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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George. And this is Buke. This is Jay. And this is episode 43 of the Metalheads Podcast. How are you guys doing today? What's going on? I personally am fighting off a head cold. I think the three of us are fighting our own sickness or illness in our own ways also. Yep. All three of us actually, yeah. The trifecta, yeah. Mine's been dragging on for like two weeks, dude. And I've just got the last ends of it.

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And George has been sniffing since I've been talking to him today.

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Yeah, mine just hit a couple days ago.

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And I blame it on wearing only a hoodie in freezing weather to interview bands.

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But we'll get to that a little later.

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The thing for me that makes it worse is being a little healthy.

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I wear a CPEP machine.

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So very quickly that can take an already stuffed up nose somewhat.

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And it could just the next morning full blown, you're gasping to fucking breathe. Because it's just ramming air down your mouth and nose all night long. So there's a couple nights I'll wake up after going to bed with the mask on like I'm waterboarding myself. So that doesn't help. And in my world, it's also, and I wanted to get this on record and extend a sincere thank you to you guys and everybody else.

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With the passing of my grandmother, she was extremely close to me. As George, you met her numerous times. She was awesome. Just the classic, complete grandma. She said to her, hey George, you want something to eat? She'll bake, she'll make you a rack of ribs. Smoke them, make you fresh barbecue sauce and all that stuff. Yeah, sorry for your... Just a true grandma. But we always remember grandma would tell me not to be sad from her. So I'm not really hung up.

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I'm done with you grandma. What did you do because you thought grandma would want you to? What did you go out and do? I went to the record store when I was down in Charlotte. That's right. Passages. Sorry. Both of you guys said extremely kind stuff to me. A lot of people on Twitter reached out. Death is kind of funny in this age.

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that we live in now because it's not my place to ever tell somebody how to heal or cope with loss or something like that but i didn't want to put my business out there because i'm not one for a lot of the fake uh sympathy stuff like i see some people going around if that's what people want hey that's fine i i didn't so you know you you guys knew what was going on and before we get into the pod today again just wanted to thank you guys and i'm i've been in kind of a funk since then because i'm

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I haven't been getting a lot of sleep because I'm sick. Grandma stuff happened and just wonderful stuff with work. Just look at it this way. She's with Lemmy now. Yes. She's up there going, oh, Matthew, if you only knew. And you have been a little quiet. I haven't heard from you as much lately, which is fine. I mean, I know you're busy and dealing with shit, but I want to say this, and I don't have to say it on George's behalf,

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But we love you, brother. I love you guys, too. Everything's perfect in my world. Just extremely, just been kind of a whirlwind couple weeks. All these things. Grandma was 85 or so. It never makes it easy. But it's, hey, I was going to work one day, and then, hey, you got the call. And it's like, what? Yes, it's weird. Yeah, at least you got down there while she was still hanging on. Like I was telling you, we live in Maryland, and my grandmother,

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was down in Atlanta. And she had a stroke. And my parents and I drove down there like 14 hours to get there. And she passed just as we were rolling into Atlanta. So we didn't even get to see her. So I'm glad you got to see your grandma before she left. It was extremely short. But yeah. It's weird. It's weird. But again, I keep trying to remember what grandma would want. But hey, people didn't come here to hear us talking about sobby stuff. They came here to talk about metal. All right. Well, last weekend,

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And Buk and I went to a show here in Frederick, Maryland at the Cafe 611. We went to go see Decapitated with Black Breath and Theories and Chaotica and some other local bands. Unfortunately, Black Breath canceled the tour, so they weren't there. We didn't find that out until we got there. Did you hear a reason behind that, by the way? I saw a press release, but I didn't read the whole thing beyond, we have to cancel the tour. And while we were there, Buk did an interview with Theories, which we'll get to.

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you in a few minutes. Cool. And we were surprised and happy to run into our friends from Yesterday's Saints, Albert and John. And that was probably the best part of the night except for the interview. What do you think? I wanted to say this about that night. I'm glad we have Jay on being a musician and played way more live shows than you and I have, George. Theories, first off, for those who don't know, are a grind death.

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Grincore Death Band, Grincore Death Metal from Seattle. We had the pleasure of interviewing Joe the drummer, Lee the guitar, and Rick on vocals. Extremely, extremely fun time talking to these guys. But cold. Extremely cold. But we had a blast talking to them about, and you'll hear about their tour, about the band playing live, about coffee. All kinds of good stuff. Yeah, all kinds. It was a great conversation.

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So I go into this so excited to see them. And first off, all these guys look badass. This is another one of those metal bands where every single fucking one of them is all tatted up. You know, from the clothes they wear and everything, they look so badass. And when I try to put on the same clothes, I'm like, man, I look fat in this. Maybe I should just get into indie music or something like this. So I get so excited for them. Their set starts and they play like the first

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And then the house sound guy who looks like he's one of those guys who looks like in a past life. No, not a past life, but looked like a couple of decades ago. He was probably like Winston's cigarettes, biggest supporter. You know, the sound guy. He's like probably late forties, early fifties, shoulder length, feathered gray hair. No, for sure. Uh, gray hoodie, you know, gray, you know, pullover sweatshirt, tight jeans, a chain wallet. Yeah. It was probably a

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Probably in the 70s, a real big hit at the roller derby, or at the roller skate place. The guy who could do all the fancy roller skate moves. The board at this place. Some guy in between bands goes outside, smoke his Lucky Strike. So I say that because after Theory's first song, his microphone cut off. I know George edited it out, but I was just fiddling around with stuff. This guy could not stop fiddling.

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with the dials on the sound.

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Well, I mean, that's what they do.

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But the thing is, the soundboard was off to the, like, back right instead of in the center where it should be.

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And so he kept, like, the whole evening, he would be at the board, fiddle with something.

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He'd run to the middle of the room and stand there and listen for a minute.

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And then he'd run back to the board and do some twiddling and then run back to the middle of the room.

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It was just kind of a joke.

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You know, he may be the greatest sound engineer the world's ever seen.

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and we just don't know it because the venue and what they have for speakers and gear just isn't that good. And it's an odd room. It's not like... The room at Sofjay, the stage is kind of railed off. It's probably 15 by 15. And easily, like the pictures they have hanging on the wall, your disco night or swing night could be taking place there.

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Night, over Metal Night. And it's apparently a restaurant during the day, so I'm assuming that there's tables and stuff that they whisk out of the way in the evening for shows. It's not set up like any other place that I've ever seen shows. It's basically a restaurant with a bar off to one side, and they clear everything out, and there's a little area with literally one step up, and then to the back of that, there's one more step up, and that's what the band is on.

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And so the band pretty much is in the crowd. And it's just not big. I don't think the room's big enough for the sound that they're throwing at it. And so it's just sort of bouncing off all the corners and just sounds crappy. You know, there's not enough room for the music to breathe. Yeah, that'll fuck you up. It's like playing in a closet or something. And that was what I wanted to ask you, Jay. First off, we'll get back to theories after this, because it all ties together. But when you're out there playing, Jay, and you're, you know, surrounded by a shitty setup, do you,

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Are you thinking in your head, first off, are you cognizant of it? Oh yeah, fucks everything up. The sound is being projected out. I saw Rick a couple times was just pissed off that his mic kept cutting out. Lee kept asking for his monitor to be turned up. It was just a disaster. We've played at such a wide range of places in the Bay Area, range from people who threw a PA together, like, oh, there's a band here tonight, we better get something, you know what I mean, to

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to places that have really nice dedicated stuff. So I'll just say a couple things. One is, I think it's safe to say that in 50% of the shows we've played, I did not hear myself singing at all. And they might have heard me out in front. In fact, I would ask after the show, and I would ask friends and stuff, and be like, could you hear me? And they'd be like, yeah, I heard you fine. It's like, I can't hear my voice for shit. If you can't hear yourself, you don't know what you're doing, or how loud it is, or if you're in key or what. And that's a problem. Or you just shout so hard that you just end up screaming, and it just sounds terrible.

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And then, like, we played this place called Rock Bar in San Jose recently. It was probably the biggest place we've ever played. They had this huge fucking stage. I mean, literally, it was like a different time where Sergei was than where I was standing, you know what I mean? It was like we were in different time zones, dude. So, but I could, and we were so far apart that I couldn't hear the drums. And it was, like, as weird as that sounds, I could not hear the drums because the only thing I could hear was my amplifier. Long story short, dude, I used to have anxiety over that, you know? I did because I would be like, what's it going to be at this place?

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I would go and I would just think this could either be a lot of fun or it's going to be really frustrating and I'm going to and I won't be able to hear or this or that. So I know the places I like the most and I can tell you this. The places I like the most are the ones where it's a small place and what I experience of the music is what I experience in our practice room, which is I hear the drums because I'm standing next to the drums and I hear the bass because I'm very close to that. You know what I mean? It's not going through some sound system first. And you know, I feel for these bands. Me too.

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Because after going to real concert venues here in the area, Phil Moore, Ram's Head, I feel for them because even though these guys did not say it during the interview, you would not know that they were not looking forward to it or anything like that or any of the bands. But you have to walk into a venue like that after playing shows for years and know, oh God, we're not in for something good here. And you know what, dude? I have developed that sixth sense in myself and we're not the most experienced band in the world, but I know when we're walking to a place and it's just going to suck.

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You remember that? We played a show about a week ago, and Bukie put up a funny comment that was a 70s night. Yeah, that's what it looked like, yeah. And it did, because they had this hilarious laser show, and it's this little bar in a place called Crockett. It was a great little town. But I will say this. As soon as I saw those lights, and there was two guys in there who clearly sound like a hobby with them, I was like, this was going to be fucking great. It was just obvious. No, I mean it was a sincere hobby of theirs. And so I could tell that these guys were going to really work hard to make sure we were comfortable and could hear everything.

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Because they put thought into it. Other places you go in and it's like a 60 watt light bulb and a couple old speakers and they're like, I don't think that microphone works. You don't know what you're going to get. I want to know, the thing you mentioned about how it was sort of an anxiety for you about going into a show and not knowing what it was going to be like reminded me of dreams that I've had recurring. And I'm not even in a band. I've never played in a live setting. I've only ever played in the studio.

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And I was wondering if you have these dreams too, being that you do play shows. I have some friends that are in a national touring band, and I've gone on the road with them several times. And I have this dream where I'm with them, and they're like, all right, let's go up on stage. Come on, George. And they slap a guitar on me. And I walk out there, and I'm like, but I don't know any of the songs. And I'm standing out there feeling ridiculous. It's like the going to naked to school dream.

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And I'm like standing there with a guitar on a stage with these guys and I'm letting them all down because I don't know the songs. Do you ever have anything like that? No, but when we started playing, I have no shame in telling you that my stage fright was so fucking crippling that we would play, this would have been a couple years ago, and we would play and I was so nervous that my hands wouldn't work right. And I would play really bad. But it just lessened over time. And then also the other thing was, like the sound thing, the reason I had anxiety over that was because if you can't hear certain parts of the music, you can't, it's hard to play. It's hard to play if you can't hear

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the drummer or that. But we've been through enough of them now and I don't think there's too many weird surprises. I still get a little butterflies before we go on, but that's it. And the other thing is, we have never fucked up so bad. I probably made a huge practice of it for our first 10 shows, I bet, where I would say to my friend's wife or somebody who knew us, like our drummer's wife, I'd be like, she'd say, you guys were great. And I'd always say, I was terrible. I played terrible tonight. She'd say, I couldn't tell. And that's the truth. People can never fucking tell. You have to have a fucking monumentally terrible night for everybody.

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to pick up on that. So these days I don't worry about it too much. And I mean, fuck it. Life is short.

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So theories, what the guys do, they come out and the floor is packed with people. And they come out and through all the sound problems and everything, they tore that fucking stage apart.

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Nice, dude. Raging, Raging Mosh Pit. They're fucking Rick is moshing with the kids. Lee is tearing it up. Kush on bass is playing awesome.

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Joe on drums is one of the greatest drummers I've ever seen live. It was amazing. Cool. Yeah, they were really good. And it was during their, it was right before their set that we sort of walked into something smelly. There was somebody there. And Buick and I were talking about this. And this was the worst smelling person I have ever, ever encountered. Well, if they're kind of a grand core band, you must add a couple of punks in there. And the punks, they don't like the... Man, it was a younger guy. It was kind of hard.

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wearing a denim jean jacket yeah and it's like he died in it and came back or something

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because i mean you know there's bo smell oh yeah which is it's rank but kind of uh it's not

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forceful it's just sort of a ew this was like an assault on the nose yeah like it was it was a sharp stinky

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this is like this is so so bad it's like i have to get oh i have to get out of here yeah there was no being

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We kept having to move where we were because the dude would get in the pit and just stir that shit around everybody. And it was just like, it was so nauseating. I felt so bad for the bands because he posted up dead center, like a foot from them. Yeah. I've never smelled anything like that. Like pig pen in there, you know. God. Wow, that's rough, dude. So then after Theories, which should have been Black Breath but wasn't, was then decapitated. And, you know, they suffered from sound issues as well.

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Man, those guys are some classy, professional, deaf metal masters. You know, just to take two steps back, I do want to say, I feel twice as bad for those touring bands, because they drive all day, and then to end up in a place with shitty sound, it's just got to crush your night. I mean, a little bit, where you're just sort of like, fuck, man, this is the one thing we do in this long day that I look forward to. But I mean, it's cool that it sounds like they all handle it with class and just fucking tore into it, as you say, which is even, you know. And you know what? Sometimes those can be the best things, best shows.

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And, you know, Buke and I both ended up walking out of there with Theory's album on vinyl, so can't beat that. Cool. A little spoiler. But yes, Decapitated Live is one of those bands, and I love it when it's the harder-hitting, you know, death metal bands that don't miss a beat from how they sound on the album. Right on. Cool. At the end of the night, we needed to have a battle of the dreads between Decapitated Singer and Joe, the drummer for Theory's, because they both had these, like, fucking ass-long dreadlocks.

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Nice. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. You know, to just get them both up there and just fucking like whipping that around in a windmill. Pretty badass. You know, but as much as I was looking forward to this show with George, George made a statement as we were driving away that to go back there again, it's going to be hard to do because even if you like a band, the experience, because again, we are going, if I want to look at a band playing live, I can just pull up a YouTube.

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clip. But the act of hearing it is so piss poor there that it's really hard to go back. And Rivers of Nile is playing with Blackfast at the end of the month. Next weekend. Yeah, next weekend. Dude, I will avoid bands for that reason sometimes. There are bands that I've seen that have consistently had bad sound every time I've seen them in multiple venues and are just like, they got a fucked up sound guy. And I will literally just not go, even if it's somebody I love. Like I've seen Megadeth

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probably four or five times once the sound was good. There's something wrong with our sound guy. There's good things and there's bad things about Cafe 611. The big obvious gorilla in the room is the sound is not good. We've talked about bad sound like Empire and Jax in the past. Even Jax had better sound than this place. Exactly. This is not bad sound. This is horrible. This is horrible. But on the other side of things, if it's a band that you really love and you want to stand two feet away

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from them on the same level or even meet them, it's a good place. Because the place is so small, the bands pretty much hang out at their merch booth. And so, I mean, that's how I met fucking... Kirk Winston. Kirk Winston from Crowbar. Wow, I fucking nailed that, dude. Look at me go. Yeah. That went out of my ass. Yeah. You know, so pretty much everybody from the bands is just wandering around in the room. So, you know, particularly for us, if we're like maybe trying to just snag an interview on the fly, it's an opportunity. But,

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It's not really an opportunity to hear the music

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Which is a shame

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Yes

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But I mean I see

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Like you say there's a plus there

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That is kind of a cool plus

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But yeah man

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Bad sound will fucking drive you away from a place

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And I agree with

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You said it perfectly

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You can do that shit on YouTube dude

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You don't have to go down there just to hear

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You know

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Who fucking wants that

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Even if you know every word

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Yeah

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Chaotica played before Theories

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And I'm not real familiar with them

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But apparently Albert and maybe John as well

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They're friends with them

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And so I was like, all right, I want to give them a listen because they're the ones that were in the news because they were in that van accident. And so I was kind of like wanting to, you know, throw a little support their way if I could. And all I heard was this massive rumbling bass and the occasional like, from like the female singer. I couldn't hear the guitar. I couldn't even hear the drums. What is it about some guys that, I mean, I've seen, I've been to shows like this, just, and you want to go and just strangle the sound guy and just be like, dude, what the fuck, dude? Yeah. What, what,

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What are you hearing? I mean, it makes you want to go stand where he's standing. Speaking of, I've been to a couple of shows just in the last year where a lot of guys are controlling their shit digitally now. So they'll actually walk around the club with an iPad. And it's got little digital levers on it. And they can adjust shit from there. When I saw Trollfest and Corporate Clowney and all those guys, they had that. I thought that was kind of a slick setup. So he could literally make on-the-fly actual changes as he walked around the club.

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Which, incidentally, that was a show with really good sound. Nice. It was also a venue with good sound. So that's called Slim's in the city, and they tend to have pretty pro stuff. So we were able to actually rescue some good sound from the night. So why don't we get into our wonderful-sounding interview, minus myself doing it. Our interview is theories. Okay, this is Buke and George of the Metal Heads Podcast. We're standing outside.

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Freezing Cold.

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To interview the guys from Theories.

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What's going on, gentlemen?

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Say your names for us.

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Hey, this is Rick.

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Hi, I'm Joe.

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And you guys do what in the band, Rick?

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I'm the vocalist.

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Joe Drums.

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Joe on drums, Rick on vocals.

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Gentlemen, I was Joe talking to you inside the merch table before we started this.

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How's the tour been going, guys?

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It's been a lot of fun so far.

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I've had a chance to make it all the way out to the East Coast in just about a week and a half.

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And all the shows so far have been great.

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If not, a bit cold. Now, for those who don't know, you guys are from Seattle. Is the whole band from Seattle? I mean, we've all been living there. Certain members are from the East Coast, but we've all been in Seattle for quite a while. What is it that brought you guys together? I ask, on the podcast, it seems like a lot of our bands we interview now that Craigslist or the Internet has been the great bringer together of some metal bands that we really enjoy.

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brought all you guys together and how long you've been doing this? I mean, I've known Joe for like 10 years now just from going to shows in the same places. A lot of the other guys have known Joe for a while. So he's kind of been the person that's binded us all together. But we all kind of started playing together because we all work on the same block in Seattle. Kind of like a party block. Lots of bars and the coffee roastery I work at is on the same block there. Is it a metal coffee roastery? Metal friendly, but I wouldn't say.

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Is that why you guys have your own coffee at the table? Yeah. That's okay. You know, I don't know if you know the band Tombs. Mike, the lead singer of Tombs, actually is in the coffee and roast coffee and has it himself. So that was the second time I saw that. That was pretty, pretty cool. Gentlemen, you guys just released an album on Metal Blade, correct? Yeah, that's right. Regression came out in March.

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of last year. And you guys happy with how it turned out? Yeah, absolutely. I think it was really awesome for our debut, and it seemed to be received really well, so I'm pretty happy with it. Yeah, the thing that struck me right away is the grind sound that you guys have, but then you do throw elements of a death bundle sound in with it, like a death grind. I know here I am throwing out genres. Everybody tries to put on bands and labels and shit like that.

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something that definitely stands out. Working for Metal Blaze under their flag definitely can't do any better than them in the storied history. Right. Yeah. We're very happy. We were really surprised and excited when we found out they wanted to sign us. Yeah. We in fact had Brian on last year, one of our first episodes. And if there's a guy you want running a record label other than Brian Slegel, that's the fucking guy you want. He seems like he's the champion.

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for every band underneath him. Right, yeah. Done a lot for us so far. Joe, I was talking to you inside. You said after this tour you got some festivals you guys are maybe playing in the summer. Can you speak on that? Yeah, we're playing, what's the name of the festival in Canada? Southwest Terror Fest? Oh, oh, shit. We're doing, well, we're playing Southwest Terror Fest with Pig Destroyer. Are they playing? Gorf Open Nosebleed and Nails.

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We're playing... Fuck, I can't remember the name of the festival in Vancouver with Suffocation and Misery Index, Job for Cowboy. Probably some hockey-themed metal thing. Yeah. It's called Sick-Ass Hockey Fest. Yeah, Puck, you or someone like that, yeah. So those are you guys' immediate future plans? Yeah, and there's like a short two-week tour that's going to happen in June with a band called Immortal Bird who are incredible.

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Modified Ghost is the name of the... Okay. But yeah, Immortal Bird, they're great. They're one of our favorites last year. They've been doing some pretty awesome stuff. Yeah, the record they did is absolutely incredible. Yeah, absolutely. Do you guys have favorite albums from last year? We just did our year-end podcast a couple weeks ago. I know you guys maybe get asked this question a lot. If nothing comes to mind, you're not going to say it, but... New Cattle Decapitation record. And whoops, sorry, we are just joined by now... Lee. Lee, you are? Guitar player. The guitar player.

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That Caldo album, what an amazing growth for an album, isn't it? It is, it is. I mean, they definitely, all the elements that they did on that record, they had on, you know, the record before. Yeah. Monumented in Humanity. Yeah. It's just kind of them building on top of that and getting more wild with that element. Like, Travis's insane vocals. It's like, it drives me crazy what he's capable of. When I heard this, it's insane.

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When I heard that, what's it, the first track, Manufactured Extinction, I think it is, when they go right into his clean singing vocals there, it kind of sounds that wicked, kind of his own voice. It's really ambitious. They come from that grind world. They come from the grind world and they're doing something with it that no one's ever done. You know what, guys? The grind world for me, it's great that you just mentioned it. You said I'm wearing a Napalm Death hoodie. They were always a band for me.

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and grind at this for years was really hard for me to get into because i thought that i didn't understand it and a lot of it just hit you right in the face really hard really fast and i didn't know how to appreciate it and then we saw napalm last year was it george yeah it was a little over a year ago and that ape that apex predator album yeah man that's an amazing album and they're old men yes they're old guys yes and the i was seeking when i

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I gave it a full listen after seeing them live. You're like, man, there's really depth here. I don't mean, I mean, it's in the most respect. Grind for me and what stands out with you guys, Grind was just very plain, very, very simple to me. That's someone who didn't really understand it. But then when guys like you or what Napalm are doing that adds a little more to it, that's what I like to hear. So you liked the color. What was yours? I mean, I'd have to say, I mean, the new Behemoth album really kicked my ass.

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I love that album. And I think it came out last year. It might have been late the year before, but the new Ghostbath album, Moon Lover, I was really into. Yours? I forget the name of the record, but the new Ahab. That's the one. They are one of our podcast favorite bands. They're incredible. I've been listening to The Giant nonstop since it came out. My man, give me that. Yes. It's nice to have a new one from them. I've made my top 10 of the last 15 years.

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The Boats

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is that song is like the perfect fucking song.

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Yeah.

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Amazing.

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You just put on headphones and listen to that album and you just it blows your mind.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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You know, I thought the Boats was a little disappointing just because I think the

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the Giant to me was so perfect that I thought there's no way that they could top that.

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I'm saying the Boats wasn't bad.

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It just wasn't the Giant.

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Yeah.

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The vocals are different.

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Yeah.

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It took a little bit of getting used to, but I like it. It kind of has that Seattle grunge vocal sound, which I guess I have to like, right? So, guys, growing up, you guys all look about my age. 24. Okay. Man, I give myself, man, I'm 33. Boy, I'm feeling good now. Did you guys kind of get thrown into the grunge world growing up?

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Or is that just kind of what us here from the East Coast, Maryland? I'd say, I mean, like, you grew up in New York, so you weren't exposed to much of that. Lee and I were the only two people born and bred in Washington. Where's your flannel? Let me see. Go on. Oh, man, it's at home. I've been at home. So, like, when I was growing up, like, my favorite bands were the Melvins and, like, Soundgarden and stuff like that. Like, I was definitely immersed in that stuff. It kind of formed the way I listen to music now.

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Like me and Rick have this ongoing conversation about why I can't get into black metal. And it's because I got into the Melvins way too early. And so I need big drums and I need big riffs and I need in order for it to sound heavy. I mean, it's a different aesthetic. It's like something that trained my ear to like listen to the, like look for those riffs and those big drums and like, you know. I don't get into myself. I'm not a black metal guy. Yeah, I mean, I do like some black metal bands, but generally it's like black metal bands like that have,

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that have that element to it. Like some of the behemoth stuff. I like my shit recorded on a boombox. That's what I like. We have this discussion on the pod. They have caused so much hatred that's been spewed about them. But the band Deaf Heaven. George, their albums recently have been hailed as album of the year by multiple outlets. Rolling Stone gave some better. Not that it means shit. But gave some better album of the year. But then George,

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Hates it because George says, hey, it's 2015. Albums don't look down. 2016. Albums don't need to fucking sound like that. Yeah. Yeah. Shitty. They can be recorded with. The music is recorded fine. It's the fact that the vocals are fucking indecipherably buried that really fucking bothers me about it. And the fact that they look like they just walked out of some fancy club in New York. I can almost appreciate that on some.

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I mean, I don't feel like they're trying to do something.

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I'm not a big Deaf Haven fan myself.

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I don't really like them.

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But one thing I can give them credit for is that they're not trying to pass themselves off as some cult black metal band.

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They're definitely self-aware of what they are.

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That they're kind of hipster post-metal.

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And so it's whatever.

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They can do whatever they want.

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Teach their own.

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I mean, that's fine with me.

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I've actually never heard Deaf Haven.

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But to me, like, I mean, black metal didn't sound, like, it didn't get the crappy production initially because that's what the bands had to do. Like, I mean, the first band to really, like, do that was Dark Throne, and they had a good recording budget. Like, their first album was a solidly recorded, like, Swedish, like, death metal album, and they intentionally did that. So I think a big part of black metal for me is, like, defying expectations. So I don't, fuck whatever anybody thinks you should do, like, or conforming to some sort of,

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Like, do what the fuck you want to do, and I mean, do exactly what people don't want you to do. And that can be pretty black metal. Look, you guys have Joe in it, man. You guys can't see here on this podcast, but Joe, you got long fucking dreads that are epic. Epic! But they're recorded really poorly. That right there. Put that on the fucking shirt. Joe, I gotta ask you.

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style music as a drummer. Do you like this style to play? Because we mentioned Ahab. When I hear a lot of the funeral doom stuff, I think to myself, oh, as a drummer, they must be bored fucking silly. I have to wonder. I love playing this kind of music. Yes. It hurts, and I'm getting old, and there's definitely a good amount of shows where halfway through I'm like, fuck, be over, be over, be over. But I kind of can't get away from it.

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I've tried to dumb it down and it doesn't work. Yeah. Would you be now on the flip side, would you be bored if you were in like a funeral doom band? I am. I am in a doom band. It's no... For those who are in this, I was trying to lead us into a question. Go ahead and tell other people who you're in. I play in Samothrace. It's not boring because I like the music a lot and I get to hit really hard. Yeah.

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It's different. At Death Fest last year, we saw skepticism. And what you just said hit home. Fucking it's hitting you like a Mack truck every time they play. It's slow, it's trotting, but it's, man, it's fucking pounding. And I just always wonder if, you know, what you guys think about playing that style. You guys here, again, have a couple more dates on this tour. Can we expect you guys

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guys to enter the studio. Are you working on new stuff? That's what we're working on pretty much. Like that's we have some like we were saying earlier we have some fests coming up. We got a couple like small tours but focusing like at least for me focusing on writing another record that's my priority. We had this one come out and you know I'm I'm really ADD so like so like when I like I'm really stoked about how it turned out and I I'm like that was great. That's fucking

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Do it again. Like, let's just get working on the next one, man. Like, that's all I want. As a band, what's your guys' method for doing your guys' writing? Who does most of it? Do you guys put it in? You do? Well, I mean, it's like, I write the actual, like, riffs and, like, melodic structures and stuff like that. Or if you want to call it that. And then me and Joe work out, like, arrangement with Kusha. Kusha, he's not here, but Kusha works out arrangements.

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It's relatively collaborative. It all starts with guitars, though. I mean, I've tried to pester Joe about, like, starting from the standpoint of coming up with drum lines first. We've done that in the past, and I kind of enjoyed it. It's kind of like a different... It accesses a different part of my brain than I normally use. But, yeah, I mean, we're working whatever we can on new stuff. It's what I do.

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That is the best part, the creative part of it. And it's been a while. You know, when you guys hear, you know, driving, you know, across the country here on tour, I'm not going to ask you what's your craziest tour story and shit like that. But does it give you guys a chance to really get together and, you know, bounce ideas back and forth? Or really this kind of driving around isn't, you know, because with technology being what it is, you guys could pull out like an iPhone, iPad or something or a laptop and lay down something.

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or when you guys have hours to kill outside shitty bars here in Frederick. I think that's something that's conducive to having a bigger space. Like guys that have sprinters or have chairs where you can sit down and do that stuff. I have a Toyota Prius. You're not recording anything in my fucking car. But when you're in a van, we don't have a trailer. All of our gear is crammed into our van. All of our stuff is crammed into our van.

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We get a chance to talk about a lot of ideas, to bounce things off of each other, shoot down each other's plans. It has nothing to do with music, though. It generally has, we're bouncing like ideas about, creative ideas about how we can get... Make a sandwich. We do take our iPhones and iPads out and lay down in the van and play Angry Birds. Look at Instagram. Look at Instagram, look at all that shit.

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Is there any point during a tour when you guys, because it blows me awake, and I talk to my coworkers, and I'm like, yeah, you know, these are my bands going around in, you know, vans, just out there playing for the love of it. Does it get to a point, and I'm sure it has to, I'm going to take the words out of your mouth, so if it doesn't, when you get to a point, like, maybe a couple days into a tour, or like right now, you're like, God, this fucking sucks. Here we are in Maryland, gotta drive all the way fucking back to Washington in this thing. Does it ever get to a point, guys, and you're like,

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Man, this sucks. It hasn't been too bad. I think considering how much time we spend together, we actually all get along really well. Like, obviously we all get on each other's nerves to, like, some extent, but not nearly to the extent that I've experienced other bands. I was actually, yeah, I was actually talking about this earlier. I find on tours I hit little mini walls periodically where it's just like, you know, where, like, one day I'm waking up and I'm like, oh, it's this again. But ultimately, I

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I love it you know and I couldn't imagine doing like anything else with this time you know I mean me and Joe have these conversations like where we'll be like you know if we get offered this thing to do like fuck our lives you know like it doesn't matter like it's it's I think what with everything like every every day you make a conscious decision like you know this is what I'm doing and like if you don't do that it's I mean I feel like that's what that's what

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That's what a work ethic is. You know? I gotta take some of your words to heart. Because sometimes, you know, I'm not on tour driving around, but some days I'm like, God, I'm going to work again. Hey, I only work four days a week. That works with jobs too, man. Just getting up, like, you make a conscious decision, show up to work. I mean, some days you wake up and it's not as fun as other days. But that's what makes you a worker, you know? Yeah. Except for when you do that with jobs, you don't end up homeless. That's true. We got a van that's a home.

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I've been touring for a long time and I honestly like even if I didn't like it anymore which is not true like I I fucking love tour the only thing I don't like about tour setting up my drums but I mean it takes like 20 minutes once I'm done I'm like I was such a baby about that but um like I I don't know I don't know what I do if I wasn't touring I'm sure you guys have met countless people make countless friends wonderful connections seen the country you know

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You guys have been able to see sites that people wouldn't go their whole lifetimes never seeing. You know? I get to see. Yeah, a lot of the... I think that as opposed to like vacationing in a place, it's cool to see like what people actually do and like actually meet locals. Like every once in a while, if we have some extra time, we'll like fuck around and see something touristy, like go to the Alamo or something like that. But when we come to town, we're just kind of living like the basic like town life. And that's a part of every city. I don't think most people get to see when they visit. No, definitely not. Even if you're on like the kind of tour

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where the drives are super long and the loads are early and you don't get to do much besides go to the show still like the level of responsibility is like nothing compared to being at home you know like if something fucked up happens like there's nothing you can do till you're back home so like basically our responsibility is get our gear where it's supposed to be play for 30 minutes and have a good time and then get it back off the stage like everything isn't catching on fire back at home yeah and if it does catch on fire like then it'll deal with it in a week or two you know like

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You can do about it right now as your phone goes off. Everything catches on fire. You don't have to worry about finding storage for some of the stuff that survives. I was just saying as your phone goes off saying like, oh shit, it's burned down. You guys made any good, especially you Joe, you guys been in past bands as well? Yeah, we've all been in bands forever. Nothing too notable.

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A little bit, count time, nothing really notable.

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Yeah.

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I played in a kind of like a metalcore band called Groovy Days to Come.

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I did like a project that was, I have pretty diverse music styles, and I did a project

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that sounded kind of like Drive Like Jehu or Unwound, you know?

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Yeah.

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Stuff like that.

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Guys, since you guys just put your first album out on Metal Blade, we see a lot of bands and how we get introduced to a lot of bands is Bandcamp and stuff and a lot of bands putting things out by themselves. Before Metal Blade and you guys got signed to them, was that something that you guys had even looked into? And are you maybe a little relieved that you don't have to worry about putting it all out by yourself? We had a Bandcamp.

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We started the band in 2011. We started the band in 2010, kind of. Just a couple dudes. And then we recorded a demo. We had four songs that we recorded before the band was full. It was kind of like a, let's record this and then figure out who else is going to be in it kind of thing. And we had that demo out. We toured on that demo like five times or something. And then we did a split seven inch with Wake

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from Calgary. So I mean we had some stuff out before but we kind of did everything backwards like we the band the band started because we wanted to tour. So we kind of wrote a set and then toured a lot and then buckled down to to record. How did getting signing getting signed come about? We sent some stuff out and we had a booking agent who did as well and Metal Blade. Wow.

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I think they saw that we were a band that was willing to work. We would have put out the album regardless. We recorded it on our own. They ended up putting it out for us, but we were just going to do it. We were going to tour, we were going to write, we were going to record, and if Metal Blade wanted to help us out, that's fucking fantastic. So more people were going to hear it, but we were going to do it regardless. But I think that helped. I think Metal Blade saw a band that were going to do things anyway.

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saw that as an opportunity.

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Yeah, that is definitely the one thing that I think you still get with labels that I think sometimes with Bandcamp is hard because you go on Bandcamp every day, it's still a bitch of a page to really navigate to see what's new.

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And there's so much stuff just being fucking dumped on it all the time that it's hard to really kind of stand out, I think, sometimes on there.

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But now with the label on what they do, hoping you guys get recognized, definitely helps more than putting it out there by yourselves, which we're going to do and have done in the past. Gentlemen, one question and I'll let you guys go. I don't know if you guys have been following the Metal World news, aside from all the deaths that we've had.

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with his actions on stage. You guys got any comments on that? Or do you think that Phil is... Or do you prefer to stay far, far away from that question? Yeah. So the one thing that bugs me about all of this thing, this stuff, is that like, yeah, so it's a dude that did something stupid. You know, he was drunk. Obviously he was wasted. Of course. That's what I said to him. Kind of my, I mean, granted he did something fucked up, but like kind of my take on all of it is,

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Like one person's one person's like stupid actions or stupid opinions

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doesn't give everyone free license to be shitty to each other.

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And I see a lot of comments about stuff like people like being like, you know,

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that's fine if someone's someone has an opinion that he's racist,

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but then all of a sudden everyone backlashes at that.

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And then that person's like, all right, well, you're all racist.

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And then it's just like everyone fucking everyone like just talking shit on each other.

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And I'm like, what's worse in the grand scheme of things? One person saying something fucked up or like, like, you know, I like Pantera fine, but I was never a huge fan. So I don't have like an opinion. I always kind of thought Phil and Salmo was a little bit of a, a little bit of a tool, you know? So like, I don't, like, I don't have like, I don't have any opinion on what he said. I do have an opinion about the way the general public and social media tends to handle shit like that. So. I mean, I think,

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Yeah, he put his foot in his fucking mouth. I think since then he released the apology, which seemed to me to be heartfelt. It seems like he's being accountable for that. I don't see why people need to deify the artists that make the music they enjoy. I think it's entirely possible to be like, I really enjoy this art. That person is not somebody who I back at all. So I don't know.

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I can listen to the music.

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I mean, I might like a person who burnt down a church.

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But yeah, I think that's it.

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But ultimately, I think the only thing that disappointed me about the backlash is hearing people say that if you're not down with racism, then you're not metal.

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Or if something's not PC, then you're not metal.

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And I don't know.

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Yeah, the whole SJW thing kind of pisses me off.

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Yeah, what I think is fucking metal is standing up for what you believe in.

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like saying fuck you to the people who

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who you hate and if that means

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bigots which at least for me I

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think bigotry has no fucking place in metal

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and that's like my view

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and I'll say that to anybody's fucking face

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and if that makes me like a social justice

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warrior or like a pussy so be it

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I don't give a shit

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well gentlemen anything you say

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in closing and I'll let you guys go inside

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warm up George you got anything

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yeah I was curious about the band name first of all

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who came up with the name theories and what's the theory

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behind theories. I mean, what's that mean? You know, like... You can't ask that. That's... What's the theory for your question? I'm just curious. That was a good one. I don't know. I think Joe came up with a name, but I think it's that we all are kind of interested in weird conspiracy theories and stuff, or... Are you on, like, Matt Pike's level? I don't know what Matt Pike's level is. He's out there. I mean, I'm...

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I've got some ideas about sociopolitical stuff which I could go on for quite a long time. Did we land on the moon? Did we land on the moon? I don't know that there's a fucking moon, man. Dude, the moon doesn't exist. I don't know, I imagine, like, so I hate naming bands, like I hate band names in general, so I think that having

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a name that was relatively ambiguous and kind of like, you know, it's just a word. Like, band name, name it a word, let the music determine what that word means to other people. Like, you know, it doesn't really like, like, so one of the, one of the, one of my favorite band names is, like, I love Today Is The Day, right? And Today Is The Day, if you look at it a particular way, you could think that's some posi-core straight-edge band should be written,

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and collegiate lettering. But their music is depressing as fuck. So it makes me feel like their name is like, today is the day that I fucking kill myself. You know? So that's like, so that's, so what you do, like your art determines what, how people are going to perceive what your band name is. So ultimately it doesn't matter what your band name is. So like, having an ambiguous band name is good for that. I agree. Both those things combined, it was, it was the fact that we were into conspiracy theory shit.

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What's your biggest one? Your biggest conspiracy theory? It's different for all of us. We argue about it and disagree with each other entirely. That's what they're doing in the van. Ever since first reading about it, I think the most interesting one is the harp. Like weather control shit, which is fucking nuts. And yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like the Matt Pike thing. Like everyone, everything's meant to confuse the fuck out of you. So whether you believe in it,

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or you don't believe in it.

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Like, it's just people telling you why you're wrong.

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Like, either side. I don't know.

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So, like, it's interesting. It's a good read.

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And, like, every now and then you'll talk to someone who knows some shit.

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And, like, just by, like, the look on their face or, like, the smirk they give you, you're like, motherfucker, there's so much shit you don't know.

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There's a documentary.

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I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but I watched a documentary on Netflix about one of the flights off of New York or Massachusetts, whoever it was, that got shot down, they say. And they have countless eyewitness reports, hundreds of people, credible people, old ladies, you know, professional guys. And they all said they saw something go up and hit the plane and that's what took it down. But, you know, the FAA says that, oh, it was a

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That's a theory that I fucking got behind. So I can see it. There's tons of ones out there. So definitely passing the time, driving back on the road, bouncing shit off. George, anything else? Yeah, I noticed you guys had vinyl on your merch booth. Any of you guys into vinyl? Or is that just something that you sell because metal blade makes vinyl? We have to actually talk them into doing it. Really? Yeah, I mean, I grew up buying vinyl. I grew up listening to vinyl because

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My father and his 45 collection. I don't see... I mean CDs are nice and they're easy and they're good to listen to so you don't fuck your vinyl up but I don't know. Like it's not fun framing a CD and putting it on the wall you know. Yeah. Like vinyl's just better in every way. Just want to point out to everybody that we are also almost out and it is on limited edition black vinyl so get it while it lasts. I'm going to be going inside and grabbing one of my

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myself. Me too. George also.

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The unspoken thing that I didn't say is that on the podcast, we're all big vinyl fans.

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And so that was like the first thing we zeroed in on when we walked in there.

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We're like, oh, vinyl.

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Okay. Well, gentlemen, I'll let you guys go.

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We're looking forward to seeing you guys tonight.

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Thanks for giving us the time.

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Absolutely. Thanks for having us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That was our interview with the guys from Theories.

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Wonderful group of guys.

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If you haven't, again, checked out their album.

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They released Regression through Metal Blade Records last year. And that is Theories from Seattle, Washington. You can check out their Facebook at facebook.com slash theoriesgrind. And also you can check them out at theories.us. Is Black Breath also from Seattle? I thought they were from that area. I ask because it occurs to me quite suddenly that when I saw Goat Horror, it was with Black Breath and Theories supporting. Yeah, Black Breath is from Seattle. Look at you.

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There we go. Well, I was a lucky guest because I figured that they end up on these tours together. They must be buddies. Jay, what are the lottery numbers for tomorrow? 666, baby, you know. All right, one more thing that I want to get into before we do the news. Something that occurred to me while we were talking to the guys in Theories. For a long time now, I've been aware of the fact that a lot of European metal bands are kind of incestuous, you know, like Hellhammers and a dozen different bands and things like that.

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and metal bands. But I think I'm starting to see this more. Like when we were talking to the

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theories guys and they were talking about some of the other bands that they're in, and it occurred to me, you know, a lot of metal bands really kind of have to keep the ball up in the air for the whole year. And so, you know, you do an album, you tour for a month, and you move on to your next band so that you can, because obviously, you know, one band can't go and release three albums in a year and

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and tour everywhere. And so it's kind of like jobs where you have to bill for your time. And if you're not billing, you're not getting paid. And so, you know, you're a drummer in this band, but when they're not on the road, you've got to be on tour with this band. And if you're not on the road with that band, you have to be on the road with the other band because otherwise you're not eating because you're not, you know, if you want to be a full-time musician, it seems like that's kind of what you got to do. I think that's arguably true with some big, some bands that you might consider pretty big, you know, that we're not going to be a full-time musician.

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We would consider pretty big. Like, Lamb of God, they're probably not having to do that. But I think, you know, there are bands of stature that would be pretty close to that. You'd be surprised that if they just go home and sit after the tour, shit starts getting a little tight, you know? Yeah, I mean, certainly, you know, Lamb of God would be like an A-list band. Yeah. But, you know, like the B... They can't not work for... They can't, like, take a year off, though. You know what I mean? Right. But, like, you know, B and C-list bands that... Bands that you've heard of, but aren't necessarily...

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moving a lot of units just because everybody's downloading it or whatever. These guys, and bands will break up because people aren't making enough money. And so I think the truly industrious people that love music and want to do music full time, I kind of feel like that's what they've got to do to keep things going. Yeah, I think so too. I do. It's kind of a shame on one hand and, well, it's kind of cool on another because we just get more music. Jay, if not to knock you down in your band,

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A band's a band. If one of your band members came to you and said, hey, I'm going to go play with so-and-so, knowing you and your personality, you'd be like, okay, cool. I wonder how much in the band world, how many fights and stuff that comes up with, and how many members are like, no, us first. You know? Well, Metallica for one. James Hetfield for one. Actually, I'll tell you. I think it depends on the person, and I'll tell you why. I'm going to say something that's not too complimentary about our drummer,

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But he was in another band for quite a while while we were playing. And he always considered our band the first band. And it was a good band, too. I liked them. They were called Devil Riding Shotgun. Kind of a Dan Ziggy. It wasn't the greatest name. And kind of a Dan Ziggy type singer, maybe a little stoner rock type stuff. It was cool. And I didn't care at all. It was fine with me. In fact, the guy was a friend of ours. He opened for us. We opened for him. But I have been thinking lately, and that was fine with me, but I've been thinking lately it would be cool to do like a

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Doomside project. There's something where I can play a little slower and enjoy myself and kind of, and plus I love Dooms. You're going to sing in a deep, clean voice. I don't think he would be cool with that. You know what I mean? Like I was very cool with him doing it, but I think, and I think part of that might be because I'm kind of the one who, I'm one of the, everybody puts in a lot of hard work, but I'm the one who writes the songs and stuff. And that might be a little more threatening for him than for me. You know what I mean? Right. And that's just one small example. And we're really good friends. It's nothing weird like that. And I shouldn't even predict his behavior because I don't know what it would be.

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But I think it's about that. There are some guys who are like, we can make this the greatest fucking thing in the world and it's the only thing that matters. And any sign that somebody is trying to do something else worries them. Well, yeah. I mean, you understand, to a point, Hetfield's perspective. Not quite to the crazy point. But you understand that your focus, people want their focus to be on this band. You need to be 100% behind this band. And if you're 100% behind this band,

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you don't have time for other things like that and i can understand that point of view but it's not realistic in in the environment that people are working in now because you know that would be sure that would be great if everybody could have one band and that was it but if you want to make a living and put food on the table and pay your you know house payments or whatever you got to work and even with that george probably not even do those things it'll be limited you know what i mean but i think that is why yeah i think that's a lot of guys i mean even the guys in mastodon and i know they've kind of got houses

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I catch little bits and pieces in interviews. They're doing okay. They're probably better than okay. But there's been some side projects in that band, and I'm convinced it's because when they're not working, some of them get a little like, ah, I need a little money coming in. I mean, actually, Mastodon's a great example, dude, because, again, I know for a fact that their guitar player has built a big, beautiful house in Atlanta, so they're doing all right. But that stated, they actually have a webpage called, it's a Facebook page called Mastodon Yard Sale, and there is always shit. They're constantly selling their old guitars, their old amplifiers, you know?

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I mean,

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and they're not doing it because I'm sure they're doing it,

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you know,

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for the money,

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you know,

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it's not like,

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Ooh,

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the warehouse is too full.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And they,

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they do everything there from sell old vinyl to autographed posters,

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to t-shirts that they found from a few tours ago.

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And then,

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like I said,

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like frequently equipment,

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they're selling equipment a lot.

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They do that.

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I see guitars and amps are all the time.

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So,

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and,

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and,

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and I think that supplements their reasonable income,

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you know,

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it buys other star Wars figures.

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And he's like a big star Wars fan.

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And I always think,

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I once heard, I remember I read an interview with Michael Ackerfeld, and this was probably after Deliverance tour, I'm thinking, or maybe it was the tour that they did with Porcupine Tree, and he was saying when he got home, he spent all the money from the merchandise sales on vinyl. Wow. Yeah, but I mean, that also sort of tells you how much money that really kind of wasn't, and how it does. It comes, and you don't think about it, you think these guys are rolling in it, but you come back from a tour, and one trip to the record shop, in Michael Ackerfeld's case, and he's gone. Yeah. And where's your next paycheck coming from? Yeah. Great point.

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That's a really good point. It's just like you guys said, you cannot expect to, since guys aren't making all the money, it's not right to try and hold someone down. No, I don't think so. It really isn't, especially because you can consider yourself a professional musician, but that's another argument we have in our band every once in a while. It's like every once in a while, I'll say, I'm too sick, or so let's don't play that show next week. And then our drummer will frequently look at me and say, that's not professional, dude. And I always tell him, we're not professionals, dude.

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Nobody's playing.

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You know.

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Well, should we get into some news?

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Let's rock this shit, yo.

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So this first item, I just found out about like two or three days ago.

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But apparently it originally happened in November.

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There's this Iranian metal band called Confessor.

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and they were arrested by the government in Iran. They were apparently arrested in November and just made bail like a week ago. And it's like, wow, they made bail? I mean, that's pretty amazing that they even made bail in Iran. But they're charged with some pretty heinous things, you know, like blasphemy and stuff like that. They released their own album, and so they were charged with running an illegal record label and radio stations.

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And apparently they've lawyered up. And they're facing between six months and six years in prison for this. But the blasphemy charge holds the death penalty. Yeah, capital. It's not that bad. So these guys could conceivably be put to death for playing heavy metal. So this is kind of a big deal. And I think it was Metal Injection started a hashtag called Free Confessor.

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or two ago myself on Twitter. So, you know, go out and read about this if you can. You know, post something on hashtag Free Confessor. Show some support for the band. And I guess let's see what happens. I mean... And what could... And even the hashtag thing or any amount of money, whatever their fate is, is already sealed. You know what I mean? Like, there's no... And I know I'm not trying to stop people. I'm just saying there's no... We can't affect happenings in Iran, unfortunately. But I think that raise awareness is a big thing. Yeah. I just hope over there that, you know, the clear heads

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that they have running the countries over there. They'll prevail. Exactly. My hope is that enough people hear about this, that it'll become sort of a, come to the national, international attention that Iran will have to sort of think twice about executing them. I mean, in the Middle East, you know, people get executed all the time. In groups, dude. And, you know, they could execute this band and we wouldn't even know for three months. That's right.

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So yeah, it is kind of hard for us to do anything, but I think... For all we know, we could be saying, hey, fight for them, free them, free them, and they could be dead already. They could be. But you know, if you can, spread the word, and just try and make as many people aware of this as possible, so maybe, you know... If they made bail, personally, I would be like, get the fuck out of the country. Get the fuck out of Iran. That's their best part. Get out. Come here. Have you heard any of their music? I did. I listened to a little bit. It wasn't half bad.

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I saw, was there a link in the article or something? Yeah, the Metal Injection article had like a SoundCloud. Okay, I'd like to hear it. Was it produced pretty well and everything? Yeah, it sounded pretty good. Okay. Yeah, I'll check it out. And I didn't mean to sound like, you know, social rebellion is a bad idea because like a waste of time. I mean, by all means, people should be aware of this and should be more and more aware of it. I mean, it's a shame. Which is, by the way, it's a great fucking name, Confessor. Like, really. I mean, these guys, I'd be curious to read their lyrics and shit. You know, one of their songs is I Am Your God Now.

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Oh shit. Whoops. And I think that's what they're getting a blasphemy charge on. So not a whole lot of defense for that. And their big hit, Pictures of Muhammad. Yeah, he's on their album cover. That's right. On their album cover. What? Yeah. Not really. I mean, it's terrible. That's terrible. Yeah, that's fucked up. And you know, it's funny because like I'm sure a lot of people do, you know, you say the word I ran, my sphincter tightens up, my heartbeat races a little bit, and I just

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I just kind of snarl a little bit because I'm like fuck Iran but as soon as you say heavy metal band from Iran I'm on their team I'm like fighting for them you know I mean oh because now they're brothers I I don't care if they're from Iran if they're in a heavy metal band then there's something that I stand for and unless there's the unlikely event that their lyrics are their heavy metal band singing about blow up the United States or something you know it's pretty unlikely so highly unlikely yeah so I'm almost positive that I'm like all right I'm behind

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these guys because you know i am too i mean i saw their picture and they look like

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they're emulating some of what they've seen come from the west which means they probably

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emulate the ideals from the west which means i mean what can these guys even fucking play you know i'm

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i mean how frustrating must that be you know we complain about shitty sound these fuckers if they

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have a show would have to do it in secret which is not easy with heavy metal because i bet that sound

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sucks even worse i bet it does dude underground takes on a whole new meaning yeah could you fucking

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Can you imagine secret hidden show sound? Yeah. With God knows what kind of equipment. Exactly. Oh, jeez. Yeah. I feel like having a heavy metal show in Cuba, you know, I mean, where they piece together their cars with vacuum parts. I mean, it's just God knows what kind of. Exactly. Jeez. It's like a heavy metal speakeasy. You have to walk up and knock on a door and the little eyepiece slides back and you have to give the password, Mr. Iomi is in the house. Yeah. Swordfish. Yeah. And then they let you in and.

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You can see the show. It's crazy. Yeah, it's a fucked up story, dude. It's just a fucking ray of sunshine today. Yeah, well, I'm going to keep that rolling down that way. The next thing, and I hate to bring it up because, to be perfectly honest, I'm fucking tired of talking about it, but I figure we got to at least touch on it, and that's Phil Anselmo and his white power salute. Okay, I'm more interested in what Buick has to say about this than either of us other two, but I will just say one thing and one thing only, which is, it may be tasteless, but I figure

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He was joking. Yeah, I agree. I'm going to throw my two cents in before Buke goes at it as well. Aside from the fact that I'm tired of hearing about it, you know, if you know Phil Anselmo at all, he doesn't take things. I mean, he takes his music seriously, but he doesn't take anything else particularly seriously. Yeah, I don't have a doubt that he was just drunk and fucking around. Yeah, and that doesn't make it right by any means, but that doesn't necessarily mean there was intent to be awful either. Just me

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that he's a stupid drunk and he did something stupid and should he apologize yeah he should apologize but it should this like be the end of his career and and people railing on about it i don't think so i think people are blowing it out of proportion uh because you know whatever you know you will hear in the theories interview uh the guys were saying what more what do you what do you want and this is at the society we live in an apology isn't good enough anymore

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They want blood. What is he supposed to fucking do? That's a great fucking point, but please continue. Phil Anselmo is a drunk, okay? Is Phil going to come on stage goose-stepping, you know, saying down with Jews? He's just a drunk. I think it's nothing more than that. It wasn't a tasteless thing to do given the climate today, but there's nothing more

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to it. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like he's secretly organizing Ku Klux Klan rallies or anything like that. No. And the overwhelming response in a lot of cases from fairly famous musicians in the metal world has been startling to me. It seems to me like answering a pea shooter with a fucking cannon. And none of us judging what he did. But I agree with Buke. Can you not fucking apologize anymore? I mean, what the fuck? What is he supposed to do next? What happens after I'm sorry?

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And I have to say, it seemed like a pretty heartfelt apology to me. He made two of them. Yeah, I mean, if you're taking this so seriously, does that mean you take other things he says seriously? I don't take anything he says seriously without a grain or two of salt. Good point. You know, I mean, he's talking out his ass half the time anyway. So, you know, was it stupid? Yes. And the thing that gets me to no disrespect to Phil or any musician, he's just Phil Anselmo. He's a fucking singer.

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This is not like President Obama finished a speech the other day and ends it and says, black power. He's a fucking heavy metal singer. He contributes, aside from playing music that people enjoy, nothing. And he would probably be the first one to tell you that. Go ahead, George. And he supposedly told the members of Down to move on without him. I'm like, man, he shouldn't have to quit his band over this.

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Yes. Should he apologize? Yes. Okay, he did. Let's move on. End of story. Stop talking about it. Agreed. Agreed. And I, it's just, it has been weird. This, because if you, if I, when I read that news story, I never imagined that the response would be what it was. You know, and the world is somewhat predictable, but I didn't know that Scotty in and fucking, you know, Rob Flynn and all these people were going to, and Zach, while everybody's being asked about it in interviews and what the fuck, that's bizarre. It's one thing. If somebody asks you about it and you, you know, you,

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Obviously, if whatever metal news agency asks you, what do you think of the Phil Anselmo thing, you have to at least voice disapproval. Otherwise, you're going to get thrown into the same ring that he's in. But for people like Rob Flynn, and Rob Flynn was there, so I can't knock Rob for having an opinion and an extreme opinion at that. But for people that weren't there to come out of the woodwork and damn him,

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on their own, I'm not really into that. You know, I have to say, too, I feel I'm glad we got to see it because to me it did seem like he was just joking. But that stated this would be a whole different fucking story if there had been no camera present. You know what I mean? You still could have read about it and it would not be reacted to in the same way that it is now. No. It's one of those things that the Internet is just fucked up about everything. So I will say this. And reprehensible, sure. A joke, I believe. Phil, from my part, apology accepted, brother. I look at it.

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I don't agree with what he did. I don't agree if anybody does that. Bigotry, hatred towards anybody, gender, race, anything. I don't have time for any of that. But with that said, it was just a stupid, and some people could say, oh, he was joking around. Hey, I'm a guy, I like dark humor. I'm not saying what Phil did was dark humor and I found it funny.

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But come on people. It was just a stupid mistake. Yeah. People are so excitable, man. So again, I say for all of us, none of us, and no one in the music world is saying, no, Phil should be able to say white power, and the next album is white power, white power. Nothing even like that. My problem is with a lot of apologies. We have to see this day and age. If it's a celebrity of any status,

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The apology is never good enough. Yep. And it's not our place to crucify these people. If a hockey player cheats on his spouse, they're having to come before the media multiple times. Yep. Oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm going to this and this. Just say you're sorry. It takes a lot for people to say sorry. Knowing Phil and his personality, that probably took a lot. Yep. You know what else? Go ahead. I'm just going to say, like, we're all so fucking clean. It's so easy. I mean, that's the, I have, I have the wonderful privilege of making

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my most hideous mistakes without an audience of that size. You know, this reminds me of something else that happened recently, and that's the Super Bowl. And after the Super Bowl, Cam Newton was obviously not happy with losing. And he was at a press conference where he was just giving short, terse, unhappy, grumpy answers. And then at the end of the interview, he just got up and walked off. And he's been getting a lot of shit about that. And everybody's like, oh, he needs to apologize, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, you know, I watched the interview, and was he

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being kind of a dick. Yeah, he kind of was. He needs to put his big boy pants on and behave a little more professionally. But at the same time, he just came off in a fucking incredible season and lost to a team with no offense in the Super Bowl. So I am not going to fault the guy for being pissed off. Sure. But people are just fucking riding him about this. It's like, man, just fucking let it go. Yeah, it was Wednesday or Thursday or Friday, whatever day it was. Just shit happens, dude. We're all different.

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We're all a little different every day. None of these little acts define who we are, you know, definitively, like in this fucking grand universal sense. I would not just base simply on the small or large, if you see it that way, thing. I have to say, I didn't walk away from that thinking, Phil's a racist. I walked away thinking, Phil makes some dumb fucking jokes. Yeah. And there you go. And there you go. And he apologized and shit, man, shit. Fuck, shit happens. You know, I probably told a couple Holocaust jokes in my time. Yeah. I just didn't do it in the final 20,000 people.

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or however many people were there. And I'm sure I told them and me and my friends were like, ooh, that's bad. You know what I mean? It's just the way you do shit like that. Sometimes a joke is funny by just how wrong it is. Exactly. It's not so much the guts of the joke that's funny. It's the how wrong it is. I make jokes like that not of an offensive nature to my wife, but just I take something and say something that's obviously such a wrong situation.

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And she just stares at me and doesn't get it and thinks I'm a complete moron. But I get the telling of a joke that is clearly inappropriate, but it's the inappropriateness that's funny, not the content of the joke. Speaking of that, I made up my own Helen Keller joke, and I think this would be a perfect way to wrap up this conversation. And so I'm going to tell it to you, George, because it's a knock-knock joke and it requires one person. So here we go. It's my own original Helen Keller joke. Knock-knock. Who's there?

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That's the whole joke. I said, who's there? God damn it. Yes. So speaking of the Super Bowl, did anybody watch Metallica's The Night Before, which was streaming online? No, I did not. I fast forwarded through it. Let's put it that way. Yeah. It was on a little late for me. I don't think it started until like 11 o'clock on the East Coast. I watched it like the next day it was streaming and I kind of just, I literally moved the cursor over, over, over. I mean, once you've seen one,

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I think it's interesting because

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Metallica had been petitioning for the last year to try and get on the

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halftime show for Super Bowl 50 and of course it was Coldplay

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that lip synced on last Sunday

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and Metallica is probably not used to not getting what they want

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and so they're like fuck you we're going to play the night before the Super Bowl

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and our Super Bowl show is going to be better

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Well, I think it was an NFL-sanctioned event, though, too. I think it was set up in conjunction with the NFL because they actually had an NFL 50 logo to it. And since I live here and the Super Bowl was here this year, consistently they had in the paper all these concerts that were being set up that you could go see because there was a lot more going on than just Beyonce and stuff. There's a lot of famous musicians and people here. And so actually I say with 100% certainty it was actually done in conjunction.

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I think the Super Bowl, like NFL probably not only sponsored the event, but probably set it up, paid for the promo, everything, you know. Well, it's still unlikely that they're ever going to play the actual Super Bowl. And I'm basing that solely on the fact that James Hetfield said that he doesn't think they'll ever get to play it. Well, and if they can't play, if they're not going to play the one in their hometown, no, not going to happen. I mean, that was why people were petitioning, because they all live here. Yeah, I'm curious how it would have turned out had they been doing it, because it's well

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Well known, particularly after I think it was the Chili Peppers. Did they play it? Like Aerosmith. Yeah, they probably did. A couple years ago, there was a rock band that played and it was glaringly obvious that it was lip sync because the guitars weren't even plugged into anything, not even to a wireless or anything. And I think it was sort of their fuck you because they weren't letting them play live because it's the Super Bowl. You can't play live. You have to lip sync because all the moving parts, it's just not possible. And I want to know if Metallica did play the

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the Super Bowl, would they lip-sync, or would they be like, we're Metallica, we're fucking playing? And on the flip side of that, is Metallica never going to play the Super Bowl because they will refuse to unplug? That's highly possible, because they are big enough and popular enough. Certainly the NFL don't have a blacklist of them as a metal band. I think they're probably higher up on more football fans' list than Coldplay or Beyoncé. Way higher. As a band who would much more commonly

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have their stuff played over the speakers in between plays. You know? Yeah. Pump up the crowd. Yeah, not that football fans are of a type, but I think there's probably more football fans that are Metallica fans than Beyonce fans. Just saying. Well, you guys go to Caps games. They play Metallica at the Caps games, Duke. Yeah. Occasionally, they'll play something. I haven't heard. They play other metal. They don't play them. Yeah. They do play metal, though. I've heard them at something. I mean, the Sharks fucking come out to Metallica. They come out to Seek and Destroy. And both the Sharks and the Giants have

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Yearly Metallica Day now, where one of the games is Metallica-themed, and they sell jerseys with Metallica on them, and the band comes and drops the puck or throws out the first pitch or plays the national anthem. I mean, it's not like they're untouchable to these big sports places. But I wonder, that's a pretty solid theory, George, or wonderment about the possible lip-sync. I do know in the case of lip-syncing, sometimes I've noticed, having watched halftime shows myself, that they will record a live version of it, but they still lip-sync. They're not playing off the record.

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I slightly understand the need for it in this situation. They don't have time to set up all... They've got to be in and out in like 20 minutes. Yeah. And there's just... You can't sound check it. You can't do it. So, I mean, I kind of understand it. It's still lame because fuck lip syncing. But it doesn't lend itself... I will say this. It doesn't lend itself to choreography and dancers and a big to-do. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying it should. But that might be another reason.

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their reticent to have a band like that. I mean, I saw Sammy Hagar after a Washington

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Nationals baseball game. They fucking rolled him out on a fucking portable stage with portable sound,

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and he was out there in like 10 minutes and fucking tore that place up and sounded amazing. However, it did take like 10 minutes to get out there and get set up, and maybe they didn't have time for that. But still, it's possible. But then when you add all the choreography and all the stuff that's going on, it's just a logistical nightmare. I get that.

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Yeah, but also it would be weird to have a whole bunch of dancers to Metallica. They also played at least once and maybe a couple of times. They did pre-show concerts in the parking lot at a Raiders game. Yeah, I've heard about that. Yeah. So they're not still kind of friends. Go ahead. No, go ahead. So they're not, you know, unfriendly to the NFL, but who knows? Yeah, that night before the show, I could see the fireworks from my house. Sweet. Because they had fireworks.

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Yeah, I just want to say that while the game was going on, they would show shots of the Golden Gate Bridge and stuff like that. And I told my family, look, I can see Jay's house. Yeah, and we were too, because when we watched, I didn't watch the whole game, but in between they were showing just lovely sort of scenes from around the Bay Area. And we were like, no way, Point Reyes. Some of our favorite places to go are really beautiful places, and they showed them. And I can, indeed, I was telling George to see the Golden Gate Bridge from my street.

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So while I may not have been in that shot, there was still a version of my aura. Yes. Another bit of Metallica news. Apparently Metallica were featured on the Showtime show Billions. I've only watched the first episode of this show because it's got the dude from Homeland on there. I forget his name, but the red-haired guy that was... Yeah, anyway. But it was a pretty good show, and I'm looking forward to understanding why Metallica would be on this show because it's like about Wall Street,

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and crime and stuff like that. So I don't know how Metallica fits into that. Me either, too. I've never seen the show myself. But I saw this story as well. So we'll see. I'm wondering if it's like they've got some sort of corporate partnership with somebody or something. You know what I mean? If the dude hires Metallica to play a birthday party or something. It could be that, too. Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's something like that, like the Wu-Tang Clan thing, you know. Two million dollars for the recorded Metallica album nobody gets to hear. Yeah. It's a new show. I think there's only like four episodes so far. I've only watched

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the first one but i'll report back once i get to that one cool so at this year's

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nom show the national association of music merchants gary holt and i put it here in the chat for

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you guys to see revealed a guitar that is fucking badass made entirely sorry painted entirely in his blood the first time a guitar has ever been painted in an artist's blood uh last year before a show the artist who does a lot of work

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"Blood" took 18 vials of his blood. Good lord that's a lot of blood. And if you go you could do a search of it. It's a freaking wicked looking piece. Did you see a picture of it sitting there in the chair? Yeah. He you know I yeah and he has a signature guitar that ESP I believe put out that is blood themed already he had his yeah which I was kind of thinking of buying one of his guitars because they look really nice but I had seen this too and it's a perfect fucking Gary Holt you know

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what he um i'm trying to think of carrie king frequently says gary holt to him as the glenn tipton of of metal right now which is he's kind of this slightly underappreciated guy but he's fucking amazing he's a great guitar player he's a kick-ass dude he seems pretty like a nice guy to me i like gary holt so it's cool that he's kind of getting this visibility in slayer now too where he gets to do things like this you uh speaking about guitars you you loyal to any certain brand jay less and less so mostly gibson but um i've kind of been going a little farther afield these days i think that

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That was some weird Jimmy Page, hardcore fucking thing I had for a long time. But these days, you can find a lot of good ones, dude. So I'm actually, I've spread my wings a little more these days. But I just bought a PRS, so it's still in storage. That's a Paul Reed Smith, by the way. Yeah, Paul Reed Smith. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what Mike of Opeth uses. That's correct. And the guitar that I purchased is called a Starla, and it's not too dissimilar looking than that. You've certainly seen that. Do yours have birds on it, too? It does, yeah. I haven't got it yet. I get it next week. Doesn't make a difference.

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It can't, but the birds make you sound a little better. Okay. George, next story. All right. So Anvil has released a lyric video for the song Die for a Lie from their forthcoming Anvil is Anvil album. I gave this a listen and, you know, it's Anvil. That's not meant to be derogatory. What I mean by that inflection is that Anvil,

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has pretty much been Anvil for 30 years. It's kind of like Manowar. You know what you're going to get. Yeah, I listen to it, and it's Anvil. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not freaking a masterpiece or anything like that, but if you like Anvil, you ought to like it, because it's more of the same. It's not bad. If it comes on the radio, I will turn it up and bang my head a little. Well, much more interesting than this, with all due respect to the band, George jumped on the crowdfunding for this very record,

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And you kind of got some cool stuff in the mail the other day. I did. I backed this album, Anvil is Anvil, and I did two different, I don't know what you'd call it, two different funding options. The first one got me a printed out set list from one of their shows with the Anvil logo at the top, and it was signed by all three band members. But even more cool than that is I got a handwritten lyric sheet for the song Metal on Metal.

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Handwritten by Lips and also signed by all three band members. And I'm going to frame both of those and put them up here in the podcast studio. Fuck yeah, dude. That is a... I presume you'll get a copy of the record, too. Yeah, probably. I think that is one of the... Knowing crowdfunded, you've got to pay another $10 for that. No, I'm pretty sure it comes with it. It just hasn't come out yet, so I haven't gotten it. But that's neat. That's neat. I mean, so much better than pay $5,000 to meet Dave Mustaine, you know? Yeah, I like cool stuff like that. I don't care so much.

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about, you know, I mean, it's like, okay, you know, you pay 10 bucks and get the album. Okay, well, that's, that's essentially the same as buying it, except you're helping the band out ahead of time. But when you have like more, what do they call those things? Not prizes, but incentives, you know, for more money, I like the ones that are stuff you're not going to find at the store or online any given day of the week, something like this, that's a little more personal, that kind of stuff. I will fucking,

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I'll just throw money at you. Yeah, me too. You know, I just ordered, I was talking to George this week, and I'm kind of having a rehash of Hyrex. It's a, I think, an underrated band from the Los Angeles area, early metal blade band. And in any case, and I kind of went to their webpage, which I'd never been to, and for those of you guys who don't know, Hyrex is a band with a black lead singer, his name's Caton DePena, and I do point out that he's black, because that was kind of weird in the 80s, it was a little bit, you know, unique. Still, still,

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It's still kind of unique. And they're just a really cool band. In any case, I ordered a t-shirt from them recently. One of the things that says on their merch page, which I imagine he handles personally, says every order comes with some special surprises. So I'm looking forward to seeing what he might have signed and thrown in there or something. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Speaking of that, last year at some point, a band that I'm fond of, and of course we know Will is fond of, King Giant, they did a Kickstarter or something along those lines.

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They tried. Kickstarter failed. Yeah. To do a vinyl of their last album, Black Ocean Waves. And I, of course, kicked in my money to get the beer-colored vinyl. And as Buke just pointed out, that Kickstarter didn't get funded. So I'm happy to say that they found a Greek record label that I guess would front the money to do this. And this past week, the pre-orders went on sale.

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colored vinyl. I did not buy it myself. Because I have a problem. You first try and get money from me to get it. When that doesn't work, you still go ahead and print the damn thing anyway? No, no, no. I personally have a problem with that. They had to go and find somebody to give them money to do it as a thing. But you know what? You gladly would have taken my money for it. Went ahead and did it anyway. Well, yeah, but it came out like...

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Take your sympathy record and fucking spin it. I will, goddammit. I did kick in on the Kickstarter too. And not for the same reasons, but I didn't buy the either of you when they made that announcement recently. So I did kick in. I was a little more inclined to buy in when I felt like I was taking part in something, helping out with something. But they had to go to Greece to find somebody to do this. That's where most records are being produced now. That's true. Because over here,

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over here in the states uh i think the one or two that are left are just so uh on backorder the greek labels are picking up a lot of people dude wow um saw fag was on a greek label for quite a while um but i i i didn't necessarily think there was anything wrong with him trying to find another way to put it out but i was more interested in it when i felt like i had something to do with it right not being not being the hugest fan of theirs though i do have that record and i like it and i did order the beer beer vinyl too i was disappointed when that failed and i don't even think they got that close if i remember right no they weren't even close at all

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Speaking of other pre-orders, just a couple hours ago, Earache released the pre-order for the third brand new Vector album. I believe it's called Termination Redux. And I ordered the limited to 100 copies purple vinyl signed by the band with a patch or something. Very cool. So I heard the new song from the album, and it's pretty badass. Okay, cool. Moving on. Testament has announced that they have a tentative album title for their new album, and it's called

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The Brotherhood of the Snake. And apparently it's going to be really fast, as we've heard. Like throughout, apparently, or at least intermittently. There was some interview recently, it must be. I think it was where this title came from, and it just sounds like it's a real fucking thrash album. Yeah. So, we'll see. You guys know, you probably do, that Chuck Billy has a management company now, and he's Exodus's manager. Yeah, yeah, I heard that. Yeah, I have nothing to add to that except to say that that's something he's doing. I'll be interested to hear it. I'm not,

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I have never been a hugest testament fan though I like them well enough I thought their last two records were both high quality records that's some pretty good comeback material that they're putting out these days well produced well played I like Alex Skolnick he's a great player yeah so I'll be looking forward to this and they both have great covers too by the way cool cover under both of them nice so there's a band called all hail the yeti and I picked up their last album which I believe was self-titled like a year or two ago and kind of dug it it was

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kind of like a sludgy American, I think American metal band. And back in like November, December, I heard that they were finally going to release that album on Bandcamp. And I know that a listener friend of ours, Greg, was like, all like, you know, wow, these guys are awesome. I'm sorry. That's right. No, I remember now when Greg brought this up. Yeah. And I was like, I know these guys. And, you know, I dug what they did. And, but then they kind of pissed in my Cheerios, because they were supposed to be reissued.

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the album on Bandcamp so I could get it in the FLAC file. And it was supposed to be out, I think, sometime in December, like mid-December. And it was all set up, you know, pre-order. And it was like December, I'm just going to say December 18th. I don't know if that's correct. But let's say December 18th came and it still said pre-order. And January came and it still said pre-order. And February came and it still said pre-order. And I'm like, fuck you. If you're going to put out a release date, fucking release the goddamn album. If I'd actually pre-ordered it, I'd have been pissed.

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that it didn't come out. And so now there's this press release that came out the other day that they've got a new album coming out. And it's called Screams from a Black Wilderness. And it's supposed to be out in April. Now you can pre-order this one. And I was like, why would I pre-order this? You haven't even filled the pre-order from the last one yet. And two days ago, when I started writing the script for this show, it was still on pre-order. I just now pulled it up and it is now available. So sometime in the last two days, you can now get

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that album. Is it just me or do we need to get these guys on a tour with Trog on the Night? Yeah. So I'm kind of torn right now because I'm excited about the new album, but I'm also kind of like fuck you for stringing me along for three months. You're mad at them. So I'm announcing their album. That's sort of a plus for them. I don't know. I think they're going to have to really wow me with this album for me to buy it. You know, I'm going to kind of switch gears here just because I just remembered a new story that I wanted to mention. And I know you probably

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you guys have heard about it but I'm really excited about it which is rare because

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there's not much Metallica stuff that comes out that I get excited about but there is a new book coming out about the making of Master of Puppets and they had on one of the websites the other day they had some pages from it and it looks fucking killer dude it's just all photos from that era telling stories how the album was made it's authorized so it's going to be the real deal you know and arguably one of the more important metal albums last 30 years 30 years so anyway that's something that could have gone into new releases or news but I'm going to fucking pre-ordered

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to that son of a bitch man i'll probably get that too i mean shit this is 30 years for master puppets this year yep there you go which is probably why they're doing it it's i mean it's the same guy who did he did some book on jaws and it was like this exhaustive book on the movie jaws and it's just like a real picture heavy book but with plenty of text anyway heads up all righty so apparently nurdle from behemoth is putting the finishing touches on a side project album that's going to be like a blues country folk thing which has me very curious

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He is obviously not metal so you know who knows I don't know maybe he's been hanging out with Devin Townsend I don't know or David Vincent yeah that's true maybe they guys these guys should form a band yeah I saw this too I just assumed that they you know I I was talking to Buke about Behemoth a while back and I there are two things that I can say about Behemoth one is I like him I think as much as the next guy but also not unlike Buke I also consider them a strangely somewhat overrated band as weird as that sounds

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I mean I don't know why people freak out about them like they do I do think the

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Satanist is a really addictive record and I have more than one of their records and I think they're great but

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did you read Confessions of a Heretic no I have that book the devil's conquistadors and I haven't read I

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haven't opened that yet because I've been reading other stuff did you read it I read Confessions of a

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Heretic and it wasn't laid out in like book form it was basically one long interview that's kind of

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what I think Devil's Conquistadors is too a little bit. And so it was interesting but not quite what I was expecting. I do love them. I mean I have to say like I was just listening to the Satanist last week and I had it in I listened to like three times the last week. It's a great record but yeah and I don't even know why I threw that out there. This is I won't be in a race to listen to this. He also like owns a barbershop in Warsaw or something like that and it's not like a metal themed barbershop or anything which is fine but it's something maybe he's trying to diversify. That's one of these ways these guys

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do make an okay living.

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You know,

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because they got to have something to fall back on eventually.

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Not the country music,

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but yeah,

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the barbershop and the beer.

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I'm just joking.

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They probably don't make any money off that beer.

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So this past week,

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it came to light that apparently Izzy Stradlin is going to have some

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limited role in the upcoming Guns N' Roses reunion shows.

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I'm not sure what limited role means.

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If that means he's only going to play on some of the shows or if he's going

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to play on all of the shows,

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but only for like a couple of songs,

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you know,

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If I had to pick a favorite member of Guns N' Roses, and it wasn't Slash because I love Slash, it would be Izzy. I think Izzy's like a badass, and you can't have a reunion without Izzy. Well, they were also just this kind of classic. If you really go back and listen to the Appetite for Destruction, the way the record, the way those two guitar players play off of each other is really cool, you know? Izzy Stradlin who, by the way, is my joke. Yeah. Well, you know, he did that. Izzy Stradlin and the Juju Hounds. That's right, yeah. I got some of those, like, cassettes or CDs, probably cassettes.

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Sets still lying around somewhere vaguely attached to that story was a hint of an idea that that the drummer might also get involved in a limited capacity I haven't heard that yet yeah it was Steven Adler nice yeah we'll see he um they um I wonder if this is all really coming about because of the pressure because people really are like this is not a fucking reunion yeah yeah and I wonder if they're not booking the shows as fast as they'd hoped you know because they are they were asking a big bill they were asking like four million dollars per show or some crazy

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Yeah, it was something like that. I can't remember, but it's in the millions. Wow. So some more big news this week. Last year, Skeleton Witch parted ways with singer Chance for different reasons, probably related to substance abuse. And they've been teasing us with not announcing the name of their new singer, but they've started working on new material. And they're getting ready to, they just finished work on a new EP. And this past week, they finally announced that the new singer is Adam Clemens,

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from Wolfhammer. Now, I've been wondering, is this going to be somebody, you know, known like Adam? Or is it going to be some unknown? And I got to say, if you're going to replace Chance, Adam from Wolfhammer is a fucking brilliant choice. My only concern is that I hope Adam is still with Wolfhammer because I really like Wolfhammer. I do too. They made my end of year list a couple years back. Yeah. Their last album. Yeah. Crawling something, right? Something into the Black Sun. Yeah. Crawling into the Black Sun. It was just a phenomenal,

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I love it was awesome so I hope this doesn't mean the end or at least his end with that band but at the same time there hasn't been any announcements to that end or anything though it has there obviously I mean you're just yeah no sort of like when Eddie left all shall perish to be with Suicide Silence you know Bukes like what's up with all shall perish now I'm like what's up with Wolfhammer because well what they when was when did that last record come out the Wolfhammer one years ago yeah two years ago okay so I'm I'm really excited

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to hear what skeleton witch is going to sound like with him. That's awesome. I just hope it's not to the detriment of Wolfhammer. Yeah, it's not clear if he was looking for a new job or if I was looking for a side job. George, you know what, boy, we're really mistaken. Clawing into Black Sun was 2014. Yeah, two years ago. It just doesn't feel like two years ago yet because it's still early. Well, we'll see. That also means we'll get to see him, for those of us who are going on the upcoming tour, because they're part of the ABAP.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a killer. I'd say a bath, skeleton, witch, high and fire and tribulation. Um, so we'll find out. We'll see what the, what that's like. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. And the EP will presumably be out by then. Presumably. Yeah. Hard to say. You're going to get this last one, Jay. I do. I, you know, this is not something that you, I would have thought I would have been really excited about, but ace freely just is about to release a, an album of covers. And I, you know, I'd listen to snippets of his last record and I was like, Oh God, you know, it was just almost unlivable. I thought, but that's dated. They, they,

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They're streaming a version, his version of White Room by Cream. If you know that song, it's a very popular classic rock song. It's on the radio quite a bit on classic rock stations. And it's really good. I mean, it's a really solid, kick-ass cover. So while I'm not going to race up and buy this record, I'll be interested to see what the rest of it sounds like. They also show really cool stuff, too. There's a free song on there that Paul Stanley sings on. I have to look. A couple of things were real heavy songs. I'll have to look at it again. Paul Stanley sings on one? That's interesting.

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Interesting. He sings on just the free song. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So it's called Origins Volume 1 and it's coming out on April 15th. And after you told me about this, I went and listened to the White Room cover and I was pretty impressed by that. I mean, it's good, right? I mean, it's not going to change your life, but it's kind of an accurate, heavier version of it. Yeah. It's like a lot of times you hear a cover version of a song and it's just not as like full and rich as the original. For example, anything on the last Dan's

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covers album but this is a really like full and rich sounding cover of of white room and i like you said it's like wow it's like up there with the original it's really good i think you said it better than i could have because that's a really layered thick song and um and it's like all the layers are there yeah it strikes me as a hard song to cover i mean get right if i hadn't been paying attention i would have thought it was the original because they're all the keyboards and everything are there you know uh it's just it sounded really good so way to go ace

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Yeah, good for you. Hats off. I doubt that even when the record comes out, even if the rest of the songs are that good, I doubt it's anything I'd listen to a lot. But yeah, that's something of note as a kind of closet Kiss fan as a kid. Not even closet Kiss fan as a kid, but you know what I mean. Yeah, I know Bukes not going to have an answer to this one because he's not a Kiss fan, but who's your favorite member of the original Kiss? Paul Stanley. Really? I'm ace. You're an ace man. I like ace. Yeah, I really thought Paul, even up until the 90s and stuff, was just one of the premier rock singers.

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And he sang all the songs I liked the most. And it was cute and sexy. I liked the Freely's Comet that he put out with Rock Soldiers. Yep, that's a good record. That was a good tune. And a good album. And I think he and Paul Stanley's, the solo records, the Kiss solo records, those are the two best records. Yeah, man, that had like, what's on there, Back in the New York Groove? Yeah, and Speeding Back to My Baby. Yeah, good album. Snowblind and Ozone. Dave Grohl covers one of those songs. It's either Snowblind or Ozone. It's like a B-side to a Foo Fighters.

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that I heard online sometimes. Right on. Alright, let's get into some new releases. The first one this week is one that I cannot sell to you enough. This is the new Flesh God Apocalypse and their album King. I think you can credit me for kind of looking out for it. Yeah, when this was announced to come out,

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Buk says to me, hey, if there's a promo for it, please send it my way. So I was like, all right. I mean, I think we've talked about it in the past, but I was a fan of Flesh God Apocalypse on their first couple albums. I'm trying to think of some of the albums right now that the last one I really liked. I think Agony and the one before that were the ones that I liked. And they kind of just sort of dropped off my radar for like two albums, one or two albums. Oracles was the last one that I really liked.

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And so when Buke said he wanted me to look out for it, when the promo came out from the label, I grabbed it and I sent it off to him and I decided to give it a listen. And holy shit! I always know when George likes something, when his text messages are just like the way he just sounded there. Yeah. I get excited and I'm just like firing off messages a mile a minute like, oh my god, you need to listen to this now! Oh my fucking god! I think it's the 2016

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podcast record right now because I'm I spun it all week long oh yeah I love it I'm definitely this is definitely this isn't mine mine's mine's coming yeah until the Thross and Blot album comes out assuming it is released this year hint hint Joel uh you know until that time Flesh God Apocalypse is definitely like fucking nailed down in place in my number one spot because this album is so amazing it covers so many areas you know before they were just a technical death metal band but

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Now they've got orchestral elements, they've got clean vocals that are like power metal. It sounds like Machine Head sometimes. Yeah, and then there's the operatic track. It is such a diverse album and so just like different than everything else. I just absolutely love it. And it's engaging too. I mean, it's like the riffs are cool. There's cool hooks on it. I couldn't agree more. When you freaked out about it, I was like, okay, I'll grab it. It was in the box. I downloaded it. It is the 2016 release that I have spun more than any other.

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so far. Which is not saying a lot necessarily in the air enough to pick on it. And it's also got a variety of addictiveness to it. I'll put it on quite a bit. Yeah, I mean, pretty much whatever you want, it's on there. It's on there. Yeah. And right now, like when I'm in the car and I can't think of anything else to put on, that's my go-to record right now. Yeah, me too. Highly recommend it. And then there's this next one that I'm sure Buick is just piddling himself over because he's been waiting for it for so long. This is the new Obscura album, Acroasis. Yeah. This,

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I found these guys a couple years ago, but then I forgot about them. We saw them on the, I think it was the Children of Bodom tour with Devin Townsend and Obscura and Septic Flesh. What brought my attention back was Alkaloid. And I started really listening to Obscura. And that was right at the time when my love of everything tech death took off to a fever pitch.

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It's a masterpiece of an album. I don't think I've used that word on the pod. This is a masterpiece, stamp it on the label album. Is it a promo? Yes, we do. It's a promo, okay. George, say what you always say. It's in the box. It's in the box. It's been in the box. Yeah, this is definitely another good album from them. I'm still going to have to go on record and say I like Alkaloid better.

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But that's just because it's a different kind of tech death. Yeah. This is still an incredibly awesome tech death album and I don't want to take anything away from it. I'll start listening today. Amazing. Absolutely. It's just it's playing like when I describe seeing revocation live. You know Dave and his playing and the guys from Obscura. I have no clue how to play a damn guitar. But when I sit back and I hear this stuff I'm just mouth agape. I look like a large mouth bass.

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I'm just blown away by this. Yeah, it's like a whole other thing. There's like guitar playing and then there's like this. I mean, I haven't heard this record yet, but I know Obscura and I know Alkaloid and just the Tech Def guys. Yeah, it's some other strange. It's like a guitar engineer or something. I don't know what the fuck. And also, don't forget the vocalist, Stefan, is in Thul Chandra, George. Yes, I'm a big fan of Thul Chandra. And they'll be at Death Fest, so yes! Yep. I totally forgot that he was in that. Yeah, Thul Chandra's more of like a

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Dissection Worship kind of thing. That's badass. George, I mean, Buke has been mentioned in this record for a while, so I'm glad it lived up to your expectations. 100%. 100%. Cool. Moving on to one that I'm guessing nobody has listened to is the new Rhapsody of Fire album, Into the Legend. Insert crickets. I think that from now on, you should say Rhapsody, and we should, in union, say Of Fire. Yeah, I never thought I would get to this point with this band, George. Me neither. I don't even know which one,

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this is the Fabio one? It must be because it doesn't say Luca anywhere. Oh, yeah. Luca is not in this. It's Luca Torilla's Rhapsody. Yeah. So this must be the Fabio one. I don't even know because once the split happened, I stopped caring. Yes, this is the Fabio one. Okay, moving on. This next one is pretty badass. I can attest to that. This is the new album from Seven Sisters of Sleep and it's Ezekiel's Hags. I got to know these guys last

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Last year, I found them on the Bandcamp page for that local label that Noisim is on. It's like A389 or something like that. And so I picked up one of their previous albums and it was cool. It's Sludge, it's heavy. This new album, though, is pretty fucking awesome. In fact, DC Heavy Metal Chris even mentioned it as his current album of the year. So you should definitely check this out. It is pretty awesome. I would call it Sludge with a slightly more post-metal hardcore vocal to it, like Think Isis or something like that.

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Maybe a little bit of Pig Destroyer type vocal in it. Yeah, the one thing that I'm not as thrilled about from this band is the fact that his vocals are obviously affected. It's not death metal vocals that you can just go... He's yelling with some sort of filter on there, and I hate it when people do that. But the fact is, despite that, it's still a really good album. I'd like to see them move away from that. But I am totally on board with you.

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about that the one thing that sort of detracted from me on this is the vocals i've listened to it a couple times and it came into my view in a really weird way and it was some band i think a band i like featured it on their facebook page and i was like okay i'll go check that out because i didn't have their first record like you did um they're on relapse so it's probably somebody else on relapse but in any case all that's stated i recommend it as well i mean i don't like to not recommend a band based on their vocals because some people might find certain things more palatable than me i thought it was this

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This particular vocal and mix with their style is a little funny for me. But I'm going to keep spinning it because I like it enough to try to buy into it. And I've had success in the past with records like that where I'll be like, fuck it, I'll just keep going until this makes sense to me. Yeah, the music is just really interesting. It's heavy and it's sludgy, but there's... Some fucking grind in there too, dude. I mean, it's all over the place. And there's just these shifting patterns of like, oh. There's like, you know, the more you listen, the more you hear kind of thing. And it's like, oh.

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I can see why this would be an album of the year. Exactly. It's not like the Flesh God record, but it's kind of in its way all over the map, too. Suddenly, they'll just take off like a rocket. It's cool. People should be checking these guys out without question. Our small caveats are small caveats. Next up is the band Eight Bells and their new album, Landless. I got behind this one when I found out that the new drummer on this album is Ray from Immortal Bird and Thrasenblatt. And the album does not disappoint. It is fucking cool.

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I'm at a loss to how to describe it. So just go give it a listen. It's up on Bandcamp. Check it out. I'm sure you'll like it. Unless you don't. And the last new release is one that I've been waiting for. This is the new Rotting Christ album, Rituals. And yeah, as expected, it's pretty cool. I've only been through it once so far. And it's got a very, you know, they're a Greek band. And so right off the bat, this music makes me think of like Greek,

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Centurions. Oh, right on. Sort of like lined up and like stomping their like spears into the ground and batting on their shields and just fucking chanting and getting into this music. And I don't know. That's a dumb description, but that's what comes to mind. And it's cool. I like it. So give it a listen. Were these the guys that down in Florida recently, there was a cross, there was this incident at a show where there was... No, that was... Impaled Nazarene, maybe. No, it wasn't Impaled Nazarene.

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It was Vital Remains. Okay. All right. Yeah. But they've gotten kicked off of a tour by Dave Mustaine before. That's correct. I remember that. Yeah. Dave Mustaine was like, he was in Greece, which is a fucking slap in the face. Yeah. He's in Greece and he's like, kick them off the bill. Yeah, he wouldn't do that. I remember that as well. Okay. Let's do our top three.

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What's your best week?

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As soon as I started thinking about it, I was like, shit. Well, usually my suggestions probably is the same with all of us. I have one in mind, like one of my answers. And I'm like, you know, we should totally do that. And then you're fucked because you're like, well, that's the only one there is. Yeah. Which is not true. But yeah, when you mentioned it, I had one that popped into my mind right away. And I was like, oh, that'd be cool. And then that didn't even make my list. Yeah. Oh, cool. Then you had some success then. Yeah. I had to literally like go through my music collection, like on my computer and just go from band to band.

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and go. Original band, original band, side project, original band. While this is not, I could probably give you a completely different list next week. This is my list for this week. Well, let's roll right into it. I did have a hard time with this, and I have a feeling you guys will probably both say some things that I'll be like, fuck. But my first one is Hammers of Misfortune, their album in particular called The Bastard. I knew you were going to do them. Did you really? Right on. It's a great record. It's a great record. There's a little bit of everything on this record.

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It's a concept record and it involves two guys who at the time were both in Slough Fag when this record was made and then one of them branched off and just kept Hammers of Misfortune going and the other one eventually dropped out. So if you're a Slough Fag fan definitely I recommend this because John the singer from, or not John, Mike the singer from Slough Fag sings on this and plays on this and it's a very Slough Fag-y type record but it's also, it's a little, it's kind of a Manowar-y record in places. Some places it's a little thrashy. Anyway,

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go ahead finish that was it hammers of misfortune the bastard not really easy to find either by the way so you're gonna probably on itunes but it's not that easy to find yeah i gotta go back and listen to the listen to them again and i gotta go back and listen to slough egg again as well because i remember i got a promo for uh atavism atavism i'm not sure how you say it that's a good one and i remember really digging that and then i just i never pursued that anymore so i gotta go back and check them out again that is probably one of my favorite

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that one ironically that you just mentioned and also when i used to work at a library in san francisco state

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university and mike who is the main writer and basically the main guy in slough peg used to come in

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there because he was pursuing a philosophy degree and that was right when adamism came out too and i just

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know it was all his philosophy stuff if you read the lyrics yeah dick what's your number three there's a band when

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there's a time we just talked about a power metal band in new releases and me being the podcast

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resident power metal guy here. There's a side project that released two albums by John Schaefer of Iced Earth. I almost made my list, brother. Me too. Really? Depends on which one you go with. John Schaefer and Hansi, the lead singer of Blind Guardian. They did a side project called Demons and Wizards. Their second one to me was a disappointment, but their first album, Demons and Wizards, I loved.

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My List. That's me too. It was of high consideration. The second record came out significantly later than the first. Yeah, it was like quite a few years, a good few years after the first one. And it was, I think, meant to kind of cash in on how good the first one was. That's an extremely solid 90s, I think it was, side project. And it was well, well. It was well loved. And it's cool because I like when side projects are something different or when it's two side projects where you pull in a bunch of like all stars. But didn't you know, here's the

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Richard Christie was on drums. Yep. I did. I feel like that demons and wizards almost more than any other side project I can think of brought in the two strengths of both of those guys. A hundred percent. You guys know the drummer Bobby Jazmbeck? Yeah, he was a drummer on that album. He drummed for Halford and Riot and also recorded and toured with Fate's Warning. Right on. Yeah, that's a great record, dude. The first one especially. I agree. The second one is Disappointment, but.

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Awesome side project. I had an honorable mention because this side project is also a cover band, so I couldn't justify putting it in my top three, but I wanted to mention it, and that's Maiden United. Great choice. I forget. I actually forget which band he's from, but it's a cover band put together by some people from different bands, and they play acoustic versions of Iron Maiden songs, and it's just beautiful. It really is. But my number three, Twilight of the Gods.

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Great choice.

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And I don't I wonder if either of you will choose this one I I still think this is a great side project featuring guys from Immortal and I forget who else I as in the letter I Yep I was considering it I Well there you go I love it I thought it was really great it's a little bit of a departure for all the guys that were involved I felt it's not really the kind of way they spend their time on a normal basis and it's a really fucking solid record a lot of fun to listen to Hell yeah Not Hell yeah Not Hell yeah that's not on our list Yeah absolutely

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One of my favorite people in the metal world is one Dan Swano. Oh, yeah. Dan's done countless projects, and I could build a whole list of side projects that he's done. But he did one that George first turned me on to, just because of the album cover. He and... I don't know how to say the guy's name, but the guitarist for Catatonia did an album, Anders Nystrom. Yes. They hooked up together and did a band called Diabolical Masquerade.

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They released a couple albums, but their Nightwork album was one of the first albums I got from George. You could literally populate your list with Dan Suano. I don't even, you know what I mean? Dan Suano is like his whole life as a side project, that guy. Yeah, pretty much. But this was one of the first albums that George got me, and it got me, I was attracted to it when I first was browsing CDs at his house, because it's the Bone Church. Yeah, such a good album on the Nightwork. And the Nightwork album, it's a

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Great Killer Album. Like the Rider on the Bones. Yep. Oh man, I love this album. They have to go listen to it when I'm done. No complaints here. Perfect. My number two, Valenfire. They were on my list too and they were taken off. Yeah, Gregor McIntosh from Paradise Lost. His sideband. Fucking brilliant. They were touring here, George? Probably. They were on that, weren't they on Summer Slaughter? They were on something and I really wanted to see them, but for

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whatever reason couldn't make it. Yeah, that's a great...any album, George? Did you say one? I didn't specify an album, but I would have to go with A Fragile King. Yeah, I was going to say, because you and I talked, when I found them, I found them middle of last year. I don't know how I missed them, but you said you did the first one better than the second. Yeah, that's the one that's about his father. Okay, Jay, number one, Side Project. And keep in mind that I kind of considered Side Project similar to Solo Record, and so even though these records were

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made while this person was out of his main band, which was Iron Maiden. Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are two of the best metal records that were made in the 90s, without question. And I would call them side projects, since they don't involve Maiden in any... Well, that's not true. Adrian Smith is on Chemical Wedding, but it's just two of my favorite fucking metal records, period. I knew you were going to do that one, too. I couldn't. I couldn't do that. And they really are. They're that great. I think that they have been on...

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Somehow one or two of those records has managed to work into any number of lists we've done here because I just like them so much. Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to go with something like that or not. But yeah, I knew you were going to. I mean, I didn't know, but I expected you might. It was the thing that first it was the first title that came to my mind. Yeah. When we when we were talking about this, what's your number one, sir? Yeah, I could people think, oh, Buk's probably going to go with a Pantera, you know, Phil Anselmo side project down or Superdome, which not today. If you've been listening to the pod, you know, long enough.

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I'm a huge fan of this band. Bloodbath is my favorite. That was the one I was going to say. That was the one I was thinking too. I was like, you have to do Bloodbath. Going back to Dan Swango here. For some reason, because we were so vague about the rules of this, I was going to say, if he somehow does not put that on his list, because either A for God or does it consider it as life. Yeah, okay. Well, good. It's still the greatest find I ever found at George's, and he turned me on to it. They have been the band that I probably, one of them that I've listened to the most.

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The other band that I expected to see on your list and didn't was Aventasia. But the thing is, though, that could be like 75 different side projects for people. Yeah. I love Aventasia. Man, I love that. All right. Well, I'm going to give us our first overlap. So that means this one, my number one, has been spoken by someone else. What is it? What is it? What is it? Is it Puke? Is it Jay? Who is it? Who has my number one? I think it might be the Bruce Dickinson stuff. Yeah, it won't be the Bruce Dickinson stuff. What is it?

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I've never heard George has talked a little bit but not enough to be number one. Diabolical Masquerade! Get out of here! Yep, that's my number one. I fucking love Black Heim aka Anders. You know, Nightwork like you were saying is just a phenomenal album. Phantom Lodge. Pretty much, you know, what the hell's the name of the other one? Raven Dusk in My Heart. Yeah. Design. Yeah, Raven Dusk in My Heart.

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Okay, Death's design was a soundtrack, so that was kind of lame, but the other three albums are just fucking amazing black metal. Yes, Buke black metal albums. And just the sound and the production, that to me is like 90s black metal. That's what it should sound like. If you're going to copy a black metal sound, copy the sound from these albums. Awesome. You got yourself a blueprint. Yeah, I cannot believe it. This is what we share. This is crazy. Yeah, I was, believe me, it was almost impossible for me to keep a straight face.

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He said, Diabolical Masquerade, I was like beside myself. I remember those magical discovery moments, hearing all these albums through the years. The first time I put on Nightwork, it just instant clicked. Oh, yeah. It was just kind of different and awesome and well-produced. So good. I'm glad it was on your list. You have taught me well. Yeah, at least something stuck. Oh, wow. Okay, Jay, what are you listening to, buddy?

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What a pretty short list for me this week. The number one thing on my list right now is Flesh God Apocalypse. I'm listening to that a lot.

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I spent the last week listening to a lot of old records, so I've just kind of been putting in some Creator and some Slayer. And then even though I had kind of forgot about it completely for about three days, I put the About record back in the other day, and that's been rolling with me. So really I'm going to kind of rely on George's list to kind of bring me up to some speed on some things. Oh yeah. But with that, what do you got rolling around? And I've been watching your posts lately, Buk, and you've been getting a little proggy in a nice kind of way. I have. Sucking up to John. Yeah. Our friend, a huge supporter,

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of the show, Ricky Bonin, reached out to me and blew me away with this recommendation. You guys remember the album last year from the guys in Crip Sermon? Yep. Very classic metal sound to it, like a new wave of British heavy metal type of classic doom sound almost. Yeah, it was a great album. Great album. It was on my half year list. I'm really bummed that they're going to be at Death Fest, but they're not going to be on one of the stages we're going to see. Yeah. Yeah. Well, take two of those members and put

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Put them in a classic death metal sound album. Okay. And you get yourself trench rot. That's right. And their album Necronomic Warfare. I have been addicted to this damn album. Awesome. Track four especially Mad Dogs of War. I'm just so damn hooked on this. It's the death metal that I like. I like either Swedish death metal or I like your classic style death metal. And that's exactly what this is. It's pretty amazing. Awesome dude.

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And there was another one that I took from our friend. Hi, this is John. This is by Perihelion Ship. This is a rare thunderstorm in spring. Don't know that one. This is a killer. Proggy with some death metal elements, like how Opeth does prog metal. So definitely check this out. A rare thunderstorm in spring. Excellent. And the number, sorry, I wanted to tip my hat.

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to George for something last week. Last episode, you mentioned Gygax. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Critical hits. The tabletop gamer in me has been loving that damn album. I thought you would. I have been. It's so, in every way, I love the cheesiness that people can call three inches of blood. I love this damn album. I'm happy to like that. I absolutely love it. I thought you might, because you like Gypsy Hawk. Yes, yes. Two more. I've been listening to

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a couple black metal albums this past week. One from a band Foth. F-U-A-T-H. Interesting. I've been seeing a lot about that on Bandcamp. Their album Eye. And that also goes with another band Wilderness King. And they're in Mythical Future. I saw that on Bandcamp, but I did not give it a good listen. What's that like? Just a killer atmospheric black metal. Sweet. I'll give it a listen.

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like it. So, you know, for, uh, you know, our friends in a certain black metal band that we like, it's, uh, too, too clean for him. Oh, that wouldn't be neutrino, would it? I'm just saying we're friends with a couple bands. Yeah. Excellent. I'll check it out. Definitely check out those two. So look at that. I almost had, I kind of had a George like list this week. Oh, and one other thing, uh, the lead singer of Amon put out a playlist, uh, of some

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Bands that have influenced them. This was a rock band actually. Audrey Horn. Yeah, those guys are cool. Yeah, they're really, really cool. And the album Young, Young Blood. Yeah. Where does that name come from, do you suppose? Audrey Horn. Is that like an old... You know, I feel like I looked that up at one point because I was like curious because it's like a woman's name, but it's a bunch of dudes. But it sounds a little Lizzy Borden-ish or something. I'll look it up. All right. So two more. These were ones that I found when I was out of town dealing with my grandmother in the drive and stuff.

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Egypt, their Endless Flight album. Those guys are cool. These guys are really cool. Like a Doom, but like a 70s style kind of mixed in with it. Yeah, they're cool. And it's one album, final album, that is getting a lot of talk. And I'm going to absolutely butcher the name. George, this may be on your long list. Lod Durnier Shrep. I don't know how to say it. What the fuck? Spell it. This is from the band, I can't even say it. Schleist? Spell it.

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C-H-T-H-E apostrophe I-L-I-S-T. I think it's Theolist like Cthulhu. It's like C-T-H like Cthulhu. So the C is sort of silent. So it'd be like Theolist. Okay. Well, leave it to me to butcher it and ruin their reputation. Dude, that's a tough one. I'm just guessing. That's a tough one. Yeah. They're French, I believe. But this album came out in January. I think this was another Ricky recommendation. And this album is blowing up.

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I'm seeing it everywhere. Online and on people's lists and stuff like that. Cool. Those are mine. But again, if you take something with you today, Wilderness King and Perihelion Ship, take those two with you. Chew on it. Eat it. Not Obscura, presumably. And the Obscura. Yeah. Goes without saying. All right. So my list this week, I cringe. I actually asked the guys before we started, I was like, should I break this list in half and only use half of it? Because I've got 20 albums.

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for you again this week. It's been fruitful. It's been a while. We haven't done a part in a while. How do you listen to 20? Are you like, I like track one and two, on to the next? No, I'm just constantly looking for new, every day I am looking for new music. And, you know, some of this stuff is recommended to me. You know, one of these was from John. One of these was from, I'm not sure who it was. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to remember because I looked back through my emails and I couldn't remember who it was because it was a couple weeks ago.

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And some of this stuff is just stuff I find on Bandcamp. Some of it's stuff that's just new releases. And it's just been an incredibly good find these past couple of weeks. So, Mark, get your notepad ready. Remember he said he likes a challenge. And again, this is the point I always remind people. Please, if you are on Spotify, type in Metal Heads Podcast and our loyal listener Mark puts together a playlist for every episode.

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So please support that for us. For him, more importantly. And that way you can not have to have a three-ring binder right next to you right now as George dives into his list. Yep. And it's a real, true chance George did all the hard work for you. Exactly. You can just go listen to some bands that have a stamp of approval already. Yeah, most of these you can find on Bandcamp. So that's probably where I found them. All right, first one. Definitely a Bandcamp find. It's the band called Akhenaten.

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That's right. Incantations through the gates of Irkala. It's kind of Nile-like. That better be. That's a very Nile title. Yeah. Doesn't Nile have the corner? They do. They do have it cornered. This is probably a little less brutal than Nile. I mean, it's definitely like a death metal kind of thing. This is kind of like a tributary to the Nile. Exactly. Oh, that is such a good pull there, dude. And like, you know, that's like a brainy.

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kind of thing. Good job. I know it is. What the hell is happening to me? We should do these afternoon pods more often. Yeah. It's a little more orchestral than Niall. So if you like sort of bring the brutality back just a little bit and add in a little bit more orchestral stuff, you know, but it's cool if you like that sort of thing. I'm going to move on as quickly as I can through this list. Next one is called Ancestor's Blood and the album Hyperborea. It's a pagan black metal.

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This is the one that somebody told me about. This is the one I can't remember who told me about it. Was it John? Or was it Greg? Or was it Rick? Or was it Matt? Somebody told me about this and I don't remember who it was. I'm sorry. I didn't have time when I was doing my notes today. I tried looking back through my emails and stuff. I couldn't figure out what it was. But somebody told me about this band and it's good. Like I said, it's a pagan black metal. The music is really awesome.

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The Vocals are what you expect from pagan black metal. But the music's really good. Kind of like the Seven Sisters of Sleep. If you just give it a quick spin, you're not really getting the full thing here. But the music's really cool. Next up is a band that I'd heard of, and I'd sort of forgotten about them. And listener Greg pointed out that I should pick up the vinyl, and I did. And this is for a band called The Angelic Process, and the album's called Weighing Souls with Sand.

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for like seven, eight years. The, uh, the guy, it was, it was like a guy and his wife that did this band and they, it's sort of a experimental ambient drone noise sludge kind of thing. And, uh, something happened. Like he, he did something and hurt his hand and he wasn't able to play anymore. And ultimately he killed himself. Uh, that's quite a finish to that story. Yeah. So guys dead, no more music forthcoming. Uh, but somebody just did a vinyl release for it. And, uh,

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You know, Greg said, hey, you should check this out. And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this. And I was listening to it. And it was really kind of relaxing in a heavy sort of way. And so I preordered the vinyl. Next up is a band that came from the ashes of another band. So a phoenix of sorts. The previous band, you may have heard of them, Acker Cocker. This is three of the guys from that band and their new project called The Antichrist Imperium and their self-titled album.

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It's sort of a progressive black death. I really love the guitars on this album. They're really clean and tight and well-produced. It's just a cool album. Next up is a band called Awe, A-W-E, and the album Providentia. This is a Greek atmospheric black metal band. There's only like three songs on the album, and they're all between 14 and 20 minutes long. Atmospheric black metal, kind of, you know, nothing out of the ordinary there. It's just kind of cool. Found it on Bandcamp.

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Next up is a Viking black metal band called Hellheim and an album that I'm not going to pronounce well. It's R-A-U-N-I-J-A-R. Not even going to try to pronounce that. It's very, you know, it's like Viking stuff with a lot of pagan elements, a lot of cool like tribal drumming stuff and clean vocals mixed with like traditional black metal kind of screaming and heavy stuff. Really good album. Next one,

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What surprised me because I'd never heard about them before at all is a band called High Inquisitor Woe, W-O-E. And their EP Liquid Times. I found this, surprise, on Bandcamp. And this is like sort of a more traditional Doom. Somebody on Bandcamp likened it to Reverend Bazaar, which is, of course, an incredibly awesome Doom metal band. There's only like three songs on here, and each one is like double the length. So like the first one's like four minutes long, and the second one's like four minutes long.

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It's like 20 some minutes long

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And yeah, it's like clean vocals

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Doom, it's really

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Quite good, it's not all slow

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There's some like faster moments and stuff

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So I highly recommend this one

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That's a good title, I like that title, Grand Inquisitor Woe

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High Inquisitor Woe

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Yeah, that's really cool

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Next up is a band that

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I thought they were Funeral Doom in the past

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But not so much now

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They're called The Howling Void

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and their new album, The Triumph of Ruin. This is an interesting album. Like I said, I thought in the past it was more funeral doom, harsh vocals. This is very atmospheric gothic doom. There's a lot of pretty stuff going on, but there's still heavy stuff going on. A lot of the vocals, from what I recall, are clean. So I think they've sort of, I think it's just one guy, actually. And I think he's just sort of progressing into a newer style. So definitely check that out. It's also on Bandcamp.

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Next up is one that I know for certain was recommended to me by our friend John. This one is Karnon, K-A-R-N-O-N, however you pronounce that. These guys are from Montreal and their album, actually I think it's an EP, Le Temps Sombré, sounds French-Canadian. Kind of a progressive black death metal. Of course if John's in on there there's probably something progressive about it.

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This is a band called Ketzer and their new album Starless. This is their third album. They're a black and thrash band from Germany. And shortly after I bought it on Bandcamp, I got a tweet from him saying, hey, Ketzer, is it me or does... I'm paraphrasing here.

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to me or does the singer for Ketzer sound just like the singer for Tribulation? And so I went and I did a side-by-side of like two, you know, a Ketzer song and a Tribulation song, and it blew my fucking mind. It was like identical. And so I even like went and looked it up and like, nope, it's not the same singer. And so we had a brief conversation about that. At first he was kind of liking it, but then he sort of flip-flopped and was like, nah, this is just a rip-off of Tribulation. But so far I'm still, I still have a checkmark in the like column.

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I felt certainly that the vocals do sound like tribulation, but I mean, they're harsh vocals.

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There's not a lot of wiggle room there. But the music is very produced. I could almost hear a different kind of singing over this album. It's, I don't know, I mean, it's good. It's not really black metal, it's not really death metal, it's not really thrash. I'm not really sure what to call the music, but it's harsh vocals over top of it, and it's kind of cool.

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So check it out. See what you think. This next one is a band that I just discovered yesterday. And the band is called The King is Blind. And I believe it's their first full length. It's called Our Father. And the band name and the album title both are like, hmm, what's that? That sounds kind of cool. Let's check it out. And it turns out one of the guys in the band is Paul Ryan from Cradle of Filth. And it's a really well-produced album.

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Kind of vacillates back and forth between death metal and black metal for me. Like the very first song was more like death metal a la like Amanah Marth. But then the second song was a little more like Cradle of Filthy, Screechy, Black-ish. So certainly not a one-trick pony. It's cool. I haven't gotten all the way through the album yet, but I wanted to give it a mention because so far I'm really digging it. I feel like I've been talking for an hour now.

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It was fun to watch you smile when you stumbled on Amon Amarth a little bit there.

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Amon Amath.

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Next up is a band called Orkan, O-R-K-A-N, and their album Liv Laus, L-I-V-L-A-U-S.

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This is a blackened thrash band from Norway. It's their second album.

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I wouldn't say there's anything overly remarkable about it. It's just kind of a cool album that I found on Bandcamp.

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This next one, I know Will is a fan, and I'm almost positive that Bukka's a fan as well. This is a death metal album, so perk up your ears, boys. This is Pile of Priests and Void of Enlightenment. Yeah, I told you about this one, and Will may have also told you about it. Yeah, and I gotta say, I am really liking this album. You know, I don't listen to a lot of death metal these days, partly because death metal's not really doing a lot of innovating right now. And this isn't particularly innovative either, but what it is, is a throwback to the old school.

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This is the band Publicist UK and their album Forgive Yourself.

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I was very curious about this because I kept seeing it on people's lists and I gave it a brief listen and wrote it off because it didn't sound like metal at all and then I looked into it a little further and like there's a dude from Municipal Waste in this band there's a dude from Revocation in this band but the music isn't particularly metal it's kind of heavy at times but what it sounds like to me is a mix between Sisters of Mercy and Joy Division and how can you not like either of those even if you're a metal fan you gotta get behind those bands so I've

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I've been listening to that one a lot and it's cool. I don't know, it's weird, but it's definitely cool. Next up, I'm including this band because they're from Trondheim, Norway, and I've been there. So anytime I see a band from a place in Norway that I've been, I have to mention it. And not only that, but they're actually kind of cool. I don't know how to pronounce the band. I'm going to say Salygia, which is S-A-L-I-G-I-A. And their album, which I'm also going to butcher,

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I'm going to call it phonics. It's F-O-N-I-X, but there's like a little squiggly over the O, so it could be phonics or I don't know what the squiggly means. So there you go. But they're listed as a black metal band, but they're not at all like traditional black metal. The vocals are almost spoken, but with sort of a slightly harsh edge. Anyway, they're a cool band, and I'm pretty sure, I think they're on Bandcamp. I don't remember.

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There's so many of them I forget, but I'm pretty sure they're on Bandcamp. So give these guys a lesson. If you're looking for something that's not ordinary, check it out. Next up is a funeral doom band. I'm going to say Un. It's just U-N. Un. And their first album, The Tomb of All Things. First of all, how can you not want to hear a band with an album title like that? The Tomb of All Things. And yeah, it's a U.S. funeral doom band. It's what you would expect. It's slow. It's heavy vocal.

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It's good. It's probably, I would call it at least above average for Funeral Doom. Check it out. Next up, we have a band called Undersmile. Not sure what an Undersmile is. It does sound dirty. And their new album, or latest album anyway, Anahedonia. They're a UK drone doom band. They actually have two female singers. I think they do other things in the band besides just sing. And I was telling Jay about them.

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And it's kind of like relaxing, droney, heavy music with occasional screaming. And like the clean vocals that they do are sort of slightly out of sync. Yeah. I listened to it when you talked about it. It's actually really cool. I mean, it's real. I don't want to say arty. That's a shitty word. But there's something dissonant about the vocals. Yeah. It's like you can make out what they're saying, but it's just out of sync enough that it's got like it's almost like an echo to it. But it's like actually two different people.

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Like Trippy or something. I mean, that's a shitty way to put it too. But yeah, it's cool stuff though. I like that one. Yeah, it's chill. Next up is one that I got partly because it was free. But I did, even on Bandcamp when they're free, I still throw them a buck or two. It's a band called Warchief and their self-titled album. It's a stoner sludge kind of band. But what stuck with me was that my very first impression and follow-up listens is not so much, but my very first impression was that the singer

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of Neil Fallon from Clutch. If not so much in the sound of his voice, but in the way he sings. I just heard a snippet of it, George. That's spot on. Thank you. Spot on. So yeah, so I was just like, oh, that's cool. I'll throw him a couple bucks and get that just to support him. That's a cool name, Warchief. Okay, two more. Promise, only two more. This one's called Watercolor Ghosts and their self-titled album. Not technically a metal band, I guess. They're an Australian band and they're sort of almost more alternative.

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But you don't hear a lot of, at least I don't, I always say these things like, oh, there's no more rock bands. And of course, obviously there are rock bands out there and I'm just not hearing them. But, you know, it's just not in like popular music and it's, and of course, and it doesn't come past my ears very often, but it's sort of alternative. And what made me buy this album was my first impression that the singer reminds me at times of Maynard from Tool. He sort of has that same, just sort of the same.

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It's the same meter to his vocals at times. And so I was like, ah, you know, and it was kind of spacey and there's clean vocals and it was just sort of a nice palate cleanser for me. So I picked that up. And the last one, if you've still listened to the end, is a Vancouver jam doom band called Wiser Fool and their second album called All That Is Left Behind. It's doom, but it's not dark doom. It's kind of more of a, I say jam.

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because it's a little more upbeat kind of doom. Almost witchcraft-like. Or maybe like Elder, which I consider a vaguely doomish band. Yeah. Not at all, you know what I mean? Stoner Doom, I guess you could call it. And their first album or EP, I can't remember whether it was an EP or an album, I didn't buy the first one, was a little more traditionally doom. And then the second, this album, was a little brighter. But it was very cool. And as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, I'm buying that. So I picked that up.

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Also on Bandcamp, give it a listen. And if you're still with us, welcome to the last half of the podcast. Is anybody out there? Out there. Arouse yourself from your slumber. Yes. Awaken from thy slumber and lend me thy ears. You definitely can't say that you walk away from this podcast every week not having new shit to check out. You better. You better. Yeah. If you're like, oh, there's no music out there to check out, well, I don't know what you're doing. I gotta say, I feel self-conscious about coming in here with

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this is my obsession. It's what I do. I'm not trying to outdo anybody by having more albums or anything like that. It's my obsession. I can't help myself. I'm always looking for new music. I would wager that there are those who look very forward to this segment for that very reason. It may be few and far between, but there's one or two out there. If you're out there, let me know because I really do feel self-conscious about doing this. You guys are going to roll

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your eyes and be like, oh, here comes Mr. Pretentious Pants. Never. Dude, that's why we do this pod, just to introduce music to people. That's all I'm trying to do. Yep. All right, well, moving on. And it should say, with the tons of metal out there, Bandcamp, new release, iTunes, with everything in stores, if it's getting mentioned here by you, check it out, people. Yeah, it's worth looking into, obviously, yeah. Think of me as your filter. I take it all in, and I only shit out the good stuff.

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All right, let's move on to our classic album.

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Mine was based on a band that I've been revisiting because I wanted to,

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because they're going to be at Maryland Death Fest.

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I hadn't listened to them in a while,

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and I was reminded how good they were this week.

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Hyrex, H-I-R-A-X, for those of you who don't know,

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I already mentioned Hyrex earlier in the hour. And they have a record, their original Metal Blade release, 1985 release, Raging Violence. The songs are almost of a punk length because they're all pretty short songs. But this is a super fucking heavy band, completely metal, great singer, totally worth your time if you ever never checked these guys out. Yeah, I remember them. They were on their early 80s Metal Blade stuff. I think it's funny that you and I know a lot of these different bands, and we

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Both have different pronunciations for everything. Ah, how do you say that one? I say hyrax, which is probably wrong. No, not necessarily. But I've always wondered where you got your pronunciation of Voivod. I make it up. Okay, because I mean, it's so distinct that I assumed maybe you'd heard an interview and one of them. Well, I have heard Voivod. I sort of go back and forth depending on how my mouth works. Yeah. Between Voivod and Voivod. Do you know where the name comes from? Does it mean something?

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They made it up. It's, you know, the theme of the early albums is the race of Voivods or Voivods that they're, you know, a militaristic race that are out there. Yeah, it's just from their science fiction world. Gotcha. But I think Away came up with that. Gotcha. Okay, cool. And I think Voivod, damn it, see, now I don't remember, I always question which is the way I know. I've listened to the band say it, and I was like, okay, that's how you say it, but now I can't remember which one it is. Voivod?

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or Voivod? I think Voivod. Maybe I'll take a homework assignment and see if I can find one of them saying it. But like, I say Saxon and you say Saxon. Yeah, exactly, which I think you're right. I think you're right on that one. That one's, that feels more right to me. And I'm not trying to correct you or anything. I truly, because, you know, growing up in the 80s, a lot of this stuff, it was just in a vacuum. Yeah, I read it in a magazine or on a record cover and nobody was there to talk about it. Yeah, there was nobody that ever said these things out loud. And so there's all these albums and band names that I'm

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just like you say it in your head and then when you say it out loud you kind of like look around

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and see if anybody was like correcting you or something and uh i really do think i think your

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saxon is but it's more probably historically correct i yeah it's interesting we should we can do a whole

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show about that sometime yeah what's your classic oh well since i saw the script earlier and i saw that

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anvil was going to be on it got me you know again on an early thrash kind of kick it's something on the

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album that uh kind of caught me to listen to it a couple couple times through doesn't look like

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it was received too well but this is the 84 release of fist held high by thrust dude yeah tonight's the night the posers will die i know that one i've got that on cd yeah i remember that's an old early metal blade one and two fists bursting out of a uh like a morning star grabbing you know with their gauntlets on grabbing the band logo yeah man i love that song posers will die off that album yep the last track yep

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Yeah, not too politically correct these days, but in the 80s, man, fuck those posers. Fist Hell and High, Overdrive, Freedom Fighters. That brings a little tear to my eye hearing you bring up that album. I'm like, I've done my job. I've raised him well. Yep, because that one, you just ain't stumbling across that album on websites and stuff. No, that's a deep album. The whole album, deep. That's about as deep as it comes. Yeah, pretty much.

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That should cover my classic and deep track. Fair enough. It really should. Just randomly choose a title. All right. My classic album is not all that metal. Granted, the guy that put it out is sort of, you know, he's related to metal and the band he was in before, while hard rock is still favorited by metal fans. And that band was Thin Lizzy. And this is the guitar player, sometime guitar player and now deceased fellow

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Gary Moore and his probably most commercial and reviled album Wild Frontier. And for me, this was the first Gary Moore album and I fucking loved it. It's not really, it's more of a hard rock kind of album. The big song for me off this album was Over the Hills and Far Away. It's got sort of an Irish flair to it. I'm an Irish dude. Yeah, you know, particularly the album title track Wild Frontier definitely is a bit reminiscent for the

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for Ireland. It's just a cool album. I was listening to it the other day. It's good stuff. And you know, he's no longer with us, so we're not going to be seeing anything more from him, but this is definitely classic. I think, did he die last year or was it the year before that? Actually, it's been a while, I think. It's been more like probably four or five years. Oh, that long? Yeah, let's see. I saw a pretty good video the other day. Gary had a lot of cool guitars, and I saw some cool video the other day of his guitars. I mean, he had like a 59 Les Paul,

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and all this different shit. Five years ago. Was it that long ago? 2011. In fact. I was ready to tell you like see you're wrong. I mean I swear to God because I thought it was like last year. February 6th 2011 so just over five years. I mean I remember well he was on tour. I think he died in a hotel room overnight. Yep he had a heart attack. Yeah. Wow. Five fucking years. Jesus. Time flies man. Doesn't it though? Not for people that are dead though. Yeah. All right. Vinyl purchases. Vinyl.

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Vinyl! Put yourself!

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I got a couple. Based on an article I had read in the New York Times magazine recently, they did a little article about Dope Smoker by Sleep, and I didn't have that on vinyl, so I picked up a nice copy of that. And it is nice because it's a double album copy with this really killer blue black splatter vinyl. Picked up a copy of Sons of Northern Darkness. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Jake. Can I tell you about that album? Drunk Matt, who was featured on the pod here, him and I get together a lot and drink beers and hang out.

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Can I just say that's not really an album to play for other people who aren't in the mindset to listen to it because I put it on thinking it would be background noise and within like minutes he's like you gotta get this off of here and I believe it too I mean I'll say this and the article in the New York Times even said that it's an album that in all honesty is a little bit of work you know I mean to listen to so yeah but it pays off if you listen to it but it's sort of like a listen to it before you go to bed kind of record that was a good article it was a good article

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Yeah, I sent that over to George, and it was just kind of like an opinion piece about that record. I picked up Sons of Northern Darkness by Immortal, which I did not have in vinyl. Yeah, I was kind of filling holes this week, and I picked up Seven Churches by Possessed, which was one of my Holy Grails. I'm still going to call that unofficially not purchased yet, because I've got the Back on Black version. I'd like the Metal Blade version, which I think George has. I think I have the Back on Black, too. Oh, do you? Okay. I think so. And I also picked up a Back on Black Welcome to Hell, which I did not have on vinyl, because there was a specific copy.

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I was looking for it finally got just by this one and it's a double white vinyl with a bunch of old demos and other lost tracks on it yeah they have a lot of extra stuff on their reissues they really they do back on black and mean or venom venom they do they do they have my black metal doesn't have the any on it I have the mp3 files but that that's just a straight up reissue so but I didn't understand I was bad that I didn't have welcome to hell so I picked it up that's the end of mine what would you pick up anything do yeah like I said earlier to honor grandmother like she

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She would have wanted it that way. I didn't honor her probably in the way she wanted me to and go to the Gordon Corral and load up. I got a bunch of albums at a killer record store in Charlotte, North Carolina by the name of Lunchbox Records. A lot of the record stores that George and I go to, at least here, like Soundgarden, the big one, the one that started Record Store Day, they have a lot of albums where it's A through Z.

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It's the same bands you kind of see everywhere else

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The cool thing about Lunchbox is

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they had the A through Z but it was just

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full of like one or two albums

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from like 700 different bands

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So you had a cool selection

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to pick from

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So I picked up

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Acid Baths, Pagan Terrorist Tactics

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I finally got the

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Abbott album

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Guests of the Pod here, I got Temple

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The Moon Lit Our Path

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I got the

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I'm going to butcher this one, but Karsh Angren, I don't know how you pronounce that. Oh, Karach Angren or however it is. Karach Angren, this is no fairy tale. And if you have never guys just sat or anybody listening, just sat and listened to that album and just really pay attention to the lyrics. What a fucking dark album that is, man. Yeah, those guys don't get enough coverage for how awesome they are. Oh, that album is amazing. I, on the drive down, I heard when crows tick on windows,

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the third track and it's talking about his mother dying or something it's oh man haunting lyrics uh and i checked off one of my uh wish list albums i was able to find a great used copy of hammerfall crimson thunder this sounds like a good record store yeah no that was a discogs purchase okay and this one uh comes from a thing i signed up for on facebook a thing called the vinyl edit where after a couple days of liking and disliking and

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You talk, telling them what you want. They send you an album via text message every day. And I've kind of broke the system by actually sending in long messages like, no, don't send me this. I'm a metalhead. Stop sending me shit. Apparently, I've had people working for them who are metalheads, so they make it their primary mission to send me albums. So I received this, Bathory Hammerheart. Nice. Very cool, dude. I've been passing on this for a long time because every time I've seen it before, it was the picture disc. Yeah.

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There was some run of the battery. A behemoth just did the same thing. They reissued everything and all was picture-diss. There was some run. That's why you see so many of those in the stores. On that Acid Bath record, which came out in 1996 or something, one of my favorite songs from that year was on that record. It's called Grave Flower. Jesus, that's a good song. It's so sad that they broke up after the bass player was killed because that album was so amazing.

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It was heavy and kind of screechy, but it was also very melodic. You know, singer Dax Riggs went on to go do non-metal stuff because he can sing. And if they continue... What did he go on to? He's just... Well, I thought he had a band of some kind, but now I think he just goes under the name Dax Riggs. And it's just like singer-songwriter kind of stuff, not metal at all. They're almost like a Roots Doom band. Where does that sound? I mean, like a band who's like the... I think they were around when Sleep was around.

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They're sort of responsible for what Doom started to become. Yeah, because they were a NOLA band. Oh, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, they were from that region anyway. And yeah, I mean, like the song Dead Girl, you know, that's just like, what the hell's this? But it's so freaking awesome. So yeah. Two years ago, I wore their shirt to Gwab-E-Q and you know you got a real metalhead when they recognize that. They got a lot of compliments for it. You should have wore it to Gwab-E-Q last year when we interviewed Ben from Goat Horror.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, that's funny, too, because I was perusing one or both of your, probably George's, I guess, since you just got to be, Discogs or something, and I saw that it was on there.

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I've never talked to you guys about that record.

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And then I saw your T-shirt once, and I was just like, oh, those guys fucking know that record.

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That's awesome, you know?

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It's cool.

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It's like the first time we've ever talked about it, because it's not a real obvious record.

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It's not on everybody's list.

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Oh, that was, for a long time, that was like a go-to album for me.

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I fucking played the shit out of that album. Yeah. That occupied a go-to place for me, too. Did you pick up any vinyl, George? I did, as a matter of fact. And my very first one is the one that Buke also got, because we got it at the show. That was Theories and their album Regression. I also got the Borknogger Winter Thrice, and a pretty blue vinyl. I finally, like 12 years after everybody else, finally got my pre-order of Slayer's Repentless. I had to wait, because I got a green and black vinyl that's like in a

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radiation symbol like nuclear blast and it took that they were so backlogged that it took forever but that finally came that's a fucking wait dude because that record came in like october or september yeah yeah i i pre-ordered this like last summer and finally got it jesus uh i just got uh secrets of the sky and their album to sail black waters uh i was surprised to see that issued on vinyl so i snagged that i got one of my holy grail albums that i've been looking for forever occasionally you see a

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I finally found a nice copy of Omen's Battle Cry. Wow. Yeah, I've been looking for that forever. You never hardly ever see it come up. And when you do, it's usually in a pretty shit shape. So this one was like, you know, VG Plus near mint and it's in good shape. So I was happy. You get an okay price on it? 40 bucks. Oh yeah, it's not too bad. No, I mean, I usually see it for like a hundred. So I was for a quality copy at that price. So I just jumped on it. And you have it in hand now?

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It is in hand, yes. And it lives up to the description of very good plus. It does. It's at least VG+. Good. Now is the part of the show where I make Jay sad. Oh, goddammit. If you got another copy of Morbid Tales, I'm going to kill you. Not quite that much, but I got Solitude Aeternus Adagio. Fuck yeah. Let's say Robert Lowe. Another one from the same band, I got Alone.

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And another one from Solitude Eternus, Downfall. So that's three Robert Lowe's. Let's go for the fourth, Candlemas, Psalms for the Dead. Dude, I didn't mention, well, first of all, congratulations, dickhead. But I didn't mention the one you told me to order, Death Through Magic, which I did get. Did you? Didn't you see Psalms for the Dead as well? Oh, no, it was Psalms for the Dead. I'm sorry, it was Psalms for the Dead. So you did get it? I just haven't received it yet. Yeah, so that's why I pointed that out to you, because I was kind of feeling bad that I had it.

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Yeah, it really is. It's good. And it was funny because a lot of people called the one before that kind of a masterpiece, but I like Psalms for the Dead better. So, dude, oh, that's fucking awesome. And I, you know, hey, mad respect to Robert Lowe. I wonder, have you heard if he was going to go back to Solitude Aternas and keep that going, or what was the deal? I don't know. I haven't heard anything at all, but I'd like to think that he would. Because he's out now, you know. Yeah.

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Which is also, was there a sample available of the new Nevermore stuff? I can't remember. Or maybe the new Candlemas stuff? No, there was just like that studio thing where they were playing some guitars. Okay, that's what it was, yeah. Because I'm curious to hear that this singer sounds a lot like Robert Lowe just based on like a live video I watched. Yeah, I mean he's of that type. But I'm just curious to see in the real environment what it's like. Oh, dude, those are fucking great acquisitions, dude. I have one more. This is my drop the mic, flip you both the bird, and walk away.

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Disillusion, Back to Times of Splendor, Orange Vinyl. How? Metal Blade, Germany. Oh, right now. So it was just in store. You didn't have to pay secondhand prices or anything? Oh, no. It's not secondhand, but it's directly from Metal Blade in Germany, so it was expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was just like, oh, we were talking about it because that was Bukes. I'm not sure what it was. It was like your classic or something last week.

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We can reunite. Oh, that's what it was, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I had mentioned seeing that it was being reissued, and I was like, I wonder if it's on vinyl. And it was. It's not reissued in the U.S., but Germany does have it. So if you go to the German Metal Blade, you can get it there. The fucking shipping. Yeah, shipping's not quite as bad from Germany as it is from other places. No, but none of these discogs are ever based here in the fucking states. Yeah. Well, I would say every tenth one is.

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something. But George is right. If you're going to get it from Europe, get it from Germany. I tend to have my best luck with shipping costs from Germany. Yeah, you can get it for like 7 or 8 euros as opposed to like 15 or 20. Yeah, which is not bad at all. I mean, that might be, I'm not sure what the exchange rate is. That's probably like 12 bucks or something. Yeah. All right, let's do our deep tracks. Mine is based on a vinyl purchase of a few weeks back that I was put on this morning before we spoke. And it is off of Into Glory Ride, Man of Wars, Into Glory Ride.

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This isn't that deep. I think of it as deep because I don't hear people talk about it a lot, but it's Gates of Valhalla. Last song, side one. One of the great vocal performances of the 80s, dude. I mean, really, that song, that whole record, but that song, it's just in the stratosphere in places, and it's just beautiful. Plus, it's a heavy song. You may want to check these guys out, George. Manowar. As I look around at the Manowar banners behind me. Actually, with George snooping around band camp, he could potentially miss a Manowar these days. He'd be like, what? Guns and Who? I don't know what you're

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Yeah.

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Whoever's coming in through the front door, he never sees.

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Yep.

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You got a deep track, Buke, or are we going to go with?

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No, I have a deep track.

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First, I'm going to honor my friend.

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Again, George said about the Thrust song, right, George?

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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You like that song.

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Again, Posers Will Die.

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Yes.

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There you go.

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But my deep, deep track is off of the introduction album to this band that I got into from

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from Scum Dogs of the Universe by Gwar. My favorite track off it, and surprisingly it is a deep track, is Love Surgery. That's awesome, dude. I've never done a Gwar deep track. That's awesome. I love that fucking song. I love that whole album. I see it every once in a while, Hit Me on Discogs, but a lot of them are in the UK. They're pretty expensive. There may not be a better album or funnier album titled in Gwar's Hell. Oh. Yeah.

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That's a good fucking record title, dude. Love these guys. But yeah, that's mine. Right on. My deep track, as is so frequently the case recently, is one that I heard on XM Radio while I was driving in the car, and I was like, nope, there's my deep track. And surprisingly, it's from Ozzy Osbourne. It's from the Bark at the Moon album, which is probably one of my favorite Ozzy albums, and it's one of my favorites. Can I take a guess at the song? Sure. Faster or Slower? Slower. Okay.

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Maybe I'm going to give up. Is it Rock and Roll Rebel? Nope. It's deeper than that? Yeah. Okay, I'm giving up. I was going to say Center of Eternity because that's like a really good song on that record. That would have been my second choice, but this is Waiting for Darkness. Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. That's the closer, right? Yeah. That song is so badass. That was the last really good Ozzy closer I felt because he really kind of had that going for a while, like the Diary of Madman and stuff. That's a really good... There are some couple gems on that record. Yeah, that's the song that...

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I like teen angst song. One of them, you know, I was just like, fuck everybody and hate the world. And, you know, I don't walk in the daylight. I wait for the darkness. You know, it was such a good song. That's a good, a very good closer, dude. That's awesome. That's a great choice. I, um, one of my teen angst Ozzy songs was you can't kill rock and roll. Yeah. I heard that one the other day too. That's a good one. That's a great song. Yeah. All right. That's just about the end. But before we get to that, I want to announce, I've already

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I announced it on Facebook. I'm going to announce it here as well. Moving forward, the podcast is going to be hosted on SoundCloud. What? Yeah. In fact, it's already hosted on SoundCloud. So if you can't hear this, you're either deaf or you didn't switch over to SoundCloud. You're in the wrong place. Yeah. If you're on iTunes, if you're subscribed on iTunes, it should be transparent to you. I migrated the feed for iTunes to the SoundCloud.

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