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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my zone. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George. This is Buke. This is Jay. Alright, and we are here today with another band for you. This is Infero Brew from Boston. How are you guys doing? Very good. How are you guys doing? We've got Galen. Say hello. Hey, this is Galen. And we've got Neutrino. Hello, everybody. It's good to have you guys on. Very cool. Glad to have you dudes, man. We're digging your stuff. So where are you guys located, actually? We're in the Boston area. I'm in Somerville, Mass. And I'm pretty close.

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Yeah, our drummer, Ard Roth, lives down in the south shore. So we're a little bit spread out, but... Excellent. We're all in the same area. Let's explain the lack of accents. We don't hear any Boston accents here, so... Boston by way of... I'd say almost none of us are actually from here. I am from the southwest. I'm from Santa Fe, New Mexico. And I'm originally from Prague, Czech Republic. That's where I was born. Wow. Yeah.

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I moved to the US when I was pretty young, like age 12, and found our home in Minnesota. So I consider myself like a Midwestern guy. Hell yeah, Midwest. Hell yeah. I used to live in Wisconsin, and I used to live in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Wow. My family's from Wisconsin. Oh, right on. You say Minnesota, right? You have newscaster English up until you said that. Jay moves around a lot. Whenever the police catch up, it's time to move again. That's right.

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All right. Well, so you guys just released your third album, In Conjuration. Mm-hmm. And I got to say, personally, I love it. I don't know about the guys. Buk is... Buk's shaking his head. Actually, to be fair, Buk is not a huge black metal fan. However, he was saying some pretty positive things earlier today. I was. It would not be fair for me, gentlemen, to...

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I don't like what you guys do because you guys are doing something different to what I hear other bands doing in the genre that I don't like. That's a compliment. I don't know how to appreciate black metal yet. It's like when I got into cigar smoking, I didn't know the difference between a 50 cent cigar and a $20 cigar. It was just all smoke and it just

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was you know but I hear these guys while I might not be able to describe it as well as you can George with other black metal bands sure there's things that stand out with this first off the production value is amazing it's not work the work with the synthesizer alone caught my ear right away about the clean vocals also was going there next it has all these little components that I I like and if more black metal was like this I keep meaning to do more

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For convincing Buks, because I'm sure there's a lot of black metal that you would really like. You just haven't heard it yet. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, back to you guys. So I've only known about you guys for a couple of months. Could you possibly fill me in on what came before the last few months? You know, a little bit of band history? Hmm. We don't do much. We don't. Well, it's your third album. Something must have happened. Shortest pod ever. All right. Well, it's nice to have you guys on. Honestly, this record.

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This record took a long time to record. It did. It was a process. We put a lot of time and effort into it, but same with the last one. We've been, you know. Now, for our listeners who don't know you guys, what is your guys' role in the band? I am the guitar player, the only guitar player, and the vocalist. I'd say lead vocalist, although everybody, three out of four guys do some vocals, but I do the majority of the vocals. And I play bass, and I

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I do some vocals too. But Galen also does

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all the recording and stuff.

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Yeah, I do all the production and engineering

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and all that stuff as well.

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He's a multi-talented individual.

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Another one of these groups doing it all on their own.

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It's a good skill to have.

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Yeah, I'd say up until recently

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we're the most DIY kind of band that I'd know of.

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I mean, we literally print our own shirts,

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record our own stuff.

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Which your guys' logo is badass too.

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Oh, thank you.

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We didn't do that one.

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That's actually Christoph, I think it's pronounced Spazdel, who did the logo for thousands of bands. He did the Emperor logo. He did a lot of stuff. Can you do the Dark Throne? I don't think he did the Dark Throne. I thought it was somebody actually in the scene did the Dark Throne logo. Yeah, that sounds right. It was like somebody from like Emperor or somebody did it. I don't remember who it was. Yeah, but this guy's done tons of logos.

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We're very cult in that way. Guys, when we spoke to Joel of Throssenblatt a couple weeks ago, I asked him this question. You guys are now hailing from the Boston area. I don't say this area is a hotbed for black metal. You guys all come together from different parts of the globe and country. Was black metal your guys' first love and what you guys first started playing? Because you're certainly not getting it

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on the local scene, at least we're not. Yeah, no, I come from a different kind of, I come from a more like traditional metal background. All the bands I was in growing up were just more old school kind of metal. I played, you know, I was more influenced by like Iron Maiden and bands like that, like Ice to Earth and stuff like that. Yes. And yeah. And prog rock. And a lot of prog, a lot of like 70s prog stuff. So you're like, you know the words to pull me under?

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Like the back of your hand? No.

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Not like a frog, actually.

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Like King Crimson.

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Okay, yeah.

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Are you guys aware of Thrust and Blot?

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Yeah.

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I've heard of them.

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I am not familiar with their music.

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Yeah, I know them.

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Well, first of all, Brandon, he plays bass for them.

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He also used to be in Woods of Viprey.

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Yeah.

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And he's an obsidian tongue, and they're good friends of ours.

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We've played tons of shows with them. They're actually a local black metal band. Really good black metal band. Yeah, we've got a split coming out at some point with them as well. Wow. Cool. Very cool. Yep, good stuff. But yeah, I mainly started listening to it after actually you guys had them on though. So that was kind of my first exposure. And it's really good stuff. I like it. Yeah, love it. So, Enconjuration came out on July 31st in its digital release. Yep.

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physical releases perhaps even some vinyl maybe well there's definitely a CD release that should be happening any day now I think bind room is waiting on CDs to come in and it should be announced like probably hopefully this week so the CD will be available vinyl is a is an unknown but we're all hoping for that obviously we'll be will people be able to get that up on band camp or where can they get that the CD will be available through bind room

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The Digital One Through Our Bandcamp As well as I'm probably going to put up a little CD T-shirt package through the Bandcamp as well. Excellent. Yeah. Have you guys, looking at your Bandcamp numbers, have you guys seen where a lot of your purchases are coming from? Is there one area that's really taken to you? Because I'm always blown away when George tells us the stats for our podcast. And we get like a bunch of listens from downloads from Mexico. Yeah. It's pretty. Iran. We've had some from Iran. I'm like, really?

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Is that even legal? I know. I'm like, oh, great. Somebody's going to come knocking on my door now going, Mr. Washburn. Yeah, you're on the watch list. There you go. Yeah, I mean, we have a pretty big variety of people who are downloading it and listening to it and stuff from all over the world. But there's a lot of people from around here that get into it too, who have seen us perform or something, which is pretty rare, actually. You guys are.

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Sorry, Jay. I was just going to ask if there were other local, like who do you play with in Boston? You know what I mean? Are there other black metal bands you're playing with? Like he mentioned, Obsidian Tongue we play with. Who else? Another band, Inhuman Form is an awesome band. Okay. They're not exactly Boston based. They're from Lowell. From Lowell. Yeah, they're a little spread out now. But we put out a split tape actually with Obsidian Tongue, Inhuman Form, and

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It's band Autolity. They're from Connecticut, who recently broke up, unfortunately. But yeah, we... When was that? Last year we put that out? Yeah. So those are awesome local bands to check out for sure. Yeah, we play a lot of shows with those guys. But yeah. There's other ones, but like I said, we're kind of recluses, so we don't really get out of the cave much. We probably played five shows last year. Now, talking about playing shows, interesting thing.

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I was doing some research last night. And by research, I mean having a couple beers watching YouTube clips of you guys. Nice. Do you guys do it on purpose? Like, tone the lights down really low, really dark, really evil. Evil like that, yeah. If we can, you know, it's nice to get a little atmosphere going. And then there was one random clip. I don't know if you guys even planned this. There was like a fire breather girl or guy at your show.

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Yes, yeah, that was a good one. That was a lot of fun. I didn't know if I saw that correctly at first. I said, am I seeing a great white thing happening in front of me again? Is there, you know, is, the hell is happening here? That was briefly discussed before we, before we, the station. You're like, okay guys, the exits are here and here. If it goes up, I'm out here. Yeah, that was, unfortunately, that was also on the seventh floor in a possibly illegal, um,

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Everything about that venue was illegal. With an elevator, that didn't work. It's a little sketchy. It was like an old warehouse. The elevator apparently had a reputation of just stalling between floors and people getting stuck there overnight. It's also a great place to play, though. It got shut down recently. You know why it got shut down, guys? They broke fire code. There you go. I like that you guys were like, what the hell, let's just do it anyway.

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Yeah, that's sort of how we usually have a roll with the punches.

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You know, we kind of interrupted your history, and I really do kind of hear about, would like to hear about your formation a little bit, and who came in, and how did you guys meet each other, that kind of thing.

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All right, yeah, it's pretty standard, I guess. I decided that I wanted to do a black metal project, so I guess it was my idea initially, and I just put out some feelers on the internet.

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And the first guys that got back to me were Germanicus, the synth player, and Ardroth, the drummer, who are very, very different people, very different types of musicians in every possible way. I mean, age-wise, influence-wise, personality-wise. So it was interesting. It was interesting right away. So I started writing music, and we started practicing with those guys. And then Neutrino came in.

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once we realized that if we were going to play live, we had to have a bass player. I think we initially had a bass player. Give him some more weight than that. I know. Well, you know what, though? Classic. The kind of music he could write as well. Thank you, Duke. We were talking to Pig Destroyer. Well, we quickly talked to Blake last week at Fairwinds. Pig Destroyer proves you don't need a bass player. You see, I play bass in another band, too, so I'm aware of how, you know, bass players don't really

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matter. And what band is that? Galen has called bass the cowardly instrument. I did. I was joking. To my face. Cowardly instrument. There's no respect around here. I play bass in a band called Trap Them, which is a totally different beast, which is why I enjoy playing bass in that. Otherwise, I wish I'd play guitar. Yeah, Trap Them. Trap Them's huge. Why have you heard that name before? Because you should have heard of them.

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I was sort of a leading question. I knew he was going to say that and I wanted him to put that out there. So. Yeah. Galen gets to go on all sorts of rock star field trips because of his membership. Why don't you tell us about that? Where were you recently? You're up for two weeks. Where were you at? With Converge. With Converge and stuff like that. Just Converge. You know, just these good bands. You know, big bands. Fucking flew to Phoenix last week. Why don't I let you tell? Yeah, but Phoenix is nowhere.

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you want to fly to. It's nowhere anyone wants to go. But it was still a good time. Lots of fun. But yeah, I play bass in that band and get to do some traveling and some... Now, not knocking at all, Trap Them and what you do with them. Do you enjoy playing this style more? You don't have to answer that. I'm just curious, you know? Because... Yeah, yeah. The thing with Trap Them is it's not really...

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the kind of music that I would write. And I don't contribute anything writing-wise to that. I just reinforce riffs. Hey, what bass player does? That's all I do. It's a cowardly instrument I hear. Oh, God. All right. Yeah, but Inferra is sort of my baby. It's my music. And also, I've been playing guitar my whole life. So guitar is my main thing.

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You see that with a lot of mainstream artists too, bigger in the middle scene, who when they do break out and start side projects and stuff, they're able to kind of break away and play what their heart maybe wants them to do. Yeah, yeah. That way you can play two or three stages at Maryland Death Fest instead of just one. Absolutely. That's true. What was that? Hellfest, I think. The guitar player from Mayhem, Telok.

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He's in another band who's super small. He headlined with Mayhem and then the next morning at 11am his other band played. Nidinger? Nidinger. That's an awesome band. I'm a big video game player and I can't even come up with names. These two guys have cool fucking names. Let me just say that. My video game name I always use Opeth. Opeth. That's original. Opeth fan on Twitter over here. Fuck. That's called throwing it in.

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Yeah, exactly. You know, didn't the singer from Primordial also perform with another band? There were so many guys. Yeah. The Gods. Yeah. Have you guys ever made it down to Maryland Death Fest? Any plans to come on down? I went 2014. Okay. And yeah, so a year before this last one. That's the only time I've been down there. I'd love to go again as long as there's somebody I really want to see. Is there one band you really want to see?

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We're gonna be there

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Totally

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Let's party guys

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Damn it

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Come on down

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Yeah I haven't been yet

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I've been meaning to

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And I'm also sorta like

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Waiting for like

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The one band

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That's just gonna

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You know

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Have to

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Like a must see

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I had the must see

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And then they cancelled

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And I just went anyway

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Well let's hear

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Let's hear your must sees

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Which was over

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Over was 2014

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Yeah

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And they cancelled

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But I still went down

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Cause there were plenty

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Of other bands

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That I really wanted to see

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Like Sark

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Was really good

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Nocturnal Culto. Candlemas was fucking amazing. What's going on with them right now? I thought they had announced they were going to give it up, and now they keep going around with this other singer. I think, from what I understand, they are going to continue playing live and just not write any more new music, maybe. That's the last thing I read, I think. I'm actually one of the few really big Robert Lowe era fans. I mean, I like Messiah, too. I like him, too, I guess.

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I guess. Neutrino, what would pull you down there? Emperor would, for sure. Oh, yeah. That's kind of a no-brainer, I guess. Let's see if we can get Ronnie James Deal for you, too, while we're at it. Well, I mean, they're sort of back. Yeah, they're sort of back. Now, would you see him solo that he's doing some of these big festival dates? He's going out playing solo and playing some Emperor songs? I'd love to see that. I'm a big fan of his solo stuff. Oh, the EZON stuff?

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Especially the last one.

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Der Salenbrocken, I think it's called.

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The weird one I call it.

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Der Salenbrocken.

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Wait, try to have Bukh pronounce that one.

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Actually, his name is on the list, so let's not say it anymore.

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We don't want to give it away.

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All I know is he does a great song with Michael Ackerfeld that's pretty badass.

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Oh, yeah.

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On the second album.

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You know, I heard that there's actually still two bands yet to be released.

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for the lineup. I keep hearing of Obscura, maybe. Well, it sounds like at least one of them is going to be a headliner. That's good. Because Venom is obviously going to headline their day, and Testament is going to headline their day. Friday, personally, I think, was it Paradise Lost? Could probably headline that day. But there's speculation that the Friday at the Edison may get a bigger headliner. But they did say there are two bands yet to be announced.

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I would just shit myself and die if Emperor played. There's a ton of stuff we're excited about though. I mean, Venom, I've never seen Venom and I know it's just Kronos, but I don't care. You know what I mean? Yeah, it'll be good. It's gonna be great. And Halo Bullets, I'm excited to see. Gruesome. There's a bunch of stuff we were looking forward to. Maybe with, you know, where you guys live, have you made it up? I know this is more of a,

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Softer metal scene, have you made it up to the New York metal fest that they have? Sorry, the New England? I'm sorry. Yeah, yes. I've been to that a couple times. It's last year, I think there were. Well, you guys played it, didn't you? Yeah, Trappin played it a couple years ago. Bow down again. There's a lot of stuff I don't like at that metal fest. There's a lot of, it's like, it's a hardcore slash metal fest. Generally, there's one or two bands that I want to see.

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and they're spread out throughout the day and it's tough. Like I really wanted to go see Testament and Exodus because I heard what they were playing and I was really excited about it. But then I saw where I had to go to see it, which was the Metal Fest in Worcester and I bailed on it. They play here every weekend, man. No, that's not true. But they do. I mean, they do. I've seen those guys so many times. Yeah, I mean, I've seen Testament. Jay, speaking about this, you living in the Bay Area,

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Have you ever had an opportunity to catch Metallica on one of their famous secret shows that they do? Actually, you won't believe this, but I actually had the opportunity to go to the Fillmore 20th anniversary shows. They did like four shows in a row, and I didn't go. You mean the 30th? 30th, excuse me. 40th. Damn, that's the Grateful Dead, I think. Yeah, and I just balked at it. I didn't go. That was, yeah. I mean, I don't remember

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what it was. There was some reason I couldn't go. It was just really bad timing for me. But I had a friend who got tickets because he's in the fan club and only the fan club people got the tickets or something. But that's it. And then as I've mentioned on the pod before, I've just run into him a couple of times. At the shop. Let me rein this back in. I was just about to say that. Listening to In Conjuration, for me, it seems like it sort of straddles old school black metal.

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with a nicer production than a lot of the classic black metal albums. What are your thoughts on black metal production these days? Maybe preferences also. What would you like? I actually like that old production style. Do you? Yeah, there are elements of it that I like. I don't want to interrupt you, but you being somebody who... I'm going to. You're going to anyway.

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No, because I'm sorry. This is my ADD. I blame it on that. You have somebody who, you know, records stuff with the technology available. Why do you have to do that, though? It's like with all these Instagram filters. Why take a picture and add a filter on top of it to ruin it? I like where this is going. You know, it's a preference thing, I guess. I think in the old days, it was limited

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equipment and stuff. Now there's definitely no excuse, but I think

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for certain bands, it's a, you know, they want the whole thing to sound

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different than a regular production. Like I'd say

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two Mayhem albums ago, Ordo Ad K.O.

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It's a very fucked sounding album.

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I love that.

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It's purposefully fucked. And I can respect that.

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As an artistic choice, it's a piece of art. It doesn't necessarily

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have to sound like the instrument's being played.

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And that's the thing, it's not like, I don't think equipment is always the issue too. I feel like, you know, like I said, it's done purposefully. It's almost like it takes a lot of skill to make it sound fucked in the right way. Yeah. I would wait in the right way. Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say that I think that Pro Tools probably has a black metal button on it now. So you know what I mean? High tech, push that button, everything flattens out. And I think the other side of that is though,

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that there are plenty of people who don't know what they're doing and have the technology to record a band and an album and just don't have good taste in guitar tones or anything like that or don't just, you know. Yeah. Like the old, like, you know, for example, like the old Dark Throne records, I would wager that those weren't recorded necessarily on shitty equipment. I bet they probably like did that with dudes that were, that knew what they were doing, but like were able to capture something that they were going for. Yeah. Like Madrigal of the night, you know,

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On the other hand, I was, I think it was the first Burzim record, he literally played his guitar through like, what was it? You probably know better than I. Like a boombox or something, like a speaker. That was his amp, you know, and he wanted it to sound as bad as possible, so to speak. For guitar tone, that's awesome. I love the really tinny, you know, like the Madrigal of the Night. Oh, actually, Madrigal of the Night almost goes a little too far.

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It's so piercing that it hurts. But I do like that sound. And I give a pass to anybody from the 90s. The Dark Throne, In the Nightside, Eclipse. Those are the bands and the albums that sort of debuted this sound. And they were the pioneers. So, of course, that's cool. But the fact that 20 years later, people still are making albums that sound like that.

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I'm like, it's not original anymore. And so do something, you don't, you don't have to have that sound because pretty much anybody with a computer can get a sound that's better than that. So you're either doing it on purpose, which is not original anymore, or I don't know. But so the point I'm, I ultimately wanted to get at was that I really enjoy the crop of newer black metal bands like yourselves that while you, you maintain,

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elements of the old school black metal style, but you're moving the sound forward. And I applaud you for that. In the sonic sense, yeah. That's great. Thank you. That's definitely, you know, something that we're trying to do is maintain that sort of second wave feel to certain elements of it, but also, you know, make it sound like us as a band. That was basically a 10 minute insult that ended with a compliment. No, because it wasn't directed at you.

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Thanks, Buke. Yeah. If someone's going to give a fucking backhand compliment or something stupid, it's me. Guys, we have seen a lot of trends and stuff come in music, and especially in black metal, the symphonic stuff in 2000s became really popular when Demi really started to, like their sound on Death Cold, Armageddon, really took off and stuff. You know, they were playing main stage mayhem fests. What was your guys' thoughts on that?

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When black metal, the popularity kind of shifted to the symphonic sound. And I think you guys incorporate that a little bit with your synth work that you have on your guys' stuff. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan generally of that stuff. Some of it I like, but I don't have a problem with it. I'm not someone who's going to go bashing. Actually, I do go bashing stuff.

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Please, this right here, this podcast is a bash-free, sorry, this is not a bash-free zone. Bash away on this podcast. Well, honestly, though, a lot of that stuff doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some people. There are a lot of purist people, and I think that goes back, honestly, to the production comment about why does it need to sound that way now? I think there's a lot of purist people who think, well, black metal needs to be a certain way, a certain sound, a certain style, can't go out of those bounds, when the whole point

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of it originally was to go out of those bounds. And all those first bands, though they all have similarities, they're totally different one to the next. Like Burzum to Dark Throne to Emperor. They all have their own unique stamp. So I think people get stuck in this rut where they need to sound like Dark Throne, basically. But I think even they, for all of their posturing, have kind of started to move forward a little bit, just sonically. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely.

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themselves. Definitely. Yeah. Given the way the album started off, just the style-wise, you know, a little deeper into the album, when I come across some clean vocals, I was a little surprised by that, but in a good way. It kind of made me think a little bit of like Emperor's Anthems, you know, with... I'll buy that, yeah. Like, just probably just about the coolest clean vocals in black metal are on that album. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love that. And it's, I think it's nice. I actually kind

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This isn't a style or anything. I don't know how to explain what I'm about to say except to say that there are those bands that kind of save that kind of one-two punch for later in the album. And to me, if you've got to kind of walk a little farther down the path to get to that moment, it's that much more effective. Does that make sense? And I feel like you guys kind of play that way, so to speak. And by the way, I mean, play the game that way. That's effective, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, we definitely put that song as the first song.

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on purpose to let sort of things, you know, things unfold as you get into the album, hopefully.

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Yeah, it's like taking a walk. And I think that only people with that real attention span will understand what you guys are about, you know, which I think everybody in this podcast agrees that we have heavy metal attention spans, you know what I mean, in a good way.

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Yeah, it's good.

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Which is why I think you've kind of rung true with all of us.

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Awesome. Thank you.

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People lost their minds when bands like Watain and Satiricon added clean vocals. Are you at all concerned about the true cult elite going up in arms over these clean vocals? No. Well, that's an element that's always been, first of all, in our music. Yeah, the first song ever since the first album is clean. So I think if anything, we've been catching shit for that ever since.

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been around. There's always reviews that are like, you know, this is a great album all around, but those clean vocals just totally... Until, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I have friends who even say that, who are like, I love your band, but I can't hang with that element. Which is fine. I don't care. But the reality is I come from maybe the opposite of some of the black metal bands who start experimenting with that. I've been singing like that, clean, or whatever you want to call it, since I was a teenager. All my,

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All my old bands are like that. So the black metal style of vocals is actually newer to me since the formation of this band. So it's not anything. Galen used to be in a power metal band. Yes! That's the dirty little secret right there. Yes! Galen, I need to go back about one minute there, Galen, and just tell you those people are not your friends. Yes! You know, can we talk about the recording of the new record a little bit too? You said it sounded like it took you a long time. Can you talk about your process?

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as far as across distances and so on and so forth? Yeah, I mean, we practice like a normal band. So we get together and hash stuff out in the rehearsal space. You said earlier, though, that the synth player and the drummer are two different personalities, right? Yeah. Do you have to keep them on opposite sides? Or have they kind of been able to like... We have to keep all of ourselves in opposite sides. We have to keep ourselves all different corners of the room. Everybody's chained up to them.

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their respective amper kit. I want to see if we can get through one question without Buke interrupting after their first three words. I get so excited. Shut the fuck up. I love Buke. I get excited. I'm like a giddy little schoolboy. I'm excited. These guys, I look up to these guys. I know, but I think the next interview we do, we're just going to pull them up and just have them watch us talk because we're not letting them in edgewise. Sorry. Gentlemen, I'm sorry for being excited. We recorded the new album.

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What do you think of that?

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There's somebody on the podcast right now listening driving to work or something who's probably like yeah, let you speak. Oh, believe me. I know you have this

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Free chemistry that I do not understand

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Everybody's gone shut the fuck up George. Okay, go ahead. Sorry guys. No, you who aren't looking at us

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Seeing these guys on the screen. They are so black metal. They just have a black fucking cat

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Walking around. That's true. Yeah, he's walking around. His name's Crowley. That's awesome. I have a dog named Theo. We got a sword on the wall here. We got some skulls, knives. It's true. The fire breather's going to come in in any second, right? What's that? I said that fire breather's going to come in any second now. I'm going to kick this fucking podcast up a notch. So, Jay, what was that question again? Production. Actually, I have a couple questions. Production.

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No, no, no, it was about production, but the process of making the records, it takes time. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess I'll speak for myself. My process is I usually write songs by myself and bring them into the band and then they get destroyed. They get nudged around by the band. It's actually pretty, it can be a hard process.

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Neutrino, I think, has the same process. We'll send each other demo versions, and then we'll get together and everybody will start working on it. And then, yeah, we basically just practice it in a rehearsal space for usually quite a while until Ardroth, the drummer, feels like he can really nail the drums. And this time we had our friend Dave Kaminsky. From the band Autolotry that we mentioned earlier. He did the recording of the drums at his studio.

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in Connecticut. So this was the first time that I didn't actually do the recording of the drums, the actual miking and all that. And then we took the drums back to my place and just sort of over too long of a period, put on the guitars and bass and the vocals and all that. When you say my place, you mean your house? Yeah, either my house or other members of the band's houses. Like Germanicus has a little studio in his house where he's got all the synthesizers and stuff set up.

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He's got so much gear, so much old vintage gear. He's an older guy. He's an interesting dude. Go ahead. Tell us how old he is. You're not going to scare us. He's 61. That's fucking badass. He's been around the block. He's from the 70s disco scene. Oh my god, totally. He won't stop talking about the 70s. Oh, back in the 70s. Is his real name Rick Wakeman? Does he think Frampton comes alive

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is the greatest album ever.

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Robert's got a really interesting history.

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He's got a very interesting history.

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He's been in like punk bands and like all sorts of crazy.

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Yeah.

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He's more into noise and stuff,

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which you can probably tell than,

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uh,

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you know,

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traditional keyboard kind of stuff.

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And,

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and the cul-de-sac is sort of his.

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Cul-de-sac was,

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was his baby band,

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which was like,

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uh,

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it's very well,

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very well respected in like,

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uh,

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uh,

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like what,

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what kind of circle?

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I mean,

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I'll say post rock,

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but if he hears this,

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That'll probably make him really mad. Experimental rock type stuff. It sounds ridiculous. I don't mean to be so impressed, but I haven't heard a word you said since 61. I mean, that's really... He's got to be the oldest dude in the black metal band. They're probably the only black metal band in the States with an AARP card carrying member. You know? You had a real good deal on the tours, yeah. Yesterday at the neurosis show, it was amazing. He recently had foot surgery.

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And he was walking around with a fucking walker. With the balls on the bottom. Oh my god. That's a cat. You guys have prime parking at all the shows. Handicapped right in the front. Funny you mention that. We got VIP seating because of this. I got VIP seating at neurosis because of this. Oh man, that's awesome. I gotta say, Jay and I are pretty respectful of this because it's about time we find somebody older than us. Honestly, George, when they

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No, it's mostly because he never, I don't think he wears earplugs. He never wore earplugs. Oh, really? Even back in the day, they used to play super loud fucking punk, you know, like 11 out of 10. And he's got tinnitus issues now and stuff. Yeah, me too. He doesn't need corpse paint. He just naturally. You got to cut it out, man. Actually, he's doing great, man. Don't slow him down. I'm sorry. It was just a lob that was just.

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It really was.

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All right.

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Well,

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Jay,

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did you have any more along those lines or you want me to get back to.

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About making fun of people's age and whatnot.

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About your last line of questioning.

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No,

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no,

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please,

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George,

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go ahead.

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If you got a piece of paper there in front of you,

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go for it.

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All right.

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Well,

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you'd mentioned reviews earlier and I,

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I was all ready to segue right into my next question,

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but I wasn't,

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I wasn't quick enough to get in there.

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So,

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you know,

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before last night and today,

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I went online and was looking for anything I could find, any reviews about the album. And I got to say, not a single one had anything bad to say. Everyone I saw was like, this is an incredible album. So what I want to know is, are you guys in danger of getting big heads? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think my head or any of our heads are going anywhere just because, at least for me personally, I think if I'm satisfied with it, it doesn't really matter if the reviews are good or bad.

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I feel like the bad reviews are on the way. We already actually got a pretty shitty one from the magazine Zero Tolerance. Yeah, because they have Zero Tolerance. Yeah, it's a shitty magazine anyway. They tell you. Yeah, it's British. Well, we have two things. We have a positive one and a negative one in the same magazine. Well, it's not a review. The first one is like a little interview type snippet about a different dude. That's very positive and he's very nice.

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but the review was done by somebody else and the guy's like nah not you know not not mic up a tee you have to say is we have a 61 year old in the band give us some slack you know i'm doubting that you guys put too much stock in reviews and i'm in a band which i try to bring up as often as possible apparently but i will say this the funny thing about a bad review is this sort of like you spend your whole life loving music you know it takes you whatever however old you guys it took you that many

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It's just not necessarily frustrating, but it's pretty harsh to have somebody just walk over and just be like, yeah, it sucks. And some guy like me who can't even say your fucking band name or album correctly just bashes it. Say the band name. Say the band name. It especially hurts. If you put me on the spot. I should have put it on the list. Do it. Do it. I was going to ask. If Infra Bro. Not bad. Not bad. The nice thing about

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our name is that it's not a real language. It's a language that doesn't exist. So if you say it wrong, no one cares. So you get a pass. I get a pass. Thank you, George. Don't put me on the spot with that. It's just warming up for our new segment. You'll hear about that later. Silosis. Sliosis. See, he listens. He knows these things. He does know these things. I was on the subway when I heard that, but I was fucking laughing my ass.

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And everybody's looking at me like a crazy person. Aman Amath. Aman Amath. Aman Amath. Aman Amath. Aman Amath, baby. Where's the R? Someone from here, actually. What? Aman Amath. Aman Amath. Packed a car. That's the first thing I heard on my first trip to Boston. Drove up all the way up there from here. Went straight to the hotel. Went into the desk. And the lady said, did you pack your car?

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I was like oh we're in Boston nice still get a bit at the back

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we could piss it all right um so Galen's not the only one who has more than one project it seems like pretty much everybody in the band has another project uh can we call you guys a super group

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oh jesus don't make a blush actually I don't think anybody else does at the moment no one's doing anything actively really okay

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This is our main thing. This is our band. This is what I get for trusting the internet. I feel like this interview must be a real emotional rollercoaster for you guys because one second we're like, your production sucks and then we're like, you guys are a super group and then we're like, you got an old man in the band but we love what you do. It's tough. Let's do this with every interview from now on. I was not insulting their production. I was praising their production. No, no, no.

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But you were insulting their genres production. I was insulting the bad bands in the genre. Yeah. I understood that. It always becomes, this is wonderful, I'm loving this. Well, it's like, you know, it was a good production back in the day, but it's like when we were talking to Matt from Yesterday's Saints and Metalcore came up, and I tend to generalize Metalcore too much, and I'm basically like, Metalcore sucks ass. That's true. Don't generalize that too much. Go for it. I do.

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But Matt pointed out that they're the original pioneers of it. I mean, like Killswitch, Engage, Shadows Fall, bands like that. I'm like, I agree. I'm not a big fan, but I don't hate them like I hate what came afterward. Right, right. Okay. I do. If a band right now... I was about to say the same thing. I didn't want to come out that way. This is where my hatred of blackmail comes from. This sound. If a band came out with, say, Mayhem's

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That's not a good... Listen to me. It's not a good choice. If a band came out with like a... They wrote Funeral Fog right now. Nobody fucking sounds like Mayhem. Everybody sounds like Dark Throne. I'm just saying, would you hear that today and be like, oh, that sounds good? If it sounded like Mayhem, yeah, because Mayhem's one real... The original, you know, Mysteries Down Satanus actually is a pretty original sounding album. Everybody copied Dark Throne. Not that many people copied Mayhem.

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I heard Funeral Fog. I'm like, what the fuck is this? The guitar tone on that album is fucking killer. You're not mentioning a lot of stuff, though, dude. Like, look at George's shirt. You like Satircon, all right, don't you, Buke? I do. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff that gets to you, dude. And I mean, I know they're not a black metal band, but there's stuff that kind of came out of that scene. George doesn't, but some of his music does. Like, Enslaved, you know, kind of came out of that scene and stuff, you know. And there's some bands that are using amazing production now. I feel like Buke can be won over. I can. Wasn't one of the episodes you did,

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Don Slaughter-son as a convinced mute. And he liked that. I mean, shit, that doesn't get more black metal than that, really. That's not top last. The interesting thing is your Winterfelleth and stuff like that, I can get behind those. I like what they're doing, but this extremely raw stuff, and that's... I know George keeps saying repeatedly, it's more than that. But that's still where my head is stuck in that musical mud. Let go of your preconceived notions, sir. Yes.

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I get these guys to listen to the new Vatnet Viscar album, which is fine. I even have it on vinyl. I just don't like it that much. Why do you have it on vinyl? Because that's how crazy his addiction is. No, I pre-ordered it because I was expecting something better. Do you guys like it? Do you guys like them? No comment. I'm on my own. They're local guys, actually. I was going to say, you don't want to say too much being up there. I'm starting my own show, apparently. That's a real shame for me. I actually have to say that I think the new one,

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I like that one a lot better than the one before that was it Skyswallower? Yeah, so diplomatic dude. Is that how does that repeat? I hate it. I hate it. By that I mean there are some moments that I think are pretty good. Fuck all you guys. As he's covering up his shirt right now, you know, his 2015 tour shirt with that Vizcar coming up. I am not bringing that record up again ever.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, what's that cover? That cover art? Yeah. They have caught so much shit for that cover art. I don't have any problem with that. Thank you, George. At least I got George on my side. Because the girl's hot? No. It's just that this is different. No. No. I'm just like, it doesn't have to be a fucking two-tone black and white, you know. Yes, it does. Yes, it does, George. My mistake. Well, their first one was what? Was a couple, like, birds on it? Yeah. That wasn't much better.

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Yeah.

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We should ask these guys some questions.

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Get back to the band, George.

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Speaking about album art, your guys' album art, I fucking love it.

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Where'd you guys come up with that?

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Thank you.

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We love it too.

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Who did it?

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That was another debacle is the album art for this record.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That guy's name is Nate Bishop.

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Nate Bishop.

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And we just found him, found his stuff and got in touch with him and asked him if we could use that one specifically.

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It was something that was done probably a couple years ago. Yeah, I think it's a little older and it's actually it was painted on like a huge block of wood. Yeah, nice with pretty virgin blood. I believe awesome. Yeah, yes, I think that black one just lick it. Yeah, was that sarcasm or was that the truth? The wood part is true. Okay. Come on. Get your head out. You could get a virgin to donate a little bit of blood. I mean, come on. If you were really going true cult. Yeah, but yeah, that was sort of a

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last ditch attempt to try to save the art issue on that record. Go ahead. We had something in mind for the art. The end result wasn't what we wanted. We spent a lot of time and money and stuff like that on getting this original piece of art done. It didn't end up how I think it was me who pretty much said no. We're not using this. That prompted us to start looking elsewhere. That came up and we

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I ended up using that because everyone agreed that it was awesome. And that's very, very rare for all of us to be like, wow, that's awesome. Almost never does that happen. It's a miracle we're still together. Let's put it that way. You know how everyone interprets art different? How many times have people come up to you and said, oh, like those 3D images, if we stare at long enough, something shows through? Have people come up to you and said, oh, I see some Boston Red Sox fans there. And they're cheering.

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the World Series Championship. Do people see their own different thing? Because it's a cool blend of reds and blues and whites. Yeah, there's some... Yeah, we haven't really... I don't think it's been out long enough for us to get feedback. Yeah, we haven't had too much feedback with the art, other than everyone seems to really like it. It's cool. But there's definitely weird stuff hidden within. If you look at it long enough, stuff pops out. It reminds me just a little bit, and don't take this their own way, but just a little bit of the Satanist a little bit. I can see that cover.

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in one corner of your cover. You know what I mean? And even though, like you say, people haven't had a chance to really take it in yet, all your covers are great. I mean, you guys have done a real nice job. It's a good presentation every time, I think. I'd like to ask this question during interviews because then I can go, oh, who did this? Okay, and then I can go and look because I've been looking for artwork and logos and stuff for artists that we can use. And I know I have a little experience

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I just had Luciferium War Graphics do a logo for Metal Disciple and I sent it to these guys and I was like what do you think guys and they were both like piece of shit. Does Luciferium War Graphics really have a question mark on the end of it like that? I couldn't quite remember if that was the name. I know it's Luciferium something I think it's War Graphics. Well and I mean you can edit this out if you want.

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But we also have had a little contact with Away from Voivod. He does graphics. And we're reaching out to him to maybe do something for us. Yeah, it would be really cool to have him do something. But at the same time, the luck that I have had with... You don't want to hate what he gives you. Right. I'm like, I don't want to spend the kind of money that I'm going to have to spend to get Away to do something for us and then fucking hate it. Because pretty much everything that I have commissioned, except for the $5 stuff I got off of Fiverr.com,

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Everything else I've paid any money for, I either didn't get it or it sucked. So I'm really hesitant.

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Hey, you know, speaking of artwork, you guys mentioned doing your own t-shirts and is there literally a screen printer in your black family?

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There is. That's what I...

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You're looking at them.

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That's what I do for a living.

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Oh, that's my day.

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That's cool.

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Send us some shirts because I love your guys' shit.

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So does...

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One of the dudes from Neurosis does that too, so you have that in common with him.

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Oh, okay.

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I don't remember which one it is.

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They all live here. They don't all live in Oakland, though. That's where it says they're from. The one who lives up in Santa Rosa, I can't remember which one it is, but he's got a screen printing business. Nice. Doesn't Steve Vaughn live up in some fucking mountain cabin in Wyoming and murders wild animals? Yeah, I think you've got to hit it on the nose. No point in second. Those facts. Yeah, you got it. I heard that on a podcast. I love these guys. I heard that on the Jostacast. Oh, there's no other podcast.

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I don't know what you're talking about. Josh says a good fucking shit. Yeah, I like him. It's not bad. Yeah, it was the one with Kelly. Yep. Yeah, Josh is up around these guys. I can indicate. Yeah, Ariel. I love hate breed. That's us. I like the podcast more than the music, but I like a little bit of the music. I had a hate breed phase. Yeah, I've ever been in, but I love I love to I love it when I can say I didn't.

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You go into the pit? You go into Hatebreed pits? That's fucking... I'm pretty brutal in the pits. Well, I mean, look at him. He looks like he belongs in a Hatebreed pit. That's one of the things I hated about Hatebreed was you go and you... You get the shit beat out of you. I've seen them at shows because they were like, you know, somewhere else on the bill. And when they come on, all the Hatebreed fans come out and they're all fucking high school football farm boys. They're like me, yep. With their Pantera weed shirt. Yes. Yep. And probably

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some sort of fucking rebel flag on there somewhere. And they're all like bumping chests and getting, yeah, yeah, man, yeah. Giving service hugs. Over goes the Doseki. Damn, it is not an episode without spilling something. Fuck. Yeah, but hate breed pits, I mean, at least over here, hardcore and stuff, it's like a totally, do you guys, what kind of moshing do you guys have? The hard, we have both. We have your normal metal mosh pits, and then we have your crazy,

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I'm spinning around like a helicopter. Yeah, karate stuff. Yes. I don't know what the hell that is. There's some other new thing going on, and I've seen this lately, and I think it's the metalcore thing because I honestly don't know, but somebody I know, one of my metal friends, has been posting videos on Facebook, and there's this whole other new style of mosh pitting where you don't actually run into anybody. You just do what Buick is talking about, and it's just flail, and nobody touches anybody. I'll send you the video, Buick. You'll laugh at it. It's so funny. And I think it's a metalcore.

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I honestly would think that probably originated somewhere around here probably like when I and it's been around for a while like when I first came to Boston in like 98 97 for college yeah I went to a death metal show and uh god it was it was actually pretty sick show it had like internal bleeding and all these like slam death metal bands and everybody like came out fucking ninja flailing style and yeah

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And I was just shocked. I was like, what the fuck is this? You know, I think of you guys as having what I suspect is a pretty good scene. And I don't think I'm alone on this band, but like ISIS came out of Boston and I really liked them for the first time. I liked them up through Oceanic. They kind of lost me after Panopticon. Oh, I love Panopticon. But yeah, I mean, I like that one. But then after that, I didn't like it. When Aaron started singing, that wasn't a great idea. Have you heard that newest, that Sumac record that just came out? No, but I know the tour is getting ready to start. Is it good?

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They played last night. They opened for Neurosis. How was that? I thought it was awesome. I know Neutrino is not sold on it, but I think it's good. It's definitely more like older Isis. You know, I was such a parent. What's that? If you want to compare it to Isis at all. I do, and I do. I love how you guys are best of friends, but you're like still opposites too, like George and I. I love it. The whole band's like that. Yeah, that's George and I. We realized that you heard a couple weeks ago on the podcast. George is,

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I got the yang and I'm the ying death metal guy

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Okay guys in the scene we talk about the kids flailing their arms just fucking stop it kids

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Is there anything in the scene in the genre of metal that just stop is anything guys wish would just stop?

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Something that's become popular in metal now, just stop it, just knock it off. And metalcore is too easy an answer. Too many to list, I think, honestly. It's a lot that should stop. Death to all but what? Oh, sorry, death to what? Death heaven. Yes, thank you. We can all agree with that. I will admit, I bought Sunbather, hear me out, because it was getting so much praise. It was. We all just on, looking in, it was getting all this praise.

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from everywhere. I buy it. I listen to it. It's just noise. You know, I saw that vinyl on your Discogs, Buke, and I was like, am I supposed to get that record? It's just noise. And by get, I mean understand. It was getting so much praise. The fact that it got so much praise really discredits the entire metal journalism community. I mean, what the fuck are they thinking? There's a few things out there like that this year, too, by the way. There's a couple coming out right now. Ghostbath. But you know what? These guys both look like they're

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They could be in Ghostbath or Deathhaven. Look at that. Deathhaven? Yes. He has cute little glasses. They got the nice little hair. They're all skinny. Again, from the praise to the insults. We're just going to keep them coming at you guys. You know, I was, as I may have alluded to, we're going to do a new segment later where we have Buke pronounced band names. I missed that. Buke was saying we're cute. That's awesome. Yes, I was. I was.

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You know what? Put that on the liner note. Very emo. Gail's very emo. Look at those glasses. I knew I shouldn't have worn my glasses. They're prescription. Give them credit. They are. All right. Let's shit talk more. Yeah. Come on, George. Shit talk. Flat-bripped hats. Yes. Flat-bripped hats. Stop it. What? Stop it. Stop what? Flat-bripped hats. You guys are sticking around for the episode, right? Yes. They're with us all day, Jay. Let's move along.

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Let's start talking some shit about some, unless you guys, I mean, how are we doing? I got a couple more questions. George's question. Saving the best for last. But I noticed you have a few shows coming up, a couple of Massachusetts, one in New York. Any plans to expand that further out, possibly down here to the DC area? I would love to, but. We're very lazy. I love the honesty. Part of it's lazy. Part of it's, we all have jobs and. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe if we could get on MDF, that'd be cool. Yeah.

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No, actually, speaking of that area and fests, there was some weird black metal fest that's happening in Baltimore. I forget when, but we got offered to play that, but we took too long to answer it, and we missed it. Do you remember what that was? Yeah, I can't remember what it was called. I think it's September or something. It seems very cult. It was just called the Noise Fest. Just shut up. Yeah, I mean, we'd love to do more shows, but right now,

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Those three are what we have booked and we're definitely open to playing more. Well, at least you play more than Dark Throne. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. That's true. That's part of the appeal though. Yeah. Is there a rule you guys have to go on early because of some members in the band? He thinks that maybe some of you guys... Cackling is neutrino just a rule. I don't sound like that. Neutrino cackle.

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George have an old member. Oh, yeah. He made me asleep earlier. I see. I forgot about that. Yeah. Nightline is just about to come on. George doesn't get humor, apparently. Germanicus has more energy than we do. He's more, I mean, he's someone who stays up all night and does weird satanic cult stuff. You know what? I'm really starting to wonder if, like, I really am looking across the vast history of black metal now and wondering if most interviews went like this where they'd be like,

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Bill doesn't, excuse me. Joey. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. I'm not screwing around with that. I like Eugene. It would be better if they were all names like that. Galen is actually Galen. Yes, that's my real name. I refuse to play that game. Yeah, it's great. It's great. I mean, George's middle name is Gideon. I mean, you don't have to fuck with that. It's not. I thought it was. No, it's just my fake name. Oh, that's your metal name.

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That's his Dungeons and Dragons name. Yeah, actually, no. Seriously, though. It is your name. Don't lie. I'm not lying. I'm telling the story. I used to play D&D back in the day, like many years ago. George, looking at you, they already knew it. Yeah. And, you know, I came up with a character name. It was Gideon Kane. And I took Gideon from one of the X-Title comic books. There was a character named Gideon. Yep, I remember.

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And Kane from Kane and Abel slash... Deckard Kane from Galbra. No, actually, there was a role-playing game. What the fuck was it called? It was a vampire one. But anyway, I can't remember the name of it, but the history of the game was that the first vampire was Kane. And so I stuck those two together, and that was my AOL name back in the day. So yeah, anyway. Do you still play D&D, George? What's that? Do you still play D&D?

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I have been trying. I haven't played in probably, I think I played once, like maybe 10 years ago, but I probably haven't really played in almost 20 years. I say this for all three of us, by the way, this isn't pointed at George, but you have to have friends to be able to play that game. That is basically, basically the thing is when I lived in Michigan, I had, you know, I grew up in Michigan and all my friends who played D&D, I played there and I moved here 17 years ago. And I've, I haven't known enough of people in the area to do that.

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I met some people at work once, like I said, about 10 years ago, who played. And I played with them a couple times. That petered out. And I just haven't known anybody around here to play with. He hasn't left his house since. Yeah. That's me, Mr. Agoraphobic. Actually, it almost is now. I work from home. Yeah. I do too. Mine are too. It's a sad lifestyle. Okay, back to the interview. George, go ahead. Fuck. This is the greatest fucking interview yet. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. They're going, we wish we could have talked about the album a little more.

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No. No, because you know why, George? I'm going to speak for them. They have all those stereotypical interviews, the same questions over and over again. And like you said, you're just going to speak for them. Because you just keep doing that the whole time. I'm going to hire you because they're press secretary. All right. I have one last. And then we'll get to the fucking pod. One last real question. This is the deep one here. Did you guys hear recently about the casting call for the new Ghostbusters movie looking for Metalheads?

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And did you go? Yes and no. Same. I just saw a lot of chatter on Facebook about all these dudes from around, like metal dudes I know from around here, like taking pictures. I'm like, whoa, Ghostbusters, bro. I'm really curious to what they're planning on doing with this. Well, I think the running theory on the pod now is that some metal band calls up some demon or something and the Ghostbusters got it coming and bust it. Maybe it was in Farah Brua.

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Oh, is that the name of a demon? Yeah, that's our band. It's made up. I know that, but I thought maybe that's right. It's a made up name. Yeah, wait, wait, who are you guys? Oh, man, I thought you guys were immortal or something. I have a question for Neutrino. Coming here from a different country, were you into metal before you came to the States here? Not really. Like, I was still only like 12 years old, I think, when I first came over. But so I was into like 80.

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Hard Rock, you know, like Bon Jovi, Europe, fucking, you know, that kind of stuff. With all the respect, you know, Prague is almost America anyway, isn't it? I mean, it's like really friendly to the American culture over there. Unless you're Randy Bly. Sorry, dude. I don't know. I wouldn't say it's really America. Well, I didn't mean that, but I mean, I remember for a while they even had like a cultural, some American dude, they were paying, literally the government paid him to be like the relation to American pop culture.

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I saw this story.

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Oh, okay.

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I see what you're saying.

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You mean like friendly to American culture?

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Yeah, I can see that.

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There's a lot of Americans actually that live there.

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I think there's like a decent sized American community just because it's cheap to live there.

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There's a lot of good cheap beer, you know, and it's just a pretty, pretty place to live.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, the only thing that even comes remotely close to metal back in those days for me was Guns N' Roses.

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Okay, that'll work.

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Appetite for destruction.

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Yeah, and that's kind of like where my turn towards like dark.

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- Remember the first album you heard here when you got to the States that really started your little... What headed you down the dark path? - Yeah, what took you on? - Yeah, I was thinking about this before the podcast, but it's kind of hard to nail down. I feel like, you know, it started with, I think maybe the Black Album by Metallica is what got kind of my eyes initially. Then Pantera, Sepultura, you know, thrash stuff like Testament and shit. And the more extreme stuff would have been like Morbid Angel and Napalm

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I remember when I first first first experience with extreme metal was I used to watch headbangers ball and they used to have this segment called into the pit and if you guys remember that it was like back in the day yeah it was always like at the end of the show like three in the morning and they would actually play like death metal videos yeah and I remember rapture came on I don't know if you guys remember that video but that sort of scared the shit out of me and I was kind of like terrified of it at the same time

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But I kind of knew that there was something special there. So I kept going back to it. And it all sort of, it all went downhill from there. You know, you could, I think it's okay that Bukes been answering your questions for you because that was basically his answer to that question too. You basically followed his path into the metal world. Bukes' path to destruction. And hey, let me just go on the record and say that, you know, mostly we listen to metal. But I think we all listen to other stuff too. I know we do. But Guns N' Roses, that appetite destruction, that's a great record, dude.

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And you know, I'm glad you're seconding me on that because that's one thing I always give Galen shit about is his appetite for destruction. And Guns N' Roses in general because he always classifies them as like cock rock nonsense. But I feel like there was something different about those guys. They were kind of like a counterweight to the cock rock stuff. They're so big now or whatever or then or whatever that you can't see through that haze. But I remember hearing that record before anybody I knew.

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who had it, like really. And I was like, this is the greatest fucking rock record I have heard in the longest time. And then it blew up. And then it was different. It was like Aerosmith meets punk rock. Actually, I had a friend loan it to me. I went to my friend and I said, did you even fucking listen to this, dude? Like, why did you not tell me this was the greatest thing I was, you know, whatever. That's a good record. Does Galen wear the Axl Rose tight spandex white shorts on stage and do the little snake?

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No, he doesn't do that. Yeah, no, no, it's not his style. Gail's not a fan, not a fan. Just do this, Nate, by the way.

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Nese, please. I'm sorry. You Could Be Mine is one of the greatest songs that's not a metal song ever. I think a TI2 driving through the fucking river. Yes. I mean, I disagree. I like my Michelle. You could be mine is the greatest G&R song. No, Rocket Queen.

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Rocket Queen. Oh yeah. Really? No mimey shouts out there? That last riff on Rocket Queen. I love the, I don't know what, there's probably a musical term for it, but when like halfway through the song, it just completely changes direction. I fucking love that. I think that's the actual musical term for it. Yeah, I mean, but back in those days, like they were doing, like Rocket Queen is a good example. You know, that was such a weird and like sleazy, dirty song. And it was long, you know?

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Before we get into the main juicy bits of the podcast, is there anything else that you want to plug or discuss? No. Classy. Dude, that's fucking classy, dude. I love that. That's cool. All right. Well, before we get into the guts of the podcast, why don't we play a song from the album In Conjuration? This first song that we're going to play is called Send My Ashes North. Can you just give us a little info on this song before we play it? Sure.

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It's sort of a different song for us in general. I feel like it's a little slower maybe in tempo and vibe. It's got a lot of different ideas meshed together, but I think it flows pretty well. And Ardroth, our drummer, actually wrote the lyrics for it. But yeah, it's a good one. It is. That's why I wanted to play it. All right, well, we're going to get into that now, and then we'll be right back.

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Amongst the weary black-rights in tears,

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crushed by way of darkening skies,

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amid the foreign monstrous void.

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Swallowed all and had destroyed

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Fish overcome by fire

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Tears crystallized

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There is no mind, I can see

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Laying wretched breeze Riding in pangled silk

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I've all died

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Wearing distant cries

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Rucked by the way of their cosmic poison

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A big, a morpid, terrible fight

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Swallowed through the burning strike

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Flesh, consumed by fire, tears, frozen mirrors, closed, broken fires, blind, or a rugged sea.

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And strained by sword you found a myth Leave only dust behind

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Deny your being Disappear from existence Destroy the legacy Death and scarcity

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Eighty-

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Feel the eyes

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Yeah, listen

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Send my ashes

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North

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All right, that was Send my ashes

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North from the album In Conjuration

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from the band Inferra

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Brew, who are still with us

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and hopefully will remain so through

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the rest of the episode as long as we don't

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piss them off.

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If they haven't left us yet,

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they're not going anywhere.

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Yeah, after that abuse, they just took. But I do want to pause for a minute and say, hey, cool. We love your stuff, guys. So thanks for letting us play your stuff. And thanks for coming, man. We love having you guys around. Most importantly, thanks for spending a Sunday here with us. Absolutely. Totally. I'd love to start an online Dungeons & Dragons circle, too, with you guys. You know what? I'll play. Holy shit. We can do that with the mics. I already have D20. It's an online Dungeons & Dragons thing. George says.

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above your old school self. We have Skype. I'm not smart enough to be a dungeon master, but I'm... That's why I play a barbarian or some stupid... What was that? Hulk smash. Yes, exactly. Buke crush. I'm the dungeon master. I'm like, oh, you walk down a tunnel, a bad guy appears. When Buke plays, he doesn't even name his character something else. His character's name is Buke.

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Me Buke, you die. I think it's actually a race. There's actually a couple of pretty good online. What is it? There's a couple of podcasts. Have you heard of them? Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. There is one. It's a group of guys who get drunk and play D&D. They are shit-faced just playing D&D. I haven't heard that one, but there's one with Brian Posehn. You know, the stand-up? Oh, yeah. What's that one called? I don't know the name of it.

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But there's a couple of them. That one's okay. But there's one called Adventure Zone, which is really good. You should check that out. I will. Actually, I'm going to jot those down. I'm an avid gamer, tabletop gamer. My brother came over last night and we were playing. I think it's like role-playing with Brian Posehn or something like that. How did you guys even hook up? We mean hook up. We mean meet. We hook up all the time. Awesome. I don't know. I think it was a physical flyer or something like that. Craigslist. It was Craigslist. Backpage.

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We need a bass player. Isn't that cool how that just happens? Yeah, it's awesome. And then a friendship comes from that. That's just so cool. It was very random. It was after a two-year break I took from metal and music in general. I was in a death metal band before that called Pillory. And when that broke up, I just went into a slump and hibernated. Black metal has always been served in my baby, so I wanted to get back into that.

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And I had a hard time finding really anybody into it around here, believe it or not, even though it's a decent sized city. So I just kept checking Craigslist and finally found this thing that popped up that was signed like looking for a bass player, evil black metal band. And you're like, God, you wrote this to me? Yeah. And then I think you guys sent me a link or something. That's so cool how that works out. I was pretty blown away by it. That is cool.

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Plus if it's Craigslist you can put like looking for evil bass player also have 1976 lawnmower trained to so you know just kind of do everything it wants man also you know for an hour meet uh charge 100 hearts or something like that you know no cockpicks and stuff like that so let's get into things here um first thing i want to mention we just spent the last week without jay jay's been out wandering around in the wilderness for the last seven days or so completely cut off and from communication of any kind it was

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That was wonderful. Fuck you, man. Yeah. Well, we were just discussing this earlier. It was kind of like... Remember, I didn't text you. You text me. You go, Jay. You just agree with me then. I got a text last night as I'm sitting around playing some tabletop board games last night. I get a message from George, or just maybe two nights ago. It was last night. Yeah. George goes, have you heard from Jay? No. He goes, I have to admit, I'm having some Jay with me.

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Withdraw.

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I long to hear that from all my friends.

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You guys are all my friends.

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I said, I don't care.

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Yeah, he doesn't.

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Oh, fuck you.

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He's like, I hope you got to eat my bear.

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I said, I have enough friends.

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I don't need another Bay Area friend.

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That's harsh.

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Is it hard being a vegan camping, Jay?

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No, he just chews on the grass around him.

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He just eats the berries and the nuts and the mushrooms around him.

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Yes, I was in the mountains.

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I was in the beautiful Sierra Nevada mountains and let me just say

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were you drinking Sierra Nevada beer please say no

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I do I do

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and I have to tell you I'll just say this

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if you haven't been to California it's the most diverse

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most beautiful state in the union

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I don't care if anybody says we got deserts

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we got oceans we got mountains so I was up

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in the mountain lakes I had no cell service

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whatsoever and I had

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George and Buke withdrawal Buke obviously

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less so because

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because he's an asshole

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No, as you may hear on the pod, we keep a constant conversation going, you know, via text. So it's like we I'm so used to talking to you guys like every day to go a whole week. It was just weird. It was a breakup. It was weird. So I'm back. The point is I'm back and it's nice to have my boys back. I miss you fellas, too. I'm glad to be back. And we got a lot to talk about like online and offline. So welcome back. So last week about this time, I went to the

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Faith No More show at Meriwether Post Pavilion in Columbia, Maryland. And I don't go to a lot of larger shows like this. I tend to go to club shows. And I wouldn't say I'm a huge Faith No More fan. At least I wasn't before this show. All right. You know, when The Real Thing came out back in 89, 90, it was my senior year of high school. And I fucking loved that album back then. And I liked Angel Dust and a smattering of songs since then. But, you know, if I'd never heard them again,

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I wouldn't have been too sad but when

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Sol Invictus came out I was

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intrigued and I like it and when I saw

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they were coming around I was

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having dinner talking talking to my

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wife and I was like huh faith no more

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and she expressed a little bit of

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interest in going which is something

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we don't often do together go to

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shows because our tastes do not

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overlap in any way and so I was like

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fuck it let's go so my wife and I went

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to the show and we both fucking loved

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it it was pretty damn amazing I mean

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They're not particularly metal to begin with, but their show was pretty heavy. And what I was discussing with my wife was that it was a really good mix of playing heavy and accessible at the same time. But it was like in a schizophrenic sort of way. It's like they would just fucking balls out, be fucking headbanging, and then transition smoothly into like easy listening, jazzy kind of stuff, you know? And it was just like, wow.

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George, we're talking to black metal guys. Hurry up. I see them blazing over. I'm curious to know what they think of them. I used to be a very big Faith No More fan. I still appreciate some of their stuff. It's one of those bands that not all of it aged well with me. I actually prefer stuff from King for a Day and Album of the Year over the first stuff like The Real Thing. I think the new album's okay, although it's almost like too much

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Nostalgia. It almost sounds, it's weird, because they still sound like Faith No More, and it's been so long since they put on any music. I didn't get the opportunity to see them live. I'd like to see them live. I don't know how much I'd spend on a ticket, but I'd like to see them. You know, just to give a slightly different perspective, first of all, I'm not really a huge fan. I mean, I know him, and I kind of don't like Mike Patton that much, to be honest with you, but just as a guy. You know what I mean? Totally.

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I used to work at this bookstore in Tucson, Arizona, many years ago. And it was right when the real thing came out. And it was right when it started to turn. So it was sort of like they had still a bunch of club shows to do, but they needed to start playing bigger places. And we sold tickets at this bookstore. So I got free tickets. And I went and I was just as you say, George, I was blown away. I was just like, this is one of the greatest. And it was also cool to be there like right when it was breaking. Yeah. You know, which, by the way, I saw Guns N' Roses, very similar situation. We're just talking about them at a place in Tucson before.

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or Appetite for Destruction blew up. I saw them at a club. Yeah. Nice. Awesome. But anyway, so it was a cool show, George, when I saw them. One of the things I wanted to highlight about it was pretty much every live show I've ever been to, I've always liked the album better. It's like live shows may be good, but it's never going to be as good as what's on the album because on the album you have, you know, all the stuff that you can't have live to make it sound better. Yep. But this Faith No More show sounded better than the albums. Hmm. And I mean, it's been

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a week and I'm still singing the songs in my head. I was like, wow. You know, because I went and I was like, okay, what about this song? And I went back and listened to the album and I was like, that's all right. It wasn't nearly as good as what was live. And you hear people say that, that, oh, it was better than the album. And I've never really experienced that before this. I was just going to say, yeah, I usually agree with that. The only two bands I can think of that blew me away live more in that way are Opeth and Dillinger Escape

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All right, cool. Oh, they're fucking, well, those guys only got epilepsy on stage, man. Especially, like, in the early days of Dillinger when I saw them. Yeah, yeah. Like, that fucking, yeah. Yeah, like, how did those guys not hurt themselves? You know what I mean? Like, seriously. I think it's, yeah, like, one of the dudes wears, like, knee pads and stuff. Is that right? Yep. All right. The, you know, I lost my train of thought there. Well, there you go. Couldn't have been very important. Sorry. Oh, I know, I was this. I predict when you guys go to barbecue, I'm kind of into,

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There's a new band I like right now called Mutoid Man. I'm thinking when you guys see them live, I think you're going to come away thinking, holy fucking shit. I haven't seen them live, but I looked them up on YouTube. They look pretty great. You already sort of touched on this, so I don't know if you want to go into it in more detail, but I was going to ask you about the Neurosis show last night. Talk it up. Neurosis. Flawless. We saw them actually not too long ago. Had the good luck to see them in Providence. Was that last year? Yeah, that was at the HP Lovecraft

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convention. Yeah, it was like a one-off thing they did.

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Yeah, that's very, very cool.

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Yeah.

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You got to talk about that too.

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Go ahead, but I got to hear about this Lovecraft thing.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, and so, well, I just wanted to bring that up because I'm sort of comparing those two shows because the first one really sort of blew my mind.

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I haven't seen them since like this, when was that?

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I saw them initially, like the Through Silver and Blood tour.

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Wow, that was a while ago.

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Yeah, and not since then.

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Actually, I think the last time was like at OzFest.

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I think they were getting so much exposure back then. I think I saw them on a side stage at AusFest with all these huge bands like Machine Head and fucking Marilyn Manson and stuff. And not since then. And when I saw them in Providence last year, they really kind of blew my mind. I could easily say that it's probably top three shows I've ever seen. And yesterday was also amazing, but it was a smaller venue.

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It was just harder to feel the music, I guess, because there's dudes standing right in front of you. The Providence show was packed. Yeah, it was packed, just wall to wall. But what was cool about yesterday is the sound, I felt, was a lot more in your face, just because the room was smaller. So it was just like the sound was just crushing. Yeah, they are so fucking heavy. Yeah, they really are. I think a lot of Doom bands that are calling themselves Doom bands

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You need to see that band live. Oh, totally. And see what being heavy and slow and intense is all about. They're so emotionally heavy. Honestly, so much of it is just the way that they play. They're just pouring their hearts into every fucking note that they play. And it's not posturing either. You can tell that they're just about to collapse emotionally. And the sound feels that way too because the electronics busting through the speakers,

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it feels like they're breaking the you know the house system with like every note that they hit oh man crushing just just to drive that home about the way they emote the new steve on till solo album is not in any way heavy but it's so fucking heavy you know what i mean like i mean it is that there's oh you showed it's just totally like this it's not neurosis by any strange sense it's sort of acoustic stuff but it's still it's like heavier than half the doom bands out there because yeah yeah because of the way he puts it forward have you heard it george do you have it uh i've heard bits and

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I've been meaning to go back and listen to it in full. Yeah, you'll like it. I liked what I heard. That was a great show report, by the way. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. And they even busted out the percussion stuff like they used to do back in the day. So they had both guitar players on percussion. And that smaller environment is just fucking, like I said, crushing. Cool. Excellent. And yeah, I also wanted to mention that I'm not huge into Doom in general. So slower music like that needs to be pretty special.

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for me, in order to be able to pay attention. It's rare for me to get into slow and sort of like booting, meditative stuff. Another band I can think of is Sobrosa. I don't know if you guys got into them last year. They put out a really good album. They're another good example. Yeah, Galen's not a fan. I'm getting caught. Well, I think we would pitch to you the new Bell Witch record. You should at least try it, man. I did. I did. I did. That's pretty... Okay, there you go. Just leave it at that. I did. Yeah.

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I did.

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Oh,

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I'm loving that record.

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So how about the weather?

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All right.

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Well,

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uh,

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as Jay mentioned,

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uh,

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next weekend,

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Buke and I,

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and,

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uh,

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will brewer will are going to be heading down to Richmond for the

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barbecue festival.

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Should be a good time.

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It was a good time last year.

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It was a fucking amazing time last year,

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uh,

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But this time, while we will be recording, Buk managed to score an interview with GWAR. Yes, sir. So I will be taking my mush mouth self backstage talking to some member of GWAR. If it's Blothar or Jismak or whoever. You better do a good job. Otherwise, somewhere in the afternoon, some person's going to walk up to me and tap me on the shoulder and be like,

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Are you from the Metalheads podcast? And I'll be like, yes. And they're just going to hand me a box and go, here's what's left. Fucking Gwar destroyed him. I'm going to be like Odorous from last year. Yes, Gwar, I've seen their interviews before. They're fucking whacked out. They're out there. I got confirmation. I'm talking to one member of the group. I don't know who. We'll see. With my fucking talent and what I bring to the table, if they give me Odorous's ashes from last year, I can make

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Something happened. Just pick it up and be like, hello, my name's Ed Rich. I need a wheat score in the microphone. I did reach out to Valkyrie and Mutoid Men. They're management people, so hopefully those will also be on the pod next week. But it's a great fucking day. We had a blast last year. Yeah, while he's doing this, Will and I will be drinking beer. I'll be drinking beer beforehand. But guys, can I tell you how devoted the fans were last year to get

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to this barbecue to remind people, George and I met two guys who took a Greyhound bus from Arizona to Richmond last year. I hope we come across those guys. It was like 56 hours on a fucking Greyhound bus one way. That's nuts. But it was the funeral last year too, though, right? I mean, it might be a different scene this year. But also, there's hot-patted girls in bathing suits. It's a fucking great day.

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And down is gonna be there you guys down fans

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Look at first. Yeah, I haven't heard like oh, I'm good. I'm more interested in chewing my food and talking

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Yeah, well, you know with a boy always eaten and it's probably made a little hungry. I

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Look, I love Nola, but yes, sir. I sort of stopped paying attention after that. Yeah, me. Yeah, okay

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Actually, the new EP is pretty good. You guys might check out those ladies. Yeah, I like the first EP better

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I'm excited to see clutch cuz I I know they have a rabbit following around the country

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them. I saw them last time I saw them was at the Rock on the Range in Columbus, Ohio. I was out there with Charm City Devils. I went with them to shoot photos and stuff. That's one of my favorite stories is to talk about how I had the backstage pass at this big festival. A, I got to be backstage at Motley Crue. But even cooler is me and one of the guys in the band went to the

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It was like a dinner tent where they had a bunch of picnic tables set up and you know, everybody could go and just like grab a little food from the catering and I grabbed some food and went and sat down next to my friend and this guy came along and sat down across from me with his food and it was fucking Neil Fallon. Wow. So I'm like trying to eat my hot dog across from Neil Fallon without like freaking out. Or being phallic in any way. Would you say they're the biggest local band? From around here for sure. Yeah. Because they are kind of local from our area.

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I saw him last year with Mastodon. It's a good show. They're just kind of a straightforward rock. Clutch. They're bored. Just fucking move on. No, they're laughing. No, no, no, no. Galen has an interesting clutch story. Yeah, Galen, share your clutch story with us. I have no clutch stories. I don't know, but when Trapped On played in Europe and some dude was really psyched to see Clutch, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, Clutch, yeah. Yeah, share it. I guess it's not much of a story, but I'm not a clutch guy.

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I think I saw them open for Motorhead and I

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walked I left the room well here's what was interesting I thought anyway the story

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was when you first told it is that this dude came up he's like oh yeah I came here to see you guys you

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know trapped an American band and also clutch yeah yeah and and he's like what are you you know what

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bands are you excited about and Gail's like oh man I can't wait to see Tripticon and this dude was

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like oh who gives a fuck about Tripticon like you know that must have been Buke that must have been me

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Is that Hellfest in Denmark? It was in Denmark. What is the biggest show Trap Them has played? Probably those European fests. That was called Copenhagen. I have to ask you again about playing those shows. There I go. Step on you. When you play those shows in front of thousands of people, is it any different on stage being in that small nightclub with a couple people?

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No, not really. The only difference with those things is everything's a little, well, at least in that situation, everything was like way more put together. Plenty of time to set stuff up. And it was also weird because they made us wait backstage to like, you know, we couldn't just go out there and do our own stuff. They're like, you know, wait. So this is sort of weird, like thing I'm not used to. You'd ruin your presence. Ruin the presence. Yeah. Coming out like that. Someone introduced us. It's the guy from Trip.

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You know what's good? I'm gonna skip their set now. Did you was there a punchline to the clutch story? Well, I just thought it was interesting that like some somebody like a band like Tripticon in Europe Europe so like it pass a to them. Yeah, they don't they want to see they want to see clutch who to me are no offense to anyone. They're just like to me like a shitty bar band. Oh, no. Yeah, you know George George and I are I've got the I've got the podcast headline title fucking in Farrah Brewer hates clutch

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Go Blabbermouth is seeing it tomorrow. It's a controversy. George and I are massive. You know what the thing is though guys? There's not enough honesty like that going around so I really appreciate that. You know you don't need to be friends with everybody. You know I thought you were going to go a different way with that story and I have to tell you just a really short story. My brother who has unfortunately since passed on but he met Alice Cooper one time. He used to film golf tournaments and he met Alice Cooper and my brother was like the biggest Twisted Sister fan.

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And he goes up to Alice Cooper and he's like, yeah, I remember when you guys did that thing with that song with Twisted Sister. You were on that. That was really cool and everything. And he just kept telling these stories like this. And finally Alice Cooper looks at my brother and he goes, are you really kind of more of a Twisted Sister? Because he just kept asking Alice Cooper questions about Twisted Sister. Sort of reminds me. So I love that somebody came up to you and they were like, yeah, I don't give a shit about your band.

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I'm really excited about. Gentlemen, your favorite band in the metal scene right now is? Are you talking like current stuff? No, anything. Anything. I don't know. Neutrino, what do you got? It's hard to say because there's no one band I can say. It's more like records, I guess. That's cool. What do you listen to right now? Well, actually, you know what? Save that. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. I mean, like one record that kind of blew my mind this year was kind of obscure.

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I don't know if you're familiar with those guys.

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You told me about them.

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I picked that up based on that recommendation.

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Did you check that out?

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I did.

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I'm still trying to figure it out.

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It's very weird.

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The music is cool.

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The vocals are a little rough.

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I mean, they're actually clean, but they're weird.

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Very strange stuff.

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Yeah, but that's probably, I don't know, that's probably my number one for this year so far.

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I don't know.

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My tastes kind of shift.

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I was super obsessed with that French band Alsest for a while.

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Yep. Yep. Yep. Which has sort of faded since, you know, ever since they put out that last record, which is not really metal anymore. That's a good call. You want to throw anything in there? I don't know. I mean, I listen so much, so much to the same. I don't know. This, this, this band, the Death Trip. Okay. Little known, uh, band. Never heard of them. Yeah. That's a little. It's, it's little. It's, uh, sort of Thorns-ish. You know, Thorns and other obscure band.

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Have you guys heard Toombs? Yep. I love Toombs. I saw them live and they won me over for sure. Yeah, we're Toombs fans. We interviewed him a while back. Yep, I heard that one. Okay. Why don't we get into some news? Where did this come from? It says this could be the last year of Mayhem Fest.

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Yeah, apparently, I don't know, maybe

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Carrie King talking shit about it.

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Oh, it's literally that comment.

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But I don't know. I just saw something

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that said that they're talking

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about it being the last year, possibly

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for money reasons.

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People aren't going, I think, I heard.

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Yeah, the attendance is horrible.

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And why would you go, by the way?

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Yeah, it's a fucking piece of shit.

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Yeah, I mean, I would have liked to have seen

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King Diamond, but we have a news story later

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that takes care of that one.

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So, whatever.

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Actually, I mean, it kind of surprises me, though.

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I mean isn't Deathcore and like all that shit still pretty big and isn't like new metal coming back and stuff yeah but I think they they're mixing it up like Slayer headline this year and I think you're losing you're either losing everybody in the afternoon or in the evening you know what I mean like I don't think the metalcore guys like Slayer and the Slayer guys don't like metalcore so and it's a bullshit thing anyway right they always have like one good band that I'm like I'll just wait till they come and I could stand by themselves always every year so but and I say and maybe it's just run its course you know Ozfest is not around anymore

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And I think that's because people weren't coming. Yeah. Good riddance to it. Also. Agreed. Yeah. Not sorry to see it go, mind you. Phil Anselmo came out this week, again was asked about a possible Pantera reunion. Phil was asked if it again will happen. Phil said he, what's been the constant holdup to this is Vinnie Paul. Right. Oh, he came out and said that he respects Vinnie Paul's decision. If Vinnie Paul doesn't want to do it,

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It wasn't going to be any good anyway, dude. I beg to differ. If Vinnie Paul and Phil and Rex and let's say a Zach Wild were on guitar, it would be fucking amazing. It would sell out. They could play major venues. Everybody wants to hear those songs again. Well, I also think Vinnie Paul's been kind of a dick about the whole thing.

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I think he has too, but I will admit they've all been respective the whole time saying if it's not Dimebag, it's not happening. And I mean, even Phil came out and said he can't sing songs like Cemetery Gates anymore. So it wouldn't be very good. That's true too. That is the thing. Yeah. I feel like not even songs like that, but I don't know. How old is Phil these days? What is he like pushing? He's late 40s, like 47 or so. I'll look it up. I think he's actually 50.

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Yeah, speaking of, I forget what podcast he's on. Oh, yeah, he was on Metal Sucks recently. Metal Sucks podcast, and man, he sounds fucking wrecked. Yeah, he's pretty old now. He sounds like a, his voice is like a pebble in a tin can. Yeah, yeah. And not only that, like, Panther used to be such a, like, high energy band. You know, can you really see Phil, like, really putting forth that kind of energy these days? I don't think Phil can see it. I don't think so. He's 47, by the way, so I just looked it up.

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That's what I said.

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You know, yeah.

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Well, so maybe that has passed.

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You know what I mean?

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Maybe that just couldn't happen in any real what's the coin.

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I could see maybe like a reunion show type thing maybe.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I could buy that, yeah.

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Or maybe even like a short tour or something like that.

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We'd all pitch in and get you there, Buke.

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But you know, I have no problem somebody stepping in, filling in for Dime.

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I'm sorry, he was killed.

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But you know what?

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It's tragic, but.

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This is a very different thing, so don't take this at face value. But there could not be a Led Zeppelin reunion without Jimmy Page. And honestly, Dime was a pretty important member of that band, dude. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, he had such a huge vibe to him. His whole sound was so unique. It'd be really tough to replicate, I feel. It's just his whole energy was the band, basically. Unique. Very unique. So like Zach Wild, I'm sure

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He could play the stuff, but it would be so different. And we'd have to listen to him do those damn squeals every three seconds. Yeah. I'm always trying to get Galen to do that shit, but he refuses. I cannot listen to him for that very reason. I just can't. All right. I'm going to move us on to the next one here because I think it's a pretty cool story, which is Lamb of God, new record, hit number two on the Billboard charts. Debuted at number two, I'm assuming, correct? I believe so. Damn. That's pretty good. Yeah. I think they sold

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like 12 copies to get that but you know it's about what it takes these days but it's still it's still cool but yeah you're right debut number two is still fucking awesome because you know every all the press still references the billboard charts i'm sure they skip over the metal albums but i wonder what number one was i didn't i didn't check oh that's a good question yeah i'll look it up in a little while all right so uh

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On the last episode, I mentioned that there was some big King Diamond news coming down. And we speculated and were correct that that news is that on a forthcoming tour, they will be performing the entire Abigail album. It's my favorite King Diamond album. Yeah, I remember when we went to the Fillmore last year to see him come by. Buke was devastated that they did not play, what was it, Black Horsemaners? Abigail. Oh, was it Abigail Song?

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Oh, yep. Okay. I love the song. Yep. Well, you guys fans. Yo. Yeah. I love this. Sorry. He's not even talking to us. He's not talking to us. Oh, yeah. I'm that's my favorite one too. With the exception of the two previous merciful fate records, which are my true favorites. But I thought it was not going to stop, man. Actually, he's got one record before that. That was not that great fatal portrait. Um, but other than that, he was like, it's, it's fine. It's just not as good as Abigail, but that was a great run. That's like four or five of my favorite records. He's on like,

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from basically the first merciful fate through like them,

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you know?

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Yep.

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Definitely.

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One of the great runs in metal.

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So I'm totally going to go to this show.

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Yeah,

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me too.

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Assuming you're going to go to guys.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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The voice of dissent.

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Did you see him last time when they were in Worcester?

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King Diamond?

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King Diamond?

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No,

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no,

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that's one of the,

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I'm not,

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I'm not,

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I'm not huge on like the,

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the classic stuff.

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Unfortunately,

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I'm kind of ashamed of it.

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You should be.

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Galen always gives me shit for that too.

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I don't know, man.

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For some reason, some of that stuff just kind of bypassed me.

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And now that I have Spotify, I'm kind of using that as sort of like a research tool.

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I'm going back and checking out a lot of the old school stuff.

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And I like a lot of it, but I just didn't really grow up with it in my formative years.

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And that matters too.

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That really does matter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So it's kind of like I know Buke isn't huge into like Motorhead, right? Right. You mean not at all? Yeah. To put it mildly. This is kind of the same for me with some of this, you know, it's like, especially King Diamond, man, those vocals. Yeah, you kind of had to be there. For what it's worth, that was kind of the extreme metal of the time. I mean, really. I mean, Bathory was around then. There was a couple others, but he was this other extreme that was happening. And so it was kind of thrilling in that way. And then when he was

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it got through you and you really started to kind of dig it and understand it and it was just like addictive you know i get i get that yeah i actually there's another really good podcast called requiem podcast i don't know if you guys are familiar with that i don't think it's around anymore yeah but they did sort of like uh one-off episodes about like they'll just do a whole episode about a band or maybe even just like a record right now and so that's a really good sort of resource for some of these older bands and i just listened to one uh about merciful fate and

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They were kind of, you know, going into the history of it, kind of like you were just now, Jay, you know, and like, I sort of started to get it, you know, there's like sort of like moments of understanding for me. So I'm getting better. I'm getting better. Even if you don't like King Diamond, you got to go back and do the merciful faith thing. Yeah, that's the thing, the riffs and stuff. They, they, the first time I heard Melissa, like scared me. Literally, I was a little kid. Nice. I missed that. Yeah, and it couldn't scare you now, secondarily. But, but those two records, don't break the oath of Melissa, I'll probably

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I just think they're just as important as Number of the Beast or any of the other ones from the 80s. I really think so. They're that good. Yeah. So apparently even Vaken loses money most years. If Vaken can't make money, can metal survive? You know, it's like the biggest metal festival around as far as I know. And if they're losing money, what the fuck? Actually, I have an answer for that. I just came up with it just now. Okay. And I sound kind of silly, but it will survive. But really what won't survive is,

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individual bands will not last as long as they used to.

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Because you just, you can't make, and it's not about making a living.

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I know our guests don't ever expect to make a living with all due respect, I'm sure, right?

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I mean, guys, you're probably not going to buy a house.

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And so I think maybe musicians in a way can't survive, so to speak, if you use it in the sort of pay your bills sort of sense.

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But I think, but there'll always be enough people coming in and out of the meat grinder to be a lot of cool new bands always.

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You know, it's always going to be around.

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Yeah, people are going to want to make music.

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I agree with that.

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No matter what people are going to make music, whether or not they're successful at it, like monetarily is different. And almost impossible these days, even for non-metal bands. I am shocked to hear that doesn't make money every year, George. Yeah, I mean, 100,000 people, you would think at, what is it, like 50, 60 euro a day. That's crazy. Yeah. You'd think that would make money. Oh, you would, dude. Yeah. It's like the Bay Bridge. 200,000 people a day go across the Bay Bridge here.

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they can't make money you know what i mean i was reading that article

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apparently they don't really have a lot of sponsors so i think that has oh is that right

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yeah i think that's kind of like a purposeful thing you know they kind of try to keep the corporate

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element out um but yeah it's it's strange man especially because it's like out in the middle of nowhere

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you know what do you wait how much can it cost for you know yeah something in a field you know

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well a lot of it's paying the big bands to the bands yeah i was gonna ask you what do you wager

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they're paying the headliners. Oh god, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, yeah. Obviously too much. Certain bands probably, you know, it probably depends who it is, but like, yeah, I'm sure there are certain bands that break their bank. Yeah. I mean, one, I know like Slayer usually gets like 20 grand, although that was a while ago when I heard that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think it's got any better though. I was really surprised recently. I was reading an interview with, oh, Bill Ward, who was talking about why he was

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with Sabbath and all this. And one of the things Bill complained about was they had done some festivals and he thought they should be making more than the like $25,000 they were being paid for those shows. And that was Sabbath. Reunion Sabbath was not getting, I mean, Ozzfest, I'm sure they got tons of money, but still. So I don't think they are paying them that much. It's crazy. Yeah. I know George and I talked a little online about MDF. Now it's kind of a similar thing. I don't understand how the financials of that fest work as well.

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I can't conceive of how they

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continue to operate. I mean, there can't be more than

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how many people you think were there, Buke?

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Like 5,000? Maybe?

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If. Maybe not even that?

01:51:11.400 --> 01:51:14.020
Not even that, George. Maybe two or three.

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Can they even be paying half those bands enough money to fly here?

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That was what we were speculating on

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was, you know, like

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Venom coming over, you know.

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How much does it cost for them

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to fly over here?

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I would assume they're not bringing gear, that they're getting gear here, so they're not having to haul all of that. George, that parking lot was not even a third full. No. Well, you mean the parking lot where the stages were? Yes. Yeah, that's the thing. It was a decent amount of people, but it wasn't a festival. Those tickets are pretty expensive, though, aren't they? It was like $200 a pop. That was a $180 for three days, I think. That was a lot, though. That covering the other venue.

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Right, but those places are so small that they're not going to make that much anyway. Plus, overhead is probably pretty low for like a parking lot in the middle of Baltimore. You know? Right, but you know, it was... You're going to brought it down there. That was good. Yeah, well, it'd be fun to go to the last one next year. I hope not, man. No, me too, me too. I want to try to make it out this time. For the sake of argument, let's say there were 5,000 people, and each of those 5,000 people,

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and people paid $60 a day for the Edison lot. Holy shit. This is going to get ugly. You know we don't have a math guy, George. Where are you going with this? Let's see. $5,000 times 60. You put yourself in this box. Okay, I got it. Yeah, I already fucked that up because I was thinking it was $30,000. That's actually $300,000, isn't it? $300,000. So that's a budget. Yeah, that's not as bad as I was thinking it was. They really didn't have that many vendors and stuff that they probably had to pay out to. Well, yeah, it was funny because,

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The bands didn't have merch booths really. None. Toombs said they did, but I never saw it. It was all like they were piggybacking off of other vendors that had set up stuff. Yeah, the labels were there and there were just like people selling albums and t-shirts and stuff, but there weren't like band tables where you go, oh, okay, I'm going to get the... This is a Toombs table. Right. This is a Blood Red Throne table. Right, and so we never saw anything. Thanks for giving us two examples. That was helpful.

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Good man, Buke. Well, all right. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Another thing I thought maybe some of these things could be funded. Like maybe one of the dudes that puts it on might be sitting on a trust fund or something. It really could, dude. You know, like there's some shows in New York like that. Like, are you guys familiar with the band Virus? Nope. It's kind of like avant-garde Norwegian black metal. It's definitely not black metal. It's not black metal. It comes from the scene. Yeah.

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But there's this dude in New York who put on a show with them and he basically just like... Spent all his personal money, right? Yeah, he spent everything out of pocket. He probably lost like three grand on it. So sometimes it's passionate dudes with some money. Maybe they'll just lose it. There's a guy here in the Bay Area who every year puts on a really famous bluegrass festival. And it's like everybody comes from like Emmylou Harris to Elvis Costello. It's huge. It's huge. It's in the park. It's for a full two days.

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It's free to anybody who wants to come. He's one of the.com guys. Actually, he just died, but he was like one of the.com Microsoft bullshit guys. So I think you're right. Or like Spicoli on Fast Times who took his reward money and had Van Halen play it at his birthday party. Remember that? Or Bam Margera had Slayer play it at his fucking birthday or something. Is that true? Yeah. For him and his 50 friends, that's pretty sick. That's totally cool, man.

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So, Corey Taylor says that younger metal fans don't care about the roots of metal. I'm not putting a lot of stock in what Corey Taylor has to say, but I thought it was an interesting conversation to have because, like, on the last episode, the guys from Perihelion, you know, they were younger guys.

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They made us feel old.

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Yeah, they were really young.

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And it's interesting to see. I mean, they actually had a pretty decent repertoire of older metal. Sort of. Particularly Ansh. Brandon, not as much. But I can see where he's coming from with this. That, you know, the kids today are like, bring me the horizon is awesome. Black Sabbath is stupid. You know, and that makes me sad. It's just weirder to hear like those kids we had last week and they're very nice guys.

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really talented. But it was just interesting to hear them. You could tell they'd sort of read about it. You know what I mean? And obviously they listen to some. And that just makes, and all I'm saying is that makes me feel old. But I want to hear what Gail and Nutrino have to say about this because first of all, they cast some glances at each other. And I know, I think we have two different experiences over there. So I'd like to hear what it is. Yeah, I don't really care what that guy has to say much either. But I did listen to that little blurb. And I don't know if it's necessarily,

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It's sort of sad and tragic. I agree with him on that. But I don't know if it's necessarily an age or generational thing. Because, yeah, I don't know. Like, I'll talk shit on Neutrino since I'm right in front of him. But I know that he, well, he already said, there's a lot of stuff he is now re-exploring, going backwards and getting into it. Yeah, but it took me until age 36. Right. That's pretty tragic. Right. And for me, like, yeah, all the root stuff is very, very important, you know.

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But I'm going to defend you, Neutrino, a little bit. You made a really good point, dude. There's a difference between growing up with it. Some of it was more relevant. And it's still extremely relevant to those of us who were there when it happened. Believe me, when you heard Scorpion's Blackout, right now that sounds like a pop record. But at the time, you're like, just metal, man. You know what I mean? I get that. I was into something. I worshipped Black Sabbath since the beginning.

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Yeah. And the other thing is the fact that you are willing to go back and you're like, all right, well, what's the big deal with this? Just back then, you know, you're just kind of stupid and closed minded. And especially like the whole black metal thing kind of like swept over me. And I was like, yeah, black metal or nothing, you know. Yeah. You know, and so it was really easy to be dismissive, you know. Yeah. And I regret that because like I can tell that there's a lot of significance to the old stuff. And so I'm trying my best, Galen. Yeah.

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Galen, if there was one thing you thought he should appreciate, really, like something that's like a real cornerstone in your growth and the things you loved or loved. Old Judesies. Yeah, that's what I mean, old Judesies. I was going to say, Galen, absolutely. Yep, between that and Sin After Sin, those are the two for me. Cool. Well, Galen was also kind of lucky because he was an older bro. I did. I had an older brother who put a lot of this stuff on me, which is awesome. And not everybody has that. What's that? Not everybody has that. And you can't blame it.

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these kids, I guess, you know, if they just don't care and they don't get it, then. Yeah. I have a one-year-old daughter and it's a constant assault of metal to her all the time. Nice. And she's going to hate it. No. Because she's going to be like, this is what my dad listened to constantly. I'm going to listen to something else. George, she won't have a choice. She will. She's going to rebel. You watch. But then, because the rebellion, they come back. That's the thing. Yes. They all come back home in the end. Whoa. Aw, kitty. Aw.

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See, these guys have the black metal cat. Jay, get that fucking poser cat out of here. That's Sugar, man. She's our family. She's got corpse paint, bro. Can't you see? Thank you. Well played, dude. She's chewing on my microphone wire. So if I cut out here at any time, I apologize. But yeah, the whole Corey Taylor thing, I don't know. Part of it kind of makes me feel old, too, because I feel like just complaining about stuff like that is kind of like

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an old grumpy man thing. He's like, ah, fuck it. Fucking kids these days, you know? But honestly, they really should be listening to it. I mean, you can take the point of view at, well, this is 40 years before their time or 30 years before their time. And, you know, but when I came up in metal, I mean, granted, I've been around and seen a great majority of metal's history, but I didn't get into metal until the early 80s. And so, you know, like Black Sabbath and anything from the 70s,

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That was all discovery for me. I had to go back and find it and discover the roots. And I don't know. I don't think that they have to do this, but I think they're doing themselves a disservice if they don't. But kids who are listening to like jazz today, are they giving like Muddy Waters credit? Well, Lead Belly credit for their... Lead Belly and Muddy Waters aren't jazz, they're blues. That's what I meant. Are they giving them credit?

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for their early... Probably. Or are they saying, "Oh, that sounds like shit"? Kids listen to jazz? I mean, I'm not a big blues. Our guests last week actually were a really talented metal group, if you guys listen, and they were supposed to play jazz bands on the side. What's the band name? Perihelion. Perihelion. Real talented kind of technical death stuff from their area, Maryland. Nice. They were in the studio and they came in. Nice.

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But George, do you think it gets to a point where you're like, it's just old, I'm not going to listen to it just because it's old? I believe that's the case. And I think, like I said, I think they're doing themselves a disservice and just being snarky because they're young and stupid. You know what, I think another element maybe that I think affected me was like production value. Because I feel like when you're exposed to something that's like produced the way it is these days, you know, like some of this like death core shit, it's just like, you know, scooped crazy, compressed

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and then you go and listen to something like Motorhead. It just sounds pussy. You know what? You can say the same thing with black metal. I mean, how many kids who are really getting into you guys right now are really going to really understand Dark Throne? The first ones. Transylvania, so on and so forth. And I would wager they wouldn't. I think a lot of those guys would just be like, it's like grandpa music or something, dude. I'm sure 90% of people who are really into Deaf Heaven have probably never heard Dark Throne. Yes. That's a great point, guys.

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I saw an interesting conversation on Facebook earlier today with a band and one of the guys in the band was saying that he was wondering if his band was going to suffer based on the fact that they don't use backing tracks live because so many of the bands particularly the the metalcore deathcore bands use backing tracks that the kids out there today expect a certain sound in a show and these

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these bands using the backing tracks their show sounds better because of all the tape that's rolling and that a band that is not using tracks is going to sound not as good to them interesting and i was like that's a good point because i mean you know if you have various sound effects that you have to roll on tape but you can't do because you're a four-piece band in a bar i get it it's a great point but you know there's a certain point where where you should be playing it and not taping it but

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Yes, I'd say that. Yeah, I'm a pretty strong stance anti-banging track. I mean, I think that shit is garbage. And you can tell the difference. Even if it sounds good production-wise, it sounds more like an album. It doesn't necessarily sound like a live band. Which is not cool. And so when a band sounds like a live band, the kids are going to go, oh, that's terrible. But I see you, Galen, again, I think that's an age thing. You grew up in a time where I would say,

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You and George and I in particular, and I know Buke actually loves live records. I used to love to get a live record because I wanted to know how different it was going to be and how what they did. Yeah, or where they even screwed up or whatever. So, yeah, I think people are missing that. People are missing that these days. Absolutely. I saw Demo Borgir a couple years ago because I was going to see the opening band and it was 50, possibly more than 50% backing tracks.

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coming out of the speaker. I mean, there was the guys doing stuff on stage. We're doing very little, very little actual music being played. Actually, I just saw me out. I saw corporate Clani recently, and they were the same way. I'm not into them. I actually went to see troll fest. We're awesome. But corporate Clani was the same way. When you see a band with so many backing tracks like that, how many people, though, do you think take a step back and think themselves, what am I really seeing here?

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But you know what? Those people all like sugar anyway. Seriously, they just came out for the saccharine weird bullshit thing. Like, Demuberger, I don't even know how to pronounce that. That's a band I don't particularly care for. I don't consider them a really, I don't know. They're pretty corporate in a weird sort of way. That's true. Except for Stormblast. Actually, it's great. By the way, I couldn't agree more. That's a great record. I feel like another thing, maybe these kids don't even realize that there are backing tracks. Yeah, that's the thing.

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That's a good point. That is a good point, too. Wow, so many good points. Let's call this the Good Point Podcast. Good point. All right, moving on. I heard a trailer for the new Graveyard album, and has anybody else heard this yet? No, sir. It's been a while. When was their last record, dude? A couple years ago. I think it was Lights Out was the last one. Okay. And I really kind of dug their last couple albums.

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They were kind of a Led Zeppelin-y, blues-rocky kind of thing. But I got to tell you, much like the new Sword album, the Graveyard trailer did not sit well with me. By the way, every review I've read of the Sword record loves it. I know. Based on the track they released, I'm not into it. Yeah, so I'm not as excited about the new Graveyard album as I was, unfortunately. Is the Sword record out? Nah, I believe it's one of the albums coming out in the next three weeks

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I think it is too yeah of like mass releases yeah the big big dump of records coming out yeah and none of us are running out to get it but I did hear I don't think that track necessarily represents the record but I'm not whatever I didn't care for this song yeah moving on I did hear that uh I was on the radio actually on XM radio yesterday somebody said that the Scotty and said that the new album the new anthrax album should be probably released in early 2016 I don't know about anybody else but I'm pretty excited about that I am only because

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Because for the first time in like 20 years, I can say the last one was really good. Warsig music was great. George and I loved it. Yeah, it was great. Did you guys hear? I haven't actually heard it. I like, I like the band tracks. I love seeing them live. I haven't listened to anything. Dude, it's actually, I would argue that it is on par with and could be better than Among the Living. It's really good, dude. All right. It's a great record. Yeah. No, no offense to John Bush, but the John Bush era was not,

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my liking. Yeah. And when Joey Belladonna came back to the band, I mean, I was a giddy little schoolgirl running around piddling on the carpet because I was so excited. And when the album finally came out, it lived up to anything that I could have dreamed of. It was so good. Seeing them live, they were amazing. Yep. I've seen them. I saw them. Stadia Euphoria. I saw them on Persistence of Time and now with this one.

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Yeah, I'll check it out. It's like they picked up after Among the Living and just said, let's make another good one. Nice. Yeah, they still rip live. I saw them recently and they were awesome. Yeah, cool. All right, so the new Ghost album is going to be out in a couple of weeks, but to tide us over, they released another new song called Majestic. And I was just texting with Buk and Jay earlier how I said, like, listening to

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The intro of the song reminded me of Deep Purple. Anything in particular? Because I haven't heard it yet. Like what? There was like, you know, organ slash keyboard with some very like 70s guitar riffing. Okay. And I was like, yeah, I dug it. I mean, I didn't get all the way through the song before we had to start today, but it was pretty good. I think they've recovered from their sophomore slump. Most people didn't really like that second album very much. I maybe listened to it twice, dude.

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Maybe. Yeah. I like the first record. I don't like the second one. I think there are a few good songs off it, but that's about it. I think they tried to get a little too fancy on the second record, and it just lost the whole chemistry and spirit of it. And they've definitely learned from that because this new album, Meliora, is what should have been their second album, I think, based on what I've heard. I feel like... What was that, Buke?

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Sorry, I just love that you actually gave George your pronunciation. Let me help you out with that, buddy. Thanks. Well, we're all excited. I haven't heard it yet, George, so that's probably something I'm doing shortly after the pod to check that track. The other ones, as we all agreed that the other ones so far have been really good. Yeah. The track I heard sounded almost kind of like more industrial or techno-ish. What? No? Maybe I heard something weird.

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You might have. It's more metal. That's more metal than either of the first two records were. A couple. One of it. It's like 2000. No, I think it was. No, it's pretty old school. Oh, OK. I must have heard something weird. One last news item that I think is going to cause a lot of debate, or at least we're going to talk about it a bit. Spotify recently released an item online that listed the top 25 metal genres on Spotify. First of all, 25 genres. Jesus Christ. Well, there are quite a few subgenres.

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But looking through their list, like the top 10, we're going to have to read through some of these. Their number one is alternative metal. Okay, fuck that one. Number two, new metal. Double fuck that one. Number three, hard rock. Not metal. Okay. Number four, groove metal. I like a couple of groove metal bands. I mean, I'd like consider Pantera a groove metal band.

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But I think we're way too far down in this list for me to even get excited about it, dude, because you haven't mentioned anything I give a shit about. Exactly. Number five, rap metal. What the fuck? Number six, funk metal. Yeah, let this get stuff. Funk metal. That's what these guys are. Just slapping the bass. Number seven, metal. That's seven, huh? That's where you get your Iron Maidens and stuff.

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Number eight, metalcore. Okay, fuck you. Number nine, wait, it's an actual metal subgenre. Speed metal. Not real current, but... But that's probably Metallica. Yeah, stuff like that. Actually, it's King Diamond, which I wouldn't call King Diamond speed metal. No, we would not. And number ten, just to split hairs, melodic metalcore. Okay. Are you guys on Spotify? No. Not fully.

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a couple tracks up there, but not completely. Wait a minute. No. Reversing Tides is up there. Well, you just put up Desolate. Desolate's up there, yeah. Our record before this one, that one's up there. And we're still kind of debating what to do with the new one. We're still very much on the fence about Spotify. What do you distribute through? Bandcamp digitally. What about Spotify? Who collects your money for you? TuneCore. TuneCore, okay. Yeah. Have you ever seen one of your

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We're on it. Yeah. It's like.00006 cents. Yeah. No, I haven't got that. I haven't got one of those yet, but I'm thinking about pulling it anyway, just because I don't know if it's worth it really. Yeah. It's not. People can find us other ways. So I'm not going to go through the whole entire top 25, but the top 10 was bullshit. Yeah. I mean, you know, okay. Power Metal comes in at 13, Death Metal at 14, and Thrash Metal

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There's no black metal on the entire list. So, I call bullshit. I've listened to black metal on Spotify, so I know somebody's doing it. Yeah, well, apparently not enough. Go ahead. The melodic metalcore is kicking its ass. Well, that's the thing. I was going to say, it makes me question that other headline that came out recently. Metal fans are the most loyal.

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But like,

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they're counting hard rock and fucking metal.

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Rap metal.

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Gives a shit.

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Now we're all a little ashamed about that previous story.

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Oh,

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number 22 is German metal.

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Well,

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why did they just put the corpus?

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Every week I hit you guys with a new rap metal album.

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Nobody gives me any credit.

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I didn't realize German metal was an actual subgenre.

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So,

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American metal.

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Man of War would like it to be.

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I mean,

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I guess Norwegian black metal might be considered a subgenre. But still. Yeah, that's crazy, dude. You know what? That doesn't make you feel good about the world. Or Spotify. All right. We're going to move on to new releases. Or as the case is this week, new release. Shortest list ever.

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Yeah, I think this is sort of the drought before the deluge, because the next couple of weeks, just a ton of albums are coming out. Iron Maiden and Ahab and I don't have the list in front of me, but there's got to be at least like 10 good big albums. Amorphous is coming out. All kinds of good stuff. But this week is coming out. What's that? Buke is coming out. Oh, you heard it first. Buke loves the cock.

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It came out. Woohoo!

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All right.

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So our lone new release this week is Soulfly's Archangel.

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Any fans?

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I've been a fan of Soulfly since they debuted when Max started this own side project band.

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I've liked the sound they've had.

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I'm not super excited for this.

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I've heard a couple tracks off it when we got it.

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It's not bad.

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It's not bad, but it's Soulfly.

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Yeah, there you go.

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It's kind of, yeah, it's just, it's not exciting.

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You know, it's okay.

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I was a big Sepultura fan before Max left. And then when he did Soulfly, I was like, what kind of stupid name is that? I'm sorry, but their self-titled album that Soulfly did, I fucking loved. I didn't listen to it until recently because I was like, that is such a stupid name. This has got to be a one-off thing and it just never went away. You guys, Sepultura. These guys, Galen and them were like, pfft. Sepultura for sure. I like Sepultura up to KSAD. I like Roots.

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That was into Roots. I thought it was pretty awesome back in the day. Galen hates it because he thinks it spawned Nu Metal. Well, that's a good argument. A lot of bands have cited that, actually. Yeah, that's a good argument to be made there. I saw them on the Roots tour, and I liked Chaos AD a lot better than Roots. Sepultura is the John Connor of the whole spawning the Terminators. So we have to go back in time and kill Max? Yes! I think so.

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Well, just when they finished producing, right when they produced, when the album gets printed, K-I-C-D, then we go back to Joe. You're done. I got to say, though, when we saw them, it was actually like on the very first OzFest before it was OzFest. Yes, it was SoulFly. Remember they had one of the last... It was Ozzy, Sepultura, Danzig. No, it was SoulFly. No, it was not SoulFly. We saw SoulFly on the second stage. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about in Michigan when I saw Sepultura on the Roots tour.

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I didn't know you then you didn't know me then you were still probably in grade school when I went to that show and like I said I prefer chaos AD over roots but the they brought out all the dudes with all the crazy Brazilian drums and stuff on stage and I that was pretty impressive yeah that's good there's nothing wrong with roots I don't mind it but I mean chaos AD is just like if you were really into them it was when they kind of turned a corner where you were sort of like okay yep yeah which is a little it was a bit of a letdown yeah and I said I don't really understand what like the dynamics

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Is there any simple terror still around right yeah there's like

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Andreas kissers like the only member left but he was not in it anymore yeah because I was wondering because I know Max and Igor do that Cavalera conspiracy thing yeah yeah he left with it okay so I thought that was weird if they're doing that but Max isn't in it's up whatever who cares there's no Cavalera anymore yeah weird mix dude Max is still on drums isn't he he go acts I mean Igor is still on drums no he's not

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There's no Cavaleras in Sepultura. Okay, completely off, not topic, completely, but I saw, by the way, Max Cavalera. Did you see him on the metal show last year, George? I think it was maybe a few months ago. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. By the way, nicest guy. Oh, yeah. Seems like a super sweet, cool dude. He's a good dude. He was on Just Us thing, too. He was good. Oh, was he? Yeah. He just seems like such a fun guy. He seems like he'd be a lot of fun to hang out with. Totally humble. He's a mushroom. He's a fun guy. Yeah. Woo, getting late.

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Indeed. All right. Why don't we get into our top three this week? This is brutal, dude. Did you guys do during a top three? Neutrino actually suggested the topic this week. This one's too hard. It was really hard. I have five.

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I have four. I'm being really general in mind because it's like, okay, this is the band and these five. Did we say what it is yet? It is the top three album covers. Traditionally, we'll start with you guys, then we come to me, then we finish with the old school boys. We'll start with one of you guys. If you really have five,

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Then you need to get yourself all the way up to three if you don't mind. So let's hear everything you got up through three. Yeah. And we'll call them your honorable mentions or your fours and fives. Right. I really don't have them like no particular order. Okay. Do you have one through three in order though? No. That's okay. Well, you're going to have, but you'll just, you're going to have to say them in an order. Yeah. Cause we'll like do one from somebody and then it's like a round Robin kind of thing. We'll do, you'll do one, then Galen will do one, then Jay will do one and we just go around and. But if you have five, we need to hear.

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5, 4, and 3 right now. We want to hear your honorable mentions. Okay. Gotcha. So honorable mentions, I'll say... Dadeamsgaard, 666 International. No. George, go over. If you were there, George would hug you, dude. I mean, see, mine are... I feel very subjective, so I didn't really go for like, you know, what's objectively the coolest album record or album cover ever. It's like what I've... It has to do a lot with what I feel about that record. What pours on your heart strings. Yeah. So, I mean,

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Like this one, it's just so weird and abstract and matches the music so well, you know, and it's not really even clear what you're looking at. It's almost like some weird like futuristic warehouse with like, I don't know, but then there's like a pool of blood in the middle of it. It's like going down some mysterious fucking drain. I don't know. It's just always struck me as very, very, very strange. Awesome, dude. That's great. Great choice. What's four and three? I'll go with four. I'll go with

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Let's go with Oliver Berktat. Okay. That's their first full length, I guess. The original mountain scenery. Yeah. And it's like a painting. So it's just, I don't know. Again, it fits so well with the music. It was so weird seeing albums like that back in the day that had just such simplistic nature. Natural. Yeah. So that one's really stuck with me. And number three, I'll go with...

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Let's go with Testament Practice What You Preach. That one snuck in there. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah. It's a weird one, too. Again, it is a weird one, yeah. The colors of it and just like those five figures standing in the middle of the desert. Yeah, like, I don't know. I just thought it was so cool back in the day. Yeah, I agree. Every time I see that, I'm like, it just draws you in. You know, their last two covers have been kind of cool, too, by the way. Yeah, that's true. Dark Roots of the Earth, yeah. Yeah. All right, and then Galen, what you got? All right, three for me would be

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would be actually Sepultura Beneath the Remains. Between that and Arise, but that artist Michael Wellen is awesome. It's a good choice. Awesome. Stuff in there. All right, my honorable mention is a record, a cover I really like. It was a record that got me into this band, and then we had to go back and discover them, and it's Motorhead's Orgasmatron. I think it's super cool. I love that. I was just reading about that cover and that book, Injustice for Art.

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Oh, cool. You're going to have to tell me about it because I didn't actually read that. But in any case, now I'll go on to my actual number three. My number one and two are pretty old school, but I honestly thought Mastodon Leviathan had an amazing record cover. Yes, it did. That is good. So beautiful. So there you go. That's my number three. My number three, it's an old school one. It's a band that makes the rainbow look badass. This is Rainbow Rising.

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Fist, holding that rainbow over that mountaintop. That's a good one. Fucking looks amazing. We were just talking about that on the last, or actually it's two episodes ago. George, I always talk about that album. Yeah. Well, I thought it was interesting that it's the same guy that does the Manowar art. That's right. That's right. We were talking about that. Yeah. And by the way, Kelly something. So much better than the first cover too, by the way. Yeah. It's just, you know what? I keep seeing this album art and I see it on shirts and I'm like, I have to fucking get that shirt.

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The first Rainbow album looked like it came off of like Electric Company or Sesame Street or something. It was bad. It was really bad. Yeah. Do you have that on vinyl so you can stare at it? I have it. And you know what? It was probably the biggest disappointment I've had on vinyl so far. I was expecting this majestic amazing sound and. Buy the reissue dude. I've got the reissue. It is great. Yeah. The original first pressing is not that. No fuck that. That was right when they were making kind of bad literally quality records.

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You need to get that 180 gram. It's not expensive, dude. It's like maybe 17 bucks. Oh, wow. That's a lot cheaper than I expect. Yeah, the original is not that good. Yeah, pick it up. Georgie Boy. All right. My honorable mention started the day as number two and dropped down to number four when I did a little bit of thinking. And that would be Cathedral the Carnival Bazaar. Oh, dude, that's a great choice. I love that one. I actually have a poster of the full album art hanging in the bar.

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It's just so cool. It's like a metal wears Waldo. There's just so much going on in there. It's really cool. Awesome, dude. My number three is I couldn't decide between the two, but it's Merciful Fate. I'm leaning towards Don't Break the Oath, but Melissa's pretty damn good, too. Can you give him a handjob for me, Buke? Those are killer covers. Super killer covers.

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them but didn't pick them. Yeah, don't break the oath. I mean, when I was in high school in the 80s, that just, you know, it sucked me in. I was like, look at that. It's like, you know, we want you for the Metal Army. So good. Awesome. All right. Number two. Neutrino. All right. I'll go with Eld by Enslaved. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, dude. Yeah. Again, one that like kind of threw me for a loop back in the day because it's just, what the fuck?

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Yeah, just sitting on that throne with his, you know, Viking garb and the colors. It's just awesome. Let alone fact that that is actually wit from yesterday's saints. Oh, yeah, you mentioned he looks like him. Oh, yeah. But he looks like a Viking on that cover, too, doesn't he, man? He looks like the god of the north. That is such a badass cover. Of all the dudes in that band, he actually looks like a Viking. He does, yeah. Still. Ivar does, but an overfed Viking.

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All right, Galen, number two. All right. I'm going with Danzig, How the Gods Kill. I'm a big fan of Giger. So you could have gone also with Celtic Frost. Yeah. Yeah, and the Celtic Frost reunion. Did you know he actually, you should read that book that Tom Warrior wrote. He talks about, they actually, he bought the cover for

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in 2 Megatherion, he gave them that cover actually when they were still Hellhammer and they held onto it for a few years because they wanted to. And he heard Hellhammer and he was like, yeah, I'll give you. It's the coolest story. That's a great book if you haven't read it yet. Yeah, I haven't. All right. That brings us to my number two or my number one. Where are we at here? Your two. My number two. All right. I mean, you know, one of us had to say this and George might do the same. But that first Black Sabbath record has what was a very

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I considered it. I actually expected you to have it. For five seconds. No, I gave it some thought. It's iconic. And even in this internet world, people now are sort of like, who was that girl? And they don't even know who the girl was. I mean, she was just a model or something. But the story is real shaky even to this day. She's a ghost. It's a great, great cover. They talk about it in Justice for Art and how she was a model.

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But did they talk about how they don't know who she was or anything? I don't think they knew the name. But there was a story about her coming up to the band at some point afterwards and talking to them and stuff. But I don't remember. I'm going to be by myself on this one. But being a tabletop gamer, I fucking love this art. I've loved all that this band has done. Oh, it's both horror, isn't it? Yes, it is. I'm going to cut that out.

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I was gonna keep that in bolt thrower realm of chaos yeah that's some good the space Marines all piled up in like a triangle formation firing their blasters they're both rowers it's it's awesome do you play do you play I fly I'm a warhammer player yep I used to play I had I had two armies I had a warhammer and 40k yeah I have a dwarf fantasy army and I have a chaos 40k

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I had orcs and I had space marines nice awesome do you know space marines account for two-thirds of G.G.W.'s sales I'm not surprised everybody buys space marines yeah yeah George George your boy number two it's a ball thrower this is uh my number two really hard to narrow down but I did by the way pretty much anything that's a Voivet album cover really I had it wrong I thought you were

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Yeah. No, man. Particularly Roar. I bought Roar in 1986 on vinyl, like in the literally like two bins of heavy metal vinyl in this place called Record Town in Ann Arbor, Michigan. And I'm flipping through there and I'm like, okay, you know, trash and like all these like big hairband stuff. He's like Catatonic Society trash. And then I flip through and I'm like, whoa, look at this giant rolling pointy death machine. And I flipped it over and the

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I just thought that they record stories just because things like record time yeah yeah it was the mom I'm going to record zone all right that's also where I bought master of puppets when it first came out oh yeah so young Gideon yes

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Bought this. But, like, I mean, you know, I could have just as easily gone, like Nothing Face. Oh, yeah, I do. You know, Killing Technology. Hey, I'm not going to fault you for your choice. It's a totally good choice. Yeah. I have no clue what any of your top three would have been. You probably know what my number one is. Jay's already guessed it. I have no fucking clue. If you guys haven't guessed my number one, then... Yeah, your number one is... My number one is in your group of number ones, I'm sure of it. Okay. So, but let's go to...

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I'm gonna go with the first Borknagar record whoa right on hmm it's just nice photo yeah it's that very simple you know weird cabin in the middle of the meadow there and all the mist and forest I want I want to live there I'm looking it up on Spotify right now because Cosmic Genesis is the only album I know from them yeah how did you pronounce the name by name again I say Borknagar that's the way I say it I've never really gotten an official pronunciation

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on that one. I considered putting it on the list today, but... I would say Borknagir. Like Borknagir, Borknagar, you know, it's like, where's the emphasis go? Yeah, that's hard to say. Ardram or Ardram. Butchers' names all the time, too. He'd be a good one for this. So I said Cosmic Genesis, but their album Empiricism. Save it for the segment, please. Galen, what's your number one? All right, my number one is... I had to think on this one because...

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I don't know this album means a lot to me personally and I think part of it was when I was younger I'd sit and stare at it for hours because there's so much going on but I could have gone for other ones by this band but Somewhere in Time, Iron Maiden. Good choice. Yeah. For some reason that one in particular and I'm really into the whole like sci-fi Blade Runner kind of theme of that one. You can look at that thing for hours. There's all these weird little things going on in the background. All the different song references. Yeah.

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Yeah, for instance, to their actual lives, too. Like, yeah, Ruskin, Ruskin Arms is on there in the bar where they used to play on that stuff. Yeah, it's a good choice. Yeah. All right, Jay, number one. Not Strain, Far Field, and it'll probably be hard for me to ever think that there's really a better metal cover than this, and it's Number of the Beast. I just think that's an amazing cover. Eddie, the devil controlling Eddie, controlling the devil, like, literally, and it just, I used to stare at that record cover for hours, and it was one of my first, like, real heavy metal records, so it was important to me. And, yeah, I still love that cover. I think it's amazing.

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Right on. Puke, number one. Jay took my fire out right when he texted me as soon as we started this fucking category. But I'm going to quickly step off here for a second. Neutrino, I got to ask you, going back to your number one, do you mind when these bands sing not in English? Does that affect you at all? I don't hate it, but I always prefer Norwegian. Or the, you know, the language of Norwegian. Just because, I don't know, like,

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Well, first of all, Norwegian, I think, sounds way more evil. And then when they sing in English, there's always, like, you can pick out some words, kind of sound a little funny, you know, because they don't fully, like, speak English. So, I don't know. I always, and same with, like, bands like Druk, you know, it just sounds way... Is that how you pronounce that? I've always wondered. I say Druk. Our bass player's from Ukraine. I thought it was, I said Druk, but I never, you're the first person I've ever heard say it out loud. Yeah, who knows? There goes that top ten.

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We're hitting you hard, George. But, yeah, go ahead. Okay. Number one. My number one. Jay, again, he texts me as soon as we started this. He knows me well. Iced Earth, The Glorious Burden. I was thinking you'd go Dark Saga. I love Spawn. That's an amazing Al Mart on that. But The Glorious Burden being a Civil War buff. The Al Mart on the front side, they're all fighting. You flip it over, they're all dead in the back.

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is pretty cool. Right on. I'm glad I know you so well. And I already know what George is going to say too, but I'm not going to steal his thunder. My number one to complete the Iron Maiden hat trick is Iron Maiden. Derek Riggs, specifically Somewhere in Time. Not my favorite Iron Maiden album, but it is probably the most... That's your favorite over Power Slave? I was going to give Power Slave as my number two. That was close for me too. But the fact that the Somewhere in Time,

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album cover has just so much going on. Yeah, it does. And I, you know, when I bought that album, I bought it on vinyl back in the day. Me too. And so I just sit there and flip it over and just like try and find everything in there that, you know, they've got hidden in there. So it was very cool. Thank God you didn't say dance of death. Oh my God. Garbage. That is the worst cover. That one's hilarious. The story is stupid too. You know, everything after Brave New World, they haven't really had any great, great cover.

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And I thought Brave New World was pretty good. It's pretty good. I think the new one looks like it might be pretty good. It's pretty cool. And we're excited about the record, to say the least. I can't wait. I got to see if Amazon actually ships it to me. Dude, they haven't canceled your order yet? I got in on a vinyl pre-order. The new album, Book of Souls, is three vinyl. Like $35. And they screwed up and put it on the site for $13.99. Holy shit.

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it. And then I tried to tell the rest of these guys about it. By the time they got there, it had been taken offline. But it's still listed in my orders for $13.99, so I'm hoping they ship it. We'll wait to see if it shows up. Which, by the way, that preview track should be coming out here pretty quick, right? I believe it's next weekend, the 15th. The 15th seems like an odd day. It's like a Saturday, Sunday? Looking forward to it. Saturday, because that's the barbecue day. So I don't know. So we're premiering a new

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this week. It was suggested to us by Matt of Yesterday Saints when we were at the Brutality at the Brewery last week. And we're calling this new segment Pronunciation in honor of Buk and the wonderful way that he says things. I thought we were going to call it pronunciation. So I just emailed Buk the list of 10 band names that he has to try to pronounce. This is going to be painful. And most of these are bands that are

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that you've heard of actually, I mean, I heard of all of them. And I would expect most people here probably know most of these, if not all of them. But can Buk say them? That is the question. All right. Let's try and say the first one, Buk. First one, Blut-Ust-Nord. That's pretty close. That's pretty good. Blut-Ust-Nord. Pretty good, yes. I was expecting Blut. Okay. All right. The second one. Catonic? Thonic.

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Okay. The C-H. That was hard. That was hard. Yeah. That was a trick one. That's a chthonic society, actually, I think. Chthonic society. This next one I've seen so many times, Drude. Yeah. I said the cake. Yeah. I pronounce it Drudka. Me too, but we just heard something different from Neutrino and I kind of liked it. Yeah. How did that, how do you say it? I don't even remember. I say Drouk. Yeah, Drouk. Yeah. I'm with George. I do Drudka. Drudka. I don't know. You know what? Our Russian player, our bass player,

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is Ukrainian.

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Oh, there you go.

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That's a Ukrainian band.

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I'll ask him how to pronounce it.

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But actually, I think I did.

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And I'm pretty sure it told me it's not a real, it's not a Ukrainian word.

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Huh?

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Yeah.

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I'll ask him.

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That's why I can't find a pronunciation anywhere.

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Because he wears their shirt sometimes.

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All right.

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Good, man.

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Next one, Buick.

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I couldn't get this one.

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Inherger.

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Inherger.

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Inherger.

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Inherger.

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Inherger.

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All right.

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I say, I say, Inherger.

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This whole category is Bukas having a stroke. Someone check on him. Okay. Ishan. I say it Ishan because there's no H after the S. I've always said Ishan also. Ishan. Ishan. I know the next one. I can do it. Kevelortak. Yeah. I figured you'd get that one, but I thought I'd try and trip you up with it. Do it again. I stepped on you. Kevelortak. Yeah. Sam I.L. Oh, I thought that was going to be

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It's gonna be an easy one, but this is cuz I've heard it. Yeah, Sam I L. SOSTA fear. We've said that yeah, we've said it before and this last one I love this band. Oh, hmm. Vryde. Vryde. Damn. I didn't think you were gonna get that one. The whole VR thing throws me. Vryde? Vryde. I thought that's what I used to call it, but it's actually Vryde. Vryde. I love this category. If anybody else has anything you want to suggest that I try and pronounce

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And frankly, they don't have to be metal bands. I was thinking of words. I mean, he's been tripped up with epitome and monotony. So yeah, if you do send something in, make sure I can figure out how to pronounce it so I know whether or not he's saying it right.

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Just throw in pronunciation. Throw in just like a comma and say, Buke, where does this go? Yeah. I'll be stumped there. Go ahead. All right. Well, this was fun. We'll try and do this again. Yeah, we'll do it periodically. I'll come up with a jingle for it, too. Yeah. Oh, it's going to have some funny lyrics. Make sure you get that pronunciation in there. I will. It's going to be good. All right. So moving on. What are we listening to?

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What are you listening to right now?

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Neutrino.

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Neutrino.

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Let's see. I have to remember. Oh, well, one of them was that Wild Run record that you suggested. Yes! That's really not my cup of tea usually, but these guys do it really tastefully. The whole folk metal thing. And they're from our area. Yeah, they're local dudes. I've never heard of them before you guys mentioned them, though. We've all become fans of that record. That was when Buke kind of bowled us all over on. Yeah, and it seems like they're kind of making waves. I googled

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some of their reviews and they're probably going to make some top 10 lists I'd say. Good. Wasn't that great that we saw John last weekend? It was a great like hi this is John. Yeah. He kept it up again. He still did it. And I've also been listening to the new Arcturus, Arcturian. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. I kind of have mixed feelings about it still. I think there's some like brilliant stuff on there but also some kind of not so brilliant stuff. Like some of the like electronic tunes kind of bum me out. I don't know.

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And then it's just I've only seen a lot of neurosis and prep for the show. Yeah, sure. Right on. Is that the band who finished one of the stages? Like the second to last band? Yeah, it was before. The guy with the goggles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, with his hands in his pockets. Yeah. Yeah. What the hell was up with that? I don't know. He was just kind of like, hey, so, you know, I'm just going to hands in my pockets. Isn't that a song? I think he was trying to be provocative. You know, he's such a provocateur. But George Prompt,

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That was a big pronunciation, provocateur. I like that. Is that not right? I think it's provocateur. But to be fair, he is a provocateur. You know, there's a pretty good article on that album and in the new Terrorize. You probably read it, George. I don't think I've read the new one yet. You should read it. It's a nice article with those guys. It talks about where they've been, what they plan to do forward. Secondarily, a pretty honest review of the record that kind of

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with you,

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Trina.

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Wait,

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is that the one where he's talking about?

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No,

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wait,

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that was the podcast.

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Nevermind.

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He was on the metal sucks podcast as well.

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Oh yeah.

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I heard that.

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That was good.

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Galen,

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what's your listener to?

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I've been listening to the new tribulation record a lot.

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Yeah.

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Very,

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very good.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I'm listening to a lot of old Dawn stuff.

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Nice.

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Which I wasn't really familiar with until recently.

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I'd only heard slaughter son.

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What are they?

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I didn't even realize it.

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Dawn. What style are they? Black metal. It's Swedish. It was a convincing buke. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I do remember now. Yeah. No, you don't. And you remain unconvinced, apparently. I must remain unconvinced now. What else? I've been listening to the new Blind Guardian record, Beyond the Red Mirror. Oh, right out, dude. It's good. It's good stuff. I haven't heard it. The last one I liked was the one with the dragon on the front. It was before the last one. Which one with the dragon? Through the time or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah. They're all the same, yeah. This new one's great. I'd recommend it. I'll check it out. Have you boys heard that? George and Buk? Yeah, I have. I love it. I haven't heard it yet. I haven't listened to it. I do love the new Blind Guardian. I didn't think you were all that impressed. Yep. All right on. Well, I like it too, so there you go. Okay, cool. All right. You just influenced me. I'll go. I'll check it out. Yeah, check it out. I thought I gave the promo out. Maybe that was before your time. Yeah, it may have been before his time. There's BJ and AJ before

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J and after J. And I know BJ stands for a couple of things, but in this case. I think the before J podcast was a little better. Oh, yikes. He brings nothing to the table. Who doesn't prefer BJ? Harsh. But everybody loves the BB podcast before Buke. There was none. There was none. That's why this is the greatest ever since. Anyway. You know what? I think everyone can agree. Everybody loves the before Matt podcast.

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He brought nothing to the table. He was a nice guy. Come on. He loved Pantera. And you know what? Can I tell you something? He talks just like Phil Anselmo. Yeah. You got it pretty heated when you guys were talking about something like, oh, God, what was it? I just sat back. It was just like, go ahead. I knew that that was going to be, I knew it was going to set him off. So I was like, fuck it.

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And he could have been talking to himself. I swear to God. We all kind of got up and left the room. He just kept going. It was amazing. We all sat back. And George figured in that two hours, you know, George, whenever we drink here, we have maybe two, three beers. Matt probably had between 14 and 18 beers. He went to town. Yeah, he was. You can hear it if you listen. And I don't suggest you listen to it again. You can hear clinking, just constant clinking. You know what I mean? That's him. That's him walking into the room.

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with like armfuls of yingling. Yeah. And drinking most of it himself. Galen, did we get your whole list? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yep. All right. That means it's Jay's turn after AJ. Okay. So before I went on vacation and after I went on vacation, two different things, but I had some stuff to take with me. And one thing I'm really into is this new cattle decapitation. That's pretty good. Yeah, it is. And then we get a lot of promos on the show. And two that I listened to last night.

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from start to finish and totally into already is uh i like this that would i have to ask buke to pronounce it for me murkour murkour yeah i'm not sure how to pronounce that either m-y-r-k-u-r i gotta give us some more listens and that's why it's something i'm listening to but i like it yeah she is uh very controversial stuff yeah she's this like super hot model who does this one girl black metal band and

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It's sort of dead can dance meets black metal. I mean, it remains to be seen if it's going to have any real substance to it. I've only heard it once. But I was intrigued. The EP that she put out last year was pretty popular. And so when I got the promo for this, I was like, I definitely have to check this out. And to be perfectly honest, I don't care for her harsh vocals. They're too... I was going to say, they're not really stylized.

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Yeah, it's too, what the fuck do you call it? Abstract. Fair enough. It's just like, eh. But then I really dug the clean, childlike singing that she did. It's interesting. And I was like, well, that's kind of cool. So I'm going to go back and listen to that again, too. It's not going to make my end of the year list. I can already tell you that. And then I'm also listening to that Between the Buried and Me that George and Bea got me started on. That's still kind of spinning with me. And then finally, got to hear from start to finish.

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Last Night for the first time. Want to know what the boys think of it, but I like it. The new Ahab record I think is really good. I've gone dark. I've been holding this for you guys. I've gone dark. I know you dropped it in the box until I have the vinyl and I can listen to it. A nice clean listen. I've gone dark. I'm treating it like the new Star Wars movie. I'm so excited. I don't want it to be a disappointment beforehand. So you're going to make it a disappointment after?

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I have.

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Oh,

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no,

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that means it's not good.

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Yeah,

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I like it.

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No,

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I don't know.

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You know what?

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No,

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that means it's not good,

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Jay.

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Cause George,

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when George heard the giant the last time he was so fucking high on it.

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Oh,

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well,

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I'm not necessarily saying that it is as good as previous records,

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but I like it.

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I,

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yeah,

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I don't think it's as good as the giant.

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Although I want to go back and listen to them back to back.

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Yeah.

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Because there's definitely a lot of similar qualities. Yeah. Give it a real chance. I mean, I've only heard it once, dude. But I've got to tell you, I was pretty intrigued. I was into it last night. To be fair, I got halfway through the album and was distracted by other things that I had to do. I was listening to it while I was working. I sort of, you know, when you're listening to something and then you realize you've stopped paying close attention to it. Right. So I really need to go back and listen to it in full again.

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It was pretty good, but... I know, I'm not saying it's not breaking ground. I will say this too, we also mentioned this to each other today earlier, it's got a really kick-ass cover. It is a cool looking... The colors are striking. Yeah. So anyway, that's what I'm listening to right now. We'll see how the week goes. Nice. The jury's still out on that one for me. Yeah, I agree. I'm not calling it a masterpiece, but... I didn't get into the giant until I really sat down, put on the headphones, sat back and just delved into it.

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And so I haven't done that with this yet

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So I could be doing it an injustice at this point

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It might be interesting to see what we all think of it

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In a month or so

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Vic what are you listening to?

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I'm in full Guarbecue mode

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I've been listening to Guar Scum Dogs of the Universe

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A little Mutoid Men

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Oh bless your heart

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Down Clutch

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I'm just prepping myself for next weekend

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Is that the Mutoid Man has two albums

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Is it the newer one you listen to?

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Just all to the new one exclusively. I think it's really good. I like it. I've been listening to Valkyrie. All these bands are going to be there next weekend. Cool. Yep. Right on. Nice. Is Valkyrie, are they a U.S. band? Yeah, they're Richmond-based band, right? Yeah, they're from Virginia. Georgie Boyd was listening to it. Kind of like a Sabbath classic metal sound. It's doom. It's more of a traditional doom kind of sound. You know, heavy, clean vocals. That brings us to you, George. All right.

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I have three albums here for you. First one I got from Corey over at the Nine Circles podcast slash website. This is the Mexican band Majestic Downfall and their new album, which just came out Friday, called Wind Dead. All right, right on. I highly recommend this for both of you gentlemen. It is a Death Doom album of very good quality. Say the name again, George, please. Majestic Downfall. Okay. Is it one album?

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They only have one album. No, this is like their at least third album, I think. But the new one's called Windead. Okay, cool. Dot, dot, dot, Windead. Very cool. And it's a really cool album. Nice. You got that from Corey? Yeah, I saw him talking about it and I was like, that sounded familiar. And he was talking about it on Facebook and so I went and looked it up on Bandcamp and immediately bought it. And it's pretty killer. Next up, this one isn't out yet. This is the

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new album from amorphous called under the red cloud and you laughing at i think there was a it was hot over there because somebody was waving a flag if you know what i'm saying no yeah i farted that's what i thought yeah galen's not appreciating it apparently not clam chowder not cool chowder chowder yeah the uh the new amorphous is pretty badass i think you know i mean it's it's more of the same the last couple albums you know

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There's harsh vocals, there's clean vocals, there's heavy music and folky kind of elements thrown in there. And I like it. I've only given it one listen through yet, but I am appreciating it. Pulled it from the box last night. Haven't listened to it yet. The cover looks a lot like that psychroptic cover, doesn't it? Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. And the last one is one that I actually surprisingly found on XM radio's liquid metal last week. I rarely find anything new on there that I want to listen to.

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But this is a sort of a blackened thrash band called Black Fast. And their album Terms of Surrender. It's kind of a fast thrashy album with like screechy kind of black metal vocals. And it's pretty badass. It actually, I haven't listened to the band that I'm about to reference here in a while, but it kind of reminded me of Vector.

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So I could probably listen to Vector now and be like, oops, doesn't sound anything like it. But that was what immediately popped into my mind was Vector. What was that? Oh, well, I was just wondering where they're from. That's a good question. I didn't look it up. I will. What's that? What's what was it again? Blackfast. Blackfast. I'll find out. I think they're from the West Coast. All one word? Two words. I got it. Okay. Hey, Buk, you haven't said anything about the new jungle route, dude. Listen to it.

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Why not? Because work has been so fucking busy and they have a baby. I just keep waiting for you to say stuff. They're from St. Louis, Missouri. St. Louis, okay. Yeah. All right, why don't we move on to our classic albums? You're training? What do you got for us? Go for it. It's going to be tough for me.

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I bet that piece of paper is like band name Scribble Out. Band name Scribble Out. Band name Scribble Out. Is this a classic that I've been listening to? No, no. Just in general. You can either have been listening to it or you're like, you know, these guys haven't mentioned this album and I just want to give it some love. And then maybe somebody out there like you will hear it and go, I should check that out. Okay. So, well, I guess this one fits both. I've been listening to this

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It's a classic. And it's Carcass Necroticism. Yeah. Great choice, dude. Yeah. I've never really explored too much of Carcass. I got on board with them with Heartwork and was totally mind-blown with that. But not much else. Would Swan Song have been a better introduction to them? What's that? No. I mean, I like Swan Song. A lot of people diss on it and dislike it because they sort of started doing the death and roll thing.

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That was my introduction. I think it's a good album. That's probably why I started you on it. I would start with fucking Surgical Steel, dude. One of the great reusing records ever. Nowadays, yeah. But back when I got him into it. Yeah, Heartwork was my first album. Necroticism is really about as far back as I go for Carcass. Before that, it gets a little too noisy. It gets pretty brutal, yeah. And that's kind of what I did with them. I went to the first couple of records and I was like, fuck, I can't even handle this. So I sort of gave up.

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And then the Requiem podcast guys were talking about this record. And it's like stylistically, and like production-wise, it's pretty similar to Heartwork. Yes. So I was pretty into that. They were breaking some ground, man. I mean, I think. And you definitely need Surgical Steel if you don't have that. Yeah, I did listen to it. I've not really explored it enough, but yeah, I should go back to it. Right on. Galen, classic record. I put for this one, Fate's Warning.

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Spectre Within. Nice. I love this album. We haven't mentioned this yet, and I fucking love this album. I love the title track. Anything with John Arch on vocals, count me down. What's it, Dick? I agree. Apparition? Oh. Yeah, I love this fucking album. Yeah, there's a band that's always sort of within reach. They're always close by. I listen to them a lot. There's a reissue, some sort of superb version of the

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Shades of Grey or whatever that title is. I forget coming out pretty soon. Oh, Pleasant Shade of Grey? Yeah, that's some sort of re... like a super duper reissue is coming out. I can't remember the details. Yeah, I saw something about that too. That's a good choice. That's a great record. It's a great record. Is that the one with Valley of the Dolls on it? No, that's Awaken the Guardian. Awaken the Guardian, yeah. Another great one, but yeah. Alright, my classic this week is total fucking corporate cotton candy stuff, but I think it was a great record and our bass player had it on at his house the other day and I was like, God, I forgot how good this was. Except,

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Balls to the Walls. That's a great record. George hates this, but I love it. Yeah, I'm stepping away from this one. Okay. George can't stand his vocals. I hate Udo. Oh, you can't do Udo. You know what? That record, though, is good from start to finish. I mean, it's like one of those bands that was kind of cool for a while, and then they kind of got weird in the mid-80s and stuff. But that's a great record. Yeah. Awesome. George, your boy. I mean, Buke. Bukey boy. This is me. All I got to say, gentlemen, pull the plug. Death. Death.

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I heard this on Spotify the other day on a random play and I'm like what a great fucking album this is. What a great song. You could just say death and say any record. It's a classic really. But what was it 88, 89? No, that's um, go ahead. But what a great, it's just a great album. Oh yeah. When did you guys, when did you guys, I say the older gentlemen, when did you guys get your first exposure with death and did you like them when you first heard them? Go ahead George.

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I picked up Scream Bloody Gore on cassette when it first came out. Because even back in like 1987, I was always scouring the stores. And I took it home and I said, what the fuck is this? I was like, wow. And I swear I coined the term Cookie Monster vocals that day. Because I was like, wow. And I liked the music. It took me a while to get into the vocals. I was, well, first off, Leprosy came out in 88.

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I was the same as George. Scream Bloody Gore was my first one. And I had read at the time, people were talking about it like it was the heaviest thing to come down the pike ever. So I was like, well, I got to get it. And I thought it was great. I loved it. But I actually, there was, I think Bathory's first couple were out by that time and everything. So there was still some harsh stuff going on. But they weren't the exemplary band they became when we get down to Symbolic and stuff like that. It really is just a thrash record.

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But it was good.

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It was good.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Any who's.

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George, what's your classic for this week?

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My classic this week is Battles in the North from Immortal.

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Yeah.

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Very nice.

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You're just playing up to these guys.

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I was going with a black metal theme, but I was looking through some stuff that's 20 years old this year.

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Is it really?

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That's insane, dude.

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Slaughter of the Soul, that kind of blows my mind.

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Yeah.

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And Battles in the North has always been my favorite Immortal album. You know, when I first came across that album, I'm like, look at this album. First of all, it's just the album covers like two dudes standing in the snow. And the whole thing is white. You know, everything else, black metal and death metal, it was all very dark. And I was just intrigued by this all white, even the spine of the plastic on the front cover is white. And I was like, ooh, it's so pretty.

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It's weird, dude. It's a weird cover. Oh, it's so good. There's white vinyl versions of that out there. That came out, the reissue came out pretty recently, actually, on Hell's Headbangers. That's probably still around. I do have that on vinyl. You have it what? Go ahead. Just listen to some of these song titles. I mean, Grim and Frostbitten Kingdoms Descent into Eminent Silence Throwned by Black Storms

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The Realms of the Winter Demons. I mean, you can't get more black metal than that. Or more turned on than George's. Yeah, my nipples are hard. They actually are. Didn't you guys watch any of the, and I'll probably pronounce it wrong, Abath or Abath footage from his new band, which is just his name. It's pretty cool. I did see it. I was really, really psyched, actually, because they're playing iMaterial, which I think is really good. Oh, that's a great record, dude. Yeah, so they're playing all that stuff, which I think is pretty awesome.

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Yeah, you have I, right, George? Yeah. I love that album. That's a great record. Yeah. So now it's the first opportunity for him to actually do those songs live. Do that stuff, yeah. And so it's good. I hope they make a record. I'd like them to make a record. Definitely. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to vinyl or other acquisitions.

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I am a great one that's so far from fucking metal but it is amazing I'm assuming that's what you're gonna start it off because I'm gonna break the fucking trend I got the battle toads the old school video game soundtrack on vinyl yes I am 8-bit the the first NES battle toads correct yes correct yep I got the battle toads soundtrack on

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It's one of the greatest classic games of all time. Okay. The pause music alone is famous. And it's literally out on vinyl. It's on vinyl from I am 8-bit. It'll be out in November. It was a pre-order. I ordered it earlier this week. I can't. I love everything about that. I love you pre-ordered it. I love you couldn't let anybody else talk first because you wanted to say it so bad. I can't imagine listening to 8-bit music on vinyl.

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It's just the whole concept. It's fucking great. Is it on swap green vinyl? It is. It is. Yes, it certainly is. Battletoads. That's awesome. All right. Is that everything you picked up? That's it. That's all you need. Recently, the past week, that's it. I just sent you a picture, Jay, to your phone. I can't wait. I'm wondering how many, for years, you were calling the records. They're going, is there a Battletoads soundtrack out yet? So I got an 8-bit soundtrack on vinyl.

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All right. Awesome. Cool. Neutrino. Yeah, Neutrino. Excuse me. Oh, I guess most recently yesterday I picked up a couple records before the Neurosis show. We have a pretty cool record store called Armageddon Records. And I got In the Streams of the Inferno by Mysticum. Nice. A nice new reissue of that. Look at that. Look at that, gentlemen. Sorry to interrupt.

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That's awesome. Sorry. Go ahead, Nudra. It was a Battletoad. So yeah, I got the Mysticum and I also picked up a Blasphemy Made Flesh by Cryptopsy. Yes. Their first record. Yep. Yeah, it was just cheap. It was like 18 bucks or something. And that record kind of scared the shit out of me back in the day. So had to have it. Were we talking about it? Yeah. Yeah. Recently, I got it. Cool.

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I didn't know you guys I will usually we have guests they usually just like they don't always buy vinyl like us so I just wanted to know that's awesome you're buying vinyl yeah I got into vinyl pretty hard like about a year ago I started I'm pretty deep now it's nice it's a problem yeah it's a problem with all of us yeah and I pre-ordered a couple of neurosis reissues that just came out I told George about that too a while ago yeah you actually get those silver ones no they were gone by the yeah I got went quick I got the silver for the

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of Norat, but the other ones I didn't. Yeah, they went super fast. It was Through Silver and Blood and Times of Grace, so I'm psyched for those to come out. Yeah. Very cool. Those are nice pickups. Thank you. Thank you. Galen? A couple things I got vinyl-wise. I buy CDs still, too, but I buy both. I got the album Wolf Father by Nidinger, we mentioned earlier. It's an awesome band.

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Sombra Lane, the section. That's, that's, you know, everybody always goes Storm of the Lights. That's where I go. But, and with good reason, but I kind of think I like the Sombra Lane better. It's good. I mean, for a classic album earlier in the year. I did. Cause I, it just doesn't get enough attention. Don't you like that one better too? Yeah, sort of. It's, it's, I'm on the fence. I don't even know if I ever heard it. That's how big of a poser I am. All right. It's really good. This guy's off the pod. A sort of non-metal one that I, that I'd never actually,

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knew much about was a Pink Floyd album called More. That's a really early one. You never hear about it. It is amazing. Got some really good stuff. Some very aggressive singing that I've never heard on any other Pink Floyd stuff. I think it's from the, isn't it the soundtrack thing? It's the soundtrack, yeah. It's one of their soundtracks, but it's definitely a standalone album. But I think you can actually see, I'm thinking that you can see them play

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that. It's a soundtrack from, I think, a Pink Floyd movie. I'll have to look it up. Okay. Well, it's awesome. Yeah. Sorry. Pardon me. Pardon my direction. No, it's all right. And the other thing I got was just classic Dio, Dream Evil. Bless your heart. Yeah, it's a good, it's a good album. You don't hear much about that one, but it's a good one. They're all good, actually. All the fools sailed away. I could have been a dreamer, you know? Yeah. All the fools sailed away. That's the star of that show, I think. It's a good one. Awesome, dude. That's a great list. What do you got, Jay? Pretty brief.

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Just a couple of things I picked up. I got a copy of Mob Rules, original issue, mint condition. I was glad to get that. Still don't have Heaven and Hell, hopefully soon. I got Typo Negative. I don't know how many people agree on this, but I think Dead Again, their last record was one of their best records. I got that on green vinyl recently. Sweet. And then, even though I reported this one last episode, I reported this, but then I got it, and it was a bootleg copy with a

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You know you do have it George

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Anyway, so I got what I got was don't break the oath

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There was these 180 gram reissue of Melissa and don't break the oath funny

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We've been talking about those today

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I think you guys mention those records on every podcast. I think we do

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Get some more content guys. Well, I it's funny too because I was gonna send

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Send buke my other copy and then the copy I got in the mail was a bootleg with like puke

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I love shitty colors like that. But it's a total boot, dude. The label is not even centered in the record. It's terrible. So I found another copy and got my right copy. I'm sending you my original copy, not my shitty copy. That's going back. And that's it. I just picked up the three vinyl since the last time we spoke. Nice. Long list coming up. Actually, this past week has been pretty slow. I only, at the last minute on Friday, got one

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One Thing, and that's the reissue of Morbid Angels Altars of Madness. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. Wow, I saw that. You posted that, yeah. Yeah. When did that come out? Came out sometime last week. Oh, no, the reissue. Oh, the reissue, sorry. Yeah, yeah, it was just released last week. I, like, pre-ordered it, and it immediately shipped. I also pre-ordered but have not yet received Blessed Are the Sick. Nice. Was it, uh, was there anything special or fancy about the package, or is it just, like, a straight on? It's, uh, on vinyl, which,

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In itself is, you know, if you see it on Discogs, either of those, they're pretty pricey and rare. I'm flipping off Buke right now. I know we're all on video together, but that's for Buke. Yeah. Go ahead. And... But you're so... I've been looking, you know, particularly, Blessed of the Sick is probably my favorite Morbid Angel album. Oh, really? I've been looking for that, like, forever. I have Covenant, I have Domination. Covenant, way better. Hell yeah, Buke. Covenant.

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But the first two is just is really hard to find because they were you know original pressings from you know late 80s early 90s and Are those on your want list George because I keep a want list for both you boys? They were on my discogs want list friend right there, but Do you guys have like a holy grail of vinyl you guys are looking for? Oh, yeah, totally. We always have our friends man. Oh

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I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday. Well, see, okay, my number one of all time is Nemesis Divina by Satiricon. I've got a bootleg of that. Yeah, totally. It came out, like the first issue of it came out, I think, like with the, you know, back in the day. Nothing since then. And there's still, I'm still not completely sure what's going on with those old Satiricon records, who owns the rights or whatever. Yeah. Because none of them have been reissued. And, you know, I want like a box set of those first four.

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That's a great cover too, by the way. That's a great album cover on Nemesis. We don't talk about Satir Khan a lot in this, but I agree with you. Those first four records, they're just devastating. So good. You can find bootlegs of Dark Medieval Times under some other title. Which, believe it or not, is probably my favorite one. Yeah, mine too. It's like Dark Medieval Seconds or something like that. And then Shadow Throne, you see it every once in a while go for like $600

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It's fucking expensive. It was a very limited moon fog early run. I can remember. I have neutrino, no doubt, man. I'm serious. I carry around mental lists. It's something I find every once in a while. So if I find it, it's yours. What's the most you would pay for a record, guys? We should trade collection lists on Discogs. Yeah, we all should hook up on Discogs and share. George is fighting his phone for a second. Trying to figure out how to delete. Would you?

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Send them to George. Okay. Your usernames. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's just helpful. Because we all kind of, when we're shopping, we think of each other. Because you never know what I might find for $10. You know what I mean? It's true. It's true. Yeah, there's other ones. I just can't think right now. Yeah. Nowadays, if I'm looking for something like Holy Grail, and, you know, it's really expensive. If I see something that's tempting on eBay, and I'm like, I could pay 200 euros for that. I'll do a quick check on Amazon, surprisingly. Yeah.

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that's where I got these morbid angels. I was looking at

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I think it was an Altars of Madness that was like

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it was probably like $100. And I was like, hmm, that's, you know, usually it's

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like $150 or more. I'm like

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let me just do a quick search, make sure there isn't some sort of fucking reissue

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and boom, there was two reissues. I was like

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I paid $22 for each of those. You know, George and I will

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unfortunately spend the higher amount

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though sometimes. We both do.

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I've done that before too.

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That's a bummer. You know, I just thought of another one. Oh, go ahead. Oh, Disincarnate. Yeah. Dreams of the Carrying Kind. Yeah, that one's hard to find. What's it on? Oh, God, I don't know. Metal Blade maybe back in the day? Could be. What label you mean? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was... Fuck. I don't know about that. That blew my mind back in the day. I love that record. I've fulfilled some of mine. I got Monotheos. That was one I had to have. But like, you know, like I can't find Morbid Tales for like a

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Yeah.

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I can.

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And a few other things like that.

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They're just difficult to find.

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A lot of what I want, George has.

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So I'm going to have to rob his house someday.

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Well, George is everything.

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George has everything.

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It's true.

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He had to do, I don't know if you heard a recent pod, but he passed a 1,349 album.

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So I bought it.

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I saw that.

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Yeah.

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So I bought him a 1,349 Apocalypse.

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Yeah.

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Just because it had to be, right?

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There was no other way it could have gone.

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Yeah, the 1349th album is 1349. Where do you keep your records, George? Your wife must hate you. She does. Unrelated to the records, by the way. Yeah, she hated him before he bought a single record. So we've got a single family home thing going on here. And there's a room off the kitchen that is the formal dining room, or as I like to call it, vinyl room. There isn't a table or anything in there. There's a whole bunch of

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like Ikea, you know, the Ikea shelves that people use for records? Kellex or whatever. Yeah. They line both sides of the long walls. And then there's like a chair and like a rug. It's like the vinyl listening room. Do you keep like a dehumidifier in there and like a perfect temperature of? I should. I really should. But I'm constantly running out of room and trying to like, you know, I like pull out stuff I don't listen to and go put it somewhere.

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I'm out of room yet because when I'm out of room I'm supposed to stop.

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That's not good.

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And so, you know, and then I like pile things on top and I don't know what to do.

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Yeah, that's rough.

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I'm not quite there yet.

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I'll get there soon enough.

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All right.

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I'm kind of excited about the next segment because I just think I always choose Kit Kat stuff because I'm so awesome.

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So let's move on to deep tracks.

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Deep tracks.

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Or deep cuts, maybe we call it.

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I can't remember.

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Yeah.

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Did you guys pick one? Deep cuts! I have two if you will entertain me for a second. We shall. One of them is Angel of Disease off Covenant, Morbid Angel. It's a weird track. It's got a weird production that's kind of different from the rest of the record, I feel. And he does sort of high vocals on it as opposed to the regular death growl. It's just a strange song. It's almost like punky.

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And I've always loved that song. And I feel like nobody ever talks about it. And I think it's wrong. And you get deep cuts, my friend. I'm glad you get it. Nice. And my other one is Shedding Skin. Yes. Far Beyond Driven, Pantera. That's probably my favorite Pantera song, actually. That's going out to you, Buke, by the way. I fucking love that song. Fuck, that is a great song. I love the drums on that song, man.

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everything on that fucking sidebar. So epic. Very epic for Pantera, you know? Yeah. Cool. That's it. Jalen? Okay, deep cuts. I have a Raw Deal by Judas Priest off of Sin After Sin. Nice, dude. Which is a fucking amazing song. One of the best riffs ever, in my opinion. And nobody talks about that song or even knows about that song. There are great songs on that record, but no one ever,

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talks about raw deal and it's sort of a raw deal. Full circle. Well done, my friend. Cool. All right. Mine is a record that I think has a lot of deep cuts on it, but it's anyway, it's from Holy Diver, the album Holy Diver. And most people would, if you, if you were to talk to people, they'd be like, yeah, you know, the title track or rainbow in the dark, whatever. But now man, the best song on that record is called Gypsy. God damn. That's a good song. It's a good one. And I could also mention, cause I just,

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I want to say them all what the hell there's a great song they're called straight through the heart one called invisible shame on the night but gypsy one of my favorite deal songs ever gypsy yep awesome right up from his second album danzig lucifuge nice this is one of the ending tracks on the album I may be on the island hero but this is girl okay yeah you know it's a deep track and everyone's like okay

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I remember that song on there, but I don't remember how it goes. Yeah, I remember it. The riff is literally the open strings on a guitar. So anybody who doesn't know how to play guitar can play girl. Just the first four strings of your guitar and you're good. That's the riff. There you go. Yeah, you know it's a deep track and everyone's like, okay, let's buy some time for a couple seconds before we move on to George. That's a good song. It's actually, it's a great song. All right, on. I'll spin it.

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George, I know you're a Danzig fan. Do you like his second album? It's probably my favorite. What's your favorite track off it? Devil's Play Thing, Blood and Tears, Her Black Wings, Tired of Being Alive. That's a good one. George goes, girl? Question mark. I remember it, but I'm sure I'd recognize it if I heard it. Because I listened to the shit out of that album. Me too, but I can't think.

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I can't play this song for now. So the first three records I listen to a lot. Deep cut. The deepest, the deepest cut. That's the point. All right. So mine, I picked a specific song, but I'm actually going to like give a shout out to pretty much every other song on that second side of this album, except for the first. I'm going back to the Iron Maiden. Well, it's peace of mind. Oh, pretty much the second side minus the trooper. To Tame Land.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's the long.

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My,

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my,

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the song that I'm focusing on is still life.

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Cause I fucking love that song.

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That's great.

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The Opef album.

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No,

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but then quest for fire,

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sun and steel and the epic to tame a land are also very,

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very worthy of mention.

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Yeah.

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And don't get nearly enough.

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You know,

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they don't play that stuff live.

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No,

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George,

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you know,

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they don't.

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In fact,

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let's see the trooper is probably the only thing they've played off that side.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, actually, there's some footage of still life from, I think, the 7th Sun tour, maybe? Cool. I'll look it up. Pretty sure. Yeah. You know, there was a, I used to have this really kick-ass box set. It was like just this complete maiden weird oddities that came out basically up through, I can't remember if Bruce was back yet when it came out, but anyway, it's got live at the Hammersmith Odeon, like right before Number of the Beast came out. And one of the things they had on it was a live version of Lost for Words.

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Yeah, which was really cool, by the way. Yeah. Anyway, that's a good call. George always has good deep cuts. Thank you. Mine are like, hmm. Yeah, you always seem random as if a child. Yeah, George was like, girl? Is that even a song? I actually feel like I ripped that off in a song that I wrote. A song. It was called Girls.

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And actually, it was called Only You, parentheses, girl. And I'm pretty sure I at least, well, I know for a fact that I was using Danzig as a template for that song. And it was probably at least in the back of, that song was probably at least in the back of my mind. Okay, well, Danzig's going to come and meet you in the hallway and try and knock you out. Yeah. That's right. Luckily, nobody ever heard the song very much. Which, by the way, he's got a covers record.

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coming out. We haven't talked about that.

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No, he's got, it's interesting choices. There's like an Elvis cover on there. It's like, he went with his heart, you know, and I'm going to check it out.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I guess he used to get shit a lot for that back in the day that he was kind of like the dark Elvis or whatever.

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Yeah.

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So I think he really loves Elvis.

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He's embracing it.

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Yeah.

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I read an interview where he talked about who, who, um, what's on it. And it was like all the people that he, you know, I got to fucking look it up. Um, anyway, I'm intrigued.

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I mean, I know he's kind of past his prime and all that, but. Yeah, I'm still curious about stuff he does. I'll go check it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of due before long. You know, I got to make the list for a second. I got to see if I can find out what. I'll tell George and maybe he can tell you about it. It's like it's got Elvis. It's all these weird covers. Like one of you might be like Thin Lizzy, not Thin Lizzy, but like Leonard Skinner or something. It's so weird. It's the weirdest choices for her in your life. Yeah. Anyway, that's it. All right. Well, we're at the end.

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We're at the end.

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We're going to get ready to play you another song from In Conjuration here in a moment.

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But before we get to that.

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But before we do, I want to take the usual time at the end here to mention, check us out on Facebook.

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Opeth.

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Okay, 8th grade fucking Tiger Beat girl.

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Opeth.

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And Jay. CatatonicJ.

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So the kids will understand it.

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More importantly, gentlemen, for spending your weekend with us.

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Thank you very much, guys. Truly.

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Thank you for having us.

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We occupied three, four hours of your guys' time.

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And you were generous with it, and you were super fun to talk to.

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Thanks, guys.

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I've been looking forward to this for a long time.

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I've been a fan of the podcast for almost like a year now.

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That means a lot.

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Quite a treat for me.

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Excellent.

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It means a lot.

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And I want to give a shout out to our buddy Will Cook, who has in the past week taken over our Twitter account to try and show us how it's done. And he's gotten us at least 50 follows in the last week. So thank you, Will. We are not so smart there. Not good computer talk. Yeah. Hey, and I'm going to plug these guys new record because they just said it was coming out and they're going to plug your own stuff here if you feel free. But that new record you said has come out in physical format.

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before long, correct? Yes, very soon. Next couple weeks, hopefully. A stamp of approval is certainly on it from this show. Not that it needs it, but good stuff. All right. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Just to mention it again, that's Inferra Brew. The album is In Conjuration. And if you fucking want to get it right fucking now, go to Bandcamp. It's there. Buy it. Live it. Love it. And three other albums as well. Yep. All right. I have one last thing to say, like we mentioned last week. If you listen to us, please take the

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the time it helps us out tremendously go on itunes leave us a review go on anywhere where you can download the podcast leave a review for us it just helps us out basically it does help other people find us yep so thank you and i was going to give and still willing to give free catatonic society cd people who are making those comments first five people we really haven't heard from people maybe you don't want the cd that's fine but email uh george or the um metalheads podcast facebook page and

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with your information,

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if you left one of those comments,

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then I'll send you a CD.

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Yep.

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And we just got guitar picks.

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I'll send you a guitar pick.

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Nice.

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All right.

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So we're getting ready to head out,

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but we're going to play you another song off of In Conjuration.

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And maybe you guys can tell us a little bit about this before we play it.

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This is Proclamation 3, In Conjuration.

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All right.

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Sort of the title track, obviously.

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It's part three of a three-part concept that was originally just going to be one track,

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But I decided to split it into three. Sort of halfway through the process. And it's probably the most melodic vocally on the album. Everybody's going to think we're pussies now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's. Yeah. I just tapped out from you guys. I loved you guys. The past almost three hours we've talked. I'm done now. Anyway. Yeah. This is the third.

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of a three-part series.

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And yeah, that's it.

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Okay, here is the song.

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We will see you all next time.

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Thanks for coming on, guys.

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Thanks, guys.

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RING!

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The blood of the night, scarlet day.

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My powers of will release the heights of love from fate.

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Sacrifice, revolve the rising shell.

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There are all the boundaries of the form you are

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With the grace of his strike

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The waste of his life

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At the gates of dawn

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Remember it's all of every secret

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A feast upon the flesh, strange pathways being healed, in conjuration.

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Receive the hardest of stars.

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Draw down the sun and moon Waze up in this of night To break in the sky The sudden headed straight Awakened at last

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So pretend the coming storm

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We'll see the hardest-rested stars

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Torn down the darkness

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In all it blue

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The vessel at the point

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The elder guards

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The ring of hate

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I find a way

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The blood of me

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