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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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My name is Jay. This is Will. This is John. Jeez, the gang's all here. Yeah, it's like a family reunion. But not only that, we've got a couple of the guys from Perihelion Ship with us as well. You guys want to introduce yourselves? Okay, I can go first. I'm Andreas Hammer. I play guitar and do the vocals for Perihelion Ship. And I'm Yanni. I play the keyboards. Andreas, your last name is Hammer? Yeah, it's Jones. And you didn't have any choice but to be in a heavy metal band. Yeah, of course. Is that where we get the American word sledgehammer?

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I guess so you guys just released your first album a rare thunderstorm in spring back in January can you give us a little you know history lesson on Perihelion Ship where'd you guys how long ago did you get started and what brought you guys all together do you want to start on yeah yeah well basically it started when our my my name Janice old band is banded around like 2012 or something we played like what was the name of that

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It was a really starting band. It wasn't really going anywhere. So it didn't really develop into anything. We wouldn't mind hearing the name nonetheless. Well, I'm not sure if Janine wants to give a second five demos. It was called Velen and it was a sort of symphonic metal band that we were starting out with a few rough demos, but it didn't really go anywhere. So we started our own band with Ansu.

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to do all that really heavily and more into extreme metal stuff. So it was like, it wasn't like enough interesting the stuff we were doing right at the time. So I decided to do something else. Okay. Yeah, I think the main point was that we were both looking with Andreas for something a little bit more like progressive. We were both really heavy into the 70s prog stuff. Anzu even more than me. He sort of showed that stuff to me and then we wanted to like have, because I was a really

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really big metal head so we wanted to somehow have that sort of like 70s complexity and we found it in opeth basically and we really both liked opeth so we wanted to do a sort of a similar thing do you like the uh the last couple albums from them yeah sure i mean i like a lot basically there's nothing really a couple of songs are a little weaker like obviously and but there are a lot of like couple of gems like the last song and

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The first one. And Heritage is okay. It's not bad in any measure, but it could be better. There are missteps. Do you miss the harsh vocals? No, not really. I don't know. It doesn't fit that new style anyway. True enough, yeah. Let me ask you this first. Were you guys first into heavy metal, or was it the 70s stuff that you guys started with? So, it was more, as I a little bit said there, Antsu or Andreas was

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I was more into the 70s prog thing and I was more into heavy metal when we started out. So I had been listening to Megadeth and Iron Maiden and stuff like that in my youth. Whereas Ansu then introduced me to all the Genesis and Yes and Pink Floyd and King Crimson and stuff like that. And I really loved that stuff too when he showed it to me. Sorry, go ahead. I was going to ask, Andre, how do you as a young man getting into

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music. You know, 70s prog stuff is an interesting genre to really latch on to starting out with. How did you fall into liking that? Maybe your parents? Did you just by chance happen to find a Yes album or something that started you down that road? Put another way to simplify that question. Who did this to you? Yeah, it's Andreas. And yeah, it was like I liked a lot of Led Zeppelin and Beatles before the prog stuff. I was listening to

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Like my father got a lot of Beatles records and that we listened and then he gave me like when I was in high school he gave me Selling England by the pound because we had already listened I had already listened to the newer Genesis stuff like growing up in the 90s so I knew Genesis but I didn't know the history and then he gave me Selling England by the pound and I was like what is this stuff this is amazing and you didn't know the real Genesis you know no no this is amazing this is what I want to hear and then I just like picked all the best rock stuff and went there and then I just like picked all the best rock stuff and went there and then I just like I just like

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That's funny you should say that because in my notes right here, I describe, I think you guys, as a cross between like Nursery Crime and Foxtrot from Genesis and like Ghost Reveries from Opeth. I hear a lot of the same two bands interwoven. It's really funny that we start this whole thing out and you guys are talking about the exact things I wanted to ask you about without even asking you yet. So thanks for answering my question without me asking it. So when you guys started Perihelion Ship, did you go into it knowing that you wanted to be both proggy

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and extreme or did it start off in one direction and then you were like well let's just add some more of this too? I don't know like I think like came naturally because like Opeth was so huge for us like for two years straight I don't think I listened to anything else like 2012 to 2014 it was like I listened to all the albums every day and you know it kind of formed that direction naturally because of that so it's great I think it lets the extreme fans you know get into something that they maybe

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I wouldn't normally listen to. And likewise, prog fans might be going, hey, that's kind of cool, that's kind of heavy, I like that. Yeah, I think they're sort of a gateway drug for a lot of different styles and things, you know. Opeth, that is. Yeah, I think, like, it was like Yanni's keyboard playing has evolved, like, so much during this couple of years, like, he has to learn new instruments, like Hammond organ and Mellotron, like, it's completely different than the synth sounds that we used in our older band, and, you know,

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You're used in metal bands using those like children's bottom type of synth sounds all the time.

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So it's a little different.

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There was a lot of like connection with I think Anso's songwriting as well that he sort of he was I think is this correct correct me if I'm wrong Anso but that you were sort of like growing tired of the like guitars you were hearing in metal until you found Opet and you like found that like new way of approaching things.

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So for me at least, I thought that was one really important factor. That there was this new approach that, hey, you can actually do this 70s prog influenced stuff even in metal. You don't like. Yeah, that's true. You know the one thing, John and I, and I don't know if you picked up on this, John, but John and I are about as big Opeth fans as there are in the world. The one interesting thing that jumped out to me about you guys is you have this real complex sound, but it's done with the work of

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One Guitarist. That, to me, is really interesting. Well, you've got the keyboard playing off of it, though. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That was, I think, Andreas told me once when we were doing the things that I think he more or less said that when I said that maybe we should have a lead guitar here to do this sort of thing. And then he sort of said, but can't you do that with the keyboards instead? So we don't have to. Yeah, it's like the Doors had a keyboard player instead of a bass player or a second guitar. So, you know, it works. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think you hear that combination on your cover of Hangar 18. I think the key's feeling just nice doing the other guitar parts on there for the soloing. So I think it works for me well. Yeah, how did you guys come about to record that? It was actually, our bass player is a huge, huge Megadeth fan. And I'm also, but I sort of, it was so long ago when I like listened to that nonstop. I was like 18 or something. So we thought that it would be like a nice, like,

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to do a cover because we had just come out from doing the first album and it was sort of a cool down thing. Just something fun to do. Practice. We mixed it ourselves. So some mixing practice as well. Speaking of mixing, and I kind of interrupted you there as I'm prone to do, can we talk about recording of the album and the circumstances? Did you do it in the studio? Did you do it at home? Just kind of run us through that a little bit. Yeah, sure. Where to start? I think we

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We had the first two songs about ready, like "Miss Blast" and "Emperor" and then we went to record them with our drummers, Jari's friend, "Friends Place" and then we just don't get like the performance wasn't good enough and the sounds weren't good enough. We were just happy with the end result and then we found Chris from he put his like announcement on the internet. There's the Finnish page for musicians where you can like find people and stuff.

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He said that he likes to produce metal for Finland because he thought that Finland lacks a metal producer basically. Sweden has two top-notch producers like Jens Bukrein and David Castillo and he wants to emulate those type of... To name a few. Yeah. And then we had a long talk and we started to do those songs with him.

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we tried to record the first. It's a practice place actually. It's like a cellar or something. Basement, I would say. And it's not very ideal for drum recordings. But still, like Chris got a very nice sound out of it, out of the place. Cool. And when you say place, it was an actual studio or what was it? It was a basement. No, it's a practice basement, like where our drummer's friend practices a lot. Gotcha. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, that we recorded the two first songs. And I think Yanni can tell more about the next two songs because he was there in the studio.

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Right, so as you can sort of notice right now, I don't think, I don't know if you notice it with the record, but so the quality of the songs shift a bit towards the end. And this is because we didn't do it like we didn't record them all at the same place as it usually should be done. So because we were on a budget and stuff like that. So after those basement recordings, or what to call them, the first two songs, we booked a new place up in Kovola, which is

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like 200 kilometers from Helsinki up north and we recorded the third and fourth track there.

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Ansu was not there. I was overseeing that. And it was again totally different environment for the drums.

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It was much better. It was not a basement. It was more like this semi-professional place which had much better sound and stuff like that.

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And we basically recorded those in one day, like six, seven hours. It went really smoothly. And then we came back again and we still had to look forward to the title track, which is over 20 minutes long. And that also would be recorded in another place. So the quality would shift a lot in that sense. That's interesting. I never really noticed it listening to it. It all sounded pretty good to me. I was going to comment on how for a first album, it doesn't sound like a first album.

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It sounds really seasoned.

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Yeah, so I have a question for you. This is Will, by the way.

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Sure.

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I have a couple questions for you guys because what you're describing almost doesn't make sense to me.

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And hear me out. So today I went on Encyclopedia Metallica. You can search by country for all the bands. And there is probably 200 bands that come from Finland that start just with the letter A.

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I was looking at the same list.

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Yeah. So there must be 10,000 bands that come from Finland, according to this website, which I'm assuming, which means that one of every five person, one of every five people in Finland is in a band. A metal band even. Yeah. Yeah. A metal band. So. But not all of those bands still exist. Right. Actually, there was there was a statistic about that recently, believe it or not. I'm trying to remember where that was. Oh, that was the it was that President Obama thing. He said something about per capita that Finland has the most metal bands or something like that. Right. And that's my point.

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So what was your question, Will? 547 per 100,000 or something. That's so good. I wish I knew that statistic about our country. So my question is, with that many metal bands in a population size of Finland, how do you not have a gazillion producers and a studio on every corner like you have a pub on every corner in the UK? It almost blows my mind. So there are a lot of studios, but they're also pretty expensive. And we were really on a budget.

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I was unemployed at the time. What were you saying, Andres? Yeah, I was thinking, you know, they list metal bands. For most people, it's just a hobby. They go to drink beer. That's basically what they do. And then they release some demo and then they get listed on metal archives. I think that's the reason. Are the bigger bands like Nightwish, who I don't think any of us on this show like, I'm guessing? I like the first couple albums. Are they like heroes in your

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your country a little bit or do you guys kind of look at them out of the corner of your eye or I mean what do you think of those the biggest bands well I can say for Nightwish my friend is actually living in the same town as the keyboardist Thomas Holopine and the founder and it's like this really small place really small town where everyone knows everyone and he sort of comes there from time to time and it's sort of like this like he tries to be like really low profile and and that's sort that he knows

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He's one of the soundspeople in that sense, but I think Nightwish in Finland is really... it's like... Finland is really like honored and like in that sense about Nightwish, but in that sense we're the same as you with Anso that we maybe... I like their couple of first albums, but otherwise it's a bit over my head or not my thing. What about... Actually, I saw them live in September. I got free tickets for the show.

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That speaks to Kylie.

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Free tickets.

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No, no, no.

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We saw them also with Yanni, with the Imaginar in Tomb.

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Yeah.

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That was actually really good.

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It was the show when they showed the movie right after.

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That was really good.

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But this September show, oh my god, was fucking atrocious.

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Really?

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Okay.

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It's interesting too that with your accents it sounds like Nightfish.

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Nightfish, yeah.

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So let's get all this talk out of here. I'll throw all this trash away. Let's get down to the real serious questions. I actually wanted to do you like beer? The World Cup of Hockey is going on right now. Okay, you can skip that. What do you think about Team Finland's odds right now? Because they're up against a rough game with Russia in about 20 minutes. You're asking the wrong people here. It's funny because whenever I meet and I've talked to a lot of hockey players for our local team,

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And I'm like, so do you know these metal bands from your home country? And every time I ask them, they look at me like I'm a ghost. So I thought I'd flip the script and ask a metal band if they watch hockey. And you got the same answer. I got the same answer. But just so you guys know, since you don't know much about it, I'll tell you this, all the good goalies are from your country. Yes. That much I know. I usually watch the important games from the World Series or something. Yeah. Basically, the World Cup is so,

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It's so rare that it happens. I don't remember because I watched a lot of hockey when I was young. You guys are about to play Russia, so hey, screw those commie bastards, right? Yeah. But it's like we've never... Because we have in Finland, it's a bit like it's so oversaturated. How would you say? It comes from everywhere and they love the world championships which are played each year, which Canada doesn't even care about.

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and they send 17-year-olds to play that tournament. And they still win it. Yeah. And when Finland wins, that was in a blue moon, like overjoyed by it, when Russia and Canada and USA don't even have their best players. Well, actually, you know what? Regardless of sport, I'm curious if you guys have a grudge match against Russia, since that's, you know, right across the water there. And also, you know, they have such an influence on the parts of your country that are close to Russia. I think our great Russian area is influenced

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Is there kind of a grudge match there? Maybe a little bit. There's always some like I think the media is trying to hype the players for like some like this big thing. But I think the grudge thing is really with Sweden. That's the big like yeah. It's not that much Russia ever than it's Sweden. Yeah if you're still talking about hockey yeah the grudge is definitely with Sweden. Actually I know this Swedish guy and he told me that when they lost

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It was last year. They lost semi-final or final? What the hell? I can't remember. Anyway, they actually had a huge tabloid. Like, what is going on here? How did we lose the suite? Yeah, something like that. So, let me get back to the album. Yanni, your Mellotron, you play. Is that decades old? Is it a new Mellotron? Was that like a thrift store find? No, it's actually a digital plugin. Software-driven. Yeah, I was wondering too.

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I would love to play a real one of course but they are super expensive and almost like in well basically impossible for my budget so yeah but there's a lot of like with the plugins and the digital stuff there's a lot of like tweaking you can do to make it sound like it's never like that you get the plugin and you throw it on and that's it you like layer the crap out of it and EQ the crap out of it and everything until it's sort of starts to

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sound actually correct and good.

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Let me ask you this.

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Are they still making those?

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Or is that meaning is the reason they're expensive because you have to buy a vintage one?

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Or are they?

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No, I think the vintage, the real vintage ones might be a little bit more affordable,

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but then they're impossible to maintain.

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So they are making like a sort of like new line of those like vintage in quotation marks,

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you know, models, which are like super, super expensive.

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It's the same with the hammer dog. I think I've seen like in some like it's a digital actually like a digital synthesizer basically with a melotron but it looks like a real melotron. It actually looks like one. Yeah sure. Yeah yeah but it's like much cheaper that way because you know I put all the tapes. That was probably the first thing gentlemen that stood out. When I heard your album I remember John and we also on the podcast we shoot albums back and forth almost daily or weekly.

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"Hey, check out this." John, I woke up one morning, John said "Buke, check this out." And when "Misplaced Rainfall" starts, which is track one off of "A Rare Thunderstorm in Spring," when that starts and the keyboards and the Mellotron kicks in, I was hooked right there from the start. And I can't recommend anybody enough, if you love keyboard work and you love that Mellotron sound, you have to go check this album out. It hooks you right from the start. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I felt the same way when you guys told me about it. It was like, it was sort of like a

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an infection that spread through the podcast. It started with one guy and pretty much everybody as far as I know is on board with this album now. Nice. And George, do you want to start? Yeah, sure. Continue. Go ahead. Go ahead, buddy. Oh, yeah. The idea came from, do you know band Anekduten? Have you heard of that? Yes. The Swedish band. Yeah, their debut album starts with a really beautiful Mellotron solo and it came from that, the idea. This is very beautiful music.

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Maybe we can try to do something with that type of idea and translate it to metal. What was it I missed the band that you referenced? Anekdoten. I'm sorry if I pronounce it the way you do. That sounds right. I can send it to you later, Jay. The Swedish is Anekdoten, but you would probably say it's Anekdoten or something. I still don't know it, but yeah, hook me up. So for the record, you guys mentioning Anekdoten, you would think that I'd be the only one who would know the

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the prog guy. So it's nice to hear somebody mention a band that goes that direction. Very nice.

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Have you heard their latest album? Not yet. No, I haven't. It's really good.

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It's really good. Okay, I'll have to check it out. So as you already mentioned, the title track is over 20 minutes long. Did that one just sort of get away from you?

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You're like, whoa, just can't rein it in. Let's just let it do what it does.

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Before you answer that, I was going to ask that, George. I'm glad you brought that up.

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I was going to ask if it's easier for you guys to write longer songs or if it's harder. Because I know some musicians like Mike Romeo from Symphony X has always said, it's easier for me to write a 10-minute song than it is to write a 4-minute song. And your songs are all long for the most part. So I'm glad you asked that, George. I was going to go right that way. What the hell were you guys doing on The Poet and the Mad Moon at 4 minutes and 48 seconds? Was that just like a brief thought? It was like a Philo track, so it's fucking shit. You were the only one in the studio?

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What can you tell me about the album cover art? Which is really cool, by the way. Yeah, so that's my friend from the university. He's like a hobby painter. He's a really talented painter, and he draws a lot of stuff on his free time, but he doesn't really do it professionally in any way. He just likes to paint something from time to time. And we share the same music.

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with him so he sort of can you know easily we can like walk into the same mood and you know understand each other so it wasn't like really hard trying to uh describe the like mood and atmosphere of the album to him he sort of got it on his first try so what was his name mikko jakonsari okay i thought we should i thought we should give him some credit you know what the thing is johnny don't even listen to george when you ask these questions because no matter if if you say it 10 times to us being

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Stupid Americans here.

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Yeah.

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Goes right over our head.

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I have to admit.

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By the way, can I add some, because we were talking about earlier about writing short songs.

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Mm-hmm.

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Was it John that said that quote?

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And actually, I kind of agree.

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Like, for our new album, there's going to be a couple of shorter tracks.

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And I've really struggled with those.

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Like, I've written the main riff, like, 100 times over and over until I'm satisfied with it.

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And it's really hard.

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Yeah.

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So I can agree.

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It is easier for you guys to approach 10 minutes, 12 minutes on your songs is what you're saying then?

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No, it depends on the situation I think. Like the 20 minute song, it was pain in the ass for me. I was struggling with it. I thought it was going to be shit, honestly. I thought it was going to be crap as hell. So maybe Yanni's keyboard saved it or something.

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I was going to say that I think the song is fairly seamless, meaning I think you guys transition between the parts pretty well because you listen to some bands, they'll write,

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Well, George and I can tell you, but we're not going to go into any diatribes about a band we saw at Prog Power. I heard that. Yeah, we did too, trust me. But you guys, in 20 minutes, it seems like within, I guess there's what, five parts to the song, it's kind of a seamless transition between each part, where some bands seem to struggle to make that transition when they want to do a different idea within the same song. So you may think it may have come out, or you thought it might have been shit. It sounds pretty damn good, I think. So I think you succeeded in that.

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Yeah, and as Hans was just saying that I think his sweet spot when writing songs is the 8-10 minute mark that he can do really good without having to backpedal too much with the writing and rewrite stuff. But then when it goes either over the 10 minute mark or less than 10 minute mark, then the problems arise. I like that. We're in 11 minutes, we've got to cut this thing off now.

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before he screws it up. I like that. It's like, I can go, I'm going 100 miles an hour, but 110, we're all in trouble, man. What you guys are basically saying is if you guys ever try and do something on, say, like a sleep level, it's going to be an absolute masterpiece of an album. I think he's talking about Dope Smokers. Yeah, Dope Smokers. Yeah, give you guys like an hour and a half to lay something down. It's going to be a masterpiece. So on the new album, you've got a song that's about 11 minutes and it just literally fades out of nowhere. We know that you guys just cut it right then and said we're done.

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It's actually just 10 minutes long and then the last 2 minutes are just... So we have talked to... Oh sorry, go ahead, Janik. Yeah, I was just saying that on the new album there's a super short song, which is really weird for us. And the idea was that I wanted to challenge Andrea's songwriting a little bit because we know a couple of good metal songs that we really like that are short. And I asked him that, do we always need to write the longer song? We could try writing a short song that's super short.

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I think it's under 2:40 or something.

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Yeah, but super short still, but it never really, it's still one of the best metal songs ever written, I think, and it's super, super short, and it still is able to have so much, like, stuff in it, even though it's, so that's amazing, and so that was sort of the reference that I told Anzu that could we try to do, and he, and I have to give it to Anzu that he, first he wrote the first version, then he wrote the second version, then he wrote the third version, and then the,

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They were like, now what are we on the fifth version or something? This is probably the third version, but I've changed a lot of the riffs. Yeah, one time he called me and asked me that this one riff, it's in 196 BPM. I think it should be in 197. What do you think? Prog people are the best, man. What a couple of nerds. That's splitting hairs, all right. Trust me, death metal bands are not having

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that conversation.

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Yeah.

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I think my answer was that I have no fucking idea.

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So you mentioned.

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Maybe it's just in my head.

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So you're working on a new album we're hearing.

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Is there anything you can tell us about the new album at this point?

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Like, do you have any sort of like, you know, end date in mind or, you know, how far along are you?

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Yeah, I think we got actually today most of the like drums done for now.

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And I think we might get next Sunday to get a little rest if some of the like really hard kick runs might have been a little loose so we have to get back because we actually booked the weekends and everything went so good yesterday and we got three songs done in one day and we started the fourth one and today we finished the last basically. Do you have any lyrics written yet or an album title or anything like that? Yeah so the I think are we ready to release Andreas the album title? I think it's

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Yeah, we're going to release it anyway on Facebook. Is it going to be like a common snowstorm in summer or something? Yeah, so the album name will be To Paint a Bird of Fire. Ooh, I like that. We love it when we get a scoop on this show. Yeah, and I'm trying to write a concept album with the lyrics, but it's tough this time because,

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Ich habe das erste Mal, weil es andersrum ist. Ich habe die Lyrics und die Musik

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and a chorus that's like three repeats only or something and I have to like hit that with it and it's really hard but I think it will come out okay I've already written like half of the lyrics or something so. I like that I'm now I'm picturing and is it Anders or Andres? Andreas I think. Okay Andreas excuse me. I'm sort of I'm picturing you purposely trying to write him into a corner and he's like there you go try to get your lyrics on that buddy. Yeah speaking of names I have to admit that first of

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I was really happy that you guys both have relatively easy names for me to pronounce. I spent a bit of time on a Finnish name pronunciation website trying to get everybody's names down and I'm like, these are the two easiest ones. Excellent. Andreas is actually Swedish and German. Right, exactly. So I was like, alright. I mean, you know, pretty much any Munsaro song title, forget about it. Yeah, I can imagine. There's just way too many K's and O's and U's and wow.

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We were thinking about writing the third album actually.

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No, don't give away too much.

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But I don't think we will do that. Maybe.

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Are you guys both in the same town right now?

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No.

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Where are you?

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It's like 20 kilometers apart.

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30.

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Is one of you in Helsinki or where are you guys from?

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I'm from Espo and he's from Banta.

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I'm living in the west side of Helsinki and he's living on the east side basically.

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Are you familiar with the place? I keep seeing ads for it where they've got these glass igloos that you can go and sit and sleep there and watch the northern lights. My wife keeps telling me she wants to go there. I know it's north of Helsinki. Everything is north of Helsinki. That's true. Quite a lot. It's like a thousand kilometers north. I know the place. But it's kind of creepy because I think what I've seen from the ads is the windows are open. You can see it through

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Yeah, it's basically like a glass igloo. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, my sister lives in Norway in Tromsø. And so we were trying to plan a trip where we could go visit her and then maybe do a road trip over to Finland to see that. Yeah. I've actually, this is Will, I've actually been to Helsinki a couple times and I don't think it's that dull and boring. No, but I was referring to the northern part when you're basically coming from Tromsø, which is like super, super nice with like high mountains and fjords and

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and everything just evens out.

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Have you guys seen this metal meme that says it's a joke and it sort of says 80% of a Finland park ranger's job is finding bands who got lost while they were getting their picture taken out of the building.

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Yeah, I've seen it.

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Yeah, sure.

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Yeah, I got a couple questions for you.

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The name of your band, Perihelion Ship, how did you come up with that? Because from what I understand, Perihelion is the closest point that a planet gets to the sun. So, and maybe I'm wrong on that, but tell me a little bit about how you picked the name for the band. Yeah, it was kind of a misheard lyric or something. I'm not sure how to say it. I was reading some, like, history on relativity, the theory and something, and there's this before it... I saw a broad cast do. Yeah, that's what broad cast do. And there was this competing

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theory with relativity, the theory of gravity at the same time. And they came up with the same result of the shift of Mercury-Spiri-Helion. And it's actually, if you derive it mathematically, it's actually the same, but it comes from different theory for the physics. And it was interesting, so yeah. Again, illustrating the vast chasm between death metal bands and prog bands. I was reading about relativity one day. But the funny thing was that we were thinking about the band name,

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And then Antwo, just because he had read that fancy stuff, he said, "What about Perihelion Shift?" And I misheard him saying Perihelion Ship. And I was like, "What? Perihelion Ship? That's kind of cool." And then he was like, "Yeah, well I was saying Shift, but Shift is okay." That makes for a good story. That's a great story. And that's the actual, actually. It's a good thing you heard the word "ship."

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And maybe some people will hate us.

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So they will name that name.

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I can't imagine.

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I'm pretty sure.

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One of these days you're going to have a two word review and you can guess what it's going to be.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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When you guys do play live, you just run through the album.

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And do you play live?

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Yeah.

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And do you play live?

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Really rarely.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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I would like to play more.

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That's for sure.

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But it's really hard to like, nobody knows who we are. We got like three Finnish fans or something, plus our girlfriends. So it's like getting the shows is really hard here. Like getting to know people. Of course, I'd like to play with bigger bands and so forth. What's the metal scene like in Finland? I mean, it seems like there's a lot of bands. Is there a lot of camaraderie between all the different bands? Or are there like, is there like rivalries between, you know, the black metal bands versus,

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the death metal bands versus the prog bands versus the power metal bands.

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There's maybe some, but we're not that inside the scene in that sense that we could be saying anything of value of that thing.

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But sometimes in a bar you sort of hear something, but no, we can't really comment on that.

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We would probably love to be in the scene in that sense that we could actually be fighting with someone.

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So you guys are like a hidden gem. Yeah, well, if you say so. Well, honestly, you know. After the millions of people who listen to this show, trust me, your sales are about to go through their roof. That was said a little bit sarcastically, by the way. Hey, guys. So you're a hidden gem. Yeah, we're working on it, but you know. Well, we'll go ahead. Yeah, so I have a couple questions for you guys. So by one time I was, one of the times I was in Helsinki, I got invited to a Finnish bachelorette party.

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Are you guys familiar how insane these things are? Yeah, you should see the men's bachelor parties. Yeah, what were you doing at the woman's one? It's kind of hard to explain how I got invited. Were you wearing clothes? It was like a weird situation where people were, it was like a scenario where they kidnapped the bachelorette, they took away her passport, they put her on a jet ski, they drove to Estonia, and then everyone was dressed up like fairies and drinking beer later. It was like, it was a saint.

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Does that sound familiar to these guys? Yeah, it's very familiar. Yeah, I just watched that porno last night, Will. What the heck? That was the reason why our Skype connection was down. Duke was commenting, finished porn. We were just joking about that. It was porn, exactly. Sounds like a prog festival. After being at a prog festival, I can assure you it's not.

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So my other question is... Was it lead down or something? No, it wasn't. It just was not wild and crazy. Although, to be perfectly honest, we didn't hang out at the Artmore, which is where all the party stuff was probably going down. So maybe it was. Okay. Did you have any other questions? Yeah, sorry. I had another question. And it is... Something a little more... Something not so down to earth, Will, okay? Ask a crazy question now. All right. So my second crazy question is, do you guys like beer? Yeah, absolutely. Of course.

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Are you drinking beer right now? It must be like 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock at night right now. Yeah, yeah, I am at least I don't know. I'm drinking too. And you guys drinking? What's your guys favorite style of beer? Maybe a brew you like? Brand? So do so well. I like a lot of beers, but in Finland it's sort of a bit complicated because the the Finns like beer, but we have sort of the like most terrible like stock beer that there is. And when I was to America at one point in the

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I could find all these crazy cheap ones that were so much better than the Finnish cheap ones. So in Finland you have to sort of pay for the good stuff. It's really expensive to buy good beer. So the Finns really don't want to always waste that much money and they sort of become jaded with this shit beer and used to drinking this really bad beer. Well you can find of course a little bit better brands.

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But in Finland, it's mostly lager. That's like not the dark or the dark stars. More the like really light lager. The German style pilsner. Yeah. Well, let's do this. Let's have a little beer roundtable. I'll start with what we're drinking so far. I hate pumpkin beers. I've said it numerous times and I'll stand by it till the day I die. Except Flying Dog the Fear. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. They're Imperial Pumpkin. I like.

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What's weird, you? Have you poured it in a pint or something? Can you show it? The color. I've never seen pumpkin beer. I will show you another one. Because this one's drank. Here in the States, guys, pumpkin beers have exploded in popularity. People like the fall season and they like the pumpkin flavor in their coffees and cooking and baking and stuff. Well, just in case you don't know, that's not actual pumpkin. It's called pumpkin spice. It's like a thing you put in pumpkin.

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All of this might mean nothing to you guys, but yeah, it's a thing here in America. And what's interesting is that they're supposed to come out around October, November, but now because it's, yeah, they're coming out in like July, August, they're coming out much earlier in the year so they could compete for shelf space. Thanks, Sam Adams. Now, Will and John, what are you guys drinking? Well, we started off, yeah, we started off, well, I started off with the Alpha Ox by Old Ox

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Brewery, which is the great Dr. Lang. Dr. Dr. Lang is the head brewer there now. And then we switched over. John brought back from Georgia the Wicked Weed Dark Age Bourbon Barrel Age Imperial Stout, which was absolutely delicious. And now we are drinking the Wild Heaven Craft Beers Invocation Belgian Style Golden Ale. And also very delicious. So thank you, John. Yep. From Atlanta. All right. And you know what? Really quick.

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I heard when you guys mentioned it on the pod, John, you guys stop in Mooresville at a beer shop. That's the exit that I get off of when I go to visit my parents down in Charlotte. Nice. Very familiar with that. Very small world. Oh, yeah. Ultra Ales was a great little bar. Ultimate Ales. I didn't choose one of you guys at a brewery or something. We've heard, Yanni has heard basically all of their podcasts, but I've heard like four or five. Twice. What? Twice, all of them. Twice. Oh, okay. Wow. Wow. Didn't you like, one of you have your own brewery or something? Yeah, Will does. Yeah, I brew beer for a living.

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Yeah, nice. Nice. Nice. What are you guys drinking? Sorry. I'm drinking this Karhu lager. It's basically like... It's a beer. It's actually beer beer. Like the animal beer. Is that what it's called? B-E-E-R. That's the name of it. That's the name of it. No, Karhu means animal. How do you pronounce it? Beer. Bear. Bear. Bear. Bear. Like polar bear. Grizzly bear. Brown bear. Black bear. And I've been drinking it the whole day. So for reference, you have Yingling there in the States. Yeah.

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So it's like Nanny Bo. So it's like Budweiser is what you're saying. Maybe 1% better than Budweiser. See how they didn't mention Coors Light guys? Good to go. We weren't talking about water. We were talking about beer. How strong, by the way, is it like the normal market beer that you get like Budweiser or something? It's like 5% or something? I think Budweiser is like 5.2 or something like that.

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But that's like strong. We got 4.6 or something. This fear I'm drinking is a 9%. Oh, man. Yeah. So far, we've been drinking. The Dark Age that John brought is 12%. The Invocation is 8.5%. And the Alpha Ox is 4.5%. That's a session. I don't really buy crafts anymore that are less than 8. Well, aren't you just Mr. Beer Snob? Yeah, you do not. Excuse me. Look at this alcohol percent snob over here.

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So, James, if you need help getting to your meeting, just let me know. You can use us in your 12 steps. Jordan, can you get a couple more questions? I want to know what the standard over there in Finland is because those sounded like high numbers to you guys, it seemed to me. Yeah, so we only have in the grocery store, the limit is, I think, 4.7 or 4.8. Yeah, but so you have to go to the liquor store, which is sort of controlled by the government, so it's only one place.

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that sells everything.

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We have states like that.

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I can see the Bugues face, that's fucked up.

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The government always in everybody's business here.

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In the United States, we have states that are like that.

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Our southern states all have very peculiar laws and rules that are very much like that.

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But here in California...

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All those Christians.

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But Baptists.

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What's the liquor of choice there?

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Liquor of choice.

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I think there's some connections, issues a little bit, but yeah, go ahead. I was just wondering, you know, what do most of the Finns like for liquor? You know, Russia is always, you know, vodka. Yeah, it's vodka for Finns as well. I thought it might be. Yeah, the Finnish vodka is a little bit different. Usually the Russian stuff is either super low quality or super high quality, and the Finnish is sort of there in between. And it's much more cheaper to, like, get drunk with.

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Vodka than it is with beer or wine. So usually it's just the one liter vodka bottle in your face and then you're ready to go.

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So after we're done recording, then you guys can link up with Jay and talk about your alcoholism problems.

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Yeah, we call. Actually, I'm curious. I have to ask one kind of cultural question and I'm sorry if we got everything we know about Finland out of a leaflet, but is it really the culture there? Do you guys have the culture where you go to the steam baths and all that kind of stuff?

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Is that really as big as I hear it is over there? Oh yeah. I've done it. To what? I'm using the word steam bath but there's probably another word. Sauna. And is that really as ingrained in your culture as I hear it is? Yeah. Everybody does that. It's probably the most traditional Finnish thing is the sauna. And is there like a lot of public places you can go to do that? Yeah. There is in every swimming what's it called? Swimming hall.

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I mean like this really like fancy places for that like you can have like actual like food in sauna as well if you want.

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Yeah fancy but in the sense that we also cram the sauna in every place you.

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Right, right. Yeah, like at the convenience store has a sauna.

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Our little place here has a sauna also.

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Yeah, right.

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When I was there I went up to somebody's like a lot of people have summer homes or whatever and then you the big thing is go to a sauna then jump into

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The Cold Lake, they get back in the sauna, jump into a cold lake, and that's what I did many times. That reminds me of the, I don't know, a year or two ago, there was an article about the guy from Winter Sun and how he was trying to do a Kickstarter to finance the studio that he wanted to build so that he could properly record the next album, and people were giving him a lot of shit because he was going to put a sauna in the studio, and they're like, why do you need to do a fundraiser to get money so you can have a sauna in your studio? It's like us putting a bathroom in a

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the studio. It's like you have to have it. Yeah, basically just that. I never heard how that panned out. The metal is better. Yeah. If everybody feels loose and all the toxins are out of your butt. Nice. So it's frog sauna influenced metal is what you're saying? Yeah, basically, yeah. Very relaxed. All right. Since we're on the absolute non-album, non-perihelion ship on the cultural questions, I do have one. And I want to know if I understood this right or if I'm saying it right.

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But from what I understand is that there when in Finnish if you want to say like holy shit I'm drunk you don't really say holy shit I'm drunk you say like butter pussy I'm drunk and it's is that correct? I have no idea what you just said. He said I think somebody sent you a Will. Did Will just curse you in generations to come or something? What the hell was that?

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He basically said that, oh, fuck, I am drunk. Okay. Okay. Because I'm wondering, I'm thinking somebody ran into Will before the show and there was like, you know, over there, they don't wear pants. Ask him about it. I've been there, man. They do wear pants. Okay, fair enough. All right. I don't know about anybody else, but I've got one more question before we get into the regular show. And I was curious, how accepted is metal in the mainstream in Finland? You know, is it like normal for people to listen to metal? Or is it like,

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- I think

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They're extremely commercial. So the commercial music is commercial and the noncommercial music is

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noncommercial. Got it. So it's the same all over the world. Exactly. It's the same all over the world. And you guys, you and your ilk are probably more well thought of over here than there as far as being mainstream goes. Meaning more people would know Amorphous here and hold them in high esteem than maybe in your own country. Yeah, I think we have like one Finnish fan or something. And the rest are from the US. I'm not surprised.

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I'm not surprised. It's the way of things in the internet world, man. Yeah. All right. Anybody else have anything, any specific questions? Obviously, we can continue asking them throughout the episode if they come to us. Of course. Yeah, if it comes to us. Can we all take a break maybe for a second? I got one more quick question. Yeah, sure. So because there's three languages in basically the Indo-European that don't have, there's three languages in Europe that have no link to the Indo-European,

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Yeah, style languages. It's Hungarian, Estonian and Finnish. So nobody speaks Finnish except unless you're from Finland. So you guys obviously speak English extremely well. What other languages do you speak? So I speak Swedish. I lived there for one year when I was like five. And I picked that up and I went to Swedish school actually here in Finland. So because of that. And well, Anzu, you speak a little bit of German, don't you? Yeah.

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Well, I understand a little bit of German, but I've lost it a long time ago. And a little Swedish now, because we have to, like, when we do the university degree, we all have to go, like, quite a hard exam about Swedish. You actually have to speak it, and the lecturer has to understand it, and so forth. Yeah, I'm just curious. So, as we all come back from taking a quick break that's been edited out that none of you realized we were on a break, I have come back, and I am drinking a Breckenridge Brewery.

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Pumpkin Spice Latte. What? You hate them so much, why do you keep buying them, dude? Because it's another stout that they have to check off the list. Okay. It's like, you know how somebody who likes to be whipped or spanked or something, they don't like it, but they need it. They're a San Damascus. Yeah. Yeah. I need this for the check-in. Fair enough. What are you guys drinking now? John and Will? We are drinking from Wild Heaven again, something called Civilization. It's a barley wine, and we're clocking in at another,

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12%.

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We'll be feeling pretty good at the end.

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I'm also drinking Wild Heaven.

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This is from our Atlanta spoils.

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It's called the Emergency Drinking Beer.

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That's awesome.

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I bought it just because it was funny.

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And unfortunately, I bought a six-pack,

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and four of the six just randomly exploded in my pantry yesterday.

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So I'm drinking one of the two that survived.

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Is the canning just bad on that, you think?

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I don't know.

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It's crazy.

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Literally.

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Yeah, it wasn't hot.

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It wasn't cold.

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It was just, you know, normal climate control. That's the emergency part. They're like, yeah, it's emergency. Drink it fast before it explodes. My guess is that the carbonation on it was too high or they left too much yeast in it and sugars in it and it started to refer, like bottle conditioning, bottle re-fermenting, but they did it in cans and cans can't handle the pressure. Yeah, it's crazy. That's what I would say would happen. It did not endear me to my wife who had to clean up the pantry and complains that it still smells like beer. Just put some baking soda and air gold way in a day. Yeah, that's what

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I said. All right. So is anybody else drinking anything new? Yeah. I'm drinking some red wine. Excellent. Shiraz or something mixed. Actually really good. Mixed with vodka. Yeah. Everything's better with vodka. You're going to have a long morning, man. All right. Well, why don't we move on then? So the next item on our list, if in case you didn't listen to the in-between episode that we posted, John and I just got back from Prague Power 17 in Atlanta.

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A few days ago, a little less than a week ago. And it sounded like Buke had some questions about that. I did. First off, it sounds like you guys had a great time. I was very jealous that my wife had to have surgery this week and I had to save my leave to take care of her. Oh, damn it. But all jokes aside, sounds like you guys had a great episode. And John and George, great job stepping up. Your friend TR, John, was absolutely great on the podcast. He sounded like a natural, didn't he? He did.

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He sounded like a natural. It was great to have him filling in. Something I wanted to talk about that was surprising to me was this was the 17th year now of Prog Power, right? That's correct. It sounded like the technical problems were very prominent this year. Which surprised me for a thing that had been going on for a festival. But I know Spock's beard had the big problem. But you guys, it sounded like each band, the first couple songs for a lot of bands,

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were a little hit or miss. And it would seem like something like Prog Power, they've done so many times that they would have this stuff just nailed down. I honestly think it's just random. The Spock's beard thing, apparently, George, I heard we were wondering what it was. It was the guy's laptop having a problem with the keyboards, apparently. Well, we've never had any problems like that today. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, Buke, I think that's just one of those years where it happened a few times. The Devin Townsend one, he had his own sound board.

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So I'm going to put it all on that, to be honest with you.

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But yeah, I don't know. I mean, they don't have they have one stage only, not two stages.

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So they don't have that extra bit of freedom to set up like a death fest like they do when everyone disappears to the other stage.

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And they can kind of just roll about. They have to kind of crank that out. And I don't know.

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And like you said, they're all volunteers. So yeah.

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And here's the other thing, too. I think it's the house sound person.

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You know, we used to go to Jack's and you see a show and you'd be like, my goodness, the sound is killing me tonight.

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It's because they were using their house guy. So I think sometimes we use a house sound engineer and the guys in the band here. We all know what the house sound guy is. Close your eyes and picture. 53, long gray hair. Ponytail. Ponytail. Hairinades. Wears glasses. Has his girlfriend or wife somewhere in the vicinity. You just described John, by the way. I'm 48. I'm at 53.

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A pack of Arboro Reds in his pocket. Open button-up shirt. That's interesting you say it, because it seemed like some of the bands we wanted to see the most had problems. But all in all, though, a lot of bands had zero problems at all. I mean, when Refuge went on, not only did they get set up fast, from the very beginning it sounded good all the way to the end. So I think it just mattered on who the band was. And any bands that aren't going to bring keyboardists or are going to pipe in a lot of symphonics had a lot of problems, it seemed like.

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Would you, John, have enjoyed it so much and gone back all these years if it was outside? No. Okay. It's because Death Fest is very regimented. Even though it's more laid back, it's more regimented in terms of the schedule. I mean, it's just one band after another doesn't stop and 11 o'clock comes and we're done. We're done. We're going. Frog Power can go on all night. It just depends on who's playing. And it's because of long layovers, you know, half an hour layover, it just seems like it's a longer day for some reason, even though we're sitting the whole time. It just feels that way. It was brutal.

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Just to clarify, it's Prog Power indoors. It is. Yeah, it's an indoor venue that holds about 1,100 people, and it's four days. So, okay. And you're like, you know what? Sitting down, that sounds harder to me. See, I wouldn't want to sit down. I mean, that's the cool thing about death. I mean, there were times when I wanted to sit down, but I mean, you can wander off and kind of move your legs a little bit and so on and so forth. I can see how sitting like that is like being on an airplane, you know, and going to Europe. Yeah. Here's the thing. You've got only like one stage or. Yeah. It's just one stage. Jay, you can get up. You can stand on the floor if you want. I mean, there's,

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There's a vending room. There's all places to go. It's just at Death Fest, you know, we only had to walk out to the one parking lot and then we could all stand out there and drink beers and hang out. You got to walk a little bit to get to food and stuff like that. Even though they had food at the venue, you wanted to leave the venue, you have to do a little bit of walking. So a lot of people end up staying at the venue. Plus, they have huge signing lines. I mean, George, correct me if I'm wrong, that line for Fate's Warning, was that over 100 people or 150 people, it seemed like? It was very long. It was long. So, Jay, it ends up that you don't want to hang out in the lobby because you got all these people who are there for the signings.

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you got all the food and beer out there and so you avoid staying and all that because it's just it's a ton of people on one spot is what it is did you um did you guys get anything signed i did no because i could give a crap about that stuff yeah but yeah me too my friend tr he got in line for fate's warning and he got lucky to get some stuff um and my other friend romey was in line for green carnation but i think that was all we did so as a group you know talk about fate's warning a little bit though because to me that was the i know it's the reason it's the thing that pushed george over the edge to go and it's a good reason to go because you didn't

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You're not going to hear John Archer sing much anymore. Not in a live situation. So how was that? George, I'll let you go first. But you guys did not speak on it as much as I thought you would. You guys just said, yeah, it was great. We knew it would be. Yeah, it's because it was what you expected. I mean, they came out, they played, they sounded great, you know, and it was what it was. They didn't have like a power and a presence like Devin Townsend did or like The Gentle Storm did. It just, it was, you know,

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It was good. That's why it didn't make my number one for the weekend, ultimately. I'm not knocking it in any way. It was great. I loved it. I loved being able to check that box off of my bucket list. What do you think, John? I think they came and did what they were supposed to do, which was play Awaken the Guardian. Everybody was happy. They were happy on stage, but there was no element of surprise. Let's be honest. We've all heard Awaken the Guardian, if you're a Fate's Warning fan. You expect it's going to be good because even though

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The Guys haven't been playing that much. You still expect that it's gonna be good because they're all good musicians. So we got what we paid for with them without any big surprises. We knew they were gonna play other songs off the first two albums. And whereas with Devin Townsend, if you've ever seen him live, just from Will's reaction when he saw Devin Townsend the first time in his first question he asked me, he's like, what's the deal with this guy? If you don't know him, you've never seen him, or if you don't get him, it's not a culture shock, but you sort of feel that way because he brings a whole different world on stage. And he's very serious.

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Yeah, it was just that lineup from the

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Awakened Guardian. So they played songs. It was basically, George, correct me if I'm wrong, it was Fate's Warning, and they kind of said featuring John Arch, even though it was the five guys from Awakened the Guardian, and they played only songs from the first three albums.

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Yeah, the new album is another entity of Fate's Warning. It's another lineup.

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John Archer wasn't going to sing any non-John Archer stuff, I think. Right. No, and you know what? I don't think anyone would want him to either. I wouldn't either. Yeah, neither would I. Yeah, just like, you know, I don't have a problem if they don't sing any John Archer stuff with Ray Alders or singer. That's fine. I have no problem with that, so. Yeah. But you know what my highlight of your guys' prog power was is that for once, Buke had the upper hand when John could not say, Ghost Ship Octavius. Octavarius. Yeah, and I could say it without issue, and John,

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and slipped up and kept messing it up. I have to say that your pronunciation of the Finnish Shaves of Despair album. Oh, the monotony. Yeah, monotony fields. I can assure you that there's 0% of people in Finland who will pronounce it monotony fields. And I think the band members as well are calling it monotony.

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- Wow! You're a closet fan! - I would be surprised, I would be really surprised if the band members were calling it Monotony Fields. - Wow! - Yes! - In tune with the band! - Wow! We stand corrected. - That explains it. - That explains it all. - We stand corrected. - God, I wonder how many other things he's right about that we don't know. You know what I mean? He's like an idiot savant.

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You won't know his true genius until years after he's passed. Get enough beer in the system, so. Yeah, exactly. I was saying epitome until George corrected me as well, so. You guys get a pass, though. Yeah, I couldn't possibly pronounce any Finnish words correctly. Oh, God, no. You can pronounce, Voi vutu maul ganisa. My mother was a saint. You take that back. All right, well, if you don't have any more questions,

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Let's move on to the news.

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The most recent news, which was kind of a bummer, was that Bolt Thrower is finally calling it quits.

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Even though they haven't been active for a while, there was always that hope and the occasional interview question of, you know, you guys working on material and things like that.

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George, they're both throwing the towel in.

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They were getting ready to do a tour or a couple of shows in Australia.

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I know that.

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And it's a shame because I'm somewhat of a latecomer to bolt thrower.

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Latecomer being, I didn't listen to them back in the early days, but been a big fan recently.

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And even at Atlas, one time when we brewed one of our Ponzi IPAs, we were listening to Bolt Thrower one day.

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And we actually put the date code on the bottom of the can, had the date, and then bolt thrower on it. I sent it via Twitter to Carl, the lead singer, and he was off the charts. He was so happy. He said that there wasn't really much of a chance of them coming back to the US anytime soon, and now it's ever. So it's a little disappointing. Their drummer was their John Bonham, so they decided we can't go on without him, and you've got to respect them for that. Yeah. Got a lot of good albums to hang on to anyway. There you go. That's looking on the bright side. Yep. That's one of those bands for me,

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that's always been a sort of a black spot that I never listened to them, and I should. You could easily have not, though. That's a band that goes under a lot of radars. Yeah, I think actually the whole news list for this episode is like my black spot. Well, then there's something for you to learn, right? Yeah, it shows all my black spots for the news feed. If you go back and listen to Bolt Throw, go listen to the song Kill Chain. It's awesome. We are sort of annoyingly all-inclusive on this show. Basically, everybody loves everything

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So next up, Metallica, they just released a book called Back to the Front. We've been hearing about it. Jay's holding up his copy right now. It's a book that visually, for the most part, visually documents the Master of Puppets tour. Well, and verbally, too. I was going to say mostly, just because there's a lot of pictures, but there is definitely text. I love this thing. I'm going to cut you off, George. I'm sorry, but this is the kind of shit that I live for, man. First of all, this is, I think, one of the greatest metal records of all time.

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No matter what you think of Metallica now, and you and I may think the same thing. But this thing is minute detail, but there's amazing stories in here. Cool stories about the Aussie tour and stuff, stuff you didn't know, cool things that happened, and unfortunately, a very detailed description of the bus crash. The book actually starts with the bus crash and then goes back a year and tells the story, literally almost day by day, of Astro Puppets. I fucking love this, man. Who's the author? His name's Matt Taylor, and he approached them about this book, but he apparently did one that was very similar

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to this about the movie Jaws. And it was like this obsessive telling of Jaws and how it was made and they were like, fuck yeah, if you're going to do that to us, knock yourself out. It's amazing, man. This is one of the best metal books I've ever gotten. I love it. It's amazing. It's amazing. Plus, I don't know what it is, but I can just stare at pictures of these guys from that period that were fucking cool at that time. Since it's a book, I would take your advice that's good, Jay, and I'll leave it at that. But dude, there's lots of pictures. It has a lot of pictures, man. Actually, Jay, we had today's recording session. We had Metal Ligas.

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As an inspiration, we had a picture about right in the lightning time when they were really young. In the wall, they had a huge picture. It's got to be back from that era. So if you love that era, this book would probably be a treat for you. That's for our bass player and drummer, mainly. They are huge, huge Metallica fans. I want to recommend this to metalheads out there. It was worth, what was it, 30 bucks, George? Something like that, yeah. George has a copy, too.

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This is one of my coolest purchases in a while. Excellent. Next item, I'm just going to sort of zoom past unless anybody's got much to say about it, but Mickey D, now formerly of Motorhead, joined the Scorpions as their full-time drummer, so I'm glad to see that he's got something to keep him busy now that Motorhead's no more. Yeah, he's the Dave Lombardo of commercial metal right now. I think even Dave Lombardo, I mean, I didn't know Dave Lombardo was playing with the Misfits. We'll get to that later, but anyway. Glad he found a home. Yeah, we can skip the next one. We already talked about that, about Fate's Warning.

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playing Awaken the Guardian. Is Mickey D Finnish? Swedish, I think. Oh, thank you. So that means everybody from Finland hates him, if I have learned properly here. We love the Swedes, not in a gay way that they love us. Oh, I think the first blow has been struck. That was expertly done, sir. Nice. Not in the gay way that they love us. It's not gay, it's in a three way with Norway.

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Yeah, they're sort of in the sandwich there.

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That's it. I'm moving to Finland.

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That party, it's awesome.

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Yeah.

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So unfortunately, we learned that Leonard Hayes, the original drummer for Y&T, has died at age 61.

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I didn't know him very well.

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I didn't even know his name, but I was a fan of Y&T, particularly their early albums.

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So it's sad to hear if his dad...

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George, I don't think he's probably on any of the records you like.

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I think he was that original.

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Wow.

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Yeah, he might have been on the first one or two, but that's right here in my neighborhood.

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I grew up in the Bay Area. I was in San Francisco when Y&T first started. So I remember all those early records and everyone loved them. And then Summertime Girls came out and I was just like, what in God's name is this? Believe it or not, John, I like that record. Oh, God's worse than the Black Album. What was that, Jay? Believe it or not, I actually like that record. There's some good songs. Sorry. They played 10. I love bitch. Yeah, Jay, I don't know. I'm going to stick with Black Album.

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I'll stick with those. John likes Y&T, but he's not gay for them like Jay. To use the Finland-Sweden analogy. The Finnish insults to Jay, fine. These were the newest parts where I was writing these small notes on everything, and I have no idea, no idea, no idea. No, no, no. This is what you have. No idea, no idea. Swedish gay joke, no idea.

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Pause for laughter.

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All right.

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So, uh, I think Will's had too much.

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When he gets that long laugh, you know he's had too much.

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Cut him off, John.

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Don't just join me.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, everybody was speculating why Izzy Stradlin wasn't part of the, uh, Guns N' Roses reunion.

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You skipped one.

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Yeah, Overkill.

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Oh, I did.

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Damn it.

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All right, well, I'm going to say this one now anyway, and I'll just go back since we already started it.

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So apparently Izzy says he wasn't on the tour because they didn't want to split the money equally, which seems to be a common problem these days. Yeah, I wonder what's the problem. Actually, you are paraphrasing. He wrote they didn't want to split the loot. Yes, I did. They're pirates. Let's get it right, George. Sorry. You know, they were offering him five figures per show, so it's probably, that means it was less than $99,000 a show, and it was per show that they were going to do it. And I, you know, the only record I like by them is the

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And he's really important to that record, whether people realize that or not. I always really liked him. He's hugely important to that band in the early period, and they kind of dissed him, I thought, so I don't have a problem with him telling him to stick it, basically. Good for Izzy, as far as I'm concerned. Yep, I agree. I agree. All right, so the one I skipped over is Overkill's new album called Grinding Wheel is tentatively due in November. Aptly titled, I might say, because these guys are relentless. They are. And they're all pretty similar, with all due respect, so Grinding Wheel.

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We can probably have a guess as to what it's going to sound like. Yeah, I'm totally fine with it sounding the same because it sounds good. Yeah, I do like the last few albums a lot. I thought a nice return to a film. You know, as far as the... Iron was probably the best of the last three, I think. Yeah, I agree. What's that? We don't know what tentatively it means with Andreessen. What's that? Oh, it means it's not carved in stone yet. It could change. It may not come out in November. It may come out in November.

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There is a little interview with Bobby Blitzer. Blitz. I'm sorry. Bobby Blitz. That's like the guy from R.A.T. That was. Bobby Blitzer is from R.A.T. Yeah. Anyway. I feel bad about that. But anyway. And basically he was like. Even him in the interview was like. It's a fucking Overkill record dude. He doesn't try to paste it up or anything. The one thing I love about Overkill is. They kind of remind me of Slayer. So if you look at the expanded big four. To the big six.

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to eight or whatever. Overkill always put out consistent, good albums, didn't slow down. Anthrax slowed down. Megadeth had a couple... They had more than a few shitty records. Metallica, obviously, for like 15 years sucked. Yeah, by the way, it's my metal influence, but is Overkill a crash metal? Yes, yes, yes. I'd call it thrash. It's a little bit, not quite, quite thrash, but the people call them a thrash, man. But, George, do you remember the episode where you,

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We're talking about the big eight of trash or something. Big ten. Yeah, I think the big four should be expanded to include Overkill, Exodus, and Testament. Did you exclude the German trash? I did, partly because I think the German trash are in a league of their own. They have the trinity of Creator, Sodom, and Destruction. Yeah, I think the Catholic trash or something they call it. Yeah, because I felt they were heavier than the American trash.

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I remember hearing Endless Pain and then Pleasure to Kill. It was heavier than just about everything else. It was almost deathish black metal at that point. That older stuff especially. By the way, speaking of all the episodes I've listened to, you were speaking about the pro guys, like the high and mighty.

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And that's us.

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A little secret that us pro guys know.

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Everybody else in metal thinks we're the high and mighty,

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and they do the same exact thing.

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You talk death metal with death guys,

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you talk black metal with black metal guys,

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it's all the same crap.

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It really is.

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Everybody thinks they're the best.

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We actually say that we're better than everyone.

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I think of you as the Star Trek fans

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that got beat up during the lunch period,

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but whatever.

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And I love Prague. So that's I'm just fucking. Hey, Jay, I got to say is George knows this, but Devin Townsend said something very funny. Darren is a Prague fucking nerds. Yeah, he called. He started calling everyone Prague fucking nerds. And then he just screams out before he starts. He did. No, he did Prague nipples. He screamed out before he started his show. He screamed out. I'd rather be a nerd than a fucking pussy. And the place literally went crazy when he said that. And then the curtains opened up and he started out with.

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A Brian Adams song.

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So what do you expect?

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You know, just to show my true prog metal, though, I mean, which is to say M-E-D-L-E or whatever it is, I was a friend of mine went to see is going to see Remnants of Yes here in the next.

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I think maybe it already happened.

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And I was really pissed.

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I didn't buy a ticket when he told me they did like the whole first side of Tales from Topographic Oceans.

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So, you know, I'm a prog nerd.

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Yeah, right now, there's only like two guys.

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Hey, Jay, there's no one original in the band anymore. What about Steve Hackett? Steve Howe came in on the third album. Steve Howe. God, I'm getting every name wrong today, Steve Howe. He's the only classic member left, yes. But that's it. Yeah, totally. Nice drop of the word yes there. Yes. You saw what I did there, right? You saw what I did there. John doesn't agree with me that the greatest yes song ever is Owner of a Lonely Heart.

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Fuck away.

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Can we cop George?

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I'm an odd podcast or something?

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Yeah.

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I've been saying that forever.

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Thank you both.

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Yes.

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Oh,

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I'm excited.

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You just made my day because he said that to my friend,

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T.R.

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and I,

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we literally just looked at him like,

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you're going to get your head cut off in like three seconds.

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It's the only one I know.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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yeah,

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that is,

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that's hurtful.

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I'm going to take this one,

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George,

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even though you're probably more freaked about it than anybody else here,

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but Voivod,

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or as George pronounced it,

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Voivod,

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is working on a new concept album for Century Media.

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Now,

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first of all,

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Is this their first record for Century Media? Where's the last stuff on there? I think the EP thing, their single that they put out, I think that was on Century Media. I thought they were actually getting ready to release a new album this year. So this announcement sort of threw me, but I'm like, whatever. I'm still happy that they're working on it. We might still make this year. And also, by the way, never did follow up on doing an interview with... Away. Away, yeah. Yeah, that was my bad, probably. All right, I'm more excited about the next news story than anything. Yeah, so we've been sort of, a few of us anyway, that are

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Misfits fans have been lamenting not being at the few reunion shows that they did. But according to Jerry Only, the guys would really like to continue a Misfits reunion. They'd even like to do an album. And he said that everybody's into it. So, you know. I couldn't give a shit less about an album. I don't care. But God, I hope they go on tour. Yeah, I would really like to see them. And I did not know that Dave Lombardo was playing drums with them because I was reading the little clip about it. And he was like, you know, oh, Jerry likes this and Glenn's this.

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and Dave. And I was like, I don't know who Dave is. And then I saw another article that said that Dave Lombardo was playing live with the Misfits. I'm like, that guy gets around. Yeah, playing with Suicidal right now, too, who I'm about to see. By the way, I'm going to the Megadeth Suicidal Amon Amarth, somebody else show here in the next week or two. You know, the there is Evan from Pilot Priest was at one of those shows. Yeah. Or no, no, maybe he. Yeah, he was. He was. And he was it when somebody fucking went to that one of our Facebook friends. And he was like,

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And he was all, it was like, it was fucking one of the greatest things he ever saw. So yeah, middle Chris was at that show from DC. Maybe that's what he was out in Colorado. He was out in Colorado. He said, he said it was unbelievable. Everything he wanted it to be. What is the like best city for the gigs? Like where does every big band go to? America's huge, you know? And so really, man, pretty much the coast, the city, most of the cities on the coasts, like, you know, on my, I'm in California. So San Francisco, LA, New York. I mean, we don't really have festivals here, you know, like,

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like you guys do. We've got Death Fest, but that kind of shit the bed. It's like not fast. It's just like the big monster all around the coast. Prog Power. People play the middle of the country too, but everybody's got a sports arena, and if your band's not big enough for that, we've all got something like the Fillmore Theater is like a thing here on the coast, and everybody's got some equivalent to the Fillmore. So it's like you're either playing for 1,500 people or 15,000. That's really funny you guys should say that because Prog Power is going on its 18th year.

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as one of the longest-running fests. And while it's a small one, they get some of the best names in metal. I mean, at least on that side of it, you know. Like Haken. I don't even consider them worthy of being there, personally. Is it? Really? Fuck Haken. Fuck Haken. Fuck Haken. We need to talk about Haken. It is awesome to have guests join us that can throw shit and jokes back at us for they listen. I love it. I often wonder if when people listen, they think, boy, these guys do not like each other at all.

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Which I don't think they do. I was laughing so hard. There's only two episodes I have laughed so hard. It was the last Prog Power episode. And then my favorite, all-time favorite episode was the part when you had one drunk guy on the show. Oh, Matt. Drunk Matt? Wait, is that Matt or Will? It was Matt. Have I told you guys about this band Pagan's Mind? That's what Matt's been going on and on about. I have listened almost three times to the episode when I was

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I've been playing PlayStation or something, just toning out and listening. So I crack up every time when he goes like, you know guys, like Hope Beth with Michael Akrafel. That's my favorite part too. He's got the heavy, oh man. It's like the worst description of a band ever. So Testament released a lyric video for the title track for Brotherhood of the Snake. And I gotta say, I was pretty impressed with that. I am too, but I'm officially starting a movement to stop the lyric video.

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I'm sick of those fucking things. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's horrible. Yeah, okay song is great super heavy, but it kind of has to trail off at the end a little bit and I get I think at the end I think at the Tonya crack the code with the typewriter thing because Now but I'm serious actually I think that was actually kind of cool. You know, in a way, like creative. Yeah, yeah, yeah So you can do something with it But you have to like think about it first and not make it karaoke. Yeah, not just find something

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who knows how to use some presentation software. Put some goats and stuff in it in big words. It'll be cool. Goats? Yeah, it's a metal thing. Yeah, goats. Well, not goats. Baphomet. Baphomet goats. Hey, why not throw a llama in there while you're at it? Nah. Nah. All right. So Crowbar also premiered a new song. It's called Falling While Rising. And that was kind of good, too. I don't think it was as good as the title.

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I've never admitted this but I don't care about crowbar well fuck you Jay I like crowbar I know you do but I just don't do anything Jay I'm with you on that I I don't dislike him I just don't get him we were thinking with answer are you talking about the weapon in Half-Life or actually since you guys don't know him would you like to slip a little Swedish gay joke in real quick anyway

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Suicidal Tendencies also got a new album coming out called World Gone Mad. And they just released another song off of that, actually, called Happy Never After, which was pretty quick and short and sweet. I didn't hear it yet. I was wondering, I listened to it, I was wondering, was it just a snippet of the song? Or is that the whole song? Because it's probably like a minute long. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, they come from the punk roots. But they haven't touched it in years. So actually, that gives me hope that they might move in that direction a little bit again. Because, you know, I loved the 90s stuff. It was amazing.

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It's still hard to... Amazing. Teach. That's it. You guys actually listen to this podcast, don't you? They do, man. I get called on it every time. But I... I'm still waiting for the beer first. Yeah, his beer is amazing. No, he'll step on something here before it's too long. But that first seminal record, you know, they could kind of just revisit that. I need some more drinks for that, so... What's that? More drinks for that? More drinks. Yeah. But I love the song, the first song they released, Clap Like Ozzy. Yeah, cool.

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It was almost inside Metalhead joke song. Can anybody do that? I don't know, but I can picture it. It's like you have Down Syndrome when you're clapping. I don't know. Ouch. Oh, go with it, man. Nailed it. All right, moving on to new releases. I'm pretty sure you know what with Down Syndrome. New releases. Now, new releases. Okay.

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First one is a band that I didn't know was around anymore, and I guess maybe they didn't either because they haven't actually released anything for a while. It's a band Ancient and their latest album, Back to the Land of the Dead. I haven't heard anything off this yet, so I can't comment, but I did like a little bit of their earlier albums, so I'm guessing nobody else listens to this. That's a negative on my end. No. Okay, moving on. I listen to Ancients, but not Ancient. Yeah. Charred Walls of the Damned is also releasing Creatures Watching Over the Dead.

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about Ripper lately. So I haven't heard anything off of this yet either. So hopefully that'll be good. I pre-ordered it. And I think the problem is that the leader of the band is Richard Christie, who's the drummer, who was in Ice Earth and Death. And he is he works for the Howard Stern show. So he has to record and do everything when the Howard Stern show goes on breaks. So I did pre-order. I listened to a couple of songs and it sounds like Charballs of Dam. Sounds good. Excellent. I didn't know this next one was even, you know, on the horizon. But Ghost just released a new EP.

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called "Pope Star" and they've been streaming the song, I think it's called "Square Hammer"? Yeah, I bought the... Horrible! No, it's not. It's good. I like it. Horrible! I'm not a big fan. I'm on the fence. The first one is like basic Radio Ghost, but the rest one was... I haven't decided yet. I have listened it like three times. This is a fucking... This is a pop album. These guys keep becoming more... Yeah, I know it's not true this day and age. It's been like that since the first album. No, it isn't, George. That's crazy to say. These guys...

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These guys become more poppy with each song they release. I think it goes back and forth. I think the first album was good. The second album was crap. Third album was good. This one seems like it's more the poppy kind of... I think they're all over the place. I think that's the issue. They keep going back and forth between... I mean, no matter what, it's not... You can barely classify it as heavy metal. But it's not... Sorry. I'm talking about the ghost. Yeah, so, Buke, do you think the whole EP is poppy?

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No, I listened to it.

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The whole thing?

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Yes.

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Oh, okay.

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But I think what they're putting out there to try and sell it is very poppy.

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The first one is really poppy and the last one is also quite poppy, but I think everything in between is, again, quite like...

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Ghost.

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Yeah.

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Well, that goes to my point, is that there's all over the place.

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One album's not as poppy, the next one is, and they keep going back and forth.

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And here you have a small EP, you have everything.

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I remember when I saw these guys live with Will earlier this year I want to say you look at the crowd there's a lot of younger kids there there's a lot of women in the crowd you know what do they I hate to say this I don't think they are this way but they have become a hot topic band I mean that I think that's where I was going with what I was trying to say is that I don't think it's taking Satan to the masses no you know no it's not even bringing Satan it's that you know Slipknot's popular because Slipknot has their

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thing that they do. It's the perfect thing for angry, you know, junior high kids to like. This is just, and you think, I don't think people are latching on to the lyrics. It's that people are seeing the whole theater of it. And you're like, hey, this is something cool. You know what? It's what the goth kids would be doing now if the goth kids were around, you know, and they are probably still around. I don't fucking know. But to be fair, their first album to where they're at now is nothing like where they're at now. Yeah, but Bjork, to be fair, that has happened in the music history, like,

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times and times again when something has been popular. But then when you have gone back to it after it has died down, it still has lived on. Led Zeppelin, for example, was hugely popular. Pink Floyd was, I think, one of the most celebrated in those pothead party bands. But now you're looking back to it and it's actually really, really tasteful.

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The irony is that the stuff becomes overblown and then you can forget how good some of it is at the core of it. Yanni, I meant to tell you guys, you guys didn't know the word tentative, right? Well, you might know it by the Finnish or Buke pronunciation, which is tentative. I meant to sneak that in earlier. I didn't have a chance. Excuse me. I only heard about this secondhand. My friend Josh was telling me about it.

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the new Metallica song, The Hardwired, and they remixed it with the guitar tones from each of the different eras. Like, you know. Hold on, you just stepped over Will's awesome joke there. That was awesome. I don't know. But I like where I like where George is going with this because this is my biggest problem. This is one thing that I discovered recently. Go ahead. And so they, you know, they remixed it with a Kill Em All guitar sound and a, you know, Master of Puppets guitar sound. And each time they did that, it sounded like the song would have fit on the album.

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Like if with the Kill 'em All guitar sound, it sounded like it would have fit on Kill 'em All. I feel like it already kind of has the Kill 'em All guitar sound a little bit. It's closer to that than anything else. I think that's funny because people complain about how their songs have changed and it's not necessarily, according, based on this, it's more that their guitar tone has changed. And if you ask James, I don't like listening to James sing anymore. Well, I would say, I would say this is I 100% agree with George and I sort of agree with you, Jay, is that yes, I can't stand James

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I don't think that we forget the way he used to sound. It's not like he was a very harsh vocalist to begin with. But the biggest thing that when I was listening to and I did pre-order the album, which I've said before, is that it is it's the guitar tone. It's got this weird sort of guitar tone nowadays that if they just just change their processor or change their amplifiers or a head or something like that, like the song Hardwire probably could be something that came out off.

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I think it would have been a b-side from Kill 'em All. I mean, just bear with me here. Metallica is basically a corporation now, and a corporation is not a creative environment. They create products now, and that's really shitty of me to say that, but we're never going to get that angry, young, fucking furious thing they used to do. With all due respect.

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I think there was some Brazilian guys or something who did the whole Sand Anger album all over.

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I heard about that.

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They re-recorded it. I liked it a lot, actually.

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I actually liked the songs, too.

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I honestly have to tell you, dude, I'm one of the few people that thinks the songs on the record are not that bad.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Hanging up on a lot. A lot of it's the mixing. The mixing is horrific.

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There's a song on there called Dirty Window. It's such a fucking good song.

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Hey, Andre, so who did, what Brazilian band or who in Brazil went back and remixed this?

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or redid it? No, I can't remember. They didn't remix it. They played everything. You can find it on YouTube, Will. Okay. They didn't remix. They played everything from the start. Every song. And the vocals and everything. My fundamental problem, though, still is James. I mean, somewhere along the line, he decided every word ends with yeah. You know, and it just doesn't work for me anymore. All right, then. So I'm guessing that John's probably like chomping at the bit going, come on, get on to the next one. Because I know he wants to talk about it.

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And then the next new release is the new In the Woods album, Pure. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you guys are... Yeah! Yeah! Come with your hands, yeah. All right. Oh, boy. I don't know if you guys are In the Woods fans. I like In the Woods. I think they're kind of cool. First album in 17 years, and it dropped on Friday. I liked it. I mean, I have to give it some more spins to see what I really feel after I digest it, but I thought it was pretty good. I know, George, you had not issues, but the vocals weren't winning you.

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They were a little monotonous.

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You know, he doesn't vary it a lot.

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But I mean, the music on the new album is phenomenal.

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I thought the music was great.

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Yeah.

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So I think it's just an album.

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But you have to.

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It might be a grower.

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Yeah.

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I think you have to give it a lot of spins.

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Not a shower.

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Oh, it shows and it grows.

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So yeah, I liked it.

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I don't know if you got anyone else's listened to, but I thought it was pretty good.

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Actually, we just started with Andreas to check out In the Woods.

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Oh, okay.

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We started with the Omnio album.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I recommend it.

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So your fans then?

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Well, it's not the most epic thing we have ever heard, but it's good.

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Maybe, go ahead, John.

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No, go ahead, Jay. I was just going to describe it, but go ahead.

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Only that I was going to say our fellows in Finland could maybe take this next new release.

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Yeah, by all means, move on, yeah.

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Yeah, and I'm curious what Buke thinks of this one, because I know he was listening to it.

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The New Insomnium album Winter's Gate, which is just one 40-minute song. Finish, correct? These are finished, fellas, aren't they? Yep. Yeah. You know, this is exactly the Insomnium that I've come to like the past couple years. My only problem with this long album being one song, and I listened to this when I went down to visit my parents a couple weeks back, is when you hear those parts you really like, you're like, since it's one track, it's harder to go back. You've got to fast forward and rewind trying to hear that.

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Yeah.

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But if you like albums like I like we all do where you like to just put an album on and just let it play. This is perfect for that because this album since it's one solid track it takes you on a journey because you just put it on and you just let it play.

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Just to clarify you have listened to the album.

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Yes I have.

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Yeah.

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So do they start with the same intro as the seven last albums?

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Ouch.

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You could also level that at Iron Maiden, by the way. Slow bass intro, song takes off, and with a slow bass outro. So is that a little bit of criticism we're hearing from Finland? No, no, no, no. That sounded like a very pleasant, heartfelt remark. Yeah, they're doing their mellow death thing. It's not ours. I think they actually might... I actually like some points of the albums, but they sort of blend together all the albums with each other,

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and I can't really distinguish. I call it, with a few friends of mine, we call it like drinking metal. Because it's like, you know, you can put it on and the double bass will kick in and epic melodies will kick in and you can drink beer and you can forget about it. You don't have to think about it. Yeah, good for you. But the thing is, though, with this, is that with it being one song for the whole album, it does just kind of just become this one mass.

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Those songs are so different. With this, you're not like, oh, that part at the 25-minute mark is so different than the 33-minute mark and then the 40-minute mark. It's just kind of nothing really stands out, but it's not that. I was wondering if that's why you guys didn't like the new Gorguts thing as much as I did, because that's like a 30-minute song. I didn't like the new Gorguts because I thought the recording quality was just horrible on it. It was. Just to be clear, I would, on these all-new releases, I would say something.

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I only try to buy my music and I'm not that rich so I'm still buying the old albums I need to buy and then there's new albums coming all the time I can't keep up with those so yeah we're lucky we get a lot of promos from the record labels so we get a lot of different variety they want us to talk about them so yeah but yeah but and on the other hand everybody on this everybody on this podcast spends a lot of money on music yeah regardless of the free promos yeah and we and we are I think the man pretty much

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Hardcore and none of us steals music. We buy our music or we get promos. Just to prove that point, Jay, I bought the Perihelium Ship album as digital when there was no CD a week after it came out. And lo and behold, the CD came out a couple months later and I bought that too. That's how they get you. I don't know who these guys think they are, but they rook me. But it's a pretty good album. And then vinyl will be forthcoming and then the remaster. Get your checkbook out, John. Bastards.

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Next up is an album that both Jay and I have been curious and wondering about when that was going to drop and what it's going to sound like. And that is the new SOG album, Memento Mori. It's okay. Yeah, I still haven't had a chance to listen to it. It's all right. I mean, it's about like, it's kind of like the second one. It's, you know, for me, and I'd kind of told you this, George, for me, the first record was so good. I mean, really, I still listen to that record and I've got all of them, but they just took a left turn somewhere and they're kind of doing a different thing now. It's pretty cool.

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It's pretty cool. It's funny. We've been talking about Pink Floyd because there's a lot of weird dark side of the moon elements on this record. But anyway, which does not jive with Sog if you know the first record and stuff. But it's okay. It's okay. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. It won't make my year-end list. But weirdly, man, this next one is probably going to be on my year-end list. Not weirdly, but it's just like I don't know how big of fans people are here. Really? Yeah, and it's great, dude. At least what I've heard of it. I don't have the whole thing yet. Interesting.

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Assuming you're talking about the new Trap Them album, Crown Feral? It's fucking badass, dude. Everything I've heard off it, I love. And Chris, or excuse me. Props to Galen. Neutrino? Yeah, tell Galen that I'm really into his new record. And he should send me a free copy because right now there's only like four songs available. We've got the promos in the box. Oh, it's in the box? Yeah. Goddamn, dude. I've been listening every time they've released a new song. Because I was like, it's Galen's thing, I'll check it out. I fucking love it, dude. It's like a heavier, thrashier sort of Isis type thing. I mean, meaning it's got a little post-metal to it, but it's good.

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I can't recommend it highly enough. Really good record. That sounds actually really good. Yeah, I love it, dude. I love it. I mean, it's like hardcore meets metal, but it's more metal than hardcore. It's really good stuff. I just saw a question go across my screen that went through the Skype messenger that I thought maybe we should vocalize. And the question was, John, how did you hear about our album? Yeah, so I, like everyone else on the podcast, was on Bandcamp, and I saw the cover, and I was like, huh.

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That's interesting. I'm going to have to check this out. And immediately, like Buke said, I heard that opening riff and I was like, okay, I'm going to sit down and put the earphones on and listen to this. And all the way from there. So literally, I caught it, I guess, about a week after it came out on Bandcamp. Yeah, we love Bandcamp. Bandcamp's our friend. Yeah, I have to say that the opening riff of the first song, what's the first song again? Miss Bless Friend. Yeah, so that didn't catch me. It has a lot of the organs in there. But the opening riff of the Emperor's Idea, just those harsh

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vocals that opened the song that got me that was amazing yeah i mean yeah it's like it's

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actually kind of kind of funny because uh we've we've gotten so mixed reviews like uh it's either that uh

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you guys like you who like like that sort of stuff like really much and and uh like praise it or then it's

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like uh that basically that it's opeth opeth opeth opeth the whole review the whole review reads like opeth

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And I would be inclined to agree with certain parts, especially in the first two songs. But then afterwards, as the song progresses and we sort of started to find our own style with Andreas, I think it sort of grows quite far away from Opeth. And we've had many friends who said that, for example, the last track doesn't sound anything like Opeth anymore.

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I do find myself liking a lot of Opeth style bands these days like Perihelion Ship, like Wokan out of Georgia, Wayfarer. There's a bunch of bands out there that sound a lot like Opeth that I absolutely love, including you guys. But I'm still not the biggest Opeth fan. But Will, have you gone back and be honest, have you listened to Blackwater Park? Yes, I have. Have you listened to Still Life and all those albums? Yes, I have. And maybe because

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maybe it sounds a little bit more overproduced. I don't know. I'm not sure what the difference is, but I do like bands that sound a lot like Opeth. Like the few I just rattled off. You know, with apologies. I've noticed, like, it's mic working, by the way. It's probably working, yeah. But, Justin, yeah, what were you saying, Andreas? I've noticed about the, there's a huge, like, trend. There's a lot of bands, like, doing the deliverance style of Opeth riffing. And if nothing else, that speaks so highly.

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of them, dude. They are now at that point where they've influenced a whole new generation of bands.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Have you guys heard the new one yet? I was asked a while ago.

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Not the album, but the singles, yeah.

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Yeah, the singles, yeah.

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Of course, we've got it. That's one of the promos we got.

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Yeah, we've heard the whole thing.

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Oh, man.

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It's good.

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Just info.

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I actually like it better than the last two.

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We won't.

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I'll just tell you this.

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To me, there's like a really kick-ass deep purple element to this one.

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Nice.

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And the rockers are just fucking rockers, dude.

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That's a shitty way to put it. And the non-rockers are non-rockers. But I like those most, actually. And you were so right, George. Will-O-The-Wisp is so fucking Jethro Tull. It's ridiculous. But not that I have a problem with that. Yeah, it does have a nice song from the wood type of vocals. Yeah, yeah. And even the guitar part, you know. Yeah, and I a little bit maybe cringed when he did the sort of Ian Anderson kind of with his voice, you know. At least there's not a flute on it.

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But just to make one thing clear with the Opeth reference that we're not really afraid with Andreas of admitting that we are really influenced by Opeth. It's not like we would be like, oh, we're, you know, so we have never heard of Opeth or anything. Of course we are influenced by them. We just fucking love the stuff. I think that's like the best music I've heard since I've heard the Genesis albums. And it's a compliment. I mean, there are worse things in the world.

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people say to you, wow, you guys fucking remind me of Opeth, dude, because they're an amazing fucking band. Yeah, and I think it's kind of funny somehow at points when you read reviews or something that you might hear that someone, you know, in other genres, for example, there might be a lot of like, wow, this sounds like At the Gates, Slaughter of the Soul, or wow, this sounds like this and that, but then if it's with Opeth, it's always a little bit touchy, you know. I think you're right, yeah. So just let me throw,

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My two cents in real quick about your reviews and then we can move on. I think you guys tend to blend your genres of the things that you like and that you want to play. So I was saying to George earlier, so if you're a metal fan, you love parts where you guys use the harsh vocals. And if you're a prog fan, you love the clean vocals. It's funny to think that I don't know too many bands that blend over so well on their first album like that. And if that's what you were talking about earlier with the reviews that you were getting people like this or people don't like that. I think that's a good thing. I think people are talking about your music.

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Yeah.

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You know, and it's from completely two different realms that have merged together over the last few years, I think.

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I think you guys just hit it on the head.

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So to me, it's a good thing.

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That's all.

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Yeah.

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And it's not like you're an Opeth fucking tribute band.

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I mean, it's its own thing.

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Jay, I'll be honest.

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You know, the third and fourth song on the album really remind me of, even though it's a modern sound, I really feel like I'm listening to some 70s cool prog stuff.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's some real nice guitar work and acoustic work in there, and they get heavy when you need to.

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I think you guys blend it really well to be honest.

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Thank you.

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To just further that compliment, that is a very Opethian thing to do,

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but it doesn't necessarily mean you sound like Opeth.

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What it really means is that you have similar influences.

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And you know what I mean?

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So you're your own thing, and I know you know that.

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But, of course, people who review shit online are lazy as hell, as you know.

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Look at it like this.

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It's not like you're a Van Allen-influenced band and you're wearing, like, Steel Panther clothes.

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So look at it like that.

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Oh, no. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, Steel Panther is awesome. I enjoy the occasional Steel Panther. Great lives. You can use the move to Flint. I mean, that's like his fucking country over there, dude. Sometimes I'm trying to grow the Michael Ockerfeld mustache, but I can't do it. So you look like a 1970s U.S. porn star? Yeah, that's taking years of experience in trimming, right? I'm going to move us on to the next. We got one last new release.

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That's the band Usurpris and their new album The Regal Tribe. That's not actually going to be out until like next week, but it'll be out before we post this. So I thought I'd include it. I think I have to correct you, George. I'm pretty sure that must be pronounced Usurpris. Okay. That's me. I don't know. We should ask Buke. Yeah. Usurpris. Usurpris. Usurpris. Yeah. You know them, George? I've listened to them a little bit and I haven't, I don't think I have a promo for this. I think I've just heard a couple of songs on

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And it impressed me enough that I wanted to include it in here. But I still haven't had a chance to hear the whole thing. What manner of thing is it? It's kind of deathy, sludgy. Yeah. I can dig that. We are now going to do the top three for this week. What are we doing?

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We are doing the top three favorite metal bands from Finland. Hot damn. That seems topical. All right. So what we're going to do here is we're going to start with the perihelion chip guys. You guys can figure out amongst yourselves who wants to go first, who wants to go second. Then we're going to move on to John, then Will, then Jay, then Buke, then me. And start with your number three. Start with your number three and work your way to one. Yeah, I think we have a very similar taste here. Number one, Wintersun, of course. No, start with your number three. Ah, fuck. Fuck that. Oh.

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BLUE IT! You had one job! They're on the other side of the world, maybe that makes sense somehow. Yeah, do your number three and then we'll all go around and do our threes. We're not professional actors like Kate and Creepin. Alright, so what's your number three? Number three I think it's Stradivarius for me. Oh, alright. Yes! It's just so influential. Yes! Probably some more of those. Awesome choice. Okay. It's just like all around everyone loves them and their music has influenced so many people. I was thinking about choosing

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"Swallow the Sun" here, maybe. But it's still a young band for that part of me.

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What did you think of that last record? That last group of records? "Swallow the Sun"?

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Too long.

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Yeah, I've heard it twice now and I liked it a lot. I think there's a lot of good material to go back to for me.

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Yeah, George and I both liked it a lot. And I think maybe John liked it too.

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Oh, I loved it. I think we all liked it.

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And by the way, they would be my honorable mention too. I agree. I didn't put them on because they're just not that new. Moving on.

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So my top three would be Ensiferum. Give us your number three. Ensiferum or Enska as we say in Finland. Really? Is that the actual pronunciation or is that some of the in-joke or something? No, it's a nickname for them. It's Enska. They're the band that spawned Jari Mämpä. I saw them that long ago. I would probably say that they're the first band to introduce me to extreme metal because I was listening to Iron Maiden and Megadeth and some Metallica and

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Even some punk stuff like Ramones and oh and Manowar of course and and I think NC Ferrum was the first band with like screaming and you know like extreme metal stuff but I would have to say an honorable mention which I had to fight off from here is George's favorite sentence. You'll be hearing that a couple of times that feels strange. Because we actually we really love that band with my friend when we were listening

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I had a lot of music on my summer place. But it never got stuck in my younger years. I still like it, but I never carried it with me from those times. And then Siferem, I still put on Iron or the debut album at times. Even though we're kind of doing this top three, I'm sure, in honor of you, fellas, I honestly feel like George chose it just to say Sentenced again.

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Sentenced on the show.

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Yeah, I was actually thinking about asking you about Sentenced earlier,

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but then I decided to wait and save it for here.

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Do people like them around there?

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Are they popular in Finland?

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Yeah, they're kind of a legend,

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because the guy died in the band.

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Mikai, or however you say it.

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Yeah, Mikai.

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And my friend was at the Farewell gig up in Oulu,

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which is sort of the most central part of Finland.

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Yeah, they're not mainstream, but they're probably the biggest legend in the underground heavy metal scene. Old school. That's too bad they're not going to be on my list. Fuck off. You're so full of shit. Will, what's your number three? Kip John. I'm sorry, John. That's all right. All right, so I'll be the first guy to say it. I have a ton of honorable mentions, but we'll just pick one honorable mention on the list just because they're here. And they wouldn't say it themselves, but I'll

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I treated my list a little different. I kind of went with some new bands on mine just because I'm listening to them a lot. But my number three is being called Pressure Points. Maybe you've heard of them, maybe you haven't. Yeah, I've heard of them. Thanks to you, we checked them out. Oh, yeah? Oh, cool. Awesome. Yeah, I think this was ProgressiveMusicPlanet.com. I checked them out. No, I actually heard them from this podcast. Oh, you heard? Oh, okay. I heard of them.

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I have my three but not in any particular order whatsoever. My one caveat is because we are on with Perihelion Ship I did not include you guys but I do love it. So I will just say it's not my number three but my top three Amorphous. Okay. Nice. Number three somebody's got to say it and I don't mind being the one to do it. It's even called Bubblegum if you want but it's Children of Bodom. I really think they've had some good records.

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They're actually kind of an interesting band in the sense that they split the fan base so hard. Because there's the guys like me who like the first two albums, maybe even the third one, and really dislike them after that. And then there's the guys who tolerate the early stuff and really like more, how would you say it? A little bit commercial stuff.

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There's also the guys who think that, well there's this group of guys that think that, which I guess I'm a little bit as well, that they're really so skilled and so technical players just for the sake of that. He's also a real interesting guitar player though too. He's interesting to listen to. He's not just twiddly-widdly all over the place. I like his solos. And I have to say, I think it was more than anybody else on the pod. I thought the last record was actually pretty good. I didn't listen that much. By the way, you were speaking about Children of Bottom on one pod.

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and you were wrong about one thing. Alexi is actually doing both lead vocals and lead guitars in that band at the same time, which is kind of crazy because he is playing the lead melodies while he's singing, which is kind of crazy. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. You guys can correct us on all our finished mistakes. Yeah. Or any mistakes. Nice to have an expert in the house. For that matter. I feel like this is like an annual job review of what we've been doing. Well, I feel like we should start making sure we're getting people from other countries and they can tell you what they're doing.

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Let me tell you what you got wrong about France. You know what I mean? That brings us to Buke. I'm going to be the only one here on this ledge. My little power metal self. So now the Artica, my number three. I should have almost mentioned that as an honorable mention. I know you guys aren't power metal guys, but I am. And they're one of my favorites. Actually, we are. I can't speak for you guys, but my podcast co-arts here. Yeah, never listened to power metal.

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Didn't get a prog power. Just because you went to prog power doesn't make you a power metal fan. Yeah, okay. Just because I went to death fest doesn't mean I like black metal. Yeah, but just to clarify, we really like some power metal with Andreas. I think that's such a difficult genre because there's so much stuff and so much of it sounds exactly the same and it's hard to wade through it. But when you really find those gems that are really speaking to you, then it's fantastic.

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I recommend their 2001 release Silence and then their 2004 release Reckoning Night. Both great albums. The early albums in general. Alright, I want to ask you about my honorable mention. The band called Stone. Do you guys know them? Yeah. Do you like them?

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Don't let George wrong harm you into saying something. You haven't checked about. They say they suck. It's okay. Shut up and let them talk. I can't hear them. It's actually pronounced. George is pointing the knife to the camera. You better say something about stone, guys. I'm sorry. If they're done talking now, could you answer that? The correct pronunciation is stone. Are you kidding me? I'm pretty sure they're making that up. All right. Well, anyway, that's my honorable mention.

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My number three is Winter Sun. That might be a good choice. Might be. It's somebody's number one. Yeah. No, no, it's not. Put that money on it. It's going all according to the plan. Sorry about that. Number two for me, I think Moon Sorrow easily. Cool. So many good releases. I'm sure Trevor is with you on that one, our friend Trevor. All right. Keep it going. Yeah, mine is also Moon Sorrow. I actually think that it's so much better than... It's actually a really, really good

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And from Finland, it's if I would list my like top five or top ten metal bands of like all time, Moonsoro would make it quite high because I really love, I haven't really gotten around to listening to the newer stuff, but I'm still like so hooked on the older stuff, so it doesn't really matter. The new one's great, by the way. The new one that came out this year. Yeah, I heard so, yeah. But I haven't, because I don't like streaming music, sort of like just checking it out, checking it out and, you know, forgetting.

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I just want to buy the vinyl or the digital and really sit down with it.

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Yeah, have it in your hands.

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You said the magic word there, vinyl.

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John.

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I'm going to expect the guys to correct my pronunciation.

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I know Jay is probably in the same camp in terms of liking this band.

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I don't know if you put him in his top three.

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But please correct me on the pronunciation of this band.

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That is Aronti Pazuzu.

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I absolutely love these guys.

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I like the whole psychedelic thing they're doing.

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So that's my number two.

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Yeah, I think Pazuzu you have right.

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May I counter John with this and say gentlemen keep doing what you're doing but if you stop singing in English you'll lose me as a fan. He will not listen to it if it's not in English. Of course he understands every word you're saying when you're doing the harsh vocals but nonetheless. By the way. We can translate it. I can sing the next album when we're doing it in Finnish and I can like separately sing it for you. Yeah. Special Buke version.

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Just sing in Finnish and put the lyrics in English and no one will know the difference and Buk will not know the difference either. And Reyes will call me. So I want these lyrics that when you are playing it forward is in Finnish and when you are playing it backwards is in English. Actually I think that's how Finnish records work already. You don't have to do anything to it. You play it backwards, they're in English. What the fuck? Alright, so my number two is Swallow the Sun. I'll be honest with you John, I didn't know Aranci Pazuzu was from Finland.

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So they'll have to go into my honorable mention. And I also wrote this down two days ago. So I am. It's just a coincidence that I'm in with the perihelion ship guys. Moonsorow is my number two. Amorphous number two. Sky Forger is still one of my top albums of all time. They maintain such a high level of fandom with me. So pretty simple amorphous. Cool. My number two is Swallow the Sun. Yeah. Sorry about the number one, because I think it's kind of an inside joke for us.

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Because when we're talking about metal, it's always, Winter's on, yeah. And you can cut it out if you want to make this show much better, but it's kind of like an inside joke for us, Winter's on things. So, of course, yeah, number one. All right. George, it's actually pronounced Swallow the Suna. Yes. I'm never going to be able to be sure of anything again. All right, who's up next? I forgot it was Andreas. Yeah, I was after, and it's Winter's on.

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for me as well.

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Oh, there you go.

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Yeah, because...

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But it was world surprise.

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Well, the first Winderson album for me is up there with Opet's Still Life and Edge of Sanity Crimson,

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because it's...

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I don't know.

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He's been overproducing the stuff now and, you know, trying to make everything work.

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And he's kind of his own worst enemy in the sense that he's like...

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He has a battle against himself.

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But the first album is just flawless. There's so many fantastic tracks in there and sometimes you might find riffs that are absolutely stunning but because you just haven't noticed them because the riffs earlier were so good. I just keep coming back to that album from time to time again. I hope that he will get his shit together now. Go ahead.

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is my number one. Okay. Will? I'll take some flack for this, but I just love all the songs about drinking. Korpiklani. I thought you were going to say that. Pronunciation, please from the judges. That's actually interesting. Korpiklani. Korpiklani. Yeah, I just like being a brewer and enjoying my beer. I just like how fun it is. I like them fun. I've heard from my Korpiklani authority that their newer stuff sucks. But that the old...

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that the old stuff is fantastic.

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But I never...

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Yeah, I know the older stuff, so it's fun.

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I saw them with...

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It was a tour here in America last year, Ensofirim, Corporal Cloney, and the almighty Trollfest, who I fucking love.

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So it was a great show.

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My number one is Amorphous.

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Doesn't need any description, as John said.

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Okay.

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I probably should have, or we both probably should have named Amorphous as the honorable mention with Andreas.

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But to be honest, we've never really gotten into them that much. They're like singles playing the radio all the time. Oh, they do? Yeah. You get really chatted with those singles. Well, I checked out Under the Red Cloud when it came out, and there were some really cool tracks in there, but it's never been mind-blowing to me. But I really understand the legacy.

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I thought Under the Red Crawl was great. There's a difference between the difference between two countries. You guys are hearing Amorphous on the radio. Yeah. You would never hear the radio here. I'll just leave it at that. I'll just go ahead and do George and Buke's for both of them. No, I don't think you should. I won't. I won't. Why not? Buke, what's yours? Rhymes with penance. Sentenced. Right here. Sentenced. One of the first early bands George introduced me to. And you know what? We do a heavy metal podcast.

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And by no means is this band a, at times, a real heavy band. But some of the heaviest, saddest lyric that you can get to Sentenced. One of my favorite bands of all time. And definitely my favorite Finnish band of all time. Awesome. My number one is Him. What? Just kidding. God. Wait, wait, this is, what was that band? Just kidding, it's Sentenced. No, it's not.

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Yeah, exactly. Nobody bought it, though. Everybody was like, fuck you. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, probably easily top, definitely top ten bands of all time, possibly top five. Awesome. When did you discover it, anyway? I found Down. I was running through Tower Records, just flipping through CDs in, what was that, like 97? And it was one of those days where I couldn't find anything that I'd heard.

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of and I saw them and I was like well the down album covers just kind of plain but the logo was you know it's a leaf yeah but you know it looked like a metal album it was on century media so I was like fuck it I'll try it and I got that album home and I was like whoa you know what did I just stumble into um and obviously you know that's the first album when with the new singer whose name I'm not gonna butcher in your presence um and uh you know the earlier albums were a little bit different but uh from then on they were definitely one of my favorite bands.

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How do you say his name? What was his name again? V-I-L-L-E He was trying to make you say it. Yeah, right. Right. Ville. Ville. I'm also the lead singer of him. I'm pretty sure George, your other favorite band. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Could you say it again? Ville. Ville? Ville. All right. I'm never going to get it. It's just like you with your Norwegian brother-in-law. I am very thankful that when I was introduced to Sentence, it was right when the cold white light was coming out.

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I was able to experience them. I bought the funeral album and I buy still to this day probably watch their final DVD show every single day. Sorry, not every day, but every single month. I probably throw it on once or twice. These guys are one of my favorite bands and anybody who has not checked them out, it's go check out the Cold White Light. This album here, I have them holding up. Of course, you can't see it. Crimson. Finally on reissued on vinyl. Awesome. That's one of those bands for me that I have.

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like really get into because it's so much like

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and if you like what you hear with sentence the village going on to do poison black

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right now yeah i think sentence is one of those like rare bands in finland that has has a sort of like

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really traditional like fan that you can even recognize the fans from you know their hair and their

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clothing and you know you know that there's this certain kind of sentenced fan like really dedicated one

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With other bands, it's not so much. It's maybe just a metalhead, you know, in all sorts of metal. But, you know, Sentence, there's sort of this, like it grew this sort of... Cult? Yeah, certain kind of cult. Yeah. And I know some of those people and they love them just as much as you do. And as I said, I really loved them when I was younger. But then sort of maybe because of the 70s prog stuff, I don't know. It's sort of...

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I also quit listening to Iron Maiden for some time.

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No, but that's irrelevant. Actually, I thought you were going to pick somebody like Priest or somebody.

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Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. I mean, they're a foundational band.

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I think like George and Bukki, there are those people that find something deeper there.

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No question about it, but they are a sort of foundational band.

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There you go. But since they're kind of culty, there's a little extra something.

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It's like not everybody knows them and listens to them, but a lot of the people that do are pretty fanatical. Yeah, I'll buy that. I think that's a perfect way to put it. Alright, let's move on to what we're listening to.

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You know, really quick, I'm sorry, before we move on to that, I want to go on what you guys just said. It's cool. The thing I guess what I like about Sentence so much is George and I have as many shows as him and I go to, we mention Sentence and people kind of look at us like a deer in the headlights. Sentence is kind of like George and I's thing. Like, we can really share it as ours because not this whole gathering of people like it. Yeah. Did you ever see him live or something? Did they ever come to USA? I did.

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I wonder if that's kind of the same with me and Andreas about Aguolo in the States because it's kind of an underground thing to maybe a lot bigger in that sense. No, they're not huge here. They're popular. Actually, I think it's a pretty relevant comparison though because people tend to really be fucking into them like hardcore when they are into them. It's like they're number one band, you know, and stuff. But they're still, they're really

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- It's just cool that my best friend and I can share this little thing that really nobody else is on board with.

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- It's a little thing. - Okay, next thing, what are we listening to?

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- What are we listening to? - Start with you fellas.

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- Okay, yeah, I really got into the primordial, the nameless death, or is it for the nameless death? I don't know, I fucking love that album.

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Oh my god, I have never heard of it before, like maybe two weeks ago.

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Which primordial album? To the Nameless Death, I think. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. It's just amazing. Mind-blowing stuff. Amazing. Yes! Oh, it's so fun to hear somebody else get down that. I've been still listening to the Vector release. It's my favorite for this year. Right on. Should I go next? Yes. We're going to keep the same order when we go through these things. Okay, okay. I'm still listening to Vector Terminal Redux. Nice. I actually think it will be my last

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I like top one for this year and I actually think that it will be like the best metal album since Agal of Marrow of the Spirit since 2010. Wow, that's a statement. Yeah, I would be really surprised if something would top this. It's the reason why it's such a difficult album is because it's so long and there's so much information in it. The concept lyrics are so like in-depth and it's so difficult and at first I only liked a few

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But then over time I just kept coming back and now I love almost everything about it so it's a fantastic record.

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Can I tell you about a band called Throssenblot?

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Yeah, I've listened to that. We both listened to the interviews and I think Andreas has listened to the album, I haven't.

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Yeah, I listened to the Metaktonia album. I haven't got into it yet. It's good stuff, obviously.

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George, which I think a lot of people feel about that one, but George, just so you know, I have my friend John in Houston. Hey, John, how's it going? He listens to the show. He is freaked out on it right now. Excellent. Yeah, he can't get out of his MP3 player or whatever it is he's listening to, but he said he's just stuck on it. I just want to give a fuck y'all to you guys that were making fun of me because I talked to Joel the other day after he listened to the mid-year episode and he was like, yeah, you know, you were so spot on with all of that, so fuck you guys.

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The guy who is the leader of the band is saying, fuck y'all, yeah, you're onto it. The person who plays as their number one. Yeah. Right? No, but he said that I was on, the stuff I was saying was what he was thinking when he wrote it. George's interpretation of the album was. Exactly, which you were making fun of. Yes, absolutely. And we'll continue to make fun of. Yeah, well, at this point I don't care because he liked it, so I'm like, yeah, whatever, I don't care what you guys think. Yeah, yeah.

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that before or after you bought that guitar he put up for sale. He didn't really. He didn't, no. Just a question. Sorry. No, no. Yeah, what's up? Just a question for this. Are we going around again or should I list everything I'm listening to? Yeah, go on. Yes, yes. These we do them all. Yeah, well, Pink Floyd, I seem to be always listening to. What's your favorite one? Metal, I think. Oh, okay. Interesting choice. Because I'm a big fan, by the way.

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Yeah, cool. I would, many people like Animals. Of course, Wish You Were Here is fantastic. Dark Side of Moon is fantastic, even though maybe a bit overrated, but it's still great. But Metal is the one that I'm just coming back to because of the last track, Echoes. And it's a sort of crazy track that I don't need drugs to transcend to some higher plane. You know, actually, believe it or not, man, of that,

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Amagama is probably my favorite one.

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Yeah, I need to go to that album more.

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I haven't, because I've listened now a lot to the music from More,

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which is the film soundtrack one.

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Yeah, that's cool too, though.

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How do you feel about Momentary Laps of Reason?

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That's the newer one, right?

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Yeah, that's the non-Roger.

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Yeah, I've always tried to go backwards with those guys,

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and I need to check out the newer stuff at some point.

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No, you don't.

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You really don't.

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I like it.

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You know, I have a little point of pride with me, I took room service to Roger Waters one time. That's it. Oh, nice. My whole story. Yeah. I mean, we didn't. It's not like we had an in-depth chat or anything like that, but it was just kind of cool. Did you speak on you or something? Did you work at a hotel or something? No, no, Will. Escort service? What does that mean? No, I worked at an really nice hotel, and to be honest with you, I wasn't doing room service that day, and my friend was like, he just fucking ordered, dude, and I was like, you got to take me with you. So we got up there, and he goes, like, yeah, my buddy here is training today, you know what I mean? Well, whatever. He was there with us.

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with his hot wife, you know, that was it. You gave him a momentary lapse of reason. Yeah. Wow. Full circle. Nicely done, sir. And then, yeah, then I'm listening to so much, so sorry if this is going to be too long of a list. Just cut me out. Hold on. Let's queue up Dope Smoker while you do this, because that's what we do with George. I limit myself now. Yeah, right, the cricket. Yeah.

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He listens to the show! He knows all the jokes! So what else you got? Yeah, Wither's Cape Northern Sanctuary. Oh yeah, I love that album. Yeah, the production is fantastic. I love the old Don Swann stuff, but I'm kind of on a fence with this. I really would like to love it, but then again, there's so many cheesy bits, if I'm honest. This might sound a little bit crazy.

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take me the wrong way here but at times it sounds like a little bit like nicobeck oh god yeah i have to listen to it because i want to hear that that is my ultimate insult that i use yeah but uh but that's just for like 10 seconds or something and maybe maybe it's just me maybe i might be totally wrong and get my head out of my ass uh and then edge of sanity crimson is always what i'm playing uh ahab divinity of oceans

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I actually, just because I used to play that with a certain video game all the time. Then Ghost Popstar was the new one I'm listening to. Then Warlord Deliver Us is the 80s epic metal. 1983, Metal Blade Records. Yeah, exactly. I like to call it Spinal Tap Metal because it's so over the top for its time. But I really love it because

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because they have this sort of like their own thing going on. Man of War had sort of like seminal records probably or Manila Road but there's a lot of these gems to find. Manila Road does not come up enough on this podcast man. I'm a big Manila Road fan. Good for you. Do you have a lot of them? No I actually just listened to the Crystal Logic. I've sort of tried to. That's probably the best one. Yeah just to get the sort of like biggest records. I did it up to like a couple of months ago. They're still around by the way.

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Yeah, they have like a million records or something. They do. Right. But you can kind of put your hands down almost anywhere in that collection and come up with something pretty good. I mean, they don't. They're pretty consistent. Yeah. Yeah. And then I have Psy, the Japanese avant-garde black metal band, Gallows Gallery. The Imaginary Sonics Capes album is probably my top three metal albums of all time or top five. I have tried to get into this Gallows Gallery, but the production is just so.

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There's some really good songs in there, but the production just ruins it. I would hope that they would record it again or something. Then Cynic Trace De Nair is something that always is playing for me. And of course, Opus Still Life, but that probably doesn't need to be said. And same with the first Winterson album. So that's, I'm out. Cool. You can say Opus Still Life as much as you want, because that's my favorite

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album of all time. I think it's like, for the most black prop guys, it's the album. Of course, Ghost Reveries is amazing, but it's still like... And Blackwater Park as well. Still Life captures the essence of the 70s so much. So you hear that, Buke? Still Life, not Ghost Reveries. No, Still Life is great. Godhead's Lament, my favorite Opeth song. I just don't think it's their best one. Yeah, I know. I'm just having fun with you. All right, John, what are you listening to? I'll keep it short. It's all new releases that came out with

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in the last week or so, Devin Townsend, Transcendence. We just saw him at Frog Power and he featured some of the new songs off the album and I'm liking the new album a lot. In the Woods Pure. And then another one that I'm not hearing many people, I think George, you listened to it, but a band called Summerlands, they're self-titled, that just came out, which is kind of a harken back to the mid to late 80s, kind of just straight ahead, hard rock, heavy metal sound. It's cool stuff. It's definitely a very particular sound. Yeah, and you just, for those of us who lived that period and kind of

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I wouldn't call it Queensryche, but they're kind of in that vein, maybe like 5% a little bit. It's just, it's a nice metal sound that hasn't been done in a very long time. Yeah. So, but it sounds new though. It doesn't sound like it's a rehash. Yeah. That's it. That's all I got. Will? I got Hellbringer, Awakened from the Abyss. If you like old school early Slayer, these guys are nailing it. I got the new Skelton Witch, the Apocalypse Bloom. I missed that, Will. Which was the old school Slayer one? Hellbringer, Awakened from the Abyss.

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It's so good, dude. It's Hell Awaits Era Slayer, and it's fucking great. It's awesome. I knew you would like it, because when I heard it, it reminded me of Gruesome, where death is concerned. I guess I didn't tell you about it, but yeah, that's a fucking great record, dude. Sorry. This will definitely be in my top five, maybe my top two. Eerie, self-titled Eerie. It is awesome. It's weird, because the album cover looks like a death

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But it's definitely like a doom sort of 70s era mixture with some death metal. It's phenomenal. Got Russian Circles guidance. My brewery, Atlas, we teamed up with DC Brow. We made a beer for Russian Circles when they come to the Rock and Roll Hotel. So everyone, George, Buke, and John. Isn't it fucking crazy that all these other bands get shit before the podcast gets a beer? How crazy is that? I know. Isn't it crazy?

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I expected that response.

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Yeah.

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You just set us back. Way to go, buddy.

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Yeah. You like that? How about another two years? Say it again.

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No beer for you. Those are for you.

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Um, Slowmatics, Future Echo Returns, Blood Incantation, Starspawn.

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That is good. That's gonna be in my top something.

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Old, old school.

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And then I think Gregory, our number one fan on the podcast, Obed Marsh, Innsmouth, he turned me on to that. I'm kind of digging that. So that's my and a lot of a lot of my what am I listening to is also my vinyl purchases slash CD downloads. I have a few other ones I've downloaded, but I'll save them for later. So, all right, Jay. I OK, here we go. New Opeth and listening to that, enjoying it. That's the album that's maybe bringing me back into their crowd a little bit.

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I think this one got by me and I think some of the guys on the pod liked it but I hadn't really listened to that Necronautical album that's pretty good um there's new Skeleton Witch EP is good um I think I said Skeleton Witch last time but I'm still I probably put that on at least once a day and while I admit I was partially getting ready for the podcast with this I enjoyed it very much and I've been listening to Perhalion Ship all week I will also say I've been listening to a lot of that just getting ready for the podcast as well and my kids have been listening to it a lot as well and having a good time doing it yeah that's my list

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Thank you, Sheriff. Yeah. Still life, wow. I'm going to make you listen to that all the way up to New York, brother. No, let's do it. That's, again, amazing album. Moonlapse, Vertigo, Godhead's Lament, Face of Melinda. It's an amazing album. It's not Ghost Reveries. I know it's better. I agree. I have to agree. I agree on that, dude. What I have been listening to, again, the Blood Incantation is an amazing album. Is that true?

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from Ashen Horde. His album, the Kickstarter, was successful. The vinyl was released for Nine Plagues. I was spinning that. I found a band. It was a power metal band by the name Expired Utopia. Yeah, you told me about them. They're good. Yeah, I told George about these guys. They're a power metal band from Winnipeg. They're releasing an EP of three tracks. Think of power metal with Blind Guardian. Sorry, not Blind Guardian, with Iced Earth. Matt Barlow, kind of harsh.

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your vocals. Really cool stuff. I've been listening to a band. I'm going to butcher this. Cognizance. C-O-G-N-I-Z-A-N-C-E. Cognizance. Cognizance. That's ironic. Very ironic title to not get the book. You know what? I love when I butcher it and then I realize how fucking simple of a word it is. Oh, that's a word I know. That's a word I know. That's how you say it.

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that work okay hey no it's the archivist yeah yeah so cognizance by uh that's the band's name

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illusory is the album title it's a classic death metal sound which absolutely i sound like an idiot retard right now

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no you know no you don't uh for all my prog guys out there a wonderful prog band from uh italy named astral path i like that one too

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And their album Ashes Dancer.

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I have to pick it up.

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It's like a typical Italo-Brog or is it like more heavy?

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No, think of Italy, Prague, like Opeth, but some Between the Baird and Me.

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Great stuff.

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I'm one of a couple people who have bought the album on Bandcamp, but it's absolutely wonderful.

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Again, it's absolutely fantastic.

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I wrote it down.

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Between the Baird and Me is the band that shall not be named with me and Andreas.

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Really?

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I respect them. I cannot get into them. We respect them, but we don't like their music. It's hard to get into them. I'm not a big fan either. You guys know I'm going to be haunted by fucking cognizance right now. No, you're not. You know what? You're not stupid. You're Finnish. Pronounce everything their way. I think that just insulted the entire country of Finland. I might have. Just cut that out. Cut off Jay's mic. Get him off Skype. Wow.

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I'm saying he pronounces things like they pronounce them in Finland. He fits in there. You know what? I need... What are you doing, Jake? I'm leaving that in. These are our guests. I stand by my remark. I have been listening to a lot of Sorceress by Opeth right now. I love the new Opeth. I will save my discussion because we've been going a little long here. Hopefully John will join us next episode.

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and we can go into it more. But how I felt, Opeth found their groove with their death metal sound a couple albums into their history around my arms rehearsed. I think they found their prog sound a couple albums after Watershed with this one. So I'm not surprised you like it as much as you do, though, because if it has, I think it's spiritual brother is Ghost Reveries. Yeah. You know what I was telling John this the other day? I think this is actually a perfect deliverance damnation.

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in the prog sense. I think you see the both sides on this really well. Yeah. It's almost back and forth too, isn't it? Doesn't it go basically heavy acoustic, heavy acoustic? Yeah. And this could definitely work as two separate albums, but it's cool that they do it in one album. But for no disrespect to my American friend, like I'm not going to throw out barbs like our friend Jay here. Go ahead, George. Thank you, brother. So what have I been listening to? There's a band called, I think they're pronounced Adeya.

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Oh, that's a great album. And their second album, Serenity, they're sort of like a prog death band from the Netherlands. Very good stuff if you want to check that out. I've been listening to a hell of a lot of Devin Townsend, particularly the new album Transcendence. Jazz hands! Prog power really turned me on to him. You say farting on that record. Not that I know of. No. And then there's one that Buke told me about, and he didn't mention it. It's Anna Farins and the In-Walk

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They're a black metal band from Montana. That was a good call. I like that album a lot. Yeah, so thank you for that, Buke. We need simple titles. Get your cognizance out of here. Jesus. I've also been listening to the new album from Hans Grossman, The Crypts of Sleep, which is basically just an alkaloid record under a different name because everybody in alkaloid plays on the album. George, can I have that again? Hans Grossman. I thought Hans Gruber from freaking Die Hard. Yeah.

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He's got an album coming out next week. Shoot the glass. Hans. That's the name of the record, actually. Hans Gruber, shoot the glass. Hey, Hans, show him the watch. I've also been listening to In the Woods Pure, their new album. And as we mentioned before, I'm a little on the fence. I think it's a good album, regardless of what I think of the vocals. I just haven't quite found my place for the vocals yet. Let's see, what else do I have? One more.

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Bought the Battle of Ages. Wow, what an album. It really is. I like that album a lot, too. It's a good album. That is some heavy music right there. Yeah, you've mentioned it a couple of times now, so. Yeah. I mean, offline. Yep. All right, let's move on to personal recommendations. We will start with our guests once again. Yeah, nice. I think I'm going to. Just pick an album you want to recommend. Everyone knows this album probably here, but maybe not the podcast. People who listen to this, this is Disillusion, Back to Times of Splendor. I was just playing that for John. Holy shit!

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That right there, that's a home run after Ever was one. Indeed. I mean, I listen to this album like once a week basically. It's a masterpiece in every way. Man, I love that. George and I love it. I always forget about that album because of the band, because the band sort of got forgotten. I love that album. If I can give another recommendation that is not metal, you should check out Kingston Wall from Finland. They released three albums in the early 90s.

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that they infused with heavy rock. Hey, Andres, can you say your personal recommendation again? We didn't hear it on the side. Kingston Wall. Did you mean that one? No, no, no. The first one, Disillusion. Yeah, Disillusion. Back to times of Splendor. Yeah, back to times of Splendor. Yeah, when John and I were driving down to Atlanta, I put that on and played it for him. Or maybe it was on the way back. Yeah, it was good. It's amazing. It's not good. That's unfortunate that they didn't continue down that path and then eventually broke up. You really should.

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Yeah, listen to, especially the pro guys should listen to the Kingston Wall stuff. It's really influenced by Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix stuff. Will just says don't listen to it if you're from Finland, huh? Right, Will? Will's drinking. Will with his anti-Finish rant today. I'm in just on the Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix. I'll definitely check it out. Yeah. My personal recommendations are, you might know

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I don't think I've heard them on the podcast so that's why I chose them.

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Xantacroid, blessed he with boils.

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I actually got...

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Can you type it in?

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Yeah, sure.

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Yeah, that's a...

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Wow, somebody has some typing skills.

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Yeah, that was a good tip.

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That's why he's a lyricist.

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Yeah, I don't think I've heard that one.

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He's a lyricist because he can type, I like that.

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That was awesome.

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I'm working with coding so but what's the other one? Neobliviscaris Portal of Eye. That's funny we were just trying to figure out how to pronounce that at Prog Power. Yeah so that's. All these coding guys I love it. Neobliviscaris. Yeah I can't say it but I know I know the band. It's it's it's Latin for do not forget I think. George you need to go back and edit out those.

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We don't have to edit out. We'll just use it. So those of you listening, we're connecting via Skype and you can type messages while you're Skyping with each other. And so that's the very heavy handed fingers of Yanni going and then typing us things like Ne Obluxcarius Portal of I.

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In our area, the DC metal guy is really big on them. He likes them.

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Okay.

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Yeah, the Xanthocroid one, they are actually from the US.

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And what got me hooked, or how I met the band, was from YouTube.

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They had this cover of "Winter Sons: Land of Snow and Sorrow".

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And I was like, when the first time I heard it, I was like laughing out loud,

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because it was better than the original.

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And I had no idea how it was possible that it would be better than the original. And then I checked more about the band and the drummer and singer-songwriter guy, they are both like classical tenors or something. They sing like angels and scream like Satan. Definitely checking that out. Yeah, and they're totally like crazy good. It's almost like then this, like he's so the main guy

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I don't remember his name now but anyway he's he's like doing just for the hell of it like this all sorts of covers or of like mainstream stuff and he's doing them better than the mainstream versions and and everything and then meanwhile they got like this really symphonic black metal like emperor approach in their own music while he's covering like some pop song on his own channel and everything it's it's it's the most talented thing I've ever seen in metal actually yeah all right and Neoblitzkart is

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I thought you might have heard about that. Cool. All right. John, what are you recommending? All right. I'm going to stick to my frog power roots here for this one. And I'm going to pick an album that most people wouldn't pick by him, but I think it's the most accessible album that's Addicted by Devin Townsend. It's probably the most straightforward album he's done, but it's my favorite by him because it's good and it includes Annika Van Gierspergen from The Gathering on there. So that's my pick. And we love her now. And we being me. Yeah, I've always loved her. George is a convert now.

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All right, Will? I can't say enough. I said on the last podcast when we were out getting racy Sabbath, I said earlier, I'll say it again, Eerie. Self-titled album, Eerie. Holy shit, this is good. Check it out. Are you ever going to talk about the band Eerie? Dude, I'm telling you. Have you heard it, George? Yes, I have. Do you like it? Yes, it's good. No, it's great. Excellent. It's just good. You're wrong. I stand corrected. Best album ever made.

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All right, Jay. Jay. Jay. Now, that's eerie. E-E-R-I-E. Correct. E-E-R-I-E. Yeah, E-E-R-I-E, self-title album. It's

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Seven Churches? Yes. Yeah, first one of Seven Churches, which everybody calls a classic. But I think Beyond the Gates is at least close to being that good. It is, I think, widely considered. Seven Churches is widely considered the first death metal album ever. I could argue in different directions, but it definitely is the first one with the reference to the phrase death. There's a song on there called Death Metal. Yeah, I think it's the last song. Yeah, it is. And it's definitely a death metal album. So you could argue it, but I would also agree with you on that, Will. Cool. Well done. My album. Yeah. It was my number two.

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A couple years back. This and since we have guests here from Finland, I thought I'd mention one of my favorite Finnish bands and favorite albums from Ghost Brigade. This is four. One with the storm. They almost made my list. I absolutely love this album. Love it. Love it. Love it. You take Opeth, you take Catatonia, a lot of different sounds like that. And you have a perfect album in this. Maybe Catatonia more than Opeth. Yes, definitely more Catatonia.

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So if you like Buke's recommendation, check out Ghost Brigade 4, One With The Storm. Right on. My recommendation is a band that I didn't think I was going to like because they kind of have a goofy name. They're sort of a play on some movies from the 80s. This is a band called Necromancing the Stone and Jewel of the Vile. I think I listened to that. There are some death metal guys that do a power metal album and it's pretty good. Awesome.

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That's actually a really good title. What's it called, George? Necromancing the Stone. Did it just come out in the last month or so? Yeah, fairly recent. Yeah, I think I listed that. I was surprised by how it can't be, but how much it did hook me in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. All right. How about Vinyl Purchases?

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Do you guys buy vinyl at all? Yeah, so you're asking us right now, I guess. Yep, yes sir. So Ansu doesn't. I buy them, but I don't play them. Because there's no room for a vinyl player in my house right now. I will get it at some point. When we go to my summer place, my friend sometimes has his turntable with him. And we blast on the fields of the archipelago of Turku, which is like, there's no one there.

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only like Elks or something and we are blasting like the turntable

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and his speakers all through the night and it's fantastic but for now I have to just buy the vinyl

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and listen to the digital one when I have bought it.

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You can still hold it in your hands though.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I think that's even more important than the listening part.

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Have you picked up anything lately?

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Yeah, the last one was the Opeth exclusive silver vinyl.

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of Sorceress. I have this pedantic thing where I have to only buy the first press, most limited version. And you can think how expensive that gets with Agaloh, the mantle that's going for 500 euros first press and stuff like that. Because I'm not playing them in that sense, so that's why I need, I think of them like trophies or something like that, that I need the most rare version.

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Well, I have some. I have the Cynic Rest in Air First Press limited version, the Seriantelli, Winterson, Time. That's actually 100 copies only in the world, so it's really rare and stuff like that. But I don't really have that many vinyls because of that. So I only try to do this precise versions instead of hoarding. Sure. It's a surgical strike, not a, as we say about,

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George. What was it George? I must have them all. No it was like a slash and burn or I can't remember what it was. Yeah yours is surgical strike. George is I can't remember the name we had for you. Scorched Earth Policy? Scorched Earth Policy yeah Scorched Earth Policy. All right John? Real short I don't know if I mentioned this last time but I'll mention it this time. I know we talked about it. I finally got the Monolorde, Lord of Suffering, Dia Hayes, single EP whatever you want to call it and then I don't physically have these.

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George has them because they were sent to him. So maybe I'll get them. Maybe I won't. We'll see. Wilderness King, Mystical Future. And they released two EPs that I believe they put on one vinyl, which is And the Night Slept Us Away and The Devil Within. That's it. Cool. Giving our South America friends some money. Yeah. South African. Yeah. I love those guys. South America. South African. Just across the pond. That's it. Will doesn't buy any vinyl. I don't buy vinyl.

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So I'll tell you by pre I have a bunch of pre-orders so I pre-ordered the charred walls of damn creatures watching over the dead his suicide tendencies world gone man which I'm super excited about testament brotherhood of the snake also super excited about and less excited about by pre-ordering anyway metallic or hard wild to suck hardwired to self-destruct excellent all right about about a shitload of stuff between now and the last one so I'll just sort of read them off here pausing off the first one to let John say cool Isis celestial awesome there it is cool cool I didn't have

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and I got

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and I think

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that Deaf American

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just re-released

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a bunch of titles

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on Vital

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because that was one of them

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it was

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I got

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Monster Magnet

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God Says No

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Monster Magnet

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Four Way Diablo

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which was one of my

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Holy Grail ones

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because that's really hard to get

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and I had to kind of

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pay a little extra to get it

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I got

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Old Man Gloom

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this is a

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Aaron Turner side project

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from Isis

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I don't know if people know them

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but I loved these guys

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and I got Zazobra

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and Christmas

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those are my two favorite

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records by them

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nice

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I picked up the new hammers of misfortune dead revolution that records

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gonna be in my top 24 day into the year that's a great album and then yesterday I was in amoeba records in San Francisco and two of my holy grail records were re-released on vinyl unbeknownst to me and one of them well the first one goes usually for about 60 bucks on discogs and it was the first Danzig record so I got give a big fuck you to all those guys on discogs we sell that for absorbent prices

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The second one is one I've wanted for a long time and you only see this on Discogs for like 1200 fucking bucks and now it's out so fuck those guys and it's Tool Einema. Yeah just re-released on vinyl. You actually count when it gets reissued so you think if it's like this your holy grail and if it gets reissued or remastered or something. It depends on the record. Yeah because you know I'm thinking with this like Mayhem and Burtsem records which I really like you know

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It's still if the original first press on the original label cost like 1,500 euros and then you're buying the 20 euro reissue. It doesn't just feel that you've got your holy grail in that sense. Well, I'll tell you. Yeah, that's interesting you say that. But here's my personal thinking on it, which is I'll pay a little more for records that I had as a kid.

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I go both ways.

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Yeah, I understand. I'm sampling that. And they put, they put, aha! And they put, and by the way, the Tool record was a great package. They really fucking made it look nice. It probably is just exactly the original one. I have mixed emotions about it, but I buy a lot of vinyl. Like the Danzig, I don't need the original Danzig, but I'm glad to have it on vinyl finally. That's it. Yeah, I understand totally. So I spent a lot of money on records in the last couple of weeks. Duke? I mentioned earlier the Ashen Horde, Nine Plagues, Dim U,

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I got the death cult Armageddon vector death cult sorry vector terminal redux aborted retro gore I got the reissue of guar scum dogs of the universe I got the sentence sorry which which issue of terminal redux did you get uh I got the right here it is the mine's colored uh black okay did you get a color George I think you got because we ordered them at the same time I think yeah I'm sure I did but I don't recall it off the top of my head I think there's the there's

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The Purple, I think Purple Deluxe one. I think that's what I got. It also came with a signed insert. Yeah, that's going for like $200 or euros right now or something. Oh, is it? I didn't know that. Okay. I think that's the one. I'm not 100% sure. Don't quote me on that, though. I think it's the one. Right on. Cool. Again, Aborted Retro Gore. I love that album. Definitely a fan should check that album out. Sentenced, my Cold White Light and Crimson reissues came in. The Opeth Laminations. That's Shepard Booth.

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She Came In A Despised Icon Beast. That's about it. Cool. Pretty good list. Oh, sorry. I don't know if I mentioned these. Agaloc Ashes and The Mantle got those reissues too. And Yngwie Malmsteen. Sorry, I skipped that. You also have Yngwie Malmsteen marching out, which is actually, I literally can't show it on camera because it's literally packed up right now. It's going out in the mail tomorrow. Yeah, I really don't know how I thought I had that. I thought you did too. I knew you didn't, actually. We talked about it once. I found it for $6, so I picked it up for him yesterday.

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Yeah, we skipped and Reyes, I think he was on the toilet or something.

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Oh, okay. Go for it. Yeah, right on.

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Yeah, yeah. Actually, about the recent purchase, I've been listening a lot of the Cult of Luna latest release. I haven't gotten it bad yet, but this release, I love it much, so I think I have some new band to listen to a lot.

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Cool.

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The Mariner is the latest release. Very good vocals, very good riffs, very good atmosphere. Everything is working fine.

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That's a great album.

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And I bought the new Vector shirt actually for the Terminal Rerux because I just love that album like Yanni does and apparently Buk does. They're so good. Yeah, it's awesome. I was worried they were never going to come back. It seemed like a long time between this album and their last album. It was 25 years. Yeah, so cool. Anything else? Not so much right now. I've been in the woods. Omnia I bought like a month ago and tried to listen to that. Still getting into that. It's not broken into it.

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Okay. For me, I also got the Ashen Horde Nine Plagues. Thank you, Trevor. Great album. You should check that out. Excuse me. I also picked up Cave of Swimmers Reflection. They finally released that on vinyl. I got the Devin Townsend Project Transcendence. I got the vinyl. I finally got my pre-order of In Morning, The Weight of Oceans. I got Running Wild's Rapid Foray, which probably the only one in the world that bought that one.

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But so what? And then, like John mentioned, from our friends in South Africa, we got Wilderness King, Mystical Future, and then the two EPs combined, and The Night Swept Us Away, and The Devil Within. Let's do some deep tracks. Did you guys do any deep tracks? Yeah, so should we start again? Andres, do you want to say yours first? Are you there? He passed off. Okay, so I'll start. He mixed too much vodka with the red one.

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So my deep cut is from the first Winterson album. If you just have sometimes like a little bit like grazed over that album or something, you should check Battle Against Time. It's a really short track, but it has this like super killer riff in the middle. That's like probably one of my favorite like metal riffs of all time. It's super energetic and it has this like a little bit maybe trash element or something.

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I definitely want to hear that again. All this Winter Sun talk, I haven't listened to them in a while. I really want to go check that out again. Yeah, well, it's the first album. Yeah, they're both good. Is he back yet? He's trying to write maybe his connection or something. Or maybe it's just his face on the keyboard. His chat is slowly filling up with why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why. Oh, that's okay. Oh, snap. All right, no problem.

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All right. No problem. We're almost done anyway. And thanks for coming, dude. Thank you very much for coming. Yes, thanks for coming on. All right. Well, then let's move on to John. All right. So I'll keep in the Prog Power theme here for me, since that's my big weekend of the year for music. And I'm going to go with a song from The Gathering off their Nighttime Birds album called The Earth is My Witness. If you like Annie as a singer, she absolutely shines on this song. And it's a little bit deeper cut. Give it a spin if you want to try it.

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So mine has a very short backstory to it. My kids who are five and a half and almost three are hooked on Paw Patrol, the cartoon series. I just got a brief. Look, why don't you say that? Look what I'm holding. Every time I hear Paw Patrol, I think of Hell Patrol or Dawn Patrol. So Hell Patrol, the song from Judas Priest, Bane Killer album, song number two, The Hell Patrol.

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And then Dawn Patrol off Night Ranger? No. Megadeth. Yes. Megadeth. Oh, dude. And that's a great song, by the way. Yeah. It's kind of like this. It's almost like a spoken word song. It is a spoken word song, yeah. So My Deep Track, Juice Priest, Painkiller Album, song number two, Hell Patrol, Thanks to My Children, because I've been singing that in my head all the time now. Yeah. Cool. Cool, too. I like that. Without all the background, that is, in honor of my children, Hell Patrol. There's a hidden meaning in there.

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That's what he calls it watching him. Yeah. All right. Mine is sort of in honor of John, who made a joke referencing this song about a week ago to me and all of us, I think. And anyway, and it was one of my favorite songs when this record came out. And it's a deep track. I would call it a deep track off of Peace of Mind, Die With Your Boots On. Nice. This is what's interesting to me is Die With Your Boots On is one of my all time favorite. And I've used that for a deep track before.

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It's one of my all-time favorite Iron Maiden songs. I feel like you get the respect of the play it should. It's so good. Yeah, it's so great. They play it on XM kind of regularly. And Iron Maiden is one of those bands that have a plethora of those deep cut songs because they have so many songs that people listen to. So there's so many deep cuts. It's hard, yeah. And for me, maybe it's a little bit more personal to me being a military guy for the last 25 years. It speaks to me a little bit more.

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I always was curious why it was a bigger

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single I guess is the correct word for it

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but yeah love that song

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and just to put a little a little more background there

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what happened was I got the new Trooper

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Porter that came out the Iron Maiden beer

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and I had posted that and John said

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drink with your boots on so I was like

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and it reminded me how much I love that fucking song

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which by the way the beer isn't terribly good

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and you guys get to try it

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wait a Trooper Porter?

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yep just came out

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I'll send you one if you can't find it

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oh by the way Jay

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So I have to say this, I've been meaning to text you or email you, but I did get your package. I did drink the Mastodon beer that you sent me the other day. I did review it. I mean, it was good for what it was. It was definitely good. Luckily, it was unfiltered in bottle condition, which will allow it to stay a little bit longer in the bottle, stay fresher, I guess, or taste better. I do have a plethora of beers that I have failed to deliver to you.

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I keep promising you Atlas Brew Works t-shirts and I've been there like three times and every time I leave the problem is every time I leave I don't remember to get you there I remember when I get there I don't remember when I leave he keeps buying the shirt when he walks in put it in his go back to the brewery I owe you Jay oh brother don't worry about it I have all the beer I just need to get t-shirts in dude no worries I got nothing but love for you my friend and moreover if you

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If you cannot find that Trooper Porter, let me know and I'll send you one. I'm sure I'll find it somewhere. It's probably, it's as ubiquitous as the other one. You'll find it somewhere, yeah. And it's as good as the other one, which is to say it's about as good. Wait, wait, it's as good? Please tell me it's better. No, no, no. I was actually saying it's as bad as the other one. Actually, it's really just Trooper. It's literally just Trooper with a little Porter kick to it. And it's carbonated too, by the way. It was nothing special. But the bottles kick ass. It's called Trooper Black and Red. Okay. Oh, Black and Red from the song from the

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I think is the best song on the album. Probably so, yeah. I think Buke walked off. Yeah, what's up with that? I'll just pick one for him. Something off Machine Head, the Blackening album. George, go. No, I can't. It's out of order. Can't happen. You did some crazy splicing job one time when I came in the last five minutes of the podcast.

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Yeah, I did. I'm here, I'm there, I'm there. Somehow you were on like an hour and a half of the show. Yeah. Was it Will always saying something that was like not related? Like, yes, I agree with that statement. Yeah, I need to get some stock stuff from everybody so if they have to drop out, I can just drop it in once in a while. I can't believe you said that. But we still haven't talked about Haken. You know what? Here's our dead space. Go ahead. Let's talk about it.

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Do you really want to do this? I mean... I want to hear it. Yeah, fucking let loose, man. All right, so they're such a prog favorite and such a fan, you know, a big band fan thing at Prog Power, and we went in thinking, okay, hopefully this won't be that bad, and within two minutes, the singer started singing. Like George said, everything was sharp the whole show. He never changed their lyrics. Oh, seriously. All right. And it took... Even if you liked what the band was playing, it just ruined it for me, personally. I just... He was horrible, and then he started

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doing this pretentious shit on stage where the keyboardist was doing some kind of neat little... Wait, a prog guy doing pretentious shit on stage? Sorry. I've never been to a prog show. I just hear what you guys talk about. Yeah, trust me. If I'm saying that, this is bad. Trust me. Because usually we're like, oh, that's the greatest thing ever done in mankind. He was just like plucking stars out of the sky during these little keyboard punks. What? Yeah, and George and I... You paid for this? Oh, no, the rest of the festival was awesome.

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He was such a douche, that guy. And like I said, we're probably going to lose. Anyone who heard about the podcast is going to turn us off now. Yeah, they're gone now, yeah. I figured out while this was going on that my terminal redux is... I saw it. But it's not that purple super. And you're right about that. It's the purple one is the super edition. Anyway, George, you can keep or kill out as you see. No, no, it's fine. Duke's back now. Let's let him do his deep track. I just wanted to get this on record. My wife had

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the other day.

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And I've been taking care of her around the clock.

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You said that before, too.

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But I just want to say she had surgery on her foot.

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So people don't think she had a brain tumor or something.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She had surgery on her foot.

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So I've been taking care of her around the clock.

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And babe, I love you.

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And I hope you continue to get better.

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I'll be here for you the next couple of days, love.

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But my deep track, I've mentioned another song off this album.

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But I'm going to mention another one because the guys just saw them.

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Off of Imaginations from the Other Side.

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This is I'm Alive.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Good selection.

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Probably the best song on that record, really.

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Yeah.

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Very huge.

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Go ahead.

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Mine is pretty much anything these guys have done is a deep track, but I'm going

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to go with Down to the Gallows by Timeless Miracle from Into the Enchanted Chamber.

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There's still hope, George.

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They supposedly have a new album coming out this year, right?

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Yeah, that's what I keep hearing.

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Maybe we'll finally get that second album.

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Yeah. But all right. Well, marathon. Yeah. Well, this was a fun one. We haven't done one in like a month and a half, couple months. This was a real fun time to get everyone back together again. Yep. Got the band back together. And deeply grateful to, and I can't see who's left here. It was Yanni's. It is very late over there. Yanni, we appreciate you spending your Sunday with us here, brother. Yeah. I have to wake up in five hours. Oh, no. It's okay. We're all very grateful.

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for you.

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Yeah, we really appreciate it.

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It was really a blast.

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Thank you both with Andreas.

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And I will keep listening.

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Probably he will as well.

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Hopefully.

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Please.

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Where can everybody check out Perihelion Ship?

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Yeah, so at perihelionship.bandcamp.com.

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We have Facebook as well.

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I think someone is taking care of that Facebook.

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I have no idea.

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I'm totally out of that loop.

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The record is also on iTunes, just so people know that. Yeah, it's probably everywhere. Hopefully. Please check them out. Support them. It's really good stuff. The album, again, is a rare thunderstorm in spring. All right. Well, before we go, we're also going to plug our stuff. Make sure to check us out on SoundCloud or on Facebook. I'm on Twitter at Disciple OV Metal. Buke is on there as Opeth Fan. I am at Catatonic J. And, you know, I don't often do this, but I'm plugging my band. We're getting ready.

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New Record Put Together. Don't forget to check out my band Catatonic. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You didn't tell us about this new record, Catatonic Society? It's coming together. It'll be a little while yet, but I mean, we're ready to blow. We just got to figure out where we're going to do it. Did you get a new vocalist to replace that last one? Common question. That was my case. And John and Will on your Twitter? Yeah, I'm Will at BrewMetalWill. And I'm at WhiteCluster69. At Mexican Carwood.

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Catatonic society will get a beer before Metalheads pod will get a beer. Oh, sure. I doubt that. And of course, you know me. I'm an OPEF fan. Yeah, I told him while you were off. Yeah, while you were off whining about your lack of beer. Yeah, we're also on Instagram. We're on YouTube. We're on Stitcher. And of course, you can find us at wearemetalheads.com. Let's shut this bitch down. Yep. All right. Yanni, it's good talking to you. We'll talk to you later. You too. Yeah, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. It's been awesome. All right. We'll see you next time.