tell you how fine a job you did. I really enjoyed listening to it. Like, I can't tell you enough. First of all, you are my friends now, so there's that. But I don't judge it by that. When I was listening to it, and it wasn't, if I had known that interview existed, if I saw it listed on Blarvermouth, I would have been a good one.

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I would have walked away thinking that was awesome because it sounds like you guys are just

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having a nice conversation. You asked good probing questions but you also were both funny and things.

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And he, what a nice guy. Yeah, he was. Super cool, dude. So anyway, I tip my hat to both of you. I think that was a great interview. Thank you. And the nice thing about it is I think he's in a place in his life now where he doesn't shy away and he's proud of what he did before but I think that also

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So he can answer these questions now without... Honestly. Yeah, he can answer them honestly without worrying about, hey, I'm going to practice tomorrow. He's got the best of both worlds, really, because he gets to do this whole rock star thing. And he's still got plenty of fans out there, and he can do that that he loves. But he's also got this job that he really loves that's putting the food on the table and giving him some stability and allowing him to do this. So that's great. What I took away from this interview probably the most is...

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We spent multiple episodes talking about the music industry now and Jane knows it better than of course you and I do George. Matt early on the parents have probably seen the writing on the wall and just had to realize hey it's I have a family just saying you know. Gotta be responsible. Well I think he hit the nail on the head you at least for an independent metal band you cannot be successful and even come close to paying your bills unless you do rather extensive life-ruining tours frankly you know what I mean and so I

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who I am too. I mean, I don't anticipate my band doing a big long tours at all. And also, it's just like this weird, it was a good snapshot from a true insider about the state of the industry now. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I had written to George early in the week, and he had asked me was any questions that he'd like me to sneak in, and I mentioned a couple. And one was, out of true embarrassing interest, I was like, can I ask him about the money thing? I'd like to know if you made money and I started. But I knew that was kind of a rough question.

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But see, the thing is, where George has morals and stuff like that, I don't care, because I, as a fan, I want to know these things. But he offered that up without even asking. He did. He did. He did, which is what made it great. But I also have to mention George's response to that. He sent me the nicest email and response. And we were talking about other things, too. And then he got down to the questions part. And he said, yeah, the first question I'll try to ask him. And the second question, and he wrote, and I can't even say it nearly as good as he wrote it, but he wrote, yeah.

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That's exactly how I meant it. I was like, yeah, maybe not the second one. But I love that he did bring it up because I was actually really, truly interested. I'm sorry. He never really made any money in Ice Earth. I'm great that he answered it too because as an outsider looking in, you think Ice Earth at that time, you think, man, they're one of the biggest American metal men. They have to be. They have to be making money. You know what it is.

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I do have some insight and it's that this happens in every major band you'll hear about it if you read enough interviews and stories and it's that okay John kind of owns the property there's no question about that but John also writes the songs and the songwriter gets publishing and the publishing that's where the money is if you're gonna make any money off your songs it's publishing so oh yeah oh yeah so as a matter of example the lopsided paychecks in Metallica for the black album are lopsided believe me you you know

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Whoever, and I think it was probably Kirk and James wrote Enter Sandman. They made way more money that year than the other guys did. I'm surprised that, I mean, you would think Lars would be like, I give a songwriting credit, fuckers, you know, because he's Lars. Does he have a credit on that one? I wonder. I don't know. I'd have to go look. I mean, I would have thought it was more of a Lennon-McCartney kind of thing with like Hetfield already. But, you know, but yeah, I mean, Kirk's got to get some piece of that action, you know, for his lead work and stuff.

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because they don't consider it part of the songwriting, which, hello, it drives the song. I should think if you wrote your drum part, you ought to get a songwriting credit. We've agreed in our band that if we ever get to publishing, we're just going to put all three of our names in the publishing. That's the cool thing to do, and that helps ease any tensions in that regard, because a lot of bands do that. There's the songwriter who gets the publishing. Everybody else is basically just hired guns. Yeah, kind of. I mean, they get paid for their performance.

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and they all split the tour money and the t-shirt money and all that shit. But, you know, actually, you'd be pleased to know that Michael Ockerfeld is, I don't know how famous he is for it, but he splits the publishing money with the guys in the band so they can all make a living. That's why Opeth is the greatest band ever. You know what? I'm going to get a little notebook. And every time you say the Opeth is, and I mean over the months, because I intend to do this with you guys.

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episodes. That's going to be awesome, man. And pay attention to how many times he's seen the band. You know, can I also say this? Even though we sung your praises at the start, I'm going to sing it again. The reason why I like having you on this podcast now, joining us again, and hopefully for going forward, you add that insight from the band perspective that George and I can never, George is a YouTube star, but I have no experience playing, doing shows.

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Oh, no, I don't know anything about the music business. Yeah. I do. No, no, no, no. You know what we're saying from the artist's point of view. Yes. So Jay adds that that we don't know. So that's why this interview, I'm glad that, you know, he really liked it. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm not going to do this now, but I do want to, I'm making a mental bookmark here that eventually I would very much like to talk about George's YouTube music. Yeah, you can't answer some of it. You know, I told you about those two episodes, didn't I?

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Retrospective Episodes.

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No, no.

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Yeah, there's two episodes.

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It's between like 9 and 10 or 10 and 11.

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If you go back, it's called The George Retrospective Part 1 and Part 2.

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And I talk about a bunch of this stuff.

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I play a bunch of really bad music.

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I mean, really bad.

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The stuff I sent you the other day, that was me picking up the stuff that was, you know, maybe not as horrible.

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But, Jay, this is bad.

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Yeah.

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See?

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See?

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See?

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He's not even going to sugarcoat it.

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He's like a brother to me, but it's bad. But, you know, I start at the beginning with the earliest recordings that are obviously, I'm like, yeah, this is bad because this is out of key or this is just bad because it's bad. And I work my way through the various demos that I did. And then towards the end, you know, I've got some stuff with some of these other guys singing and it's a little better. George went industrial for a period of time. Hey, man, late 90s.

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That's what you did, man. You know, ministry, Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM. What he sent me, too, and I liked what he sent me. But I just love that you jumped in there, Buke, and they acted as his second there, which was, no, no, no, Jay, just trust me. This is Buke talking. It is bad. It is horrible. I'll be the first to admit it. Hey, I've got a lot of really bad skeletons in my closet, and I probably owe you some shares. So I'll send you some stuff that will make you feel a little better.

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Right on.

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All right.

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Well, why don't we get into some news?

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A lot happened this week, didn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, some of this stuff is like a week or two old, but it's all fairly recent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, but I, I felt like I stopped myself.

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There was stuff this morning I wanted to send you and say stuff, which maybe I'll bring

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some of it up.

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But anyway, I didn't look today.

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I looked like last night and made a few updates, but nothing today.

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Oh, I've got one that ruins, ruins my top three, but, um, or maybe makes my top three.

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better. We'll see.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, the first item, Warbringer, who, of course, recently said that they are continuing,

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which is great news.

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They've the latest band to be dropped from a show at a Disney property.

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Like Machine Head.

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Yes.

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If you remember a year or two ago, Machine Head, there was a big deal because they got dropped from a show.

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I think it was like a House of Blues or something.

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Yeah.

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And now Warbringer, who, what, Warbringer, the name is, it's not obscene or anything like that.

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I really don't understand why they would get dropped. It's so weird. And also, by the way, I don't know if Disney owns all of them, but it is House of Blues. You're right about that. That's where they got dropped from. I don't know if Disney owns all the House of Blues. Maybe they do. But it's like that one in Anaheim that they keep dropping people out of. Yeah. What the fuck, dude? I don't know. That's pretty messed up. And we met the guys from Warbringer. Yeah, John Keeble.

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Yes, he is. Nothing about them is evil or inciting violence or anything. No, they're just good guys. They're just good guys. Walt was a Nazi man, you know what I mean? Well, honestly, it's almost like you want to get dropped by Disney because, okay, you miss one show, but all the press that you get about it is free publicity. Agreed. Yeah, that would be cool. So just be like, fuck you, go ahead and drop us. We'll just put it in the news and that's free publicity. And Jay, if you've never checked them out, Warbringer, is that?

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Classic, Classic, Thresh. These guys are awesome. Give them a listen. They're one of our favorites. I do know them. I don't have their whole discography or anything like that, but I do know them. I haven't been writing interviews about them, so I don't know what they're like or anything like that as guys, but I take your word out. The lead singer is a diehard video game player, and before the show, John, the hours leading up to the show, sat there and played StarCraft for a couple hours. Oh, awesome, dude. Did they live near you? No, no, no. They were on tour.

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Yeah, they were on tour. They came through town. Yeah, we've got an interview, a video interview with John up on YouTube. I can send you the link. Please do. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, that's a cool band. Yeah, that's weird. Disney makes the weirdest decisions in general. I mean... It's funny because I'm actually going there next weekend. I'll be there in a month. Yeah. Next weekend I'll be in Orlando. That's where our next news event actually takes place. Apparently Vital Remains played a show at The Haven in Orlando. Did you guys see the video for this? No.

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I just read this story and saw what happened. So Vital Remains, you know, they're a big, like, satanic death metal band. You know, Glenn Benton from Deicide fronted the band for a little while. So it's like akin to Deicide. They were playing at a show at a place called The Haven, and this lady that owns The Haven is a person of religious persuasion, and she had a Jesus on the cross. A crucifix. A crucifix. On the stage. Hanging over the stage.

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And the singer for Vital Remains just happened to notice this. And pulled it down off of the rafter that it was hanging on. And he's like, hey, you know, I'm not going to have this up here while we're singing songs about Satan. And the crowd ate it up and loved it. But the lady who owns the club started yelling and she climbed up on stage and she's like, give me that back, put that back. And he's like, look, you can take it, you can put it away. And we're not going to break it. We're not going to break it. You can have it back. It's fine.

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you can put it back up later but we're not having this up here while we're singing songs about satan wow and he was like you know he was i mean relatively decent about it i mean but then she started like you know she got up on stage and was yelling at him and staying stuff and so he he's like all right and they they and the crowd started chanting like fuck jesus fuck jesus or something like that i i'd have to watch it again it was definitely blasphemous yeah that gets the point across and yeah it was just you know like the drums are going

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Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and everything playing you know like a choppy guitar thing fuck Jesus fuck Jesus I was like okay and like towards the end of the video you can hear somebody in the audience going awkward so that was interesting yeah I gotta look at this that's too much yeah just look up vital remains on YouTube vital remains the haven that's awesome okay very cool that's a cool story

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I'm sorry. It's just metal people are so quick to get into that. You know what I mean? Whatever I know you got, let's smash it. In other ridiculous metal news, apparently Dave Brockie's father is suing GWAR. Yeah, what a dick. What a dick. It sounds like he's a real deadbeat of a dad. When he died, the band were like, you know, hey, here's Dave. And he didn't want anything to do with handling the remains or setting up any sort of viewings or memorials.

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or anything. So it sounds like he didn't really give a shit. Yeah. And then the lawyers came along and he's like, I want money. Yep. And so it's just, it's unfortunate. You know, why you got to do this kind of shit? It's money. That's why it's unfortunate when anybody dies and it becomes a money issue. Yeah. Grandparents, parents. It's a shame. Whenever you hear stories like this, it's just such a shame that the fucking fight over money and stuff like this. And Gwar, despite what you might think of them, they issued a pretty classy response.

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And they were like, you know, we don't know why he's doing this. Our lawyers made stuff available. Everything that he's asking for in terms of like personal items and ashes and things like that, they've all been available through our lawyers for weeks, which he hasn't bothered to do anything about. And in terms of like missing royalties and things like that, we've got all the paperwork documented, all the I's are dotted, the T's are crossed. You can, you know, all that information is available from our lawyers.

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You know, the thing I loved at the end of that, I read this statement, and the thing I loved, and I thought this was so classy and such an also kind of cool fuck you to the guy, which was, if the money, there was some sort of fund set up, and I didn't catch where it was. Oh, right, yeah, it was a fund for a statue of Dave. Is that what it was? Yeah, a statue of Dave at the cemetery where, like, I guess some of the remains of the ashes are? Right, yeah, and if he, if they, if they,

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they said was if this does become contested or remains contested, we're just giving the fucking money back. And I think that was a great answer to this whole thing. They're like, yeah, this money isn't for you. This is for Dave. And if it's not going to be used for that, then it's going back to the people that gave it. Yeah. If you're going to contest it, then it's not even going to exist anymore. And I just thought that was cool. Because I think you guys might know better than me because you maybe know more about the Richmond scene, but I'm under the impression like a bunch of the guard guys live together. Yeah. Like I think they have like a compound.

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of sorts. It might just be a house, but I mean... Yeah. So I think they're a tight unit, you know? Yeah, definitely. That's what happens when you're a bunch of close guys like Guar are. Guar was never that huge band, but they seemed like they were always working on stuff in the background, different costumes, sets, stuff like that. I think they make a living, too, honestly. I think they honestly do, too, because Guar is one of those bands, we said this around the Guarbecue episode, that fans who aren't even metalheads had heard of it.

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to their show.

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I would always go check it out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they,

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and they,

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and they filled the place,

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you know?

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And I,

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I,

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yeah,

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I think they did pretty,

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pretty well.

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And,

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and they,

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they made one mention to how David had paid in advance for a tour.

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That was some of the money that was in question.

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The Australian tour.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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it was in Australia.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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how sad.

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I don't know what to say about stuff like that.

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I mean,

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I,

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I've seen that happen in the least likely of families,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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Like families who seem to get along really well and that kind of thing.

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I was really sorry to hear that and his dad must be a real prick must be yeah there you go so this next news item was sent to me by Jay you want to tackle this one speak about another prick how dare you sir wait are you talking about me no this next guy looking at our news this guy from what I've heard he's a prick he is and and and and I know you were talking about him he's a he's a famous prick but I'll tell you something else the talent in this little this man's little finger is so large he's one

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of the people I forgive for being a prick. And it's Richie Blackmore. And there's a rumor, well actually by way of Joel and Turner himself who says that Richie's going to come back and do some rock and roll stuff. So I was excited about this just because Richie hasn't done anything but the Blackmore's night stuff. At Renaissance festivals and stuff. Yeah, but he doesn't do anything with his Stratocaster, you know what I mean? And to me he's such an interesting and great guitarist. So I would love to see that happen.

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You know what I want to see? I'm sorry to interrupt you, Jay. I want to see Rainbow back again. I want to see fucking Rainbow again. Well, that's what this would be. Joel and Turner was in Rainbow. That's what I want to see. I want to see Purple, man. I want to see him with Ian Gillen. Me too. Me too. I mean, if it was going to be Rainbow, it needs to be Dio. And that's not happening. Let's dig him up. All we need is a Ouija board and a microphone, man. We're good. You find a way.

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I was just glad this is the first time in a while I've heard somebody who seems to know say Richie's thinking about plugging his amplifier in again and that's cool because the Black Morris Night stuff is all fine and well but Richie's a great lead guitarist he's totally a heavy rock guy he always used the term heavy rock and I like heavy music I would love to see him come back and do some more stuff because I find him a terribly interesting guitar player and entertaining and I agree with you deeper

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Him with Deep Purple and Ian Gillen, Richie Blackmore, Rainbow with Ryan James Dillon, Richie Blackmore. You got yourself an afternoon right there, man. Last time they all split up and came back together for a reunion, we got Perfect Strangers. I got to fix it wrong. And that was that when we did our best covers in the last episode, I misspoke and said Bruce was singing on Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath at Bruce Dickinson. Yeah. And I was able to write that offline by sending it to you, but what I was talking about was Bruce singing on the Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath at Bruce Dickinson. Yeah.

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singing Perfect Strangers with Dream Theater. And that was awesome. Right. I mean, it's just so good. But anyway, yeah, that's a great record, Perfect Strangers. Yeah. Though if they did get back together again for yet another reunion, no John Lord, so that would be a bummer. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'd forgotten about that. Isn't that funny? I'd totally forgotten John Lord died in the last couple of years. Yep. Yeah, it was a shame. He was one of the guys in rock that really did kind of look like an old man. You know what I mean? He did. He looked more like a college professor by the time he died than he did.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Richie may be coming back.

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Right on.

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This next one you sent me as well.

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You want to talk about that one?

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Well, yeah, In Solitude broke up.

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And if you read their statement, I think it's largely because they couldn't make a living.

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That's the way I read it.

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Yeah.

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And I was sorry to hear it because they're a pretty good band.

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And in particular, I thought their last record was really cool.

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Yeah.

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More of that retro, you know, throwback.

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You know what it reminded me of was the very first Merciful Fate record, which is either called Nuns Have No Fun or A Corpse Without Soul, depending on what pressing you have. Right. And I love that record. I love all the Merciful Fate records. But anyway, that record to me, Sister by Insolitude, is more like Ghost than Ghost actually managed to be, at least on the second record. Anyway, so I'm starting to see these guys go. Yeah. This is one of the bands I saw a lot of press for, but I still never managed to listen to yet.

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Yeah.

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I would see them on the covers of magazines or all over the internet.

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I just never listened to them yet.

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I think you'd think them.

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The first two are a little more metal per se.

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And then the last one is this album called Sister.

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And it's, like I say, it's kind of a ghost meets Blazer Colts meets Merciful Fate, kind of 1981 type deal.

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It's good.

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And it's got a really fucking killer spooky cover.

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I like it.

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I won't mourn them too much, but it seemed like they were stepping onto this cool, interesting path. I'm sorry to see that they're stepping off it. Yeah, definitely. So another one bites the dust. This next item kind of made me laugh a little bit, but at the same time, it shouldn't happen. So apparently after a show in Alberta, Canada, Marilyn Manson was hanging out at a Denny's and he was like, you know, talking with fans, signing autographs, being uncharacteristically nice. I shouldn't say uncharacteristically nice.

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uncharacteristically normal. I can't judge whether he's a nice guy or not because I don't know him personally. But it sounded like he was just being cool with a bunch of fans and some guy came up and punched him in the nose. I only read the headline, but that was it, huh? Just a random stranger came up and ejected him? Yeah, he just walked up in front of him and just punched him in the nose and ran away. And now there was another headline that said that Manson wanted to sue the guy or prosecute him or something. Sure. And I don't know. It's like when you read the first headline, after reading the guts of the

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You can almost feel a little, you know, sorry for for Marilyn Manson that that

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Moons over Miami. He just deserved to get punched in the face. I love Moons over Miami. Shut up.

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Okay, you know what? I'm starting two pieces of paper now. One is every time you bring up Opeth. The other one is you bring over full Moons over Miami.

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I mean, you never shut up about that.

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Yeah, you never shut up about that.

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But can I just say there's at least a shade if I was Manson, there's at least a shade of the whole like dime bag thing in this, you know, that yeah, it's a public persona. You're out there and somebody comes up and does something violent to you that you did not see coming, you know, and so that that's kind of fucked up. Yeah, it's just not cool. You know, so I feel like everybody else and just flame him online.

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That's too bad. I also like to know that he was in a fucking Denny's, by the way. I know. I was thinking that, too. I was like, wow, Marilyn Manson, so human, eats Denny's like the rest of us. We're all super Christ, Danny, Starzy. They should put that in a commercial. You ever seen Manson live? The one time I saw him, it was with George. We saw him twice. Okay. The second time we saw him, was it? That was with Slayer. Yeah. Was that when he looked like he weighed 350 pounds?

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I think the oxygen thing was part of the show I didn't I because he has like all these he was like in a doctor like the penguin but he was looking a little like puffy oh no he gained some weight yeah I think he's lost some of it again I saw that I only saw them once and I saw them on the Hollywood tour and it was actually they actually played on OzFest that tour and it was great they were actually great I was when they were still I think that was the first time we saw them oh it was he had this big

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This may jod your memory. He had a big like this outfit on and during this one song he he went way way way up in the air and the skirt of this outfit went all the way down to the stage. Is it like a spider or something? No, that's a different thing. This one was more like he was like literally on like a cherry picker sort of thing. Yeah, I remember that. That was the Freak Boys show. Yes. That was the Freak Boys show. Yes. What's the Freak Boys? There was this we were we were at this show. It was Ozfest.

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I guess and we were out in the lawn like towards the back of the lawn because it'd been a rough day and we were it was less sparse there to be honest you don't do well at festivals I don't being outside it's just horrible but anyway George I love George he's my concert buddy but festivals starting at like nine or ten by like the main stage time George is like get out of my way I need to rest these feats

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Oh, sure. You know. Oh, no. I get like that, too, to be honest with you. But you've never seen anything more metal than being outside. Whatever you just said about being outside, that was beautiful. Being outside is horrible. The sun burns me. But, uh, Gollum, Gollum. Yeah, you're Gollum. Yeah, you're Gollum. But, uh, anyway, so we're at the back of the lawn, and, you know, the people back there are sparse. Uh,

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Chubby, you know, like 500 straps hanging off of his black baggy pants. Yeah, like super baggy shorts that they're like so long. They're not almost shorts, you know, and he's got his shirt off and I think he had like little dreads and he was like flagellating himself with his hands. He was just like beating himself around the back and chest and face and everything and just like in this like ecstasy like you do. And we were just like, ooh.

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And in that moment, he was having the time of his life. Yeah. And so we just dubbed him Freak Boy. And, you know, we've mentioned him before on here. I promise you that whenever you say Hot Topic Kid, that's what I'll picture from now on. So you don't have to follow up anymore. Just say Hot Topic Kid and I'll be like, hold on. Got it. Yeah. Well, that sounds lovely. You know, was that, did you think that was Ozfest then? Yes, it was. Yeah. That was a cool, that was the first time Sabbath played after the

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Reunion, too. So that was a cool tour. Alright, so the next item has me excited, and I think it does you as well. Hank Sherman and Michael Denner of Merciful Fate are set to release an EP together called Satan's Tomb. Super excited, dude. Super excited. Let me just say, and I haven't really said it yet on this podcast, either of them, that to me, I could make an argument for Merciful Fate, Melissa, and Don't Break the Oath Bean, two of the greatest metal records ever made,

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I've listened to both a thousand times. I can second that. Easy in my top ten. And probably in my top five. And anyway, I think these two are a big part of that. I don't know if you've seen it on YouTube. They've been hanging out together. First of all, Michael Denner, I think it is, owns a record shop in Copenhagen now. People go in there all the time just to buy Merciful Fate records. They've been getting together and they've made these videos online of YouTube of them just sitting in one of their houses playing the old Merciful Fate songs.

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And for the uninitiated is boring. I sat and watched them all from start to finish. Nice. Just to watch them do it again. So I'm totally psyched about this. Well, I don't know if this is going to be an instrumental thing or if they're going to have like somebody singing on it. If they do, I really hope they get a good singer. Because do you remember when King Diamond left and they did Fate? Yeah, I do. And I also didn't even, yeah. Yes, I do. You know, the thing is, did Merciful Fate, after King,

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You know, he went off and did his own stuff. Did Merciful Fate tour in any other capacity at all? Or did they ever try and do anything without him? They did an album called... I don't know. They dropped Merciful and they did an album by just calling themselves Fate. Oh. I don't know if they toured it. Yeah, I don't know. But they do... Hey, they do have a singer, dude. They do? Hmm. Yeah, I want... Let me get... Let me figure out who. I had to go look him up. Oh, shit. And I had to look him up, you know, when I read it. And he's a known dude.

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And he's got a range. He's sort of Rob Halford meets King Diamond. What's his name? His name's Sean Peck. And he sang for a band called Cage and Death Dealer. And I don't know either of them, but you might look them up because the one YouTube video, there's probably a bunch of YouTube videos, but the one I looked at, it was one of those bands, I think it was Death Dealer, playing in front of a rather large crowd on a very nice stage. So whoever these guys are, they're kind of known, at least in Europe. And he's a good singer, so it'll be a thing.

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Yeah, I've heard of both of those bands. Deathdiller more than Cage. But yeah, that'll be interesting. It's like a power metal kind of band. Exactly. Yeah, and he's kind of, I think, kind of their age, too. Yeah, definitely. So we'll see. I have hopes. I mean, you know, this could be a thing. Yeah, all right. Can't wait to hear it. So, you know, it's been an ongoing story that Lemmy's health has been in question. You know, he got real skinny. We were all worried. I saw a news item where Lemmy talks about how he's down to smoking.

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one pack a week. He said he quit for a couple of years, but he started again. Instead of smoking two packs a day, he's smoking one pack a week. Honestly, I don't know what to make of that. Well, first of all, it's bullshit, I think. Any smoker who tells you they smoke one pack a week is smoking every time you're not looking at them. But I did notice, this is a weird thing for me to notice. I'm an ex-smoker, by the way. I did notice, I bought their Stage Fright DVD.

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He actually wasn't inhaling for the last couple of years. Every time I saw him smoke, he was just puffing on him. So I think he knew and was worried about his health a few years ago. And he smoked him like you smoke a cigar. He wasn't like smoking, you know what I mean? So he'd still get the mouth cancer, but not the lung cancer. Oh yeah, he's golden there, yeah. So I wonder. He also said in that same news item, George, that he was drinking, he'd switched from Jack and Coke to vodka and orange juice, you know. I like his health. He's just like, you know, it's orange juice. It's clear liquor, it's okay.

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It's the opaque brown liquors that are bad for you. I had a roommate like myself was a little on the extra loving side. And this was like 92. It was like a long time ago. And he was all like, got to go to the gym, got to work out because I have another friend who's a powerlifter, bodybuilder, Olympic athlete. And they were friends. And so he would get all psyched up to go to the gym, but he liked to drink. And so he would only drink clear liquor. He didn't really like beer.

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a liquor person. He'd only drink clear liquor because it burned off and it didn't make you fat like dark liquor. I don't know where he read that. And the fact that after a whole bunch of vodka, he would then go and eat three pizzas, that didn't help his case either. But, you know, I'm not one to talk. Well, you know, Lemmy's not looking great. And I think his weight loss is health-related. I don't think it's because he's treating himself right. I think it's because he's an old

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I saw a video of him recently at Dave Grohl's Birthday Bash or some bullshit like that. And he wasn't even playing bass. He came up to sing a song and he wasn't playing bass. And I read something into that. I just did. I just thought he's having trouble. I don't think Lemmy can even stand up for long periods of time now. When you get to that kind of shape. He's in his 70s, right? I think he's 70. Yeah, right at the number, I think. So fingers crossed.

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He's given us so much good music. That phone call is going to come. That just reminded me of what we haven't done lately. We haven't done Convincing Buke. I was thinking about that because we did a Convincing Buke with Motorhead and he did not get convinced. He doesn't like Motorhead. Can you believe that? I can believe it actually. I'm going to give him an easy out on this but I think we can convince him. Jay's had a nice run on the podcast. He didn't back me up. We have a segment.

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I think it's a convincing puke where George will select three songs from a band that I either don't like or I have never heard before in a genre like black metal that I might not like so much to try and convince me that it's actually good. Let's do it right now because I even got the first pick. Do you? Yeah, Orgasmatron, the track Orgasmatron. Well, see, we did the Motorhead one and he wasn't convinced. Did you choose Orgasmatron? I picked three tracks from 1916 because that's... Oh, well, that's okay. Yeah, honestly, if you'd like to pick up the track.

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I thought that was a real like underhand softball lob easy one. I just think Motorhead's boring. Okay, so next time on the Jay and George show. I love Motorhead, dude. I love him. And I bet you anything, and please do jump right in and tell me if I'm wrong, but was your first Motorhead album or guess what you're on, George? Well, technically it was the first one I bought. No, I take that back. It was the first one I liked. My first Motorhead,

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was a cassette. I think I bought it like that. We were talking the other day how my first Venom was the cassette of I'm Klein knocked music. Yeah, and it was like in the bargain bin and I almost think it was the same day. I also picked up Motorhead on parole. Oh, that's rough. And it was like, that's a live album, isn't it? Oh, I think it's like an early demo album thing or something. It was like a thing they did. I can't remember if it's live or not, but I know it's like it's pre-Motorhead, Motorhead, really. And it was really awful. And I was like, yeah,

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I don't know what Motorhead's about. But then I was like, well, maybe that wasn't good. Let me get their latest album. That was Orgasmatron. Which, well, the reason I guessed that was because that was my first, and it was my first because if you remember, they kind of were non-functional for a short period when the two, you know, when Eddie left and all that kind of thing. And then all of a sudden he got signed to, it was one of the more metal labels, Orgasmatron came out. So it was like one of the ones that, if you were our age, like somewhere between 12 and

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15, you didn't necessarily know early Motorhead because they weren't in the news for a while. And then Orgasmotron came out. And I got it and I was like totally way into it. And then I don't have every Motorhead record, but I have most of them. And then Rock and Roll is after that, I think. Yeah, that's a good record too. I like that one. Yeah, me too. And I thought their last really, really good one though was Inferno. That's fucking killer. Yeah, good stuff. That would be a good convincing Duke record though. I'll see you guys later. Well, maybe we'll get my keys in my hand. You guys just run with it now. Well, maybe Jake can do it

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I don't know I mean I would say orgasmatron the song orgasmatron I can't

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deny that is a great song just a man this is just it's just boring and I don't know I'm such an open-minded guy I

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always give people like you a pass on that because you know what they are kind of boring they're like I

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mean it's verse chorus verse every time and everything four four time old rock and roll kind of a you know

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that goes like A, E, A, like the key of A, E, A. But I mean, I love them. I love them. I don't know. It either does it for you or it doesn't, you know. They're kind of the precursor to Venom, really, you know. Yeah. And so, well, that is disappointing. You might try out Another Perfect Day. That also might be a weird gateway record. That was the one where the guy from Thin Lizzy was with them, and it's a different record than their other stuff. But, oh, interesting. But I think I run into a lot of metalheads who aren't motorhead fans. Always strikes me surprising that I see the motorhead,

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logo on shirts and stuff like that. What is it that makes it so accessible? This kind of bugs me because a lot of people that probably don't know Motorhead from their ass wear the Motorhead logo. It's a cool logo. It's like the Ramones logo. Yes. It's like people wear it just because it's kind of cool. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people that are not particularly metal that are in the music world and you'll see them wearing a Motorhead shirt.

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Or likewise, in just the verbal sense, they will always be quick to be like, yeah, Lemmy's a badass motherfucker. Yeah, that does kind of get on your nerves. It gets on my nerves because it's sort of like, you know, I went through my angry puberty with these things and I had to sit in my bedroom all alone. Don't fuck with my shit, man. You know what I mean? Come on, name any song other than Ace of Spades. Do it. Come on. Exactly. So, yeah, well, Lem, we'll see how long that lasts. Yeah. He's,

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One of the few godfathers of Mendel, huh? He's pretty much the godfather. D.O. Wint? Yeah, but I mean, he's pre-D.O. Yeah, like just for sheer punishing, fast, heavy, you know, like, you know, I mean, keep in mind, too, that's the other thing about Waterhead Buke is that, like, if you were living in England and, you know, whenever, like, Overkill came out, there was nothing else like that, you know what I mean? Or America for that, you know, purpose. But, I mean, they just

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It was sort of like the difference between Iron Maiden and Venom and the difference between Judas Priest and Motorhead. One of those is just a little more dangerous than the other one. And so the real heavy metalheads would be like, fuck, this is my shit right here. But I can also see how retroactively it kind of might not work. If you've already heard Behemoth, what the fuck are you going to do? Right. It's a party it's hard to come late to. Indeed. So the next item we've got, Twisted Sister has tapped

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Mike Portnoy as the drum replacement for AJ Paro on their final Twisted Sister tour. I didn't realize, I don't know if the final tour is because AJ died or if they were already planning this and he just sort of spoiled the party. I got the impression it was the latter. I mean, no, the, yeah, the former. That was already planned? No, no, no. I think it was because he died. That was the impression I got. I don't know how true it is. But I would also point out they haven't really done any fucking tours.

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anyway, so it's better to actually have some dates on it. They just go over and play festivals. They're not, you know, get yourself a fucking van and go across the states, dude. I wouldn't mind seeing them. Yeah, I saw them. I took my wife to see them. That was probably 10 years ago. Yeah, well, they do East Coast stuff, so you've probably had a couple chances. Yeah, I saw one. It was a Twisted Sister. Actually, it wasn't Twisted Sister. It was the name they were going under when they weren't officially Twisted Sister.

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It was, uh, what's that? Ben brother. Ben brother. Yes, that's what it was. And they did, uh, like a Christmas show at, uh, Jackson, Virginia here. And, uh, I really wanted to go to it. What's that? Is that a cool place? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not. It is a fucking dump. The sound sounds like you're sitting in the fucking subwoofer itself. It is horrific. The only saving grace is sometimes you get a hot bartender. It's kind of famous. You know,

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I'm like I even out here at the east the west coast that I should know the name of that place is kind of weird it's pretty weird well see the I'm kind of torn on the place I agree with Buke there is a lot wrong with the place and they go by the never open on fucking time the sound is horrible you can't it's a it's nice because as a metal fan it's our really only venue yes they bring in a lot of good bands that we would not normally see otherwise so you kind of gotta like pick and choose and and

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I've complained to no end about the fact that I went to see Blind Guardian and stood out in cold January weather for an extra two hours past door time. Yeah, not cool. You know, there's a lot to complain about, but at the same time, you don't want to complain too much because it is really the biggest and best place for us to get metal in this area. There you go. Yeah, well, and I think that's why I know about it, because I think a lot of bands that maybe start on the East Coast start there, and just countless times on Blabbermouth,

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or whatever it'll be. Maybe not so much now, but I used to see a lot of videos. It'd be like such and such band live at Jack's, you know, and it would just be a news item about them opening their tour or something. But yeah, I totally know the name of that place. I mean, I've heard it many times. You guys talked to Barlow about it, I think, didn't you? Yeah, we did. It goes by Empire now because it got bought out and they changed the name of the place, but because we know it from back in the day, we still call it Jack's. Gotcha. What the hell were we talking about?

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Speaking about AJ, going back to him, D came out and pretty much blasted his friend. You know, saying he knew he had heart disease, ran in the family, went untreated, didn't do anything to, and you know, so much in modern medicine now, early detection, early prevention is key. Said the hypochondriac. But you have to admit, I go to the doctor fucking extensively. You will definitely live longer than me.

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So AJ here, he didn't have anything even set up for his children, his wife. There's another legal battle. Yeah, he didn't have anything like that. And it's just, my line of work, I'm different. I have all these things set up. I have life insurance. I have all these things established. You know, a lot of people don't. AJ, you know, knew about this stuff and didn't have anything set up. So, you know, I hope it doesn't turn into a legal battle like it sounds like it already is going to be. Yeah.

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There's a crowdfunding thing going on for his daughter. I think she even is the one who set it up. And it's like for $20,000, they're trying to just be able to pay their bills for a few months while they kind of sort it out. Because I guess the woman he left behind, too, and I couldn't understand if it was his ex-girlfriend or what, but she has health issues and hasn't been able to work. I don't know. But you know what? I think that whole thing was slightly out of context. I think it was Dee's way of saying, you know, if you leave your friends just because you, you know, didn't,

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didn't do some of those things you could have done.

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You know, there's an asshole portion to that.

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And I, but you know what I mean?

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It'd be like if your buddy killed himself, it's not like you're blasting them,

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but you're just like, what a prick.

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Yeah.

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It's like, it's like, you know, it's just, you just said it.

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It's like, if you knew I was allergic to bees and we're going out, you know, saying, Hey, you know, I had a close call last time I got stung.

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You know, we had to rush me to the hospital, but this time it's like, you, you didn't carry your EpiPen.

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and you're a new father now

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and you got stung again and you died.

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It's like, come on, dude.

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You fucking knew about this.

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And I think, too, there's a little bit of love there, too,

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which is sort of like, now we've got to live without you, motherfucker.

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Yeah.

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Frustration.

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Where D was coming from, I think.

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Yeah, he's definitely not attacking his friend.

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Yeah.

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It's almost like, oh, come on, man.

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Take care of yourself, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think D's kind of a health nut, too,

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because I think he loves whites and stuff.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, because he's kind of fan and looks good, you know. Well, we're not going to take it anymore, huh? That was very topical, nicely done, sir. Moving on. I think we'll all be excited about the fact that Gojira is in the studio working on their sixth album due late 2015. For sure. Yeah, definitely likes the Gojira man. Good stuff. Yeah, I can't wait to hear that. I still don't have any of them on vinyl. No? Nope. You know what? I don't either.

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I have at least one of them, maybe two of them. I know I've gotten long, long, long, whatever, the Frenchie one. And I think I have The Way of All Flesh on vinyl as well. Well, I've seen them twice, and they were great. I've seen them three times, actually. But I saw them at a place here called Slims, which is, that's like where you want to see a band. It's one of the places you want to see a band here. It's like bigger than, you know, the Slims.

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They were insanely good. It was on the Way of All Flesh tour. They just came out and killed themselves. It was awesome. The next time I saw them, they were opening for Mastodon. It lacked that intimate thing. They were so great. Have you guys seen them? Nope. We've missed them, buddy. They were punishing. I think their first tour in America was with Machine Head on the Black Neat. That would have been badass to see. Definitely.

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I didn't get to see that. Oh, I just picked up the blackening, by the way, double vinyl collector's issue, blah, blah, blah thing. Is that new? Well, actually, that's a fair question. It was a shrink-wrapped copy, but I don't know how recently. Okay, I still don't have it on vinyl. I found it at a record store here, and I was like, yoink, you know. I walked in my record store the other day, and I saw a used copy for five bucks of Death Angel of the Ultraviolence, made by fucking Day.

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That's awesome, dude. Yeah, made my day. I went and looked up your record store, by the way, this foreign exchange thing or whatever. What's the name of it? Something exchange? Record Exchange. Fuck, dude. They have a lot of cool metal pictures on their website. Their Facebook. Yeah, their Facebook. I think you told me about it. You say you guys go up there every once in a while? Yep. We also go up to the Sound Garden. Yep. Yeah, well, I mean, they had all these great pictures of, like, these old metal comps and stuff and just looked like a cool shop. Oh, Vienna. That's what he's talking about, George.

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Vienno. Yep. That guy's been in the scene for forever. Yeah. Nice looking little shop, man. Oh, yeah. It's all metal. Exclusively metal. Oh, really? No. No, it's not. How isn't it? Vienna? Yes. He has some junk. He has, like, half the shop is, like, rock and pop. It's decked out in metal stuff, but there is a section. There's, like, a whole wall that is just, like, regular rock and pop stuff. It's a metal store, Jay. It's a metal store.

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for metal. Yes. And a little Britney Spears once in a while. But, you know, everybody's got that problem. Oh, well, hello. I mean, dude. Do you find stuff you like there? Do you usually come away with a few things? In the early days, we sort of cleaned out all the good stuff. George is the destroyer of record shops. George will go in and... I'm like a locust. George is on a wasted earth policy for stuff, you know? Scorched Earth? Yeah, Scorched Earth. George goes in and fucking lays waste.

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Backup. George, that's your fucking metal name. Scorched Earth. Yes! Scorched Earth. I like it. I like it. Well, digression, digression. Gordira, I'm up for it, man. Cool. I'm glad to hear they make the record. Love those guys. So, apparently fans have been speculating on the internet that the new Slayer album might have a little piece of Jeff Hanneman on there somewhere, and Kerry King came out and stomped on everybody's hopes and dreams and said there will be no Jeff Hanneman on the new Slayer record. Yeah, I must have not

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I read the article with the rumors because I took it as fact. I was like, oh, that's cool. They got a track that he recorded and that he was on and stuff, and I thought it was going to happen. So I was kind of sorry to hear that. I mean, I'm not blown away by the new Slayer records anyway. Yeah. But that was kind of an emotional thing, obviously, Jeff Dining and stuff. So yeah, that's too bad. That's too bad. I wonder if stuff does exist, though, and they, you know, maybe post Humus Lee for the band, they can maybe put some stuff out. That's too bad. Maybe. It's buried under loads of vodka and beer still that they have to go through and find.

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I mean, I'm no doubt dude. I mean, Gary's lucky he's not in the same shape. I got to tell you, they were called the drunk brothers. Yeah. I apparently I forget. You've heard stories. We go out. Apparently these guys, you know, like Jeff would wake up every day and just start pounding vodka. Wow. No, I didn't know. Oh yeah. Yeah. I read it online that they would just wake up and just, you know, just start drinking straight vodka and Heineken's. And that's crazy. That's like somebody getting up, waking up, hitting the car, coming over, getting in front of a microphone and just drinking beer all day. I don't get it.

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I just don't understand how people do that wow shine that light on yourself my friend yeah that's well okay I'm just I'm I don't know if I'm even disappointed but that's it's nice to know the truth of the matter I guess that's too bad I'm actually kind of here excited to hear what they sound like Gary Holt to be honest with you yeah yeah I'm curious then I put a little ride in their stride I mean he I like Gary Holt and I like Exodus and I he's kind of like one of those metal guys

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He's out there keeping the faith all these years. So we'll see what that's like. Yeah. It was interesting, too. He had to skip an Exodus tour recently to do a Slayer tour. Wow. Yeah. That pays more, I'm sure. That's what I was thinking, too. Bigger paycheck. So Iron Maiden has, I assume it's Iron Maiden that did it, but the Iron Maiden catalog has been remastered for iTunes. This makes me sad. Well, I was interested to hear your take on it, George, because, and you too, Buke, I don't know if you've

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I haven't. I have to be honest with you. I saw that coming out. Every time they ever said mastered for iTunes, it was something I already had. I was just like, I'm not going to try that. I take it you've got some experience with it or what? Well, iTunes, the best sound quality you're getting out of iTunes is 256K. Yeah, no matter what. If it's mastered for iTunes, that means, well, the full recordings just don't sound good at our crappy 256K, so we're going to remaster

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to try and make it sound a little better. Now, how about you just get a lossless format or some sort of high definition, not this remastered for iTunes bullshit? I think it's just another money grab opportunity. Yeah. Because it starts getting to that point where the people buying it, I don't think they can even tell the damn difference. Not with those. Yeah. I saw some people on Facebook the other day bitching about Tidal, the new lossless streaming app. They were bitching.

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about it too. What's that? There was an article too that was kind of negative about it. Yeah, I think actually people were commenting on that. And I read the article. They were like, first of all, they were like, oh, it's just a bunch of rich musicians trying to charge twice as much for music. And oh, it's all just stupid music. And they were complaining that, oh, I can't hear the sound quality difference. Yeah, okay. Stop listening on your Apple earbuds or your laptop speed.

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you know obviously you're not going to be able to tell the difference yeah

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there's plenty of good metal on there because these were metal people right well you guys put these

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there right I did I do and I love it you know I think it's great it sounds so much better if you're listening on the right medium yeah if you're listening to beats headphones or Apple top speakers laptop speakers Apple earbuds no you're not going to hear the difference because those things can't tell the difference because they're not set up for high definition audio yeah yeah

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So I refrained from joining the conversation because the person that I'm Facebook friends with that had instigated it is not somebody that I'm terribly close with. In fact, it's the singer of a band. Oh, right on. So I didn't want to be like, you're a bunch of fucking fools. But I wanted to. I really did.

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Well, yeah, I think you could probably hit it on the nose. It's kind of a money grab thing. I wanted to ask you, too, George. You made reference previously to paying a certain amount.

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You were like you would buy in flack it's more expensive like where do you buy flack? There's some sites. Bandcamp? Well that's where Bandcamp is the place to do it because it doesn't cost any more than a regular album. Okay okay. When you buy an album on Bandcamp you can you have the choice of downloading it as mp3 or as wave I think and as flack. But there's sites like there's a site called hdtracks.com and first of all their metal selection sucks. But you know to get an album in flack it could be like

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to $24. Gotcha. There's also the Neil Young Pwn Player site. I haven't looked at it extensively, but they're also really expensive as well. So I try to get my high-definition files from A, ripping my CDs myself, or through Bandcamp, because it's just more economical. Have I ripped vinyl? I have the capability to do so. I have not yet, because back in the day, in the 80s, maybe you had one of these. I had a dual

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I don't do it.

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I think like this I made like these iTunes rig remastered for iTunes. It's almost I look at this like it's the various forms of Star Wars that have come out. I feel the same about the new digital Star Wars. This week we got a digital release for iTunes, a digital Star Wars release remastered for digital. That's a great analogy. Please, that's exactly like this Iron Maiden thing because it's like you're remastering it to remaster it.

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to have a reason to buy it again. Yep. You know, personally, I went back and Iron Maiden over the summer was releasing their albums from their original recordings. They sound great. They don't need that. I like stuff preserved from when it was recorded the first time. Yeah. I bought those two. Yeah, they sound great. Yep. Yeah. I wish I had bought the little box that option they had. It's just like me being a big video game guy. It's just whenever they release a video game with new downloadable content,

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I think it's their attempt again just to always keep the product out there to always stay relevant game of the year edition yeah to always get that that name out there again yeah you just crack the code you you think you're buying something more than you actually are yeah yeah well one thing from Iron Maiden that I will possibly pay some money for is their new Iron Maiden headphones I haven't heard any of the details yet but I did see a news item said that they will be releasing Iron Maiden headphones I'm a sucker for that kind of

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of thing because Buk and I were wearing the Motorhead headphones right now. Oh, really? Yeah. I love them. They sound great, I think. They're over the ear. I think I'd heard of them. I think they mentioned them on that metal show once. I think they gave some away during the trunk. I think so. They sound great. Yeah, the Motorizer. Awesome, dude. Okay. And obviously they say Motorhead on them somewhere or something. Yeah, it's got the little war pig on the side. Oh, cool. So, I don't know. We'll see. Maybe the Iron Maiden,

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I don't think they look good in

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I don't look good in anything.

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But it's just because he looks so good out of everything.

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You know?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Birthday suit is the best.

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It's hard to improve on perfection.

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That's why I make George do this podcast naked.

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Because I'm like, George, that shirt is below you.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Well, it doesn't work for me either, actually, because, you know, I'm losing my hair.

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I don't really dress like a metal guy that much. I mean, I have metal t-shirts and I wear those, but I look like those guys at the concerts that I used to look sideways at, which you guys probably do too now. You look like, to be honest, you look like the guy at the concert who's his son or daughter somewhere in the crowd. I don't know when I became that guy, but I did. Last night I looked at, there was a very violent mosh pit right in front of me at last night's show, and I was really grateful for the security guards who were protecting us.

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He's pushing away an Ebola patient. Get off of me! Get your sweat away from me! I kid you not, I was sort of like, somebody should put a stop to this! In my head, you know. Will anybody rescue me, please? Like, this is the thing, I forgot, and I even took part in this thing once upon a time. Yeah, we did our time in the pit, we don't have to do it anymore. Get off my lawn! I paid the money to see this! Yes, the famous story we told earlier on,

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Another episode, George and I went to a show a couple months back. King Diamond. And George was like, pouty, like, he's blocking my view. Oh, dude. Yeah, well, he was tall and just not right. That's all I'm saying. He's just... There was one entertaining thing at last night's mosh pit, though, which was there was this guy who was a tree of a guy in front of us. And we were, like, right on the edge of the pit. And I mean, he was massive, this guy. And whenever somebody bumped into him,

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He flicked them off like a fly. It was something to see, man. Because he wasn't moshing. He was just like... But he stood there so nonchalantly. And it was a pretty violent pit. But boy, it was really cool. Me and our drummer were both just laughing our ass off. Every time somebody ran into this guy, they ended up on the other side of the pit pretty quick. So yeah, man. We must talk someday in detail about the old men at the metal show kind of thing. Yeah. Times they haven't changed. Indeed.

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So Children of Bodum are recording their ninth album due out later this year. Wow. Looking forward to that. They're pretty prolific. They are. I can't say I am. You're not looking forward to it? Yeah, even though my gamer tag and stuff is Opeth Bodum for every gamer out there. I can't get off the fucking Opeth train. How many is that, Jay? I stopped keeping my little hash marks too. I tell you, ever since Hate Crew Death Roll, George, they haven't sounded

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I can't put my finger on it well it's because the guitar player left after hate crew death roll I can't say it either after hate crew death roll the lead guitar player left and they got somebody else and the first couple albums after that very different and I have to agree a hate crew death roll is my favorite Bodom album but they've slowly been making their way back to you know halo of blood was really good and the one before that relentless reckless forever that was pretty good too I'll get you with the balls man I know my

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I think Hate Crew Death Row was probably their highest selling record too. The lead guitar work on that is just phenomenal. But that Alexi guy, he's kind of a hot shot too. He is, he is. But the melodic guitar leads with the ferocious vocals that they had on that album and the keyboards, it's just, there's nothing like it. Yeah. I think they do really well in Europe too, by the way. I think those guys do make a living. I think that's one of those bands that makes a pretty good living. I hope so. Yeah.

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What label are they on? They were on Central Media for a while, right? Nuclear Blast? I think it's Nuclear Blast, yeah. By the way, I saw something kind of cool last night. I meant to tell you two about this. At the festival, Orchid played, as you know, and Orchid was a Nuclear Blast fan. But Nuclear Blast had a table, and they had people there working the table just selling Nuclear Blast shit. It was kind of cool. That's pretty sweet. Were they selling vinyl? Yeah, they had vinyl. They had t-shirts. They didn't have any vinyl. I didn't have. But I thought of you, George.

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because they had this package of Bloodstone and Diamonds. That's the name of that machine, right? Yep. It wasn't a vinyl box, but it was a box. It looked really nice, the box, but when I looked closer, it was a T-shirt and the CD. I can't remember. It was a large T-shirt. I don't remember a couple of the little trinkets, but it was just a beautiful box. Anyway, that was cool. I'd like to see that more, a record label actually representing themselves and selling merchandise at a show. That would be cool. That was super cool.

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I didn't buy any, like I said, I didn't have any vinyl. I didn't have, but I did buy two vinyls. Oh, I mentioned that. Yeah, so that's kind of cool. I'd like to see that more often. Of course, this was a festival, so maybe that had something to do with it. I'm hoping that Death Fest when we go, and I should mention that Buke is now going with me, so that is going to be an ordeal. I'm so happy that he is, though, dude. I think that's awesome. Yeah, I was going to go by myself and be the mopey guy kicking a can and being like, where's my buddy? But, you know, now I'm happy.

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You know there's gonna be vinyl there

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That's awesome, dude. I should be problematic cuz I'll be loaded down with stuff and be like

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Uh, I have to hold this for 12 hours. They have to let you take it to the car like they did a barbecue

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Remember the first couple hours? You can walk out to your car and drop the stuff off cuz we both bought vinyl

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Yeah, except our cars not gonna be anywhere near where we are

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How many people attend this thing? How big is it? I don't know spread out over three venues

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I've heard a couple thousand people at it. It's a worldwide concert that people travel in for. I know about it all too well. It's on all the mental news sites. I've known about it for years. We'll talk about it more later, but if you happen to be going to the Death Fest, look us up. We'll be around. We'll give you details closer to the show, but if you're a listener and you're going to Death Fest, you should hook up with us at some point. We'll have a beer, have a chat, whatever. I'd like a crack at that vendor's village. That sounds awesome, dude.

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Like, other than Trypticon, that's probably my most anticipated thing. I think, yeah. Yeah, y'all come home with something cool, I guarantee it. Yeah. So there was a news item this past week, unfortunately, about two metal bands that were in a van crash, and three of the members between two bands were killed, unfortunately. The bands were called Chaotica, with a K, and Wormrike. I never heard of these bands prior today, so they're obviously pretty small bands, but that's unfortunate.

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Yeah, apparently the driver fell asleep at the wheel. Yeah. I knew that before I even read the story. When I read the headline, I was like, they fell asleep because that's the tour thing for you, man. You know, you get all these guys. They're probably loading and unloading their own equipment. Yep. Playing late at night. They probably got out of wherever they got out of at 1 a.m. or something and they had to drive some unsafe amount of distance. Yeah, I knew it right away. I was like, I know the guy fell asleep. And he wasn't hurt. Yeah, and he wasn't hurt.

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It listed all the people that had died and people that were hurt and he wasn't one of them. Well, then he doesn't have a very pleasant existence ahead of him. I can guarantee you that guy's going to have some shit to work through. Very sad. Very sorry to hear it. Our condolences go out to the metal community around these bands. 100%. We are all brothers, man. That's just too bad. You guys out there doing what they loved and it came to a tragic end. I was very sorry to read that story. Did you, George, even go to look to see if they had any music?

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I have not had a chance yet. I'll go see if they have something up on Bandcamp. Okay, cool. Yeah, and see what they were all about. At least all the more reason that they should have been heard, you know. Exactly. Yeah, sad news. Indeed. So Dave Lombardo shot down another rumor that there was going to be a reactivated Grip Incorporated. Yeah, I saw that. I didn't know that until you sent this to me. Yeah, I didn't hear the rumors either. Yeah, I hadn't even heard the rumors.

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That's true. Are you a fan of grip? No, not really. I gotta be honest with you. Fine then. I love it. Back in the early 90s, they were one of the bands that, during the grunge thing, that helped get me through the get me over the hump, so to speak, because they were still putting out some pretty heavy thrash albums. And of course, the reason that Dave shot it down was because the singer Gus Chambers died a few years back. And he just was like,

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You know, grip is not grip without Gus Chambers on vocals. So no, there will not be a reunion. Well, he I and as some mild explanation, one of the reasons I did, I was kind of mad when Dave left, honestly. And I was just like, that sounds so lame. That's such a bad way to do business. And I mean me. So the fact that I kind of just was so disinterested in everything he was doing, because I was such a huge Slayer fan for such a long time. And I love Lombardo. It's like Martin. It's like Martin Lopez. You know what I mean? Like when he left, I was like, that was a big deal.

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to me.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, so no, I never really followed him around any of his stuff, you know, poor Dave.

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This is the best news story of the week, George.

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Go ahead and say this one.

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This one has me fucking excited.

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This is all you man.

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You, you, you.

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Chris Adler has been confirmed for Megadeth.

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As a guest.

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As a guest.

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For now.

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Yeah.

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Have you seen the subsequent stories saying that, well, Nick Menza was like, you know,

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I got a raw deal and that Marty Friedman was in fact asked to come back but he turned it down. Yeah, I did see that and I am a little disappointed because that is one of the great metal records of all time. Rest in peace. Yeah, so that's too bad, but but but very cool. I like Chris Adler too. So cool on that. I was actually more interested to hear that Nick Menza sounded like they really didn't offer him shit. Yeah, like it sounded like they like we'll give you know, I don't know what they offered him, but it was like a weekly salary that was sort of embarrassing.

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Well, so many bands are doing it. I mean, honestly, that's the problem with Lombardo. You know, when he left Slayer the first time, he was like out of the corporation. And so when he came back, he was hired on as an employee and he wasn't getting shit. And that's why he was like, you know, we need to renegotiate this. And they were like, nah, fuck you. You're out of here. Yeah, he was even straight up. And he said he told how much money he made. And it was like, they toured for like a year and he walked away with like 30,000 bucks or something like that. The bass player for Testament, same thing.

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He left the band. He was removed from the corporation. He came back and he was a hired gun and he wasn't making shit and he got fed up with it and left. It's unfortunate that you've got to pay attention to the business side. Otherwise, you're going to get screwed. Again, Jay from Catatonic Society is with us. Jay, if your band breaks up, you pull out the fucking knives and go for the throats, brother. You take care of yourself. That's not what I'm saying.

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You know what we were thinking about middle nicknames earlier? Speaking about in regards to this, you know what his name is? J. Dave Mustaine. That's his nickname. He runs out band with an iron fist. This ain't going to happen to him. It's awesome to have your nickname actually be somebody else. No, but what I'm trying to get at is, you know, it's good that bands are

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and things like that.

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And sure, if you bring in Hired Gun XYZ to be on an album or to do a tour,

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you're not going to automatically put them in the corporation and give them shares in that.

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Chris Adler, for instance, doesn't deserve a one-fourth share.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But when you've got somebody like a founding member coming back, they really should get grandfathered back in. Try to be less of a dick. Kiss was the same way, and that's why Ace and Peter left the second time. Paul and Gene made $60 million, and they made two. I'm sorry. I was going to say, if Newstead rejoins. Well, see, that's where Metallica's cool. As soon as Robert Trujillo joined Metallica, they were like, here's your $1 million signing bonus.

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you're a full-quarter member. Because there's no bullshit. If you're in Metallica, you're in Metallica. But also, Jason did not sign away his life either. And Jason still gets paid whatever he used to get paid. Do you think he ever needs to work again for his prior time with him? I can't imagine so. He's not as rich as the other dudes, but he is very, very rich. He's always my favorite member, too. He also gets... He's just as much a member of Metallica as concerns all the material he was on as he ever was.

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You know, you know, Marty Friedman's not getting anything from Rest in Peace, but believe me, when Black Oval sells, he gets a check. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I read an interview with Newstead, and he talks about it in that movie that they did. You know, he said, we'll be business partners for the rest of our lives, you know. Yeah, but I was talking about, you said this about, like, Marty gets nothing? I doubt it. He might have some publishing since he wrote some of those songs. Jesus. There's that publishing thing again raising its head. You were on one of the greatest albums in metal history, and you still can't reap the benefits from it? Not the way Dave does, no. Jesus.

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But the shit he helped write, he gets money from that. If it's on the radio and other various things or the record sells, then you are owed a share as the publisher. Do you think stuff like this happens because people let their voice go unheard? Yeah. Here's what I think. Keeping a band together is so hard anyway. I think when you get to where it's a business, a real business, then it's a little different and you should probably speak your claim.

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All the bands I've been in, it's been frequent for me to highly disagree with something somebody wanted to do, but to keep my mouth shut just because I didn't want to cause a fight that would not give me something to do next Friday night. You know what I mean? That's the end of the band. I'm like a total peacekeeper. So yeah, I can see how guys might have got themselves into some contractual trouble just because for any number of reasons, especially in Megadeth, dude. Because you know what? If you came into Megadeth late, you were probably afraid they was going to let you go at any given time. Seriously, I bet that would be true.

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So I would think you would sign whatever piece of paper they gave you. I mean, I was a little surprised the dude from Chris Broderick. Yeah, Chris Broderick. Yep. I was surprised he left because I thought he, you know, that was his chance to step in the spotlight. But I think there again, he probably wasn't making that much. It was probably just like, fuck it. I was happier with my other band. Right. I think a lot of it just comes down to that, you know, it doesn't sound like Dave wants to be very open to Dave's band. And that's true, too. You know what? He's the reason that band has endured.

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So everybody's got a dog in the fight. And I get it. I tend not to be too judgmental. But the thing is, though, why as a member of another band, or sorry, you have another band that you've played with, if you're joining Metallica, I'm sorry, if you're joining Megadeth, why go into it? But do you know how Dave is? Yeah. Exposure. But Chris Adler doesn't need it. And it's a chance to like, you know what, if you are a struggling musician and somebody said, Luke told you, now you're going to be on one of these kickass tour buses,

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We're going to the United States. We're going to take you to France and every other country in Europe. Yeah, I could see how you would jump at that if you were really focused on that. Adler's probably just doing it because he's like, hey, I like Megadeth. I want to do a Megadeth album. That'd be great. He doesn't need it, but he's doing it for fun, probably, which may be what makes the album a little better. And, you know, Metallica signing Robert Trujillo is one-fourth member, million-dollar signing bonus. I would also point out they're one of the few bands that could afford to do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, Mustaine is a millionaire.

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Many times over, but he's not an empire like they are. So he's probably a little more protective. And he's probably been fucked a bunch of times, too. I'm sure he has. Which is me just basically arguing everybody's point of view. That's good to be able to see both sides of the... That's good. Otherwise, if you only see one side of the story, then maybe you're talking out of your ass sometimes. There you go. I'm slowly assigning myself a role on the podcast, and it's bringing us back. Don't worry, Jake. Once we get Dave

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on the podcast, I'll ask him the hard questions. Oh, yeah. You'd probably answer them. I know he would. He comes off very full of himself. There you go. You're talking about Dave? Oh, you're Dave Mustaine. Yes. Sorry, I was thinking Dave Lombardo. I was like, Dave Lombardo's a very humble guy. You take that back. You don't talk about Dave that way. All right. Thank you, Jay, for bringing this back. This next item, I just wanted to put it out there. I almost missed it myself, but this past week was the fourth anniversary of the past.

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of Scott Columbus. How could you forget? Look at our studio. I know. I was a shock when he died. Yeah, well. It wasn't, you know, what was it? 45, 50 something like that? He was 54, I think. Okay. But either, even so, he looked pretty good. The guy had muscles and everything looked like he kind of had a... Still. Yeah. Down he went. Yep. Yep. They never released the circumstances. We can speculate. Out of respect for Scott, I'm not going to speculate, but it's unfortunate that he's no longer with us. He was the drums of doom. Play that man award.

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Yeah, it was cool when he came back. I remember that was kind of a cool thing. I actually bought one of the tour videos they did the year he came back because I wanted to watch it and see, you know. And I did. And it was kind of fun. I mean, it was them all walking around saying how great they were all the time. Well, Joey saying how great they were there all the time. But yeah, that was a real shame when he died. He was a member I actually kind of liked. Yeah. Do you remember when we saw him? We interviewed Rhapsody on their tour bus. It was our very first interview. It was horrible. Picture two

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We have Rhapsody, one of my favorite power metal bands, and George's too, on their first American fucking tour. George and I are just two schlubs with a little tape record player, record recorder. We walk on the tour bus thinking, yeah, we're going to interview a guitarist or something. We have all five or six members, a tour manager. We have everybody on the bus. And they're just sitting there looking at us expectantly.

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with broken English.

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They're Italian.

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And Fabio's sitting across the tour buses have the little diner benches.

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And across the diner table is Fabio answering some of the questions.

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And Luca Torilli's over there.

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He's answering some of the questions.

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And everybody's just sitting there looking at us like we're freaking Rolling Stone or something.

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We started the interview and forgot to turn on the tape recorder.

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Because we were so shitting ourselves. Yeah, so we were like three questions in and we had to go back and start over and do it again. That's when you turned it back on and said, do you remember what you were saying before about that? I'd like to hear you say more about that. Yeah. You don't tell. You turned it on. That's awesome, dude. Or you didn't turn it on. Yeah. I would give anything for a picture of that, dude. I need to find the cassette because we never did publish it. Oh, really? Wow. No, we never did. No. Okay.

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But while we were standing outside the tour bus with the tour manager waiting for the band, Scott Columbus walks by and he's like, "Hey, what's up?" We were like, "Scott Columbus." And so that'll always be my last and favorite memory of Scott Columbus. That's awesome, dude. And I think he was like a real man's man. You know, man on the street, man, you know what I mean? Nice guy, probably. Yeah, they're all nice. I mean, I can't speak for Joey. I haven't met Joey, but I did meet Eric Adams before a show in Cleveland once.

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And he just sat and chatted with us for a little while. And he was incredibly cool. Awesome. You know what? You just prompted something I wanted to ask you about, which was just in this is just because having met people, you've met some people. You mentioned to me that your copy of Born Again was signed by Ian Gillen and some other people. And I was wondering what was the circumstance that allowed you to get that done? eBay. Oh, it was on eBay. Okay, cool. Yeah. I was like, when were they all in the same room? You know what I mean? Kind of thing. But it was...

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on there. You know how that actual circumstance happened? Some guy handed it to his wife and his kid and said, sign this. I get stuff that's either certified or at least has pictures of the people signing it. Oh, sure. Yeah. I don't buy too much stuff like that. I've got a signed copy of Black Sabbath 13 with Iommi and Butler and Ozzy that we bought at the show. They were actually selling them. So I'm pretty happy with that.

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with that. And then, so I was like, man, I really wish I had, you know, Ian Gillen too. So I went on eBay and I looked for something that was, you know, seemed legit. Yeah. I've also got a copy of mob rules signed by everybody, including Ronnie James. It's amazing. It is amazing. It hangs in the bar. Speaking about how about your fucking wedding gift over here? Putz fucking Buke take over for me. Get them. There is a, this is a wedding gift.

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I got for George to show you how much I love this fucking guy. This is signed by every member of Manowar. It's a shirt. And it's framed. And it's in the studio here. For the longest time, it wasn't. But he had his Ramones random Walmart poster hanging on the wall and all this other shit. I didn't actually have anything until a couple of weeks ago. There was nothing on the wall. And this went up the same time as everything else. But by all means, continue to complain. One day he's going to break it over my head.

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Like WrestleMania style or something. Yeah. The, um, the, uh, oh, I wanted to ask, uh, the 13, is that vinyl? Uh, I have it on vinyl, but it's, but it's a CD that's signed. So yeah, right. Cool. Cool. Scott Columbus. Indeed. RIP, bro. What do you got? I was gonna say, I don't have anything Opeth signed. Oh, I have. Yes, you do. Yes, we do. The CD. Yeah. I've got two things by them signed, but, um, Opeth, Opeth, Opeth. I can't keep up. I can't keep up.

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Speaking of vinyl, I just wanted to put this out there. My friend Josh let me know about this, so I was able to jump on board this bandwagon real quick. Throssenblot is releasing a vinyl of their album Canada 2010 on Lost 40 Records. There's like a black and then like a clear green vinyl, and they're limited to I think like 175 copies each. So if you're a Throssenblot fan, which you're probably not because nobody's heard of them, but I am.

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Can I drive that point home a little bit? Sure. And it's just that I'd like, and I don't want to be unkind to these guys, especially if they're friends of yours or whatever, but I would like you to say Thrasenblatt again and for me and Buke to react exactly as we did when you started this news story. So go ahead and just say Thrasenblatt, please. Thrasenblatt. I'm dead silent. I just love that. Thrasenblatt, Buke and I were like, nothing. We left you hanging, man. But these guys are cool though, huh? Thrasenblatt's pretty cool, yeah. Joel, the main guy,

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does this band was in a band called woods of e prey who i know that you're like totally into

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them yeah i'm totally into that band david gold was the main guy in woods of e prey he died in a

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traffic accident a couple years ago and so no more woods of e prey unfortunately but thrassenblot uh david

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gold was actually the drummer on canada 2010 and so that's one reason that's that's why i picked it up

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originally because i was i was depressed because there wasn't any new woods of e prey coming out i'm like

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What else can I find that he's been on rare shit? And I'm like, okay, there's a band called Necromyth. That's a Korean band. He played drums on that album. So I bought that Korean band. That's awesome. Yeah. And, uh, and I was like, oh, Thrasenblatt, what the hell's that? And I was like, okay, he played drums on that. And Joel, the guitar player in Woods of Eprey is the singer and guitar player in Thrasenblatt, which in case you don't know, Thrasenblatt, T-H-R-A-W-S-U-N-B-L-A-T.

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was their interpretation of what thrash and blast would sound like pronounced by a northern european oh dude that's awesome thrassenblatt that's totally creative isn't it hilarious at the same time yeah so so anyway it's uh thrassenblatt is like it's canadian black metal with mixed in folk and maritime type stuff it's it's pretty cool definitely should check these guys out and uh and in the point the larger

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point being it's coming out on vinyl yes very limited runs of vinyl you can pick it up at lost 40 records they're pre-ordering right now i'm literally looking at it as we as we speak partially because i'm interested in this lost 40 to see what that's all about but cool dude yeah i think and it's funny i think they're actually a brewery or at least or at least some sort of like uh like brew pub kind of thing that uh our craft beer place or something that they're like they've releasing these three albums on vinyl just because they're like we like we make beer we like metal let's do this

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Fuck yeah, dude. That's awesome. Anybody can have a label. You know what I mean? If I had extra money to throw around, there's some bands here I would have a label. I mean, we've made up our label, End Times Records, on Catonic Society. We're trying to convince all of our fellow, the bands we play with the most, to put theirs out on that. Just put the same thing, we'll give them the font. You know what I mean? Create our own little scene here, if we can. Totally. I mean, I've been talking to Buke, and I mentioned it to you, too. We thought it would be really cool to do, for Record Store Day, a vinyl-only version of the podcast.

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and you know, maybe do a Kickstarter or something to get it funded. And I honestly don't know if we can pull it off, but it would be really cool to do. It would be really cool just to try the Kickstarter thing and just to try it, you know? Yeah. So, hey, if you're out there and you're into vinyl and you're into our podcast, let us know if you'd be interested in that. Maybe we could get Catatonic Society to like record an exclusive track for it or something. Actually do that.

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How fucking cool would that be? Like, we're on like side A and B. Catatonic Society does like an exclusive track just on this. Oh, man, wouldn't that be slick? We'd call it Metal Disciple Catatonic Society Split. Oh, yes, wouldn't that be sweet? Yeah. Well, I've kept this in mind ever since you mentioned it, George, which was recently. And I've been jotting down label or, excuse me, vinyl pressing places to check out. And I have a little list.

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I have it right next to me but I'll send it to you and basically I've just been kind of looking at some of the records that I have and things like that and some of them actually will advertise the place that printed the record you know what I mean like that's a thing so and I just on the high and fire I got another one last night so I'm gonna look at it I'm gonna look at online and see what it's all about but yeah yeah man that could be done that can be done and I don't think it has to break the bank either right you know that's the thing is I was looking at a couple different places and in order to do something that was a 12 inch vinyl that has like cover artwork

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Nothing fancy. You know, I was crunching the numbers and it was like it was slowly going up per copy like, you know, without even putting any profit on top of it just cost per item. It was like $15 up to $20 up to almost $30 and I was like, honestly, I don't think anybody's gonna pay $30 for a vinyl of a podcast. Yeah, so if I can get that number down to a point where people might actually be into, you know, paying for it, you know, we don't have to make any money on it. I just like to press it and do it and sell it at cost.

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I'm not giving up. I'm really not. I'm going to kind of keep my eyes open. You never know what we'll find. And not to mention, there's just like Relapse has a special sale. Every once in a while, you'll find somebody who's kind of doing a special deal kind of thing. So it could happen, man. This needs to stay in your kind of daydream thing for sure. And keep your fingers crossed. Keep my eyes open, too. My friend Josh would probably be mad if I didn't also mention he's been trying to convince me that we should do a live show. And Will has been saying that. Has he?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Remember Will says come to him.

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I agree.

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Oh, you mean do a podcast from the brewery?

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Yeah.

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But do a live show.

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There's so many social media things like what's that?

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That meerkat and stuff like this.

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It's a video cam thing too.

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Oh, okay.

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If we were just to fire up like one of our iPhones on us, watching us and maybe stream

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to YouTube or something.

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Well, that's different.

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I mean, you know, I've got a GoPro camera that I was thinking of just like putting up in

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the video of the podcast as well as the audio. But then I can go and edit it and put it online and whatever. It's not real time. But even real time video obviously is a thing we could do. But what we're talking about is actually having a venue that people can attend. And Josh thinks if we go out and flyer and raise enough of a ruckus that we could get some people to come to this thing. And I'm not convinced at this point that we really have enough

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people in this area that would come. Do we have a decent amount of people

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around the world? Yeah.

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But I don't know that we have enough people

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congregated in any one particular region

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that we could pull enough people to warrant a show.

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Now, that's if we were to set up a show ourself.

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Could we maybe get buddy-buddy with a band in the area

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and they'd let us open a show? Maybe.

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That's someplace to start, something to consider.

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Well, also, you might consider something like...

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I mean, first off, it can just be a bar.

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If it's the right bar or place, and I don't know, not a noisy, noisy bar, but it's just like the places we play, dude. I mean, you might say, could we have a show anywhere? And yes, we can. You know what I mean? We go, and there's people there, and that kind of thing. If you find the right kind of thing, well, I like the sound of what the guy, you know, you were talking about, Will. Is that who you're talking about? Yeah. Was he the one who was saying, like, come to us? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think that's the right idea. I'll tell you, too. I say think about all this stuff. Keep it in mind, and this is what we should do is when, if, if, I'm going to try to come to a trip,

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If that doesn't happen, we wait until there's the right show that's going on. I'll come out. We'll go to the show. Then I'll come and we'll do the live podcast. We'll do a bunch of shit in four days or something like that. It'll be fun. We'll do an open mic night. Absolutely. We're a podcast. And have a real special couple podcasts out of it. It'd be fun. It'd be fun. It wouldn't matter if there was 30 people there. That would be fun. Yeah. 30 people would be awesome.

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I was thinking six, dude, 30. That's amazing. Be like, oh, there's my wife, there's my mom, and, you know, that's it. My mailman? Yeah. Yeah, dude, it can be done. But, yeah, I highly support this kind of thing. I always say, you know, shoot farther than you can see. You know what I mean? Fuck it. Yeah. So, hey, and also, if you're in the D.C., Virginia, Maryland area, let us know if you'd come to a show, you know. If enough people ask for this stuff, then maybe we'll actually, you know, get off our asses and do something about it. There you go.

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So another thing I saw in the news yesterday, which I thought was pretty damn cool. Finland's leading university, the University of Helsinki, is offering a three-week course in the history of heavy metal music and its importance in contemporary Western society. Gotcha. That's cool. There's more than one reason I want to go to Finland. A lot of them are metal-based, honestly. The other ones are goalie-based. Yeah. One of the good goalies from Finland. Took a rask. Yeah, dude, I would love to be able to go to something like this.

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My wife was all supportive. She was like, yeah, we'll go to there and I'll go and just hang out and you can go take this class. It's like 640 euros for the class. Fuck yeah, dude. I never heard to me actually go. Yeah. I'm like, if I don't ace this class, I'm in trouble. You could be fucking recognized. I want to be a doctor of metal. People ask you about it. No,

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I'd ended up not going to that because you know how everybody in middle tries to one up the next person you can be like please check out my certificate of completion from the University of Helsinki I got my degree bitch so that would be pretty cool that would be cool man another thing that's got me excited the band Arcturus are releasing a new album on May 8th called Arcturian this is their first album in a decade these guys are of course one of the early Norwegian

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I'm really curious to see what it sounds like. I mean, it's not, uh, God, what the hell does he go by these days? Uh, the original singer, Garm or Christopher or something or other, he's the guy from, uh, Hoover. He's not in the band. Uh, ICS Vortex is, I believe still the singer in Arcturus. He's also in, uh, Bork Nagar. And, uh, I think that Ulrich stuff, by the way, that's good stuff. Yeah. Regardless, I'm very curious to see what this sounds like. I mean, the new

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Dodheimsgard is another band from that era that had put out a new album. And obviously I've been raving about that. Buke said he was just listening to that yesterday and was loving it, which surprised me. Oh, you did. You got into it. Yeah, I did, actually. I did. The singing, when, again, this just shows you my lack of knowledge about being a singer, when it's, you kind of hear him, like his solo parts, when you kind of hear the real emotion he puts in. He's like, ah! Yeah. I don't know how to say it.

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I've described that, but it's cool sounding.

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That's a great album.

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I spent my time, my listening time, this last couple weeks going backwards through your top 20 list, but that was one of the other major notes I made from the last show, because that had such a heavy effect on George.

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So soon, I'll be there with you guys soon and check it out.

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Just check out my number one, Primordial.

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Oh, I already had that anyway.

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How amazing is that album?

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Oh, it's great.

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I like them a lot, dude.

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I've been following them for a while.

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Yeah, well, I will tell you this. Actually, it is all about Buke. It's funny because I've been listening to the stuff I didn't have, but the one I've probably listened to the most is something I had already listened to 100 times, which is the Tripticon record. I just had constantly reminded how good that is, and I went out and bought it. Tripticon album. That's all I heard last year from this guy. George heard it the first time. He goes, that's it. Album of the year.

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I'm smart like that.

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Do you think it's as good an album as George

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puts it on? I really do.

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I think it's amazing. I love

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Tom Warrior in general.

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I'm reading his book right now, which is really

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fucking cool. And I'm even more impressed with

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him now because there's an artistic intent

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behind everything he does.

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Oh, I was going to ask

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you, George, if you've watched...

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There's a documentary online about them that you can

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watch on YouTube for free called The Dying God.

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Yes, I have seen that.

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Yeah.

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So, but anyway, I'm just all freaked out on that record. So, I've probably listened to Tripticon at least once a day since the last time we spoke.

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Right on. And I want to mention that after we spoke last time, Jay was kind enough to send us a copy of both Only Death is Real, the Celtic Frost Hellhammer book, as well as Murder in the Front Row, the book with the visual history of the Bay Area thrash scene. We were blown away by this.

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It's extremely generous. Thank you. Oh, but you know what it is, dude? It's one of those things. I'm sure you guys are like this sometimes, too. It's just like I couldn't handle not knowing you guys weren't looking at those. Well, I've been going through it quite a bit. I'll buy my friends' games like, you need to check this out. You need to be here, yeah. I read the Nocturno Culto intro to Only Death Is Real, and I'm just getting started into the book. Yeah, it's great. I mean, it's really a good read, actually, surprisingly so, plus the pictures are just awesome. And then,

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Just like you, the Murder in the Front Row one is just like this huge nostalgia trip for me. Totally. Yeah, they're awesome photos. And that's like, it's got all the old pictures of Metallica's house they lived in and stuff. I also kind of really want to support that press. It's called Bazillion Points Press. And they're putting out exclusively shit like that. Who else is going to put out a book called? Is that the Richard Christie? It is. The Richard Christie stuff, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. I'll be honest with you, I didn't know that. Yep. He did say,

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The History of Heavy Metal. I think they do a cooking book maybe about metal. So yeah, it's totally a metal publisher. But a nice format too, aren't they though? Oh, it's beautiful. They look like textbooks. Yeah, I was thinking that. I was holding them under my arm like textbooks and I'm going, I'm going, told my wife, I'm going to, you know, study. Helsinki, you got to get ready. Yep. Heavy Metal 101.

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It was my extreme pleasure to send them to you. I love to share the love kind of thing. I knew you guys would love those. Thank you. It's nice to have somebody to give them to. Somebody who knows what I'm giving you. You were like, dude, these are fucking badass. You'll have to let me know what you think of the Celtic Frost when you're done reading it too. Definitely. Which, by the way, I've been trying to zero in on Celtic or Celtic. God damn it. Celtic. Tom goes two different ways. I was watching Dying God. He says Celtic once and Celtic another. I was like, not you too, Tom.

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If you're from Boston, it's Celtic. Anybody else, it's Celtic. Fair enough. That's a good rule for building. All right, we've got one more news item. And this one made me kind of double-tick. I was like, wait, what? And apparently Chance, the singer of Skeleton Witch, is no longer in the band. Now, we know that late last year, he left the tour, but there was nothing much really said about it. It sounded like it was a health problem or a family problem.

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or something. They didn't say much about it, but now it's come out that Chance has a drinking problem and he was kicked out of the band for being an asshole, Dave Mustaine style. I totally missed this news story, by the way, until you said something about it. I don't know how I missed it. Yeah, I just saw it yesterday. Oh, it was yesterday. Yeah, and you know, Chance wrote to, was it Metal Sucks? Like, and you know, they posted it on the site, basically owning it, saying, you know, I was a drunk asshole and I didn't, until

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this happened. I didn't really know what a jerk I was being.

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And it sucks that it took me getting kicked out of the band for me to know this.

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But he's definitely owning it and trying to get better, he says.

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Okay.

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Don't know if he'll actually get to come back to the band or if he's going to have to start something new.

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Apparently, Skeleton Witch is doing some touring anyway with a different singer, a guy named Andy Horn, from a band that Buke recently featured on here called Battlemaster from Richmond.

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Yep.

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What's the deal with Richmond, dude? Is there like a kick-ass scene there or what? Totally. Yeah, I mean, guar and Lamb of God and Municipal Waste. There's something in the water over there or something. Well, it's a very, it's like an art school town. Oh, is it? I mean, it's also the home of Marlboro, but there is like an art school there or something, and so a lot of creative types congregate there. Okay, yeah, it's funny. I was going to ask you about it last time because it comes up several times.

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Last time we spoke it came up a couple times in Richmond. Well, you've gone to the guar-bq and stuff. But yeah, that's cool. Have you been there? Well, you were there for the guar-bq. Have you been there before that? I've been through there, but there's not really any other reason to stop in there, for me anyway. Although now there is. They've got the guar bar. So we're hoping to do a road trip in the next month or so. I talked to a stripper last night, George, and while we have high hopes of going there, she says it's about as big as a closet. Oh, is that true? That's what she says.

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I thought I saw pictures though. Yeah, I thought I did too. I thought I remember thinking that place looks cool. Well, if it's as big as a closet, then I'll eat in Guar's closet. I don't fucking care. Well, maybe, so I wonder if you're thinking this, this is an attempt at reconciliation for him, by the way, the skeleton, which thing? Yeah, it sounded like it, you know, I mean, he sounded contrite and was kind of hoping that, you know, I mean, how many, how many alcoholics and junkies have you ever heard about that were like, I'm, I'm totally, I'm, I'm kicking, man, I'm done. And, you know,

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And then they don't. So, you know, he's said what he said, but he's got to, you know, prove it with actions and get himself cleaned up. And maybe they'll let him come back. I don't know. It'd be nice if they did. Yeah. We'll see what happens. I mean, they're kind of a cool band. They're just like one of those working man's bands out there, I think. I feel like they're not, you know, not everybody talks about them, but they're consistent. They put up pretty consistent releases. Yeah. And they tour like crazy men. You know, they're always on tour, it seems like to me. Yeah. So, well, I hope it works out for them. Me too.

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Yeah, we'll see. They always have cool covers, too. That was one of the reasons we asked Andre Buzikov to do ours. Yeah. So I've only got a couple new releases this week, but they're both pretty cool. First one I've already mentioned before, the new Minsk album, The Crash and the Draw. That's dropping. I love this album. I just got the vinyl like a week or so ago, and I haven't listened to it quite as much as the Dodd-Heimskard, so I'm still not sure on where it stands, but it's definitely a cool album. It's got a cool cover. It does.

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Have you listened to this yet, Buk? I have. It's been taking a backseat to the Dotham's guard also. So yeah, we'll have to get into it more, but I definitely recommend checking it out. On my list. Now this next one, I've been seeing a lot of talk on social media. In fact, I think Will mentioned this one. Was it Will that mentioned it yesterday? I think it was. The new Morgoth album, Ungod. They're another band that, you know, they were more of an early 90s death metal band. Haven't done anything in a while. I think I looked it up, but I forgot.

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It's been like 7, 8, 10 years or maybe even more since there's been a Morgoth release. And knowing Will and his style that he likes, I bet you he's really all over this album now. Yeah, so I got the promo for it a few weeks back and it's good. It's definitely good. So make sure to check out Morgoth. What's that? Cool. And I always like to see guys coming back too, so that's cool too. You never know what they learned while they were gone, you know what I mean? Yep. Maybe it's cool. So we'll see. I'll just do a mention here. It's not a new release, but in a sense it is. One of the bands we featured on here,

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They're doing a crowdfunding Kickstarter campaign right now for their newest album to be released on vinyl. Yes. Forgive me. I don't have the album on it right now. The name. But George and I have both backed it. You know what? I will too. I will on a sheer principle. Yeah. We I think it was like 20 bucks, $25 to. And you get a copy of the vinyl. You get a copy. George and I both backed it at the $30 level. You get a beer colored vinyl. That's what they

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describe the color at.

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I'm going to do that.

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Totally.

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For vinyl and to just kind of pass the good karma around since we just had a successful kickstart.

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I'm happy to go support him.

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I'll do it today.

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Right on.

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That album's called Black Ocean Waves, by the way.

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Which one was it?

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The King Giant album's called Black Ocean Waves.

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Yep.

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That's the name of the record.

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In 16 bucks, I'll get you a copy on black vinyl.

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Awesome.

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Cool.

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Great, man.

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Yeah.

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We should always plug like that, by the way.

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Really take care of people.

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Those guys, it's cool, man. People are out there working hard. They need help. And if they want to print a vinyl, God bless them. I'll do my best help from my own. And can I plug another band also, Catatonic Society. Their album, Baptism, whatever. Baptistina. Baptistina. It's your turn to say it, Ron. Check out this album again. Not just because Jay's on, but please, if you're a fan of that thrash, that high on fire sound, check this album.

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It's fucking amazing. Did you guys get your CDs yet? Nope. I'm sure you'll see them Monday then. I put them in the mail a couple days ago. I did get a notice from the P.O. box that something came in yesterday. It might have actually shown up and I just haven't been there to pick it up yet. Cool. Check it out. We also got George. We've got a band we're going to play for you this week. This band is awesome. The band is called Sonus Mortis. We saw this review from Thy Demons Be Scribblin.

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for Sonus Mortus and the new album called War Prophecy. You know, they've been helping us out. We've been helping them out. So we're like, hell yeah, we're going to go check this out. And Sonus Mortus is a one-man band from Dublin, Ireland. This is the love child of a guy named Kevin Byrne. The music is like a symphonic death doom. And this is the band's second album. The first album was called Propaganda Dream Sequence. I ordered War Prophecy on Bandcamp.

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the physical CD copy.

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Then I wrote to him and said, hey, can we put you on the podcast?

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And he's like, sure.

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And I'm going to throw in the first album for free.

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So he sent me both.

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I already got them.

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Oh, nice.

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Good stuff.

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We're going to play you some music from the War Prophecy album today.

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It's a good record.

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I really dig this record.

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And I got to tell you, I love, I'm nothing but impressed by all the guys who do this

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thing one person at a time.

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You know, how they really pull that off, the amount of work that must go in.

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The artwork on this record is great.

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I looked at his CD packaging on his Facebook page. It's really nice. It's cool stuff, dude. I'm digging this. I only had time to listen to the record once, but I was totally into it. I thought it was really great. Yeah. As a former one-man band myself, I always appreciate a good one-man band project that comes out well, which I never managed to do. But, you know, obviously it can be done because people are doing it, and Kevin is an example here. So we're going to play you a song now off of War Prophecy. My favorite track.

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This is the track, The Crypt of the Death Prophet.

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Forgiven

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She stays around in my

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I am dead

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She rises from the tomb and now stands so tall The bellies when it's cold to feel it all I'm the first to witness her glorious resurrection I'll be first to break her in a weight of perfection She moves, she turns, she locks

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She's dead, she's dead, she's dead, she's dead, she's dead

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I looked at the clenched up to see her face

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The light with body in the air with such face

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You know I'm capable of people I've met

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I am dead

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And I waited

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For you

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But I waited too long

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And so I waited

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For you

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I am dead

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I am you!

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I don't know what the hell is doing.

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All right, that was Sonus Mortis and the track The Crypt of the Death Prophet off of the band's second album, War Prophecy. Pretty good shit, huh? Badass, dude. Right on. Telling the kid. I say kid, I don't know how old he is, but he looks kind of young to me. I saw his pictures on his Facebook page. They're all younger than us.

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That's a few sure things were ever said

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Yeah

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Alright well if you like that stick around to the end of the show

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We're going to play you another track from

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War Prophecy

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Alright let's get into our top three for this week

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I know we're all chomping at the bit to do this

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Totally excited

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I'm excited for this one

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I can't wait to see what you guys say

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This was a fun one

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Mine will probably be on the outside on mine

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Well this is the top three bands that we miss

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You miss them because they're no longer around

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or they broke up or whatever reason the band's not around anymore and you sure wish that they still were. If they did a show, a one-off thing, not every member, does that still count? It counts on my fucking list. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We want them to come back and make more records. Right. Yeah. You wish they'd come back and do something. And Jay and I both mentioned that I personally just found out last night that one of mine is actually ramping up again. So I'm cool about that. And I think, Jay, you said you had one too?

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It comes with the rumor of a new record, but that's it. But that's cool, because I'd be happy if these guys made a new record.

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Exactly. All right, well, who wants to go first?

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Let's do, we're going to do our number threes each, then we'll do our number twos and our number one.

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Fair enough.

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Okay, Jason, to your guess, you're number three.

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Nevermore. And this is the one that I love, Nevermore, dude. I thought everything from the one before... They're all really good, actually. I don't know what you guys think of them. Good stuff, man. I fucking think they're super heavy.

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And I thought this Godless Endeavor was like one of the best post-2000-melo albums. And anyway, so this is my rumor one, too, was apparently Woreld Dane said, or in Blabbermouth this morning, he said he thinks there'll be another Nevermore record. Oh, shit. Is Van going to be with them and everything? That's what I was going to say was Van the Drummer. Van the Drummer and Ashes of Aries. What's his name? He's also doing solo guitar stuff now. Jeff Loomis. Yeah, Jeff Loomis joined Arch Enemy. It's almost better for the world that Nevermore stayed dead because

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The World Dane goes back to Sanctuary, which is awesome that they're back. Van goes to Ashes of Aries, which is awesome. Jeff Loomis is doing his thing. He said he and Jeff Loomis talk. He said we're not enemies or anything like that. You should probably go read the story, but he said he thinks there'll be one more, and he said he wants to do it with those guys. You said that was on Blabbermouth today? Blabbermouth this morning. Okay, brother. I'll check it out. Are you guys Nevermore fans at all? I am a huge Nevermore fan. More so than me. Dead Heart in a Dead World.

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Right, right, right. Dude, that track, The River Dragons, oh, man. This piece of news came out because they were interviewing him at, he went down, like, Brazil or something and did a 20th anniversary of that album, so that'll make you feel a little old. Oh, man. They did the whole record. I don't know, it was him and probably local musicians. Anyway, Nevermore. I defer to your first choice, Bukor George. I will take this. Mine is a power metal band. Okay. Okay? Their last album left me fucking wanting more because it was,

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It's just a Swedish power metal band Lost Horizon. Right on. You bring them back. Their album, 2003, A Flame to the Ground Beneath. One of my favorite. I'm a big, I'm still here on the podcast, big power metal fan. This album is easily one of my favorite power metal bands. When George and I did our power metal show last year, I forgot this fucking band because there's so many power metal bands I love. But if these guys were to come back, I'd be happy. It's funny. My number three is,

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Swedish power metal band too. Wow. It's a little known band called Timeless Miracle. I've never heard that George. I have played that for you. It's just not striking me right now. Into the Enchanted Chamber is hands down probably one of my favorite power metal albums. Was it Timeless Miracle? Like the flower? No, Miracle. Timeless Miracle. Okay, thanks. And they put out an album in 2005 called Into the Enchanted Chamber and it was fucking brilliant. And you know, this to me is what power metal is.

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should sound like. Cool beans. And I, they just, they put out one album in 2005 and then pretty much dropped off the planet. Oh, that was it. One record. One record. That was it. And it was like, what the hell? And you know, you do, you research online and everybody's going, I really wish these guys would come back. You know, they were really good and, and they just stopped. You know, they, they did the album. They said they were going to start working on the second album and it just never materialized. But this is the band that I heard just last night. They are in fact working on a new album.

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Finally.

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Hell yeah.

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And so I am really stoked.

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I mean, I'm a little reserved because it's been 10 years and it could sound completely

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different.

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Who knows if it's the same people.

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Hopefully it's at least the same singer because he's what made it for me.

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Well, what year did you say it came out, George?

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2005.

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Yeah, so it could be some different people.

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But I am hopeful that it will be amazing.

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God damn.

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So that's my number three.

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Which is number two.

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All right.

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I think I went a little more mainstream than you guys. I mean, some of mine are a little more visible, which is cool either way. But I mean, I also, I tried to think of guys like, I mean, it would be too easy to say something like Zeppelin, which I'm not going to say. But I also, I have to tell you, I didn't choose some bands because I've had enough from those bands. You know what I mean? Like Zeppelin, that's a good start and a good finish, leave it alone. So I tried to choose bands that I really thought might do something interesting again. And I would like to see Emperor make more records. Nice. Yeah, I really like them a lot, man. I thought those last couple,

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great. And then that was it. They were done. And even though he went on to do the Isane stuff or Isane or whatever. Isan. Is that how I pronounce it? Yeah. And the Zyklon and all that. I'd like to see more Emperor records. Totally. They get together for shows like Valken every once in a while. And they'll do a show. They did one in New York and a bunch. I remember people were flying there to see it. Yeah. I would love to see them. Because they were at Valken last year. That was why I wanted to go. I wanted to see them. Cool. Yeah.

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That's super cool. My number two, it may be on George's list. We asked Brian Slagle about them because we're both huge fans. This album came out and it was probably, I know it would make my list, probably make George's for top 10 albums the last 10, 15 years. Disillusion, Back to the Times of Splendor, when that came out, what, 04, 05 maybe? I think it was 03 even. That album hit an instant classic, if you ask me for modern metal albums. Yeah. They put out an album,

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Yeah, they made one album after that. It wasn't as good. But these guys just said, what did Slagle say? That they just sort of drifted away. And they were a reason. Like people got jobs or something like that, I remember. Wow. I mean, because I heard that podcast, your podcast. Yeah, that was a good record, though. I dug that, too. And that was really cool. I remember when you guys brought that up during the podcast on that interview. I was like, man, these guys are cool motherfuckers, man. That was a good poll, as Buick would put it.

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That just reminded me I'm gonna have like a 2.5 before I do my two. Also from mentioned from the Slagle interview is a band called Beyond the Embrace. Yeah. I loved them. I'd like to see them come back. Cool. But my actual number two, and you're just gonna be surprised that it's number two. My number two is Woods of Epre. Oh, I'm not surprised. Oh, you mean he thought he'd be number one? Yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, I mean, Woods of Epre, one of my favorite bands the last five years. Yeah.

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And you're always quick to say that, dude, which means it's always right there on the tip of your tongue. Yep. I'm always, it's never far from my mind. And so I would love for David Gold to still be with us and putting out music. Well, I'm glad it's okay to go posthumous too, because I had to choose a one posthumous. So I'm going to combine my last, I have a two, a three point, or let's call it a three, or 1.5 and a one. And my 1.5, shit, no joke, man, this was, I chose this before the rumor came up, but it was Richie Blackmore. I want to see him come back to heavy music. Right on.

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I'd have written that down and emailed it to myself so I'm proud to say that I had two rumors. There you go. And then I'd say, Richie, I'd like to see Richie do something with anybody. I don't give a shit who it is. And finally, this is a posthumous one so it doesn't count. But it is still my number one at the same time, which is, I wish, Dio's death was terrible. But I think that what would have happened if he hadn't died was they would have made more Heaven and Hell records rather than Sabbath records with Ozzy. And I would have much preferred that. I thought, it wasn't,

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It wasn't like Earthstopper, but I did think that On the Devil You Know was a good record. So did I. I listened to it the other day again. Adam, Evil, Bible Black. Fucking great. I mean, it's great. And I saw them on every tour opportunity I had. I've seen that band three times. George, I saw them a couple of times. Yeah. So that would be my number one. Man, that's a great, that is a great number one. What do you got, Buk? George knows me well. He probably knows what I'm going to say. I'm not going to say really what I want to because it's probably going to be on his.

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number one. My number one, I love them. They played a couple shows a couple months back. Super Joint Ritual. Phil Anselmo fronted band. You wouldn't rather have Pantera back? I tried to go a little more obscure on this. Would I love to have Pantera back? I'd almost give my daughter up for that. You know what though, dude? Seriously, Buke? Both of you guys might think I'm an idiot and that's cool. But I gotta tell you, I like all of the

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I like Pantera. I'm not fucking sure. Wow. You know what? George has admitted George never got into Super Joint Ritual. Maybe I need to do a convincing George for him. Super Joint Ritual was just that raw, not raw like shitty like Phil's last solo album. But this was just a raw, great project. They did the two albums, Use Once and Destroy. Yeah. Good stuff, dude.

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I just think it turns out in the end that I think I have more in common with

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Philip and Sam will do it just taste wise yeah same yeah then you know Phil and the last thing about

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Superdome is Phil wanted to I think go back to his roots you know what and they're my roots yeah and Phil was having a lot of fun like I have a couple DVDs one of them he's at CBGB's you know he's letting people on fucking stage with him you know they're moshing and jumping off the stage into the crowd it just looked like he took a step back to his roots so that's all

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I would love to see Supertrump Ritual come back and do a full tour and album again.

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Right on. My number one? Any guesses, Buke? Sentenced? Sentenced.

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That's why I didn't say it. I didn't want to take your fire.

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I'd have made the potty. Aw.

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Because it would have been mine.

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Yeah. Well, I was thinking while we were talking, I was like, oh man, Typo Negative. I'd love to have Typo Negative back. Of course, Dio.

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So yeah, Sentenced, one of my all-time favorite bands.

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They just sort of packed it in, you know, like 10 years ago and said, all right, we've taken it as far as we can take it. We're done. And then, of course, Mika, the guitar player, died. So that really kind of put a damper on any kind of reunion. Yeah. So that's my number one. We're like three fucking geniuses, man. Those are all great. Excellent. So what's everybody listening to this week? What do you got, Jay? Tomb, Savage Gold, man. Kind of stuck on that one. That's a good record. You guys, and I credit both of you for putting it on your list.

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I heard it at first George mentioned it he said just buy that I bought it at the record store you know sight unheard and I didn't at the time I still admit that genre for me was kind of hard for me to break into but I yeah because George said you know it's a lot of postmodern black metal sounds to it yeah but I love it good one I'll take a stab at vinyl if it's out there oh it's out there already yeah yep I'm gonna go home and spin it tonight having a cigar in the patio

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Cool.

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My number one, my, not my number one, my one I'm listening to, fucking George, take my keys and slice my throat.

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It's not fucking metal, okay?

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But I'm telling you, I'm hooked on it.

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It's amazing.

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We get into a little softer stuff, okay?

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Me too.

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We do.

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We like rock.

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I admit, we both like the Dagger album.

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Yeah.

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It was, you know, with bands like Visigoth and Crip Sermon, taking a step back with the

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This album's hit me and I'm loving it. Royal Thunder. Crooked Doors. They've been, I mean, even with their last album, they've been getting a lot of good press. I'm telling you, this, a lot of people say Baroness, Masson, no. This is a female-fronted classic rock, if I had to say. Yeah, it's definitely not metal, and that's why I've sort of poo-pooed them in the past, only because they were highly placed on metal lists. I'm like, it's not a

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So it's like how I couldn't give Pale Communion. It didn't deserve placement on a metal list. Right. It's not a judgment of their music. They're not a metal band. Yeah. But they do show up hand in hand with metal bands and lists and the metal magazines and such. So yeah. Yeah, so I just wanted to list this because you and I, we said earlier this year, what's going to be our musical trend maybe for the year? And we thought maybe going back to the classical stuff with, again, Visigoth and Cripsermon and the Dagger. So this is it.

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It's an awesome classic rock type of sound. Again, Royal Thunder Crooked Doors. Right on. I've been eagerly waiting this. Come on, buddy. I'm like Santa Metal coming to disperse you with new music to listen to this week. Because I have three albums to tell you about. It has been a joyous week in metal, let me tell you. And he holds off to the podcast to tell me these.

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I could have been spinning some of this stuff at work.

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Yeah, I'm selfish like that.

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Alright, so the first one, Bukes probably heard before it because they were played on the Metal Sucks podcast a couple weeks ago.

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This is the band called Alkaloid and their album The Malkuth Grimoire.

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Now, Alkaloid is a technical death metal band that, okay, one of the members is currently in Obscura.

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Two of the members are formerly from Obscura.

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The guitar player and the drummer from Obscura. And then the current, I think a current guitar player from Obscura. The singer is from a band called Dark Fortress. And oh my fucking God, this album. Okay. Really? I mean, do you like, do you know Obscura? Yeah. Okay. Actually, I got that because of one of you guys. Right. Well, Obscura is pretty good, but Alkaloid blows it out of the fucking water. Okay. This album, I mean, I'm not a huge tech death fan. You know, if it's good, I like it. I was listening to this the other day.

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Now granted, you gotta put on some good headphones so you can hear all the nuances and the details, because this technical stuff is, you know, if you just casually listen, you're not gonna pick it up. But oh my god, what an amazing album. What's the name of it again? The name of the album is called The Malkuth Grimoire. I don't know if I'm pronouncing Malkuth right. It's actually... Alkaloid is the band's name. Yes, Alkaloid is the band. The Malkuth, I'm basing that on what it sounded like in the song, but it's actually also another, like,

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Middle Eastern Hebrew type word where it sounded like it was like when I did try to pronounce it. So I was like, yeah, I'm just going to go with what it sounds like in the song. But the album opener is called Carbon Phrases. And that one is very like, it starts off really progressive and not all that heavy to start out. And then as the song builds, it gets heavier. Then by the second track, which is called From a Hadron Machinist. It's fucking balls out heavy technical.

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death metal really good stuff like my death metal and the album closes with a 12-minute

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masterpiece called funeral for a continent how fucking badass wow it's like all like obscure

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it's all kind of like sci-fi sounding it's it's it's pretty badass i highly recommend checking these guys out

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The next band completely changes gears. This is like a heathen, pagan, black metal. And the band is made up of members from Iceland and Germany. And I am going to butcher the shit out of their name. So just be prepared for that. Arstadir Leifsens. Common spelling? Exactly. I can't even attempt the album title. It's like long and all Icelandic. I wouldn't even get in the box.

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I saw a review for it in Terrorizer and I was like, huh, okay. And I listened to it and I don't know if you've ever heard of the band Vardruna. They're not a metal band, though Gaul from Gorgorath and Godseed sings on the album along with some other people. It's very, it's like traditional Scandinavian folk instruments and like chanting. If you've ever seen the TV show Vikings, they do the intro music for the show.

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Really? Yeah. And, you know, if you're into the whole, like, fantasy, Viking, whatever, Vordruna is really cool music. It's not metal by any stretch of the imagination, but it is really cool. Now, this band, Arstadir Lífsens, sounds like a combination of Vordruna and black metal. There's some, like, you know, folky instrumentation. All the lyrics are in old Icelandic. And yet, and there's, like,

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deep, chanting vocals, alongside with traditional harsh black metal vocals. And it is fucking amazing. I have already ordered the vinyl from Germany. Of course you have. So, yeah, I should probably spell it, because otherwise nobody's going to know how to find this band. So, here we go. The band name is A-R-S-T-I, sort of a

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I R it looks like a D it's not a D a R S T I D I R second word L I F S I N S check these guys out and that doesn't bring it the D thing be it there now that I I typed it as you wrote it and it brings up them immediately so yeah so it's not a D but it'll get you there yeah whatever the fuck that is I don't even know I mean I

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That's even beyond Unlot. I have no idea what that is. Yeah. And they're on Bandcamp, so you can check them out. It's like seven euros for the album. Brilliant stuff. I love it. Awesome, dude. Third band, a little more traditional. You can see how happy Jake George is right now. I am full of me. He is excited to be rattling these off. Feeling fulfilled. Now, this is a band people probably have heard of, at least if they're fans of death metal. Their last album came out like two years ago, two or three years ago.

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and caused quite a stir. People were pretty excited about it. This is the new album from Tribulation called The Children of the Night. It's coming out on Century Media very soon. I don't think it's out quite yet. I got the promo, though, and damn! That's tough. Yeah, I reviewed their last album. It was called The Formula of Death, I believe. Oh, it's got a kick-ass cover, too. And available on vinyl. Yeah. I reviewed their last album, and I was like, okay, it surprised me. The vocals were very traditional death metal. They were kind of buried,

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which was my one critique of the album. But the music was very good. And so I was like, huh? And I like it sort of brought me back and I actually reviewed it because of that. So when I saw they had a new album coming out, I was like, gotta hear this. You know, did they fix the things that I wanted fixed? And yes and no. The music sounds phenomenal. It is like it's technical, not like not like alkaloid obscura technical, but it's but it's it's kind of clean in a production standpoint.

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and it's not like a wall of sound. So you can actually hear guitar leads and riffs and things. And I was like, that's awesome. I mean, death metal tends to be a wall of noise. So there are guys that are starting to, well, I mean, there's always been a few, but that's, it's funny how that's the avant-garde, isn't it? It used to be like it was avant-garde to just be so much noise, you know, kind of thing. And now it's the opposite. To still use those same chords and structures and all that different stuff, but to fucking clean it up a little bit. And it's cool. It's cool.

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There's some really cool things that are happening with bands that are doing that. Yeah, and the vocals are still harsh still slightly lower in the mix than I would prefer. I think it would be a lot stronger if you know he could sing harsh but they could just give it a little more punch but still it sounds really good. In fact, it reminds me of like early 90s like Tiamat the Astral Sleep. Yeah, kind of that sort of like stripped down death metal that's just fucking cool. Are they I forgot if you said where they were from. I want to

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I'd say they're Swedish.

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I'm going to look that up.

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I mean, I like you.

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I mean, probably that they actually I'm kind of looking stuff up as we speak.

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In any case, oh, they look cool, dude.

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They look sort of like Celtic Frost.

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Yeah, kind of.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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Awesome, dude.

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Yeah.

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George's coming in here dropping the fucking bomb and then leaving.

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They're dropping some knowledge.

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He's an expensive friend to have, man.

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You're telling me.

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Yeah, they're from Sweden. Cool. I'm down. All right. We're nearing the end finally. My wife has been texting me going, are you done yet? But we still got to do a classic album. I'm excited. I'm excited. Okay, well, let's save Jay to the end. Yeah, you want. I mean, I already told you guys what mine is, so I should probably go first. Go first. In the spirit of remembering people, as we mentioned earlier with Scott Columbus, a few days from now is the fifth anniversary of the passing of Typo Negatives' Peter Steele.

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of remembering Mr. Steel. My classic for this week is Bloody Kisses. Came out in 1993. I was like, damn, that's like 22 years old. That's a long time ago. Yeah, I remember the first time I heard Typo Negative, they were on Headbangers Ball, and they played the video for Black No. 1, and I was like, I mean, I fell instantly in love with this band. I was like, I love his voice. That deep and gothic, oh. I ran out and bought that as soon as I could find it. And the Playgirl, to go with it.

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They made good records up until he died, dude. I don't know if you have Dead Again. God, that was a good record. That was a good album. That was a great album. He can't stand enough about Peter Steele, dude. Love him. Love him. You're cutting out, dude. Some strange mix between Sabbath and Pink Floyd or something. You know what I mean? Just totally depressing, insanely cool stuff. Love it. Cool. Good choice, dude. Mine?

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Nothing super special. We're just browsing things on the web. This was album celebrating 25 years. I was just in a brutal, angry mood earlier in the week. I just wanted some aggression to get out. This is Pungent Stench. For God, your soul. For me, your flesh. Nice. Celebrating 25 years this week. Well, you know, Pungent Stench became Holland Thon. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if you haven't heard Holland Thon, you should check them out, too. So, yeah.

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So, I'm going to celebrate 25 years. It's just, you know, I found this again earlier in the week. It had, it's, I have it in my collection, but it just came on random shuffle. It was one of the things is I'm playing my game. I had to all tab out and be like, who's this again? Yeah. So again, pungent stench. All right. Mine is, um, I had purposely tried to think of something that might be a little George Stumper, but I don't think this will now. The more, the more I've thought about it, I think it will. It was a great record and it's

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a record you could easily not know was great. Anyway, they had two records. They're from Metal Blade Records back in the 80s. They had two records on Metal Blade. I think they had more records than that. And before I tell you what they are, I have to tell you that the two records in particular, one of which is my classic, have the worst cover art in the history of cover arts. Terrible. You would have picked it up like this. So it's a Hallows' Eve 80s thrash band called, they have records called Death and Insanity. A fucking killer record. And it was this weird record where,

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They were one of the first thrash bands that kind of took the strange turn and started doing these sort of weird, socially conscious lyrics or something like that. I can't explain it. You'd have to hear it. Records called Death and Insanity, totally freaking out, total lost gem. Great record. Yeah, I first heard those guys on Best of Metal Blade compilation. I thought if I didn't stump you, that might be why, I swear to God. I thought he at least got this on account. Yeah, there's a song called Plunging to Megadeth. Yeah, absolutely. And it came out before Megadeth because it was,

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D-E-A-T-H. That's the guys. Nice call, J. What a great album. I've never heard this. I'm going to check. Oh yeah, they're good. It's good stuff. Good stuff. Right on. Cool. Alright, well we're getting ready to wrap this up. Then we're going to play you another song on the way out. But before we go, make sure to check us out on Facebook. Check us out on Twitter. I am Disciple OV Metal. Again, for another check mark, I'm at OPE.

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And you can get a hold of either of us, any of us, at MetalheadsPod. We're also on Instagram at MetalheadsPodcast. You can check us out on YouTube. We're also on Stitcher. You can stream it from MetalheadsPodcast.com. And if you would, please go on to iTunes or even on YouTube. Just leave us a comment. You know, give us some stars. Tell us how great we are. Tell us how shitty we are. Whatever you gotta do. But, you know, let us hear you. But more importantly also, again, for joining us, we hope to make this a regular thing.

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Jay, check out his band Catatonic Society. Definitely. I'll tell you right now, on the air, anytime you invite me, I'm going to be there. And if you just want to say we invite you every week, I'm going to be here every week. We invite you every week. Before we go, I should note, it's going to be really busy in the coming weeks. This is probably our only April podcast. I'm going to be in Orlando next week, as I think I mentioned. And then I think the week after that, Buke is out of town. So it'll be May. And of course, with

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May's busy, but there's a lot of concerts. There's M3, there's Death Fest. So, you know, we're going to try and do what we can. At least we're giving you a long freaking episode. We'll be back as soon as we can be. And myself, George, and now Jay, we're emailing and texting every day almost, like old friends. So, when we're back, we'll hit you with a bunch of content. Yep. I'm the one with a baby. I'm the one you should be postponing these episodes. You know, life happens.

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You gotta do what you gotta do Yep So, alright, well, we're gonna get outta here now And before we go, we're gonna play you another song from Sonus Mortis This is the album's title track, War Prophecy We'll see you next time

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The mind is full, it's key has been teeth, so I don't know the man to tower, it can't lead to fear to death, the mind is not a vessel, they can't be cut out when a night seems tense as a heart, let it both collide. Reaching fear, combining our might, it's racing hope,

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She is waiting for my soul inside

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Deadly much so she resided

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Lifting up like a malice night

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Waiting on a new paradise, she is pushing me away Towards the age of darkness, I invite me away So broken as no island

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The dungeon of darkness,

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You may struggle upon your mind,

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You lose your love,

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Don't turn up the sunlight,

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You may lose control,

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You may be feeling it all,

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Rejecting

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I'm finding your