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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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And my name's Buke. Hi, I'm Jay. Hi, I'm John. Hey, this is Mark. This is Mark. Hello. So, in case you didn't realize it, by the fact that they introduced themselves, John and Mark. That's right, Spotify Mark. You may have heard him from the After Slayer thing we did. Was that last episode? God, that was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, they're joining us here in the studio today, and we are so glad to have them with us. Welcome, gents. Welcome. Thank you.

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Especially since they brought us beer. Glad to be back. It's always good to have beer. And this is the first time I've seen John since I saw John. John was the first of the crew I got to meet in face-to-face person-like. We had a blast, man. Jay took care of us. I had one of the best dinners I've ever had. I love that place. What was it? It's called Burma Superstar. That was a blast. Always a line. Always a line. And we just went down a bar and waited until they phoned us. Our seat was ready. We went and ate like kings.

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jokes that Buke makes about the burritos. Oh, God, that place is awesome. Yeah, he went to one of my favorite joints on the way to town. Amazing. Oh, Jen was just like, we're eating here again. That's good stuff, man. Yeah. Well, it's only a little over a month now until Jay will actually be here. Absolutely. You guys are going to find out that I don't have legs. I'm in a wheelchair, so that'll be a surprise for all of you. He's just a head on a broomstick. Jay, I've kept my mouth shut the whole time. Nobody knows.

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It's going to be like that one movie. What is it? Like Crying Game or something where we find out Jay's actually a woman. That's right. I'll be out there for a week. I put a couple days before and a couple days after. Death Fest is why I'm coming. I'm hoping we'll get a chance to do a full episode before I come home. Excellent. We're going to have to figure out Buke's schedule for that. Timing will be a thing for sure. We'll figure it out somehow if we have to kidnap him from work and whatnot. We'll show up at the NOAA station. Dude, you have five minutes.

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A Mobile Podcast in downtown D.C.

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All right.

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Well, we just got done doing an interview with Carmelo from Novembre

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and talking about their new album, Ursa.

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So first thing we want to do is we want to get into that

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and play that for you before we do anything else

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because we're really excited.

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This was really cool.

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We talked to him all the way from Italy.

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Here you go.

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This week's been John Bound.

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This week's me, John Man!

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This week's me, John Man!

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Listen to this now!

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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We are joined today by Carmelo from Novembre. How are you doing?

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I am fine. Thanks for having me.

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Good, good. Thanks for coming on.

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Congratulations on the release of your seventh album, Ursa. Yeah. It's been a while since your last album. What have you been up to? Well, well, we've been nothing much actually. I've been writing the album. Yeah. Basically, yeah. It's been a slow process because the truth is I did it all by myself because, you know, the others were taking care of their own things, their own

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I am the kind of guy who is not a friend of technology, not at all. So I needed to learn from scratch to record on the computer guitars and vocals and everything. So it took me a very long time and I didn't want any pressure, stress.

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I took my time to record a demo of the whole album. As somebody who also records on a computer, I'm curious, what software package do you use for recording and things like that? I have to ask. Now, as somebody who doesn't, you know, a fan of technology, are there any tools out there that you are probably aware of that you could use to assist you, but you're so maybe against it that you try and stay old school to using something?

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No, not really. I just use Audacity. Maybe you've heard of it. Yep, Audacity. Okay. It's free, it's easy, it doesn't slow your computer, even if it's not very powerful. And yeah, it doesn't do much, but that's enough. All right. Record more guitars, more than five guitars, six guitars, and it's okay. Wow. Okay, well.

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7th album. You've obviously been around for a while now. Can you tell us, how has the metal scene changed since you started originally? And do you think it's changed for the better or worse? Well, it had ups and downs. When we started, it was pretty much great. With these new bands for the time coming out like Opeth, Catatonia, we being bands that inspired ourselves from bands like

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Paradise Lost, you know, from 1991 scene. Well, then in the late 90s it went a bit down and, you know, everything went mainstream and the quality went down in my opinion. But recently I'm seeing that new bands are coming up and I'm listening to good things. Actually, I'm quite happy with this sort of rebirth of melodic

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Music

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Name a couple of favorites

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Wow, there's a couple of underground bands

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I mean, like, in the States there's a band I like

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it's called Dreadnought

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maybe you've heard of them?

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Yeah

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Yeah, they're lovely

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and there's an Italian band called Plateau Sigma

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which I love, definitely

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there's another band from Italy called Silbered

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Silbered?

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I don't know how to pronounce it

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And wow, I mean, they're excellent. This gives me hope.

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It's interesting you mentioned Dreadnought, because I think Buk and I were talking about them just a couple weeks ago, and that's a small band from the U.S. Did you find them, say, on Bandcamp, or did you read a review?

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No, I'm friends with Lauren.

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Okay, okay.

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I'm so happy to see that they're making their way up. They're extraordinary actually.

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Yeah, I love both albums. I think they're great.

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When you guys started so many years ago with a lot of the bands coming out of the Scandinavian countries, how was the scene back home in the early 90s?

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You mean in Italy?

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Yes.

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Well, it was ambitious because we were a big country. How did you say it? We were not a country... You weren't a country that people would associate with metal right off the bat. Not at all. We didn't have a scene like... After a couple of years, Lacon A Call came up. Everything changed a little bit.

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internationally and so I mean we wanted to to compete with the others and so that's why I said okay let's go to Sweden and record up there to with Dan Smono because he is the guy who knows how to give you the proper sound and to deal with this kind of riffs and everything so I think that was the right move to make

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to get acquainted with them and to know the way around this kind of metal. And I think that's what we did.

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So since you did all the songwriting yourself, what was your songwriting process for the album? How would you start a new song? Would you come up with a riff and then write the rest of it? Or did you start with a drum pattern and then add stuff to that? How did you go about creating songs?

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Well, it actually starts by strumming on a classical guitar, which is perfect because you don't have to cable it and it has a good volume. So I came up with a riff and I record it and after that I just assemble more riffs that I think that they are related or similar or they can create

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a skeleton of a song. And then the rest comes. All the arrangements. Right. Do you have any particular favorite tracks on the album? Anything that's of particular personal significance? You know, this album, I gotta say, it came out quite well. I mean, it came out well. So there's not a favorite. I'm very proud with the instrumental, Agathe.

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because it's very long and it varies and I'm happy that we could pull off this big guy. Yeah. Well, you know, one thing I like about the new album is that even though there's been an X number of years between this and the blue, it doesn't sound like there's been any time lapse. I mean, it sounds like a perfect transition from the blue, which I thought was a great album when you guys released it back then.

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in 2007. So I think at least for those fans, because I've been a fan since the early 2000s when I first heard you, and I just thought that the progression was great. Was this process the whole time during that period between two albums? Because it doesn't sound like there's been any time in between them at all. Yeah, because for me there wasn't any. Because as I said, these years went by and I didn't know

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this. Two years became four and eventually became nine and I didn't even realize it. That's why. So like nine years later you're like, wait a second, I'm in a band, I need to get a record out there. Absolutely, absolutely. And I'm a little rusty on stage. Because you've been sitting down playing for nine years? Absolutely.

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get used again. It really makes a difference, doesn't it? To go from sitting down playing for a long time to suddenly standing again. Yeah. Yeah. And also the relation with the crowd is weird after all those years. There are things that I forgot, you know, like not to scream too much because my name would go away. So, you know. What was it like working with Don Suano again? And I got to ask you, is that how you pronounce his name? Because I've heard it, you know, I've heard people say,

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Dan Swano, I've heard Dan Swano because it's Swedish. So, you know, maybe you could help us out there. For what I remember, in Swedish, it's pronounced Swano. Swano, okay. Yeah, it's like two words, swan and o. Because swan, you know, it's the birth, even in English language. Right. And the o, the two dots on it, is an island. So, it's island of the swans. Okay. Is it possible for him,

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Everything he puts his hands on doesn't turn to gold. We're particularly fond of him around here. He is amazing. He is a genius. He can play with both left and right. He can take it. He's ambidextrous. He can tell what you're playing staying in front of you. He doesn't need to turn on your back and say, okay, play this course this way.

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He doesn't need to change the order of the strings also when he changes hand. I don't know how it does. When you're recording with someone of his expertise, how much weight do you put on the suggestions that he's telling you as opposed to somebody who might not be him where maybe you'd kind of like to guide things a little more? A lot.

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Everything he says, it's gold for us. And except, you know, when he says... Can I be in the band? Except for when, you know, sometimes he doesn't even want to do that, but sometimes he gives you advices that would all mess up with the songwriting and, you know, you say, okay.

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I can't teach it. But, you know, except for that, we accept all the things he does. I mean, mixing while he mixes all the weird effects that he puts here and there. And he just gets the song better. Yeah, talking about a band that we're a big fan of here on the podcast, his band, Witherscape, recently has blown us away. Oh, yeah.

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Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why we asked him, you know, he asked us the sound reference for our mix. And obviously we said Witherscape and Nightingale. Mm-hmm. Can't go wrong there. Nope, not at all. So Anders from Catatonia appears on one of the new tracks. How did that come about? Well, and he will be also on the video of the song Annalusa. So he accepts.

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to film himself and be in the video. And well, I just wrote him and said, we are coming back. Would you like to be in? And he said, sure. So that's it. I mean, we're friends from a long time and he was happy to do that. And I can't thank him enough because I knew that I would take time away from him because, you know, they were recording the album that is coming up.

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And I knew that he didn't have time to scratch his head.

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Wouldn't you like to look through Carmelo's address book?

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I bet you the names that he has in there.

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He's very casual about it.

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Oh, yeah, we've been friends for a long time.

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It was funny because I can't be sure, but back in the early days of AOL and instant messaging,

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I was talking to this guy from Sweden and his name on AOL was Blackheim. And he said that he was in a band called, which one was it? It had to have been either Catatonia or Diabolical Masquerade or something to that effect. This would have been like 96 or somewhere around there. So real early on. And I was just like, oh yeah, that's cool, whatever. And now I have to wonder, was it actually him?

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I don't know. Then he followed up with ASL. Anybody back from AIM back in the day? Anyway, there's a quote from you in the press release that says, this album is a very important step in my life. It got me closer to what some may call maturity. Could you expand upon that a little? Explain what you meant by that? Yeah, I was basically referring to the musical part of it because I think I became more

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How do you say? Mature and way in the songwriting. Yeah. Because being in control of the things of the music, like in total control, I can change everything by myself. I didn't need the others of the band to help me out on things. So I was able to get rid of all the music.

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those things that were too much. Sometimes when we were writing a song and we faced a problem, we actually put things on to solve the problem. That's why there were too much things in our past albums. I think it's referred to as a sense of economy. That's what we would say.

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It is funny because to look at the albums you love the most are probably all pretty simple, so to speak. Exactly. When you face a problem, sometimes you don't have to add things, but you have to solve the problems in another way. So that's what I was able to do finally. And that's what I was talking about. What comes to mind is that there are a lot of complicated, great records out there and there's no question about it.

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that was recorded in like seven hours with just you know four guys in a room and it's like one of the great heavy metal records of all time that sort of speaks to the positivity of simplicity i think absolutely no overdubs just one guitar and just go yeah just go yeah so i enjoyed hearing the little piece of trivia about the title of the album in that it was the french translation of the or george orwell's suggestion of the french translation

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for Animal Farm and I wanted to know if that was something you've known for a long time and said I'm gonna use that for an album title someday or if you're looking for a title and came across that bit of trivia because I'd never heard that before and it makes a great metal album title. Yeah, it was like a very small, it's a small line from an article I read a couple of years ago and I just wrote it down because it was interesting and I actually

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I thought it was good for a song title and eventually it became the title of the album because you know we didn't find a better one so but the first destination was for a song and well yes of course you never heard of it because it's it's not written anywhere except for us someplace in Wikipedia probably I don't know

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Yeah, and... I've heard you talk about the themes of the album and how this is a little more focused on political and moral and themes like that, so I thought using a George Orwell suggested title that they didn't then use was a good way to arrive at the title of the album, if that's what you're writing and singing about.

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Yeah, actually, definitely the Orwell narrative changed my life in the recent ten years. It's amazing how we could predict the future in the 50s. It's incredible. And yeah, I thought that it was perfect for the mood of the album and what I was trying to communicate with the others, to the world, you know.

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There is also this animalist message in it. Because the animal form is not only political satire, but it's also an animalist message in the novel. The way that the man exploits the animals and I'm pretty much into it and I wanted this message to go out.

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Okay. Have you ever thought about going back to your early catacomb days just for fun? Maybe just doing a little couple track return to that? I did actually. It crossed my mind to re-record the demos actually. Not to reprint them but to re-record them. To see what came out of it.

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to recreate that sound.

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But now it's lost because, you know,

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the technology has changed and we don't have those machineries anymore.

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And so, yeah, maybe in the future.

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You know what? There's some fan out there somewhere who you would make their life

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if you did something again with that.

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You know, there's always those people who hold on to those one little moment in time.

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Oh, of course, especially if it was a bonus track or something on an EP, or they would go nuts for it. Exactly. I see Travis Smith did your album artwork again. He's also done artwork for Opeth, Catatoni, and many other great bands. Did he create this based on an idea of yours, or did you just set him loose and say, surprise me with something? Actually, yes, I gave him an idea. Because we were going anywhere in the beginning,

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and nothing good was coming out. Then I came with this idea with... I actually have a Botticelli reproduction on my... in the other room. The Birth of Venus, that's what it's called, the painting. So I told him, why don't you make your version of it? And he was like, I don't do that. I mean, I am not a painter. I mean, do it your way.

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And that's what it came out. It's amazing.

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Excellent.

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Yeah.

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It's beautiful, beautiful.

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Absolutely.

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Going back to the Italian metal scene, how do you feel the Italian metal scene is today?

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Do you feel it gets as much attention as it deserves?

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Personally, I've always felt like there's so many great Italian metal bands.

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And you hear about a lot of them, but nobody goes, oh, the Italian scene like they do the Norwegian scene or the Swedish scene. And so I was just kind of curious on your take on the health of it. Because, yeah, it's like you say, because the bands here, they don't play music that is like the Norwegians, they play black metal, basically.

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Right, a particular style.

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In Italy, you know, we have this big band that is known everywhere.

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There's Lacuna Coil, and there are a couple of speed metal bands like Rhapsody of Fire that are also well-known.

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But it's two totally different genres, you know?

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There's so much good doom coming out of metal, though.

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Have you had a chance to meet Luca of Rhapsody?

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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They're having dinner later today.

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He's in the other room.

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Yeah.

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We interviewed those guys when they were here playing with Manowar like a long time ago, actually.

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Let me ask you a fun question here before John and Mark have a couple more for you.

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Since you've traveled around the world, you always hear about the food in your native country is the best in the world.

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Do you agree with that or have you, you know, in the countries you visited, eaten other places to rival food from, you know, Italy? It's not much about the quality of the food because, you know, I remember being in Norway and eating something incredible which was deer with some berries around. It was amazing. It's the culture. I mean,

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Here in Italy, it's like an art. There's people spending time on it like from when he wakes up and then they go sleeping. You know, that's an industry and then they came up with something new every day. And also there are areas of Italy where it's even better, like Sicily, for instance, or Naples. Are you a man who enjoys wine? Sorry? Do you enjoy wine? Oh, no, not much.

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Also, wine fetish here too. Extremely. So you mentioned playing a show yesterday. Was that locally or are you actually on the road right now? We are on the road, but it's a weekly tour. We go on the weekends for one month and a half. We will be hitting Italy from north to south. In October, we are going around Europe and hopefully

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We were trying to piece together whether you had been to the States in the past.

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In the States?

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Yeah, none of us have ever seen you here, which doesn't mean that you haven't been here, but you've done some tours here?

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No, never actually. That will be each time if it succeeds.

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Well, that explains it. Okay. Yeah, come on over.

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Yeah, I hope so.

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You can forget what you... You won't learn anything new about food over here though.

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Here we're all about here. Here's a 30-pound burger. Gorge yourself. Yeah. I was reading some article the other day about how everybody that comes to America, they don't understand why the portions are so big. Because it's really good. It's good. Yeah. A couple of years ago, I would be glad to come there and enjoy a big burger. Sometimes I see pictures of this incredibly big stuff. But, you know, I quit.

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Meat.

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Oh.

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Yeah, a long time ago. I mean, almost two years. So I'm not even able to enjoy this.

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Jay doesn't do meat either.

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Yeah, I don't. You'll need to bring everything canned when you come. There's a lot of vegetarian places here.

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Yeah. So when you first started playing, what bands inspired you to pick up a guitar and try to do this kind of thing?

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When I really started it was all grindcore in '88 or something. It was early nap on death, a Gapaglass, early carcass. Soon after it came the death metal scene, you know, ball thrower, untombed and all that stuff. Basically that's the core of it. I would say Iron Maiden too, but they were too technical for me. Terrorizer all the way.

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So now, is this a completely new set of musicians you're working with now? Yourself? Because there's two of you, right? That have been kind of the core for a while? Yeah. There's two of us, exactly, as you said. And also the bass player, Fabio, he is playing with us for a long time, actually, even if he's not in the band officially. But live, okay. So how is it going with the new guys that you're playing with? Is everything... I know you just said you're

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Yes, because basically it's this guy, Fabio on the bass, and two brothers, and they are November fans, so they are very glad to have this opportunity, and they're incredible musicians. So they didn't at one point actually think they knew the songs better than you, did they, since they're fans? No, no, you're playing it wrong. Carmelo would never have done that.

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You know what? That's true. They play our stuff better than us. And then we're glad of it because we can play any songs we want now. Because in the past, you know, we can't play that one. It's too difficult. That's too complicated. With these two guys, we can play anything. That's great. Are you looking at covering your whole catalog, going all the way back to the stuff in the 90s? Or is it more focused on the

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Obviously the new album and some of the more recent stuff like The Blue and Materia. No, we actually went back to the first album also. So now for Wish I Could Dream It Again from that one or the re... I guess you redid the album, didn't you? A few years after that? Yes, yes. We re-recorded it. But the songs are the same. Right. Okay. Oh, that's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went back then there and we played like two or three tracks from that album. We skipped the second.

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I already know the answer to this. Because music, especially when you started, was not, especially Metal World, was really having a rough time. In your wildest dreams, did you ever expect to be still going on in this band in the year 2016? Not at all. I wasn't even thinking that the metal scene would be

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I always thought that we would stay underground forever. We're still underground, but I mean even deeper underground.

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Yeah, like that.

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Well, hopefully you guys will get a chance to come to the States with somebody. I'm not sure if you'd have to do it, because you're with Peaceville, so I'm not sure if you'd have to do it with them, or do you have the option to come out with anybody?

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We're working on it, actually. Oh, great. We are determined to tour the States. Yeah, get a hold of Anders and be like, hey, Catatonia tour, put us on there. Yeah, but it's costly, so there are a lot of things to deal with when it comes to move our ass overseas. Yeah. Well, we'd come out and see if you're here. Yeah, definitely. You good? All right, well, do you have any other questions? No.

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All right.

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Jeez.

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I guess that'll do it.

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We want to thank you for coming on the show today.

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And yeah.

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Is there anything you want to mention before we go?

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Give me a chance to plug anything.

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No, I mean, really, thank you for having me.

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It was a really delightful chat with you guys.

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Thanks for taking the time, man.

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We know you're probably a busy guy.

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It's nice of you to spend your time with us.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Good luck.

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Okay, that was our interview with Carmelo from Novembre. Make sure to check out their new album, Ursa, from Peaceville Records. That's a big deal for us. That is a big deal. That was cool. As big a name as we've had on here thus far. And it all kind of came together by us being sought out, which is really nice. This could be a new step in our chain of evolution. Yes. And thanks to him again for... Yeah, and thanks to Brian from Fresno PR for making this happen. Yeah, that was cool.

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when you asked me, George. I was like, wow, that's a band I was in two years ago. And I've liked them ever since. You know, when I first heard them back in, what, 2001, I think. So, yeah. It was very cool to be here for that. Yeah, I remember listening to them, you know, decades ago. And it was just like, what? Yeah, we want them on. Of course. To bring it back, you know, we are drinking. You know, the guys brought some beers for us. And to answer our question that we had posed off-air recording as we're drinking a double IPA, I reached out to our resident brewer.

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At Brew Metal Will, we were wondering what makes a double IPA. He says more percent alcohol by volume. Usually more than 8%. Nothing wrong with that. And it is tasty. Thank you, sir. Mark, you want to tell us what we've had so far? Yeah. Two beers? Yeah. So I went to Forge Brew Works in Lorton, Virginia, which is in the middle of nowhere. It's in a rolled up industrial thing next to, I think, where they have a flooring store and a plumbing supply store and a brewery.

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But it's a good small little brewery in northern Virginia. If you guys recall, Will was talking about Curry's Cure. There's a woman who's the wife of a brewer there who unfortunately passed away, so they had a big event. So this brewery was near Will's former brewery, but I went to Forge Brew Works yesterday and picked up the Imperial Rye Stout and the double IPA. As I said to John, one of each, which would be IPA and then sort of stout. Because you can't go to Will's old brewery now, which we will not name, because they are,

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Now, anathema. Right. Points for using the word anathema. I like it. So there's new breweries so far from my house and their hours are limited. So I got to get there sometime when I can. But Will's old brewery was seven minutes from my house. So I was there a lot. And I will go back. I just won't talk about it. Don't ask, don't tell. Yeah, now we have to all go to Atlas in D.C. Yes, Atlas D.C. Brewery is the place to be now. And then a year from now we'll be... Fuck Atlas.

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So, Mark, we, you know, for those who don't know, again, you came to our attention when these, you know, you would reach out to us in these Spotify playlists that you would do showed up. And we're like, wow, that's fucking, you know, someone's taking a step to do this. And we touched on this when, you know, you guys were at the Slayer show. And I was not there for that. You were like, this person must be crazy to do that. But again, you followed Will on Twitter and... From his former, former brewery.

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Exactly. Oh, yes. Which we will not name also. So you started, you know, that's what got you into the pod. Yep. Since, you know, you have an open invite to be here, and our listeners will probably hear you again, when did you start listening to metal? Or was it even, was it maybe you don't even at the time consider yourself the biggest metal head? You just liked Will. Because he does have that. Because Will does have that personality. Will has that effect on Facebook. He does. And that sweet, sexy ass. He's not even here. And we're talking about him a lot.

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I thought it was cool that there was a guy posting pictures of the chalkboard on the brew tank that said this is brewed to hate breed or something. I just thought that was really cool. So no, I've always been into metal, given my age, which coincidentally is about the same as Bukes. And where I grew up was a lot of new metal, a lot of stuff that's been forgotten in Pennsylvania, which is similar to Baltimore. And there's a lot of people that like metal, but there's also a lot of people that like shitty metal.

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But there's also, like, you know, with our age, there's a lot of people who say they like metal. Right. But it's maybe that little hard rock band that screams a little. Yeah. Buke liked shitty metal when I found him. He was an urchin on the street going, please, sir, I like Pantera and a band called Flaw. Oh, I like those guys a lot, man. And I'm like, I took this poor urchin and I said, no, son, this is metal. And now you see.

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The Metal Juggernaut standing before you that I have created. And thus the birth of Buke. Yes. And then one day I will slay George. Ah, shit. And the send to the throne. Oh, it's always the time when the Padawan takes over, is there not? God damn it. So, you know, you grew up not really listening to Metal. Well, I did. I think I have just enough cred to kind of get me by with you guys. So, you, Buke had George, and now I have you guys. Exactly. To kind of help move me.

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But when I was a kid, I was in that Columbia House tape club where you get 10 tapes for a penny. I don't know if I liked the cover or what it was, and this is a preview to later, but I got Sepultura Chaos AD. Great cover. I listened to it, and I was like, oh, shit, what is this? I was probably 13 or something. What is this? And so ever since then, I've had an in-and-out interest. I've always liked Metallica, Tool, kind of more mainstream metal, and then I let it go for a while, and then about two years ago, I listened to the 2014

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Year End Show, which coincidentally was just when I was starting to say, you know, I should really listen to some more metal. I need to get back into metal. I need to get deeper and go beyond, you know, waiting for a new Tool album or something like that. Which is so you can keep waiting. Which is not going to happen. You ever seen that meme I love with on your internet? It's waiting for the new Tool album when it's a skeleton on a bench in the park. It's going to happen. I started researching how to figure out like what's new in metal and I was blown away by how much of it was out there and then two or three months later I found the Metal Heads podcast and I said, this is a

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This is exactly how I need this information filtered to me. And so I'm a total kind of poser idiot. So I appreciate you guys having me in here to kind of... I'm here to learn. I'm not going to be able to pull an album or a song title off the top of my head, but I'm along for the ride to kind of... Maybe my perspective is good where I can say... I can bring a different perspective where I'm not into it. Of course, exactly. Yeah, you're looking at Mark, you wouldn't know he likes metal. Not a stitch of black on the guy. Okay. Okay.

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Granted, none of any of the rest of us look particularly metal either, so we can't knock you there. It isn't a deep V-cut, but he's the first guy to wear a nice V-cut shirt for the podcast. If you're going to learn, you're going to get a uniform. Yeah, we're going to have to get you some kind of metal shirt. You're already also breaking the trend in studio here. He's probably wearing a large.

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I was the first double X guy.

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He's going, you're a double X, fuck you. Yes, I am. Earmuffs. Yeah, sorry. I was going through a box of my old shirts, and I have XLs that I used to wear. I have Metallica from the Justice Tour. I have XLs. My wife wore one of them for Halloween. Of course, I was hanging on her like a dress. I think my Scream for Vengeance Tour is a large or something. I was like, jeez. It's like a headband now. Hey, I feel pretty good. I've been training for Death

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You don't know this, but I've lost quite a bit of weight so far because I want to be in shape for Death Fest. You guys are looking good, man, both of you guys. I put on my 2X Ovechkin shirt for the game yesterday. 2X, not 3X. Good job. And then you checked your neighbor into his garage door. He's out for three months. You will never feel our pain of going to concerts. Oh, you might one day. And looking at shirts and being like,

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Shit! Finding out you're like the second to last date on the tour. We sold out after the third show for the double X's. And you get pissed and just turn around and won't even say thank you. I don't even bother looking at the merch most of the time because I'm like, fuck you, you don't have a 3X. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. So, you know, you found the podcast. You said it's exactly what you're looking for. Just like, you know, George and I. How has your listening been since then? Have you used this to, you know, jump off into,

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Yeah, absolutely. It was kind of opening the door to a world that I didn't know existed but kind of hoped existed. I said, holy shit, there really is some awesome metal out there that's not necessarily mainstream but it's very easily available. And so what I've really enjoyed learning is Bandcamp is an incredible tool. How easy it is to make something and put it out there. And so then seeing the amount of people that are interested in making that kind of stuff and putting it out there is absolutely incredible.

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Because some of the bands you guys have had on here are just guys who decided to make something and they're awesome. So I think that's really cool. Yeah, a couple of our lists have been dominated by bands like that. This guy's just putting it on. Is there, as you've gone on your metal journey, is there a genre you're starting to find yourself within metal drawn to? I've always been more of a fan of Doom or Stoner.

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Kiyas. So I think I have enough, you know, like my life, my life, the last 15 years are like peppered with enough metal that I can kind of reach back and find, this is not something I'm learning from scratch starting a year or two ago. I've had enough, but seeing the kind of stuff that you guys know and are able to reference is pretty cool. So I've been enjoying kind of, I have a lot of, I do a lot of Spotify, obviously. So I go back and I make a discography playlist where it's like, okay, well they talked about this band. So now I have an Aman Amarth discography playlist. And so,

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It's a lot of fun. You guys will never be able to experience this. Go back and listen to a band start to finish because you've been there the whole time. Well, there's a lot of bands that... It happens. It does happen. There's some obscure band that has five albums out that I don't find until the fifth album. And I'm like, ooh, ooh, ooh. And I know what you mean because I love going back and discovering all those albums. I mean, like Woods of E-Pray was one of those. I didn't find Woods of E-Pray until the fourth album. You and I share a lot of things similar. Our big Spotify guys,

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When you find a band on Spotify, when it's just, you know, everything's readily available at your fingertips, where do you start? If you hear us mentioning a band, do you just first album? Yeah, do you start the first album, the latest album? What do you do? If you guys talk about it, so what I listen to is mostly the list that I make, because that's how this started. I started writing scribbling notes on a piece of paper. I got to remember to listen to that, and I'll never remember that really weird name of that band. So I started writing it all down, and that's what I'd listen to. But if I happen upon something, I'll kind of a completist.

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I mean, George's house, which clearly so is he. Clearly. You've got to start at the beginning. Even if you go read the reviews or go to metal archives, well, the first two suck. Well, I've got to see where they started and what they grew into. Dangerous Waters, because I'm sure John and George, more than me, can mention an album where if that's your diving in point, you could really be like, oh, this is bad, and never go back to it again. I usually, if there's a new band that I've discovered, I usually start with the latest album.

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Because, you know, first albums, you know, they're still finding their feet and whatever. But in some cases, that might be the complete opposite. Because some bands are really good when they start, and then they get kind of shitty later on. Yeah, I do the complete opposite. And so you kind of... You do start? No, you do first? Not to cut you off there, George. What I do is, I use Rate Your Music a lot, and I'm not... I've heard you mention that before, yeah. I'm sure you guys have heard me. I'm down on ratings right now. I hate ratings on Untapped, even though

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I love the app.

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Because there's always going to be people like us who are like,

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this is just the best fucking album.

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You've got to get this.

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It's five stars.

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That's why you will never see ratings on Metal Heads.

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Because when I first started doing this 10, 12 years ago, I did ratings.

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And I was like, this is such bullshit.

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Because this album, and I'm sorry, I cut you off.

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That's fine.

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But this album, I give this album four stars.

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But I give this album five stars.

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And then a year from now, I'm like, what the fuck was I thinking?

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What's it differentiated anyway?

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Yeah.

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It's like, how do you fucking determine that? And I'm down on that because then you've got this new crop of the Yelp people. Fuck that place. Their tacos suck. And you're like, it's the best thing I've ever had. And there's a lot of, I have to be negative to look cool. But what I do is I look for the album that's rated the most. It has the highest score overall. It's funny you mentioned. That's what I do on Yelp also. I look at the most reviewed because if somebody's taken the time, they have either had a horrible experience or they've

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They had a wonderful experience if they're taking the time to at least leave a review. And I'll go through the reviews, but I look for the highest rated thing, and then I'll go from there. There was some comedian I saw recently talking, saying that somewhere out there is the doctor with the worst Yelp reviews. Like 300 ones. Yeah, I think reviews are bullshit. Well, the follow-up is that somebody has an appointment with them tomorrow. Well, you know, I look for specific things in the review. Like we mentioned about Yelp.

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If somebody's like, is this just the worst place ever? I'm like, disregarding that. If you're not going to tell me why you think it sucks. Yeah. I have purchased music, gone to see movies, whatever, based on negative reviews just because the way they described it, I was like, that's exactly what I like. Well, I agree 100%. Yeah, you're like, well, I'll show them. Yeah. Well, you know, reviews with ratings go, okay, if it's a bad review, I immediately start thinking, oh, well, somebody's got sour grapes about something.

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They're bitching. If it's a good review, I don't believe it because I think somebody paid for that review. So I don't want to know, is it good or is it bad? I just want you to tell me about it so that I go, oh, well, that is what that is. Okay, let me go look that up and check it out for myself because I don't give a shit what you think of it. Yeah, I just look for what's been reviewed the most when it comes to albums. I say, okay, a lot of people have looked at this album or have listened to it or was this the big push album for a band? So I want to hear that first. Then I start to kind of just bounce around.

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I start reading actual band bio reviews more than I do band album reviews to hear about how they change. Because quite honestly, if you listen to Anathema now versus in 94, you'd be like, what the hell? Exactly. They went from a death doom band to kind of uplifting prog rock. Yep. Yeah. And so that's a case where if you just listen to them now, you wouldn't know that they were actually metal at one point. This band is horrible now. Or you might say, this is the greatest band ever. What's that shit they played in 95? Yeah. Yeah. I start, though, just to kind of,

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I start with the new thing, whatever it is. So if there's some band I'm told to listen to, I'll go out and see what's their latest record. What does that sound like? Do you think there's people out there who, if they hear the new thing, like a Megadeth, they're like, man, this is great. And then they hear the early stuff, like a Peace Cells or something. They're like, man, this is shit. Yeah. And then you're like, well, you're obviously not a Megadeth fan. Because Peace Cells is bad fucking ass. I feel like we kind of hijacked where Mark was going and went on this long tangent. Do you remember where we were?

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Oh, you were asking me, where do I start? What am I doing to kind of figure all this out? So now 10 minutes later, getting back to his answer. I think it's awesome to hear how passionate you guys are about all this stuff. Whatever you guys are doing is clearly working, at least on me. You hear how interested you guys are in this in that it kind of inspires me to then be like, well, I should be interested in that too. My listening to list is all the stuff like, well, you said I really should listen to this and you said I should really listen to this.

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to this. People whose tastes you respect, you're like, well, if Jay says it's good, I should probably listen to it. But there's also room for discussion where you can say, well, no, you like it, but I don't. So I don't know what you're thinking. I'm too much of a, I like everything. Sure. Nothing wrong with that. But you said people whose tastes you respect it, were you including Buke in that? That's a good point. That's a great point. That's not a good point. Well, that's funny because there's now Buke's just, maybe he's into it now, I don't know.

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But there's now he's been bitching about the last few episodes that he doesn't like. And I'm just so in camp with him on that. The anthrax. Yes. I was going to bring it up at some point. John, you disappoint me. How could you not love that out? Mark, new anthrax. I think it's really good. Yes. John, you disappoint me. I'm just not into him. Well, I'm even worse than the new Megadeth.

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I just don't care. Yeah, I can understand that. And it can be awesome, I just don't care. Yeah. You have reasons, which we've spoken of before. Maybe this is the difference between me and you guys. You guys have lots of baggage with Anthrax. We're like, well, okay. I now have this whole discography I have to compare it to, and the last album I have to compare it to, so what do I think relative to all of that? And I have worship music, and I listened to it once or twice a couple years ago, and I'm like, okay, yeah, that was really good. But I don't have everything along the way, and I remember

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their albums from a long time ago. So I just basically bought a new CD, popped it in, and I was like, this is fucking awesome. It may not be great relative to all this other stuff, but I think it's really good. I think this album is the Iron Maiden of 2006. I love the Iron Maiden, too. So, John? No, no, I think it's going to have that kind of dichotomy of hatred or love it. I think our seating arrangement works just fine. This side of the table likes it, that side of the table can fuck off. Maybe it's because I haven't been the biggest anthracite

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I was a huge Anthrax fan. Might be that too. Alright. Well, why don't we move on? Mark was recently in Chicago and had opportunity to see Iron Maiden on their latest tour who as of yet is not scheduled to come to our town. First I think we should point out that he asked us. Should he go? Did you ask

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because you knew you were going to do it, but this is kind of like that reassurance, like, okay. Should I? Yeah, should I, right? Of course you should. Get your bitch ass over that stadium right now. Well, I think I had a little bit of fear. The reason I didn't wear a band shirt, not that I have that many, but I said, well, what I pick is going to say something about me. So just wear a red shirt. You know what happens on Star Trek when you wear a red shirt.

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You die.

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So I was looking for a little bit of validation because I told my wife and she said, who's Iron Maiden?

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And I said, all right, fine.

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Okay.

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Jeez.

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Then I explained it to her.

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She's like, oh, okay, okay.

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But yeah, I was looking just for a little bit of validation.

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But if somebody said, no, no, no, just pass.

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They're not cool, man.

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Don't worry about it.

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That's one of the greatest shows you'll ever go to.

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Regardless of what you think of their new album, Iron Maiden in concert is fucking amazing.

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It doesn't even matter what they play for the tour.

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I mean, what is it, a couple years ago they did everything from the last three albums? Yeah. And it was a great show. I loved that tour of myself. It was a super show. And sprinkled in a few hits here and there, and it was great. I loved it. So I would have been very surprised if somebody said, nah, it's not worth it. I was pretty much blaming it. Was it your first time seeing that? Yes. Period. Who opened for them? I don't know, I missed it. One of the children's bands. The Ravens. Something, Creed or something. Yeah. Which is part of the story, which is a good story, which is less about Iron Maiden and more about

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about what I'm enjoying from having met you guys and meeting people going to metal shows. Does anyone want to get into it? Proceed. Please. So I was traveling for work, and whenever I do that, I go to my Bands in Town app, which says, okay, here's who's playing. And usually I'm like, ah, I'm not going to go out of my hotel room for that. I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to drink six IPAs and go to sleep. And I said, Iron Maiden, I have to go. I have nothing else going on. What do I got to do? So I went to Craigslist. It was sold out naturally. And I started finding tickets.

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And there were plenty available, but the interesting thing was they did this thing that I'd never heard of where if you're on the floor, you have to walk in with your credit card in your hand that you used to buy the ticket. I've heard that, yeah. So every Craigslist listing said, you'll meet me and my friends outside the United Center. You'll meet us at this bar. You're going to meet us and then we're all going to go in. You couldn't just hand off the tickets. So I finally found a guy who was desperate enough to sell them and all of his friends bailed on him. So shout out to Terry, Othermark, and Devin.

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I told him to listen. I said, here, Metalhead's podcast, just remember it like three weeks from now. Find it. We'll probably be talking about this. So I found a guy selling his floor seats, and he sold them to four other guys, two of whom were friends. We met at the Billy Goat Tavern across from the United Center. Which is, by the way, a famous place in the city, I believe. It looked like it from what I could tell. Well, there's Jordan statues out front. Yeah. And so this place, I think the guy who owns the Billy Goat Tavern was in there.

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I saw the empty boxes. I think they had a bunch of Trooper Ale brought in.

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The music was cranked up really loud. It was a real scene. It was really something I was excited about when I saw it.

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So I met all of these guys, and they were in no hurry to go in the show. So I just got to hang out with these five random dudes.

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So what I've been telling people is, you know, the world's a fucked up place.

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And so it's really nice when it's not, and you just meet five strangers who are like,

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hey, let's just hang out, drink six beers, and then we'll go into this concert together.

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That's metal for you. That's metal for you. That's why we love doing this.

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Exactly. So all these guys were talking about how many times they'd seen Iron Maiden, where they'd seen him, how long ago. One of the other guys hadn't seen them before. So it was cool just to meet random dudes. Everybody was buying rounds. We walked into the show together and then kind of lost them shortly after that. But it was nice just to meet some cool people and go see that show. The bar was, like I said, the music was cranked up. Everybody had a Maiden shirt on. So it was more than just the show. It was kind of the entire experience. You've got to go to Death Fest with us. That is a big

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Part of Death Fest is you just walking around meeting people. Yeah. And it was a lot of fun. And the show was awesome. I brought the set list, which was really good. Yes, let me ask you that. Please. So after having seen Slayer a month ago, it was the second time in a row. And this is probably what you do when you get there. Jay, it would be interesting to see. Jay, their fourth track, Tears of a Clown. I like that song. It's about Robin Williams. Yeah. That was one of your guys' favorite tracks off the new album. Bruce did a good long speech.

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Ahead of it. You see that? None of the more recent albums. No. It has a chart. Yeah, that's a new feature I think they've added recently, isn't it? So it tells you the percentage breakdown by album. Yeah. Interesting. Based on people knowing the band. Wow. Okay. I think the Closer is the most interesting thing on the tour. What is it? Wasted Years. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I assume Iron Maiden is opening. Oh, so that's what I was saying. The Encore Closer. Yeah, Closer is like running free or running to the hills.

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I've got too much IPA. They close with Iron Man. Always close Iron Man. But the encore closes. I'm thinking opening because of all the like before music. But yeah. But the opening was most recent album track one which is the same as the Slayer concert they did. So they did fucking Eternity? Yeah. Oh that's such a good song. It was a good song. It was a great start and the sets were cool. They just had these curtains that kept like swapping in with the different scenes painted on them. Bruce runs around like a madman. It was great. You commented about the costume changes that he does.

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That's a great list other than Blood Brothers I don't care about. That's what I was afraid of. Check out Bruce. Yes, Mark. We know he does that all the time. Hey, check out Bruce. Yeah, he wears that every time. No, he doesn't. I had to call George out on that. George, you were thinking he was talking about the feather mask, right? Yes. He never wears a wrestling mask. Wearing a wrestling mask. Oh, yes. Sorry. During Power Slave, he puts the feather mask on. Well, it wasn't a real close picture, so I just assumed it was the feather mask.

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I mentioned that at the time and I assume that's exactly why you thought but yeah no he was wearing like a what do you call it what was the name of him? Lucha Libre Mexican wrestling mask. Nacho Libre okay sorry no I didn't I couldn't tell I just assumed that was the only mask he wore. Oh it was very cool and they were loud and on point it's cool to be in a place like Chicago like you said they're not playing in DC and just going to a place like Chicago this is a real city that would draw Iron Maiden where Washington DC is not but they draw well here. I'm sure they would.

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Hello Chicago sounds a lot different than Hello Jiffy Lube Live. Hello Bristow, Virginia. Actually, I think Bruce was pretty good last time. I think he said Hello DC Metro and Northern Virginia. He actually was pretty good about it. Zero Politics from him too, which was awesome, which I really love when bands come here and don't say anything about DC being the capital. I love it. Yeah, like when I saw Madonna, she was all very political about Mr. Obama. But it was great.

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I just to let you know not only did I go see Madonna but I just

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like two weeks ago or a week ago

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went to see Duran Duran. How was that?

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It was fucking awesome. See that's why I wanted

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to do that other top three.

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Yeah. Duran Duran are awesome.

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In the 80s I hated that.

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So did I. It wasn't until the 90s they actually started to

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appreciate. Yeah they were the anti

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because all the people in my school that I

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hated were Duran Duran fans.

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You know what turned me on? I saw Power Station

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Live. Oh, man.

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And they are like, those guys from Duran Duran play rock.

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Well, one of these days, I'm going to do a remake because my favorite song by Duran Duran is Rio.

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Because it's just so catchy as fuck.

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But I'm going to do a remake of it.

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And it's going to be, his name is Dio and he prances on the stage.

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Of course, you'll have to talk to Wendy to see if we have to pay royalties for that.

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Yeah.

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Carry on, Mark.

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Where was I? So we went into the show. It was excellent. It really was. It was fun to see them. George and I were just talking outside. He said he gets goosebumps when he sees Iron Maiden, and I did too, because you'd feel the vibe of the place. It's a fucking spectacle too, right? It was. That's why I wanted you guys to all say, yeah, just go. You just have to go. That's why I knew that I had to, because it was something you have to see before you die. So now in the last month, I've seen Slayer and Iron Maiden for the first time, which is pretty good.

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Goddamn cool. But the show was great and they had a lot of great energy. Bruce was great. I like how he dresses like a teenager. He just had cargo pants and a hoodie. I'm Bruce Dickinson. I'm going to do what I want. For years he would wear camo pants and a holster. What? There's no spandex now which is good. Yes. Thank God. When does he fucking sleep? While he's flying? He puts it on autopilot and gets a few hours.

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But it's great to see all the imagery and the video boards and the sets and the whole thing was very, very cool. The trooper when they're doing the flag. How about the energy for guys that age? It's unbelievable. They have better energy than guys two-thirds their age up on stage. They really do, especially Bruce. And I will put them together with the Slayer show because they were both within the same six-week period. Seeing bands like that pour that amount of professionalism into a show like that.

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is really something to see. They could have given it up a long time ago, but to come out and just blow out the 15,000-person basketball arena in Chicago and really mean it is something very cool. Let me ask you guys an interesting question here. We see bands who are still able to perform into their twilight years. Would there come a time when our bands, because I think to our detriment being metal fans, I don't know if we can get the same

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Same life out of the bands that we like. You already see what Opeth has done with Mike not doing the growling vocals. I think if he hasn't come out and said it often, I don't think he can really do it much anymore. Because I don't know if you've ever seen the walk-in live stuff he did with Bloodbath. He sounded horrible. That was rough. Really rough on that. I think he picks and chooses his places now when he can. I don't think a lot of the heavy bands like that

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that do a lot of the screaming with the vocals. We're not going to get to see them. But it's a different world too, Buk, because they all don't have retirement money like Arden Maiden does. I mean, sooner or later, a lot of the bands we love are going to have to make a choice. And you're right, they'll be getting to their peak, so they won't be able to perform quite the way they do. And these guys are living paycheck to paycheck too. So at some point, a lot of these guys are going to be like, fuck it, I better just get a job with fucking, you know. Yeah, because they're like, hey, sadly I wasn't making money with it when I was 20, 25, 30. Why do

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When it's harder now, it's 60. I'm tired. Like that classic band, Thy Art, Thy Murder, Art, Art, Murder, whatever they are. Whatever the fuck they are. That band that sucks, you know, that their singer quit because he couldn't make any money. Boo-hoo. Like, okay. Could you see Cannibal Corpse still out there touring when you're in their 50s? Funny, that's almost the first one I thought of. They're probably in their 50s. They're probably in their 50s. Okay, 60s. 60s? Yeah, I don't know. They'll be pushing it. Yeah, when they're like, you know, 65 and, you know. Mama, fall in my boy.

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But a 65-year-old Rolling Stones or the Eagles, you're like, oh, okay, cool. I mean, Mick Jagger's 70-plus, dude. Who would ever think that sports athletes would be the model for medal? That if you were smart early on, you would get into broadcasting, get into being an agent or something, so that when you retired, you transitioned. At what point did these guys transition maybe to label work or promotion? You're exactly right, Jim. I mean, look at Dave Elveson was working. Yeah, exactly.

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before he came back to Megadeth. That's Megadeth, dude. To the harm of our artists that we enjoy, the music world is changing where possibly a lot of those jobs aren't even there. So you look at a lot of hockey players, for example. They get out of hockey, they go into scouting or agent work. They work in their front office for the team. That's probably the hardest of the major sports because there's not the TV contracts like the NFL has.

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So what do you do if you've been, even no band will ever be like Iron Maiden Metallica again? I don't think so. Not metal. Even you look at Akrafel, what does he do? I think Mike's got money. Mike, I think, does already because he's been the main focus of that band. What does he do 20 years from now? I think he keeps just writing music. I think that's all he wants to do. He'll be writing his first symphony. He'll do the proggy thing. He can do the proggy thing forever. Yeah, Jay's right. He can run with that and go all different directions. It's kind of like Catatonia?

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has done now,

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changed the style of,

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almost like a Steve Wilson style,

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get into something a little more easier to play into your later years.

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Well,

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Steve Wilson,

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the advantage he has is he's one of the best producers out there for that,

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for those genres.

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So he can,

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and he's one of the best mixers.

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So he can do that,

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but that's like you were saying,

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that's few and far between now.

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Yeah.

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So that's something to think about when he was mentioning,

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you know,

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Mark is mentioning these guys playing when they're older.

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They were,

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you couldn't tell the difference.

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And,

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but the thing about them being older and one of the fun things that I noted,

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I was talking to people after the show. A lot of people had seen them for the first time. But then I saw a lot of children and kids in the 8 to 12 year old range. I've been to shows, I see kids like that, but I was walking up the steps after the show and I see this guy with his son who's probably no older than 10 and I tapped him on the shoulder and I was like, what does he think of this? Does he think this is cool? What does he think? And this is a credit to you guys for what you're putting out there. He said, oh, him? He's seen Iron Maiden 8 times. He's seen

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Jack Wild twice. He's seen this band, this band, this band, this band. And he's a speed metal drummer. Now, I'm a guitarist, but I'm not very good. He's such a good speed metal drummer that I can't keep up with him anymore. Wow. And so maybe all of this will kind of turn over where 11-year-old kids now are speed metal drummers and there's going to be a whole new movement towards, I don't know, something else. I can't remember, but from my recollection, the crowds at Iron Maiden shows are not a lot of the young fans.

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It's pretty diverse

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That's a mix

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It's a mix I think

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Yeah

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This was also Chicago, Illinois

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So who knew

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The demographics of the city you're in at play

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I don't know

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The last time I played here

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There was a huge mix of

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Yeah

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I don't remember

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A lot of kids

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But a lot of old folks

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Yeah

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Like us

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Boy that's a Rand to Rand show

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Made me feel old

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I'm like

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I'm like picturing all these people

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30 years ago

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In like middle school

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High school

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With their 80s hair

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And their 80s clothes

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And now they're all like

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I'm old

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And I'm like

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Wait

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I'm old

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Fuck

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Yeah you are

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When did I become the old guy at the show? I didn't notice it. There were some young people there, but it was mostly old people. That was probably one of the shows that made me feel the oldest that I've been to. That's rough. Yeah. But John, I'm not going to try to transition us, but I'm going to transition us. Because you went to a show too, and I'm kind of keen to hear about it because you talked about it briefly before the show. Yeah, DC Brow's fifth anniversary. DC Brow, if you're not from around here, is a brewery. In DC. That's what they're called. That's what they're called.

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The Brewery here in the area that kind of reinvigorated

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They're one of the new originals, yeah.

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Yeah, I guess you can call it that.

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Port City in Alexandria and I'd say D.C. Brow.

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And D.C. Brow were the two first, yeah.

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They did their first anniversary for their fifth anniversary.

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The first kind of get-together was five bands and a bunch of beer.

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They collaborated with other great breweries around the country.

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And it was a lot of fun.

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So The Sword was the headline.

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I honestly can't tell you all the names. I can't remember the one band's name. I know that Torch. Cavalier Tech was there. Thank you. I couldn't remember the name. Torch. Torch was there. Serpent Throne. Awesome. And then something boys. I'm sorry. I can't remember their name. Boys to Men? No. That's too bad. You could have liked that. I would have liked that. And I went with our own Brew Metal Will. He and I went and we met with some people you guys have met. Dr. Lang. Dr. Lang. Dr. Lang and her husband. We were there. Hung out with them. Saw boatloads of people. We knew Metal Chris was

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there, obviously. Of course. You know, and the joke running the whole time was, other than the two owners or the owners from D.C. Brown, Middlecris, who knows more people at this event, it was Will. Of course. One brewer, one dude, he went to a show, it's just one after another. That's like it was at barbecue. He knew so many people at barbecue. We're in fucking Richmond and literally within walking through. I'll be right back. I gotta go talk to that guy. I gotta talk to this guy. Literally, he leaves us and is going in these trailers. Yeah, but to his credit,

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Every time he came back he goes, dude, I got you a beer. But it was good. It was a fun time. It was their celebration. And there's some good beers. They had some good food trucks there. DC Slices, you can't go wrong with them. We talked about here, you know, early episodes of the pod. The Sword is a band that George and I at one point liked and then we kind of got off of. That last album just kind of blows. Warp Riders was my... Yeah, I loved everything up to Warp Riders.

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I thought Apocrypha was good. I thought that was good too. Yeah. But the new one was just like. Yeah, it was horrible. How was the reception for them? Because I remember when they came out on the open for Metallica. I think really to their credit, Guitar Hero really put them over the top because Freya was on that game and that kind of, you know. They're great live. There's no, even with the new stuff, they're still great live. That's good. I was wondering. But I just not big on the new stuff, but. Are people excited for them? Oh yeah. For like an hour and what, 40 minutes? They just. And it's nonstop.

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They don't stop, they just keep playing and keep playing. Thank you. Right back in. It's nice that the brewery is obviously fans of heavier music, like so many breweries that we know. I think Brandon's a huge Sword fan. Was it all metal? It was all metal bands? Yeah, I mean, Will was going nuts for Torch. He's kept, oh, look at him playing that top string the whole time. And they were heavy as anything. And it was fun. What about Serpent Throne? Serpent Throne, that's the band I went to see and they were awesome. I loved them.

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The 70s inspired doom slash I don't even think stoner rock existed back then but it had that kind of feel the whole 70s kind of kind of kind of like Sabbath meets like the first two iron maiden record yeah throwing with the uh sexploitation 70s artwork kind of thing not that they do that but it's I have that feel it just feels like that a little bit to me and uh it was good I enjoyed it and I think we will enjoy seeing them at uh Maryland Death Fest what was the makeup of the crowd one of my top threes what's that

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Hold on, what's that, Jay? That's one of my top three most anticipated. I'm looking forward to Destroyer 666. Yeah. Serpenthron, way up there. Yeah. You know what? I was going to be the only ones, but fuck it. And they're a nice break because at some point, you know, you're going to say, okay, I want to shift from the blast beats to something a little different. Well, you guys were talking about that last time. There were bands that were strategically placed in the lineup that kind of gave you that change of pace, but we're still rock. Now, when I normally go to, like, you know, I'm sure you have, you know, you go to DC Brow for tours, you get like about five

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five tickets or so four tickets were they doing any of that yesterday was it just buy beer but the prices were more reasonable yeah so they they had two types of tickets or regular tickets like i had which was whatever plus the exorbitant fees for whatever agency was selling them and then you could buy vip passes where you got to to get unlimited access to all the collaboration beers i had a regular ticket i may have gotten access to some of the collaboration beers from some people i knew not naming names um and all the it was great so yeah it was i think it was i

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I assume it was reasonably priced for them. So it was successful enough that you could maybe see them if not like every five years maybe. Oh maybe yearly like a DC broad metal. I would love if they could. I know that's a boatload of work they put into this. I mean they really. I bet it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know and they've been a very successful brewery and I think I said no less than five times they need to do this. There needs to be a sixth anniversary party. A yearly thing. It has to be because it was the only place where there was metalheads and beer drinkers and yeah it's DC. We're going to have that.

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quote-unquote crowd that you don't want to hang out with because they're just going just because it's an event. It's like the LA effect basically, you know, or the New York City. But with that said, it still was fun. And I think that's what you're at about the crowd makeup. Yeah, there was, I can't tell you how many guys and how many girls I've seen at shows. We've all seen umpteen number of times. And we're like, that's the guy we saw at that show. I know this guy over here. Tons of that. And then there was the beer crowd only there too. Bjorns and I have one guy who was at all shows for probably

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five, six years. He would always show up. We'd always talk to him. And then the Manowar show. And then the Manowar show came. And he just, we never saw him again at another show. He may be doing five to ten or more right now. The Manowar show where we interviewed Rhapsody, as a matter of fact, was at a sonar in Baltimore. And, you know, Manowar was playing and there was this drunk guy who was like, you know, the guy that's at the show. The guy who's whipping his hair around and is hitting you in the eye. And he's just hitting people that don't want to be

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There wasn't that many people there. The guy who's by himself. The guy that we knew. He was kind of muscular. Long blonde hair. It was easy to recognize. He kept bumping into it. He turned around and shoved him. The guy just kept getting up on him. He turned around and shoved him hard. The dude just turned into a plank. Fell straight down and cracked his head open on the fucking

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Pissed himself.

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Bukk was all like...

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I carried him out like, Jesus Christ.

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He pissed himself and cracked his head on the floor.

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The police came.

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I had to give a statement.

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Yeah, we both gave statements about this.

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We were like, yeah.

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We were very like, he deserved what he got.

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This guy was just trying to get the guy off him.

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But we never saw him again at his show.

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So for all we know, he got arrested.

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Or he just quit.

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Yeah, that's it. I'm done with metal. I have to tell you just a brief story about that guy. The first time I saw Opeth on the Deliverance tour, a friend of mine and I went and saw him at the Pound, John. This was a few years back, but we were talking on the way to the show like, there's always that guy. There's always some drunk fucker who's just having a better time than everybody else. But anyway, we went to the show and we were so excited to see Opeth for the first time.

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time. It got really fucking blasted and blah, blah, blah. Long story short, when we were going home in the car, my friend goes, you know what, dude? We were that guy tonight. And you had a blast. We had a blast. I hope they do it again. Will and I had a blast. We drank a lot of good beer, hung out with some good friends. I know you explained this setup earlier, but when they opened up the doors and stuff, was it like you could freely walk around outside? Did they have like their normal

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food trucks like they do yeah they had i think they had like four or five food trucks yeah so some good food and we got there actually while the first band was playing and we just kind of walked in there was actually no need to leave if you're familiar with the setup there it's it's a industrial park dc industrial park a little different so it's older style and it's all behind the building they had the whole parking lot there was no need to even walk up to the street or anything you guys like their beer it's good beer yeah it is if you like hoppy stuff it's it's they're

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On the Wings of Armageddon is probably our whale, Jay, in this area, that people outside of the D.C. area want to get, of all the breweries. There's a couple in Virginia that people want to get, but from D.C., that's the top beer, I think. That's the one. Yeah, every restaurant in D.C., every bar, they're kind of the leading edge of D.C. brewery, so it's everywhere. But they do it well enough that they deserve to be everywhere. And strangely enough, they're in Virginia, but not as much as you think. In here, you can only get the public.

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Yeah.

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And the corruption.

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Yeah.

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Maybe Pancor or Porter.

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Once in a while, yeah.

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Once in a while.

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And they have an interesting business model.

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It's working for them.

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They're doing well.

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It's good for them.

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Right on.

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Congratulations on the fifth anniversary.

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Happy birthday to you.

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All right.

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Before we get into the news, I want to point out that this, a couple days ago, three, four days ago,

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We marked the sixth year without Peter Steele in the world anymore. It was the sixth anniversary of the passing of Peter Steele. And, you know, it's funny because we've lost a lot of people in metal. I mean, obviously we just lost Lemmy and I'll probably be marking that one too. But the two people that I always, every year, notice the anniversary is Peter Steele and Ronnie James Dio. And six fucking years without Peter Steele, that just...

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When he died, I don't remember hearing the same pouring. I remember it pretty well. Not like Jimmy or Dio level. Typo Negative was a big band, but not on the same level financially. Was Typo Negative a big band outside of the States too? Yeah, I'm sure they were. They used to headline some big festivals with the last record. I remember it kind of blew up a little bit.

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I remember reading all the tweets and shit and I remember Geezer Butler like said something

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really fucking nice that he loved Peter and he knew him as a friend and he always was excited for their next record and that's just one guy but I mean there was a lot of a lot of stuff I miss him I fucking loved typo negative yeah I'm so fucking creative I wanted to recount a story from typo negative it was my favorite story to tell about them when I first encountered typo negative was probably when a lot of people first learned about them

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was when the Bloody Kisses album came out and the video for Black No. 1 hit MTV. This was before the album even dropped. And I saw the video for this song and I was like, that is what I am into now. That is a good fucking song. And I kept going into the music stores and bugging them. I'm going, when's this typo negative album going to drop? And they're like, come back. And so I finally got this. And I just, I love that album so much. And one of my favorite shows of all time,

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was seeing Typo Negative on the Bloody Kisses tour with Life of Agony on the River Runs Red tour. I can't remember the... I want to say it was like Capitol Ballroom or something, but I'm being influenced by DC. This was in Flint, Michigan. Yes, the place with the fucking water that kills you. And I remember standing outside the show waiting to get in and looking at the bullet holes and the signs on the side of the road. And we were waiting to get in and we heard them sound checking. And Peter was like,

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Yeah.

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But without the question mark.

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I was very confused walking into this show because everybody was milling around in the lobby.

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I'm like, go in and sit down.

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God damn it.

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We never went in and sat down.

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The show was in the fucking, it's like, you know, go over and get a popcorn and there's the band, you know.

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It was in the fucking lobby and that was, it was wild.

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It was, I've never seen anything like that before.

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And, you know, Life of Agony at the time was one of my favorite bands.

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River Runs Red, one of my all-time favorite albums.

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And of course, Bloody Kisses was also probably one of my all-time favorite albums. And it was just so unusual. And I remember Peter coming on and say, before they played Black No. 1, he was like, in his New York accent that I'm going to butcher. Oh, here we go. I wrote four notes and made a million dollars. Next time, I'm going to write eight. And that is Peter's deal for me, remembering something like that.

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And it was just one of those shows that stuck in my mind. So thank you, Peter, for all the music. And we miss you. I definitely had that album. I don't have a verse metal history, but I mentioned the Columbia House Club before. That was one that they would always put on the front page to the point that I finally bought it. So that's one I certainly remember. Well, I would recommend World Coming Down. I would recommend the last one, Dead Again. They didn't really make bad records. No, yeah. Life is Killing Me. Yeah, Life is Killing Me.

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I mean it was really good. October roast. That was one of my, um, Dead Again was one of my vinyl holy grails until I picked it up. I mean, and I, I spend that all the time. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. That's a nice little box set. George, I thought there was a book coming out. Yes. I saw it on Facebook. It's like, oh, what the fuck was it called? But it was like unauthorized. Yeah. But it's about his last days kind of thing, if I'm not mistaken. It has a title that I think is from, um, Tripping a Blind Man. It might be, I, I can't remember. Anyway, I've been waiting for that book and I keep not, not seeing it. So whatever. Yeah.

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Yeah, rest in peace, Peter. Yes, we miss you. With that big fucking schlong of his that was killing it. Yeah, that's the only time I've ever looked at Playgirl. I was like, Peter steals in Playgirl. I gotta see what he's packing. That is George's fandom level there. Checking out Fangirl to see his fangirl. Playgirl. I went to check it out. I mean, it's just like it was such a weird thing. Yeah, checking it out on the store, though, you know, you're like, okay, I gotta make sure nobody

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Sees me looking at this magazine. I'm going to drive across town and go to the bookstore, the B. Dalton on the other side of town. Yeah, but I was like, damn, dude. Good job. After that, the guitarist told him, you know, more men look at that magazine than women. And so on the next record, and I forget which one it is, there's a song on there called I Like Goyles. Yeah, that was his response to the oops. I didn't know I was kind of in a gay magazine there. Yeah. All right, let's get into some news finally.

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The news of the day that broke overnight that everybody's talking about right now is the fact that Brian Johnson is out of ACDC and Axl Rose is in for the remaining. Don't make it seem like he's kicked out of the group. No, he is. I don't know if you read the article. I didn't read it.

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But basically it said we wish Brian

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Well in his future endeavors

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He's out of the band

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And Jay and I were talking about this a little while ago

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Because there was also

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A post about

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Coachella

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And Angus came up with Guns N' Roses

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And they played some songs

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More than I expected too actually

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Didn't they? Like three or four songs?

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Well they did too but they were cool songs too

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They did Riff Raff, Well and Whole Lotta Rosie

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Which is like of course whatever

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But riffraff, they went deep. And I gotta tell you, I wrote to George because I was like, dude, this kind of brings a Bon Scott vibe back to the band. Yeah, it was definitely, I listened to it, and it was definitely more of a Bon Scott than a Brian Johnson, to be sure. And, you know, I mean, that's probably just based on Axl's singing style. But yeah, it was definitely more old school. And I would guess that that's probably part of why they went with Axl. I think so.

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If we're going to replace Brian, who most people know, let's do something that sounds a lot more like Bon Scott, and we can make this really retro, and the old fans will get into it. I don't know. I mean, I'm not opposed to them doing this. What bothers me is the fact that they just kick Brian Johnson to the curb after 36 years without even giving him a say in the matter. They say, oh, well, Brian was losing his hearing, and his doctor said he

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shouldn't go out on the road anymore. According to Jim Brewer, this is all hearsay. Speaking about that, you guys ever seen his hokey pokey? You put your left foot in! According to sources, Brian never said, hey, I'm going to leave the band or I'm not going to do these shows anymore. He said, hey, this is what the doctor said and let's talk about this. The next day they released a statement saying that Brian Johnson couldn't

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with the band anymore. He loses his hearing and go deaf. And now he's out of the band. And I just think that's kind of shitty after 36 years. But we have talked about this in the past. The rest of these members, now, yes, their royalty monies can carry them for the rest of their lives. No, not some of them. Angus and who was that? Is Cliff still in the band? I think it's those two. That's it. Yeah. Okay. What do you expect them to do? Just say, hey. They could be like, okay, Brian, what do you want to do? Don't you think the conversation happens? I'll say, you know.

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Not to cut you off, Jay, I think this is a strange case because there's been so much turmoil surrounding band members. You've got the Phil Rudd stuff going on. You've got his brother getting sick. And at what point do you say, maybe we just back off? Let's wrap it up. You know, I'll say this. One thing I was really surprised to read was a quote by Brian Johnson recently when he said he never felt like he was anything more than a hired gun after all those years. So he was kind of in a Jason Neustadt type situation and I had no fucking idea.

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that that was true. Would the band have been better off

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stopping then? Does it look better to save face and say

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hey okay what this is what happened? We're just done. Angus Young has always been the young guy

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in the band and so the other people in the band are older. Angus is only like maybe

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60? Yeah. He's the youngest definitely. And so you know he's probably

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got another five. He's a spring chicken. But compared to the other guys he's probably got another

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five ten years in him anyway. You know

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And so he wants to keep milking this for as long as he can. And I understand that. But come on. Why? I mean, there must have already been bad blood between Brian and the rest of the band. There has to have been. Because they didn't need something else. For them to not even be like, okay, Brian, what would you like to do? You know, we want to do what's best for the band and the fans. They were just like, boom, okay, fine. This is our excuse. You're out of here. Let's bring in somebody else. This is not comparable at all. But I look at like Rush. They literally called it a day for the most part.

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because Neil can't play anymore. He's tendonitis in his shoulder. But they didn't say, oh, we're quitting. They just said, eh, might not happen. And then they eventually just said, probably not going to happen. But it kind of just quietly faded out. I think that's a highly relevant example, John, because not unlike Brian, Neil was not an original member of that band, as weird as that seems. He said he will always be the new guy, as weird as that fucking sounds. And that's the joke in the band. 40 years later, well, the

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new guy in the band writes the lyrics. But it is true, though. There's a perfect example. Do you guys think Bruce Dickinson doesn't get this shit? No. Probably not. Outside of Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson's the face of the band. Yeah, he is. I don't think he does get that shit. I think you're right. Yeah, I don't think he's treated that way. Because they seem to get along a lot better. Yeah, but Brian... They do. Who's the face of ACDC? Him and Angus. Exactly. The two of them. I know he's not the original

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But he's an iconic voice

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He is, and that's why I'm kind of pissed

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that I'm treating him so badly

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The thing is, too, his voice

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is ACDC

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Axl is nowhere near that

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He's more like

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Bon Scott, like Jay was saying

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As weird as this sounds

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this is going to sound so strange, but I have little to no interest

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in the Guns N' Roses thing

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But you're interested in this?

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Suddenly, yeah, because I watched those videos

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And I was like, holy fuck, that was pretty cool. I thought it sounded really good. And what's weird is he's been doing this with Guns N' Roses for a while, hasn't he? Haven't they been covering ACDC at shows here and there? I think so, yeah. When Axel's in the mood. Here's my question, though. So you're going to an ACDC show, you're like, well, this is kind of cool. Axel's going to sing. Are you waiting like three hours for him to come on stage? I wonder. Angus walks out, well, sorry, but Axel's pissed. That's my horrible accent there, sorry. That was good.

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That's a good question. That was a bad accent, John. I think that we might be at a new Axl Rose era now. I think the problem was he used to smoke and drink too much, and I think he doesn't do that now. I think that the late shows might be a thing of the past, believe it or not. Well, they did a good job on their first show at the Troubadour where they showed up an hour late. I didn't know that. Okay, I take it back. They said sometime after 11 p.m., and I think they rolled on at midnight. That's early for them. Is that what we all think? A year from now, we're going to be like, hey,

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and that went great. Do you really imagine yourself thinking that a year from now? Where's James Hetfield saying, what about Montreal? That's a reasonable question, Mark, I have to say. Until you sort of said it like that, I sort of thought this was going all right. But no, that's like saying, you know, Ruck of Helford reconverted back to, you know. To being straight. Yeah. So what's the overlap between,

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these ACDC dates and the Guns N' Roses stuff. I believe the ACDC shows finish up at such a time that Guns N' Roses can then go out on tour after. But Coachella is this weekend, next weekend? They did it. It's over, right? That's what I thought. The ACDC shows are in May in Europe. Okay. Yeah, which I don't know why I said about it. Guns N' Roses is the U.S. in June, right? June and July, yeah. We shall see. Speaking of Metallica, they celebrated Record Store Day with an in-store

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at Rasputin Music in Berklee, California. Do we know anybody from Berklee, California? Oh, wait, Jay. I've been there. John and I went there together. But I bet you weren't there yesterday, were you? Nope. I was at the beach, but I'll tell you this. To get tickets, you had to go down to Rasputin and fill out a lottery thing. The tickets were free, but you had to win one. And then likewise, they gave some to fan club members. I wasn't even going to get

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near the fucking place. It's about two miles from my house, maybe three. I do know, as one interesting note, Cliff Burton's dad was there. Oh, nice. But you know what? I'm not going to fight to see Metallica. I've seen him enough times, whatever. I would have been pissed that I would have been having trouble finding the death record because of so many people there. I would have been like, this fucking sucks, man. Did anybody do any shopping yesterday for Record Store Day? I did, and I've got to say, I was disappointed. I went in looking for the guar,

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Scum Dogs of the Universe and the Death album. I got neither. I got a Nevermore album and a Shame, a Guilty Pleasure, a Sol Asylum album. Black gold, baby. Yeah, man. For those of you who don't know, the Death record is a double live in Eindhoven in 1992. Is that the virus release on vinyl? It's famous. I know that. I don't know if that's what it is. Yeah, it sounds right. Because if it's the virus release, there's an issue with that one because of the cut-ins and outs between

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the songs. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. Let me know because I thought about it. I was like, if that's a virus, I'm like, eh. Okay. I'll look it up. I do know this. It was referred to as the famous recording. So people do have their hands on it. There's that one and then there's the Live in LA, right? Or the two big ones. Live in LA is amazing. I love it. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't go shopping in Georgia. I know that I was at the beach. But, you know, last year, like so much of what I was looking for was still there a couple days later, like the Candlemas record. That's the way I was thinking about it.

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Our record store, our local one, not Big Soundgarden, but our local one still has Candlemas Live on the shelf now. They still got the Venom, was it last year? Yeah, they still have that. The depth is limited to 1,000 pieces worldwide, though, so we probably don't all have too much. Two years ago, okay, two years record store day, George and I did our first episode. Yes, this is also our anniversary weekend. Yep. Happy birthday.

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I wanted to thank all of you guys here, all of our listeners really quick, for two years of this train going on. It's awesome. We've met so many cool people. And Mark too. Yeah, and me. Just a couple assholes. But in two years, going from zero to my first vinyl purchase on Records for a Day was Opeth Watershed, that Records for a Day release. I'm up to 538 records now. In the last two years. On vinyl in two years. That's awesome.

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That's a bummer every day and a third. Yeah. So, yep. So upstairs from George's, you know, one of his guest rooms upstairs in our studio now. We've really come a long way, but I look forward to another years to come. Indeed. I wipe the tears away. It's a little dusty in this. It is, man. Jeez. We're going to leave those cards everywhere. We're going to get more and more people. Exactly. I'll have to show you. This is going to be our year. Tell your friends about us.

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Keep doing that Batman line. What is that? So, George and I, our Capitals are in the playoffs. Jay's Sharks are in the playoffs right now. Hockey, that is. Hockey. Capitals, every year as a team, they get together and they draw up a shirt. It's like a locker room shirt for the guys. This year, the Capitals team shirt is an Iron Maiden inspired shirt. It looks like a tour shirt. On the back, it has a bunch of teams. Basically, apart from the East Coast.

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playoff dates that would take the caps to the cup. So I thought that was cool that they kind of incorporate Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden. It's got like the Iron Maiden font. Yeah. Iron Maiden, the goal song for the caps is Iron Maiden. Is that Wicker Man? Yep. Wicker Man. Yep. So I thought that was awesome. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! What did they get? Who's the push behind that, Buk? Is there like a metal fan in there? There are from a lot of times I've been in that locker room.

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I cannot identify who the metalhead is. The only metalhead I know in hockey was Dan Boyle. Yeah. We'll probably retire this year, I think. Yeah. He, I know for a while, would control the radio in the Sharks locker room and was playing, you know, Lamb of God and stuff like that. Not Dan Boyle. What the fuck is his name? Yeah, Dan Boyle. Yeah. Well, anyway, hey, but let's also just say Sharks caps were both two games into our series, two wins under our belts.

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That would be cool if we could have an epic podcast fucking war at the end of this whole thing. Podcast Shark versus Caps, I'm hoping. I was telling Jay that would be like Civil War. The North versus the South. The East versus the West. We would not be speaking to Jay during that series. It'll get ugly, dude. It's so funny listening to you guys, and I'm just going nuts over the Warriors. Basketball. I've waited so long. The table is not divided this way.

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You guys can talk basketball. But you're a legit Warriors fan. Let's turn off the microphone. Basketball. So kind of like how Cavs fans feel. They've waited so long. Yeah. You know, that's Warriors fans. 40 years. The Warriors have never won a championship? They have, but it's been 40 years since the last one they won last year. But it was just so many shitty years in between. So all the heartbreak that you guys go through of like, great team losing the playoffs. The Warriors are just a shitty team.

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But it's not just the finals. I mean, they are dominating right now. And they just broke records. They're the caps of the NBA. Just dominating. They're beyond the caps of the NBA. They're the new bolts. The only way those two teams can finish their season, it has to be a win. They have to go all the way. They have to. Even though the Warriors won last year, they still have to. I think the saying, John, is it don't mean a thing without the ring. Yeah, it is. And for the caps, for their fans, it's the same thing. I'm sick of being harassed.

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The last couple of years. Actually, after last year especially. So, Mark, you did some research on this next story. You looked into some things. I did. So, I did Control-F on the Rolling Stone Top 100 drummers. I thought you'd be more impressive than this. So, I said, rather than download it all, what am I going to do to figure out? You said you did Control-F for what? So, I searched for the word metal to see how quickly. Okay.

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This is talking about Rolling Stone releasing the top 100 drummers? Right. Top 100 drummers of all time. And I'm a long-time subscriber of Rolling Stone magazine, which is odd. They said, give us $100 and we'll send it to you for the rest of your life. Yeah. So I did that a long time ago. Really? Yeah. I was in college. That was 15 years ago. And they said, $99 lifetime subscription. And I said, okay, fine, here. And they'll never stop sending it to me. So their lists are always really interesting because they try to be really cool.

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Piss everybody off. Right, right. That's why they chose Def Heaven Sommator. Right. They try to be cool and say, well, we know this genre and this genre and we know 70s soul and we know hip hop, we know this, we know that, we know this. But their drummer list was interesting. Mark, that was a good synopsis of Rolling Stone, by the way. Well done. Thank you. And before you say too much, I just got to do one thing because I hit George up and I told him about this myself, we were talking about it, and I said that number one is who it should have been. Of course.

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And I want to know if John, have you seen the list? Oh, I've seen the list. Oh, he's seen it. He's got the whole thing. I can see it right on his screen. Well, I wanted to know if you could guess the number one then, just based on me saying what I said. I did. Yeah, I mean... And George got it right. There would only be two choices on a list like this. It would be either John Bond or Keith Moon. Traditionally on these lists. And that's one and two. Yeah. When any metal fan would know, it's Gene Hoagland. Maybe. I bet he's not on that list. You know, that's...

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I should have added him to my list of where are they's. Who was it? I missed it. Gene Hoagland? Oh, yeah. But you know, the guy from Meshuggah is on there. What? And Hoagland is not? 96? No, 84. He was 84. We all know that this list is not going to be the best drummers in the world. It's going to be who Rolling Stone likes. Yes. So you're going to see the White Stripes drummer or whatever on here. You're going to see Trump. She's not on there. No way. I think she is. I thought she's renowned for sucking.

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at being a drummer, which is the whole point. Meg White, number 94. Wow. Okay, discredited list. Well, I mean, look, Charlie Watts is always going to be famous. Is he one of the best 100 drummers ever to live? For those of us who are former drummers, maybe not. I'm Charlie Watts. Look, Charlie Watts deserves all the credit in the world for being the sane guy in that band for all those years. Didn't he punch Mick Jagger one time? Because Mick Jagger called him my drummer. So then Charlie Watts punched him.

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I always like that story. Yeah. So anyway. Anyway. Do we have any more to say on this topic? Yeah. Where's actually the one drummer? Where's Mike Portnoy? Whether you like him or not. How is he not on the list? He's not on the list. No. But the guy from Meshuggah is. So funny. Bobby Jarzombek. I wouldn't expect to be on the list but he should. The guy from Face Warning and Sebastian Bach. Yeah. And Fight I think. If Portnoy is not on this list. But Portnoy is a big name. Virgil Donati is a guy you would think. With all the jazz guys they threw on there. He didn't throw him on there. Whatever. Were there any like a

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Are there any real? No, Hoagland. No, Hoagland. No, Hoagland. Phil Rudd's on there. No. Who? Phil Rudd's on the list. Oh, really? Come on. Dave Lombardo's on the list. Okay, Dave Lombardo

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Dale Crover from the Melvin 69. That was about it. Tommy Lee 85. Whatever. Because he goes in a circle. Yeah whoop-de-doo he doesn't toss his cookies when he goes upside down. I mean he got a couple that I like like Terry Bozio's on there and he should be. Yeah. Definitely. Whatever. Alright. Oh yeah so this was kind of interesting. I don't know. There's this record I do not give a shit about but I keep bugging George and going dude here's just a new track from this record. I really don't. I don't give a fuck but there's a new Ace Freely covers record coming out.

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And strangely, there was like this, we would listen to the white room, thought it was pretty good. But the new one, the new song that they have streaming is Paul Stanley singing a free song called Fire and Water, which is a song I really like. Jesus, Jay. Gonna buy Jay internet for the Christmas. Doesn't he have for fiber internet? It's so weird, dude. I don't know why it's acting like that today. But in any case, the song itself was good. It was a good song, good cover of this free song.

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If you like Free et al. Call them proto-proto-proto-metal. That's it. And also Paul Stanley, who's pretty much lost his voice over the last five years, sounded pretty good on it, which is good. Yeah, I haven't listened to that yet, but I definitely am going to check it out. It's not going to change your life, but you know. Yeah. And kind of cool to see those guys kind of together doing something. A little bit. Yeah, I was kind of surprised. I guess it's Ace and Gene that are not simpatico. Yeah. Everyone and Gene. Yeah, everyone and Gene.

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in DC and some friends of mine opened for him. I saw that, yeah. You know, the cool thing, John, is that it sounds like an old Kiss song. It sounds like a legit old Kiss song. Okay, let's check it out. I mean, it's worth your time. Right on. You want to get this next one, too? Yeah, I was just surprised to see showing up on iTunes the other day was the new Metal Massacre compilation is out. Can't believe that. How long has that been? Ten years. Ten years? It's been a while since we've had a Metal Massacre album. I mean, obviously, the very first Metal Massacre

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was the one that featured Metallica.

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Yeah, so it's really just a history thing.

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I mean, there's really...

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People don't need to run out and buy this or anything.

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No, but it's just kind of cool.

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I mean, I've got all the metal Massacre albums in my Discogs want list because it's history.

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I've got the first one.

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I think I have the second one.

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Are they hard to get?

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Some of them, yeah.

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I mean, the first one, they've done a couple reissues because of the Metallica.

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I have a second edition.

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I think Buke has the first edition of Metal Massacre. I do. It's worth a lot of money too. Yeah. And so, you know, I get them just because. I mean, I got one of my favorite sentimental albums of all time is the Best of Metal Blade Volume 1, which is a two-album vinyl compilation that I got back in 86, which introduced me to Slayer and Metal Church and just a bunch of Voivod, a bunch of really cool shit.

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And it's such a great album.

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That's kind of like, there's some nostalgia there.

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Definitely.

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It's cool that they're doing this, but unfortunately, it won't have the same door opening effect like it once did.

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Compilations don't mean anything in the internet age, but back in the day, that was how you discovered new bands.

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Yeah.

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I think they're almost exclusively bands that are on Metal Blade, by the way.

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John, were there any compilations you remember?

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I know your genres, any compilations that you could put your finger on, that was eye-opening to me. In the prog scene, there's been a bunch. What was the one that always used Halloween's art? There was pumpkins and stuff. I've seen these before. Online, yeah. Maybe they were Halloween tribute albums. That nobody cared about.

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So Exodus started working on new music this month? Yeah. I'm going to be interested to hear this. The last album, Blood In, Blood Out, was good. I don't know if it was actually written for Zitro or if he came in sort of like Joey did for worship music and sang over music for a different singer. So I'm curious to see whether the new Exodus album will be even better. I mean, I thought the last one was pretty good.

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I'm a big Zitro fan, so anything he does, I'm probably going to like. But yeah, definitely curious about that. And Death is reissuing Scream Bloody Gore on CD and Vinyl on May 20th. I got that pre-ordered. I'm in. Yeah. Probably one of the better reissue for a catalog, I think. All the Death stuff, for the most part. I was going to mention that George and I were very excited because Monotheist was also just announced as a vinyl re-release. Yeah. And even though I have it already,

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and paid way too much for it. I have pre-ordered the new version as well. And I think Jay probably did too. Is it a 180 or 200 gram release? I don't care. I'm just like, hey, 20 books for a Celtic Frost? Oh, yeah. Normally 100? Yeah, I'm going to. Me too. Me too. Yeah. This next one I wanted to take because I watched it and normally lyric videos, I can't stand. They suck. They suck. They look like it was a high school project. Like, hey, edit a video.

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Twilight influenced? Yeah. Like put a bunch of flames coming at you and fireballs and stuff like this. But this one, Catatonia released a lyric video for the new song Old Heart Falls. The new album coming out May 20th, The Fall of Hearts. This was really cool. Any of you guys seen this? No. It was really cool. It was really cool. Their videos have come a long way. It's awesome. It was a typewriter. And as the band is playing and singing,

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the song. It's like a person is typing out the words on the typewriter. That's cool. Really cool how it was done. How the camera swings around. The camera's swinging around the typewriter and going in it and following it. It was just really cool. How was the song? Great. It's slow, catatonic. Yeah, it's catatonic. I said catatonic. Catatonic. It's slow, catatonia, you know, soft. It was good. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, lyric videos, whatever. I just want

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It's better than not having anything at all. To me, they're another Opeth in the sense that they had harder early on years, but they were definitely not that now. Yeah. Well, that was because... What the hell's his name? Jonas. Jonas couldn't sing harsh vocals anymore. He had throat problems or something early on, and that's why actually Michael came in and sang on Brave Murder Day, because he was having voice issues, and then... It's the only song they do live now is Murder, isn't it? Yeah. In that period.

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And so then after that he's like well if I'm gonna keep doing this I gotta sing clean cuz I can't do these harsh vocals so yep that's why they are what they are was uh was here per whatever the fuck his name is that went to opeth was he from canatonia I always forget spiritual beggars and arch enemy he he was I think spiritual beggars with the third album and then he did some stuff with arch enemy so he's always been with with that group on that side that's how he got to open I think as far as I understand it did George any excitement at dark funeral

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Streaming Their Title Track from Their Forth Coming Album, Where Shadows Forever Rain, out June 3rd. Yeah, I'm probably the only one that's going to be into this, but I'm a big Dark Funeral fan, particularly The Secret of the Black Arts, their first album. This is pretty stereotypical black metal Scandinavian style. But yeah, I listened to this and I dig it. I'm getting old. I think I pre-ordered this.

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I can't. It's fucking horrible. I got my new Amon Amarth album on vinyl a couple weeks ago. I just got a notice yesterday that my vinyl is shipping from Nuclear Blast. So I have two Amon Amarth albums coming on vinyl because I fucking ordered two because I forgot. You are crazy, man. But hey, the first one is the nice pretty sky blue. This one's a green. Welcome to my world. I was like, what? Okay, first of all, I can't believe I've forgotten ordered two.

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But second of all, this came out a month ago. What the fuck? Why isn't this shipped yet? Anyway. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the new Dark Funeral. They've got a new singer. They put out a single with the new singer about a year ago. It was really cool. And I think this is cool. So I'm looking forward to hearing this. So Eson says there is absolutely no point in making a new Emperor album. I don't know that I agree with that, but based on hearing his new album, I can't complain. His own thing is rolling. Yeah.

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I think somebody pointed out that he's now been doing solo work longer than he was an emperor. So yeah. Is this album number six for him? Sounds about right. Yeah. And I can't agree with the fact that I would like to see Emperor again. Agreed. But certainly no problem with what Isan is doing solo. Yeah. His new record's got. It is. We'll get to that a little more later. I read the article that this was based on and he went on and on and on about how I'm not going to do another album. Which means it's coming out next year.

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The more they deny it, the more likely it is to happen. This bullet point is brief, but he had a lot to say about it. Which means it's in the works. Definitely. Because the more they say they're not going to do it, they're just hyping it up so that when it happens, it's more popular. Okay, thanks. We're in. Check it out. Speaking of Amanahmarth, their new album, Jams Viking, was number one in Germany and number three in Switzerland.

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Number 4 in Canada and Finland and Number 5 in Sweden when it dropped and it even made it to number 19 in the US. So, you know, it's interesting when these numbers drop because you're like, whoa, on one hand, that's pretty cool to be so high in America. And on the other hand, you're like, yeah, well, the record industry is in the shitter, so it's not surprising either. But still, it's cool. Good for them. Yep. Yeah, good for them. But the joke is 12 copies will get you there now. Exactly. Yeah.

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called Cause for Alarm from their forthcoming album The Evil Divide, which is released on May 27th. Has anybody listened to this? I thought it was typical Death Angel. It was pretty good. Yeah, that's my take on it. Nothing special, nothing wrong with it. Yeah, I'm just glad they're back. I remember, you know, Buick probably remembers me bitching about the fact that they were gone for so many years, and then when they finally came back, I was overjoyed. We saw them with Life of Agony. They were great. Was it Life of Agony? Yep. I thought it was good. I have a friend who is from the Philippines.

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He loves Death Angel because he's from the Philippines. Yeah, and that makes sense. Although there's only like one Filipino in the band anymore, but it used to be quite more. So if you're Filipino, you have to love them, I guess, but he loves them. Yes. Well, you know, it's something you can relate to, of course. Devin Townsend is getting ready to release an autobiography only half there in August. I am definitely going to be reading this book. Without question. The madman from Canada, he's just, there's got to be something good in that. It's going to be depressing.

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Why is that? Because he's a depressed guy. He's got big time depression issues and stuff. It's going to be like listening to the wall. I guarantee you. I'm going to listen to Jay on this. That's funny. I know, dude. That's ridiculous. You think so? Because I actually think it might be more uplifting and humorous where he is now. Considering he's putting out more music than anyone combined. It's just one album after another. Different project here and there. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. So there's a new band called

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Dunsmuir that released two songs on iTunes recently. And this band features Neil Fallon from Clutch, Vinny Apice from, well, Black Sabbath and, you know, probably a bunch of other bands you've heard of. And Jay actually told me about this. I listened to it. I thought it was pretty cool. I don't know if they have a full album coming out anytime soon, but I hope so because it's kind of cool. The other song, the one song is really good. The other song is kind of okay, but the one song is great.

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Yeah, I like the last side project that Neil Fallon did, or I don't know if it's the last one, but the one I know about called The Company Band. That was a really good album that they released. This one's for you, Will. Definitely right up your alley. Definitely. Blotsam and Jetsam also just released a lyric video for their new song called, oddly enough, Iron Maiden. It is not about the band Iron Maiden, but yet the Iron Maiden namesake, the torture device, actually it's more of an execution device, really, where you're sort of a coffin with

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with spikes in it and you stick somebody in it and you close it and then they go. But yeah, and it's interesting. Jay told me about this when it came out and it's good. It's definitely got like an old school like speed metal thing going on. But at the same time, it was almost like power metal. It was kind of different from what I know to be Flotsam and Jetsam. But I dug it for sure. So I'm curious to see what the rest of the album is going to sound like. It's kind of new wave of British heavy metal.

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Kind of, yeah. So I don't know. I guess we'll see what happens with that. Al Jorgensen of Ministry just released a new album with his new band called Surgical Meth Machine. They also just released the video for the song I Don't Wanna, which features some vocals from Jello Biafra of Dead Kennedy's fame. And I don't know if anybody else has listened to this, but I'm digging it. I'm definitely going to pick this up as soon as I can find it on Bandcamp or somewhere else.

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It's very ministry-like. If you don't like ministry, then you're not going to like this. But I like ministry, so I dig it. It was interesting. It was something different, for sure. Yeah. Jello Biafra, you've got to either love him or hate him, because he's something. So Lars Ulrich says the new Metallica album is mostly done, quote-unquote. He also says it would be difficult for me to believe that it won't come out in 2016, which is sort of at odds with what I've been hearing that it would probably be 2017.

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But hey, I would love to see a new Metallica album this year. Assuming it's good. Yeah. Keywords. Yeah. Well, I love Death Magnetic. So if it's as long as, yeah, I can't imagine they're going to go the St. Anger route again. No. And so, I mean, I didn't care for Reload, but I liked Load. And so really, St. Anger is really the only album that I'm not a fan of. So as long as they don't go there, I think we're fine. So I wanted to take this next one and say that Woven War, one of my favorite bands the last year's,

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is recording a second album now that should be out for the summer, early fall release. I know they're a little more... Christian. A little more acceptable, easy to get into than a lot of these other bands. They get a lot of shit. It's members of As They Lay Dying, minus Tim, who's still in jail. Tim, I tried to have my wife knocked off, playing basis. So I'm excited for that because that last album was Catchy As Hell. Right on.

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is a little bit, very interesting actually. BMG is getting ready to relaunch the German record label Noise Records. Now, Buke and perhaps Mark, that probably means nothing to them. But to me and to Jay and probably to John, that's kind of cool. Because Noise Records back in the day put out a lot of really cool stuff. Me in particular, they released the Running Wild albums. One of those labels that you would buy just because it was on the label.

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Yes, there was noise, there was combat, you know, those record labels just aren't around anymore, and yeah, I would buy anything that was on that. Bring it. It's all you can say. Yeah, let's do it. Let's see what you got. Yeah, I mean, who knows what they're going to put out now, but it's just, from a nostalgic point of view, it's cool that they're going to do that. Yeah, great. So Samoth from Emperor is getting ready to release an album with his new band, The Wretched End. This album is called In These Woods, and it's releasing next Friday.

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It's kind of funny because he seems to release albums the same time as Eson does. And he swears that there's no works or no Emperor album in the works right now, right? Right. Yeah. World Tour 2017. Yeah, I mean, there's probably been a couple Eson albums since the last album by Wretched End, but the last Wretched End album came out the same month as an Eson album, so I don't know. But anyway, I heard one of the tracks off there, and I was like, yeah, okay.

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You know, it's cool. I think I like Isan better, but I still kind of like what he does. So I will definitely be checking this out. The sample was cool. I listened to a little sample from it. It sounded neat. Yeah. I know probably most of us have been waiting for this next one. Gojira is getting ready to release their new album, Magma, on June 17th. About freaking time. I'm in. Yeah, I think we all are. Let's do it. Possibilities it could be clear number one album of the year from early indications. Yeah. There's a lot of excitement.

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It's a possibility. Yeah, definitely for multiple outlets, this could be it. Yeah, I mean, if a meteor comes from the sky and kills Joel from Thrasenblatt, this could happen. But seriously, very looking forward to the new Gojira album. I'm sure it will definitely be an incredible album. And I can't wait to hear it. I have a feeling it's going to be their Led Zeppelin 4. I could see that. Which is saying something when you consider for Morris Sirius. To me, it just lights out. Yeah.

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Are you familiar with them? Yeah. Okay. The one that John just mentioned I went and listened to because you guys mentioned it once. But yeah. I kind of jumped in between the album. They haven't put one out since I started really diving in. So I'm kind of waiting for this one with you guys. But yeah. I'm sure it'll be good. So the band Nails is also releasing a new album on June 17th. It's called You Will Never Be One of Us. So it's a very like, you know, people friendly, like, hey, let's all get along kind of album.

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I don't know. I haven't heard anything from it yet, but it should be interesting. I don't know them, George. What's their... I don't know them. They do really short, fast songs. I mean, I wouldn't call it grindcore, but their album was probably only like, I don't know, 20 minutes long or something like that. It's pretty popular from an underground true cult sort of thing. I would recommend checking out their last album because it was good. Okay. So I'm very curious.

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to see what they're going to sound like. All right, before we get into new releases, we want to talk about something we're drinking because it is metal. John, why don't you tell us about what we're drinking? We are drinking the Opeth 25th Anniversary Stout from Northern Monk Brewery, I believe is their official name from England. Limited release, I think only 1,700 bottles. You can tell us because he's got the bottle in his hand. What's on the bottom? Yep, 1,700. We are drinking bottle 994. That's your bottle.

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And I had one with Will, which, yes, we are going to write it up at some point. We have to have another first. And I saved one for my buddy, TR, who I went to England with, to go see Opeth for their 25th anniversary in London, which George has asked me to write up, and I'm still kind of delaying that. It's all right. We're all kind of delaying writing anything lately, except for Will. And I saved one for Bukin, George, and the podcast at some point. And Mark was the beneficiary being here today for that.

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They did a limited release. They sold out really fast. They weren't going to distribute to the U.S. Got lucky in the fact that I contacted the brewery and they got back to me and said, we have somebody lined up to do our distribution. We want to jump on this. And I bought four. I should have bought five. I think they just announced a new Pale Ale. Yes. And that's going to be a worldwide distribution, that one. This was very successful for them. I don't think the brewery nor the band knew that it would go this well. And I think they actually showed about the brewery.

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This isn't like the motorhead beer. They're like, slap it on, we'll take it. I think a couple guys actually went to the brewery. So good for them. I know they're taking some stick for it because, oh, they're brewing beers now. So what? Whatever. You know, they got to make, who cares? Just drink the beer and shut up. If you don't like it, great. If you like it, even better. Bukka's off in his own little world right now. He's got his phone out. He's inspecting the bottle, turning it upside down, looking at it.

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I want to see it.

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And your guys' take on it?

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I think it's an okay stout.

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It's not bad.

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Yeah, it's good.

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I like it.

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It's not super special.

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It's not like an old Rasputin good.

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It's an English-style stout.

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It's got the roasty feel to it.

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It's not a heavy stout.

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ABV's not big on this, I don't think.

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But it's got a good flavor.

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You like old Rasputin, Buke?

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It's my favorite stout.

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It's good.

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That and 10-50.

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10-50?

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Oh, wait.

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I thought it was...

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50 cent?

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I thought it was Bourbon County stout.

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Bro.

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Bourbon County brand.

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You're right.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. Yeah. But I've been saving this one for I've been telling them I'm going to bring it up, I'm going to bring it up, and I got to bring it up. And we thank you, sir. Oh, yeah. So this will be in my bed next to me. When I go to bed tonight, just coddling it and swaddling it. Okay. So let's get into the new releases now.

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is the new Ace Freely album Origins Volume 1. We sort of kind of already touched on that one. It's Ace doing cover songs with various guests worth checking out. Yeah, probably the coolest thing he's probably going to have done in a while. Yeah, the album cover is very cool. As a photography Photoshop kind of guy, I really dig the cover on this album. It's really cool. Cool. Next up is All Hail the Yeti. This one's for you, Greg. Screams from a Black Wilderness. Second album from these guys.

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I haven't listened to it yet. It's out on Bandcamp. They didn't release it on the day it was supposed to be released like they should have, but it only took them a couple days this time to actually release it, so I will probably get to it before the next episode. Next up is a band that I've actually never heard of before, but I am really digging. This is called Boss Kelloid with a K and Herb Your Enthusiasm. These guys are really cool.

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They're a sludge band, I think, from the UK. They like Larry David, apparently. Yeah, apparently. And something else. Yeah, and apparently they like the herb. Although I didn't really get that from listening to the album, but I didn't listen to the lyrics or read the lyrics anyway. But it was definitely a cool album. It was like a sludge kind of album, but it was just a little more catchy than a lot of them, I guess. I don't know. It's good. I think you should definitely check it out.

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They're on Bandcamp. Next new release, a band called Disaster. Disaster, not with an I, D-E-S-A-S-T-E-R for Mark. Or Deseter. But there's two S's, so it's Disaster. Anyway, the album's called The Oath of an Iron Ritual. I listened to a little bit of this. I'm loving this album. It's a good album. Look at these guys. They've been around for a while. Sure. Mid-80s, mid to late 80s. Really? Yes. Yep. So this album has hooked me. It's just black and black, a little black.

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Black and Death. Yeah, a little Black and Death. Exactly. A little Black Thrash. Yeah. Next up, we've got the new Gotis album, Purgatory Under New Management. This is the guy that used to be the singer for Count Raven. I think I mentioned this in the news not too long ago. I haven't been able to find this yet, but I'm going to grab it as soon as I can. I got their first album also on vinyl, and it's good stuff. Sounds kind of like Ozzy, Doomish, Sabbath stuff. Cool. Next one is the new Eson album, Arctis. I've been loving this.

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I guess I've been loving it. I actually only finished my first full run through today. I started it yesterday, got through halfway, finished the other half today. I was talking to John about it yesterday, and I am really digging this out. Yeah, I did just early portion before I met up with Will for the Brewfest and was loving it. Yeah, me too. I listened to it last night. Nice kind of pullback. Not that I didn't like the avant-garde stuff, but a nice pullback to kind of the after period, angel period. Yeah, exactly. It's like it's Prague.

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There's a lot of clean vocals and prog type music. A lot of electronic stuff that he does. But then gets harsh when he needs to. Yeah, but then he pulls in that harsh vocal. Exactly. And it's not weird. The last album was good, but it was a little weird. It was very avant-garde, the last one. Yeah. As John said on another record earlier today, it's work. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, oh, he sounds good. Yeah, this album, you know, I was actually saving this because I think it's actually on my list later. But I'm going to

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I see Eson heading down the Ackerfeld path. He's going really proggy. An album or two down the road, maybe we don't have any harsh vocals anymore. Hell, who knows? Maybe we have an Ackerfeld-Eson fucking prog album. Wouldn't that be something? Or just anything. That'd be kind of cool. What do you mean? Any kind of direction. They can collaborate on anything. Just be kind of cool to see what those two could do together. Totally. Two different worlds? As opposed to, say, Eson and

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and Matt Heafi. Surely they must know each other, right? You would think? Yeah, they must. Wait, Matt Heafi or? No, definitely Matt Heafi. He in fact is featured on the second song on the album, Masked Darkness. And I sort of skipped over that the first time I listened to it. And then I was reading about it. And I was like, oh yeah. And so I went back and listened to it again today. And he does backing vocals, but they're not like Heafi-like. There have been rumors for years that they were together. Yeah, well they're supposedly doing a black metal project that Heafi wants to do.

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We'll see. Maybe we'll hear some of that at some point. But not yet. Next up is the new Mantar album, Ode to the Flame. And I know at least two, possibly three people that are going to dig this album. I've been listening to the promo album, and it is definitely cool. It's cool. It was very cool. Yeah. So that's actually out now. So you can get that if you want. I haven't found it on... No, it is. Obviously it is on Bandcamp. It is. I just haven't gotten around. But it's like funny to find. If you Google Mantar Bandcamp, it's not the first thing.

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that comes up. Now, there's a lot of bands that on Bandcamp that they're on there, but you can't search on the band name. You have to search on the record label to find them. Because this is Nuclear Blast, right? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely very cool. I enjoyed their last album a lot, and this is a little bit more of the same, but two guys making a lot of noise. Very, very cool. Oh, so Metallica also just released the reissues for Kill Em All and Ride the Lightning. I haven't heard these. I haven't seen

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these, but apparently they're out there. So if you're into that sort of thing, check that out. I know Buke is... I love this album. We got it as a promo early on. I've been pretty hooked on it. This is Necrot and The Labyrinth. Now, is this their first album or their second album? I believe it's their first album from what I can see. Okay, so this is the one that you were talking about before. I thought maybe this was like a new one. I was like, ooh. No, this is what I was talking about before. All right. Next up is one that... Just a quick comment. Just black. Just straight.

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Just classic death. Yeah. My style. Certainly. Next new release is one called Palace of Worms and their album The Ladder. This is one that listener Rick told me about and I dig it. It is very good. Just released on Friday is the new Sig Artyr album Northern. I'm also really digging that. I just picked that up on Bandcamp. It's a Canadian sort of folk black metal band. They've got a few albums out.

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It's like a one-man band kind of thing. It's good stuff. I definitely recommend checking that out. Next is one that... It's a band I've heard about for a few years. You always see people wearing the shirts. I know Randy Blythe wears a t-shirt by this band. The band is called Sour Vein, and they just released their new album, Aquatic Occult. It's pretty cool. Yeah, and I gotta tell you, this is actually a really cool album. I definitely want to go back and sort of explore their back catalog a little bit because I've never heard too much of it.

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It is good. It's doom with a heavy sludge sort of stoner thing going on. Some of the vocals are harsh. Some of them are clean. It's a good album. And it's a kind of retro production style type doom if that's not as old sounding as witchcraft but that kind of thing. Yeah. Totally. And of course we already mentioned the new surgical actually as we already mentioned the debut album from Al Jorgensen's Surgical Meth Machine is a self-titled

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That just came out. Check that out. By the way, Al is 60, I think. I saw recently. And still alive somehow. Right. I read his book last year and wow. If anybody deserves to be dead, it's Al. Seriously. Him and David Crosby? Yeah. I saw something on, I think it was probably on Blabbermouth recently. It was Al Jorgensen's Guide to Drugs. And they go through all the different drugs that you could possibly

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And Al gives you his lowdown on, yeah, I did that. Yeah, I didn't like that. I'm a fan of Sterling Silver Spoons. And it's just like, yeah, what was one of the ones he never, he was never really into, like, I think it was probably like crystal meth or something like that. Yeah, smart man. Yeah, he was more of a heroin and beer and pot. But it was kind of funny. So, you know, but I'm glad Al's still with us because he makes some interesting music.

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And our last new release is a band called Wode and their self-titled album. They're a UK black metal band. And I just kind of, I don't know, they had a cool album cover. So I was like, oh, I'll give this a listen. And it is kind of cool. And those are our new releases for this time. Why don't we move on to our top three for this week?

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What's your best way? What's your best way?

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George and I like female fronted groups. George

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doesn't.

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And the thing is the style

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that I like, George doesn't.

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I'm interested now.

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George's number one is probably going to be like fucking Doro or something like that.

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Let's just get into your list.

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Damn it.

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You ruined the whole thing.

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There's stuff that I don't like

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but telling me that I don't like

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female fronted bands

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is not correct.

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I do like female fronted bands. I don't like the popular female fronted bands. George and I talked about this yesterday. We did. He looks like a band camp dirty whores. No, I'm sorry. All right, let's start with Mark. In doing some research for this, I found a website dedicated to female fronted or entirely female fronted metal bands. I love female fronted bands. And I think the puns for female based bands like Les Zeppelin are great. So there is a female metal band called

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DIA, D-I-A, that is a D-O cover band, which I think is pretty funny. But my number three is a, they're hardly metal, they're more kind of punk hardcore, but they're a band of teenagers from Tennessee called Be Your Own Pet. They made two albums about five or six years ago. So like I said, not strictly metal, but very kind of edgy, with really kind of dark lyrics. I've heard of them. Okay, they're very, much more, much more punk hardcore, but I saw them live,

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for somebody random,

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but it was three 19-year-olds on the stage with a female lead singer who was clearly insane,

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but it made for a great show.

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And they made two or three really cool albums,

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and then I think two albums in an EP,

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and then broke up and went to do other things.

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But that's my number three.

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Right on.

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John?

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I have an honorable mention, as I expect.

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I have two.

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But George, I had this conversation.

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There were a lot of great bands in the 90s, female-fronted,

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that went the symphonic route that were just like,

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I think the Symphonic route one was the copycat thing. Yes. Took off. And that's what John and I were talking about. There was a band that came along that fucked it up for everybody else. And that's pretty much where I stopped listening to Symphonic female-fronted bands. But that same band I know you're talking about, though, they have, I think, almost two sides to what that band was. No, I don't think you know who you're talking about. Nightwish? No. No. Okay. Should I just do it real quick? Go for it, John. All right. So I was a huge Lacuna Coel fan on the first.

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So was I. First couple of releases. I loved them. First couple of EPs. Then Evan Evans. Evan Evans. Evan Evans. That's what I think. They came out and they were basically doing Lacuna Coil. Yes. And then you look at Lacuna Coil now. Lacuna Coil was accused of being them. So then Lacuna Coil said, well, you got to change our sound. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah. Although I've heard the new Lacuna Coil song and they've gone all harsh vocals on the male side. I was like, whoa, this is different. But anyway, long story short.

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So my honorable mention to start out is the third and immortal. Oh, wow. If you don't know them early. Yeah, that's old school. They're one of the early doom gothic female frontiers. What was the band name again? Third and immortal. Okay. Yep. And if you know, Tears Laid in Earth is just. Yeah, back in the day. It was like, whoa, that's a girl singing that. That's badass. That's going to make, I have to add another honorable mention. Kind of like when the first time you heard, what's her name, Angela from Arch Enemy. Yeah. You're like, she's doing death vocals? Yeah. So that's what they were for me. But anyway, my number three.

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And I know you guys have seen my shirt, Diablo Swing Orchestra. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Which is this crazy, wild combination of swing, like progressive metal, I guess, and not really symphonic, but gothic metal. Yeah, they're cool. They're all over the place. And if you don't mind, violins. One of the few operatic singing bands I like still, I think. So, Diablo Swing Orchestra, number three. All right. Jay. Cool. My honorable mention is a band who,

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I don't even sure how many records they have out but they had a record I really liked last year and it was the first Doom band I've heard really I thought properly used female vocals and it's Wind Hand. Nice. Good call. But that brings us to my number three which I still have to thank Buke for. God this girl can sing. Royal Thunder. Well not really metal band but awesome. Yeah I was just thinking about that while John was talking a few minutes ago. I was like oh I didn't think about Royal Thunder. That record is so good and she's got such a strong voice. So those are my two. My honorable mention

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Those are my most current things that are on my list. Cool. I want to get to that before I start doing my list. I love females. Don't we all? You and Peter Steele. I like coils. I love them. There's a problem, I think, in female vocals now. If they're not doing the symphonic, I think the harsh death vocals that allow

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of females are doing.

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I have a hard time with them because they put the effects on the microphone to the point to where they don't sound natural.

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Yeah.

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They take that scream and it sounds digitalized.

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Yeah.

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It sounds fake.

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Affected.

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It sounds, exactly.

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It sounds affected.

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And so I have no problem with the operatic stuff.

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Not at all.

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So my number three female fronted band.

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My number three female-fronted band, they've had some lineup changes, is Nightwish. No problem admitting that at all. Which, and who do you like as a singer? Because Floor Jansen now is a singer from After Earth, who I actually like a lot. She would be my go-to now. She's excellent. The albums that she's done with them, I don't like as much. But when she's singing the old stuff? She's great. She's amazing. The early After Forever stuff is outstanding. Yes, she's, her, like, my Nightwish, where I jump in,

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What's it? Bless the Child. That was what I loved, but then they also jumped off because they, I think they changed maybe one or two albums right after that. So that was my number three. And you look at them overseas, they are huge. Massive. Like they will close the Valken every time. Yeah, they're big. Yeah. All right. Here we go. I'm going to be a jerk. I've got like four honorable mentions. Really quickly, it would be my number one if this was an all-encompassing list.

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I just added while we were talking

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because they came to me.

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First honorable mention, Immortal Bird.

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Because Ray, fuck yeah.

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Second one, Avatarium.

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Because awesome.

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While John was talking about Third and the Mortal,

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I also thought about the early The Gathering.

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Like Mandy Lion album.

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That was some good shit there.

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That's a pretty cool one.

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No comment yet.

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I totally forgot about them.

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Yeah, that was some good stuff back in the day. And it also reminded me of Grace Perry from Landmine Marathon, the original singer from Landmine Marathon. I fucking dug her. But my number three, fucking Mirkoor. Okay. I considered it. It didn't quite make it, but it was totally worth being there. Yeah. All right. Back to Mark for number two. Yeah. Did you guys listen to the, what was it last week? The Cult of Luna with Julie Christmas. That was really cool. That's not my number two, but that was really, really cool. That's on my list later.

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Yeah, I enjoyed that a lot. So you guys are going to make fun of me, but I was a huge new metal fan in the 90s. Get out of here. I have more Limp Bizkit CDs than I'd care to admit, but I was a big Kitty fan in the late 90s. So my number two, I picked Kitty. Do you remember Kitty? Oh, yeah. They suck. Brackish. Yeah. That was just for fun. That's cool. I think they're doing a crowdfund to make a documentary about them. Really? So yeah, not just female

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I get extra credit for that. Indeed. So, real quick, a band I heard of, I just thought of them, Ocean's a Slumber. Have you heard the new singer from them? Oh, yeah. I heard it. Just want to throw it out. My number two, I can guarantee maybe you haven't heard of them, but I doubt it. A band from Canada called Trance of Mine. Nope. Came out in 2004. George, play your crickets. Kind of a proggy, gothic sound, but just spectacular singer.

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I did one album. One. Don't you hate that? Yes. And it was just across the board. I loved everything about it. Jay, it was like our Macedon. You and I were talking about during the top, what, 10 for the last 15 years. Leviathan, it's not one song that you didn't like. That's that album for me. Everything. So, Trance of Mind, Reflections. All right. Jay? All right. This is where I get a little more generic. But I really did think the previous incarnation of this band, I liked quite a bit. Anyway, I'll just

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I like the Angela Gassel

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archenemy stuff I think it's really good

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and she's totally

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metal

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alright puke

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here I go more with the symphonic

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female stuff

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I love it

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it's so epic

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oh epica

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oh man I forgot about them too

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I love her voice

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within temptation

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oh see I wanted to put them on as an honorable mention

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for those first two releases

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Those albums 2000, 2000. Enter, The Dance, and Mother Earth. Mother Earth, my favorite is The Silent Force. Okay. That's my favorite. The Heart of Everything is where I kind of got a little off of them. They were one of the precursors on the, they're not the first, but the whole Beauty and the Beast sound. Yes. Which was Theater of Tragedy. Yep. Which I just love those first three Theater of Tragedies. Okay. But see, that's what I like because it's, again, why I love power metal so much. It's those epic, operatic,

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moments. It's cool.

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And that's what I like about these type of fronted bands.

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And they're big right now.

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They're really big.

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You know, there's another female fronted band that I'm just going to throw this out there because I just thought of them.

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They're not around anymore called Dismal Euphony.

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And they had an album that I fucking loved.

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It was called All Little Devils.

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One of the first albums you gave me.

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Yeah, because I was so into them at that time.

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Okay.

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Is it me?

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That's you.

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All right.

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My number two, from the great white north, Unleash the Archers. Oh. I totally forgot. Brittany, man, not only is she smoking hot, which is not a requisite to get on my list, by the way, but she is. And she fucking sings her balls off if she had them. I'm serious. She's badass. I bet Prog Power, M.V.E. says, dude, you gotta get me a shirt. And she's fucking hot. And she's really cool. I think I gave you encouragement to go. And I stood in line for two hours. Oh, no, those were for the, uh,

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With a Falconer shirt. Yes. They were cool. I loved them. They got a good response. They're one of our early bands on the podcast here. Yeah, no, I love them. We played them on that episode. She's amazing. She's great. Yeah, they were fun to watch. Yeah. All right. The time has come. Your first number one. My number one was Arch Enemy, which I just happened to come across them two years ago because I know their album that came out in 2014 was a new singer, but also a female. So then I started doing my research and kind of learned about them.

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throughout the years. So it was an interesting progression from not a female-fronted band to a female-fronted band to another female. So I thought that was very cool. I have such a kind of catch-22 with that band now because I liked Angela Gossel better, but now they got Jeff Loomis, which is really super cool. But I just don't like the new record as much as I liked the last few ones before that. I liked the original Dude Singer. The first three were cool. As soon as they switched over to Angela, I was like, me. It was just weird. I actually liked Wages of Sin a lot. It was like if, you know,

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I just never could get into them. I mean, I respect them.

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I listen to it and I go, yeah, that's cool, but it just never grabbed me.

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An E for effort.

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Yeah.

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Report card time.

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I have nothing bad to say about them. It just never grabbed me.

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My turn. My number one.

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By the way, another honorable mention.

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I might be saying it wrong. Tristiana.

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You ever listen to them?

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Tristania.

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Tristania, thank you.

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Yeah, I like that.

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Their early stuff was just...

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All right, my number one, George Ray stole my thunder, but still one of my favorite bands, The Gathering. Yeah. Mandelion and Nighttime Birds. Yeah. Mandelion's my number two all-time metal. Oh, it is. It's amazing. The first time I heard that, I was like, whoa, chicks do metal. Not only that, she can sing. Yeah. And we're going to see her. And we're going to see her with Devin, yeah. It's one of the few. Annika, is that her name? Yeah, I believe it's Annika, yeah. Van Giesbogen. Yeah, however you do. One of the few musicians I actually get giddy over.

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Not many. I met her once and she couldn't have been any nicer. So I'm looking forward to seeing them. But yeah, The Gathering. Hands down. Definitely. Jay. I'm going to be an odd man out here probably. Nobody else is surely going to have this person on their list. You're odd. And I am out. So I'll just kind of cut to the chase here. A little bit more punk than metal. Say it. Say it. Wendy O. Williams. Yes, Wendy O. Williams. And Plasmatics. Plasmatics. For those of us who remember. For those of us who remember.

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I remember. Yes.

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R.I.P. Wendy.

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In the 80s, she had a couple of good solo records.

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I still remember the video with her on top of the school bus.

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Me too, dude.

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It's just like, talk about feminism on dynamite.

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She was such a badass.

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Times 10,000.

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It was before Bukes time, probably before Mark's time, but definitely a badass.

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All right, Bukes.

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So a band hails from Canada has a new singer, but she is my favorite female fronted. So my favorite female singer, because she doesn't use a lot of effects. Now the band has seen a lineup change with the old singer moving over to Arch Enemy. This is the Agonist. Oh, nice. For the simple fact that she is not one of those female vocalists that uses the effects on their microphones. She's good. Yeah.

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You hear like a quickly they're right another very accessible but okay butcher babies you can clearly hear when the switch is flipped on the microphones you know and and the vocals change it's that it's a sounds digital I have my issues with that band yeah they're just boobs and fucking but just just me I don't know if you guys are familiar stolen babies yeah yeah and I heard them and I saw butcher babies like oh come on this is just and then there's Julie Christmas made out of babies right

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Oh, I made up babies was actually kind of a cool band. Yeah. And what was the other band she was in? Something. They were tied in with Red Sparrows, weren't they a little bit? There was another band, something with mice. Oh, yeah. Not of mice and men. That's a different band. That was the whole kind of post-rock metal scene. Yeah. Anywho, all right. Me? My number one, Buke, stole my thunder already. He's like, oh, his number one's probably Dura. Well, you fucking bet it is.

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Doro.

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Real quick, did you hear Floor Jansen say from that wish, she's tired of the female-fronted moniker? She's like, who gives a shit? Yes. And yeah, we don't care. From a feminist perspective, not even a feminist perspective. We just don't care. Yeah, stop calling. Whenever I say female-fronted anymore, I kind of cringe. It's like, it's just a metal band. But we still needed to define it. But the thing is that, you know, it's not like we're trying to single out women by saying that. Metal itself is so segmented.

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into very specific genres.

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You know, it's just, it's a label.

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It's not like we're trying to single you out because you're female.

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It's just a definition.

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Yeah.

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And the one thing about us too, you've, you hear someone in the metal community, but us four and a lot of the guys that we talk to, it's never like this boys club.

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No.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Like stay out.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I've been a fan of Doro for fucking almost 30 years now. It never crossed your mind. It's never crossed my mind. It's like, if you rock, you rock. I don't care if you rock, you rock. The hard thing is, you know, a lot of it comes down to anatomy. A lot of the vocals you listen to are harsh vocals. And of course, you know, that's just not natural for a lot of females.

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Like Angela and like Mirkoor and you know that exactly you know and yeah I mean another one that I really liked uh Cerebral Bore the the is a Scottish like heavy like grind not all about grind but like maybe technical death band and she was this cute little girl and fucking she was tearing it up on vocals and I fucking love them and uh so yeah who cares if you have a dick or not if you're fucking awesome you're awesome yeah great all right let's move on to what we're listening to

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I guess we should start with Mark. Sure. So I take most of my cues from you guys, but

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There's been a lot of good stuff coming out recently. There's a lot of things that come up on each episode. Stuff that I really attach myself to. I had a relatively long list, I thought. The new Cobalt is fantastic. Hell yes! It is really good, but it's also really good because it's a little bit different. It's not like everything you hear. That was very good. You make me proud. I've started listening to Graves at Sea. George has a shirt on. I think I listened to it in the car at first and I said,

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That sounds pretty cool. Somebody who's either George or Jay said, it's very rewarding when you listen to it with headphones. So I did that. And I definitely agree with that. Something really stuck with me there. The new Mantar, which came out just yesterday, I've been enjoying for the last couple days. What else? Something I bought on Bandcamp, I didn't hear this on the show, so I can be proud of this, was a Finnish kind of sludge doom band called Hundred Headless Horsemen. There you go. There's our first

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Mark it on your fucking list.

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But I get an email every week that says,

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Hey, George bought this.

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And so I saw that on George's list,

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and I said,

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Oh, man, he took it from me.

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Not that he got it from me.

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I did.

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What was it called again?

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It's called Hundred Headless Horsemen from Finland,

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and it's,

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I don't know exactly how to explain it.

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Very sludgy, very doomy.

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The lyrics,

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the vocals are kind of buried,

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but it's a quick EP.

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It's about four songs.

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You just skipped over what happened here.

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He bought the Metal God bought something. I don't know if it was because of your recommendation. It was. Or if it was like, I can't have him having this. No, it was. It's on my list. It's on my list right there. George is like, what? He has something I don't have? Wait a minute. What's this? What was I doing yesterday? I didn't see this. I have six extra dollars laying around. There's a lot of stuff on this list this week that I got from other people, and I give credit where I can.

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It's always a pleasure when I see an out my bot and George is like two days later

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George is like

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Yes!

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So you know one of mine then

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That is very very cool

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I would highly recommend that

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It goes well with the

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genre style I like the most

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Stoner, Doom, a little faster

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That is very cool

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I like the Cthilest

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Have we agreed on the pronunciation for that?

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Yeah I think Cthilest is right

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That's some evil shit

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Wormed, which you guys talked about last time. And then If I'm Ever Having a Really Bad Day, you mentioned listener Rick. If I'm Ever Having a Really Bad Day and I want to make it worse, I go look at what he's listening to. He's got some good stuff. Some dark shit on there. But he had a Remember One Day That You Will Die or something like that. That was pretty cool. Excellent. All right, John. All right. So obviously November, I've been a fan of this for years. But just real quick, Peaceville and Burning Shed in England, when they sold the album,

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They also included the EP with it. So I got the Ursa and it's Anna Luce. I think it's EP. So I've been big on that. The Cobalt, obviously, Slow Forever. For anyone who's into jazz from hell, metal, Counterworld Experience, album called Pulsar. Okay. Counterworld Experience is the band name? That's the band name, Counterworld Experience. So if you don't mind kind of jazz-influenced metal or metal-influenced jazz, jump on it. All instrumental, cool stuff. And I think this album, Buke, you would enjoy. There's, I think, the drummer from Obscura.

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is on one album or one song. Steve DiGiorio. How do you say his name? The guy, the bassist from Death is on one album. Yeah, I'm seeing right here. Yeah. It's nice. It's cool. Yeah, the guy from Alkaloid, you know, Obscure, just like you mentioned. Wow. So, yeah, whatever. Graves at Sea, obviously. Jay and I have gone back and forth about it a little bit. George and I have talked about it. It's killer. Been a fan of these guys since I first met them. Spiritual Beggars, their new one. Sunrise to Sundown.

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I'm a bigger fan of the earlier stuff when Spice was the singer, but I still listen to everything. They're more now, I think, in kind of the deep purplish David Coverdale period. Yeah. But it's still cool stuff, you know? And they're one of the few stoner metal rock bands that I think are doing it right. And think about it. Carcass, Arch Enemy, Spiritual Beggars. Mike's just having a run of all the bands. He really is. And they're one of the few bands on Instagram that like all the posts.

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when I put a spiritual beggars album on there. Somebody's doing it. So anyway, real quick, I'm going to butcher this and I'll leave the album titled The George Aronsi Pazuzu. Is that how you say it? Yep. Their new album is just... We've had this conversation. I love the old 60s psychedelic sound. Add a little, not even just black metal, but just metal. Yeah. Extreme metal, I think is a good way. Oh, I love it. The new Eson, I'm liking. I just literally started listening yesterday, loving it. One album I've

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I got earlier on but I've been in contact with one of the guys in the band because he sent me a message. Wilderness King from South Africa. Yeah. Their mystical future. He sent me the album. He's been sending me emails saying, hey, John, I'm sending this out to you. By the way, I love your name, WhiteCluster69. I'm a huge Opith fan. My Arms, Your Hers, Still Life, Blackwater Park, so just back and forth. I think I mentioned Wilderness King on a couple episodes ago. You did. And kudos, his name is Keenan Oaks, I believe, and he's been in contact with me. I love when bands do that. That's really cool. It's a little

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So, hey, rock on, brother. Thanks for sending the album. South African metal. I mean, come on. That's awesome. So give him little props here. It's a cool album, too. And then a boatload of Joe Saturani right now, because I just saw him. A fan since Surfing with the Alien came out, and he just played in D.C. So his whole catalog has been on my playlist lately. Joe. I love Joe. And he's the impetus of, hi, my name is John. My name is John. That's right. All right. Jay. Still listening to the Graves of Sea record a lot.

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And then finally my newest obsession is a band called Vreadhammer with a record called Violator. This is going to be in my year-end top 10, no question. This is sort of a blackened, I don't know, that's the right way to put it. Kind of a thrashy death thing. And with

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with a little bit of Lame of God and Nevermore thrown in there. Just a little bit. And there's not a wasted riff on this record. It's so good. It's seven songs. It's almost not long enough. So that's my new obsession right now, that one in particular. Yeah, it's definitely a great album. I remember their last album coming out, and I was like, ooh, this is good. But I didn't really hear much around this release, so I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Yeah, I didn't either, but I think it's getting some good reviews out there now. So that was one I had to get on vinyl, too, for sure. Yeah, I am bummed.

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They're not on Bandcamp that I can find. And so I haven't gotten it yet. I've just been listening to it on streaming. But that is my recommendation of the week, by the way. If you're out there and you listen to this show, you really need to hear this record. Definitely. Duke. Okay. I'm listening to the new Amon Amarth. I will give my opinion on it as a fan of the band and say there's a couple of tracks I like on it, but they have become very commercial. Sure. For being a Viking death band. Very accessible.

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At first I thought I loved the album, giving it a second spin. Not so much catchy songs, but that's my take on that. Johan would just say that they're a metal band. People call them Viking Metal. He's like, we're not Viking Metal, we're Metal. That sounds more Russian, but you know. Yeah. The Disaster album, The Oath of the Iron Ritual, I've been listening to a lot, like George mentioned on new releases. Our favorite female drummer, Ray of Immortal Bird.

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Recorded Drums for an album that came out back in February. I just found an experimental metal band, Eight Bells. Yes, it's a cool album. That's a great album. Really cool. I just found that this past week. All female band. I mentioned it a couple episodes ago. It is really good. It's a nice album. I like it. Yeah, I just found it this past week. I like them a lot. To get the exact title, it's Landless. February 12th it came out. I've been busy with work, so I haven't listened.

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too much. I did on you guys' recommendation buy the Cobalt album. It did not stick with me. You should keep trying. On first listen. It's like, I was surprised by that because it's kind of, I described it as Tool meets Three Inches of Blood. Like if Cam Pipes were singing for Tool doing a black metal album because the vocals are high and screechy kind of like Cam Pipes, Three Inches of Blood, but the music is black metal, but it's a little more

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I was surprised that you didn't like that. And I have also listened to Older Man, Nothing New, Sorcery, Legacy of Blood. Cool. Nice. All right. This is the part of the episode where if you need to go to the bathroom, need to take a nap, maybe go out and buy a sandwich. It's been a few weeks since we've done an episode, and so I am flush with new albums. I'm going to try to be brief as possible. Mark is changing out the ink to his pen right now. Yeah.

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He's going to email it to me.

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Yeah.

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It's called pause.

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Just put your pen down.

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Enjoy.

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I'm going to, luckily, some of these we've already covered, and so I don't

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need to talk about them again.

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I'm going to be trying, as brief as possible, just go and-

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Just rattle them off.

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I'm going to rattle them off, and if you want to hear more, do that.

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All right.

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Because there's a shit time.

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Yeah, just rattle them off.

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This is my biggest list ever, so.

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All right.

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Sit down.

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Enjoy.

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First one is a band called The Algorithm, and their album Brute Force.

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This is a French electronic band.

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There's not a whole lot of metal about it, and yet it is metal because it is dark electronic, and it is cool. Check it out. Next up is a band called Au Revoir. You'd think they'd be French, but they're not. They're from Jersey. They're an instrumental metal band. They build themselves as instrumental, but they actually have some vocals. They're kind of varied, and I think they might be guests, but the album is called V-E-L-E-S. However the hell you pronounce that, I don't know.

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Yeah, it's cool. Check it out. Next up, I've already mentioned them, Boss Colloid and their album Herb Your Enthusiasm. UK sludge band, very good. Moving on. Next up is a band called Bossk, B-O-S-S-K, and their album Audio... The Star Wars Bounty Hunter? Yes. Their album is called Audio Noir. They're a UK atmospheric sludge band named after the bounty hunter from Star Wars. Next up is one I got from John from his band camp. This is Chikonia and their album Winter Eyes.

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It's a Spanish instrumental band. They are fucking awesome. Heavy as fuck. I love it. It's really good. Check that out. You can find it on Bandcamp. Next up is one Mark already mentioned. Cult of Luna and Julie Christmas, the album Mariner. It's a post-metal album. Julie Christmas was in Made Out of Babies and some other band that I can't remember the name of. I gotta get on that. I love Cult of Luna and this one's pretty good too. Next up is one from listener Rick. He told me about these guys. They're called Death Fortress. I picked up two albums.

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from them on Bandcamp. One is called Among the Ranks of the Unconquerable. The other is called Deathless March of the Unyielding. They're a black metal band from New Jersey. Next up is another band I picked up two albums from. They're called Destroy Judas. Their latest one is called Forever Like Stars We Shine. They're from Long Beach, California. It's kind of a mix of all kind of metal styles. And I also picked up the album Awake by them. Next up is one for Buke. This one's a prog death band from Portugal. It's called Destroyers of All.

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Their album Bleak Fragments. Dude, I think you'll like this one. You should check that out. Destroyers of all. Yeah, it's good. Next up is the new Leif Edling band, The Doomsday Kingdom and their EP Never Machine. It's the dude from Candlemas. It's good. It's only a couple of songs. I didn't even know it was out. When did it come out? Like two weeks ago, probably. It's on Bandcamp. You can find it there. It's good stuff. It's Leif. Next up is a band called

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I have wicked sight. This album actually came out a couple years ago. They're from the Netherlands. I bought this after hearing about there was a band camp review that likened it to Space Bolt Thrower. And that was true. It is good. It's space themed, but it's kind of like Bolt Thrower. So it's good. Check it out. Next up is a band called Eldamar and their album, The Force of the Ancient Land. They're from Norway. It's kind of a nature themed black metal.

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shit with like black metal harsh vocals good stuff next up entropia and their album ufo not this is a polish back a polish black sludge band it's good stuff check it out uh evig not which is a self-titled uh norwegian band there which translates to eternal night in norwegian uh and they're sort of a gothic death style band this is i think their third album it's pretty good just check it out next up is a band called the great cold and their self-titled album

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It is a German instrumental band. There's a fair number of instrumental bands on this list. I'm surprised. I don't do a lot of that stuff. The list goes. I am definitely, I've got a few of them on here, so check that out. Next we have Grimner and Frost Moteld, a Swedish folk Viking metal band. I think that's what they call it in Sweden. They call it Volk Metal. That's how they pronounce it. And it's really well produced. It's in Swedish, but if you like folk Viking metal, it is fucking

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cool next up is one that i've been really digging a lot is a band called heavenwood

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and their album the tarot of the bohemians they're uh they're labeled as gothic uh but

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they're kind of more than that i mean there's there's just a whole lot going on here and you should

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definitely check this out next up we are still in the ages everybody is groaning and falling asleep

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around me by the way uh this one i just heard about yesterday from rick as well this is a band called

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and biological enslavement. They're a California death thrash band. Buke was saying that he didn't like the vocals on this, but honestly, I listened to this and the vocals sounded a hell of a lot like Chuck's from Death. This is very Death influenced and is really good, so check it out. Next up is one from our good buddy Will called Hoven, H-O-V-E-N, and their EP Mule. They're a UK progressive stoner metal band. As mentioned on Mark's list, I also picked up 100 Headless Horsemen.

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Hexagon EP. They're a Finnish death sludge band. Is this really in order? It is in order. Next up is Eson, Arctis. We already talked about that. Great shit. You should pick it up. The next two are not even metal, but they are metal in spirit. John Carpenter. You ever heard of John Carpenter? Sure. Really want to check this out. He directed movies like The Thing. The Fog. The Fog. He's a horror director.

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Back in the day, he did Halloween. He did the music from Halloween. He released some instrumental keyboard music. This is the second one, I think, isn't it? Yeah, he did Lost Themes 1 and Lost Themes 2. Lost Themes 2 just came out. I just picked up both of these. They're not even metal, but they're fucking cool. They are very cool. Are they what? Keyboard-y? Yeah, they're very keyboard-y. If you like what he did for Halloween, you're going to like this.

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It's just bad. It's dark, but it's not metal. It's just cool. It's really cool.

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Did you ever check out that Goblin Rebirth thing?

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It's a great album. I did not hear that.

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It's an old... Didn't those guys do horror scores, John, back in the day or something?

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Yeah, and this is kind of a remake of the older band with some of the band members.

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There's a couple different versions of the band out right now.

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So, yes.

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It does sound vaguely in that same idea as the John Carpenter thing to me. Cool. All right, we're up to K now. King Goat is the next one in their album Conduit. They're a UK progressive doom band. This is also one that I highly recommend on this list. And I got that from you, George. Yes, I saw you did that. I was like, it's kind of a goofy name, but it is definitely worth checking out. It is better than their name implies. Very Candlemas-like in the vocals. Yes. Next up is a band called Like Rats.

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and their album 2. It's kind of a hardcore sludge thing. It's also better than you would think. I was surprised by it. It's kind of got like a black metal logo. You should just need to listen to it to see what I'm talking about. Next up is a band called Merlin and their album Electric Children. It's kind of a stoner doom thing, but I kept getting this like Marilyn Manson kind of vibe from things. So I don't know. It's on Bandcamp, I'm pretty sure. Check it out. Next up is the new Moonsorrow album.

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which I'm not even going to try to pronounce because it's in Finnish and I can't fucking say it so just look up the new Moonsar album it is cool next up is Mountain Witch and their album Burning Village they're a German retro doom band very old school sounding but very good I highly recommend it we already mentioned this next one but I gotta mention it again this was from Rick and it's a California black metal band called Palace of Worms and their album The Ladder very good if you're into like Migwa and stuff like that

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Next up is another instrumental band called Release the Long Ships and their album Wilderness. They're from Hungary. It's instrumental. It's a lot more clean, pretty stuff than heavy stuff, but there is some heavy stuff in there. I recommend it. Mark also mentioned this next one, Remember That You Will Die, a self-titled album from an Australia-slash-Netherlands black post-metal band. Pretty good stuff. Next, we have Rimfrost and their self-titled album of Swedish black metal. You know, check it out. It is what it is.

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Next, we have Show Me a Dinosaur and their self-titled album. They're a Russian band, and I feel like they are pretty much a Deaf Heaven wannabe band. The music is very Deaf Heaven-like. The vocals are buried and screechy, so if you like Deaf Heaven, you will dig that. Next, we have Sig Artur. We already mentioned that, Northern. They're a Canadian black metal band. It's awesome. Check it out. Sorcier de Glossy.

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The Albums, the album's called North, they're a Canadian black metal band, old school black metal, good stuff. Sour Vane, I already mentioned them as well, Aquatic Occult, American Sludge Doom, Sphero Knot, the Doombringers Blues, a German stoner doom band, if you like stoner doom, it is what it is. Another one that I really liked a lot was Sonata, S-U-N-N-A-T-A, and their album Zoria, it's a Polish sludge metal band. Okay, we've gotten to the U's, so we're almost done.

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A band called UADA.

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Mark is like, this is a lot more glamorous

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when I'm listening.

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I can't listen to it on double time sometimes.

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If we did it, it goes faster.

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On your podcast app,

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I keep thinking of this Star Wars.

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Almost there.

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I'm sorry.

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Come on.

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You guys told us to go long.

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You know what you say?

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It's real glamorous

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until you pull the curtain back a little bit.

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What's the fancy editing and everything?

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Take the top off.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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There's only a couple more.

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So like I said, UADA, UADA, Devoid of Light, their Portland, Oregon black metal band.

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Also kind of in the migua vein.

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Very, very cool.

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Next one is another one from Rick called The Wake Dead Gathering.

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And their album Fuscus or Fuscus perhaps.

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How do you have time to listen to all these?

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It's been a month.

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Okay.

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Strings of the Black Liar, L-Y-R-E.

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They're an Ohio death metal band.

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Good stuff.

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I already mentioned Wode and their self-titled album, their UK black metal band. Two more! Two more! This one's for Buke, The Zenith Passage, and their album Solipsist. It's an LA tech death band. I think you will enjoy that. It is good stuff. And finally, the last one, also from Rick. This is Zrine and Unor Theta. They're an Icelandic black metal band. After this, Mark ain't gonna come back, so Rick, you wanna go on the podcast? Yeah, he is.

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I'm sorry.

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No, don't be sorry.

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You know, I got to put down what I'm listening to.

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Exactly.

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Don't be sorry.

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We're just fine.

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Don't be sorry.

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He's going to apologize to Mark because he's going to be working like three weeks on this playlist on Spotify.

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Don't be sorry.

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Copy and paste.

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Copy and paste.

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Don't be sorry.

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All right.

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Let's move on to our classic album.

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Classic Album!

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Mark?

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Yes. Do you have a classic?

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Yes, mine is the album that got me into metal a long time ago, kind of planted the seed,

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and I'm sure it's been the classic album before, and I know somebody did a track from this for the deep track,

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I forget who exactly, but it's Sepultura Chaos AD.

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Nice. Classic. That is one of the albums I would give to start somebody in metal. I think I was 13 years old or something. I said, what is going on here? But I still remember it to this day. Did you follow Subatura after that? Yeah, definitely. I mean, not as strictly as I should have, but I vividly remember listening to this cassette over and over and over again. Did you get into Soulfly? Yeah. Cool. That's a great, can't go wrong in that one. John? John? An album that, believe it or not, is now a classic, which is hard to fathom.

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I went with Brave Murder Day. Right on. That's a good album. With Ackerfeld on vocals. With Mike on vocals, yeah. Alright, Jay. I probably don't mention these guys as much as I could because I really like this band. And I don't think I bring them up that much, but Sex on Wheels of Steel. Wheels of Steel. Old school. Yeah, man. They had something in the record store bin yesterday. It was Lionheart, which is actually one of their best modern records. If I can find a

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I'll find a late find copy of that. I'll pick it up. That's a really good record. It was like a picture disc, so I was like, meh. Oh, maybe not. Yeah, it didn't have a cover or anything, so I skipped it. Oh, I didn't realize. Screw that. Yeah. All right, Buke. It's really simple. It came on Spotify Play for me the other day, random, and I went back and listened to it a little bit. The little time that I have free, CMIO Passage. Oh, yeah. I can't wait to see. We're going to be seeing them at Death Fest, and they're going to be playing Ceremony of Opposites, which I am just, eee!

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The Passage is very cool. This is more kind of when they went into a more modern... Like electronic. Yeah, electronic type of sound with this album. Such a great album. Yep. All right. My classic album is one that I have not thought about in a very long time. Probably 15 years or more that I haven't thought about this album at all. And as part of Record Store Day, it wasn't something that they were releasing in stores anywhere. But this album is being reissued by a label.

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And so I ordered it. And this is a band. I'm curious if anybody has heard of this band. It is a band called Oxiplegats and their album Worlds and Worlds. This is a dude that used to be in At the Gates back in the day. And after At the Gates broke up, he formed this band. And it's sort of like early symphonic black metal-ish kind of thing, like pre-Cradle Dimu. I mean, about the same time as like Cradle and Dimu were starting out, actually. It was like 96,

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I think was when this album, they had an album in 94 as well. And when this came out, I was like, whoa, this is cool. And I just have not, I think 98 was their last album. And so I haven't thought about them since then. And yeah, it's O-X-I-P-L-E-G-A-T-Z, if you want to look them up. Kind of a strange name. Yeah. Bukka has been so still during this episode that at times I thought my screen was frozen. I'm not joking. I'm just passing me. Well, no, no, I mean, you, John and Mark,

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Let's move on to our vinyl or other purchases.

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Vinyl!

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Vinyl! Purchases! Vinyl! Purchases!

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Mark, you have anything?

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I don't, because I don't have a record player.

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But I think I told this story off air. My wife said, "Why do you..."

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I buy one like maybe once every other month.

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And I said, instead, I'll buy a record player. And then I went to Goodwill and I bought one for $12 and it was broken. So the last one I bought was a Tool Undertale. I actually bought it at Soundgarden. I go there whenever I'm in Baltimore. Hell yeah. Great store. It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's very cool. It's huge. All right. All right, all in order. Finally picked up Atheist Elements. Oh, yeah. Again, with this band, the Contortionist Language, their Rediscovered Edition,

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I guess they redid a few tracks for that. Got the Mobile Fidelity version of Killing Machine by Priest. Catatoni's Sounds of Decay. Got the EP finally. Finally picked up Monolords' Empress Rising. The only two November Dooms. Vinyls, Thodic and Blood White. The Orancy Pazuzu again with them. Spiritual Beggars. Picked up three from Spiritual Beggars. Another way to shine Mantra 3 and Ad Astra. And they do it right. Not only did they get the vinyl, but they slip in the CD version with it. And they're all remastered.

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So, got that. And final one was Venus Sleeps, Dead World Worship. Got that on vinyl. Oh, wow. What is Venus Sleeps? That's like a doomy. Irish doom band. Okay. Basically like Monolord a little bit, I think. Yeah, kind of. Same kind of thing. Right at my alley. Fuzzy sound. A little psychedelic. A lot of bass. Oh, yeah. And I think a little more psychedelic than Monolord. Okay. A little bit. But it's cool stuff. Yeah, definitely. Jay. Mine is almost exactly one of my listening to lists. I picked up Cobalt on vinyl. Graves.

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C showed up. I don't think we talked about that. We've had an episode since I got it. And the Breedhammer. That's it. That's all my vinyl this month. All right. Weak. Buke. I did also pick up the Cobalt 2. It's not here on my Discog collection. I don't know why. Auroch. A-U-R-O-C-H. Auroch. Auroch. Vatsum, Hole Below, Hang the Bastard, Sex in the Seventh Circle, Sabaton, Swedish Empire Live. Oddly enough, I didn't have Candlemask, Nightfall.

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And Avatarium, the girl with the raven mask. Such a great album. I love that album. That was one of my top ones last year. It was. All right. Yesterday was Record Store Day. As I mentioned, I picked up the Nevermore album, The Politics of Ecstasy. What else? And the Solus Island album. Thanks to Rick, I knew about the Shrine of Ensenables vinyl release. Was Solus Island the Runaway Train guys? Yes. That's like

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The Crappiest Song on the album. Was that the album that you bought? Yeah. The album's actually pretty good. Can somebody unplug his microphone? I like their earlier stuff. They're more punky. Yeah. I also picked up the Shrine of Ensenables album thanks to Rick, Disciples of the Void. That is a good album. I received my first copy of Amanomarth's Yams Viking. Apparently I have a second one coming. I don't know what's up. My Discogs didn't update. I got that also. I bought that. Yeah. I got Immortals at the Heart of Winter.

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I got Megadeth's United Abominations, Carcass, Necroticism, Descanting the Insolubrious. I got The Graves at Sea, The Curse That Is, one that I was really excited about. I got Running Wild's Rogues in Vogue. Finally, from Greece, it came King Giant's Black Ocean Waves, The Beer Colored Vinyl. And they're right down the road from here. I know, that's funny. I had to go to Greece to get an album from Virginia. I got Bloodbaths,

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Bloodbath Over Bloodstock. And finally, I got Demi Borgir's Death Cult Armageddon. Sweet. Let's move on to deep tracks, Mark. So, I think you and I are of a particular age now that we're now 20 years older than things that were released when you were a teenager, which really starts to suck. I think if you're 60 and something that came out when you were 40 is not that big a deal. But when you said, man, I'm 33 and I was 13, or I'm 16 and now I'm 36,

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that is on my mind a lot when I said now everything like this year everything

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that's 20 years old is now from 1996 and so I was listening to uh tool anima or anima which is now 20 years old this year and one of my favorite songs from that album may not be a necessarily a deep track because it's a very popular song of theirs but it certainly wasn't a single but it's a hooker with a penis hooker with a penis I love that song yeah great they um I think they played that live last time I saw him believe it or not which was just like last year yeah it has such a very specific

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That's an interesting choice for a live, you know, if it was a crowd full of record executives or something. Yeah. John, what do you got? I don't know if it's necessarily a deep track, but I don't know if anyone thinks of this album or this song first, but Sabotage from Streets, Strange Reality. Yeah. That's good. Definitely deep. Yeah. That is really good. All right. Jay. When we started this segment a while back, George, his first one was off Ride the Lightning, and I thought he was going to say this song, and he didn't, and so I've been meaning to bring this one.

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up ever since. And it's Trapped Under Ice. Trapped Under Ice. Good choice. Off of British Steel, you don't have to be old to be wise. I just heard that. Love it. Yeah, that's a good one. It is a good one. That should have been like a popular single. And you know what? When they were on tour, they were doing this album when I saw them a couple years ago, and they stopped right before this song. No. Yeah, they played like the fourth song. I think this is track five. They played the four before this and then went on to different songs. I guess they're not.

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Not wise.

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That's weird.

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They're just old.

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I thought they did that on that tour.

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I don't think they did, if I remember correctly.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I don't remember.

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But you know, that was the British Steel tour.

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Yes.

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They didn't play the whole album, and I thought this was where they stopped.

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That's wild.

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Yeah.

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It's crazy.

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All right.

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Maybe they did.

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Maybe.

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Who knows?

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But I'm not going to take the time to read.

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It's a great song.

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It's a great song.

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Yeah, it's a great song.

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Going back to my top three, my number one band was Warlock, and from their Triumph and

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Agony album, this is the song Touch of Evil.

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Great song.

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Who?

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Exactly. It's deep. Come on. It's deep here. You're not supposed to like it right now when it's said. Yeah, you're supposed to go back and check it out. All right. Well, that pretty much brings us to the end, finally. If you're still awake after my long rant, we are finally here at the end. So before we go, check us out on SoundCloud. Check us out on Facebook. We are on Twitter. I am at DiscipleOVMetal. I'm at OpethFan. At CatatonicJ.

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Mikeluster69. Mine's my first initial and last name. I'm never going to get a job in the future if I don't change it. M. Franceschi. M-F-R-A-N-C-E-S-K-I. It's okay. You just post that music stuff. You're okay. That's right. We're also on Instagram. We're on YouTube. We're on Stitcher. And you can find us at wearemetalheads.com. I also want to mention, and I'm surprised we haven't said this before, but you should look us up on Bandcamp. On Bandcamp, you can find me under Metalheads Podcast George.

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How about the rest of you guys? I'm at Opeth. Sorry. No, on Bandcamp, I'm Opeth. I was able to snag that. Yeah. Seriously, my Bandcamp, your name is Opeth. That's sweet. I think I'm still like Cluster69. I'm checking right now. Yeah, mine's the same as my Twitter. All right. So thanks for coming around and giving us a listen. Thanks, everybody. We've had growing by the episodes, listener count. Yep.

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Feedback. Glad to have them. A few more weeks, we'll be heading to Death Fest and we'll be giving you some live coverage from there. Well, not so live coverage from there. If you're going to Death Fest or any of these things, reach out to us. Yeah, I think it's about time to mention that. We are going to Death Fest, so if you are going to be at Death Fest, get a hold of us and we'll have a beer or three and maybe you can get on the episode that we record while we're there. And the whole gang will be there. Yeah, that's going to be me and Buke and

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Jay is going to be there. The first meeting of all three of us. Plus, John is going to be there. Will is going to be there. I'm sold. I'm going to buy a ticket. Mark's going to be there. What day are you going? Neutrino's going to be there. All three that we plan on going to Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And as far as I know, our pals over at the Nine Circles podcast, Dan and Corey, are going to be there. They'll be there. So it'll be good times. So come on down and check us out. Say hello. And all right. There you

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We'll see you next time. You forgot something, George. I did. Go Sharks. Go Sharks. Fuck you. Go Caps. Go Kings, go. Oh, that's painful. Ha ha, just when you thought the episode was over, there's more. That's right, there's a last minute edition. A few days after we recorded this episode, Will and John and I went to the Fillmore in Silver Spring to see Amon Amarth, along with openers in Tombed AD and X-Men.

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After the show, we did a little bit of recording. That's what you're going to hear now. Check it out.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metalheads podcast post-mortem of the Amanomarth show at the Fillmore in Silver Spring. My name is George, and I am here with... Will. And John.

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And we are in the Fenton Street parking garage after the show. All busted the fuck up like a bunch of old dudes.

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Although Will's a little more busted up than the rest of us because what happened to you? So I was trying to call you to link up to go to the bar ahead of time because we're going to meet Blake from Pig Destroyer and they have those little L-shaped like crossing things where the cars come in and so a car came in it was up wasn't paying attention it came down and smacked me right in the head right in the eye busted up in my eye I got a half decent shiner showing right now so yeah just before even the show I got it.

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I'll bust it up. Yeah, you look like you had fun in the pit, but that's not the real story. So this was my second time. Well, actually, let's back up. First band of the night was Ex Mortis. What did you guys think of them? They're fine. I mean, I didn't know them, so it's cool. I mean, I definitely like them. They put on a great show. I don't have any of their albums, I don't think. But no, they sounded good.

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I was tempted to buy their CD, but I'll probably just download it. But no, it's kind of like a more thrashy Viking-themed metal than a Monomarth. Yeah, it definitely has that metal battle thing going on. Their cover has swords and stuff. I bought a shirt for Buke, and I think that's what's on the front of some dude with a sword and a shield and all that. And so metal is king or something to that effect. Viking metal, man. Viking metal. Yeah. I wasn't real... I don't know them well. I've heard them before, and I know that they're...

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They're pretty cool. I missed the first couple songs. And then I stood in line to get some Amon Amarth gear, so I missed a couple more. But I caught the last few songs and I thought it was pretty good. They definitely were entertaining, put on a great show. I mean, it's good musicians and I'll definitely check them out a little bit later more. I've heard them on Liquid Metal a bunch of times. Just never got the urge to download it, but I like them. Cool. So then after that we had Entombed AD, which

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I think somebody was commenting or maybe the group was, don't know if there's any original members other than LG Petrov on vocals. So I thought they sounded pretty good. I mean, honestly, I was telling John, I think Entombed kind of peaked 20 years ago when Wolverine Blues came out. And pretty much everything after that has just not lived up to that for me. So while I like them and respect them,

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and I keep buying their albums and listening to them. It just hasn't really been like, whoa, you know, I'm not blowing my skirt up or anything. I'm a big old school Entombed fan back from the early 90s. I remember buying, I think, Left Hand Path or... Clandestine. Clandestine. I actually was Clandestine. Sinners Bleed and all that stuff on it. And it was just, I remember being amazed by it. My good friend, Steve Angiolucci, which you know. Yeah, the Looch. He's a huge fan.

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I literally called him in the middle of the concert and just like dude I'm watching it I'm watching

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in tomb like and just held the phone up for him because he loves in tomb and that was one of the things we shared back in the day station and get mo but uh I was the thing I was worried about is because I don't know the whole story why it's in tuned in tuned ad and it's usually because like some sort of publishing rights or somebody's suing the band they change their name I didn't know if they'd be able to play the old songs and they clearly did but the new album is actually great the new album is back to old form in my opinion so in tuned ad

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sounds like 1992, 93, in tune. So I thought they put on a great show. I heard there's three original members, but I'm not, I can't verify that. I can't remember who told me that. But I thought they sounded great, energetic, played some, the only song I, there's two songs I really wish they would have played was Sinners Bleed and Evelyn, because my daughter's name is Evelyn. Yeah, I wish they would have played more off of Wolverine Blues. They just played the

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and one of my favorite songs by them is Full of Hell. I fucking love that song. But yeah, definitely the Entombed AD albums have been definitely a step in the right direction based on the few albums prior to those. So, and yeah, I'm not entirely sure. I know there was somebody from Entombed that was claiming the name, like a guitar player or something like that. And so, they could

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could hang out in court for years and try and get it resolved or they could just change the name and start making more music, which is, of course, what they did. Right. John, what did you think? That was cool. I mean, I've never actually seen it before. Yeah, I mean, I'm beat as shit, so. My name is John. You look like shit, too. No, you don't. You look sexy as hell, buddy. No, I don't. No, it was good. It was good. Okay. And then, of course, the headliners, Amon.

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This was my second time seeing them. How about you guys? First time. My first time. So as Amanomarth virgins, what were your impressions? A lot of Vikings. Very cool. I dug it. I liked it. I enjoyed it. Tons of energy on stage. Yeah, it was cool. For all those Vikings, how about a few Valkyries to spice things up a bit, you know? What's up with that? Yeah, that would have been nice. There's a lot of dudes on stage.

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and shields and beating the crap out of each other.

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A lot of hair.

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Yeah.

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I texted a picture to my wife.

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They're like, these guys need haircuts.

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Yeah, I was pretty amazed.

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I think that was the first time I've seen actual guys with chain mail and swords and shields battling on stage.

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But what was even more interesting was later in the show, they had two guys come out with longbows.

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And they're like pointing those things. And I'm like, don't point that fucking thing at me. So I was the only one who was kind of like following it the other direction. If he went right, I went left. I was like, I'm not getting hit in the eye with that thing. Yeah. It's like, you know, you could tell that it was probably like not sharp. It was blunted or something. But still, it was a really long, narrow arrow. And if they were like some guitar player bumped into him or something and they like let fly, I think somebody in the front row is getting impaled on that thing.

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Definitely poke your eye out on that one. Will doesn't need his left eye hit. He's got problems enough with the right eye. Yeah. So yeah, you know, the last time I saw them was on the Surtur Rising tour and that was at Jack's and which a much smaller venue difference. And you know, I think they just had like a backdrop of the album cover and that was about it. So they definitely had a lot more going on this time. They had at least three different large

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and different lights.

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And the whole stage was a giant Viking helmet with horns coming out and the drummer sat on top.

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So, I mean, what I've always heard about Amon and Martha is that they put on a great show.

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You will definitely be entertained.

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And I was certainly entertained.

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I mean, it was awesome.

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Yeah, I was entertained minus the douchebag in front of us who filmed the whole show and ruined every single one of my pictures.

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Thanks, douchebag.

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Yeah, you know, I'm self-conscious about this because I take a lot of pictures at the shows, but I'm trying to, you know, do this for the website because I'm actually thinking I might write this up. And, you know, you got to have a little bit of awareness about what you're doing. I try to keep it to the first two songs, which I'm sure nobody even remembers that that's a thing anymore because everybody's just got their cell phones out for the whole show.

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There was a couple of guys that were just filming like every fucking song and I just wanted to fucking body check them and knock their phone out of their hand and be like fuck you. I was really I was really hoping that guy's battery would just drain at some point and he's like shit. But I will say this he was better than the guy at Anathema who had an iPad up the whole time. Good lord. Yeah. And then there were the two guys in front of me the one burly bearded guy and and what I can only assume was his little bitch boy because they were whispering sweet nothings to each other the whole fucking show.

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Is that the guy who kept like hugging his buddy and his buddy kept like throwing him off and his girlfriend or wife was getting pissed? Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck? You know, you're paid to come in here and you're talking through the whole fucking thing and they keep leaning into my field of vision to talk to each other. I'm like, shut the fuck up. And then there was like three guys standing behind us going, why these guys from the podcast keep leaning in and whispering sweet nothing to each other's ears? Yeah, but see, we didn't do that. We're doing that now in the parking lot with all the people walking by going,

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What the fuck are they doing? So yeah, I thought it was definitely, they've definitely come a long way since, what was that, two, three tours ago? I think it was three tours ago. And yeah, it was a great show as usual. Yeah, it was a good crowd. I think they got probably, not capacity, but pretty close. Or at least about 80%. Yeah, at least there was one extra ticket that George could buy tonight. Oh yeah.

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So this is at least the second time I've done this. I got everything ready. I got the cougar bush. I got my little portable camera here to take pictures. I got everything and got here on time. And as soon as I got here, I was like, shit, I just drove an hour without my ticket. And so I was... Dumbass! Yeah. And so I was getting ready to go meet with...

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Will and eventually John as well and I'm like oh shit alright so I had to stop off at the ticket booth and try to buy another ticket and the woman there is like well if you bought a ticket you can call up Ticketmaster and they'll reset it and I can print you a new ticket and is he taking a leak? Yeah, the guy is pissing the corner. Alright. He's judging there so hard he must have pissed him right back on himself.

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But after many voice menus and wait times, I just gave up and bought another ticket. So double dumbass on me. I know I did this for Opeth once, too. I just want to say look for another Brewheads installment coming soon. Before the show, we met with Blake from Pig Destroyer, and he dropped off to the Three Floyds Pig Destroyer collab beer permanent funeral.

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I should hopefully be writing that up soon. Among with the gazillion other ones I have written up just not finished yet so my apologies. Is there anywhere around here you can get that because I would really like to try that. You can sometimes order online there's online beer stores that in the like Chicago mostly Chicago area where you can order them sometimes Minnesota Wisconsin so you can find online beer stores and if you really want to know I can send you the links but you can sometimes buy it online.

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Okay, yeah, I'd like to try that. I'm a big IPA fan and a double IPA fan. A double IPA is just more fun. So it's starting to get loud in here. We got anything else to say before we go? I'm tired. I need to go to bed. The old man has spoken. All right. Well, we will get out of here. And I guess probably the next time you hear from all of us, we'll probably be death fest.

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I get you on the guest list. Okay, well there's that possibility too. It's in Baltimore. It's Battlecross Suffocation Soulfly. Soulfly! When is that? I think it's a week from today. I don't know if I'll be able to go, but I really want to go because I can probably get in free. I know the guys at Battlecross. I mean, I just love Suffocation, Soulfly, and Battlecross. So it'd be a great show to go to. Just have no idea whether I'm going to get

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a hall pass for that one right what day is that thursday all right well maybe you'll hear from us sooner than uh death fest maybe you won't we will uh talk to you later see ya see ya good night