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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dome. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George. And this is Buke. And this is Jay. And we are here today with John Batiste and Albert Bourne of Yesterday's Saints. How are you guys doing today? Doing good. How are you doing? Yeah. Enjoying a nice D.C. Brown hair with you guys. Exactly. It's a pleasure, guys. That's how we roll. Cheers again. And Jay's holding up his imaginary glass right now. Since he's from the Bay Area, probably Earl Grey Tea. It's his lunch beer. It's his lunch beer. Also, I'm not wearing any pants.

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It's a good thing we can't see right now. Who says that we're wearing pants? You only see above the table. Exactly. All right. So we've got these guys are actually our first guests in the studio. So thank you for that. Of course. Usually I don't have to look you in the eye when I ask you strange questions. So it'll take a little getting used to. But just to start things off for anybody out there that hasn't heard of you guys. You guys are from the DC.

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and just tell us a little bit about yesterday's Saints yesterday's Saints were a band we started around 2010 summer wit the guitarist and I the drummer Albert got together from the disarray of another band and we liked what we did I'm sorry without a band that we would have seen around the area possibly was a band called above the altar going around for a couple years and that band

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and disbanded or we left, quit, got fired, however you want to call it. But we wrote really well together. So we hooked up eventually with Matt and another bass player prior to John. And within, I don't know, four months, we were playing our first show, full set, and took off from there, go down the road a little bit. We found John, and now everything's pretty magical. We've written our first full-length album, and we're here sitting with you today.

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That album is called Generation of Vipers. I'm gonna tell you right now if you don't own this yet you better fucking go get it. It is killer. Hey, I got a informational question here. I was looking at your Facebook page and listening to your stuff and everything and I'm wondering where you guys how you came up with the name of your band. Oh, that's a short one of Matt's old bands before he I guess came up here. Yeah, I mean, it's a short but long story. Originally we were gonna be called something else.

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And I was totally against it. It was basically a cover band that Matt had been in before. That band disbanded. He had a bunch of merch. The idea of how the songs were writing and everything made sense with the name, but I kind of wanted to just start something from scratch.

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Eventually all the other guys won me over and I was like, you know, actually it is kind of a cool name. It's a little different than Bloodbath and Glory or Warmonger. You're not the beast of... Exactly, exactly. Catatonic Society. Five word band names that are out now. I wanted Farm Animal Hammer. That's going to be my side project someday. I have to ask you guys that when you

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When you come into a band that already has an established history like this, did it take a while before you could say, "Hey, I do have a voice here"? Or was Matt pretty cool saying once you were brought on? You do have a say. Yesterday's Saints, as it is now, has nothing to do with Matt's previous band. It is a completely new entity. It could be called Dead Dogs or something like that. It's completely unrelated. It's a totally new band. We just assumed the name.

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If somebody before would have seen that name before, then to seeing it now. It's not the same band at all. Sort of like Sepultura. Not even. But even for me though, when I joined in early 2013, for me it was a while before I actually felt, even though they said, hey, we want you in the band, you're in it now, it was still a while before me to actually be able to really contribute some of my ideas.

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It just makes sense. Metallica has Rob. You're the Rob of Yesterday's Saints. You came in a bass player a little bit. They probably hazed him for a little bit. Feel out the ropes. Then you can start getting a little input into everything. Unless he's the Jason Neustad, in which case he doesn't get to do shit. I don't think I do more than Jason. Speaking of contributing things, who writes the lyrics? Who writes the music? Is it a group thing?

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I mean I think the way I feel like Matt he's he's the one who really comes up with the lyrics and he kind of comes up with it's almost like a movie it seems like it's like he has like a storyboard idea of where he wants to go with the album or the writing and kind of gives us a little general ideas like I'm kind of thinking this style for this this this and then usually it's what wait'll come up with a bunch of different riffs and I mean we all contribute our own parts but I think like Matt's really lyrics with mostly the riffs I mean you and Albert comes up with

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There's definitely some rhythm patterns for us to come up like to play along with. I don't know we all really kind of feed off each other but I think those two really... That's good. That's healthy. Yeah. John adds more than he thinks but... Yeah. You know when you say you've got like an idea and you say you kind of want it to be like this style I don't know if the guys told you I'm in a band and I write a lot for our band and I take no shame without it being a ripoff and saying like this has got to be kind of a diary of a man-man type thing. You know what I mean? Like without... I wonder if you guys

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make references to the style of songs like that. Like, this should move along like the Trooper or something.

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Oh yeah, definitely.

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What do you mean?

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I mean, I think all bands tend to do that. You're like, "Oh, we want this to have kind of an Amon Amarth type feel. We want this one to be a little more brutal, Nile kind of feeling."

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Has anyone told you guys you kind of had a, and this is an amazing compliment, because I'm a fan of their drummer, a Nevermore type of sound?

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Yes, yes.

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Yes, yes. He's one of the best drummers around, if you ask me. I think you're very similar. Thank you. You're amazing. Very similar to Van. Van Williams. Yeah, Van, yeah. We just interviewed Matt Barlow on a couple of episodes ago. That is a tremendous vocal. And Van joined Matt in Ashes of Aries now. Well, it's funny you mention that, because I'm pretty sure Wit was going through a Nevermore phase while we were writing Generation of Vipers. He was all about Nevermore and the Jeff Loomis projects that he did. So I think that definitely helped.

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The funny thing is, I never really listen to Nevermore.

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Really?

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No. And people say that all the time. I'm like, I like him, I guess I've heard him in passing maybe on Liquid Metal.

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Of course.

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Or if John's got it playing in his car or something, but I don't own Nevermore.

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Is there somebody then you as a drummer who was your influence then, if you say you were influenced by somebody?

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Because prior to the podcast, the cool thing about having you guys in here, you guys are actually my two favorite people in a group, the bass player and the drummers.

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The guys that hold everything together.

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The guys who hold everything.

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Exactly.

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In more ways than one.

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Yeah.

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The structure.

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The structure, the glue.

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Who were your guys' musical influences?

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If you maybe had a favorite drummer, a favorite bassist.

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You can go first.

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Okay.

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I'm a big influence for me growing up listening to the metal was definitely Tony

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Choi and Steve DiGiorgio.

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Those two fucking blew my mind.

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I don't try to stick with just metal. I'm a big fan of Stanley Clark, Victor Wooten. I like to go all over the place, but definitely metal-wise it's those two. Was the bass the first instrument you picked up? No, but it's the one I wanted to. I started on tuba back in the day. If the roots ever need a tuba player or something. Then I switched to guitar.

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Some buddies of mine were like, "We want you to play bass here." And then just handed me a bass and then it just took off from there. I tried that. It didn't work out. Yeah, I used to play some buddies. We were trying to put a band together and we're like, "We bought a bass for our friend and said, 'Here, you're gonna be our bass player.'" He like picked it up and went, "Plink, Plink." Eh, whatever. Stuck it in the corner. Can't give him every opportunity. Yeah. So that didn't work out. I, if you know, on prior episodes we've talked like, "I'm a big hockey fan."

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I'm a huge Caps fan. Hopefully we win tomorrow. What happened last night? Oh, God. I was hoping we weren't going to bring it up. Wasn't one of the goals because he slid in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I used the hockey as a reference going forward because all the years and all the games I watched, good defensive play is still hard for me to see unless I see a big crushing check.

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with metal, what's good bass playing? Because I just hear good bass now. I'm like, man, that's pretty cool. I mentioned earlier the Job for a Cowboy album from last year. Amazing bass work because, like I said, they moved the bass to the front. It blew me away in one of my top five albums of the year last year. What is it for you when you hear that you're like, man, because I can hear drumming and I can hear a sick solo and I'm like, man, that melted my face. What is the bass version of that? It's a lot of the tone, really, for me. Is it the tone? Yeah.

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I mean you don't have to be too crazy technical with it as long as it's coming through and the tone is there and it's just fucking meaty like I'm totally down for that what do you think about people that their bass parts they're just following the guitar um I don't have a problem with that because I actually do that quite a lot with yesterday's things um in other words those people are geniuses yes we are um no I mean um I don't think it degrades the like the I don't know I don't know how to describe it but like

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Being a bass player, I don't think it degrades you in any way. Just makes the song heavier. Yeah. I like the whole following but then knowing when to venture off and do your own thing. Whether it's still just doing simple stuff or if you're going crazy doing some tapping or sweeping with it or slap. Is Steve Harris your god? Nobody probably should be. Exactly.

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and Orion. They're doing all this classical type guitar stuff going on. Until I read the Cliff Burton book last year, I never really stopped and listened to the bass line in that. And he's doing some crazy shit back there that's just off in his own. I was like, wow. Actually, you know, George, too, until I read the liner notes, and I don't know why it took me so long to do it, I didn't realize which of those leads on that song are bass leads. Because they don't really sound like bass leads, they sound like guitar.

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I think one thing I really like with bass and we tend to push JB to do it is for him to have his own voice and play different parts versus the guitar. I mean, I love it when the guitar and bass are locked in, but JB's got such a huge talent set that we try to push him to come up with some creative lines underneath or walking bass lines while Witt's playing some thick chords and just to give it,

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That dynamic feeling, especially since we only have one guitar and one bass player, really try to fill it out and make everything have its voice. Sometimes John and I will just lock in with bass and drums. Wit and Matt will be doing something different. Then we all meet together for four measures or something like that. I really get into that when there's just that interplay going back and forth. Right on. Hey, I want to hear some drum influences, too. We didn't get that. Yeah, I was going there next. Good job, Jake. Good job.

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I just sit in a rabbit hole all the time and listen to nothing. Wow. You gotta have somebody. I'm influenced by me. I just listen to the squirrels hit their nuts in the tree. Because you know a lot of people would say like Gene is one of the best bass players around. Okay so growing up I mean my hugest influence was Dave Lombardo. I mean I'm sure a lot of drummers. Lombardo and I mean that's where you know I started developing all my speed and

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Just a nice compliment to give him. He hasn't come off as crazy as Dave Lombardo seems to be recently. Hey man, don't be driving on Dave. When I heard, when you hear Dave Lombardo back in his glory days, when he's just playing super fast 16ths or 30 seconds and just laying on the ride versus the hi-hat and stuff and just going like that. That's getting me turned on. Stop right there.

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And the ride and everything is just locked in so tight. I remember when I first heard that, I'm like, I'm going to do that someday. You know, when I was a kid, man, I don't know. I really don't know how old you guys are, but I remember when there was this video of VHS cassette. George probably had it that came out like in the 80s. And it was called The Ultimate Revenge. At least you didn't say Betamax. Oh, yeah. Actually, they were fighting it out at this time. But it was called The Ultimate Revenge.

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It was Slayer Exodus and Venom, a live show. And I watched it, and I was already a huge Slayer fan. I watched it a million times, but watching Dave Lombardo was insane. I can still picture some of the specific ways he moved. He's just such a natural. The guy's fucking insane. He's so good. Have you seen that video, George? I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it. I've got to check that out. I haven't seen it. It's on YouTube in full, so you can just watch. It's called The Ultimate Revenge. Just look on YouTube.

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It's a full Exodus set, a full Slayer set. Totally kickass. The ultimate revenge. Do you guys find yourself going to shows and focusing on your guys' respective instruments? Yeah. I mean, but... You try to like, hey, you guys try and stat yourself. Hey, stupid. Enjoy the whole show, you know? I mean, I'm a sound guy too. Oh. And sound engineer. We'll talk about that when we talk about Jax. So I, I mean, I do listen to the guitar and bass and vocals. You know, I just like a really good mix, but of course I definitely listen

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to more drums. I mean that's the first thing I'm listening for and then after I'm burnt out on honing in on the drums and I listen to the bass and guitar and vocals. Yeah, I'd have to say the same for me. I'm always, whether I'm listening to a new album, it's always going straight for the bass. I'm not intentionally doing it and it's just the one thing that just stands out. When I watch football, I played center. I always watch the center. Even though he quickly snaps the ball on the blocks, my eyes are going there every play. It used to be that the only albums I would

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was if it had a good drummer and he had to be fast and he had to be able to play a fast double bass. And if the drummer couldn't do that, it wasn't in my collection. I mean, I was that... I mean, I've since gone over that and I'll listen to single kick drummers. Okay, we finally have a drummer here before me and I can ask this question. What do you think of Neil Peart going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on? Some people are going to hate me for this, but I've never been a Neil Peart fan. Never. Save for me.

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I've had friends that are huge. How can you not like him? Well, it was a good podcast. Let's get... Okay, you know, I think... Can I finish my piece? I think he's a creative drummer and has some great ideas and stuff, but I never felt it. I never, you know, where other drummers I'll listen to, I'm just like, I mean, I just want to jump in the pit right now. Just take me. Yeah. Yeah. What about like Gene Hoagland? Big fan. I've gotten hung out with him a few times.

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I have you really great drummer super cool dude Nick Barker Nick Barker so so fan I can't say I'm a huge fan but some of his drumming is you know phenomenal and really fast he looks like George more current drummers that that you know bigger influence to me is probably be like George Klyas from Niall or Derek Roddy when he was in hate eternal those guys and some of their foot technique is amazing and and that's probably where I just

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I play straight forward, heel up. When I get going with the faster stuff, I'll start to swivel and that's a little bit more like what George Colias will do. As far as when I get blasting, it's probably a little bit more, it starts with wrist and as it gets faster, a little molar and then a lot of fingering. That will lead me into my next thing. Does black metal interest you? Because I ask because black metal

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What do you know to me? When they get into that blast beat the whole time. Wait, wait, wait. Go back a second, dude. Do that blast beat again. That was weird. I have a big tongue. It's boring to me. When they get into it, they settle in and it starts in and then you know it's going to come every song, the same blast beat. Here's my thing. If you listen to our album as you have, I like to blast, but I don't do it forever because I get bored of it.

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I like to mix it up. I love to play fast. I mean, there's double bass all over the album. But I like to mix it up, throw different patterns in, different stuff with my cymbals and ride, blast for a little bit, reverse it, turn it on its head, slow down for a little bit, put some 6.8, but just still keep it driving. Give people a bit of a roller coaster.

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I would tell it to George and Jay's that heard me, you know, and every listener on the show here, that's just my one thing getting in the way of black metal. The blast beating in that, those classic growly vocals in black metal. What about Frost? Yeah, you're right. He's a good drummer. He is. He is. I can't deny that they're not amazing drummers. It's just boring. Anyway, now my house is, I'm going to go home, my house is going to be burnt down right now. There's some exceptions to the rule, though. I think, you know,

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If you think of black metal as a whole, it's easy to find a lot of bands that that's all they do. Sure. And it can get really boring. But once in a while, you find a gem that's like, oh. Anytime there's something good, you know, a new sub-genre or whatever comes along, there's the pioneers that are doing really interesting stuff. And then there's all the people that come after and that are just copying that, aping it, mediocre. And that's what you're talking about, really, is... Cookie cutter.

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They're like, oh, it's good enough that we're just playing blast beats from beginning to end and that's it. I mean, we certainly like to throw some black metal-esque type things in there and with some of his thick cording and dissonance and stuff like that. I was at Fairwinds Brewing Company last night. How was that? That was good. Our friend Will was hosting sort of an evening with King Giant where they got to play their new album, Black Ocean Waves.

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for everybody as well as partake of some Black Ocean Waves beer that Will was brewing. And I was talking to Matt, the singer for Yesterday's Saints, and I was talking to him about his vocals on the album and how what really, that I really loved about this album when I heard it was, it was sort of his two different styles of singing. He's got these really great clean vocals, which are sort of reminiscent of Nevermore. But then he's got these harsher vocals that go along with that, that are just fucking, they're not like black metal brutal,

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But they're pretty fucking brutal. And I love that, you know, the transition between these two styles of singing along with, you know, some cleaner music and heavier music. It's not a lot of people do that. I mean, they may do this or they may do that. But to find all of this on one album was what really excited me about the album. So, yeah, I was going to point out vocally, too, that one of the things I like was that there's so many places where the vocals are unadorned. You didn't throw a lot of, you know, EQ on there and a lot of places and stuff.

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It adds this extra kind of raw bravery. You know what I mean? I dig that, man. When we were in the studio, there were parts where we had opportunities to layer and thicken it up. And we did in some spots. But other parts were like, you know what? Let's leave it intimate and raw. Yeah, that works, man. Keep the power there. When Matt sings, he usually likes to sing in that character, if that makes sense. So that's why this album, Loosely or Tightly,

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based on the story of Cain and creation and the fallen rise of civilization. There's a lot of different characters within that and the Bible and references to that. So Matt takes on those different characters and tries to sing as if he were that person and take on that emotion. So that's how you hear that banter. Maybe there's a couple different characters in the album. Or maybe it's the same character and he goes from being angry

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to Triumph and to Sad. And we worked on that a lot in the studio on taking on different voices. And Matt on his own, he'd come to the studio. And that's really where we'd come in and John Witt and I would go, that's really cool. And we're like, eh. Let's try something else. You know, I gotta tell you, that eh, is pretty painful, man. When we were recording our record and I was singing, there was a point where the guys didn't even come when I was singing. Which was great.

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And then there was a point where the engineer stopped, he was a real nice guy, a friend of ours, and he said, he just looked at me and I said, yeah, I'm like, well, you don't like it, man? He said, I'm just trying to figure out why you sang that note there. He's telling you nicely that he doesn't like it. I like that one. I'm going to have to say that. Terribly insulting. It was sort of like I'm trying to figure out what it's like to be you, man. Make those kinds of choices.

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Once you explain it, it might make sense. Yeah, thematically, it sort of reminded me a little bit of like Iced Earth, Burnt Offerings era, kind of, you know, because they've got like the Dante's Inferno thing, and that whole, you know, relatively biblical kind of thing. It was pretty cool. And I was also going to mention the fact that it was a concept album, and I was going to ask you to talk about that, but you sort of did that already.

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Obviously.

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Awesome.

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But just to point that out in case nobody caught that.

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Yeah, and hats off to you guys for coming straight out of the box.

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I can try to.

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But that's cool, man. I'm coming straight out of the box with a concept record. Ballsy. And very cool.

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Well, you know, when we did the... at first, I guess we all weren't sure about doing a concept album because it just seemed too rigid.

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I think it was almost what we were... half the songs written before we really decided it was going to be a concept album.

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Right, right.

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And then we tried to shoehorn a couple songs into the concept and it just didn't work. There's a couple songs that we really liked that didn't make the cut just because they didn't fit into how the concept was going along. But some of the greatest artists will paint something and then rip it up or throw it away and then they come up with something even better. And I think that worked for us. And definitely Frankenstein, some riffs here and there.

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It's like, okay, now we have two songs left. What are we going to do? Okay, we've got to come up with something just totally badass and brutal. And as it is, it's like 70 minutes long. Yeah, a long record. We could have made it longer. We could make it even longer. You hear about bands, I guess, when their time has already run its course and they should have ended it years back, but you hear them going into the studio and fighting and stuff like that. Was there any time in the studio or before then, writing leading up to it?

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When you were so passionate about something that this is fucking making it in the song, but he was like, massacre. You know, they're like, no, it's, we're pleasantly telling you. You're saying Albert, Albert, stop that right there. You know, the hi-hat, let's take it off that part. Was there anything you really fought for? And you're like, listen, motherfucker, this is making it in this fucking song. They're laughing because they're probably the truth. I'm sure. Everything went. I think they're laughing. Everything went.

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Yeah, because the blood that aren't even shed days earlier. I mean, we still had some of those moments. Not that big of a moment. I would say in the writing process, the song that could have broke the band up if we weren't all as good of friends as we are, Follow the Ancients, the first song on the album. We had already written, I believe, Kane's Agony and

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We're writing "Follow the Ancients" and before Matt had heard it, we had decided this is badass. Nothing needs to be changed. This is absolutely perfect. We're just jonesing about this song and then Matt comes in and he's like, "Eh, I don't like it." And we're like, "This is done. This is so badass." And then we listen to Matt and he comes in.

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I hadn't joined the band yet. This was before I was any part. And then Matt leaves and I'm like... And then we worked on it again. What do you think of this? Eh. So this happened a few times. It was about ready to throw us a guitar. I'm ready to throw our thumb sticks. But we were like, you know, we knew what we wanted to get out of it. So I can't remember exactly if we decided to...

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set this aside for a little bit, work on some new stuff. And then, John, did you come along and then you helped us button up the rest of the song? No, Fall in the Angels was completely done before I joined. Maybe the end part, though. The very end? No, we were doing it. You could see he's trying to distance himself from that. I had nothing to do with this. But, you know, we've been together for a while, and we learned how to listen to each other. Okay.

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And whether it's good or bad, we learned not to be insulted when somebody doesn't like something else artistically. And that's how we made it through this whole album. Of course there are times that even in the studio we're like, "No, this needs to be louder. No, this needs to be quieter." After a while you just got to sit back and listen to everything as a whole and trust our engineer that he's going to mix it so that everything sounds good.

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Society and you guys in Yesterday's Saints have these new albums out. They're out there on the internet. On social media, I can type up a tweet in five seconds and bash you guys. Do you think they also kind of helped you guys to realize, hey, if somebody doesn't like this album somewhere, okay. I think that's good. Because if everyone loved it 100%, something would be up. Yeah. Because not everybody likes everything. Yeah. Well, even if somebody's going out there either bashing us or writing a bad review about the album, they still took the time to listen to our album.

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and to actually say something so that other people can see it and then they can actually make the choice for themselves whether they want to hear it or not.

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That's the "there's no bad press" kind of thing.

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Exactly.

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There's new albums out that are getting 10 out of 10 reviews that I'm like, eh.

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But other people are like, "Oh, have you heard this? This is so amazing!"

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Like this guy with the Tripp to Cut an album last year.

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Hey, but alternately, I have bought records before when I read a review and I knew the reviewer and I had different tastes and he was savage in an album and I've thought, "I should totally buy that. That sounds like something I'd like."

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Because you know what he hates you like, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's all so subjective that, you know, it's kind of pointless to argue with somebody about, you know, oh, no, this band is good. No, they suck. You know, you like what you like. And, you know, you just got to find what you like. And I think there's different levels of bands and where they're at. And, you know, albums, you know, some are just, you know, garage recordings, some are demos, some are EPs, some are full length, but, you know, still kind of in the, in the,

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and you have to have maybe a different ear for that where the band is and people have different tolerances of what they're capable of listening to and understanding what the scope of the band is. There can be some punk albums that sound like crap but people love them just because of what it is and what it represents. I've had so many albums that like I've heard them and I've been like wow I hate that and then years later I'll come back to it and

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through experience and life, whatever, I come back to it and I love it. And I'm like, why didn't I like this before? And it's just, and so I hesitate to bash anything too hard because it may just be that I just, I'm not ready to understand this sound yet. I think that also has to do with like, I guess, like your age and everything. Like when I was younger, like when I really got into metal, I was like, it can only be metal. Like none of this new metal bullshit. Like I was like, no slipknot, none of this. But now I kind of go back and I'm like,

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It's pretty bad-ass shit right there. I was like... Yeah, I think you just kind of get... Easy listening. I'm like... Yeah! I think you get stuck into this little trend of one style, and you just stick with it. And then as you get older, you kind of just realize, well, I was dumb. I mean, just open my horizons and kind of get a bigger view of everything. Yeah, like neurosis was one that back in the 90s, I was like, neurosis fucking sucks! And I would tell anybody that would listen, I hated neurosis. And then, you know,

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And I'm like, you know, I really should go back and listen to Neurosis. And I'm like, holy shit, Neurosis is awesome! They toured here five times, I missed them! So it's like, in the 90s, I just wasn't ready for it. But if you went to a live show, you probably would have hated it back then and ripped on it completely. Probably. But it's just funny how it comes around and your tastes have changed. Which, we'll lead us into our next question about playing live.

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You guys had a big show this past weekend at Empire. Yep. Yeah, or Jack's final show. It's always gonna be Jack's. Yeah, this will be Jack's us too. I've lived here in the DC area my whole life. I've been going there with George. We've been best friends close to 15 years or something like that. We've been going for 15 years. We've been to hundreds of shows. Does anyone know when that place originally opened? It wasn't like Cabana or something. Well, I was on the Copa or something.

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I thought it was mid 90's actually.

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Mid 90's?

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Yeah like 94 or something like that.

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A good 30 years it's been around.

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How was the vibe there?

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20.

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That was crazy.

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It was packed.

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It was packed.

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I don't know how many, maybe like 400 plus people maybe.

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I heard there were a lot of bands there.

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Eight.

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In fact I heard you guys got really shafted.

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You only got like a 15 minute set or something like that?

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Yeah we got to do three songs.

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But we weren't the only one thing. Without pointing fingers and trying to be nice and everything. No, don't be nice. Well, okay. Because George and I aren't going to be nice about that. I'm not. So it was obvious that the normal staff wasn't working. I think a couple of bartenders were there. But the sound guys and everything, it wasn't the normal crew. That skinny white guy with the ponytail who was always smoking the pack a day. I remember that guy. Oh, yeah, he wasn't there. But the sound guy, I guess, was his second show running sound there and everything.

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And you on stage being a sound guy. I think he's a good sound guy. I think he knows what he's doing, but he's not used to the time schedule of running so many bands and everything. And I saw a problem and I was like, you know, this guy needs help. So I was basically setting up drums and mics for all the opening bands. You pretty much roadied. I roadied hardcore because I wanted to make sure that we got our whole set because there's been a couple other shows there where, you know, we've had to cut a song or technical difficulties. And I'm like, let's just make sure we're on stage on time.

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And he got everything back on schedule the way it was supposed to be. The first band started like 10 minutes behind and then it was just getting worse and I got everything back on schedule. I'm like, dude, mics are hooked up, ready to go. And then the band before us gets on. They took a little extra time to get everything going. It sounded like there were some technical difficulties and then they were supposed to stop. The sound guy said stop. And they ended up playing another extra song.

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The sound got even turned off. The sound for the whole last song and they kept playing for like another five minutes. So... Was that Iris Divine? I think so. But you know, they may have not known. You know, I don't... I think when you're on stage, you get into this groove and you're like, okay, we know our set's this long. So I'm not putting blame on them. That's kind of the stage manager's responsibility to go up and go, okay, hey, you're done. So I'm not putting any blame on them. I think it's just how the show is going. Right. But...

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Nobody cared. I think some people cared in the crowd, but people were there for the ambiance and everything. We ended up starting, we didn't get on stage until 10 minutes after we were supposed to be. So we were already in a time deficit. So we had to cut a song. Then the line to my kick never got fixed. In metal, the one line that needs to be working is your kick. So he came up halfway through the second.

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There's probably somebody in the crowd being like, man, this sounds awesome. I wiggled the cable. I'm like, sounds a little bit like St. Anger. The line needs to be changed. They just went back up and kept running sound for the last song. So I just hit a little. You know what? I bet there's probably some guys still today being like, something was missing. I can't put my finger on it. My legs were a little sore at the end of the set. I just hit a little harder and stuff. But I think people still loved it. Oh, it was crazy.

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I dove out to the crowd after the show. We were banging our heads. When stuff like that happens, you just have to pretend everything's okay and give people a show. People are there for the show. Jay, for those of you, we mentioned it last week, and Jay had even told us when we heard the news that it was closing that he had actually heard of the nightclub. As someone who's lived in the metro area my whole life, are you guys both from here? Lived here your whole life? No. Not you? I am. He's not. Jax has always been, for the mid-2000s, they had like

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It kind of went Spanish for a period of time. Remember that? Oh yeah. They're kind of, you know, they're, you know, just bringing some trumpets. The tuba. There you go. I remember I used to go to the website and check to see what was coming up and I was like, Latin dance fest. Let's do this. Yeah, but Jackson and Empire was always our one true metal club. Yes, you know, you had bars in D.C.

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We stopped going there. But it was always our little, I don't know, it was always our little metal haven. It was. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Jake. The whole time that you were telling the story about the sound guy, I was just picturing you when somebody comes up to you and introduces themselves and says, yeah, hi, I'm the sound guy. This is my second day.

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I knew him as being he was I think the bouncer before and I'm like oh he's running sound okay.

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He was the cook before that.

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I mean he's a cool dude I mean nothing against him I think he has his own studio and everything he's not used to the live environment and it was I think originally it was supposed to be four or five bands and then since it was the last night it got turned up to eight bands that you know each band had a really quick changeover.

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And you know how it goes. You have to be an experienced engineer and an experienced stage guy to be able to flip those bands really quick and keep them on time. But so, you know, George and I, I've seen, I saw, I'm a huge Opeth fan. They're my favorite band. There you go, Jay. Ring the bell again. You know I'm keeping track. I've seen Opeth for the first time George and I saw. We've seen hundreds of bands there. Every single band we've wanted to see, we saw there. So we have great memories of the bands coming through, but as a venue,

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I'm sorry it was a horrible venue it wasn't you know they never opened on time the sound was always horrible I've never understood as a fan walking into a venue why you want to hit your fans with the sound cranked up all the way to where you can't hear anything but that's my take on it I wanted to know you guys your experience I mean I love the place just because of how personal it was to be with the bands and I have many stories like I saw Philly Anselmo with Super Joint Ritual

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Inches from him. Yeah, like four or five different times, but it's not even that like while they're playing it's the opportunity of actually getting to meet some of these guys after the show because because of how small it is compared to some of these bigger venues these bands are probably used to playing like where you can literally just walk outside and hey, there's the tour bus and there they are just like outside smoking a cigarette or some shit. Yeah, remember when we went to the in flames show the infamous sentenced show and we left that show and we walked out front and there's a singer for dark tranquility on his cell phone

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You know, bitching at somebody. He's like, dude! He is human. When you go to all these other venues, you guys are in the backstage area, you're away from everybody else. It's not nothing like that. It's a little more personable for the fans. When we're playing, I kind of like to make the crowd feel like they're a part of the show. Make it personal for them. Give them that memory. I'd like to suggest to you guys, too, that you've got a real street crowd opportunity here. What you need to tell people is,

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When they ask you about your band and they ask you to describe you, just say, you know that Club Jacks? After we played there, they had to close that motherfucker. We're going to have to use that one. We tore it up. Turned it into a kebab, please. Apparently, we played Tuesday night at the Pinch in D.C. and I think we blew the P.A. because by the time Wretched got on, there was no P.A. always.

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That's what Manoward is, right? Man! That's awesome, guys. Eric, do you have any memories of the place? It's kind of a love-hate thing with Jax. As a fan, you hate it, but then you love it. I've been there, you know, some amazing memories in shows where you're just blown away. Everything sounds great. That's rare. I've experienced that once. You know, it's funny. In the years that we've been going there, you really were not particularly

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as you have been in the last couple weeks. I mean, we'd always be like, yeah, the sound wasn't that great tonight. Or, you know, oh, they made me stand in January freezing cold in a t-shirt for two hours waiting for Blind Guardian. You know, fuck you guys. Sunday was the coup de grace, you know, packed house, terrible sound. But nobody seemed to care because you just wanted to be there, get drunk, hang out and have a great time. Yeah. And enjoy the last bands that were there. And as I

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I think putting on a show and involving the fans and just making it an event and a show is extremely important. This is not Jax. We're going to do a transition here. Jax, goodbye. Go along. Hit the fucking road. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. For us in this area, we'll have to drive private to Baltimore or DC for more shows. In fact, you guys are going to be playing a show here in Frederick.

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Yes. And a couple months, right? In June. June 30th. The fucking lineup is amazing. I know. Crowbar, Battlecross. I'm super excited about Battlecross. Lord dying. Yeah, Battlecross, you better get your beard game on, Albert. I know. The guys from Battlecross are going to give you room for a fair amount of money. Now you can't shave it. Yes, I know. Yes, you can't shave it. He's been talking about shaving it. I've been talking about shaving it for like two months and these guys. We're not going to let it happen. The band is like, no, no. Battlecross's beard game is strong. Yeah.

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Well, I got my ticket already. And Warbringer. George and I saw Warbringer. I love Warbringer. George and I interviewed the lead singer, John, at Cafe 611 a couple years back. You got to let me take this one. Go ahead. I talked to Matt about this last night, and you probably weren't there. Were you there? Did you play the Warbringer show? Yes. We went to the Warbringer show, because that's what he was talking about. We went there, and we interviewed John Keeble of Warbringer. And, you know, we knew Warbringer. We knew Lazarus AD, Landmine Marathon.

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And Diamond Plate. But then there was this other band opening up that we didn't have anything about. I remember that show. And I was like, I don't know who they are, but they're kind of good. And I was actually reading my review of the show the other day, because I went back and I wanted to reference it to see if I knew what I said. Hopefully it wasn't like, man, these guys suck ass. But no, I was like, I don't know who this first opening band was, but they're pretty awesome. So whoever you are, good job. And I recognized Matt.

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George and I have seen him at like 60 shows. Yeah, yeah, and like it shows after that we would see him and go hey, it's that guy from that band. Matt puts his face out there wherever he can in the metal scene. And then when I finally like got locked into you guys, I was like, it's that guy. And then I was like, I wonder. And I was like, I bet that was yesterday's Saints and I just didn't know who it was. And so I asked him last night and he was like, yeah, that was us.

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I was like that's bad ass. That's pretty cool. Awesome. It was. Well, you know, Warbringer, I've known them, those guys for a while. They've even stayed at my house. Are you serious? Yeah. We're so glad that they're still going. Cause I remember for a while there, things were a little rocky. Have you ever heard of the band Epicurean? I've heard the name. So, uh, they are friends of mine. I am originally from Wisconsin. Okay. And Minnesota. Hey, I'm from Wisconsin too. Shout out. Woo. Where are you from? Uh, Madison. Me too. Well, I was born in Madison. I live in a little town called

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Oh, totally know where that is. Wow, look at this. Bringing them together. Look at this. Michigan for the Midwest. Michigan. No, I miss it. You know, the Midwest is great. Then I moved to Minneapolis, and one of the bands I became friends with was Epicurean. John Gensmer is a drummer, phenomenal drummer, and him and I became fast friends. And then I moved out to Virginia. His band started touring, so every time they'd come through, they'd stay at our house, and Epicurean

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I'm a big video game guy.

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So you know in your head before you meet these bands or artists in your head you think you you think they're so badass tough guys and stuff John spent the whole day playing Starcraft on his laptop the metalheads are just a bunch of nerds it's great I love it exactly like John got finished with the interview he's like okay you guys done so I'll be going inside the venue he's sitting there just playing Starcraft like four hours that's cool you know he brings them kind of down the R level you got like what Trey Azizov or something yeah yeah he's big doom fan has his own level that you can like download

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It's crazy. It's cool. Hey, can I ask you a sound question? This is, I ran into German tourists yesterday at work, and it got me thinking about Wacken. Wacken. Yeah, Wacken. I always say it wrong. Wacken. About Wacken, whatever. You know I butcher words here. You being a sound guy, is something like that, when you get it set up, is it a challenge? Or is that like, eh, on the outside it appears like it's hard to set up and run sound for a huge festival of that size.

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Or is it no different than running it for a Jax? The end of the day, once you get the system set up and tuned, that's the hardest part is tuning it and making sure if there's a ton of speakers, sometimes you've got to put time delay, you've got to get the line arrays and everything set up properly, make sure the balance between the subs and the mids and the highs are all good. Once you get it set up, it's like mixing at a smaller club. Really?

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"Turn the solos up and the solos are there." Backing harmonies. It's all kind of the same. Yeah, it's a little more advanced. Usually the bigger shows, you have huge digital boards and stuff, but the concept is the same. Why is it that bands, and I've always wondered this, it's probably an easy question, like, "Beak, you're an idiot if you don't realize this." Why do bands use their own sound guys? Why are bands what? Using their own sound guys. Is that because they know the songs at the back of their hand? Right. That's what I thought. They'll know when to turn up solos

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That was basically the Metalheads podcast question of what is a strike in baseball, you idiot. Or just how to EQ it and just how to get that sound. Sometimes it backfires because the sound guy doesn't know the system, doesn't know the board, and so you're just sitting there scrambling just to make it sound okay. You know, I have to say, with no disrespect to the sound man,

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over there in the room that if 50% of the metal shows I've been to are any proof, getting good sound is almost impossible. I think there's a sound man conspiracy sometimes. I can't tell you how many bands I've seen. I couldn't even hear the singer. I honestly think, and it's probably house sound guys like you're talking about. You know what I've found with a lot of sound guys is a lot of sound guys at a lot of venues don't really want to be sound guys.

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they've kind of fallen into that spot. Or risen, as with the guy at Jack's Washing the Dishes. Exactly. Me personally, I love running sound, but that's not what I really want to do. So I just pick up sound gigs here and there, and I know I can do a good job, and I could easily get a gig full-time at a club, but I don't want to do that. I want to play music, so let someone else do that. And usually sound guys are fallen musicians, guys that just couldn't, no disrespect to sound.

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There's some sound guys driving to work right now listening to this.

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Albert Thorne.

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Remember that scene from fucking Billy Madison?

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That's it.

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Your name is being written on the list right now.

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If you're a sound guy, I totally respect you.

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I know what you go through.

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But there are some sound guys that really don't want to do it, but they've just kind of fallen into it.

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Just like any other job you might get and it pays the bills and you're just doing it because that's what's going on.

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The only thing worse than a sound guy is a podcaster. I can't believe music's so all podcast. Unless you're Jay and then you do both. You start seeing a lot of bands bringing their own sound gear and mixing it and just feeding with all these new digital boards. You can bring your own monitor mix. You can bring your own and just feed the club. Go, okay, just turn it up. You just control the volume. That's not too far away. The other night I went to see Corpaclani.

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and Trollfest, the greatest fucking band in the universe. I don't know if you guys know. Yes, we played with them. You played with them? Yeah, Paganfest. They're fucking awesome, dude. I've never done this before, but I went up to the sound guy and said, dude, you're doing a fucking great job. It was like the best mix I've ever heard in a show. He just said, oh man, this is a nightmare. I'm in hell. We all say that.

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Hats off to the sound guys. Yeah, no, when you hear a good sound engineer, it pays to congratulate him. So the album's been out for a little while now. What kind of reception has it been getting from fans and people in general? I don't know, at least from our normal fans. Everybody's fucking loving it. We've had some pretty good sales internationally. We've had Belgium, Germany. I don't think we've had anything in the Far East yet. Have you got it reviewed anywhere?

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We had a ton of reviews and they're all in Outburn magazine. 10/10 in Outburn. Yeah. Right on. Lots of 4.5/5s, 9/10s. Did Metal Sucks do it? Yeah, I think Metal Sucks, Metal Injection, was it Metal Injection? No, I don't think Metal Injection did it. No, not yet. Fuckers. Yeah, I know. I don't think they're going to do it either. We've had some French sites and different foreign sites reviewing it. Everything's been extremely positive.

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When I read a review of our band and it's like four and a half out of five, that can be the most laudatory that I've ever read in my life, but the one thing they say, I'm like, these motherfuckers! I think we had one bad review. I don't remember where it was coming from, but I don't know, it was weird. The guy, it was kind of like every sentence, he was schizophrenic, where he's complimenting us, but then says, this is why it's bad. It was really weird. It was almost like he couldn't find anything bad

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But it was almost like a good but bad review. It's kind of like John, you know, it's great on the bass, but then, you know, his timing slips a little bit. It's like, oh, you're giving me compliments, then you're... But, I mean, we like that, you know, because if we had all 9 out of 10s or 10 out of 10s, it'd be like, you know, something's... Something is a miss. Too good to be true. Yeah.

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Did we just peek? Yeah, really. So before we get into the normal guts of the podcast, we just wanted to finish up with, you know, so what do you got? What's on the horizon? You got any tours coming up? Or, you know, what's next for Yesterday's Saints? Well, we have the Crowbar Battlecross show, definitely. Oh, in October with Arcona. Arcona and Winterhim. Is it Hellsot? Yeah, Hellsot's there, Winterhim. October 3rd, is it?

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2nd? 8th? I think it's the 8th. It's in October. We're going to find it out. After the break, we'll tell you the date. Tours? We're still trying to get some stuff worked out right now. Just trying to figure out dates. We all have our personal lives, so it's just trying to manage all that. We'll definitely be out there this summer some more. We don't want to spill the beans if we don't know what the beans are yet.

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We're actively working on you know a couple different angles on yeah that was one point that Matt Barlow brought up that in this day and age you know you're not going to get rich off doing this stuff but at least you can put out an album it can easily be exposed to thousands of people around the world and then when it works for you you guys can tour and play shows mm-hmm yeah when it works for you guys well I mean it also helps you know like whenever you play some of these bands with like playing small shows with these bigger bands that are touring you know it's just trying to get

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in with them, helping them out, and then they remember that, and then they will bring you along on some of the other things. Like some of their tours. They'll be like, we want these guys coming with us. Are you guys in a position to drop things and go on a national tour? If it came down to it? Yeah, to a certain extent. I mean, we all have day jobs or family. Because I'm missing, you guys are playing with Battlecross here. Those guys have been road dogs now. Oh, they're touring like all summer. Like two or three years. It seems like they tour like 300 days a year.

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Yeah, every time I see some posts, they're always on tour. Yeah, Baracross is always on tour. I think that's something, you know, if those opportunities happen, you know, it's like, oh, you can be on tour for six weeks, and, you know, when that happens, and we'll decide as a band, can we do that? Yeah. You know, how much are we getting paid? Can we afford it? Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. We're not saying no to anything at this point. Right on. Do you have any interesting stories from the road that you want to share before we move on?

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I don't know if some of them can be shared. Anything that won't get anybody in trouble? There were those two girls in Kansas once. I don't know. The first that comes to mind for me is when we were out with Iron Man recently. Oh, boy. When we were trying to get into Brooklyn and we were in stop and go traffic. Matt, we're sorry. Yeah, sorry, Matt.

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So we're stuck, we just crossed some bridge, I don't remember which one it was, but it's just slow-ass traffic, barely going five miles an hour. It was so close, but so far. You could almost touch the venue, but you had to go through 20 hours of traffic within a mile. Matt really has to take a piss.

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He's been holding it forever. And luckily he had brought this jug. Like a trucker. Yeah. A crawler. And I'm in the front seat with him. A wide mouth. And these guys went and up are in the back. And Matt's like trying so hard to get all the way over to the left lane. So that like nobody could see him do this.

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Like, I was a little worried there for a minute when you said you were steering, but we're cool.

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Talk about bonding.

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I know, right?

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That's the rules of the road.

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That's not the steering wheel.

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This is not a manual.

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It's in neutral.

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John keeps trying to pop the frickin' clutch.

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Anyway.

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Just feather it a little bit.

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You need to stop. That was terrible. I went too far. Just a little bit. So yeah, I'm steering the car and he's taking a piss and it is just taking forever. It's like the scene in Dumb and Dumber. It just keeps going and going. I mean, we're all laughing because of what the situation is and then we're laughing even harder because of how long it's taking him. Meanwhile, he's gassing and

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And then finally, it's like whenever you're feeling like a jug or a water bottle, you hear that sound of it like getting close to the top. I'm like freaking out like, I can hear this. This is gonna end badly soon. And finally he stops and he lifts it up and it's like maybe an inch from the top of being full.

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I think it was like a 40 ounce jug that I mean it had at least 25 30 ounces yeah it wasn't crazy I just feel bad for the people behind us that seem just poured out of the window you mean Whitney and I I was talking about the people with the car behind us but yeah you too people behind him are going must be Red Sox fans we did get a picture of the

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Oh, man.

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Well, thanks for sharing that.

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George, you got to go fill up the jug now?

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Actually, why don't we take a break and fill up the jug?

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Well, empty out and then refill.

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All right, we'll be right back.

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Awesome.

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So, hey, Jay, I've got a question for you.

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Oh, yeah.

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So, Madison, Wisconsin, how the heck did you get out to the Bay Area?

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What brought you up there?

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It's too long a story to tell, but it goes like this.

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It goes from Madison, Missouri, Arizona, New Mexico, Nebraska, California. What girl were you following? Or what place were you running from? His crap sheet is long. What girl were you following? My wife. Your wife, okay. The girl being a grateful dead. He was a deadhead. Yeah, right. Wisconsin, I have a soft place in my heart for him. It really is where I grew up.

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I saw Star Wars in and I still think of myself as a cheese head. I don't have the accent now. I've lived so many places I have what's called newscaster English. No accent. But yeah, Wisconsin's awesome. I still have a lot of relatives there. Do you still say bubbler? I do, dude, totally. And nobody ever knows what I'm talking about. We're the only state, I think, that says bubbler. Everybody else is fucking around. A water fountain. Oh! That you drink out of. Do you guys say bubbler? What? I remember when we moved to Missouri, I was in the third grade and I asked the teacher, like, where's the bubbler?

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僕は言うことができると聞きました

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"What the hell?" It's a pop! Yeah and then I moved here and I was like "soda" it was so weird "soda" soda pop! What is this, the 50's, you know. It's like a scoop of ice cream with that. Alright well I actually lied a little bit. Were not gonna get back into the main bit of the podcast first. I think we probably ought to play a song from Yesterday's Saints first. Right on. This is gonna be the song "Kane's Agony."

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So do you guys have anything you want to say about that before we get into that? It was written before I joined. I just loved us playing the song. I just really like it. Two deers in the headlights. Let me speed dial Matt here. I got to tell you, I went through and I'm the one that picked the two songs that I wanted to play on here. Tell me why you wanted Cane's Agony. That's the thing.

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It's almost fucking impossible for me to decide. I'm like, I literally sat down and started at the beginning of the album. I said, I'm going to listen to it all through one sitting and I'm going to figure out which two songs I want to play. And first song, I'm like, yep, definitely playing that one. Okay. Second song, man, I really dig those fucking choir vocals in the second track. I want to play that song. And every song I was just like, oh, it's got to be this one. And originally I had asked Matt, I was like, can I play three songs? Sure.

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He was kind of like, eh, just play two or play something off the EP. I was like, all right, I'm going a little crazy here. And so it was almost like Pin the Tail on a Donkey. I was just like, this one. And that's really what, not really, but I mean, Kane's Agony, it just stood out to me a little bit. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to play this one because it's fucking heavy. And then, well, I'll get to the other one later as to why I chose that.

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It's hard for me to decide what to play because it's all so good.

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Well, you know, Cain's agony is kind of, you know, Cain is one of the characters.

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Cain and Abel.

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In the Bible or biblical stories, folklore or history, however you want to interpret it.

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Cain's agony, you know, it's, what's he suffering through?

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Well, he killed Abel.

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So, I mean, that was my take on the whole Cain's agony thing.

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Right.

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So there's a lot of power in the song and we wanted something that

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evoked a little bit different feelings. So there's some 6/8 feel and stuff like that.

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Some slower pounding double bass mixed with faster stuff and some thick chord-y stuff.

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Right down to the end it almost feels like you can see him on his knees just screaming out.

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Right on.

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Yeah.

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So it's a powerful song and we want to get goosebumps out of people.

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Definitely did get that.

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And bang your head the whole time.

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Yes.

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Hell yeah.

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Exactly.

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All right.

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So check it out.

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This is Kane's Agony.

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Come with me, my brother

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Tweet the fields!

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Shovelry!

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GOOOOOO!

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A sacrifice unto thee For you, the best of man,

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Rune me with beauty for my sacrifice The highest honor for the Jedi's heart Be a pass never to me from the highest power of all Now why you must knock me down with all of your spice Now to you I promise to pay you back with all of my

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Kill us right!

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With all of my kill us right!

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Go me!

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I'm the one!

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Go me!

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Tune the world into

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What could they do beyond?

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I'll reward beauty for your sacrifice The highest honor for the day you deserve Be it fast, never to you From the highest power of all Now come real close For you are here To reach your trust By my core's hands Blackness bleeds Into your eyes Darkness embrace

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You're fading my heart

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Embrace your faith in my hands

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Cover me

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I'm both alone

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Cover me

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To the fools

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Do I ever need?

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Darkness, embrace

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Your fill in my eyes

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Blackness, bleeds

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Into your holes

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Come with me, my brother.

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Walk with me to the fruit.

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Come with me, my people. For we shall inherit the actual rules.

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RISE!

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Come with me

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My people

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But we are

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Right

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Right

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Right

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Great song, great album. If you haven't heard this yet, you should definitely check it out. You can get it pretty much anywhere. iTunes, Bandcamp. Bandcamp is probably the best place to get it if you're an audiophile. Flack. Yep, we've got full resolution audio files. The best option is obviously to buy the CD, so you get a physical copy. Yep. And then you also get free downloads of the full resolution. So highly recommend that. I mean, we're happy if any

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If you're an audiophile, definitely get it through Bandcamp. We always pimp Bandcamp. We would talk about that in our news. Yeah, that's one of the news items. I'm a huge full resolution flack, lossless format. You see the $400 headphones he's wearing. I think it's really cool that that technology is available now. Not long ago, you couldn't do that. Maybe if you called the band up and you're good buddies with them, they give you higher resolution.

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copy but now we can offer that you know when we mastered it we still had the high

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resolution masters and you know just upload those boom there it is so the sad thing is like we talked about with Jay when we first met him a lot of kids today don't care and they've never been exposed to this but if they were exposed to it more it's starting to grow though I think you know for a while everyone is mp3 you know small compressed cheap as possible and stuff but I'm starting to see more and more people interested

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and better technology and things sounding a little bit better and a little more realism in the mix. It was terrible when they had 128 kilobits per sound. 96k? I could hear the swirling in my ears. I feel like it's kind of weird though because it seems almost like when we were out with Iron Man, one of the bands, it almost seems like cassettes are coming back. It's this weird new hipster thing. One of the bands we played with, they were awesome.

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They sounded awesome, but like all they had was cassettes. They didn't have CDs. You know, it's like I'm gonna do with this nobody has a set door stop or I think I just read out on Slayer just release something on cassette but Metallica now AJ what was that money? Let's see if we can't get this new yesterday Saints album out on 78. I asked Matt a really thick vinyl last night. I was like, you know, the gramophone to

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We've actually been talking about we want to do it. Nothing's really stopping us other than we want to push the album as it is right now. Because the way the album's set up, almost like a three-act opera, we would have to... I got it. A-side, B-side, C-side, and a cool fucking graphic on the back of a DC. We could have this interview. Yeah. Or a Catatonic Society single, Jay.

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You know what? I like the interview better. When I'm here... Today I'm Jay of Metal Heads Podcast, dude. That's it, buddy. I love it. I love it. Yeah, when I was talking to Matt last night asking him about it, he said the same thing. He's like, well, it's kind of long. That's why I knew it was around 70 minutes. He's like, so you can't fit that on one album, so you've got to go to a third side, and then that increases the cost of production right there, and then what do you do with the fourth side?

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and I suggested we put a picture of Will on there. Will Cook. Just because Will was standing there. It's him reading a beer recipe. Well, if you could see the face that he had made. It would be really awesome to get this on vinyl. We do want to do that, so that's not out of the question. Cool. Alright, so we're about, shit, we're almost an hour and a half in and we're finally going to get to the actual

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Guts of the podcast. That's not unusual for us. Nope. All right. Well, we're going to get into some news items. You want to take this first one? Yeah, I can. The bringer of bad news again. Today I woke up and found out that Sean Tyler Chavez, the original guitarist for the thrash band Havoc, one of the bands you turned me on to a couple years back, George, who passed away. He was no longer their guitarist. He was only on the first album. He was on the first album that you actually told me I needed to go out and get.

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Amazing. Amazing. Amazing album. If you'd never heard these guys, they were really cool. But didn't say a cause of death. But when anybody passed away, Travis, especially at 30 years old. It's really sad. I mean, Havoc is a band that's a friend of ours. Did you hear about this news too? Not directly, but I have. And I didn't know them very well. But the band is a friend of ours. And they're newer guitarists.

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was a friend of our original bass player. And we still keep in contact with them. It's just really sad to see when someone passes away that had an impact like that and kind of bringing that old school thrash back and everything. Yeah. Condolences go out to their family. Definitely. Especially at 30. Way too young. Way too young. Close to the rock star age, the 27. Yeah. 30, that's just crazy. It's just insane.

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Absolutely insane. Absolutely insane. Well, George, you want to try and... This next item. You guys don't know the history we have, but I always am the breaker of bad news to George. I'm always like, hey, George, you see this news? Someone, someone, someone died. Hey, man, you like Jeff Hanneman? He's dead. Yeah. So this is another one today. Yeah. So. All right. Well, so this next item sort of takes us back to where what we were talking about a minute ago is the lossless streamer.

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application title which I've been praising over the last few months because

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as soon as I got my hands on this I loved it. I mean it costs twice as much as Spotify. It's $20 a month instead of $10. But the sound quality is really good. If you guys don't know what it is. Really? I've never heard of it. Think of it as Spotify but for FLAC files. Yeah. So where you can go on your phone right now and you can type in you guys or any band. I think you're actually on.

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If you're on the road, is there enough bandwidth? Yeah. I've run into a couple occasions where it wouldn't work, but that's just a shitty internet area anyway. But for the most part, no. I don't know if they have some sort of good buffering going on or what, but it works at least as good as Spotify. How about eating your data up? I have unlimited data. I have unlimited data. That's a good point, though. I have unlimited data. I don't know what you fucking losers.

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You can download and build a library with Spotify. Yeah, you can store it on your phone and things like that. When I heard it, I was like, it was night and day. I mean, that was actually what convinced me to... It was your guys' album. No, it was Volbeat. Yeah, you went out and got that... But actually, it was when I got your... That's our bad interpretation of Volbeat. I like Volbeat. But no, actually, it was your album when I got...

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I got the promo material I believe I had choices and I got I took the the 2496

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like you know it was like three gigabytes for the album not all bands record at that sort of they do I know

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well nobody there's still the like 1648 or whatever I think we recorded at 48 48 2448 so okay but it actually listening to your album was that combined with listening

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to Volbeat on Tidal, and then listening to the normal version, I was like, fuck this. I thought my car radio was shitty and would never listen to anything in the car if I was going to review it. Because everything was muddy. It sounded like shit. And then I played something that was actually full resolution, and I was like, oh, I actually do have a decent system. It just doesn't like shitty music. Or shitty quality, anyway. So I've sort of gotten a rebirth in my car.

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Audio System. But anyway, so Tidal is this new, relatively new, a couple months ago I think it launched, system that plays lossless audio. That's awesome. Someone needed to do it. And the problem is it was fucking Jay-Z. Okay? Yeah, so you might, if you haven't yet, you'll probably be seeing these horrific ads on TV for Tidal. And it's like, they get all these rich musicians in a room. It's like Jay-Z and Madonna. Annoying. And all these people.

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and they're promoting it as like, you know, you get better quality music and these musicians are going to get paid for their music instead of... Shut up. And everybody, the backlash against this is like, fuck you, you're all rich, we're not using your app. And it's terrible because apparently it's not doing very well. Really? Well, they're marketing it wrong. They're using rich people that don't need any more money and bragging about getting more money for it.

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it as this is something better, it's the future of music.

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This is true sound.

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They really aren't focusing on that.

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And it's killing me.

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I think if they use Jay-Z and Madonna as some of their spokespeople, that's good.

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But don't go saying, hey, we're going to get more money.

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Nobody's going to want to support that.

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Yeah.

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Everything I see.

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I mean, I'm not a big fan of indie bands.

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I mean, I occasionally like them.

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But if you get something like that, I think that'll help promote it a lot better than all these

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already rich people who don't really they can just retire now and they're still

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going to be making money they're just not focusing on the on the real issue here is the point is

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you can get music that sounds better than this highly compressed music that spotify and everybody

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else is giving you and and everything i see on like facebook is everybody bitching about how they don't want to give more money to these rich assholes yeah i'm like that's not the point the service is actually really good yeah and so i'm going to

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I think twice as much as Spotify is fair for much higher quality music especially if you can download it on your phone. Yeah. So if this service goes away because they Jay-Z marketed it wrong. Is there a way to keep the files that are on your phone? Short of playing them into Logic and recording them? I don't think so, no. The only way I know what to do is Bandcamp. That's why I love Bandcamp because any other HD music site you're going to pay

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$18, $24 for an album. You guys don't know this, but George is, when I told him about Tidal, George went off on getting hooked on Flack so bad that we went up to Soundgarden, the record store in Baltimore. George tried to search out some Pallbearer, some other albums from last year. Like, I need to buy it on CD so I can rip it as Flack so I can have it on my phone. Like, he took a step back and was trying to search out CDs. Yeah, I haven't bought CDs in like 10 years.

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I've been all digital for that long but I don't know if you notice the CDs in the other room.

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I saw them. There's a huge wall.

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I've been going through and re-ripping everything because I ripped everything at 128k 10 years ago.

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You know I actually went up I ripped everything at 160.

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Thinking that I always had the backup and I originally ripped everything at full AIFF.

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Quality 44.1 16 bits and then I did 160.

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And one day,

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I was in my living room.

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The phone rang.

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I jumped up,

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kicked my hard drive over.

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My wife and I just sit there with our baby pictures from our newborn.

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Could you save them?

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The hard drive,

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the circuit board itself crashed.

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Did you replace it and then?

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No.

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This is a chance for me to plug a service that I like.

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Because I just used it.

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This is a paid advertisement.

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There's a service called Backblaze.

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It's online backup. And I use this. It's five bucks a month, unlimited backup size, with as much music as I have, and it's all ripped. And then all the, you know, for the last at least seven, eight years, all promos from labels are all digital. Nobody sends CDs anymore. Must be pre-approved. Special rates apply. But a couple of weeks ago, my hard drive with all my music on it died.

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And you had it. And all I had to do was go on to Backblaze and be like, send me a drive. And they sent me a drive. It happens. It happens more than you think. It's happened to me twice. Did you ever recover it? No. I'm a PC guy. There's places you can send it. There are. They want to charge $500 to $1,000. Ten years from now, you'll pay that. I will. Maybe not now. The thing is, I know. Us knowing PCs. I know as long as the data

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is on those plates and it hasn't been exposed to air and damaged. It's going to remain on there. We'll pay people down the line. It'll be a lot cheaper down the line. It will be a lot cheaper. It just sucks because that's all our newborn baby pictures. Nothing in the cloud. Nope. I was so good. I thought I was so good. I would always rip off my phone. I would rip to an external drive. So still not on your phone? Nope.

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I would sync and then unplug it perfectly. And then one day I had like a little power surge to it. So now what do you have like 10 drives with everything backed up on? I got Backblaze because George told me to get that. I'm telling you man. It's funny because after I got my backup and it came in a nice little package that says you know here's your lost files. And I took a picture and put it up on Instagram and I was like thanks Backblaze. And they tweeted me and they were like you're welcome George glad you could help.

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So, but honestly, I love that service because it's saved me three or three times. Quickly, we live in this digital age. You know, all of us, our childhoods, we grow up. Our mom is pulling out the box. Everything about you is digital. Mom is pulling out the box of pictures. There's nothing. We don't have that anymore, guys. Now everything's digital. So now almost to be true, you need a backup of a backup of a backup. I don't know. I mean, like right now it seems like since nobody's doing that anymore, it's so,

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It's almost easier to go to some place and get it all printed.

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Not a lot of people print them.

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Exactly.

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By the way, these companies...

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We should!

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It's like 30 cents a picture, so you might as well.

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Just like, fuck it.

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I mean, comb through your pictures and pick, I don't know, 50 important ones of each

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year.

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Yeah.

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I don't care about the nudies of this girl I was dating years back.

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I'm a father now.

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Everyone has a camera.

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You're right, I do. I'll take like, we all take like three or four pictures of the same shot trying to get the same one. So we've got thousands of pictures and a lot of us never even go back and look at them. We might post one or two and then all these get archived. We've got tons of pictures that get archived, never get looked at. Yep. You know, you guys in the, being in a band, and Jay, let me ask you this question, Jay. Do you guys hold on to your demos or once you've

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You guys record it? It's just gone for the ages. Speaking for my part, I used to, I mean, yeah, I have everything that we've done, but even with the pictures, you know, I don't know. As the years have gone on, it's like, if I lose shit, who gives a, you know, that sounds terrible. This comes from a man with no kids. Yeah, but I mean, there's all kinds of catathonic society stuff I meant to save copies of, and I don't mean necessarily music, but just flyers and shit like that, and somewhere along

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I really dropped that ball and and if it's something really important or special I'll keep it and of course they do have all our music files yeah but masters are different now too you know like we do have a command who's moved around a lot Jay huh this sounds like a man who's moved around a lot basically I'm destroying evidence for it you know I mean I've still got all the four track cassette tapes from my Tascam four track recorder in the late 80s early 90s I'm like one of these days I'm going to convert this I never

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I've never had one of those. Sitting around this room, John, I feel like we're kids here with all the grandpas here. Jeez. What do you guys mean? Technology? What is this cassette you speak of? 8-track. Come on. What? Hey, Jay, I think this next item was something that you brought up. You want to take that? Yeah, I read an interesting article recently. I'll just kind of share it with what I'm

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I'm reading here with you and what I read and it's a real strange stuff in it but 2014 was of course like the worst record sales year on and that happens every year now and also that only I'm going to read this to you but this is a something from it but there's also some good stuff here but it says to put it in perspective only two CDs went platinum in 2014 only two fucking records and no other compact disc hit a million copies in 2014 and then so there's that

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And then secondarily, that now the digital stuff is vastly declining and streaming is what's growing. And the only other thing that's growing is vinyl sales. Vinyl sales went up 51%. Wow. Hipsters unite. Which was really the kind of the thing I wanted to get to there because we're all vinyl heads here on the podcast, guys. I don't know if you are.

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And so, A, vinyl is growing, and it seems to be a viable way for artists now to make sure that people actually buy their shit. Well, you know, I think you just, one of your words there, you just nailed it, artist. You know, CDs I've liked but never been a huge fan of because albums display art. They're big enough to display art, and I think as humans and people. We see our death angel following through the park, art. We want to be able to touch something,

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something and visualize something. You have a small CD with a tiny booklet. That's great, but you really don't get the full picture where you get a full album. One, you can play it on something that's vintage. It's kind of cool. It's like stepping back in time. And it sounds better. Yeah, it's got this organic sound and feel to it. You can open this huge book. It's like opening a picture book when you're a kid.

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Sometimes there's band photos. Sometimes there's goofy cartoons. Sometimes there's really cool drawings, like this Manowar poster that I'm looking at behind me. It doesn't look that cool on a little CD, but on a big album with a fold-out, it's badass. And I think now that everything's digital, there's nothing. All you get is an MP3 file or a flat file and maybe a

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by 200 megapixel square that you know you got to like hold up super close to your face it's not an organic experience the only there's no even connection with like what you guys with what band members even look like anymore no there's none of that stuff nothing's better than picking up an old album a 33 huge picture of the band on the back cool artwork on the front and you know maybe it's a double album you open it up you see some live photos that's badass you don't get that anymore and now people are

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that, hey, music is a human experience. And we want that. Not to kind of rain on that parade, because, I mean, A, we're all vinyl buyers on this podcast. Not only that, but we were introducing a new segment today of what vinyl have you bought lately. And I hate to kind of bring this down a notch, but one of the other more important facts, too, in that story was how just that only two albums should have sold two million or a million copies last year blows my mind. Yeah, crazy. You know, it's just weird out there.

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But you know what? You guys, I mentioned this last podcast. This will blow your guys' minds. I was training a new partner at work a couple weeks back. He's 22. He told me in all seriousness, he has never bought an album in his lifetime. And it's not that he doesn't listen to music. Yeah, he listens to music. He's bought downloads, right? No, he hasn't even bought. Oh, it's just streaming? Torrents, streaming, YouTube. And that's the way he's probably been taught. Exactly.

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For us, at 32, I remember a junior in high school, Napster. You could type in anything. So that's sad. I mean, we're raising generations of kids who think that music is free. And that's why bands play for peanuts. Pretty much. Yeah, that's a great point. Or at least, you know, until you get to, you know, quite a high national level, can you make a living playing music where, you know, there's a lot of bloodbaths.

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blood, sweat, and tears or beers that go into play. That's why when we talked to Barlow, that's why he's a cop now. He saw the writing on the wall. That's right. He's a cop too. As ice earth, if you can't make it without touring almost year long as ice earth, how the fuck can you make it? You can't. You can't. It's for the love of music. But you know, the thing that frustrates me looking on the outside, looking in, is that

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People don't look at this as you're stealing. You are. I agree with you. We do it for Love Music 2, obviously we do. The only real bad thing I think about the stealing and all that is that there's so many artists that we're not going to get to hear develop because that is going to kill a lot of guys early on. They're going to be like, fuck it, dude. This has been too hard. We've got two records out. I'm fucking tired.

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the old school music industry was that they used to take a band and put them in a house and give them three records to try to do something. You know what I mean? And that's what we're missing. So I agree about the love of music and there's a lot of things that are easier to do, but oh, fuck no, you can't make a living, man. You're not going to get ACDC putting out four albums back to back to back that were fucking groundbreaking records. You're not going to get that. But, you know, it depends on how you look at it sometimes because, you know, from the dawn,

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of music, especially back in the heyday of Bay Area thrash and stuff like that, trading was huge. And that was all free. I mean, just the cost of a cassette tape. I did it. You'd rip CDs or cassettes or whatever for free. But it was local. Yeah, and then more people coming to your shows. It was all homegrown and local. But when I would get a free copy of a band from my buddy and I'd listen to it, nine times out of ten,

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I would see them live and I'd at least buy a t-shirt or something. And maybe you can go buy the record even though you had it. Yeah, I would. I love these guys so much. I want a physical copy because I want the artwork. I want the vinyl. I want the disc. Because all I have is just the music. I want to see what the artwork is like. And so I would buy it. Now it's just this digital world and there's a disconnect. You know, when you said back to the dawn of music, I got to tell you,

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Way farther back than Thrash. I was like in the caveman years there for a minute. So it might take me a minute to get back up to you guys here. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not about Neanderthals. This is awesome. Now I'm thinking of that song from Guardians of the Galaxy. We're jumping over fire pits. Hooked on a feeling. Ooga chaka. Ooga chaka. Ooga chaka. Ooga chaka.

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I've got that vinyl upstairs, thank you. I do like that song. That's actually my dad's favorite song. Is it really? I've heard it like a billion times. Is it his favorite song? You should play it at his funeral because that'd be hilarious. I could do karaoke and probably win a prize for that song. Hell yeah. Probably the only song I could sing karaoke. Can we sing it from the heart? I would. No, guys, the thing is about this DJ, and then we'll get back to the news, the thing that worries me looking in is that

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A Band's Legacy. You see here in our studio, Ozzy Osbourne, the Ozzy vinyl right there, Blizzard of Oz. That's something physical you can hold in your hand and stuff like that. But you're going to have countless bands come and go who are just a URL link on the website. Sure. And that's sad. It's sad. It's weird for us because that's our life experience. And the truth is, if you just let go, then whatever is going to happen in the music industry is going to have to happen.

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But we do live in a transitional period and it makes me deeply nostalgic. There's no doubt. I'm not going to tell kids they're doing it wrong. Probably the thing that bugs me the most is they listen to singles more than albums. And I'm an album guy. And I'm shy to bet you everybody here today is. Jay, even my wife, Stephanie, doesn't listen. People don't listen to full albums. But us as metalheads do. Well, this brings back why we did a concept album. Sure. Oh, because you picked, you listened to track eight. You need to listen to track eight. One of the first things out of Matt's mouth.

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you'll hear is he misses that too. You know, the single stuff, it's great. You know, it helps drive sales, you know, instant response and stuff like that. But albums are where it's really at, where you really get to know a band and you can go in deep and you can sit down, relax in a chair, listen to a whole album and go, wow, I just had an experience. Great point. That's what somebody told me at a record store.

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I said, well, sir, you know what I'm asking? He had a list like he was a comic book hunter. Sir, why are you listening to vinyl? He goes, I'll tell you why. Because when you put on a vinyl, your experience is actually listening to music. You don't want to lift that needle until that whole side is done. Exactly. The music itself is what you're doing. A lot of people, they're listening now. Their MP3, it's background. Click, click, click. Yeah, it's background for whatever else is going on.

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But when you listen to a vinyl, you sit there on the couch or the chair, you play side A, hey, maybe eight, nine, ten minutes later, I'm having to flip it over. Unless you have an automatic flip. Music was its own activity. It's not just... Like what you said, it's background now. Yes, it's just background now. It's just something that's just there. I think with the whole single thing, though, people hear the single on the radio, and they really dig it.

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And I think it kind of shot itself in the foot a little bit. Where you hear the song and you're like, this is awesome. I would really like this. Then you buy the album. Turns out you hate the rest of it. Like, I've done that. I've heard songs on the radio where I really like. And then I've gone and... No. Who? Creed. Alter Bridge, Joe. No, but I mean, you listen, you hear that one song and it's like, alright, yeah, this is good. It's got that catch. You really like it.

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the rest of the album is crap. I think people are kind of deterred from wanting to buy the rest of the album based off of just one song nowadays. Good point. Where it used to be people are into bands, now it's more they're into songs. Exactly, they're used to be into bands. Your band was your band where you would pick them up whatever they freaking did. You know? So we're hoping with a concept album, well not hoping, I mean we're thinking with a concept album that

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people want to hear the whole idea.

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And there are some, by the way.

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I mean, even though we're saying what we're saying,

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there's plenty of people out there.

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I mean, like here's...

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I'm literally doing math right now, and that's ridiculous.

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There's four people over there and one person over here, so that's five.

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Here's five guys right here who want to hear the record.

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You know what I mean?

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So it's not like it doesn't happen anymore.

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These are the same people that are buying the vinyl.

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They want the lossless flak files.

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The people that actually care about the music,

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They seek out music in formats that are better. Part of it's educating teenagers and stuff. It's education, educating people about music. I think we're lucky as Metalheads. When we interviewed Brian Swagel last year, he said that actually metal fans have been shown that they're still true to buying music. Full albums.

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Even though it may be a couple thousand copies. Not as much. Not as much. But it's still purchases. It's still not tracks and singles here and there. It's still full album purchases. I'll buy that. I'd have to agree with that. Yeah. Because usually if I hear one song like on Sirius XM or something, I'm like, man, I want to hear the whole thing. George and I, we've all been to metal shows. We all can talk. When we talk to other metal fans, we're talking about the whole albums. George ain't going to Maryland.

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Fess with me in a couple weeks being, yeah, that one track from Slayer was great! That one song they played! That one song was great! We're talking in forms of albums! That's a metal thing! That is a metal thing! If you like a band, why do you only want to hear one song? That's so weird! I'm a glutton for music, I'm like, I like this song, give me ten more! Feed me! We're not like, man, Yesterday Saints track, you know, track seven, man, that's awesome!

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As soon as I find a band I like, I immediately devour their catalog. I'm like, okay, this is awesome. I'm going to buy these five other albums now. I'm obsessive compulsive like that. I know I have a problem, I've been told. One thing I think about with a lot of bands releasing singles and stuff like that, they have a whole album. I would like to think that they put effort into every song and every song had a feeling for them and so forth.

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But do you think that some bands just go for the gold with two or three songs on the album and the rest are fillers? Probably. In metal. I don't think in metal it is. I don't think so either. I don't think so at all. There's some bands that they release an album, there's like 14, 15 songs, and I'm like, you know. But the thing is, though, in metal, though, I still, when I listen to albums, I'm still start to finish.

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I play it. I'm just posing the question. That's a great question. I think maybe there's some out there, but I think in metal, I really think most of the metal bands I know or have toured with, a lot of effort goes into making sure that everything is cohesive and everything is really killer to them and their fans. I think we need to take a step back and look that we'll never have platinum artists again. Not with the way the ring is.

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This is crazy. Jay, ring the bell again. Opeth, you know, hit the top 20 a couple years back. Their Ghost Reveries album sold 28,000 copies. In the metal world, that's huge. But you know what? It's more like movies now, too, though, because it's all about the first week. It's like after the first week, you're not selling anything. I mean, unless it's like Guys Like Us. Because it's going to go to Netflix or something like that. Yeah. Be streamed. Yeah. I mean, I haven't gone out to see a movie. I'm not a huge movie buff. I love watching movies.

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But it's like a couple times a month and it's Netflix. Guys, quickly, one last thing before we move on to the next story. We asked Jay this and Jay brought up a great conversation when we asked him. What did you guys think when you saw Napster for the first time? Did you guys realize what it was going to turn into? Or did you think, oh, this is fun? I mean, I never used Napster. Okay. Me neither. Because when it first came out, we didn't have the best internet connection. So at the time, I was like, whatever, I don't care. It's like downloading porn. It's like, hey, the boob's coming.

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I mean for me it's always been just getting a CD I was just like I'll just go to Waxy Maxi yeah whoever's listening this probably no idea what the fuck that is nope I'm gonna record a tape exchange turned into coconuts and then I don't know what the fuck it's just a CD store and I was just like fuck it I'll just go there and I mean I didn't really think anything bad about it I mean I wasn't playing music then when it first came out so I didn't realize like what it meant for musicians

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that they're not getting their money from their work that they're doing, like an actor. I mean, I've always liked owning my own music, just having the physical copy. I've always stored in a cloud. Yeah, it's always been, I got my Walkman CD player, I gotta have it. I recommend everybody go on Netflix and watch the download documentary about Netflix. Their concept, when they first came out, was genuine. It was, hey. You mean Napster, not Netflix? I'm sorry, Napster.

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It's kind of like a consaturating idea. Pretty much. There's some bands of... I think Metallica overreacted a little. It totally did. But there are some indie rock bands of... Dispatch being one of them. Apparently they were an indie rock band. They got all this exposure from people saying, hey, check out this band, check out this band. When they started out, their intentions were good. It's a double-edged sword. Right.

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getting into. I mean, I think exactly like you said intentions were good. I think when Napster came out was when Lars realized he just couldn't play drums. Albert, let me ask you, what the hell was up with Saint Anger? What was up with the snare work on that? When Metallica, you know, the first Metallica album I was exposed to, okay. Was Saint Anger? That's kind of sad, actually. Whoa.

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Backstory, this is a roundabout way of answering your question that you haven't asked yet. The first Metallica album I got into was Fight Fire with Fire. When Laura's just doing that, I'm like, holy cow, I haven't heard this ever. Along the same times I was listening to Slayer and had a friend who had all these heavier albums. Merciful things.

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Then that's all I would listen to. I was immediately a Metallica fan. I thought Dave Lombardo was a badass drummer. Lars Ulrich was a badass drummer. You kind of hesitated on that. One thing I want to say to Lars, Lars, just sit down. He always stands up and hits the hi-hat. Then there's Master Puppets, which is brilliant.

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You know then Dave Lombardo with Rain and Blood and everything is like... Goodbye Lars. It's kind of funny you listen to like "Hella Waits" and stuff by Slayer. I mean I love "Hella Waits" but it's not as brilliant as you know I forget exactly what years they came out but you know "Fight Fire with Fire" or "Ride the Lightning" anyway the album by Metallica and Master Puppets were kind of

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masterpieces. Hello, it's okay, but kind of not the best recording, kind of weird, but it was dark and eerie, still cool. And then... Rain and Blood came out. Goodbye, Metallica. But, you know, and Justice for All came out, and that was kind of pioneering in sound engineering quality, sans the bass. But still, you know, I don't know what happened to

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I think it started to happen on injustice for all because if you really listen to injustice for all the drumming is not brilliant it's more of the sound quality the drums there's nothing super fast there's nothing super technical any drummer that has a decent skill level can probably play the whole album fairly easily jays playing it now sitting there listening though but drummers are gonna have a hard time playing a lot of Slayer shit

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So that's a bad. Is there any worth in the bad Slayer cover band? You're trying to play Raining Blood? I know where I'm getting. So Injustice for All started the demise of Lars Ulrich. And then, you know, so if you think about it, it's not really a big surprise when the Black Album came out. It was like the Nickelback of metal at the time.

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If Michael Back's drummer and Lars Ulrich could have traded places for the black album, man, we would have known anything different. Sorry, Lars. I've never heard that before. That's awesome. That is good. Well, then Load and Reload came out. You got, give me fuel, give me fire. Okay, let's pat our feet on the ground. So St. Anger came out. He's like, let's make it sound different. Okay, I want my snare to sound as shitty as possible.

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I'm actually happy to say I've never

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I've never heard either one of these albums.

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I've never heard Stranger.

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When you get home tonight, put on Stain Anger and you know what?

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Stranger.

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Did you say Stranger Anger or Stain Anger?

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Stain Anger.

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Stain Anger.

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Ooh.

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That sounds like a terrible pun.

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It does.

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It does.

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Stranger Anger.

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It's how you feel every time you walk into a new hotel room.

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Stain Anger.

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Who's been here?

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There's a fucking cum stain on the wall.

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How did that get there? Get the black light out. Yeah, but put on St. Anger, and I'm telling you what, the first thing you're going to hear is that ding, ding, ding snare. Like, what the hell is that? How did we get off on this? This is like a 10-minute tangent. I involuntarily set this up. I've said a lot of things. Because we're having so much fun. Jay, get us back on this fucking script. I've buried all this for years. I just had to let it off my chest. Now you're going to go home to drive home. Oh, wait, wait. One more thing to the story, and you can

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I really did like injustice for all I loved it I

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was a kid literally a kid in a candy store at the record store I was there at midnight I won the first cassette tape of the black album Wow it was like 1201 I grabbed it I left the store ran to my car popped it in I was like

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WHOOOOOO

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It's their damaging corporate. Yeah, something has to have Lars shining here. You know, as a drummer, I'm listening to Lars the whole time, just being more and more disappointed. And understand me, sad but true. And holier than thou. Yeah, so I mean, I left the parking lot completely defeated, deflated, disappointed. It was just like I'd just broken up with a girlfriend. Why is this album in such a huge proportion? I mean, like I'd broken up with someone I had...

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My first Metallica album was the Black Album.

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Oh.

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Yeah, but I can't--

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Well, no, but that's the thing.

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Because my sister--

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Well, wait, which is actually a good thing,

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because everything else is better.

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Well, yeah, well, that's what--

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One of my sisters, for some reason--

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like, I'm the only one in my family who listens to metal.

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For some reason, one of my sisters had it.

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And I took it from her.

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And I was like, I hear about Metallica.

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I gotta listen to Metallica.

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I heard it.

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And I was like, this is fucking awesome.

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And I was like, what other stuff do they have? And then I found... Then you found Load and Reload. And you think, this is great. They shaved their hair. They look kind of sexy now. It's funny, I cut my hair the same year that Metallica cut their hair. My hair wasn't as long as Albert's, but it was pretty damn long. It was pretty long. And I cut it. And I was like, yes, Metallica cut the hair too. I cut it for a girl. Your body also helps you too, George.

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On a weird cutting hair long hair tangent does anybody else think that Eddie Van Halen looks like he's trying to be a country star right now? No. Have you seen the latest like Guitar World? Yeah. Doesn't he look like he's trying to be a country star? It's really disappointing. So he just needs the cowboy hat and some boots. He kind of looks like fucking James Hetfield a little bit. He's got the leather jacket, the jeans, the short hair, a little goatee. It's like what are you doing? But what I want to know is Tom Marea, Santa Claus?

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Oh, that'd be good. He's got that big, big beer going. He's getting a little chubby. Santa Tom. Hey, kids, this is the new Santa Claus. Satan's Claus. Okay, George, let's get back on track. Jay, let's get back on track now. How many people do you think have had that Metallica conversation? Anyone that's a fan? Or a former fan? I don't know why the Black Album is still...

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Selling one of the greatest albums of all time. Yeah, but that's because people that aren't metal got into it. That's because they turned into Nickelback. Good point. It was a poppier metal. Yeah. If you compare the Black Album to the latest Nickelback, I think you'd find a lot of similarities. The Black Album! My mom signed up for Spotify. The first thing she asked me was, find Nickelback. And then followed by, find Elton John. So, that's what we're dealing with now.

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All right, George, we can continue. Go ahead, George. Keep my phone track. All right, 20 minutes will get cut out there. No, that won't get cut out. George, just take out the ums and the ahs. No, we're doing like four-hour podcasts lately. So we can do good check out one more time. We actually got a, someone tweeted me, they're like, hey, Buke, where can I download your episode on Wi-Fi? Because your episodes have been like 200, 300 megabytes recently. We've been doing like four, ever since Jay joined us, he's actually,

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So are you distributing flak quality podcasts? No. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Bam! Not because I don't want to, but because iTunes won't do more than 256K. Bandcamp. Bandcamp podcast. I tried. I did. I tried to get on Bandcamp, and they won't let you play. You can't upload anything longer than 15 minutes.

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I was like I would love to do this but I am NOT breaking it up into 50 minutes. So we have to think about this our next song is what like 22 minutes so we need to hone it down. We're doing some Between the Baird and Me stuff. Wow. Are you serious you guys have songs how long now? No no no. Again Jay ring it for the fourth time as an OPATH fan I love the long songs that fucking twist and turn. Our album is going to be 150

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6 minutes.

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All right.

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Let's make sure Jay's here.

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Jay?

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Yeah, I'm here.

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I know he is.

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I just love hearing his voice.

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This is going to be a complete downer to change subjects so drastically.

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Black Island is getting re-released?

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No.

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In flack.

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Have you heard of a band called Paradise Lost?

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Yes.

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All right.

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I have not.

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I love me some Paradise Lost.

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They started off as like early 90s death metal, went a little more Doom-ish, went really bad electronic for a little while, and then they made their way back to Doom and now even like some death metal. And anyway, they are releasing a new album in a couple of months. I don't remember the fucking name. And so recently they released a couple of songs that you can check out on YouTube. First, there's a lyric video for the song called No Hope in Sight. And I know I was listening to it. You saw it in my house, yep.

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I was listening to that with Buke and we fucking loved that. Nick Holmes, the singer. I haven't heard it yet. Do you know Draconian Times? The Plague Within is the album title. The Plague Within, thank you. He's got a decent, clean-ish vocal, but he also does harsh vocals in this track. I love it when you do that. He has a clean vocal era and a harsh vocal era.

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And it's sort of combining the two and I'm fucking loving it. I love it when there's a mix. Yes. I mean, it's so easy to get tired of the bludgeoning. Yeah, it's to have this like dynamic transition into something different. It pleases the ears. It's hard to pull off. But is it him doing going between both? Yep. Okay, because it seems like most bands are always when they have both. It's always one singer's doing the gutter rolls. The metalcore bands. Yeah, like Black Crown Initiate. They got two guys. I always think it's weird when there's two lead singers. Yeah.

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It kind of seems like cheating in a way almost. It just kind of seems like they're half-assing. Linkin Park pulls it off. "Raaah, Linkin!" Nobody likes Linkin Park. No. I have a soft spot. Every album they release is a remake of their first album. Well, their first couple albums are actually for that style of music. Hybrid Theory for that style is really good. Anyway. I will admit. Okay.

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a couple times.

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All right.

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Well, they also, you know, No Hope In Sight, they released that lyric video, and I fucking loved that.

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But, like, just a couple days ago, they released an actual, like, video for the song called Beneath Broken Earth, which was not as exciting, unfortunately.

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Oh, really?

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I was like, it was okay.

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What was not exciting about it?

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It was doomy.

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It was kind of slow, and I think it was, if I recall correctly, it was all harsh vocals.

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So it was more of the music that... It just... I mean, it wasn't bad. It just wasn't as interesting as No Hope In Sight. You know, there was just more to that song than the newer ones. So I don't know. I might have to... I only listened to it once, whereas the other song, I listened a couple times. So it might just be I need to hear it more. But there's some gold in there. Oh, definitely. I am definitely looking forward to that album. This one I know Jay is going to be backing me up on. The band Shamash is

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I'm going to butcher the pronunciation. I'm going to say it's

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Sick Lusiet Lux. I think you're right.

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It's got like Roman V's instead of U's.

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Usually the V is pronounced kind of like a U.

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Yeah.

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I'm totally ready for this one. What's that?

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Yeah, I'm totally ready for this one. That double album is so good.

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Contradiction. If I had been on the pod in 2014,

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I would have chosen that as my album of the year. I just think it's so good. You know, actually, too, and my thing about that record is, I tend to think of, you know, Monotheist as like a genre unto itself. Like, you know what I mean? Like, seriously, that Celtic Frost record when it came out. And to me, this record feels like they're working in that genre. So, yeah, it's like, I love it. And this is actually their first album. So, it tends to reason it's not going to be quite as developed, but I'm really looking for it. And I know, actually, George, you sent it to me. I haven't listened to it yet because I've just been too busy, but. Yeah, we got the promo for it.

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Yeah, it's kind of like a progressive black metal. You know, it's not just blast beats and screaming. There's more grit and like dig your teeth into it kind of stuff. So this band's kind of borderline for me, but I wanted to mention it. The rumor is that Disturbed is back in the studio working on their first album since 2010. What the hell have they been doing? Enjoying their money? Don't follow David Draymond on Twitter. I made a mistake of that. DC 101 shows. Yes.

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I just let me kind of just say I am not a day. I mean come on five years. Are you kidding me? I have to tell you though I'm not on the board around these guys at all. You know far into the side of no thanks. What? Far. You don't want that ooh. You know the thing about these guys? I liked them when I saw them on OzFest like 2004 or something. Yeah I was at that. That song hit and I was like man disturbed they're not bad. But then that song hit like two. 11 years

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Yeah, but that song hit like two years after that fact. I don't know if you remember, but they were on the side stage. Yes. And they moved them to the big stage. Now they're closing the main stage down. See, it's so sad. I remember hearing that and thinking, this is fucking cool as shit. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I don't like the first album with the whole, no. My, but like from the, everybody can fucking do that thing.

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Everybody has their own version. From the second album on, when the first album came out... Indestructible? I was like, no, that's the second album. Believe was the second album. Believe. But the first album came out, I was like, this is new metal bullshit, fuck you, die. But I think to try and remain somewhat relevant, they sort of started getting more metal after that. And when I say metal, I use the term loosely, because it's still, this is like my dirty little secret band, you know, like Slipknot or...

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I hear you.

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It's like, this is something that I'll listen to.

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When I want something bright and happy and fun,

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Happy metal.

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It doesn't require any work on my part.

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I just want a catchy chorus.

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Well, that's all you're going to get from him, too, George.

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Jay's not being very supportive here.

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He's like, whatever.

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I wanted to acknowledge something earlier when the Black Album conversation was taking place.

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It was just that over there, one of you coined this phrase, and it was glorious.

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It goes like this.

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I was like a kid in the candy store in the record store.

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I'm using that, man.

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That was too good.

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That was me.

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That was Albert.

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I will never forget that moment.

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I miss those days.

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I was so happy.

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They handed me the cassette and I was like, oh my god. I just won the lottery. Metallica was my god at the time. To have not heard it and receive the bounty. Oh, I hated it. When I got the Master of Puppets cassette when it came out, it was like the golden ticket. It was like, ah! The ride home from the mall with the Master of Puppets.

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It was life changing. Well that one actually pays off. It was not life changing for me. In a way I won. At the moment it was. I'm like I am the first. Nobody else. I meant it as in you heard it and you were like what the fuck is that? I couldn't start my car fast enough and get my homemade 6x9 speakers that were up in the window of my Plymouth Volare.

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If this was 2015 YouTube days, you would have been, aha, first bitches, and smashed it in front of all the guys. I can type faster than you. You're an angry Reddit guy. Since we're already on the subject of Metallica. We might as well segue into what, Kirk Hammett? No life till leather cassette.

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No Life Till Leather demo on cassette. And apparently it was one of the best sellers. Personally, I was not able to get a copy. I didn't see it. I kind of didn't want a copy, but it's only because, well, A, I live in the Bay Area, so there was no way I was going to get a copy. But, you know, because they're from here and all that. But I also, you know what? I don't want a cassette. I don't care how much of a collector's item that is not interested. Who has the technology to play a cassette at? I love this. Thank you. That's the truth, though. That's almost an oxymoron.

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The technology. Okay, it's a couple of cap spans and spinning things with gears and magnetic pads. Who still has something that can play it? I do. I kept my cassette player just for the fact. I've got a dual cassette Sony rack mount for the standard. I have a high-end Yamaha. But knowing George, if it's available, he'll fucking buy the million-dollar one. I even have an old-school Ankyo that weighs 40 pounds. Jay, do you have a cassette player?

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I honestly don't. I'm 44 years old and my music obsession and collection has been, well, obsessive over the years. But no, when cassettes were gone, they were gone for me. And I don't have a player. I don't think I have any cassettes at all. I still have 600 cassettes lying around. Well, not lying around. I do. The last cassettes I bought were over the summer and they were a couple of Dio cassettes. You know, like with vinyl, there is something magical about cassettes. It's like you lose.

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something but you gain something. I mean there's the hiss and the Dolby and all this. What do you get from cassettes? I don't know. It's hard to explain. It's hard to explain because there's nothing there. Nostalgia is the only way to describe it because there's some shittiness to it that makes it magical. I've never heard that. Because it brings you back to when you were younger and that's what it came out like. When I hear albums when I first started listening to the metal it brings me back to when I first got that album. It makes me think of it.

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I have to tell you though, to me it sounds like I remember when TV dinners tasted terrible and I'd like to have one right now.

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I'd like to have one.

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No, you can still do that.

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That was good, Jake.

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That actually is pretty good.

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All right, you got me, Jake.

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Sorry, man.

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I don't mean to blow you out of the water.

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I was trying to make it sound beautiful, but you just nailed it on the head.

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That's right. You drive pretty hard. That was pretty cool, man. It was like watching a guy tread water or like, you know, a life preserver. There's something, and I don't know what it is. It's that shhhhhh, the ocean in the background. I remember when I bought Exodus Pleasures of the Flesh on cassette when that first came out, and I got home, and there was something wrong with it, and I was like, no, I want to fucking listen to this album.

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And so I had to do surgery. I had to bust open the case and take like a blank, you know, Maxell or whatever the fuck it was. Like open the case and transfer. Didn't want to lose your five bucks. Yeah, transfer it over and put it in there. George is nude in a room. When it gets to that part, it's kind of like cassette surgery. Oh, yeah. Well, you've never really loved the experience of the cassette.

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the tape up after it's been eaten. And you get to the bad part and it kind of garbles for a little bit. You're like, oh, it's just a little bit that's bad. Then it's good. Or it's slightly out of alignment so there's a weird funk hiss in the background. Albert probably knows this, but this kind of blew Bukes' mind when he learned this. When Rain and Blood came out, the whole album was on both sides of the cassette. That is kind of blew my mind.

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I have bought Rain and Blood at least three times. I've wore the cassette out, I think, twice. I bought the cassette twice. And it's on both sides. That's crazy. Whenever I would listen to it. That's how much I listen to it. Whenever I listen to Rain and Blood, it was almost a religious experience. I would have to listen to it from beginning to end. I would get where I'm going and I would sit in my car until it was done.

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I asked George this a couple weeks back. And then if you have auto-reverse, you'd have to listen to it again. A quick side note, guys. Can anything in music, because once it's been done, it's been done. The point I brought up, we have these top ten lists, the greatest albums of all time. Can anything come out ever to top that once it's been done? Can anything beat Number of the Beast? No. Nothing can beat Number of the Beast.

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Nothing can beat Rain and Blood. But I think something different can come out and be just as badass. Those albums become an archetype and then something new and different has to come out. There's no way you're going to come out with something that sounds exactly like Rain and Blood that's just as... Hey, Rain and Blood! We eat it right now sitting at home being like, yes! That's our deck is fucking out right now!

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Cannabis Corpse has their new album title. That's what I was going to say. Raining Bud. You guys overgo stoner? You got your next fight. From the guy that doesn't smoke. Raining Bud. We gotta tweet those guys. Raining Bud. Dude, you gotta do it.

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You said it's already established. You can never... No, I mean... Could you ever be on that level of those albums? Of course you can. Of course you can, but you can't dethrone them. I think they're iconic at this point. Like, for example, another guy could have the vocals like Dio. But nobody can come in and wipe Dio. I am 100% sure you could create a band that sounds exactly like Slayer did for Rain and Blood.

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recorded, you know, uh,

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season of course. I mean,

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even better probably,

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but is it going to be as bad ass? No,

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because it's not that time,

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not that era,

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not that magical experience.

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Weren't happening.

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So today,

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like our job as a band or anybody else or Jay's band or whatever is to create something magical at this moment,

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at this time period in our lives.

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Because what is as magical now isn't the same as what it was 20 years ago. Even though we still think it's magical. Yeah, kids are going to be running blood today. There are kids out there, though, that they can have that exact same experience with a newer record. But you just can't. Those times will come again, but they won't come again for you, dude. You know what I mean? I agree. All surrounding table, all five of us, we've already experienced that. I would like to think I could still hear a new album.

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maybe tomorrow, then I'm like, oh my god. This is just... You like the hope. I think that's why we all listen to music. I mean, there have been some songs and albums that have come close, but when you're in your teenage years, and I think early 20s, mostly teenage years, that's when music, I think, is the most magical and the most impactful to most people, because you're still figuring out who you are and what makes you tick.

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And those are, you know, when you hear some music that really makes you go, you're going to remember that for the rest of your life. Well, and see, but that's kind of exactly what I'm saying, too, which is you, for one thing, you have to remember, and I was probably, I don't even remember, 11, 12, or 13 when Number of the Bees came out. So I was very much finding out who I was. And here was this new form of music, finding out who it was. And it was like an experience we went through together. It was the same thing for, like, people with the Beatles. People say there could never be another Beatles, but they'll always be another Beatles.

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There's always going to be teenagers and there's always going to be some new

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innovation and that's when we turn into the people who think these kids don't know what they're talking about.

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There's a whole bunch of metal I hate that's newer.

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That's where everyone has to be careful because there's some new metal out there that some of us may not like but it's the new best thing.

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And there's a 12 or 13 year old kid out there.

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That's where you just have to have an open mind, be willing to listen to just about anything.

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and absorb it, listen, talk to people. Why does this work for you? Agreed. Wow, we're getting deep. This is great. Okay, next topic. We're going to be here all night. I know. This is wonderful. I do have to be in Sterling by 8 tonight. I can't be in Bethesda in an hour. I can stay for another hour and 15. Go ahead, George. We're moving along.

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It's not too bad. We're moving along. We'll just try and... No, I don't mind it at all. This is great. No, this is fun. This news story, George, can I fucking take this one? You got it, buddy. Because you're not going to be there, so get out of the fucking way. Don't count me out yet. Oh, I'm not going to be there. Holy shit! Don't count you out yet? Nah, fuck my high school reunion. Yes! Wait, wait, I'm not going to be there either. I was so planning on doing this. Were you there last year? No. And I... You ever been? We were there for Odorous's funeral. I think from...

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From now on, I can't plan anything in August. I'll tell you what, guar, this is, we'll get to this. It's my sister's wedding. No, you can't. No, I'm not going to miss that. My anniversary with my girlfriend is August, too. It's your girlfriend, it's not your wife. You can celebrate that guar-b-queue. True. She might dig it, too. What we're talking about here is news. If news came out this week that for the guar-b-queue occurring October, sorry, August,

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October would work for me. Yeah, it would. August 15th, down the descendants and goat whore who canceled last year are playing barbecue. The exact date of my sister's wedding. Damn it. Amazing. I'm so down for down. The exact date of my 25-year high school. I'm wearing down today. I tell you what. Dude, down three? We'll fly. Where's your reunion? Michigan. Mine's in Wisconsin, so let's carpool together. It's high school. We'll rent a Corvette.

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So we can go 150 miles an hour the whole way. Yes, George does a fit in a corvette. You down for that? Then we'll take a supersonic flight back. Exactly. It's high school. Can we resurrect the Concorde? Yeah, you could. Exactly. Well, you go to your reunion. I'll go to my sister's wedding. We'll fly to barbecue real quick for a couple shows, and we'll fly back. Make the reception and the after bar and all that. George and I were there for two days last year, and I will tell you guys this.

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a lake where there's a bunch of pools. There's fucking hot girls in bathing suits. There's plenty of food options. There's vinyl you can buy. There's plenty of merch. You say plenty of food options as if you want to wait three hours in line to get it. Who cares? George, we're not talking about the small details right now. Have you read my t-shirt yet? Albert can't eat the food there. Did you read my shirt? Yes, but what's that mean? What does it say?

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Gluten-free? Herbivore. Oh, herbivore. Also, Albert is a vegan. So he doesn't have to wait in line. He can just chew on some grass. So Gwarb is a vegan. Hold on. You're a vegan? Jay lives in the fucking San Francisco? Jay, do you want to meet Albert here? Hey, Jay, you heard his laugh. He knows what's up. Jay, just because you're in San Francisco, I assume you're a vegan.

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Well, you know what? You gotta slow you down for a minute here. And I haven't told George to beat this, but I actually am a vegetarian. And I have a good joke, though. Can I drop the headphones like I dropped the mic? You know, it's even better. Jay and I are from Wisconsin. You know, I heard the best vegetarian joke the other day, though. And it's that they say the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. But the way to a vegetarian's heart is through his vagina. Whoa. Whoa.

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Oh my god. Obviously George and I are bringing the beef. We ate vegetarian. Wow. Way to a man's tard just threw his ribcage and up a little. Jay, I'm not going to be too offended since you are a vegetarian. So your favorite band is Cattle Decapitation, right? You know, I toured with Cattle Decapitation. Are they vegans? Actually, simultaneously with Yesterday's Saints, I played in a death metal band called Loculus. Okay. And we played the Occupation Domination Tour in 2011. Okay.

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It was aborted, cattle decapitation. Yeah, I was supposed to be on that. I know, I got asked to tour with Lonculus, but I couldn't get the time off. I was so fucking pissed off about that shit. It was Battlecross. That's when I first met Battlecross. Okay. And who else was on? I can't remember the other bands. But anyway, it was badass. And, turns out, cattle decapitation, originally I think we were all vegetarians or vegans or something like that, but now only one guy.

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Because I know the first time I saw him, there's a big fat dude up there. And I'm like, he is obviously not a fucking vegetarian. But I mean, regardless, dudes are super cool. Yeah, they are. They're very talented. Cool music. George got their fucking vinyl box set. That was probably one of my favorite tours yet. Really? They're a local band, right? No. No, no, no, no. I thought they were from here. Caled decapitation? No, I'm thinking of Dying Fetus. Never mind. Dying Fetus.

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and Pig Destroyer are from around here. They're all the same. Bonded with the guys, obviously bonded with Battlecross. Kenny Bendine from Aborted. We shared drum tricks and stuff like that. That was about the time I was starting to work on my swivel technique and everything. I started working on it on my own and then I watched him and he's phenomenal at it. Just watching him and talking to him and setting up pedals and everything.

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It was a blast. Playing with the original drummer from Battlecross. Really nice guy. Apparently didn't work out so they've got a new guy in Battlecross and everything. So no bad blood there. I guess it just didn't work out. Isn't Battlecross a Michigan band? Yes they are. Michigan! Those dudes are amazing. The first time I heard that song, Push, Pull, Destroy, I was like, what the fuck is this? If we can put a third song in, put a Battlecross song in. Yeah, that song.

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Well, you know, on the last album, Shannon Lucas played on it. Really? He's a badass motherfucker from Black Dahlia Murder. Oh, yeah. Played with him. And I don't know where I was going with that. But anyway. Fair. All right. Moving on, then. Any pause is going to give me a chance to move on. Oh, God, I'm having a blast with these guys. Go ahead, George. All right. So apparently there's going to be a new Iced Earth album tentatively titled called... That doesn't make sense.

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Tentatively Titled, The Judas Goat, scheduled for early 2016. So when someone says tentatively scheduled, I don't believe it. No. No. I think it's just in works and they're trying to make people happy. But it's good to hear that they're working on something. Well, it's for sure that they're working on it. It's the title that's tentative. The Judas Goat. Ah, I missed that. You win. I'll give my input once Barlow left the band.

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Do you like the Judas goat? I don't know. He doesn't sound very trustworthy. That's weird. That's a weird name. That's a weird name for Ice Earth. I'm an Ice Earth fan, but after... I trusted you goat and you ate all my shit. I figured it was Ice Earth. Isn't it all like Civil War shit? Why isn't Matt Barlow still singing with him? Because after Barlow left... I don't know that whole story. Listen to our last episode. He actually talks about it. Barlow left to be a cop.

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I know that then guy was a cop before wasn't he no he was left to be a cop Ripper Owens came in for the glorious burden album the Civil War one yeah after Ripper left uh the guy from no Matt into eternity into eternity Jay Jay had Stu Jay what was that Stu Blom after Ripper left Matt came back for a record yeah that's okay Matt came back for a record thank you Jay so why why did Matt come back after because he just because like they wanted him back yeah he came back

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And he thought he could maybe swing it. But then the writing was pretty much on the wall. But why did Matt leave in the first place? He left in the first place because... Because he's badass. He is. Amazing. But John just... Well, he... Okay, originally Matt had said, you know, I think I want to leave. And John talked him into staying. And then they cut Glorious Burden. Matt did all the vocals. Yeah, this is crazy. And John was like, eh, not really doing it for me. You're fired. We're bringing Ripper in.

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But it wasn't like acrimonious. It was like, you know, yeah, let's just try this. And so he's like, all right, see ya, see ya. Because Matt's married to John's sister, so. Don't! I want to back up Buke here, though, too. I'm not interested anymore. The last one I liked was the last one Barlow was there for, which was the one after Ripper was there. Those two concept records were great. And then this new guy, I don't know, it just feels like they're going through the motions. Was Matt's last album a horror show? No. Was the album with the Ripper? Freeman Art of Gain.

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with the ripper a concept um yeah the second one yeah glorious burden with ripper was also who does the storyboard for icester john schaefer does everything he does everything schaefer like runs out with an iron fist but but matt barlow works better with the storyboard or is that what you're saying or well well they what they did though what happened was the second ripper record is the first part of a two album concept record in which the second album barlow sings on the second part

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So it fucked things up.

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No, I didn't think so. Actually, I thought that was kind of cool.

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So, yeah, John asked Matt to come back. He came back, and they did Framing Armageddon.

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But at that time, there wasn't any bad blood or anything, but the music industry being what it is, the only way to make any money was to tour incessantly.

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And by this point, Matt was a police officer, and he had a full-time job, and he's like, "Well, I can't keep it up."

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I can't keep that touring schedule so I will step out. That's Oxland. He's so good. One of the greatest voices in music today by far. You hear his... It's unique too. You hear Matt Barlow. The second you hear that you're like... Yes, you instantly know it's him. And that's what's beautiful about him. And Albert has this long hair but Matt's was even better because it was red. Well, fuck you.

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You're gonna fucking knock on the red hair, man. Yeah, you're knocking on the red hair. Yes, John's sitting over here. I'm like, what? Dude. God damn it. Dude, Ginger's manual. You gotta watch out for us, man. I'm going Ginger. Fuck you. What do you mean you're going Ginger? I'm already Ginger. I'm going Super Ginger. Oh, Super Ginger. Oh, shit. You know what? No, I'm already pulling Daywalker Ginger, so I've got the best of both worlds on this. I'm going Platinum.

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We sit here and talk about Barlow. That would be interesting. You know, Barlow, Ice Earth. I'm going to bleach my eyebrows and everything. Fucking Ice Earth with Barlow gave us The Dark Saga, Something Wicked Comes This Way. Some of these fucking amazing albums. Well, you know, we were just saying how distinctive Barlow sounds. This is absolutely true until Stu Block joined Ice Earth because now,

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Stu Block sounds like Matt Barlow. Well, but he's trying to emulate. Do you think he's trying to emulate? He totally is. We even asked Matt that. Remember we asked Matt if Ripper was trying to be him? Do you think that's good or bad? I think it's bad because Stu Block. Very distinct voice by himself. Yes, in his band Into Eternity was awesome. And he did not sound like Matt Barlow when he was in Into Eternity. That's a great point. I just think about it. And he joined Christ Earth. Do you think he's doing that on purpose or do you think the music drives the way he sounds?

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I think he's doing it on purpose he has to no that's a great point I mean sometimes the music is so different but Albert just brings up a good point if you have three or four albums with Barlow singing you already expect what ice earth is gonna sound like I don't I don't know if he's purposely trying to because you because you if if you're a blind ice earth fan listening to all these albums you go into you think hey this is what ice earth is to me

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has a new singer. It's like if a female singer came into Iced Earth. It's drastic. That's not what you think of Iced Earth as singing. It would be badass if there's a female and Matt Barlow. But from talking to Matt... George is getting bothered. He's like... I don't know about him. I have an opinion here.

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Matt, I think we're in agreement that John Schaefer rules that band with an iron fist. Even though they're brother-in-laws, whatever Schaefer wants, he fucking gets. It's his band. It's his band. If you want to hear more Matt Barlow, listen to Ashes of Aries. That's all I got to say. This brings up a whole other... We're getting way off again. Can of worms? I'll shut up. Moving on. Let me ask you guys this. I was going to say something else.

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Say it, please, Albert. No, no, no. If you don't say it, we're always going to want to. Yeah, Albert, fucking say it. Speak your mind, man. Please. I'm very curious. Okay, there's a lot of bands out there where it's a collective. Yeah. Ice Earth does not come off like it is. And then there's some bands, a.k.a. Megadeth. I could think of some local bands. Megadeth is top of my list. It's a dictatorship. It's a dictatorship. Dick something.

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for a while but then it's always this one member that's just circulating people sometimes it's really successful sometimes it's the demise of the band mm-hmm well that was almost like death back now oh yeah yes i mean it was always just you never heard negative stories about did you well no because i heard some recently oh i think john and i have been involved in both types of bands where it's a collective and sometimes it's more one person and i'd like to think is it always the singer though

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No, definitely not. I mean, right now, like yesterday... I mean, Darth isn't the singer. It's the guitar player. No, but I know that... I mean, right now, with our band, Yesterday Saints, we are a collective. We all, I mean, we love to write together. 25, 25, 25. We fight together. We do everything together, and we've known each other long enough where we work it out, and it's not like, you're out if you don't agree with this. Where there's other bands, I think,

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John's played in, I've played in, Matt's, everyone's played in, where it's been like, dude, it's not working out. You're not following my paradigm. You guys not being in bands, but music lovers, what do you think about it? Like Iced Earth, where they're going through different singers and stuff. It's almost a comedy hearing you guys talk about it. It's like, well, they got this guy, but he worked it out and this and that.

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Where, you know, when I was growing up, before I was in a band, I always respected the bands that stuck together. Yeah. You know, where it's still the core group, all four or five members, and you're like, this is amazing that they're still together and still kicking ass and writing great music. Not that there aren't some good bands that have exchanged members that are still good, but it's almost become this new thing where, oh, it's okay, let's just replace them. Let's just replace them.

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It's funny because later on in the episode, our top three kind of touches on this. I'll go ahead and say what the topic is this week, is top three replacement singers that worked out. Because a lot of times when bands lose a singer. Funny how things segue, huh? Yeah. Well, we're not going to go into that yet. Oh, did I go too far? No, you didn't do that. I was just like, I got a band in mind right now. I'm okay with this. Can we hop around? Let's jump. Let's scramble around here.

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Okay, what have we got next, George? All right. So according to Eric Peterson, he says that there will be no New Testament album until 2016. Oh, why not? We were told, we were promised a 2015 Testament album. Something happened. Yeah. I'm okay with this. Really? Yeah. As long as it's badass. What did you think of the Dark Roots album? I fucking loved it. I have not heard it yet. Wow. What? It's awesome. What? I heard a song or two off of it.

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It's good. It's fucking awesome. I mean, I'm such an old school Testament fan. I'm cool with not a new one. Okay. On our last tour, we did listen to which Testament album? Was it Under the Black? No, no. Practice What You Preach. Yes. No, because our guitarist, he's... We listened to the whole album and we're like, wow. Our guitarist, Whit, is not familiar with some just old school good metal. We've been teaching him. Yeah. So we're like, we're listening to

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When we were heading out to Kentucky, we put on Practice What You Preach for him. He's like, what's this? He's like, dude, you've got to listen to Alex Skolnick. You've got to check this guy out. He loved it. He's totally digging it. On the ride, he was looking up videos. I saw them on that tour. That was awesome. I don't know. I'm such an old school kind of guy.

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I still fucking love old school thrash. That's like, I don't know. That's just my whole thing.

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I gotta do one.

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Yeah, we got any picture time.

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Hey Jay, can you Skype yourself in?

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Could you just get in between us here?

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We're trying to take a picture here.

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We're trying to take a picture time, George.

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I'm smiling.

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Are you smiling?

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Can you guys do like a weird hand emoji smiling for Jay or whatever?

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Oh, whoa!

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Let's see if this works. Yeah, look. Oh, John, we gotta get over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get over here. We need a selfie stick. We're gonna get a selfie here. Get a selfie. This is a live selfie. If this isn't, I can do this too. This has to be... Oh, my God. All right. It feels like two cameras are going on. Jordan, put the penis away. Huh. All right. All right. This is going to be blind. Oh, shit. It's gonna be terrible.

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I'm not gonna be in it. I'm not gonna be in it. You're not gonna be in it? Yeah, you're barely in it. He's barely in it. Called it. Yeah. That worked. Well, alright, that works. You look great, Jay. Jay, you are looking fucking swole as shit, dude. I'll just have John send me. Okay, let's go. Go ahead, George. What's next? That's awesome. You're like, dooo. Go ahead, George. Point.

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All right, after our little selfie break there. So, this isn't exactly new news. Some of this stuff's a little old. This next one is about Kirk Hammett. Apparently he lost a phone that had 250 riff ideas on it. That fucking hurts. I mean, I don't care who you are. You know, if Justin Bieber lost a phone with 250 ideas on it, that would pain me. Well, actually, no, it wouldn't. But you know the pain. I mean,

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To have all this stuff and then to lose all that? Ugh. I could see that happening. I mean, with the way technology is today, I know like Whit, our guitarist, he doesn't even have a laptop. He still carries three by five floppies around. I swear everything is on his phone. But you'd think, though, somebody like Kirk Hammock nowadays, he would have backups of all of this. Backblaze. Yeah. Exactly. Here we go. We got a plug here.

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You would think. Somebody in Metallica. They would have to have a backup of all that. But the cool thing about all our phones is you can get an iRig or whatever by IK Multimedia, which Witt has. He sends me riffs. Witt sends me riffs that he recorded on his phones and he just emails them to me. I'm like, okay, I'll write some drums to it and shit. So I could totally see that. I mean, 250-something.

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is a little... Come on, dude. By the time you get to, like, 10 or 12, maybe you're going to, like, record them on something other than your phone. Yes. Or you have emailed them to somebody. But, okay. I've always wondered about that. You know, Metallica, whenever they go into the studio, they're like, yeah, we've got, like, 50, 60 songs in the can. We just got to whittle that down. I'm like, how the fuck do you come up with that many songs? They've got cameras on them all the time. Yeah, exactly. Everything you're doing is still... You know, if they took a shit weird, you could get them.

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That's a song. That's a song. But here, what I had said earlier, okay, he lost 250 songs. So what? That's a song too. So what? So what? So what? So what? No, you gotta add some weird like, yeah, what? Before we were recording, I was like, you know, some of the best artists,

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They've painted and everyone's like, "This is amazing." They rip them up. Because that painting was a segue to their greatest work. So consider what he lost or whatever, a practice to something better. Because not everything you record is great. True. But I think it's a great tool. I love being able to record all the time. But I record a lot of stuff and it's not like it's gold. Clown shoes.

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That's very true. It was clown shoes. Not what you were saying. Stop texting, Jay. Just that noise. So I guess what I'm saying is, okay, you've lost some demo stuff you record and everything, but if it's good enough... It'll come back. It'll come back, and it's going to come back better. Well, it's even the stuff that we write. I mean, we'll come up with stuff. We'll fucking practice and be like, this is awesome. We're going to remember it. Next practice. We'll remember this in two days' time. No. And then, nope. I'm nothing.

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We have a general idea of what we did. It was like we got retarded in two days. Yeah. It's exactly that. And we're pissed. We're like, that was so badass last practice. And we're like, oh, what was it? Oh. I'll look down at my face and be like, I remember it was here. Yeah, it was here. Why is it down here today? Exactly. I remember doing this part, but everything else is, you know, let's see what happens. And I'm like, John, that sucks. Yeah.

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It was badass last practice. I was like, why are you even in the band right now? This is horrible. Just leave until you remember your part. Oh, shit. I don't understand. I don't understand anymore. Oh, my God. Why am I even playing with you? Why? Why did we accept you in tour? Why are you in this band now? This is unacceptable. I gave you a vote of confidence? Yeah.

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All right. Moving on. It's now midnight. We need to do a new station identification. Jay's like, I have a CD release party tonight. Fuck. W666. Who cares? WKOB out of three. It's three o'clock where he is. Jay needs to give his best fucking show tonight, and we're fucking keeping him on the line for three hours. Jay's going to work. Fuck you guys and your beer. Jay's drinking his fucking herbal.

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He's like naked in the shower right now. He's been off for a while. Hey Jay, how you doing? Hey Jay. We're still here. We're still here. Hey Jay, how's that solar power treating you? Fuck you. That was the fuck you laugh. I fucking love Jay. Jay, I'm on Jay's level now. I own a fucking Prius. Yeah, that's true. Do you really? I have a Mustang 5.0.

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0050? 2013. Does it have 8,495-work cars? This is what I'm doing for the ecology. Have you ever seen Dr. Strangelove? Yes. You know that scene where he's going down on the bomb and he's riding like a horse? Yee-haw! That's me driving my car. That's you? Just burning up as much fuel as I can. George just fucking runs over hippies and hipsters all day long. Yeah. It's unlike hippie hunting. If you had an 012, I could beat you, but no. I'm totally confused. So what really is it?

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It's a hipster. It's a J. It's whoever you don't like. We don't know what J looks like. This is a hipster. Oh, J is a hipster? No, this is it. George is going to put up a picture. I'm sorry, J. But this is a hipster. You're six foot. You wear medium shirts. Medium? Slightly tight. Yes, medium. Slightly tight. You wear skinny jeans. You don't keep your keys in your pocket. You keep them in a carabiner on your back.

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You wear like Converse shoes. You wear a beanie, but it's off your ears. Oh, he's a total hipster. Yeah, he's a total hipster. I don't know. I'm not getting a hipster vibe. Like I don't see the side parted hair with the big beard and the Jay came on the podcast first day. We're like Jay. Give us your favorite bands of all time. Oh, definitely. He said Muse Vampire Weekend. Okay.

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Jay is sexy nonetheless. Jay, we just saw a couple pictures of you and we've nailed you to a T. Are they just randomly getting images off the internet? No, you're totally giddy. Actually, there were the naked photos you sent me last week. There were the naked selfies you sent George. I'm not sure about the in-ear outie, but... Jay may be a hipster, but he's hung like a horse. Just talking from experience. A very small plastic horse.

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Go on, next story. That is Jay and I's secret. Jay's our third mic, but he's also fucking one of me. We love you, Jay. We love Jay. All right. Jay's an interview that never fucking ended. Yeah, exactly. You might have to miss your show tonight. You have to choose what's more important. Maybe I can find someone. I'll just take the laptop with me. Hey, there you go. We'll be podcasting.

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that live show after all. Yeah. You'll be like, hey guys, I'm on stage. Hang on a second. Let me play this. Give me like 40 minutes. Jared, go up there on stage saying, yeah, welcome everybody tonight. I want to thank you guys for coming out. I want to thank the Metal Heads pod. Put it through the PA. What the fuck is this? Okay, George, go ahead. He has a show. He has his metal release. Get on, George. All right, here we are. In case you didn't pick it up on Record Store Day, Slayer has released a, I guess,

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Yes, a video, YouTube, whatever, streaming of the song When the Stillness Comes. Has anybody heard this? No. Nope. I heard it. I asked Jay to pick it up for me. He didn't find it. I heard a new Slayer song this morning. Yeah. It was off their new album. Was it When the Stillness Comes? Probably. What one? When the Stillness Comes. That's the song title. Yeah. It could be. It could be.

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I would know something. I wasn't terribly. I mean, it wasn't bad. It just sounded like punk, whatever. It sounded like a demo for South of Heaven to me. I wasn't. It was like, okay, but it had that like mid-tempo feel. And it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't like, oh, I want to buy it. Going off what George says, Slayer in the past couple years hasn't been bad, but it's also something super exciting. It sounds like shit they've done over and over. Yeah, exactly. I feel like a lot of these older, like,

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They're trying to write new stuff, trying to go back to their roots. For me, personally, I don't care. I want to hear the old stuff. When I see them live, I want to see fucking Rain and Blood. I want to see fucking... But they have to keep putting out new stuff, though. They don't have to. I don't think that they have to. They can tour on Rain and Blood. I think they totally could.

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I disagree. Really? Well, to an extent. Because when I see a band like Slayer or something like that, I want to hear the old stuff. But if they can keep producing kick-ass music, which they're not. Exactly. Yeah. But I think as a band, there are some bands that can keep 20 years on, keep writing kick-ass music. And I think Slayer has kind of gotten in this rut. You know what I've got to say, though?

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They're the same, same drums, same song. And it was the best time I ever saw them. What was that, Jake? With Gary Holt. I just saw Slayer here the last time they were here a few months ago, and it was the best Slayer show I've ever been to. Shit, you not. Gary Holt's playing. It was just like the best fucking set list. But I mean, if Slayer's going to be trying to come up with new stuff, I mean, shit, half their stuff they came out with was Jeff Hanneman. Yeah. He is Slayer. Everybody thinks they need to bring the other guys to the level. Well, that's the thing. But Gary King, he's not.

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He is like a face. He's not one of them was the songwriter. He's a face. He wasn't what Slayer is. I'm going to give it a chance. I'm going to give it a chance because I can tell you Gary Holt is a bad guy. What they need to do is let Gary Holt do some of the writing. Jake, go for what you say. We have to give him a chance. Nothing what they've put out recently has been super bad. It's just okay. It's just there. I'm like, okay, it's another Slayer song.

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something they could have wrote 10 years.

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You know what?

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This is great.

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I wish I could find it.

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There's this hilarious meme that I saw just a couple days ago,

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and it was a description of the next Slayer record.

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It must have been a Reddit or something, and it was like,

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and I'm not going to do it any justice, but it's like,

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you know, intro song about Nazis, filler, somewhat better filler.

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Nazis, somewhat better filler.

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Ed Gein, filler.

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You know what Slayer needs to do? They need to reinvent themselves a little bit. Not a lot, but just like the holy shit moment where you're like, oh my god, the drummer just injected himself with nitrous. The guitarist just did this insane riff. Tom Araya went outside of his box a little bit. We'll talk about them later, John. Hold on to that thought. You know what I mean? Because that's what the new bands are doing.

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can still be who they are, but they can just give in to a little bit of modernization. Not that they have to give up who they are, but just punch it a little bit. They did that already once. It was called, what was the name of that shitty fucking record? God Hates Us All or whatever. No, that was pretty good. There was one a few years ago, they call it their Turbo. Oh God, it was a shitty fucking record. No, exactly. It needs to be good. Yeah, clearly. I'm not saying reinvent yourself bad.

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But it just needs to be a little more badass. Because what was badass in 86 is not badass in 2015. True. But I'll give this new one a chance. I have heard When the Stillness Comes and It's Nothing Special. No, I didn't. I was like, eh. I liked it to just listen in the background, as George said. It's no big deal. It's background music. I want front ground, like, kick me in the face. I'm going to sit down and listen to this without any interruptions.

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Yeah, it's just okay. It's just and you know what everything they do for the rest of their career is gonna be just okay. Yeah, I hope you know I hope you're wrong. They're one of those bands that can just keep doing the old stuff. I mean they don't need to come up with anything. It's like hey, look at this. I want them to come up with some new shit. But Albert, Judas Priest, can they ever get better than Steel ever again? They could. Well, I'd see a painkiller. I like that. I do like a painkiller. George does that.

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George H. Painkiller. Juggulator was okay. See, I don't want these old bands coming out with something new. I mean, because... Oh, no, if it's badass... Well... But can the badass top their... It can if they... I don't think it always... I don't think it can. There's only one band... Bukes Gonna Groan... That is probably... He already knows. Probably even more badass than they were in the day. Jay, back me up. Motherfucking Trypticon.

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Okay. I don't know Trypticon. I don't either. Do you know Celtic Frost? Yes. Okay. Well, think of Celtic Frost like better. Okay. They... Bukka's a fucking poser. I don't know. I think we need another beer. I don't know. Like all these old, old school, like thrashy 80... We have a bromine going on here.

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I don't know. John, we got this. I think a lot of these old 80s thrash bands, they're just not in their element anymore nowadays when it comes to metal. And that's like 99% of them. But I still think with Slayer and Metallica, just play the old stuff. That's what people like. The newer stuff is just not selling. It's not good. I agree. And that's why Trypticon is so fucking badass. See, I don't know Trypticon.

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So I can't have an opinion on that. I mean, Celtic Frost back in the day were influential. They were good. And then they went away for a while. And then they came back, like Jay said, Monotheist was the last Celtic Frost album. And it was a reinvention. That fucking record rules. It's like doomy and death. And it's sludgy and it's heavy. I think it's the heaviest fucking record ever recorded. I'm not joking.

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And then they broke up. And Tom Warrior, Thomas Gabriel Fisher formed another band called Trypticon that continued in the same vein. And whether you like Trypticon or Celtic Frost or not, you cannot deny, if you've heard it, that this music, for a guy that's been making music for over 30 years, is still damn relevant compared to other people like Metallica or Slayer.

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How long have they been around? Like early 80s? Mid 80s. Okay, so similar to when Metallica was coming out. Yes. All Metallica again? Well, no, shut up. Celtic Frost. Fuck off. Can we like... No! We're going to have to have a Metallica free show. No, you shut your mouth. No, you shut your mouth. Well, no, because my whole point is it's like, I mean, I... So I'm not that familiar with Celtic Frost, but I'm assuming it's a different... Oh, never assumed.

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You assume you make an ass out of you and me. Between. No, that's wrong, George. When you assume you make an ass. We're going to be an ass together. Alright, so I'm a serial ass. I'm not that familiar with Celtic Frost. I'm assuming it's nothing. Yeah, shut up. I've had a few. Hey, can I have to stop you for a minute here and just say, if you say I'm not that familiar with Celtic Frost, everything you say after that lacks validity. Well, then I'm just going to stay quiet then. Zing. Well, no, all I'm saying is like,

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I don't know how musically it is compared to Metallica style. I'm assuming it's not as thrashy.

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No, it's actually pretty heavy.

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There's some cool shit in there.

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But everybody knows Metallica.

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True.

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So if you're more of a mainstream metal band like Metallica, everybody's going to know the old stuff.

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They don't...

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Agree.

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for me, the newer stuff, I don't care for it. But you know what? Here's the thing. Like you said, you don't know that much about them, so you get a pass. But what happened with Celtic Frost was they were one of the few examples of a band that came back, essentially reinvented themselves and made something that was just as relevant as the shit they did in the 80s, but it was relevant today. And that dude, Tom Weir, he stands out as one of the supreme artists in metal today, as far as I'm concerned. Jay, you are correct. He's one of the only people.

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that has been able to do that. That's what makes it genius. But has Metallica done that? Have they come back? Yeah, exactly. If you can't reinvent yourself into something cool. Yeah, your point is well taken. It's a very rare occasion for that to happen. That almost never happens. And so I am the same way, dude. You know what I mean? Like if I go see Slayer, I'm not like, God, I hope they play something off Divine Intervention. You know what I mean? It's just not who I am. And can I point out that was a Carrie King album? Well, that's what I'm saying. Divine Intervention is not my favorite album. No.

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But if you can't reinvent yourself into something cool compared to what you were before, like that level, then don't do it. Yeah, exactly. Just stick with what you were doing. Yeah, yeah. And just keep playing because that's what people like. That's what they want to hear. Like, if you're going to keep coming out with albums that are shit, just keep playing the old stuff. Yeah. On the other hand, there are bands like Maiden who haven't really changed at all that still manage to put out pretty decent records every once in a while. So it just depends on who you are. You know, some of the newer Maiden records are actually pretty good. You know, so.

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I love it when bands can persevere through time and stay current and keep putting out kick-ass albums generation after generation. I mean, it's really tough to do. I mean, there's a lot of carnival bands or whatever, you know, like take Quiet Riot, for example, on your wall. I just saw that last week. Quiet Riot does not have anything new. New. But they're still touring off their old stuff. They have a new... A different singer. They have like Jizzy Pearl.

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Who has the greatest name ever? I could totally say Jizzy Pearl D's nuts! Okay, first of all, Jizzy Pearl, the Wayne Newton of metal. I think I Jizzy Pearl'd on my wife last night. No dissing on Jizzy Pearl or anything, but they're just playing stuff that was written 30 years ago. That's giving you my new video game, Gamer Tag. When did Metal Health come out? Like, 83?

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Is it 83? Are you kidding? 83 or 84? Well, 30 years. So the only original member is the drummer. Yes, Frankie Benalli. And kudos to him for keeping the band alive. And people are still going to play the fair circuit. They played M3 last week. I went to that. So that's a little level up. But they weren't playing anything close to new. No. You act like they have some sort of vaunted history.

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I don't really know where I'm going with this other than, you know, I mean, other than, okay. I wish you stopped your sentence there. Other than Gigi Pearl. But John was driving home a point that, you know, once a band gets to where he likes them, just keep doing what you're doing. And there are. No, no, no, it's not what I'm saying. I think, I think it's what I was trying to drive was once you get to your peak, like, all right,

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So Metallica pretty much hit their peak before the Black Album. Yes, they did. And then they kept writing. Depends on what you say peaking. The numbers would show that... I can still respect Load and Reload. I can respect it for what Metallica is. Let the records state that Albert does not like this. Yeah, let the records state that. But when the insane anger came out, oh my god. Well, yeah, compared to those.

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Well, St. Anger compared to fucking Load and Reload is fucking garbage. Why would you even name him? No, but that's what I'm saying. Once you get to that point where... Well, you know about the album artwork, right? I don't even want to know. For what, St. Anger? No, Load. It's actual Load. Yeah, no, yeah. It's a bloody Load. It's blood and Load between Plexiglas. Are you serious? Yeah, sure. Whatever. Yeah. Can I stand him out here or the day? I like that fucking song, No.

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Yeah, that's a good one. I agree. I agree. That's a good song. So ex Bathory drummer Jonas Ackerland is going to direct a feature film about the book Lords of Chaos. Read it. I've read it too. Basically, the book is about the, mostly it's about the early Norwegian black metal scene, Euronymous, Varg, all that shit. There's some, there's some South American stuff in there too. We just played with Varg. Really? Yeah. Cool dudes. Really? Yeah.

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No, he's not playing right now. From Germany. Oh, no, no. Oh, this is a different dude. I'm familiar with him. No, the name is Varg. No, the guy's name is Varg. Oh, okay. The band is Berzim. We played with the band Varg. The band's Berzim. We made tour with them. I've heard of them. They are cool. Yeah, we played with them and we made tour with them in Europe in the future. Nice. Badass. You know what's happened? They're going to forget about us, George. Yeah.

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Like, yeah, sit in the fucking, hey, this is a 10,000 person show. Yep, your tent way in the back, bitches. Anyway. If you guys are there, we'll fucking talk to you. Anyway, there's going to be this movie. I'm so bad at keeping the timeline moving. When we're sober, we're good. Yeah, George had to buy a new fucking keg. It was empty three days ago. It was like, shit.

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Your fault. It is. Anyway. Not in a bad way. No. Okay. So, summing up. Bathory. Movie, black metal, one guy kills another guy, there's going to be a movie about it. Okay. And it actually makes sense to me because it's the whole, oh, we're going to make music and we're going to be pals and then bad things happen and somebody dies and end of story. I think it'll actually be a decent movie. Well, here's the thing. Particularly because the drummer from fucking Bathory,

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is directing it. A lot of that stuff with like bathroom and everything, I mean, happens. I mean, and it was pretty fucking extreme. And people actually go to jail for the acts they've done. Well, this is all based on a true story. Yes. So, I mean, it's like, are they, are they going to try to pull fucking, um, Oh shit. What was that? Um, Oh, uh, fucking like almost like cannibal Holocaust. Like, are they going to go kind of that route with the movie? Well, I mean, they're basing it on the,

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So if the books about that

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Well, the only thing I'm bringing up is like are they gonna go real with it?

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Like are they gonna go like cuz like what candle hall cost it was

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They were fucking really butchering people and yeah, well, I mean the whole

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The book Lords of Chaos is about the Norwegian scene back in the early 90s. Yeah

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Well, I mean burn churches and people were murdered and but I mean if he I mean if he's if he's gonna be directing this

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Is he gonna be trying to stay true to everything? Will they actually do all this shit again? Or is there gonna be something... That's my point. Or is he gonna be trying to be professional and make it look like it actually? Well, apparently there's gonna be a Culkin involved. A Culkin? Yeah, like... What was that? McCully Culkin? No, it's like Corey Culkin or something like that. Home Alone? So, whatever. I don't care. I think... The Culkin. Yeah, he's gonna be Home Alone. Alone in Norway. Yep.

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All right, moving on. We're going to keep it moving along. It's going to be cool. That's all that matters. We're skipping along to the last news item. Oh, we're not going to talk about Kurt Cobain? We're not. Oh, damn it. I wanted to talk about Kurt Cobain. He got raged for more money. Talk about Kurt Cobain. How about skip the one you want to talk about? I'm going to sum it up. We're going to move on. Okay, we'll skip Kurt. We'll talk about Gwar and Bill. We're even squipping. We're even skipping Gwar.

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So, you know, there was the controversy when Black Sabbath released their latest album, 13, that Bill Ward was not included along with. I will admit it's a bummer that he wasn't. I mean, Rage Against the Machines drummer, he did a good job. He did a great job. He did a heck of a lot better job on tour than Ozzy did. He actually played the part and sounded like that era and everything. So no disrespect to him, but it's something.

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that Bill Ward wasn't part of the... Right. I mean, because Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath. Exactly. If you could have all original members from the 70s, that's badass. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Moving on. Everybody was complaining, no Bill Ward, boo-hoo. Bill Ward was complaining, hey, why you gotta insult me, say I'm too fat to play, blah, blah, blah. So he released his own solo album called Accountable Beasts. Haven't heard it.

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Sucks. Well, what do you think? He doesn't have his... No, I mean, it really... He doesn't have his chi. It really, really... How is the drumming on? I haven't heard it. Okay, like... Is it... Saint Anger? No. Okay, Lulu? No. Is he in time and shit, or... I haven't listened to it from that perspective, but it sounds like a bad... But just the music is... It sounds like a bad Jethro Tull album. No. A bad Jethro Tull album. No. Really. So, he's trying to do something as...

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Like, uh, but didn't...

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Let's just say how...

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Of all the people that do solo records, the drummer is not the right choice.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, that's...

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Ringo Starr.

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Think of Herman Rarebell.

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No offense to any drummers in the neighborhood, but, like, when Herman Rarebell did a solo record, you know, and Ringo Starr does solo records.

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I mean, come on, man.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, this is not gonna work.

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Okay, well, Ringo Starr, he did what...

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He had one hit off of that, didn't he?

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He did.

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It doesn't matter.

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It's still Ringo Starr.

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But he had a hit.

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All right.

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Wonder.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Okay, let's get into...

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It's just kind of a bummer that it kind of sucked.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you would expect, I mean, I would like to think any member of that band could just be gold.

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I mean, that's what any metal fan, because they're one of the quote unquote pioneers of that time, you would like to think any member of Black Sabbath could come up with something that's just kick ass.

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You know what's really shitty is that I follow them on Facebook and whenever they post a photo now, Bill's not in it.

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Yeah.

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I think is fucking so shitty like they literally today posted of the three of them in the 70s with no bill that oh so they edited out yep he's like they only show pictures of him like where he's on the margin and then they cut him out it's so fucking you know we all know that so they're acting like he's doesn't exist anymore you know what dude fuck sabbath I did the greatest metal band in the history of the world but fuck stuff dude fuck off fuck that guy well you know you know well you know Jay being in a band it's like being married to four or five

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other guys. Sure. Not all marriages work. Yep. And, you know, I think the paramount of any band, even with us in Yesterday's Saints, is communication. Key. Oh, yeah. You got to be able to talk right down to doing interviews, talking as a band. Coming on this bullshit podcast. I mean, whether it's something euphoric or whether it's something totally shitty, you got to be able to talk to each other.

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Well, I'm just glad that they're wrapping it up, honestly. Yeah. Fucking Sabbath needs to call it a day. Well, Sabbath just needs to get a diaper off of them and figure it out. Sure. Sabbaths can just rest on their laurels. Volume 4. I want to see Ozzy when he's like 95, popping up like a chicken. On the teleprompter reading along. I will be one of those guys paying. He's going to be like a marionette. I'll be paying $150.

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for a ticket to see Ozzy jump up like a turkey when he's 95. You know what? I really won't. I have to tell you. It depends on who it is. I was lying a little bit. Robert's like, no. Fuck Ozzy. Damn it, Jay. I was trying to bait you. If there's like a sarcasm signal you could send me or something, I'd really be. I can't see your face, but that was a bait signal. Okay, here's what's happening. We're going to go into new releases.

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and it's going to be a lightning round. I'm going to say an album. Nobody can say more than one word, if at all. Yes or no. It can be yes, no, fuck you, fuck. Indifferent. One word. We have to wrap this up by seven. Okay. Dredka is releasing a furrow cut short. For me, my word is hell. Yes. That's one word. They never sung in English. We're not listening to them. So, okay. That's more than one word. Whatever. Do you guys know them? Nope. Okay.

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Moving on. Moving on. There's a gruesome. I'm going to take this. If you're a fan of old school death metal, bloodbath style. No, this is a complete death tribute. It is. You made it one record. How often did I ask you for this album? All the fucking time. You made it down one record without with Brooklyn and then you broke the one word. I'm not a big fan. One word. I love Jay in the background. He's like the voice of me. Jay's like, what?

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Hold on, I have something to say. What was that? Gruesome? The other reason I say that, Jay, is because you're slightly quieter and there's this underlying... John says no. Yeah, I'm your subconscious. Exactly. Hey, one word. Don't break the one word rule here, man. Okay, old school fans will definitely check out this band. Next up, Monolorde and their album, Vanier. My one word?

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My one word

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It doesn't count. If you don't say the word fast, this isn't a lightning round.

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I know.

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It's not going to be one word. Music good, vocals too low.

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Okay, that's fair enough.

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Don't know them.

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Septic.

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Ooh.

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I mean, pass to say a word.

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C-E-P-T-I-C?

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You have to get technical.

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Well, no, I'm like, I mean, I know too many bands. I mean, septic in a good way. Okay. Yes. All right. Okay. Go along. Satyricon, live at the opera. I heard this. I listened to this when you sent it to me. This is good stuff. Brilliant. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. Brilliant. Good, good choice. Okay. Shattered Sun, hope within hatred. I only included this because they're on that dark roots of thrash to tour. My word is bullshit. Oh, I haven't listened to it yet. I'm going, no, I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. Next time we got this shit. It's metalcore bullshit. Okay, we'll skip it. Okay, next one. Shining 9, everyone, everything, everywhere ends. My word is brilliant. My word is haven't heard it yet. Nobody else has heard it. I gotta pass on this one. Yeah, nobody knows this. It's a Norwegian band, mostly in the region. But honestly, I just recently got into these guys after years

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All right, George, next time, we're going to hang out back there, and you're going to play us these bands. Yeah, well, hey. So we can go Angawa or Ugochaka. Well, see, I normally give these guys the albums ahead of time if I can. Yeah, no fair warning. I mean, I may love that album you just wrote. Shining is very avant-garde. It's good. Trust me. At least like this background ambience. Oh, that was. Okay, next up, Japanese.

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Black Metal Band Sigh. This is really good. And their new album, Grave Word. This is good. Good. You sent this to me the other day. This is really good. Yeah. I feel so out of the loop on a metal nowadays. It's okay. It's okay, boys. You're not part of this one. You're seeing this. Out of the loop. Again. Okay. Next one I'm going to say, so far in 2015, top three album of the year. George, go ahead. This is Tribulation and Children of the Night. I'm going to say, fantastic. Amazing. I agree with Buke.

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It's in my top three right now. This is amazing so far. Tribulation. It's amazing. For the benefit of John and Albert, Tribulation, old school death metal, but technical. With a good production. Damn it, next time we're going to hang out for like two hours listening to music. And then we'll do a show.

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Sounds like a throwback to an old Sabbath album song or some shit. Okay, last one. Unleashed with Dawn of the Nine. My word is fucking vengeance. I haven't heard it yet. Old school catatonic. There it is. Fucking Scandinavian death metal. One of the few bands from back in the day that still seems

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kind of relevant good shit all right that's the new releases we're moving on

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on guard all right this is gonna take for fucking ever no we're gonna go through a quick top three

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successful switches to a new singer can i go first we're gonna work every we're gonna each do our list

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i gotta i gotta i'm gonna go first this is top three successful switches to a new

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I have three singers, three albums. I may be by myself here, but oh well. You're ready to go. I'm ready to fucking go. I've got the mic right here. We're not going to comment. We're just going to say them and move on. We ain't got time. Number three, fuck you all if you don't agree. Killswitch Engage when Howard Jones joined the band. Albert agrees. The end of Heartache. Number two, when Dio joined Black Sabbath.

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For Heaven and Hell. And when number one, if you guys fucking don't all have us as your number one, fuck you all, I'm dropping the phone. Look. Fucking Iron Maiden, Number of the Beast. Oh, when Dickens enjoyed it. Wow, you went way back. Okay, Jay, what do you got? Well, I gotta tell you, I didn't choose Maiden because I knew. Jay's not a singer. Jay, good. I'm thinking of drums. Okay, here's going. Number three. Got me.

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I purposely didn't choose number one because

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Number of the Beast would be my true number one, but I went with Dio on Heaven and Hell. But you guys are thinking alike. We are. That's right. It's our fucking blood brothers. I think you could go that way, and I think George might too, but I don't know yet. I think both you guys are right on this. I think we are. All right. I might as well go now, and then we'll let you guys go. Go ahead. Okay, number three, out in left field, sentenced when Ville joined with down. Give me a high fuck five. Yes, George. I should have gotten to the number one. Let me make out with you.

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I am in agreement with everybody else. Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell, and Iron Maiden, Number of the Beast. Dio is one of the voices. I don't know what to say now. Dio and Bruce are timeless changes. This is the most we've lined up ever. It is. Two for three. You've got to have something good. Come on, John. I don't think I can top this. Oh, you have to. You have to.

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It's gotta be something about Journey, Wheel in the Sky. No, I'm thinking Darkain. Nice. I really wish I had this face as a replacement in Journey. They would do so many fucking members, vocalists. Yeah, they did. But it was pretty much between fucking expanding senses to demonic art. They just got the same guy. I mean, obviously it was different.

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It was like between three different people. But like they all had that same fucking sound that they all like somehow they were able to like just go to the next guy and be like hey can you do this? Like yeah okay. I can close that. Yeah. That's easy. Well no they were all able to pull off the same fucking sound. Like I mean you can go I mean obviously there's an out between Expanding Senses and Demonic Art but like. It was the same

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Fucking vocal style. It was the exact same thing. I mean, I don't know other than... I love that John's bringing it a whole new... You guys all talked about the same thing. John's like, how about this? He's going to be the fucking screw. Number two. Number two. The screw. Oh, I don't have any... Okay, let's go. Albert, what do you got? It's okay. Shit. Albert, just agree with us on the spot. When fucking Bruce Dickinson joined me... I don't want to agree. He's going to hit us with like fucking some... He's going to say...

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I'm going to throw the hammer into the anvil. So Queensryche. Oh, Jay, speak up. Wait. You know what? What happened? You know what? You can have your Queensryche, man. Wait, wait, wait. No, no. No, I get it. I see where you're coming from. I get it too, but what the fuck's up with that dude? You know what? You're on the pay fucking area. Come on. Actually, I left one out that would make me very unpopular, which is I thought

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when Rob Dukes came to Exodus, he was fucking awesome. And everybody else hates that son of a bitch, but I love him. No, we're talking about Queensryche, not Exodus. Wait, Queensryche is barely metal. Sweet Sister Mary and all that, that's like badass shit. Operation Mindcrime, fucking killer. We're going to segue here. So Operation Mindcrime, one of the most brilliant concept albums ever. Agreed.

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And part inspiration

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for our albums,

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not entirely,

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but I mean,

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because we love,

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we love concept albums.

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And when I listen to Queensryche,

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this is another album besides Slayer's rain and blood.

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When I listen to operation mind crime,

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I have to listen to the whole thing.

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I mean,

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I don't hear that nothing to do with the top three.

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You're just like,

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here's something I'd like to talk about.

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Dr. Blake,

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kill her.

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That's all you have to do.

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I mean,

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I was like, fuck. I mean, just goosebumps and everything. The whole album. I mean, I couldn't. I saw them on that tour with opening for Justice. Did you see them when they had the big screen and the Mary on the screen? Oh, wait, no, yeah, they had that. Badass. They got so much shit thrown at them because they were opening for Metallica. Well, like I said, it's borderline metal. It's not indie. It's this weird, like, not mainstream. That's the album for me. I mean, after that,

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that they went more commercials. Yeah. When they came out, Just City Women. Yeah. Okay. I just saw them at M3. But Mindcrime is badass. Agreed. I just saw them. I will listen to Mindcrime, Rain and Blood, Niall. I mean, all the same thing. I love it. I saw them at M3 last week and they had that guy that replaced Jeff Tate and I was like, wow. It's not the same. It sounds just the same. Yeah, he's good, but he's just like going through the motions. I would rather see Queensryche with Jeff Tate.

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I want to see Queensry with Jeff Tate just breathing and living and whatever. It's not going to happen, though. I know. But that was an ugly split. It may happen again. Okay, let's knock this out because I got my friend's retirement party. I got to leave in like one minute. Yeah, we have to fucking go. Or I will be fired from my other job. Right. Okay. Well, rapid fire, let's all just list something that we're listening to. Let's list something that we're listening to now. Something. Oh.

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something that we're listening to now. John? Impaled Medical Waste. Oh, okay. Albert? Comeback. Oh, okay. You're up. Skip. Court of End Times, Internal Times. I knew you were going to say that. So I am going to go with Cave of Swimmers Reflection. Yes! I love that album. That sounds like a porno. I'm going to be completely honest what I've been listening to. So this is a band back. Hold on. Hold on.

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Jay, what have you been listening to? Trollfest, Captain Chaos. Ooh! Okay. Go ahead, Albert. Avernus. Ooh. Sadness. Ooh, there you go. It's a band from back in the late 80s, early, well, actually, mid-90s, I guess. Kind of doomish, operatic kind of metal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit underproduced, but just... Avernus? Avernus. Yeah.

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here.

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All right, we can do the same thing.

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I'm going to get through all these, George.

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Okay.

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Yeah, good.

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Same listing, classic album, right?

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Yep, classic album.

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All right.

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Do you want to start, Jay?

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Sure.

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Suicidal Tendencies debut.

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Oh.

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Nice.

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Oh, that's nice.

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I saw your mommy and your mommy was dead.

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Mine, I went on Reddit this week and I was like, give me a little help here because I had a busy work week.

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This is like if Manowar met Satan, Avenger, Prayers of Steel.

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Nice.

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Okay.

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You guys have a classic album you recommend? No, I don't have one right now. Anything 20 years or older. Van Halen 2. Oh, all right. That's classic. I'm actually going to go a little off. Not one. It's got to be two. One is cool, too. Slightly off the metal track because I'm reading the book. I'm reading the book Ministry, The Lost Gospels, according to Al Jorgensen. So I'm going to go with 1992's Ministry, Psalm 69. It's different.

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succeed in the way to suck eggs.

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Because even if it's kind of industrial,

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Mike Scotia is one guitar-playing motherfucker.

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Sure.

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R.I.P. Mike Scotia.

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I call it metal.

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Hell yeah.

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Damn.

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All right.

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Here we are.

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Here we are.

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Are we at the end yet?

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Almost.

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This is it.

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Do you want to do an outlier or do you want to skip it?

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You guys won't have an outlier, but I thought of this.

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Maybe you guys can think of this on the fly.

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an album that the press or your friends, everybody hated, but you really liked. My Outlier album, it's a good one. And you mentioned Cryptopsy earlier. This is our 2008 release, Cryptopsy, The Unspoken King. That is a great fucking album. Cryptopsy got into a little deathcore with this. It's still so good. It was bashed. That's the one with the clean vocals. Yes, a little bit. It's still so good. I totally agree with you.

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But I like it a lot. The clean vocals on it just separated. It was so cool. It was cool. It was something different than what you ever felt. It was so refreshing. I mean, it's just this badass riffage. Cryptopsy, you never expected that from them. And then it just exploded into this, oh. I heard, I was listening to this like a month and a half ago. And I'm like, I looked up the media, hated this album. I 100% agree with you. But I thought it was a great album. Good job. Jay, what do you got? Well, mine,

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is going to get me kicked off the podcast as well as kicked out of my band. So I just want to say I've enjoyed my life up to this point so far. Say what you want to say before you say your last words. They're not even the most metal band in the world, but they had one amazing debut record that is by all accounts a wonderful record. They made nothing but shit afterwards. They made this one record. Spend it out, god damn it. Catatonic Society? Perhaps the most maligned record of the last 10 years, but it's a good record. And it's Guns N' Roses, Chinese

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Okay, goodbye.

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Ooh.

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Wow.

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The weakest link.

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On it all.

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Totally unexpected.

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Totally unexpected.

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That's why I had to do this today.

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I'm telling you, it's a good record and everybody else who doesn't think so could.

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And this is a third member of this podcast, guys.

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All right, Jay, you're going to make me listen to that again.

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When you are the obscure listener in Sweden and you hear this episode next week and Jay says that, unsubscribe to this.

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Here's the thing.

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I like that because it's not – he's like –

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Jay, you just checked me sideways. That is an outlier album. Everybody hated that album. I just got checked sideways. I'm like, I need to renegotiate my metal. This means a lot. Jay and George both have bought hundreds of albums, thousands through their life. No. Thousands. George, Jay, here we go. There's like 8,000 in that other album. Here we go, Jay. This is a big question. George, what's your outlier album that everybody hated but you like? I actually,

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I was having trouble coming up with this, but I, like two days ago, it hit me. The self-titled Satyricon album that came out like two years ago, everybody fucking bashed that because the song Phoenix, they had some guy come in and do clean vocals on the Satyricon record. Back when that was not accepted. And frankly, you know, you got to let people evolve. And Satyricon, as far as I'm concerned, just about everything, just about everything they've done is fucking badass.

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How back in the day would you have thought the same though? That's a good question, Albert. That's hard. I mean... Because now you're like, oh, that's badass. You're talking about like Mother North days and stuff? No, but back in the day you might have been like, oh... I mean, I was never like, oh, it's black or death or nothing. Look back at your notes. Dig back in your archives. Oh my god, they did not just do that. Fuck that. Yeah, well like... Wouldn't that be funny?

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You see that you're like, oh, I totally he's like totally ragging on him and now he loves him. CD backslash 2002. What? Ten years later, I totally retract everything I said. I did that once. I did that once. That was like a neurosis thing or like Mastodon. Words of Hebrus? Well, you know, it'd be hilarious to like have a recording of you saying you're like, no, this just isn't working for me, blah, blah, blah. And now today you're going, badass. I should say this. Episode 3,

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George said catatonic society. He hates now. Episode 353. Now look who's a member of the episodes here. Look who's a member of the podcast. Jay is. Yeah. No, I mean, I, whenever I change my mind on something, I will freely admit and eat crow. Well, that's just part of being human. We're allowed to change our minds and we evolve. All right. That's pretty much it for this week. This is a long episode. As always. Connect the Wi-Fi for this one, bitches. Yeah. As always, check us out.

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Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Stitcher, and of course, MetalheadsPodcast.com. Can we sing a song to end it? Well, actually, you can. We're going to play one. Well, no, we should sing one. You name it, we'll sing it. It's got to be badass. It's got to be like skimpy. All right. Well, before we sing our song, let's announce the last song. All right.

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what you're going to think about me choosing this one for the last song.

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George picked it.

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Depends on how we think about you.

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Probably not that much then.

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If it's off our album, we'll like it.

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It's the second to last song, the last full song.

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Albert or John was featured on this.

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The last song is called Recursion.

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Yes.

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And that is the song we're going to play now because, frankly, it's fucking badass.

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Well, do you know what Recursion is about?

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I don't have a clue. I'm too stupid. I'm a fucking... I failed out of college from drinking too much. I think we had the best moments. Jay just laughing. I like how I didn't say anything and Jay just chimed in. I just love those dead silent moments. Life repeats. It's so beautiful. Yes, I did get that out of it. I read the lyrics and I was like, oh, nice. Life repeats itself. Whether it's good or bad, we recurse.

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into our own demise. Indeed. Welcome to the recursion. Holy shit. Now see, we really should go into the song right there. I know, I couldn't help myself. I started laughing, Jay, started laughing. But George is not fucking good. All right, well, what do we... You can edit that. Okay, we end with fucking this. Or I could go, Welcome to the recursion.

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Just completely blew out everything on the fucking microphone. Let's just end with this. You're George. I'll puke. Yesterday's. No. You are Adam. I am the devil. Right on. Talk to me. I'm hungry, man. You got anything to eat? You gotta go to work. Yeah, we have to go. I can go to a fucking retirement. Have you tasted the seed? Let's go. Come on, George. End it. I haven't. Do you have any? Can I try some? No, but if you come to my side. Jay has a record release tonight. Does anybody else think this is kind of like a gay porn?

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This is what Jay and Jay, this is what George watches. I'm Albert and you want to see my... I really hope this all gets cut out. Oh no, this is all going in there. All right. We're going to introduce the song again. Jay, you have the honors. All right, man. We are going to send you all home today with a little Yesterday's Saints recursion. See ya. Angawa. Peace.

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EXPLOSION

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Avalid

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Fly above the sea, flying to drown

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Even time repeats

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Twilight Reads Life

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Take your will, my belly, my throat, my blood

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I'll take from you, your blood, my mind

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Raise them high, beyond sensitive to do Then let them rot, the others be warned Roast their joy, the mother's face has grids Deject the mothers, the fathers will feed

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LOS

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Apoio!

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And beyond we search

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The beginning, all we move

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A world, a curse to reign

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So over, young and weak seek

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The repent, all lies in place in

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The leaves of the clover doves

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High upon the sea,

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Fying to drown,

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Even time repeats.

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Twilight,

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Rays,

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Lime!

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The harvest is ours to end!

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Fully out,

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Light, this is over Light, this is over