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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay. This is Will. And this is John. We are very pleased to be joined today by Dan and Zach of Chemist. Would you please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do in the band? I'm Zach from Chemist and I play drums. Dan and I play bass. All right, thank you. Hold on, George. I want to jump in here and just take a moment to thank these guys for doing no research on our show whatsoever because we don't normally have people with a lot of number one records. A lot of people chose you as a number one record.

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the show was,

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he would have been like,

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fuck you.

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I thought Dan had listened to one.

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We did.

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No,

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we,

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we both listened to an exceptionally long.

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So,

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so take that Jay.

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Yeah.

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we,

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I listened to it before we decided to come on it.

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We both did.

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So it actually screened us then.

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Okay.

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That came with no opinion though.

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We listened to one.

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Yeah, one.

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We had already committed to it.

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Yeah, that's right. You're already too late.

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Well, they only listened to one. They started in December, and they just now finished.

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Yeah, we'll take it easy.

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All right, well, dear listeners, if you haven't heard about Chemist, you must be living under a rock.

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Their second album, Hunted, released last October, made quite a bit of noise in the metal media.

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It was even featured on three of our year-end lists, and as I'm sure Buk is going to tell us, it was his number one.

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So I know Bukes been chomping at the bit to do this interview. So why don't we unleash him and get started? Gentlemen, again, you guys, my number one album of the year. Let's just start right out and say, how has the past year, past couple months been for you guys in the band? Because for those who don't know the band, you guys have wasted no time putting out Absolution in 2015 and Hunted last year. It's been a whirlwind couple years for you guys here.

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Yeah, it's been pretty incredible, to say the least. We've tried to stay as active as we can and basically just keep the writing process going continually. I think I'm paranoid about running out of steam or something, so we just try to keep pushing all the time. Yeah. Well, you've got some good momentum going, so keep at it. And a lot of praise. How did that feel last year? I mean, Buke wasn't the only one who chose you as a number one record. Yeah, Decibel, Ted, too. Yeah.

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weird. I mean, you know, we get the question about, you know, about accolades and reviews and all that stuff a lot. And I mean, it's sometimes it's really uncomfortable because we just, especially in town, like in Denver, we just want to, we're just part of the community here. You know, we don't feel like anything's changed significantly. But, you know, I don't know. Some people handle it better than others. And I just kind of like blush and like, thanks, man.

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Thanks a lot. Gee, thanks. Yeah. I mean, we're definitely, it's humbling and we're appreciative of it. Yeah. Well, recently, I follow you guys pretty extensively. You guys played, it looked like a great sold out show in your hometown a couple weeks back. And you guys just sold out Vitus last weekend, which I watched the video last night. I had just worked 30 hours this past weekend, the last two days.

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And I spent all last night watching your guys' Vitas show, and it was amazing. I've heard how special Vitas is for shows, but I got to ask you guys, how was it playing a sold-out Vitas show? You guys played with Crip Sermon, excuse me for forgetting the other band, but it looked like it was an awesome time. Yeah, Sanhedrin was the first band, and they, I think, are relatively new, but I fucking loved them. I thought they were really cool. They just had this great,

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It was super cool. I don't know how else to put it. We got there

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and the bands were cool and we knew it was sold out.

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We couldn't even unpack our merch box before people

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were mobbing us. Which was awesome.

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The whole thing was just so surreal.

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We're constantly talking to people and it just all happened

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really fast. And then I think we were really happy with the show that we put on that night. And it was nuts, man. The crowd was nuts. And something, you know, we played in front of probably more people. Not many more, but we definitely played in front of more people. But a packed house at such a legendary venue, it just felt amazing. It was one of my most proud band moments.

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Yeah, we've all been looking forward to that show for a little while, and St. Vitus is such a... we've all wanted to play there. So it was pretty surreal. And then to get to do the Crypt Sermon, I mean, everybody in the band is a fan of that band, so it was quite the time. Was it kind of a whirlwind couple days for you? Did you guys fly in the night before, fly in that morning? How did it work? Were you traveling with your drums, Zach? Were there house drums you had to borrow?

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Actually, Enrique from Crip Servant was nice enough to let me use his kit. I brought some cymbals and snare. We were traveling with the least amount of gear that we could, but we flew out that morning, or I guess afternoon, the day of the show. So we played Chicago the night before, got up, hopped on a plane, got into LaGuardia, and then cabbed over to St. Vitus. Oh, you know what, guys? Airport to St. Vitus is what we did. If the praise keeps going up and up and up, we regularly use to more showbots.

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like that. You know what other band does that? Iron Maiden. You may have heard of them. Yeah. We're a little familiar. We were talking about buying a trailer to tour, but I think we're just going to buy a plane. Yeah. So as popular as if you've gotten so rather quickly, do you have any idea, any notion of what you've done that's made you so popular?

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I mean, this is probably the most arrogant response, but I think that we wrote an album full of good songs.

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There is no arrogance here, because you're on the best podcast in the world. Let us have it, Dan.

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Yeah, well, you know, you hear about bands that struggle for years before they get a break, and not that it's been effortless, but you make it seem like it was just like, well, here's an album. It's awesome. Oh, well, here's another album. It's awesome, too.

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And not to speak for Jay, but when your guys' album came out last year, Jay was like, guys, there's something here. Nice, man. Well, we appreciate it. Go ahead, Zach. I think part of it is, you know, I think the kind of there's like trends in metal that cycle through. And right now, I think this style is really hitting a stride again, including like traditional heavy metal. And so the fact that we have elements of that and then we have clean singing,

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So there is a little bit more element of it being accessible. It has opened the door maybe a little bit more from that initial jump for us. So we weren't fighting against like, yeah, we're playing cryptic death metal. Yeah, I think that's going to be more of an uphill battle to get recognition over time versus kind of having the sound that we have. I think you are right in the sweet spot right now in a good way. Yeah, that's a good point. Was Doom the original direction of the band from the outset?

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And if so, what made you want to play that style? I think it was maybe more traditionally Doom. Honestly, when Ben and I first got together and started talking about what we wanted to do musically, he was coming really from a hard neurosis sound. And I was coming from more of a sludgy, stonery sound. And Doom seemed like where those two met.

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stuff we played and worked on was probably more quote-unquote like conventional doom um you know it just kind of and it just evolved over time to you know kind of the sound we have now which you know some people call it doom and i guess we do too sometimes i don't know yeah isn't your twitter chemist doom at chemist doom it is yeah and our van's license plates say doom van oh they really keep an eye out for that on the highway

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Yeah, I know. Well, I'm surprised we have not got pulled over yet, but Colorado played a doom band. I saw an interview, and I think it was with Zach, where you said that the band's foundation is built more on Thin Lizzy and ZZ Top than Black Sabbath. Now, neither of those bands is monumentally heavy, so how does that lead to such a heavy sound? Yeah, I think a lot of that is just in the way that we think about the band and our approach rather than how it comes across sonically. I mean, their element

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with the harmonized leads that we all love. So that was, you know, we kind of found the middle ground in like Iron Maiden and Finn Lizzy and in rock and roll in general. And I think the influence from those bands is more like the some of the rhythmic elements being more based in like, OK, we can have a swing shuffle riff, which isn't really traditional doom. That's more rock and roll. So we'll work those things in in our own way rather than kind of sticking to, OK, we're going to play it more straight, you know, which would be more traditional doom.

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in my opinion, I guess. So almost just like the attitude, the kind of some of the rhythmic approach, the harmonized leads, those that's more of the rock and roll base than the heaviness necessarily. You know, for what it's worth, one comment. I think Phil Lynette is like the heaviest motherfucker that ever lived. You know what I mean? Like in a way. So yeah, he really is. So so I am like I'm a huge Thin Lizzy fan and I totally understand why metal guys like Thin Lizzy. Yeah, it's like there's this thing about Thin Lizzy. It's like you listen

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to it casually and it's like oh that's cool rock and roll but then if you if you know about the band and you listen to the lyrics you're like ah shit this is this pretty fucking heavy you know and it's so driven by bass and a lot of times like what phil is doing in on the bass underneath some of the most sort of poppy sounding songs brings it to this other weird level i they're they're such a legit influence for a metal band in my mind and how he holds it together while they're doing you know so many harmonies and you know so many leads you just have you almost

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I know rhythm guitar in that band for like 30 to 50 percent of the time. Yeah. And then their drummer is all, it's so like I try to steal as much as I can. And just in the approach where he's like perfectly laying in the beat, but he's sneaking in all these cool little fills and these cool little accents. So when you really start listening to it, you're like, fuck, man, this guy's incredible. He's great. Yeah. Do you guys have a, either of you have a favorite Thin Lizzy album? Mine's Johnny Fox. Mine's probably Black Rose. Wow. Wow. Those are, okay.

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I mean, Johnny the Fox, yeah, they are a little obscure. Black Rose, I think a lot of the 80s guys who grew up in, like with George and I's time, that would be a lot of favorites. Yeah, I remember Axl Rose going, Black Rose, man. Was he into that? Is that true? No, yeah, yeah. The GNR guys were definitely into Thin Lizzy. I'm totally generic. I'd go straight to jailbreak. Yeah, it's amazing. Don't get me wrong. In fact, you know, that's like the standby for me too. It's like Led Zeppelin 4. You'd look like a dork if you picked it up.

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I'm glad you mentioned that for our list.

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Johnny and Fox for me is just because I feel like it's the most solid all the way through.

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There's like a few tracks on Jailbreak that are all right.

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Fair enough.

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I interrupted you.

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I was just saying, you touched on it there for a second.

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You guys said the harmonizing parts of your guys' songs.

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I think that's what you guys do.

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exceptionally well. And I think the growth from the first album to the second one, like when you guys, I love how you guys lead into, for those who haven't seen you guys again live, just go on YouTube. Check out when you guys play Candlelight, you're like, you know when Ben's like, we are chemists and this is Candlelight. And then you go right in, Dan's, wow, the harmonizer with you guys right there. Oh, man, it just hits you right from the start. I just scared my little two-year-old because my excitement. You sound a little bit like me there.

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a minute talking about Thrasenblatt. God, you would think that I'm trying to sell like a monster truck event or something. Chemists, chemists, chemists. But guys, when you, you know, Dan, I gotta ask is a lot of this genre, you know, you guys, the Mono Lord, the Conan bands like that are driven with real heavy bass. And I think sometimes it's maybe on some of these bands, it's almost, instead of turning it up to 11, turn it back down to like a 10.

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How much do you play into the songwriting? Because I hope you're not one of those guys that are like, yeah, Dan's just a bass player. Stavre in the corner, Dan. They do make that joke a lot. Well, of course. We have George. George's our bass player here. It's definitely weird for me.

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It was at some point a little bit weird for me in this band because it's a guitar band. I had to come to terms with that. I can play maybe a little busier. I can play maybe a little bit more melodic. But the problem is that I feel for the best song product that when you have guitar melodies, and sometimes you have two guitar melodies overlapping, while you have a strong kind of soaring vocal melody, I kind of feel like

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The last thing I need to do is introduce another melody.

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Yeah, but are you using a fuzz pedal or something, a little distortion on your bass?

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Shitloads, usually, yeah.

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Dude, you are the reason you guys sound the way you sound.

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Yes, and that was kind of the hidden question within the question, because I think doom bands are defined by the bass.

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I mean, that's you, dude. You're burning the fucking pain.

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I think I do. It's kind of like a Phil Leinett.

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When these guys are off noodling, I gotta hold the song down. Now, his bass licks are fucking sick, but we're not playing thin Lizzy music. We're playing heavier versions. So, you know, man, I take a lot of pride in it, and I try to find my place. And, you know, as far as songwriting goes, I'll be perfectly honest, like the guitar players usually come in with most of the riffs. But it is a very collaborative process.

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We totally work on it together. We write transitions and bridges together. I mean, arranging the whole song. I mean, they'll come with riffs and then we'll kind of put together the arrangement and massage the riffs. It is really clever. I like that. You should trademark that term. Jay, when you're working in the studio, massage the riffs. Massage the riffs. Yeah, man. It's like, because we can, like, we all have pretty strong opinions.

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about what we want it to sound like. So Ben might be like, oh, check out this riff. And he'll be like, oh, what if instead of at the end you did this kind of turnaround? And we'll just attractively give him an idea and then he'll try to articulate that. And then we'll kind of keep working on it that way. But all that said, do you know any good bass player jokes? You know, I only know drummer jokes. Okay, I got a bass player joke for you. So this guy's playing the bass in his house. He's got a wife and a kid.

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The kid comes running out of the practice room, running through the living room, and his wife, and the guy comes out chasing him like he's going to kill the kid. And the wife says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? And the bass player says, he says, he turned one of my tuning pegs and he won't tell me which one. Feel free to use that. Unfortunately, yeah. How do you know if there's a drummer at your door? How do you know? The knocking speeds up. Oh! Wow, we're hitting them both. Man, we're just...

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How do you hear about the band? George, stop while you're ahead. Come on. Go ahead. Did you hear about the band that they accidentally locked their drummer in the van? They had to break the window to get them out? Dan and Zach, I've got to ask you guys here, though, too. I don't think, George, correct me if I'm wrong, we haven't interviewed or really spoke to that many Doom bands on the pod. Well, I mean, other than Delph is technically Doom.

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Dan and Zach sometimes you know I know you guys don't mind playing what you do of course or else you wouldn't be in the band but are there times when being this traditional doom you guys like man I sure wish sometimes I could blast out some blast beats right about now but I gotta put on the brakes a little bit because because you know what Zach George and I saw last year or two years ago at Maryland Death Fest what was it skepticism George the funeral doom band yeah and we're up there

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I'm watching it and the set is just blowing us away but I'm like man that drummer looks bored silly. Yeah. Well there was some band that Hellhammer was in that he wasn't being like overly utilized and we were like man he looks bored back there because he's just like you know. Yeah. So that was for you. There you go let's hear it yeah. For this band I try to write the parts so that that they're interesting and fun for me to play but at the end of the day I think we're all focused on making the best songs that we can.

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So I don't really think it doesn't bother me in any way, but I do. There's an element of me that still, you know, I've played in death metal bands for a while. And so like, um, there's an element of me that definitely wants to bust out some of the faster stuff. But if I'm going to do that for the most part, uh, you know, I'll, I'll do that in a different, with a different band. So, so if three or four years from now, there's some hush, hush secrets as, Oh, is chemists breaking up? And then it hits the internet. It's because, uh,

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Zach wanted to go play some blast beats and the rest of the guys were like no you're not bringing them to the band. That's a side project. I'm really hearing a theme here though and I'm inclined to say related to some of our earlier questions that some of your success is focused on the fact that you guys really are focused on the songs. I mean and that happens but it's not there are a lot of guys that's just like what's the fastest weirdest thing we can do here or whatever thing. Yeah. I know like sometimes like you just you're listening to a band and you're like man I really wish this motherfucker

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would just take a backseat and let this riff be cool or whatever is happening at the time and we try to make sure that that happens. Are you talking about Jack Wilde? Actually, you know, it's related. Can I ask you a question? You guys had such a well-respected record last year and again, it was number one in a lot of tap time lists. What did you guys like last year? Other bands? Oh, God. Yeah. In 2016? Yeah. You can just say what you're listening to now, too. The Factor album was something that I think we can both agree on. Yeah. The Factor album was...

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Okay, Dan and Zach, while I got you guys here, can you... Let them answer a question. No, I want them to answer this one first, because it's hitting with me. Yeah. My members on the podcast here, they like The Vector, but they said it was too long. Oh, yeah. I can relate to that. Maybe I shouldn't have interrupted then. That's what we call a backfire. No, no, no. It is a long album. I find it enjoyable all the way through, but I can...

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I understand that perspective I generally I prefer shorter albums uh that's exhausting was our comment I yeah

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seriously I usually only listen to like 50-75 percent of the time but it's all that's good you know just yeah

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well that's it's such a good album you can jump in halfway and start there absolutely I don't think

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you're losing a lot I do that the the way it kind of loops from the first to the the last track there's some there's some tie-ins so there is a payoff listening to it front to back but the songs are so damn good yeah jump in anywhere

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Was there anything else that you guys really dug last year? You know, I didn't really have enough time to hang with it, so I didn't really recognize it maybe a month ago or two months ago, but I've been listening to the Cobalt album a lot, and I thought it's fucking good. Aren't they out by your way? Are those guys from... They are, yeah. Well, it's really just Eric now, I think. Do you know him? Kind of. I've met him. The guys in Primitive

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man had introduced me and uh we just kind of like said i like your record and he's like i like your

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record too there's a song on there called elephant graveyard that was like one of my favorite

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songs of the year fuck yeah yeah yeah i think we all i haven't i haven't chimed in yet um as well so

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that leads me to a couple questions but one was uh on my personal list last year for top album stuff

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it seemed like there was a lot from denver colorado so do you know a lot of the guys i'm assuming you

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I know the guys from like Blood Incantation, Pile of Priests, God, who else is from out there that was on my list last year. But it just seems like Denver is just, it's a mecca of great metal. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, I'm pretty good friends with the Blood Incantation, Spectral Voice guys, that crew, and then there's the Dreadnought Gang and Primitive Man and Call of the Void. Call of the Void. Or a Grand Corps issue. I don't know how they keep changing. But anyway, yeah, man,

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It's the new Seattle scene.

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That would be awesome. It would be cool. Blood Incantation, by the way, just to sneak it in, made up several of the podcast lists this year to our end of year list. That was one of my favorites. Ours as well. Ours as well, yeah. So when you got word that you were number one, I think Blood Incantation on Decimal Magazine's list, and Blood Incantation was what, number three? Yeah, yeah. Did you guys hang out and throw a big party and drink some beers? We kind of didn't. I hung out with those dudes. Yeah, we just joked about it, basically.

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Yeah.

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As you should.

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Where is Decibel published?

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What's Decibel's got a hard on?

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Philadelphia.

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Philadelphia.

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Did they call you guys or anything, by the way, and tell you, or send you an email and tell you you were number one?

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They did, yep.

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When we did the interview for the article.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they told Dave, who runs 20 bucks spin, kind of ahead of time, and he passed it along and was like, you can't tell anybody.

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It was weird.

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We knew for months.

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So then when people read.

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Yeah, they'd be like, oh, do you think you're going to make the list this year?

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And I'd just be like, yeah, I think so.

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Yeah, I got a question.

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Maybe.

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What kind of list is it, though, that they knew months ahead of time?

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They're like, well, screw everybody from September on.

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Well, I was going to say, if you heard it on the last podcast, I knew months ahead of time as well.

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So I'm kind of curious that I know before you guys knew.

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You may have.

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Yeah.

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I don't remember the date we found out, so it's hard to say.

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You know, George, you brought up a really good point about when albums release. And we never thought about this shit before. But the fact of the matter is, if you release in the last couple months, a lot of times your album gets overlooked. Yeah. I mean, a lot of the magazines and stuff, and even us, we get promos months earlier than everybody else. But still, if something comes out in December, like maybe the Pile of Priests album that came out in December,

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December 2015 and I thought it was a Tuesday anyway they kind of screwed on that so well the witcher the witchery album came out really late witchery I don't know if you guys know or like them and it's a fucking great record it should have been on everybody's list as far as I'm concerned and but nobody had a chance but yeah you got to be strategic these days I guess yeah and well and then there's the opposite right which is like in 2015 the Baroness album was number one unless they hadn't even been released that's right by the time the magazine hit yeah that's right

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But those are the odd things about this stuff, which thank God we don't have to think about.

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So speaking of which, guys, and this is just a general curiosity I always have with guys. Sorry, my kids are in the room. I apologize.

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That's a metalhead podcast. Talking metal and babysitting for years running back.

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There you go, man.

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My daughter bolted in.

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My son is wearing a Slayer shirt.

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She did.

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She bolted in the house right when you guys called.

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And she's like, we're home. And I'm like, I'm shutting the door. Honey, daddy's being cool right now. I did tell them that if they want to come down the bay, I'm in the basement and I'm secluded down here. I said, so my son's wearing a Slayer shirt. My daughter's wearing her suffocation shirt. So in case they got on camera, at least they're cool. But back to my question, do you notice as a band, a huge jump in sales after say, Decimal Magazines releases you as, as picture as number one, or I forget.

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You were on the list as well. I don't remember where you were on the list, but I mean, do you see like a huge spike in is either sales or illegal downloads or something? I mean, do you guys physically tracking that or can you can you correlate those two things? We don't track it. 20 bucks spin does. We hope. But I can say that, you know, man, I don't know. It's hard to say. I released when we when we released it on the release date. I mean, it sold a lot.

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of copies. We sold all our colored copies in like, I don't know, under six hours or something, like 250 copies just on Dave's website. So I don't know. I mean, we think it's selling well. I know there's been a bump at the end of the year with making some of the end of the year lists to what degree. No idea. I can tell you. This way, did it have to do another vinyl run yet? Or are you still? Yeah. So it's already gone into phase two or whatever. Is it? We had, we, it's actually the third, we're actually in the third.

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because the second one was smaller. Yeah, there you go. That's a blue one. Oh, is that the magenta one? Yeah, it's the blue. Oh, yeah, cool. So we did like a, I think the initial pressing was 500, excuse me, 1,000. I'm just talking vinyl. Sure. I have no idea. You would think that the download stuff, I don't know. But I think the first pressing was like 1,000. That went pretty quick. We went through another 500 and we've actually been out pro or we,

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our label's been out for a while. And another pressing of a thousand is in the label now. It's interesting that you're mentioning vinyl because is vinyl pressing the new metric on how well the album is selling? Are that many people in the vinyl now that that's the new metric? No idea. That's my metric. Do you guys personally collect vinyl? Yeah. You're in the right show then. Everybody in the band. So we're all record nuts.

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And that's what we track the closest. That's just where our heads are at. Did you get your own colored vinyl? I think all but one color. We weren't able to get a straight blue. The one that Bucas has is the variant that none of us have. And then there was a silver one that went to Europe and none of us had that one. And there was a blue one that went to just record stores.

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I thought that was a few things.

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Okay, let me say here.

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No band should have to buy their own record.

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I don't care if it's a freaking blood-filled vinyl,

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like Carcass or something would freaking do.

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You guys, nothing, you know.

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But I want to ask you guys this real quick,

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and I know Will has some more questions about the local Denver area,

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but you kept mentioning 20 bucks spin.

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Coinciding with you guys gaining traction,

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man, are you guys signed to a great label.

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He's definitely a quality over quantity guy. He released two records last year. Both were in the top five. Both made our list. What was the other one? Aronsi Pazuzu. Oh, well, there you go. It was Johns on his list. And mine. It was on my list, too. That's a great record. It is. He's a smart dude and a really good person.

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We've had some opportunities to work with other people.

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He put on the Migration Fest. Pan-Occiton played their first live show.

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How was that, guys? Because we haven't interviewed anybody who was there yet.

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It was sweet. It was awesome. It was run really well.

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I mean, it was almost perfectly run. The one thing is it was hot in the venue, but they gave out free water to counteract that.

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I mean, it was, especially for the first year of the festival, it was pretty uncanny, man. They didn't run out of beer. Oh, no. Is he in Denver, then? Is 20 bucks spent out of Denver? Olympia, Washington. That's why the Migration Fest was there. Yeah. Hey, this is John, just real quick. Speaking of the vinyl, I'm looking at the artwork from it, and I love both albums. I see a theme here with this old dude with the beard. So, is this your guy's Eddie? You know, your Vic Rattlehead? Is this going to show up on albums? It's almost

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like we get introduced on Absolution and Hunted, he's kicking some ass and slaying people with some blood going. I mean, are we going to see some more albums going this direction? Yes. Yeah. I mean, no reason not to. We really like after the first kind of the first drawing we had of them, I think we pitched the idea like, what if this was our Eddie? And we're just like, yeah, let's let's do it. It's working. I mean, your albums right off the bat when you see them because of that. Yeah, thanks. We don't have a name for them. We don't.

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Well, we call him the beer wizard because our initial piece of artwork for him, it was the first piece of artwork we actually ever commissioned was this wizard guy with his hands floating, pouring a beer. Maybe on a break, I'll go pull the original artwork out. It's in my filing cabinet. I would love to see it. So there's that. And then the other answer is Sam Turner is the guy's name. He's a vocal artist who's a

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He did this as well as all the true brewing art. I was just commenting about how amazing that was before you guys got on. Yeah. So yeah, I have a question. Did he do, so Zach, full disclosure, I think you and I, I'm a brewer as well, so I think I've met you before at True. And I remember seeing this guy sitting at the bar. This is during, it was either CBC when it was in Denver or GABF, one or the other, but there was a guy sitting at the bar in a sketchbook just going nuts. I started talking to him. I don't remember.

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name. I tried to hit up Nick from True a couple, probably a year ago, because I was like, I was so loved that artwork. And I have a True t-shirt that's got like the kind of like wizard guy holding the two kegs, kind of like it's an old one. It's from a couple of years ago. You guys are maybe opening them. Is that the same guy who did that shirt? He does all of it? Yep. He does all of our art. He's kind of like, it's basically like our in-house dude. So all the True art, he's done everything. I mean, he's really built that brand.

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on the aesthetic side.

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And the chemist brand as well.

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Yeah, I mean, really, with chemist too.

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I feel like there's this community out there happening that I want really bad to be a part of now.

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It's pretty special, I have to say.

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I mean, not to be a dick.

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It sucks.

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Convidence is great.

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Well, none of us are from the original, so we can actually appreciate what's going on.

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You guys have like not so ordinary metal band jobs. Can we talk about those a little bit? You're talking about I deliver pizzas. Well, well, we know Zach works for true. Yep. Yep. I'm in the head brewer there. Running the two brew houses that we have keeps me quite busy. And Dan, what do you do? I actually own my own business and I do engineering and drafting consulting. So it's such a stereotypical metal job.

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Yeah, we'll be driving around the city and he's like, build that thing out.

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Build that part in the garage right there.

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Wait, are you guys driving around when you're dropping off pizzas too?

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We do it as a band.

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That's just for fun.

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Chemist delivers your pizza.

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That's when you're moonlighting?

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We were just in Chicago.

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So I do this, you know, there are projects, a lot of projects in the Denver area that I work on, but I'm originally from Chicago.

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So some of the first jobs work that I participated in was out there.

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So yeah, it was probably weird. Did you both end up there because of work? Is that how you came to Denver? Or since you're not from there? Yeah, that was it for me. Yeah, I had a job offer. I was really just looking for a change, to be honest with you. Chicago in the winter, you see the sun maybe 10 times. And how do you like it? Do you guys like Denver? I mean, just as a kind of like area? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it suits me pretty well. I thought I'd be out here for a couple years, and that was like 18 years ago.

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I don't know my Colorado geography, but my sister lived in Golden for a while.

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Yeah, it's probably like half an hour west.

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Yeah, a little bit closer to the mountains in Denver.

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Are Ben and Phil still working on those PhDs?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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Two guys in one band.

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Any guy in a metal band working on a PhD is unusual.

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Don't the guys of bad religion have PhDs or something like that?

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Yeah, at least one of them.

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One of them is like a teacher, a professor.

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I think what's his name from offspring as well yeah that sounds right Dexter Dexter yes pardon my rudeness guys

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just to break in here I'm in California it's lunchtime so I've eaten a sandwich in front of me I apologize

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that's okay is it a burrito as we move ahead here we you know work our way through the pod and ask you guys a couple more questions I just wanted to make it known while it's my daughter's trying to help me out you guys are going on tour with Oathbreaker you guys start going on some dates starting out in late March

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in Arizona at the Underground March 26th. So if you want to see Chemist, March 26th, I see my daughter's excited. Sweet. Go ahead, Hugh, sorry. No, it's okay. I'm trying to play dad, too. You guys are going to be going on tour for, looks like, a couple weeks here. So our listeners, if you want to see Chemist, check them out. I will, and a couple of us will be seeing you guys at the Decibel Beer and Metal Festival. Yeah, exactly.

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You'll be pulling double duty there? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. I hope you guys aren't too big rock stars. We can actually meet you guys there maybe. Of course. Yeah, we'll be there. Austin from Panopticon and I will both be pulling double duty at the Hilly. Yeah. I will be pulling single duty because my brewery, Atlas, will be there as well. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's great, dude. I'll be drinking everybody's beers. Yeah, I'll be the drunk guy. Yeah, so you'll see plenty of me around.

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I have to ask you this. When you guys go out to all these shows and you have a friend and your fellow band member there brews beer, what's your guys' backstage beer? I don't see you guys pulling out a fucking pack of Natty Lights, are you? And to follow up, what are you drinking now? Let me finish for a second. We were the guys who showed up to Maryland Death Fest this past year.

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When Will has a cooler of craft beers. And these people come up to us and start grabbing beers thinking they're probably Natty Lights. And you're like, no, no, no. This is a couple hundred dollars of fucking craft beer you're drinking here, asshole. Well, as far as that shows in that, first of all, we're not to the level where we get beer provided to us in the green room. Sometimes, actually. Every once in a while. Yeah. And in Chicago, that beer was delicious. Was it Bell's? Yeah, we got some Two-Hearted. Oh, that's a Michigan beer.

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Yeah, we were set up. That was the best green room beer experience by far. Normally, if there is beer backstage, it's whatever. Most of the venues you go to, they're like, green room. I'm wondering if you didn't actually just wander in a room that you weren't supposed to be in. It was in the basement of the building next door. Exactly. They had a fridge down there and they put beer in it for us.

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But most of the time, we're lucky if we can snare a few free PBRs. I think we pretty much drink whatever they provide us. We get a few tickets. It's nice to turn off the brewer brain for a little bit. You have to drink PBR, you have to, first and foremost. Those tickets are where they say to you, you can drink any beer between this can and this. Nothing below this. Nothing above. Basically, the PBR. Help yourself.

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So what are we drinking? Tunnel of Trees. It's our kind of regular IPA from True. So, you know, it's cheesy, but I brought True beer for this. That's a great name for a beer. I like that. Tunnel of Trees. That's kind of a metal name. I'm drinking three stars. Do you name some of the beers you brew? Mostly, I leave that to Nick, our owner, just because I'm really bad at naming beers. I'll make them all day, but he seems to have

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the better of mine for naming. Generally speaking, they're all named something metal-related, or they used to be anyway. Although you can mostly tell if I've named it because it's usually something old school. We just came out with Jewel Throne because I wanted to do a Celtic Frost beer. Fuck yeah. Do you guys do brewery tours? I was going to tell them the Celtic Frost albums are coming out on vinyl again, just in case you didn't know. Oh, cool. I just read that. I was asking, do you guys do brewery tours?

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I'm not trying to poke fun, but Will says you guys make great stuff, but your operation is very small. Oh, yeah, yeah. So where our taproom is, we have one really small brew house, and there's no touring it. You can just look at it. There it is. It's right across the taproom. Yeah, and then so we have a second off-site facility that we're doing a lot more production at, and we have

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I haven't done any tours there yet, but maybe down a lot. Can I order your stuff from anywhere or anything if I want to try some of your beers out? Technically, it's not legal. Look at the face Dan just made. For what it's worth, I'm not asking you for free beer. Good to know, though. Maybe Will will pick it up for me at the fest and send me something.

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send me anything but you know what i'm saying you know jay jay where are you located i mean uh well right now i'm i just moved into a town called richmond but i from berkeley california i live in the san francisco bay area well oh man we can probably you want to meet us at the park side in san francisco and we'll give you a bottle of beer yep i'll be there as a matter of fact i mean if i would love to come in to uh and i'll hang with you guys for a minute if that's cool um yeah i would love that dude yeah the park side's kind of a cool little place too by the way yeah be there march 29th jay yep

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I already knew about it. I'll be there without question. You'll be here a couple days after that. I'll friend you up on Facebook after this just to make sure we kind of stay in touch. And I will bring you a fieldwork beer, this great new brewery here that will fucking blow you away, dude. Good stuff. Perfect. While we're quickly talking beer here, Jay sent me in his care package where I finally got to taste my Pliny the Elder. Oh, you bastard. Where's my Pliny, you fucker? It lives up to its reputation. I have to say that. Finally.

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I never thought living here in Maryland I would ever get to have one. It definitely lives up to it. There's a beer bar called Falling Rock and the owner's friends with Benny from Russian River. So we get that semi-regularly. Oh, do you get the bottles or do you get like kegs of the Younger? I don't know. We get the Younger there, yep. Yep, there's Younger. Mostly it's keg distribution. We do get cases in smaller amounts. Nice. Hey, Zach, this is Brewer to Brewer. Yeah. I have a question for you.

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you guys have made a lot of beers for bands like Primitive Man. I know you've made a beer for, I saw a Star Spawn beer this year for Blood Incantation. Have you made a beer for chemists yet? It feels too self-serving. I don't know. Buke, there's your answer, Buke. Actually, I was going to ask you guys a question. It's too self-serving for me to make a beer for the podcast. Thank you, Zach. I love this. You guys for years, Will makes all these beers for

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these local bands that kick ass. And we're like, can you make us a podcast beer? No. Now it makes sense. I will never give you any more shit about it. So, Zach, I expect a metal podcast beer next week. Zach, let's do this. Zach, I'll make a chemist beer. You make a podcast beer. How about that? My other question is, Zach, are you coming to CBC in D.C. in April? I am. Actually, I think I'm going to fly out after our last show to D.C. to hit CBC. So, I'll be,

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on the road for about a month there. Awesome. I think the last night at CBC, there's two important metal things going on that week. The Wednesday during CBC, Baroness is playing. Our friends at DC Brow are having their sixth anniversary party. And John and I went last year where the sword headline. So Baroness is headlining DC Brow Brewery show. And then the next night at Atlas, we're going to have a heavy metal night with some local bands there. So you should come check it out.

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Oh yeah, that sounds great, man. I mean, I would love to know what chemist means and it might be obvious to some people, but I don't know. I was going to go to that. Apparently Dan came up with the name. So yeah, I don't think if it's obvious to you, you'd be really weird. I think, um, you know, it was a weird name. You know, you guys have probably been through this. I'm sure. Uh, I know Jay plays and I'm sure you guys have all, some of you have played too, but you get in a band and you're doing some stuff. You're like, all right, it's time to have a name. Like you can't really get a show unless you have a name.

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So we make these lists and it came up, it's been on quite a few of my band name lists over the years. And it's just this word that stuck with me, man, from a Greek literature class I had in college. And I don't even, you know, I might have been in the Odyssey or something, but it's the Greek word for a city in Egypt. And it just kind of stuck with me.

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And I always just liked how it looked. And I kind of like how I pronounced it. Which I think we call it chemist. And someone asked me in New York, is it chemist? Because I'm going to put it on the radio and I want to say it right. I'm like, you know, that's actually a good fucking question. I can't think of any other way it would be pronounced. You know, the only guys who would know. You're hanging up, buddy. It sounds like he's dying. Yeah, it does. Wow. I feel inclined to join him in his weird little ruse.

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He's mannequin-y.

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Well, so I do have an idea for you, Zach,

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which is you use the original Egyptian spelling

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and make a beer called that,

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and then nobody knows you're praising yourselves.

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You're back, Buke.

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I was going to say,

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the only guys who know that reference

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would be the guys from Nile.

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I'm like, chemists, yeah!

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Yeah, exactly.

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Except they probably listen to it,

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and they're like,

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this is fucking bullshit.

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Oh, Buke just dropped out.

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Hold on, let me add him back.

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Oh, there he is. You dropped out there. You're muted. I'm just having some technical problems. I don't know what's happening. Tell your daughter to stop pulling cords and pushing buttons. She's like her daddy with ADD. She just can't stop fiddling with stuff. Yeah. I don't know if anybody else has any other questions. I've got one more before we head into the pod. It doesn't even technically relate to us, but I'd heard a possibility that you might be touring Europe this year. Do you think that's going to happen?

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I mean, we hope so. It's still up in the air. I mean, things are looking good, but it's just hard to know for sure at this point. Is it a schedule? Well, let me ask you this, because I've never been even close to a European tour. Is it because you guys get all your schedules down? Is it like money? Is it like the label helps out a little bit? That kind of thing? All of the above? It's kind of all of that. Yeah. We're just waiting for the right. A lot of it's timing, yeah. Like, you know, work stuff and family stuff and just the timing.

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of everything. And then also, it helps to have an anchor or two, something like that. So just for instance, like we recently had one of those anchors offered to us. And, you know, we just couldn't probably, we got like a European booking guy and he's like, you know, to really make this work, we should do it for X amount of time. I mean, it's all fairly new to us, you know, but we're just trying to, we're going to get over there. It's a goal, you know.

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You'll get over there. No, you will. You'll get over there.

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We're all stoked about playing St. Vitus and certain things like that. It's on the bucket list and I think that we'd be pretty silly to not take advantage. I look at Dan here saying this and I'm like, hmm, we already know what Zach told us about the decibel list. They have a 50-day tour or something already planned and they're like, you're up, huh? We can't talk about that yet. We would tell you if we couldn't talk about something, we'd just say, you can't talk about that. Yeah, we can't talk about that. Fair enough.

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Who knows what could happen next year? Yeah. Who knows? Hey guys, who contacted you to play the Decibel Metal Beer Fest? I think it was Albert from Decibel. Or maybe Alex who's like his... Alex Yarday or Yard? Is Albert the editor-in-chief kind of guy? Yeah. So does he kind of run the whole show? I mean, he's the editor obviously, but I mean, is it also sort of his property? Do you know? I actually don't know. I mean, yeah.

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It's funny, you guys are really starting to have a measure of success, and Decibel is a fairly visible magazine. I ask questions like that just because everybody out there in the music world is really piecing it together now. You guys have to have jobs, and I totally appreciate that. I think Decibel probably gets by on its own, but I'm just curious of what kind of a structure that is. That's cool, though.

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They've been good to us.

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And, you know, they're also, you know, it's kind of metal magazines, published metal magazines on paper.

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You know, there aren't really too many good ones in the United States.

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I don't know.

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It may be the only one in all of North America at this point that's actually a physical magazine now.

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That doesn't completely suck like that other one I'm not going to mention.

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Why not?

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Yeah.

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No, I go to Britain for my metal magazines and Decibel.

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Which Metal Hammer just dodged the chopping block. Yeah, yeah. I was going to mention that. I don't think I had it on the script. Yeah, not just MJ, but I think three or four different magazines, actually. That's all under this umbrella. It's Prog Rock Magazine, Hard Rock Magazine, I think. Classic Rock. They're actually good writers for those magazines. I'm assuming AOR is part of that, too. I think it's another one. I thought it was pretty funny because a couple years ago, I think it's Future Publishing,

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Sold these magazines, Metal Hammer being one of them, to Team Rock, I think it was. And I hated Team Rock because they completely dicked me over on my subscription. And it was a complete pain in the ass. You know, I was like in the middle of a subscription when this happened. And they were in all of a sudden, it's telling me I don't have a subscription anymore. And I had to jump through so many hoops and nasty phone calls to get my subscription restored. So I just automatically hated them. So when they went out of business, I was like,

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other than the fact that I was really bummed about Metal Hammer. But now that Future, the original owner, at least the previous owner, has picked them back up again, I'm doubly happy that both Metal Hammer is still alive and that Future is the one that's running the show now. For sure. Hey, I got one more extremely important question for Zach. Yeah. If it's in my hops, I'm going to be pissed. I never get this, so yeah. This is completely unrelated

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about anything metal or beer. However, Zach, do you trim your beard to look like an Amish guy or is that the way it comes in? No. It's an important question. That's how it comes in. Okay. I'm the exact same way. I went to Afghanistan in 2001 for the military and I grew a beard and it looked like crap. Sorry. It looked awesome. What are you saying? They just told him his beard looked like crap.

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I looked at him.

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Everyone called me Brother Jebediah because they thought I was Amish.

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I could only grow it back on my neck.

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Nothing came in like on my face, on my mustache, nothing.

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It was just like, it just came in the neck.

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And everyone called me either Brother Jebediah or Neckbeard.

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So I was curious.

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We just call him Kitty.

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You did that on purpose.

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Well, there goes that collaboration beer now.

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Jeez.

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Weird, we'll call it Weird Beard.

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It's just so blonde, man. That's right. Up close, his beard is less Amish. It's just real light up here. You want to see a bad beard? I just shaved mine about, what do you think, like three months ago? It was garbage. I can't believe these guys tolerated it for like two years I tried to grow a beard. And it sucked. You know, it's funny, actually, that the Decibel, the guy who did the art for the Decibel, I don't know, some Decibel article, what was that? It was just a review, maybe.

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Yeah.

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We were like the feature review, I think, for the album, this album, and they did this cool caricature.

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You guys ever see that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The very first review always has like a caricature.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Here, actually, let me grab this right behind Zach's head.

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Hold on.

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I don't know.

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Your guys' video is frozen where I'm looking at you.

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Really?

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That's fine.

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Yeah.

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See, he captured how.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's the one.

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Oh, he did capture it.

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Look at that.

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And for anybody who wants to Google it, you can quickly get a Google image of this fabulous beard in question. And it's just quite viewable. But I think we've insulted your beards enough, so I'm just going to say it's out there if you want to see it. Sorry, that was more insulting myself because I cannot grow a beard. It looks like total garbage. I was trying to save face. Hey, quickly before we move on, last thing I'll ask. I can tell that, you know,

00:53:36.440 --> 00:54:06.400
I don't have any ink because I'm a bigger guy and I don't think ink looks good on pale pasty guys like myself but I noticed that you got sleeves uh you go to a local artist and Zach do you have any tats at all can you get it yep there you go covered yeah covered we're actually the um only like tattooed guys in the band um yeah is that why they send you the interviews look we'd look really uncool if you guys win um you know Zach and I actually go

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We've been to the same tattoo shop here in town. There's some really good ones. But I would say, I'd say 90% of my tattoos were done here in Denver. You know, I'm an older dude, so I've been getting them for a while. Some of them are from Chicago and other places. But yeah. Well, I got lucky because the guy I started going to, Brian Thoreau, was originally when I was still living in North Texas. And he was tattooing out there. And then he moved to Denver about a year or two before I did.

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So I kind of followed them up here. So it's worked out pretty well. Nice. All right. We're going to move on to the body of the podcast. And Dan and Zach are going to join us at least until we run long and they get tired of being here. Or Will makes fun of their eyes or something like that. Or smile. Greetings and salutations. I am Chuck. And I'm Godless. Formerly of the Metal Sex Podcast.

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are listening to the Metal Heads podcast.

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You know, someone mentioned earlier that it was odd that we had two PhD candidates in the band, but that's how they met.

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Yeah, yeah, I read that, yeah.

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In the program, so.

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Hey.

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Whatever.

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Thanks for joining us, John.

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I think it's cool.

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It's nice to sort of break the stereotype of Metal Heads being a bunch of dummies, you know?

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We appreciate it, too, trust me.

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Like, this band, we're real overeducated.

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Yeah.

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And it's super easy to be in because everyone's like an adult and has a little education, has a little bit of perspective. I've got my master's in technical communication. And then they've got their PhDs and Dan's a fucking architect. It's the most well-adjusted band ever. It's pretty great. We'd be in the running, I bet. Actually, you know what? Seriously, it shows, though, because you guys are, we talk to a lot of bands and a lot of people.

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are normal guys, but almost more than any other band we've talked to, I'd like to hang out with you guys. Like, really, I mean, you just... And likewise, man. I mean, that's the thing. We want to hang out and drink beers and talk with people, you know? And then you come on here and Buke fucking brings you down to his stupid level, so... Oh, fuck off. No, we've got real jobs, too, and we've got various levels of professional jobs here on this panel, so it's nice to talk to guys that are a little bit more like peers than the teenage kids telling us, yeah, we're... I'm sure when you guys are doing these

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Yes, honey.

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I'm sure when you guys are

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doing your shows, you look at...

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Does she have a question for

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Chemist B? Get her up here already for fuck's sake.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But you guys look around these bands

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and they're like, man, I'm sure you're having trouble finding

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jobs and stuff.

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You guys definitely don't

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will never have a problem finding a job.

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George, is this a new segment in the future?

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What's your higher education level?

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Yeah, it's going to be who is smarter, you or Buke? And we'll put them in one of those, like, what's that show on TV? I can't remember. Jeff. Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Are you smarter than a Buke? I was thinking of, it's a local thing, like, it's academic or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen that, yeah. But anyway. What is your degree and how are you using it now? That would be the... Those English degrees, I'll tell you, really apply to...

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I'm really going to rake it in, you know.

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All right, why don't we move on to our news.

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This first news item sort of surprised me and shocked me.

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Steve Grimmett, the singer for Grim Reaper, or now it's Steve Grimmett's Grim Reaper,

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Had to have his right leg amputated below the knee. That's rough. Apparently he was down in South America and got some sort of infection in his foot. And it just spread rapidly. He has diabetes. Right. But they tried to do surgery and save it. And it wasn't happening. So they had to cut it off. That happened not too long ago. Leslie West had the same thing. Maybe they could get a band together.

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I'm sorry to hear that but boy it's one thing to get your leg amputated below the knee it's another thing to get it amputated below the knee in South America man I don't know where they probably should like here take a couple swigs off this uh rum and then we'll see what we can do that's fucked up dude yeah so all the best to him he doesn't look that good though I mean he doesn't look like he's taking very good care of himself no no he's not to be judgmental yeah uh and so apparently Metallica's playing at the Grammys because that's that's our the uh

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The Token Metal Band at these things anymore. Yet another reason not to watch. They're like, hey, we can't get Dave Grohl. Metallica? You know. They said they were going to do something really special for it, so I'm curious to see what that is. They're probably going to have some horrible chamber choir with them or something. I mean, it's just... They'll all switch and do the spastic children thing where they all switch instruments. Yeah. You guys know the spastic children thing? Well, you know, I read something recently, and I think it was a joke, but they're talking about how

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They wanted Lars to do some singing, or Lars wanted to do some singing, or something like that. That feels like a joke. Yeah, I think that he can barely talk. Yeah, well, speaking of Metallica, James Hetfield, why don't you take this one? Jay, you're the one who told me about it. Yeah, he moved out of the Bay Area. He lives in Colorado, I think. I think he moved to Vail. He moved to Vail, which is like the rich people can't afford to live in Vail. Ah! Now, Jay, what was your

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You told me the reason he was leaving? He said everybody here was too elitist. And he's moving to Vail. He's kind of a right winger now. And so he moves to Vail where all the... Yeah, where all the... Yeah. But he's a hunter and everything. I think he felt judged here. But I guess I won't be running into him at the 7-Eleven anymore. Yeah, but Jay, he lived up in the Marin headlands. I could see that getting a little annoying after a while. Oh, dude, fuck yeah. I used to live in Marin. I mean, when I first moved into the house I was living in, Berkeley,

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We moved in and there were people across the street and they were painting their fence and we were like, hey, we're moving in next door and everything. And I was just like, hey, you're painting your fence? And the guy goes, oh, don't worry, this is all non-toxic and everything. I mean, that's how it is here, dude. It's like they expect you to come in and check on them. So more power to them. And I did actually, I have run into the guys from Metallica a few times, not that this is going to cut down on that. And he probably still has a house here, I'm sure he does. We're joking about booking shows in Vail every weekend just so we can get them, randomly catch them out at one.

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We slay a set. Maybe you never know what could happen. Yeah. Think about it, man. Think about us for that opening slot, man. We also joked about fighting. Hey, they had the sword. They had the sword. They asked the cubs. I'm not comparing you guys to the sword because I think you're better than the sword. If you guys do this, you better not come up with a shimmy at some point in your act like the sword is doing these days. We all love ZZ Top, but we're not trying to steal their moves. Yeah.

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Or their music? That is like one of the... I mean, we're not huge fans of theirs, but that is one of the disappointments of the website of this podcast. And they are trying to fucking be ZZ Top now, man. Well, they are Texans, aren't they? Yeah, right. Yeah, they're from Texas. I guess if anyone gets a right to try... Oh, sure. You can see it creeping in, though, before it happened. They did a cover of a ZZ Top song right before, like on the last album, before the ZZ Top album. Yeah, right.

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We actually joked also about if we couldn't get

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Hetfield's attention that way, like

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lighting a bag of dog shit on his fire

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on his porch. Fuck yeah, dude.

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Whatever it takes, man.

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He called the shit.

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And you put your CD inside it, so when he stomps

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on it, it all disperses and there's the CD.

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And he's like, hey, let me check it out.

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No, no, no. You just conveniently hang out.

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And you're like, oh man, some fucking prick did that.

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And you sympathize with him.

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Well, maybe you'll get your chance.

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What are the odds?

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Yeah.

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What are the odds?

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Yeah, I can't believe it. Here I am. How far from Vail are you guys? It's pretty far. I would say it's probably, I don't know mileage, but it's three hours? No, it's probably more like two when it's not ski traffic. And Vail is like one of the coolest mountains in the country, as far as I know, for snowboarding and skiing. So the traffic up there can be brutal. But yeah, it's a couple hour drive in normal traffic. Like Yosemite here, you wouldn't expect to go to a natural wonder and sit and try

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But you sure as fuck do sometimes. Yeah. So we were talking about the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest earlier, but apparently Dave Mustaine is going to be there as well, and he's going to be pouring the Megadeth beer. They're not playing or anything. I guess he's just going to go and put in an appearance. We got to have that beer at St. Vitus last weekend. Dave's been on. Yeah, we had it on the last episode. I just almost grabbed one out of my fridge before sitting here. I like it. Yeah, it's good. But knowing Dave, he's not going to be there the whole day pouring

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beer. You make him up for a photo op, slip into the back. He's not going to pour any beer. He doesn't even pour his own beer, I'm sure. He has a team of people for that. You know what? Guys, wouldn't it fucking blow your mind? Dave Mustaine's not going to pour anybody a beer. And backstage, you guys turn the corner, Dave goes, here you go, guys. That would be pretty incredible. Knock him dead. The reason I say that, and I don't know Dave Mustaine or any, and I don't have any, like,

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But he's earned having someone else for him. Of course. Yeah. Guys, imagine you're up on stage at the festival and you look over to the stage left to right and there Dave is fucking watching you guys. Man, that would be incredible. It could happen. Unless he looked terribly disappointed. Or lost. Or better, yeah, if he does play, you can stand up on the right side of the stage and look terribly disappointed in what he's playing. Yeah.

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He's used to that.

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Any bands? Real quick, any bands at the festival you're looking forward to seeing? Immolation for me.

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The fest is amazing. I'm looking forward to all of them, but I love Sleep.

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I wouldn't play music if it weren't for that band.

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I'm looking forward to see Chemist, too.

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I love Matt Bites so much.

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I'm looking forward to going to go see Chemist, yeah.

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That was one of the, uh, before we set this up, that was one of the, uh, the, that was for me. I was like, Oh, yeah. I'm just going to be there. I'm just going to script sermon and sleep. Those are my, can we expect a, uh, new set list? Maybe by the time the festival's around, are you guys kind of rolling with the same ones you're doing now? Maybe we do something special for it. That's a good question. You know what we won't do? It won't be special. Um, it will be whatever we play on the Oathbreaker tour. Probably. Probably. Because like,

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He said, like, we're going to do that set, and then that's our job, right, for a couple weeks. And then he goes out of town. He's actually flying back for just a couple days so we can jam, so we can fly back out to Philly. So we'll probably, you know, like, we tried pretty hard to be tight live, and so we probably won't play a song we hadn't played in a while. Yeah, we don't take any chances here. I mean, we might surprise you, Buke, just because you seem interested in that. This one's for Buke. This is this.

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You're out there somewhere, wherever you are. It's going to sound like shit, but this one's for you. John and I, we were at the Opus show at Radio City, and they played By the Pain I See in Others. John and I are losing our mind, but I left there thinking, you know what? Maybe they should not have played that one. Okay, that's just fucking stupid, Bukin. You know that. I know. It sounded amazing. I'm sorry.

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I'm trying to do a little chemist lying here, you know? But I have to admit, I love your guys' set list. I had to ask because with you guys not opening with Above kind of blows me away, but that's what I want. We haven't gotten to the tour set list, though, so you may not have seen the set list yet. You're right. You're right. We haven't decided about what it's going to be. They don't even know. It's a surprise to them, too. I don't even belong. I'm not even in this band.

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I think a real quick Seinfeld episode. You guys watch Seinfeld when Kramer's like, the guy the boss fires him. He's like, well, I don't even work here. Okay, guys. By the show, we were going to play Above the Water, but Phil broke his string on the last song. We had rehearsed it as an on-course. One job, Phil! No, he has two. Two jobs, yeah. I forgot to ask this during the interview, but you had Absolution in 2015,

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So are you going to break the streak here? Is there going to be an album this year at the end of the year? Are you working on anything? We won't have an album, but we will have a couple of releases. I can't really say anything. That's cool. Breaking news here on the podcast? We are the best podcast in the world, you know. Nobody's going to hear it. Don't worry, you can say whatever you want. 2017 is a double album. It's looking busy, man.

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We have some ideas in the bank. We worked out some stuff, actually. We have a couple songs for a couple other things that Zach said, you know, hinted. Movie soundtracks, things like that. Yeah, that's right. I wish. I did not ask you guys. I totally forgot to ask during the interview. Does Phil have any classically training for his singing at all? No. Best story about the whole thing, man, is that Phil's a singer because no one else wanted to sing.

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Get the fuck out of here. That's incredible. I guess he's like, maybe I'll try it. It's been a process. Does he also do the death metal vocals? No, that's been... Worked his ass off. When you say it's been a process, that means there's a real embarrassing demo out there I'd love to hear. At one point, it was the weak part of our band, honestly. He worked so

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fucking hard. And I mean, to the point of like paying for like an online training session or sessions or program, you know. And man, I mean, we can't say enough about the work he did because that's our signature now. You know, his voice is. Without a doubt. So anyway, that's the kind of inside information we like. Yeah. So moving on, Iron Maiden announced a U.S. tour

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And it's going to be starting in our area at Bristow, Virginia. What's it? Jiffy Lube Live. And that's what? June 3rd. So I don't know. You can get your oil and see Iron Maiden at the same time. Yeah. Well, you kind of need an oil change because the time you start heading towards Jiffy Lube Live and the time you actually get there, the car needs a fucking oil change. I didn't honor that joke enough. I did not honor that joke enough. You can get an oil change and see Iron Maiden at the same time.

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Our stadiums are named the lamest shit these days, dude. Before that, it was Nissan Pavilion. We used to have Comfort Dental. That was the worst. Out here, they're all sleep train amphitheaters. Sleep train is a local mattress. People, they have a sleep train amphitheater. We got like two of them. It's fucking ridiculous. We're going to the sleep train, bros. So Maiden is not playing Denver, which is a crime because our whole band went to the last

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Maiden show. We had a blast. They should think it's a crime. It's a crime for us. It's a bummer. It was great. We had the worst seats, too. They were awful. It was a Pepsi Center. You drink a Pepsi while you watch Iron Maiden. Our seats were pretty close to the stage, which was nice, but we were backs against the wall in the highest row. I've been there.

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It actually worked out pretty good. Which tour was it? Just this last one. Yeah, the Book of Souls. Okay, the Book of Souls thing. I had a buddy that used to go to shows, and he always had the worst seats, but he always was such a positive guy, and he'd go like this. He'd go, you know on the floor? Okay, so there's the floor seats. And then right behind that, there's that thing that's a little bit higher, so really those are better seats. And then behind that, there's this aisle, and it's like the first row of the bucket seats that go up. He goes, we were right behind that. Slowly build it until you realize,

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was in the fucking parking lot.

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You know what I mean?

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That's great.

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We did find redeeming things about the seats, but yeah, that's a bummer.

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We're going to miss Iron Maiden.

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They are coming here, I'm grateful to say, and I didn't think we'd get a chance

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on this tour, so I'm looking forward to it.

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And they're coming to Oakland, which is just hop, skip, and a jump from my house.

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Yeah, when was the last time that happened, Jay?

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What, back in the 80s?

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In Oakland itself?

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The Maiden in Oakland?

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Yeah, it's been a long time.

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It's been a long time, dude.

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A long time.

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I mean, I've seen them every tour since Brave New World, and it's always...

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The last time they played Oakland was when I was in high school there. I mean, that's how long it's been. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. So that is that. That was I was actually a new book of souls. Yeah. What'd you guys think of book of souls? It wasn't my. Thank you, Dan. Come on. I don't like it. We're not crazy. I am some killer tracks. Yeah, I think that my main problem with like the last few maiden albums is that they have this tendency to like repeat the chorus 10 fucking times in a song. That's a common complaint. All right. Plus a sort of pretty bass.

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Pretty Bass Solo intro, build up, build up. They've got a little pattern they're doing now, for sure. But I still like it. I actually listened to it this month, for sure. It's a listenable album, for sure. It is. Nurgle of Behemoth has this solo folk band called Me and the Man. They just released the video for the first song, My Castle is Black. I watched that. You did?

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Wasn't it kind of weird? I dig it, though. It was kind of like Johnny Cash meets Nick Cave. Totally. Yeah. And really get the Nick Cave influence. Yeah, it was very Nick Cave. It's interesting, yeah. I mean, he's an artist, and so it's not going to be anything. I mean, most of the 15-year-old metalhead kids are going to be a fucking deep disappointed dude, but if you've got a broader palette, you might, yeah. Plus, it's all about his, he still seems to write about the subjects that matter to him, you know? Yeah. Which, by the way, I saw them on the Satanist

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tour some few months back. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Yeah, I saw that the first go-around of that, and it was awesome. Great, yeah. And the other thing is, he obviously has good choice in decorating, because who would paint their castle any other color? Exactly. It's like, you know, John Mellencamp would probably have a little pink castle, but... I don't remember just a little bit. There's this guy who does acoustic versions of metal songs, and he's just on YouTube, and he did an acoustic version, a real creepy

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weird, old sounding acoustic version of In League With Satan, the Venom song, if you guys know Venom at all. And it's fucking bitchin'. It is so good. Dude, it sounds like Dracula recorded it in 1932 or something, you know what I mean? But it's really good. It's really fucking good. All right. So Matt Barlow has a new project. I had no idea this was coming. It's called Sentinels with Jonah Weingarten of Pyramaze. And I don't even know if it's metal. The description,

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said cinematic arrangements, piano, and thunderous percussion. It remains to be seen. I'm not sure. It sounds metal-ish, but not necessarily metal. So I don't know. I'll have to wait and see what that sounds like. Metal-ish in the same vein that Trans-Siberia is metal? Well, that's not really the same thing, but kind of. But that description makes you seem like it's in the same vein. Well, I didn't see anything about guitars. That's what I'm like. Cinematic makes me think keyboards, and then piano, and then thunderous

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percussion, not necessarily drums, percussion. So that could be, you know, timpani or, you know, whatever. You know, it sounds big and thunderous. Machine guns. So, you know, we're all huge fans of Barlow here. He's joined the podcast a couple of times. Yeah. I've already talked to him. He said he would come on and support this easily. Like we've said repeatedly, one of the best voices in metal. Yeah. And a great, great guy. Great guy. And a cop. And a great, yep. Great guy. And a great cop. Yeah. And a great cop. How do you know that?

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Well, he actually works only about an hour and a half, two hours from here. And I've driven through. He works in this little town. And we pass it going to the beach and back. And I'm all like, let's do something illegal so we get pulled over. So Barlow can sign my ticket. Yeah, and so I'm like, we drive through there. I'm like looking for police cars going, where's Barlow? George, at the last rest stop before you get to his town, you're smashing in your back tail light.

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I'm thinking more extreme, like let's go rob a liquor store, something, you know. George looks in the rearview mirror, sees that nice red hair, and George is like, oh baby, oh baby. I'm speeding up. Until he gets his ass dragged into the station. What was that, Dan, you were starting to say something? I said, he's thinking, oh, I'm so glad I stole this ice cream sandwich. Don't get pulled over by small town cops.

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So, uh, being that this is the first episode of the year and, uh, you know, things get kind of slower on the holidays, uh, we are now starting to see a lot of release upcoming release dates for, uh, albums for 2017 and pretty much the majority of the rest of the news is album announcements. So I'm just going to kind of roll through these. If you have any comments, just throw them in. Uh, Paul Bearer is getting ready to release Heartless, their new album on March 24th.

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I think we're all pretty much looking forward to that one.

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Dude, I have been listening to the EP more and more for some reason.

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I mean, you can listen to it in 15, 20 minutes or whatever.

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And I'm convinced it is the transitional piece that gets into this next little phase.

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Because they're talking about...

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I don't know if you guys have seen, but there's a little description of the album that could scare you that they were about to pull a sword here.

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But they're not, I don't think.

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I think it's going to be more like what we see in the EP, which is great.

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And by the way, he does a fucking kick-ass Peter Steele imitation, doesn't he?

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Yeah, that kind of blew me away.

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Yeah, I'm a big typo fan. Me too. And the EP, is it worth mentioning that the EP came out on 20 bucks a bit? Yes, there you go. Hell yeah. And they chose to do Over and Over, which is a very overlooked Sabbath tune. My faith level is high on this new release. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, man, we can't wait. I'm interested to see what... Hey, Zach and Dan, speaking of Paul Bearer, I know here on the podcast, we've prepared you guys to Paul Bearer.

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Do you guys see the similarity or do you get due to other venues or other magazines or whatever interview people say that there's a lot of similarity between you guys and Paul Bearer? Do you get that? This interview is over. We get that comparison a lot. I get it. I just think none of us think about the band similar to Paul Bearer so it's a little bit weird for us but I love that band so it's flattering for me. You know what though? It's a lazy comparison because I'm

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I have to fully admit to you it's a comparison I made until I listened to your record more and they're completely different and I and I was like completely wrong in that I'm just being the second record it was like dude go back and listen to it again and I was like okay oops I think I mean yeah better production going oh there's some much different than production though I mean you have this maiden element to your stuff there's a lot like the traditional metal and like rock elements I think yeah those aren't there and all there right exactly

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But we all love that band. They are great. We love them too. No doubt. I'm glad that went that way. Because, you know, Jay, like you, that's what I was going to say. I think it's kind of a lazy comparison. You know, we play slow, and I guess we probably are both down-tuned. Clean vocals. That's one of the ones that really people get hung up on. But it's like saying Iron Maiden is a Judas Priest cover band or something. It's just bullshit. Come on. Well, you know, back in the 80s,

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They were always playing up the Iron Maiden versus Judas Priest in the magazines. Now it's going to be Paul Bear versus Chemist. Which camp are you in? Yeah, yeah. We played with them in August. It was cool. It was awesome. If I was a clean vocal heavy music fan, I would have loved it. I was at that show. It was pretty sweet. Were you there, really? Yeah, I was there, at least in spirit. But yeah, it was cool. It was really neat.

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It was like the first time that we got to do that. And after all the comparisons, Absolution, I think, probably had even more of those comparisons. And, you know, because they were already pretty well established. But yeah, after all the comparisons and the fact that we got to do that, I was like, this is really cool. Sorry, Jake. I'll just care if you talk to him a little bit. You guys get to know them. Cool guys. Oh, yeah. They're really nice. Yeah. They were like, let's do this again. So yeah, we will get to do that. Was it up by you? The show was.

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by Denver. Small venue sold out in a day. They had a night off from that Baroness tour, so they did a Denver date. You guys should tour together, to be honest. That would be a fucking killer tour. Imagine a tour. We'll take care of it. Imagine Emma's Paul Barrow on the metal board. Oh, man. Next release, I just saw this one scroll across my screen from Jay. Trollfest has an album coming out February 24th. If you don't like Trollfest,

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There's something wrong with you.

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I don't know.

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They're like this slightly funny heavy metal band from Norway,

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but I just love these guys to death.

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Sort of a heavier folky metal.

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I can't explain it.

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You've got to go look at them.

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They're hilarious.

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Fin Troll's evil cousin.

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But they actually make great records.

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They make amazingly good records.

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I love these guys.

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So now on to stuff that people care about now.

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Woo-hoo!

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Going back to the Doom,

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Leif Edling's The Doomsday Kingdom

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is getting ready to release their self-titled debut

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on March 31st via Nuclear Blast. They put out an EP, I think it was last year, that was kind of cool. And looking forward to that. Are they going to be at Valk? No, I don't think so, unfortunately. Well, Candlemas is going to be. That's right. And Smite. And Leif's other band, Avetarium, are getting ready to work on their third album as well, which I'm definitely looking forward to that. Pretty much anything he does is kind of cool and worth checking out. Yeah. Is he touring? Like, isn't Candlemas?

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What's Kano Mass playing? Oh, MDS. Okay. And also, uh, Copenhagen. Copenhagen. That's where we saw them, right? Um, but they're on their latest lead singer, too. Yeah, but they're going to be doing, uh, candle, or not Kano Mass, Nightfall. Yeah, yeah. I know, that's so killer, man. I'm like, man, it would be so cool if, if, you know, they're like, surprise, Messiah's going to sing today. Absolutely. That would be sick. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. And, uh, Memoriam, uh, featuring

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of Bolt Thrower and Benediction is going to be releasing for The Fallen in March as well. I'm definitely looking forward to that. And they're also playing Valken. Yeah, that'll be. I'm excited to check out that album. Yeah. You ever been to a Valken, guys? Never have. A couple of guys here on the pod, George and Jay, are going next year. We're going. It's this year, yeah. This year. All in. And the new self-titled Obituary album is also releasing in March. Look at Bukes' face shaking his head. I don't get it. You're the death metal guy.

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And you don't like obituary. That doesn't make any sense. The vocals just kill me. His voice. I can't stand his voice. I said that like 25 years ago. Now I think his voice is incredible. So I'm looking forward to that. I liked him from the beginning. And by the way, I keep saying this every episode. The new Brewheads column with John Tardy, the vocalist, front man for obituary. He was kind enough to answer some questions about Hopped and Half Beer.

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be done any day now any day now while we're on the concept of and i meant to bring this up

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really i'll be brief but on vocalists and especially that have aged or not aged well i saw udo dirkschneider last

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night he was fucking amazing uh they did just nothing but accept songs and and i'm not the hugest

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accepts fan but i do like them and they did all the songs i care about but they played 25 songs two and a

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half hours maybe it was 30 songs and they and they was like they did never stop to even tune and he sounded amazing all night long it was fucking awesome so now is that because they stayed in tune or did they just play out of tune let's get back to the bus no and and one of the t-shirts they were selling had like i mean this tour has been going on for months it's like was like 150 dates so this and he's 60 fucking four years old so i'll put my stamp of approval on that tour i i went as a kind of lark and

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I think most of us on the podcast can agree the new Tau Cross album tentatively titled A Pillar of Fire which is due this summer is something that we're pretty much all looking forward to I think. I would agree. Yep. Yeah. Agreed. Yep. You guys had the first one? You had the first record? Yeah. That's good wasn't it? It's a great record. It was a real favorite. For sure. Yeah it kind of was didn't know what to expect you know like I don't know. It's a weird mishmash of guys. It's like Amoebics Voivod what? Yeah exactly. Right.

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It was a real favorite here last year. I basically just

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try to take little tidbits from

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Zach because he listens

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he's dedicated to listening to

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not only new stuff but good stuff

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I guess.

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So he helped rattle off a list

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and that was one of the ones that I happened to capture

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and checked it out

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a couple years ago.

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It was a cool record.

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And Valonfire is getting ready to release

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their third album this summer and it's called fear those who fear him so if you wait if you fear him then then you should fear me i don't get it but i'm sure it'll be cool i think it's this george many and an enemy has an enemy an enemy does that help okay well it's like if there's some dude and a bunch of people fear him why do you why shouldn't you fear him not the people that fear him maybe i don't know maybe it's like don't you

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Crowds can be out of control.

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And they fear somebody.

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And so, I don't know.

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Maybe it's the super religious people who have Jesus Christ or God in awe and fear him and fear the people who put them up on a pedestal.

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Oh, there you go.

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There you go.

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Bring your actual fucking logic into this conversation.

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Yeah.

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I thought we were dealing with Death Fest George there for a minute.

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Woo.

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Hey, you ever notice how weird that sounds?

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Valley and Fire.

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Sorry.

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Was Valley and Fire on the Decibel Tour?

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Yeah, we saw them, man. They actually put out a rocking show. Yeah, that's cool. That's Gregor McIntosh from Paradise Lost. Yeah, I love these guys. Oh, yeah. It sounds like you're watching the dude from Paradise Lost. It's like, oh, yeah. I keep trying to find the vinyls. I can't find them at a relatively easy, good price. Yeah. And Winter Sun, probably one of the most highly anticipated albums this year. Not the

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to Time Part 1, but The Forest Seasons is the name of this new album. So I don't know what that's going to be like. I guess he finally got his sauna, though, so they could finish an album. Because, you know, the Finns got to have their saunas. Am I right? Am I right, Yanni? Huh? Yeah. So yeah, no, definitely looking forward to that, though. I think they call it Sauna. Sauna. There you go. Sauna.

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is in Finnish language? Is it Finland? It's closer to a sauna. It's like it's swalmy. Yeah. S-O-U-M-I. Yeah. I've seen that in like Finnish album titles, particularly in Pilt Nazarene. Netherlands is Dorniederlons. Oh, there you go. I'm not going to shut up. It means lower land. Is that what it means, Will? Yeah, niederlons is lower. Lons is the same. Look at this. This podcast is too, this is the smartest episode yet.

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I gotta pretend I have a master's degree every now and again. Alright, and the last two upcoming releases, Toombs is working on a new album, and we love those guys, and for your pirate metal needs, Aelstorm is also working on a new album. Alright, where's the crickets thing? What happened to your sound effects? Slack it. Yeah, I turned it off so I can text. Hold on, here we go. Nope. Mastodon has a new album coming out this year. Yeah, there's not a release date yet, though.

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They are actually kind of funny little videos they're doing. I can't talk about it basically is what they're saying. It's a joke. Immolation's got it. Yeah. Is Macedon teasing you because they're teasing you that it'll be metal or what are they teasing? It's not going to be metal. The one guy says he hates metal. I know. That's my point. Get off, Macedon. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to our new releases of which there are few.

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Spend your water money down!

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I'm familiar with their earlier material, and it was really more just sort of black metal. Not exactly your typical black metal, but pretty close, not too far off the beaten path in terms of black metal. And when I was listening to this, I was like, look at all those clean vocals. I swear there's a part in there that I could have mistaken for a Devin Townsend song. So it's kind of proggy, a lot of clean stuff on there, as well as the harsh vocals. Accessible. It's definitely a big step from the last album, and

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Definitely worth checking out. Definitely. They're trying something new. Yeah. The band Sanhedrin that we played with in New York, their guitar player plays in Black Anvil. Oh, right on. This is such a small world. Jeremy, we met him and it was cool because I hadn't listened to Black Anvil at all until, I mean, I obviously had heard their name and knew him. Of course. And then it was like, he was such a good dude and Sanhedrin was such a good band. He's a stout guitar player. Yeah.

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Well, I probably should listen to his other band because he rips. So yeah, and I liked it. I think I made it through once, but it was cool. I think the new one would be a little more interesting to you, for sure. Yeah. Because like George says, it goes to some new, different, interesting places. It's more like listening to an enslaved album than a Dark Throne album. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Next one is the new Emptiness album, Not For Music. Yeah, that pretty much describes it. Ouch.

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I'm not saying it's bad. In fact, I find it very interesting. And officially, my opinion is still out on this one. They used to be a pretty straightforward black metal band. A couple of the guys are enthroned. And I've liked them in the past. And their last album still had a black metal element to it, but they'd really started pulling in this weird, avant-garde, drone stuff.

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Yeah, and I was like, I don't know. I mean, it's all right. And so I listened to this one, and there's really not much metal about it, other than that it's dark and evil. But it's not particularly black metal. But there's like harsh-ish vocals that are more spoken than screamed or sung. But it's kind of cool. So I'm still trying to figure out where this sits, but on the whole, I think it's kind of cool. This next one, I finally just heard yesterday. I really loved their last album. It's a band

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called Helheim. They're a black metal band, like a Viking-ish black metal band from way back. And they've got a new album that I'm going to, I don't know how it's pronounced, but I'm going to go with Land Warrior just because that J in the middle there towards the end, I'm going, yeah, it's a yar. So we'll just call it Land Warrior. It'll get you close enough. And that is a really cool album. So it's not going to be for Buke because it's not in English, but if you like black metal with, you know, like a Viking aspect to it, definitely cool.

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Check It Out. And finally, the brand new creator album, Gods of Violence, technically not out till next week. We've got the promo, though, and it's pretty cool. I'm going to like it. I think it's better than the last two, in all honesty. You don't like it? You don't like it, Will? Yeah, I thought you liked it. No, I love it. No, I do, but Hordes of Chaos is by far their best album ever. You liked it better than Hordes of Chaos? Yeah. Well, that was 2002 or something. 2009. 2009, sorry. I was thinking of The Art of Rebellion or whatever it was, but they, it's,

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Have you noticed that their choruses have got kind of a monomarthy? A little bit, yeah. Yeah, that's my criticism. I feel like the edge, and some of the songs, the edge is slightly gone. It's heavy, though. It's heavy as all good out. It's great, and I can guarantee it will be on my year-end list already from listening to the promo. What's the single that they have planned on SiriusXM right now? Satan is Real. Something with Satan. Satan is Real. There's definitely a cheesy, chorus-y element.

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in the middle of it where I'm like, ah, you know, if you just change that chorus, it'd be a brutal song. But the verse riff is just fucking insane. It's fucking cool. I love it. Creator's absolutely one of my favorite bands in the entire world. I love them. This is a great album. It's kind of like Testament. Testament put out a great album. It's just like, ah, there's just a few elements of it's great. Almost there. Yeah, it's almost there. So I feel like this one is, it's a great album.

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It's almost there. My high bar for them is either extreme aggression way back when I was a teenager or you may hear that again later or it's chaos 2009. Pleasure to Kill isn't? Yeah, that's one of my favorite Pleasure to Kill. It's probably my single favorite. And you know, Renewal. I'm just waiting for somebody to contradict me on that one. That one will leave you all by yourself, buddy. You're going to throw something like that out? You're going to...

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I'm not calling it one of their best, but I do like the weird albums Renewal and Andorama. I like them. They're good for what they are. All right, so this is the time where we get into our list.

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We made a list and we all made a list and we're gonna tell you all about it right now.

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We're gonna do things a little bit differently this time.

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If you're on Facebook, you've probably seen people posting a lot of these lists lately.

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And it's the 10 albums that made a lasting impression on you as a teenager.

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And I've seen this so much on my Facebook feed.

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I was like, you know what?

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We should do this.

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We do lists.

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We should do this.

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So I asked everybody to go ahead and make their top ten list of albums that made a lasting impression on them as a teenager. And instead of counting them down like we normally do, because there's ten of them, it's going to take for frickin' ever for one, two, three, four, you know, there's too many of us to do it like that. So basically, mine's alphabetical, and we're going to go through each person. We'll start with Dan and Zach, we'll move on to John, then Will, then Jay, Buke, and myself, and we'll just read our list.

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It looks like we're making some practice changes anyway. Changes happen all the time. It's okay. I think it's probably going to benefit this. Phil's sick. All right. So this was a really hard list for me to make. The big thing about this list too is how old you are. I'm 34. You're a baby. Exactly. I'm a baby.

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I did not listen to a lot of music at all. Yeah, I figure, you know, you got into metal probably at the very end there, like 1890. Yeah, I did. I didn't listen to music until then. And yeah, I, you know, it stands to reason that there should be non-metal music on these lists. Right. So, you know. Trying to fit Alba into your list ain't going to work, George. I actually didn't go there, like, because I kind of, like,

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I tried to focus on stuff that was like rock or hard rock or metal that influenced me during this time because there was a lot of other stuff influencing me at this time like Technotronic. No, I'm just kidding. Okay. So I'll do your rhythmic wham. Good stuff. It could also influence you in a negative way. Yeah. I have four Eurythmics records, man. I love Eurythmics. I saw Annie Lennox in concert, man. It was awesome. I love Annie Lennox. Okay. So I kind of put these

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And I also cheated. So fuck you guys. So here we go. All right. Hey, that's metal. Yeah. Neil Young Harvest. Yes. John's nipples just got hard. No. It was on my mom's record collection and it just fucking floored me. And it was probably before my teenage years, to be honest, but loved it. So Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, the only one in my parents' record collection was, I think, was that the only Black Sabbath record.

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I was listening to in combination with that and having my mind blown was Uriah Heat's self-titled album. So those two freaked me the fuck out. Sorry Will for swearing in front of your daughter. Number three. She can't hear. She's like, I don't know where it is. Liz up one four. I'm sorry, dude, but when the levy breaks is the heaviest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.

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Jay feels awkward.

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If you don't think John Bonham hits the drums hard,

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in the beginning of that song, it rules.

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So I had to keep that one in there.

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Ride the Lightning was the first Metallica record that I ever heard.

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My buddy's big brother had it on cassette,

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and we were like, hey, check this shit out.

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So that's on there.

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In that same kind of time frame,

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Anthrax Among the Living was one that I played until it broke and I bought a new one and played that cassette until it broke and also another cheater I'm going to save the same spot for this one is Testament the New Order you know that was basically like Among the Living was in the tape deck Testament was in the tape deck you know some Metallica cassettes and then so there's that number six is King Diamond Conspiracy oh yeah this was kind of my first venture into

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that style of music. There's this dude in junior high who actually used to bully me, which is bizarre because I'm not a small dude. It didn't work real well for him. He tried to bully me, let's put it that way, but he always wore these King Diamond shirts. Even having a little bit of metal in my background, that guy freaked me the fuck out. I was like, I got to check this stuff out. That was the first, not my favorite King Diamond album by Any Beans, but the first one I listened to.

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Wow, so your King Diamond experience was facing your bully. That's how you got into it. I love that. It's so weird. Face your fears, man. He was like, I'm a fairly passive person, generally speaking, and this guy was just kind of, you know, he's always trying to get me, and finally did, and I slammed him up against his locker, and I'm like, I like your t-shirt. Is it Zach? Is that how that story ends? Yeah, well, that's really appropriate, because you know anything about me. I'm going to King Diamond.

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What's your favorite King Diamond album? Oh my god. To me it's Abigail, but he struggled with it. Yeah, Abigail's mine. I think it's Abigail. Did he catch the tour this year? Yeah, yeah. That was fucking great. It was great. I flew to Texas to see him. I saw him like three times on that tour. Wow. Yeah, and now we're going to see him at Psycho, so that's great too. Awesome. Number seven's a weird one, Iron Maiden Live After Death. Oh, of course.

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Yeah, it was, you know, I had like, I grew up in like, my mom was like this crazy Bible thumper. So like, I couldn't actually have Iron Maiden stuff in the house. So I would get like mixtapes and then she would find it. So my whole Iron Maiden background was like one song that some guy put on a mixtape for me until she tossed them, whatever. That's funny because I had a friend, his mom was Jehovah's Witness. And so she, he was not allowed to have any rock music, let alone metal. Yeah. And he said,

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Sorry, George. Go ahead. He would steal his mom's Bible cassettes and give them to me, and I would dub metal albums on them for him so that they were camouflaged in the house. Yeah. So anyway, this album, for whatever reason, you know, it was just this huge, it just put it all together for me. And also, as far as the live record goes, at that period of time, it was one of the best live records I had heard. That's probably my favorite all-time live album. It was great. Yeah. Alive and Dangerous? Yeah. No, absolutely.

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Yeah, agreed. Dan, how old are you? I'm 41. Okay. Yeah. So what do I got? Number eight, Nine Inch Nails Broken. That's a good one, dude. Slash Ministry. Mine is a terrible thing to taste. Nice. Awesome. So I grew up in Chicago in industrial music. I listened to a lot of it. Ministry Town. Yeah, it was hard for me to leave bands like Leather Strip and Halyab and all that off of this list, but those two at the same time, same thing, you know, like back to back just really spoke to me. This one's kind of funny.

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are going to laugh at me, but it's Soundgarden, bad motor finger. Nobody's going to laugh here. When I put frickin' Power Metal and I put Glory Hammer on my end of year list last year. Nobody laughed. Yeah, nobody laughed. You guys would be wrong if you did, actually, because it's actually a fucking word. Thank you. We're all friends here. This is a circle of trust, Dan and Zach. Circle of trust. I also have to tell you, Buk, you remember that moment wrong. I think people did laugh when you said Glory Hammer. I'm looking at you, John.

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Yeah, you're muted. You're muted. Yes, I laughed. I was muted. Sorry. Will's been held hostage. He's not getting ducked. What the hell's going on there? In that era with the grunge label and all that shit, it's a super heavy record. Yeah, it's a metal record. If you hadn't revisited it, it's awesome. It's great. So, number 10, Kaya's Blues for the Red Sun. Definitely. I think it came out, what did it come out? 91, 92, something like that. Sounds right.

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I didn't really discover it until maybe '93-'94. But it was like a trajectory change for me, I think. It really got a lot into that style of music at that point. So that was a big one for me. It was a trajectory change in general, and I would go so far as to argue Sleep, who you mentioned previously, and you guys. Honestly, none of what's going on now. Caius was the root of all of that. There was nobody else doing that at that time.

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again. So even before sleep they were doing it. And then it kind of exploded from there. Yeah, man. So that was a big one for me. Cool. Did I get 10? That's 10. Nailed it. Zach, what you got? All right. So I have to preface this with I have an older brother, four years older than me, who's also into metal and worked at a record store. So he influenced my tastes a lot. So there's a bunch of stuff coming through. Also a cop. Yeah, that's true. Wow.

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ZZ Top was an omnipresent thing for me growing up. So that's a thing that resides over everything. I'm not including it on the list. Oh, you're not? All right. It's like air. You don't include air on the list. Yeah, exactly. I should say I'm from Texas originally, so it is like air. It's air. And Tomales. Yep. But Master of Puppets, number one. That's what got me into metal.

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My brother gave me the tape and was like, check this out. Check this out. Yeah. From there, it was kind of natural progression to Slayer, Rain and Blood. And then Danzig, Lucifuge. Nice. That's an interesting one. Wow. Over the first one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like them. I'm a huge Danzig fan, so most of it. But yeah, the second one really hooked me. I don't know. I think... Was it the one that got to you first? No, I... Like you got it first or you had the first one?

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I did the first one and I thought it was cool. I liked like Twisted K and there was something about the second album where it just, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it was the blues bass, you know, that like really hooked me in. And then from there, I kind of, I got into, I kind of split in two directions, but In Flames Oracle. Oh, yes. That was a big deal to me. And even the Depeche Mode cover, Everything Counts on there was like, that was my introduction to Depeche Mode. So yeah, cool. And so I got

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And then I started getting into more extreme shit. And it started with black metal. So Mayhem, Death Crush, but De Maciris more importantly. That really bowled me over. I never heard anything that sounded that crazy and insane. Just gave me chills. And then I started getting into death metal side. Entombed, Left Hand Path was a big deal. The drumming on that album is ridiculous.

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I was really into the Nihilist demos too, so those two things at the same time were a really big deal. And then I kind of started branching out, influenced stuff into more like the goth side almost, but I heard the Cure Pornography album, and that's still a big deal to me. I think it's one of the most depressing. I'm not familiar with it. I've heard of it, but I just haven't listened to much of them. Disintegration is great too. They fit. A metal guy can get away with that as a high school kid.

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Yeah, I really like the early stuff. There's something about pornography that's just so heavy. I mean, it's unrelentingly... Out of context, that was an amazing sentence. Yeah, I'm making a clip out of that. Yeah, I mean, that's still a big deal to me. And right around the time I was getting into that, I heard ISIS put out Oceanic. And I was like, cool on that band. And then I saw them live in a club that held about, I don't know, maybe 100 people.

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And they were touring for that album and it was so fucking heavy. Yeah, one of the best records of the 90s. Their live shows are amazing. Or no, they were post-90s. That was out in early 2000s. Yeah, right around 2002 or something. And I was going on right away to see them on that tour. They came and played San Francisco with Mogwai and they opened for them and played for like 30 minutes. But I went and I went and I introduced myself to them. I used to write to Aaron Turner back and forth just to tell them how much I fucking loved them, man. That record is so good. Yeah, and seeing them live really blew me away. It was just way heavier than I thought.

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it was going to be. And then I got kind of two outliers, but around the same time that sent me off in different directions. Tragedy Vengeance. That album is great. I got to see them play a basement in Denton, Texas for an absolutely insane, rabid crowd. And that kind of blew me away. And then Magnolia Electric Company. What comes after the blues? Not metal at all. But Jason Molina is a big deal to me. And listen to everything that guy's put out.

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It's real sad when he died. I got to see them play live once in Texas before that. So those are what was he? He was an alcoholic and died from from that. So that's my list. Yeah. All right. Before we move on, I got to ask something of Princess Will here. Is that a tiara on your head?

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Yeah, there's a TR on my head. There's all kinds of stuff on my head. I'm being taken hostage. Please help me. All right. All right, John. John, yeah. All right, so being that I bring this up all the time, the oldest guy on the podcast, a lot of my stuff was because I was raised actually on radio. It may be a journey title for an album, but that's the truth. I mean, I grew up on FM.

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Well, maybe. A couple of them, yes. A couple. Everything was FM-based for me in the late 70s, early 80s. The first five are albums that influenced me. The other five I actually got when they came out. We just tore them to shreds listening to them so much. First off was Sabbath Bloody Sabbath from Black Sabbath. That's the album that got me in the metal. It really kind of set the tone. Wow.

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I'm doing my list and everybody's leaving. All right. We've talked too long. Everyone has to go to the bathroom. Yeah. All right. I do have a Led Zeppelin album. It's not Led Zeppelin 4, but it's physical graffiti. In My Time of Dying is just, to me, their best song. And I always thought that was just such a powerful song. So an album that got me wanting to go to concerts when I first heard this. And George will appreciate this one. It's a live album from Sammy Hagar from the late 70s called All Night Long.

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There's just so much energy in that album. And yeah, the lyrics are campy as anything. His band was so good. You know, they're former Montrose guys and everything. So I was always really big on that. And then two albums that got me going on the prog side. The first one was Rush 2112. I mean, I just remember just listening to that over and over again when I first heard that. And then Fragile by Yes. Number 11 on my 10 list, by the way, was 2112. I just couldn't fit it in. Oh, well. That's fine.

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You should know that on this podcast, first of all, this one goes to 11, as Will would say. So it's always okay to have that. But we never stick to it. I've actually got like 14. So like I was saying, while not my favorite album by Yes, not even close to my favorite album by them, but when I first heard Fragile is the album that got me into them. And that started me down the whole prog road. But it is a great record, dude. It is, but it's not even my favorite now that I've been a fan for, what, 37 years or 36?

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It doesn't even have a vulnerable

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lonely heart on it.

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No, it does not.

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And these next five, I got them when they came out.

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And it's hard to describe.

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Before a lot of the metal that I listen to now even existed,

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a lot of this stuff was kind of, I wouldn't call it proto-metal,

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but it was kind of the early stages of everything that we listen to now.

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First one was Ozzy Osbourne's Diary of a Madman.

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I just tore that apart.

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Everyone will always point to his first album, Blizzard of Oz,

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but I always liked Diary of a Madman.

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I totally forgot about that but yeah holy shit I used to listen to the first like three or four Ozzy solo records like non-stop man yeah it's like the first like symphonic song you know symphonic yeah and it's it's a little little bittersweet for me because I saw him in 82 right after Randy Rhodes died and I was just like oh but I got Brad Gillis if you know if you're a guitar player you know Brad Gillis it's kind of cool Brad Gillis tricked me into buying a night

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that fucking jerk.

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There are only one worth listening to.

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Jay is the first one.

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The first one.

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And that's what I bought.

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Because you remember he was on Speak of the Devil and I had Speak of the Devil and I was like, that guy's got a band now?

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Yeah.

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And I was like, this isn't fucking Ozzy.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The next four band that nobody ever probably mentions on here, but I always liked this album was Allied Forces from Triumph.

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Fuck yeah, dude.

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Almost made my list, John.

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It's such a good album.

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It's great.

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That opening riff from Fool the Left, the first song of the album. Yeah, I just always loved that. And of course, Fight the Good Fight's a total anthem song. Well, in the song, Allied Forces, Hot Time in the City Tonight, that fucking's a great record, dude. Yeah. Probably the last, well, no, I might have liked Pyromania, but the album High and Dry by Def Leppard was huge. It was their last real metal album from the band. They only had two. And they were part of that new wave of British heavy metal. And then it just became the Mutt Lang show.

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You know, you know, after that. So, yeah. Another album from a band. It's not my favorite by them, but we played it to shit, which was Scream for Vengeance by Judas Priest. Went to the tour. It was amazing. You know, enjoyed it. And then a band that only everyone, if they know them, knows one song by them. But I always liked everything by these guys. And that's the self-titled album from Zebra back in 1983. You know, so those albums, they stuck with me the most. I mean, there's a thousand albums, like you guys said, but. Right. Yeah. It's a super tough list.

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Yeah, I'm kicking myself about Feast right now. But I really wanted to pick the ones that I cut my teeth on myself. I wish I had put Allied Forces on my list, John, because it was, I'm not joking, this close. That was a huge record with me when that came out. Yeah, it was great, so. Willem. Yeah, sorry, I've been having a little bit of technical difficulties and playing dress-up at the same time over here. You look so pretty. Bordero malfunction. I'm still wearing a unicorn necklace, but it is made out of a bottle cap from Legend Brewing Company,

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So my top 10 albums. So I was a teenager. So I was very specific about this. I'd ask George, is it the year that you were from 10 to 19 or the decade from your 10 to 19? Or is it teenagers from 13 to 19? So these are from November 1985 to November 1991 between the ages of 13 and 19. And my list,

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Starting at number one is going to go in chronological order from the earliest release date. My first one is Judas Priest, Defenders of the Faith. And I know what you're saying. This was released in 1984. I was 12. However, I did not start listening to this album until I was 13 years old. I love this album. This is still one of my absolute most favorite albums in the entire world. There's not a clunker on it. Especially like that song Jawbreaker, right? Oh, absolutely.

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It's all about a snake spitting venom. I was like 13. I didn't know what he was talking about. It was probably you, John, probably a year ago who told me, you know what that song is about? I was like, really? Oh, yeah. Kind of is. You didn't see that coming? Hellbent for leather, all that stuff? I was young. I was impressionable. Anyway.

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This is the one that just very much like what Zach said. Metallica, Master of Puppets, released 3 March 1986. When I heard this, there was no going back. That was probably my number one gateway drug into metal. And it speaks for itself. My number three, released on July 5th, 1988, Slayer South of Heaven. This is interesting because when my friend Vern brought this, we were like in 7th grade or something.

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He brought this in and I saw the album cover. I looked at the lyrics. I'm like, I don't know. This scared me. It's influential on me because I refused to listen to Slayer for probably a year or two after that because like, oh my God, they're completely satanic. What's going on? My mom and my grandmother would kill me if I listened to this stuff. So it was influential just because I refused to listen to it. And then once I did, I was hooked. Still one of my favorite bands ever. Number four, Rigor Mortis, self-titled album.

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The First One Released July 19, 1988. I've never heard anything like this before. And what was amazing about it is the guitarist Mike Scatia, or however you pronounce his name, Scotia, God Rest His Soul. He literally almost didn't even play riffs or chords, just would shred leads in every song. Start off a song like that, end a song like that. It was something I've never heard before. And I don't know if it's really,

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Never Been Done Again, to my knowledge. Just like a brutal sort of thrashy death band that just sounded like that. For whatever it's worth, Ben always complains that in Beyond the Door on Haunted, he's like, I play leads this entire song. What is it, like nine minutes? There's only ten minutes. He's like, this song is so tiring for me. Because I play leads the entire time. That's why nobody's done it.

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My number five, another huge gateway for me, Death Leprosy, released August 12, 1988. I think I bought this album solely, I bought on cassette, solely based on the name of the band, the name of the album, and the cover art. And I'm sure all us older guys have done this before. It's like, hey, this looks cool. You know, we didn't have Spotify or Tidal or SoundCloud or anything, even the fucking internet back then to sort of stream music. So it's like, hey, this looks cool. I'll just buy it.

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And death leprosy was one of those. And I never heard death vocals like this before in my life. But you had such a better chance of getting it right back then based on the cover alone. You know what I mean? Like it was going to be death or Iron Maiden or something. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. No, that's a good point. Because when I go through iTunes or Bandcamp, I'm like, oh, it's a cool album cover. I click on it. It's not. Yeah. Mine was Blood, Duts, and Pussy by the Dwarves. Right on. I was going to say this was a record cover. I'll tell you what.

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The Night of the Demon. They have a record called, and it's got this cross on it, and it's a tombstone, and there's these hands coming out, and it's opening the cross, and it's bloody. And this was right when I was really into Venom, so I bought this record, and it's like status quo or something. It's like New Wave. It's not metal. And I was just like, what the fuck is this? My number six, Creator, Extreme Aggression, released June 19, 1989. This is probably one of my first experiences

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with overseas like European metal and I put it on this list one because I loved it and I remember seeing the the video on MTV you know what everyone says back when they played videos for the song Betrayer and it was just like this crazy long-haired European guys I'm like Europeans really like these German guys are making music like we do like me arrogantly thinking like oh only Americans make music like this so that was that was that's very influential record on me creator extremely

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Number 7, Sick of It All, Blood, Sweat, and No Tears, released 12 July 1989. And this was sort of like one of those, another sort of gateway, like eye-opening albums for me because it's one of the first times where I heard, like it's obviously more of like the New York City hardcore sound. It was like you had these short songs that are like 30 seconds long. And I'm like, whoa, what is this? Like, wait, the song's over already? Like, you know, Master of Pup is like a six-minute song or something. You're like, whoa, whoa, what's going on? So it was very influential.

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and expanding my horizons.

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And I remember some kid in art class gave me the cassette.

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He's like, hey, check this out.

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And I was like, whoa, this is so cool.

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In fact, we mentioned it a little bit earlier.

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Go ahead.

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I got to see, when I flew back to Texas to see King Diamond as part of a festival,

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but Sick of It All played their first two albums in that same fest.

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And that was super sick.

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Yeah.

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Was that fun, fun?

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Yeah, fun, fun, fun.

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It was awesome, man.

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I got I got I was a rant I was I was down in Bogota Colombia for work

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probably like a decade ago and uh sick of it all was playing while I was down there and I dragged

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this guy that I was working with who you know kind of old all back in the day used to listen to some metal

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it was like some old weird warehouse and we listened we saw sick of it all just destroy this old

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warehouse in Bogota Colombia it was it was amazing I'm a big sick of it all fan and then uh so my number

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Number eight would be Suicidal Tendencies Light Camera Revolution released on July 3rd, 1990. And somebody was saying earlier, I was probably distracted by the TR on the head of my unicorn. But this was interesting. It was George talking about his Mormon or Jehovah's Witness friend. So I was dating this girl back in high school and I gave her this tape and her father found her. Her whole family was like this huge Bible.

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And he was literally ready to pull me by my long hair and put a gun to my head and kill me because I introduced his little daughter, who was not so innocent, to this disgusting devil music. And what was really interesting is I started reading the lyrics to a lot. You can understand the lyrics when you read the lyrics. It's like a lot of dark themes with uplifting lyrics. It's like how to get over stuff. So that's always had a little bit of an impression on me.

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Number 9, Obituary, Cause of Death. Sorry, Buke. Released September 19, 1990. This is sort of like another foray into death metal. Just absolutely love this album. Still love it to this day. It's my favorite Obituary album and just resonates with me. And then I do have, before I get to my number 10, I do have two honorable mentions. But my number 10, Metallica, The Black Album. What? It's influential. Yeah. But you hate that album.

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It was when he learned his heroes could let him down. It influenced his hate moving forward. Yes, exactly. This is when I realized that my idols can fail you. The people that you hold up on this pedestal will change. And literally, this is extremely influential in my metal listening career because this is when you figure out that people will sell out. People will do stuff. I know Mastodon's.

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a great band, but man, they're just not the same that they used to be. Metallica is not the same they used to be. So it was influential on me for that reason. And I've told the story a million times about me being in boot camp for the Marine Corps and just fucking want to throw it right in the trash. My two honorable mentions is Gwar, Hello, released September 11th, 1988. And just because it was interesting because you could take a completely bunch of unproduced, untalented,

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can't play their instruments guys make an album but just like the lyrics and just the the iconography the the stage presence of this band just sucked me in i'm still guar fan to this day and then um my last one is chromag's best wishes released uh april 26th 1989 because that was sort of like again a crossover kind of like went from the hardcore went to like the more thrash uh speed metal route and i just still one of my favorite albums to this day it's my list right off yeah

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Jay. All mine are, I looked at it from the, these all kind of were like gateway drugs for me. So, you know, and I'll explain as I go. So Black Sabbath, Mob Rules, which was my introduction to Ryan James Dio and that whole family of people. So that was how I got into Rainbow and everything else. But Mob Rules was a great fucking record. It would have been my first Black Sabbath record. A guy who rode the bus with me loaned it to me. And I was like, this is the greatest fucking thing I've ever heard.

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A band, when I was sued, super heavy stuff as a teenager, and a band that kind of pulled me back a little bit when I heard their record, this older record, Nazareth Hair of the Dog, kind of reminded me not everything had to be Slayer. And I still love that record to this day, Nazareth. Probably the first real hard rock record I had was ACDC, For Those About to Rock, We Salute You. I got a Walkman and that and Foreigner 4 cassettes for Christmas one year, and I wore For Those About to Rock,

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I always knew they existed as a concept I grew up in the 80s I'm 40 45 and but when I heard Led Zeppelin 1 I couldn't believe it I thought it was like the greatest fucking thing I'd ever heard in my life still my favorite Zeppelin record though I love all the whole first six records more than I that was a problem like that's probably my desert island band another gateway that kind of got made me understand a lot of bands I didn't know about because a lot of musicians came in and out of this band and went to other bands deep purple

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Perfect Strangers, that Reunion record blew my mind, and introduced me to Ian Gillen, who's one of my easily top three favorite vocalists of all time. And then just as far as progressively heavier in my life, the day I heard Number of the Beast was my whole life. That is one of the turning points of my life. I was like, this is what music can sound like. And then shortly thereafter, Merciful Fate, Melissa, which still is one of my favorite records of all time.

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I'm a merciful fate worshiper. The first album, the first unnamed album, but that some versions have names. One of my favorite live bootlegs of all time is called Live from the Depths of Hell. And then the next two, Melissa and Don't Break the Oath, are still high watermarks in metal for me. Slayer, Shona Mercy, my brother, I had read about them in Cream Magazine of all things, and it was just like this weird little thing in the back. And my brother went to Illinois one year, and I was like, see if you can find this record. And when he brought it back, I was like, I was gone. I was a Slayer fan for the next

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10 years.

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Amping it up from there, Possessed, Seven Churches.

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Wait, what happened after that?

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Only 10 years?

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Well, I mean, their output became a little spotty after that.

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But they just sort of dominated my teenage years.

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Let's put it that way.

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Then I got Possessed, Seven Churches.

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That was one of those.

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Found it in a record store, picked it up, and I couldn't believe how great it was.

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It was like the next most extreme thing I ever heard.

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And then this is kind of generic, but it was my introduction to Aussie-era Sabbath, which is a huge, important part of my life ever since.

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But the first one I got was We Sold Our Soul for Rock and Roll, which is like a greatest hits type thing. Or really a best of type thing. It's more than the greatest hits. But I was just like, how come I did not know about this? And if you grew up in the 80s, you could not have known about it. If you could have had Diary of Mad Men, Blizzard of Oz, there's no reason that you had a copy of Volume 4. And somebody gave me that, and then I immediately went and bought all the Sabbath records and really knew what life was about. So that's it. And I'll say one weird honorable mention, which was a huge record for me in my teenage years.

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this would predated all the other things billy squire don't say no i love yes yes i love that

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when it came out addicted to that fucking record and i still put it on every once in a while hey jay just a quick side

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note you mentioned mob rules yeah first time i actually heard the song is when the movie heavy metal came out

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yeah fuck yeah we actually we had a movie that also convinced me that sammy hagar was a lot more metal than he was

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you know what i mean yes yes and we we had that album and we had to sneak the movie when someone's

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It was risque back then

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I went out and bought a

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Sammy Hagar record and I was like

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wait a second

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this is heavy metal

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so Melissa

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or Don't Break the Oath

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Melissa always for me but I love them both

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I agree

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he worships these guys

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obviously as well but

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I think it's kind of funny that we're going on tour

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with Oathbreaker and I think you should

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I've been on the pod now for a year, a year and a half. I don't know how many episodes we've done with me on it, but 30, 40, something, I don't know. And I think I've mentioned Merciful Fate every episode. I mean, they are one of my be all end all. We can assure you, you mention it on every episode. Yeah, I do. I don't shut the fuck up about them, but God, the hours I spent listening to Melissa, I still think those arrangements, they never, I never,

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never get tired of those records ever i agree the only reason it didn't make my list is because i i found merciful fate i think like when i was 20. yeah i'm in there that's that's good enough you had to yeah honored your man yeah but i would love to see a merciful fate reunion tour and i still think it can happen i know brian slagle wants to make it happen yep that would be great you can we talk to king diamond in psycho fast we'll bet you yeah and i'm sure he's not tired of hearing it yeah exactly hey before you go on uh

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What are we all drinking? I see people have multiple beverages now. Nothing, because I drank all mine already. We moved on to the porter that I brew in the winter for True Dunwich. Dunwich, fuck yeah. How are all you brewers so thin, by the way? Work our ass off, man. And they wear black t-shirts to hide the beer guts. When I was at Port City, I had a pedometer on one day, and I think in one

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12-hour shift, I walked 11 miles. Yeah, I think my average is like, I don't know, three miles a day, you know, just like doing a normal day or whatever. If it's anything extra, then it's... Keep it moving. But John, I'm not drinking anything right now, but I got a fieldwork torrential, it's called torrential crawler in the fridge for later. I'm drinking a Four Hands, the Devil's Invention. It's really good. I'm a stout guy. It's a stout brew with coffee. Oh, nice. It's empty. It looks good. I got that.

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Sorry, go ahead, John. No, I was going to say in the next break, I'll get my next beer, but, you know, whatever. I had to get up and go. I was thirsty. Sorry, Jay, I missed part of your... Sorry. It is boring. I'll listen back to it. No, it's always nice to have a reason to listen to the show later. When I was being interrogated and kidnapped by my children and tiaras and unicorn necklaces and tape over my mouth, I may have zoned out a little bit, but I got the...

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The Champion Brewing Company, they put out their Falconer Hoppy Wheat Ale. And Champion will also be one of the breweries, Zach, at the Decibel Metal Beer Fest. And so this is a heavy metal beer that they make for their buddies in Cossair, which are based in Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh, ironically, there's a band called Falconer, too, so it's not for them. Yeah, it's not for Falconer. I'm sorry. Hey, you know, since we have two metal brewers here on the pod, right now it's just cool.

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Are there like indie rock brewers? Are there rap brewers? I'll tell you what there are for sure is bluegrass brewers. Really? Yeah. If it's not bluegrass or reggae, I mean, that's 90% of breweries right there. Almost all my classmates from Siebel were all into bluegrass and there was like five or six of us out of 40 who were definitely in the middle, but it was a lot of bluegrass.

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And I have to say, I don't mind bluegrass because there's a lot of bluegrass. It's basically, it's like, it's metal on banjos. I mean, they're shredding all those things. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Was that a, like a brewing school you went to? Yeah. Sorry. Siebel's a brewing school in Chicago. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, right now. Cool. Yeah. I don't just pretend. I'm actually real. I don't believe a fucking word you say. You know that. I've had your beer. I'm like, I'm like waiting. I'm waiting for the hip hop brewery, man. I mean, it's gotta be

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coming down the pipeline.

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Are we going to start seeing

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craft brewed 40s?

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Yeah.

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I think Dogfish had did one.

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Yeah, they did.

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Yeah, the brown paper bag.

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I was going to say,

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I don't listen to rap,

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but some of the rap I've heard

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my coworkers listen to,

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I hear a lot of mentionings of 40s.

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I don't know if you can do

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craft 40 ounces of malt liquors.

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I don't know if these are close to you.

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This is like probably 32 ounces. Yeah. 64, isn't it? Is that 64? It's a little half. It's a short half. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of metal. It's a very interesting thing. You wonder why that is. Why is there a lot of metal but not rap or indie rock? Because we're cool. There's some deadhead ones out there. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point. Star Hill. There's a lot of deadheads down at Star Hill in the Charlottesville area of Virginia.

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But I don't know of any straight up hip hop ones or anything. That would be cool. Maybe that's not like a craft brew scene, dude. You're right. Maybe it's just not a craft brew scene. Hey, but Buke, you were drinking three stars earlier. And the guys at three stars, they're bizarre because they're literally half metal, half hip hop. And they've definitely done some hip hop sort of stuff. And they've done some metal stuff. They had the Can I Brew With Madness beer. That's really clever.

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So yeah,

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they're,

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they're,

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they're,

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they're on the edge.

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They're,

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they're okay.

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Yeah.

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Let's get your list.

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I,

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I can't do this.

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This,

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I didn't listen to metal when I was a teenager.

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I didn't listen to music.

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You would have called me a nerd because some of my choices would have been like the Star Wars soundtrack or weird.

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Ow.

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Put them on there.

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Dude,

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dude,

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seriously,

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did you,

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um,

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I have the soundtrack.

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I have the Star Wars soundtrack on vinyl.

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Me too.

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Right in the other room. And I still listen to it with my kid. I, you know, I, nothing, you know, at 30. We're all nerds. We weren't nerds. We were in the middle. I'm a nerd. I still play video games daily. I still listen to my soundtracks. I still listen to Weird Al. So. Yes. But. Just do it, man. So, are you saying where this list was pried? But it's not metal. Doesn't matter. Who cares? Nobody was born metal. Okay, what did we say? Except for Tony I. He was born metal. Exactly.

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I'm going to own this list. This is what Buke was listening to. I can't say influential because I moved off of these albums so much. But I'm going to say what stuck out for my teenage years. Deftones, their White Pony album, Around the Fur and Adrenaline easily. Could have picked any of those. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're solid, guys. You're starting off well. Come on. This next one, this is when I go off the rails. Korn, Issues.

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their self-titled album. See, I'm sorry. This is embarrassing to say. No, no. Listen. The thing is that you aren't there anymore. Yeah, I'm not there anymore. So think of it like, well, yeah. Buk, I want to make a personal promise to you. We will not make fun of you until you're not around. We'll wait. I promise I won't do this. And then we'll write each other emails. Gloryheimer got a bigger laugh than this. Seven Dust, their animosity album. I probably listened to.

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the most when I was a teenager. Oh, yeah. Those are all gateway records, dude. See, I'm sweating bullets for this next one. I can't even say this, really. Linkin Park Hybrid Theory. You were listening to it last night, according to your wife. I was. Stephanie and I were rocking out to it last night. I loved that album. When it came out, it was the last tape that I got. I got the promo for it on cassette tape, I think when I was a sophomore, junior in high school. And it was cool. Of course, we see how much success they've gone on to. You don't see

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many bands able to be stadium acts starting now. Are they still around? Oh, dude, they still play stadiums every tour. They do. They're big, George. They're real big. They just don't pass those spirit. David, thanks for mentioning me. Getting to the heavier albums that influenced me, Metallica S&M was my big Metallica album that I latched on to. Killswitch Engage, their self-titled album, Soulfly Primitive, and the album that got me into

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When I was a junior in high school, Pantera, Reinventing the Steel. And my favorite album from my teenage years, which still is my favorite album of all time, Alice in Chains, Unplugged. All right. Oh, nice. Nothing to be ashamed of there. It wasn't so hard, now, was it? No, it wasn't. But it is clear how much work George has done on you over the years. But that's stated, dude, there's no shame there. I mean, if it had been pre-teens, mine would have been all Kiss records and stuff, dude. I mean, that's what I just-

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His favorite band was Flaw.

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Was he wearing a dress?

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I'm sorry.

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Fatal Flaw.

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Southern Trendkill almost made my list.

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Southern Trendkill, really?

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Yeah.

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I don't know why I latched onto that one.

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I would have thought your brother would have possibly given you Far Beyond or something?

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Listen to the bull, dude.

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Far Beyond.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

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I want to listen to this.

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I think that's a good point, Duke.

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First of all, I think I leapfrogged that via my brother.

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That's what this is about.

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Also, it sounds to me like you're maybe about the same age as Zach here, and you didn't have the benefit of an older brother.

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I am the older brother.

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God, then you must have really fucked your brother up, dude.

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I had also the combination where I'm going to not toot my own horn, but you guys can tell I'm a chatty Cathy. I can be friends with anybody. I was extremely popular. I have been my whole life, but none of my friends, the circles I ran with, weren't metalheads. If we were going up on my mom's record collection, dude, I would have been all Neil Diamond and Grease. If this list was like my car with my parents, it would have been the Eagles, Elton John,

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Bon Jovi, Billy Joel. We'll do that list next time. We'll do like a pre, you know. I've been trying to do a non-metal list and he won't do it. It's slippery when wet. Because guys, we can't do that list because Goodbye Yellow Brick Road can't be one through ten, boys. All right. So, well, I'll make you feel better with my list. I'll make you feel worse and better at the same time.

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I'm definitely a child of the 80s.

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I'm sorry. I'm so sorry to interrupt you.

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Guys, I see the time here. It's 545 on the East Coast.

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How are you guys looking on time?

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I don't know. Are we even going to do anything?

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No, I'm free.

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Yeah, we're done.

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I feel sick. We were going to try to track some drones, but we're good.

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Okay.

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I'll track some drones. See? We're getting a little hints.

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So what were we talking about?

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Thanks for spending so much time with us, guys.

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Yeah, no, this is fine, you guys.

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Yeah, just like Jay said, I'll echo that.

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Thanks for spending your Sunday with us. I'm sure you guys will be with your family or something. This is a blast. Yeah, seriously. All the good football is over. I hate the Green Bay Packers. Then you'll be happy. They're getting stomped. Don't worry. You're enjoying the score. Trust me. They're getting freaking thumped. Are they really? I'm going to actually get the highlight right now. It was like 37-7 a minute ago. Really? 37-15 right now. My second favorite team is whoever's playing the Green Bay Packers.

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All right. So my list, I went over the allotted 10. Okay, so this is supposed to be for teen years. And by the time I hit 13, I just discovered metal. And that was pretty much it for there on out. I've listened to things that aren't metal since then and plenty of things that aren't metal. But influential, my teen years were metal. However, I wanted to throw in a couple from my preteen years just to show you that I was not born metal.

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My very first album I ever bought, which was huge for me, was Styx, Kilroy was here. My second album that blew my mind and blew a generation's mind, Michael Jackson's Thriller. Yeah, Michael Jackson almost made one of this. Yeah. You know what, it really is a good record. Oh, it is an amazing record. I hear Billie Jean on the radio now and I do not turn the channel. No, man, I turn that shit out. It's good. Probably the first rock album that I heard that a friend let me borrow that got me into music and jazz.

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was John Cooter's American Fool. I just loved the shit of that. At the same time, he also gave me J. Giles' band Freeze Frame. Yes! That was my first ever album I bought ever on cassette. Yeah, those were my first two that I ever listened to. Outside of oldies that my parents played. I was like, yeah, rock and roll! J. Giles, yeah. It's awesome. I love that record. My dad loved that record. J. Giles' record. That's good.

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The Teens, these were the albums that just blew my mind and were iconic to me. And in alphabetical order, Anthrax is Among the Living, which, you know. I would have freaked out if it was alphabetical order and you started with ZZ Top. I was going to be like, where's he going to go from here? Cytophone? Oh, wait, that's an X, not a Z. Never mind. No, no, the band spells it with a Z. Yeah, Zebra. Next up, Dio's Sacred

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Good Heart. Obviously, there were two very popular albums before that one, but this was the first one that I went out and bought, and it has always been my favorite Dio album, even though other people slag on it a bit. One of the greatest thrash albums of all time, Exodus's Bonded by Blood. Killer. Paul Bailoff is one album, and it's a classic. Fate's Warning, Awaken the Guardian, which would eventually spawn prog metal. Killer, killer album.

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My very first Iron Maiden album was Power Slave, and boy, did that make an impression. Best one. The best one. See, that's why we like these. Yep. And at the same time, I also discovered Judas Priest and Defenders of the Faith, Will. Nice. Also my favorite. One that didn't make anyone else's list, Manowar, Fighting the World. Oh, shit. Manowar were huge with me, and that was the album that started it all for me.

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The North Star always guides me. Sorry. Carry on. And who's the, isn't, who is it on Defender? Who's the, is it Citizen Kane guy? Yeah, yeah. What the hell's his name? I remember. That's terrible. Citizen Kane. Who's the guy that made the movie Citizen Kane? Also, it was in the, okay, sorry. John Lipskow. Let's just go with that. Fuck it.

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That's good. I'll get it, George. Keep going. I was Googling it. Orson Welles. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. Have you seen that outtake that you can do in the wine commercial anyway? That was it, yeah. That's it. What is it? We were selling the wine before. Yeah, we were selling the wine, yeah. Next up is the self-titled Metal Church album. That album blew my mind when I heard that. And that came out, you know, around the same time that I heard this next band, a little bit before I heard it.

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I heard this next band, and that would be Metallica's Master of Puppets, which of course was the complete and total game-changing album. I'd heard Ride the Lightning, and I liked it, but this album, wow. That's three of us who said Master of Puppets was the game-changing album. Yeah. I think Zach, you said that too, Israel. Well, right? I'd call it like one of the great, I would call it probably the greatest novel, but it's not one of my most influential, strangely. And I have to say a point. The thing that makes me jealous every time you guys do these lists is being, you know, like 10 years younger than you.

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you guys got to live this metal rise. You know what? When Number of the Beast, then Peace of Mind, then Power Sleeve came out, it was just as cool as you think it was. I'm not joking. You were like, no fucking way. Actually, it set us up for disappointment for the rest of our lives, dude. Because, you know, the only maiden talk we get to have is book, huh? That's pretty good.

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I got lucky.

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I had a friend whose big brother turned me on to Ride the Lightning. And for me, that was the one where it was like, I'm going to listen to this band forever. And then, of course, the Black Album, you know, whatever. You know, the surprising thing so far, going through five lists, especially with your guys' age, surprised GNR hasn't made it on anybody's list. It was very close. It was on my list. Almost forever. It was on my list. And then I realized that in the grand scheme,

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the things when I was looking at the release dates of all this stuff, like G&R was between Metallica, Slayer, Maker Rigger Mortis, and it's like, it was there. I loved it. It was influential, but as far as metal goes, I liked it, but it was sort of like, it almost took me back, like, oh, rock can still be cool, but I still love metal.

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Well, that's almost the exact reason I was going to put it on my list, was because I was so much of a metalhead that I was kind of like a bravado metalhead, so I was like, oh, that's gay, you know what I mean, whatever it was, Striper or something that was like this ridiculous,

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But when that record came out, that it was good, that I liked it, and I so visibly liked it, and didn't care what anybody thought, I almost put it on my list for that reason alone. I was like, holy fucking shit. It was big, man. You're right. Growing up in that era, anyone who had any taste in music actually could... There were a lot of records that those people ignored, like Master of Puppets or whatever, because it wasn't mainstream enough. Everyone liked GNR.

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I did not a fan believe it or not I dig Paradise City and a couple other teams but never really got into it wasn't my thing but then our guitar player loves guns and arinks well I have to be specific that's the only one I like for what it's worth I thought they just off the rails after that yeah for sure I think the user records are just not good George you did this all during your list that's all right sorry I've got two more okay one of them people are going to give me the

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I don't give any stink eye over this one, but Ozzy Osbourne's Bark at the Moon.

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I'm not giving any stink eye.

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Well, you know.

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It's not Diary of Mad Men.

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It was the first record after Randy, but it's irrespective.

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And I'm the first one to admit that Diary of Mad Men and even Blizzard of Oz are probably better albums.

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Well, no probably about it.

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But this was the first one I bought on cassette.

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There you go.

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And I played the shit out of it.

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Were the previous ones on 8-track?

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No, I just didn't have them yet. No, those are mine, Will. Because I went out there, I'm looking at them, and I'm like, man, that dude's a werewolf. That's fucking cool. And so I bought that instead of the other two. It's the first one you heard, dude. That's what matters. The last album, Will or Jake, can you think of who this might be? I haven't said yet that from the 80s it's completely massive and not on my list. A massive band isn't a huge band.

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I'm specifically asking you guys because you are big fans. Slayer or Iron Maiden? Well, Iron Maiden was, but it's Slayer. Rain and Blood. Oh, Rain and Blood. Okay. When that came out, it was also the first one I could find in the store. In Ann Arbor, Michigan, the first couple albums were not exactly available. It was like a mail order only kind of thing. But when Rain and Blood came out, it was the first thing you could find in the store, and I snatched that up. And I was terrified by it. I was not

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I was raised particularly religious, but the first couple times I listened to it, I just kind of felt guilty. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying about. This is kind of dirty, and I don't know if I should listen to this. And then I was like, yeah, I should listen to this. I felt that way about Venom's black metal. On the back, it says, like, we spit at the virgin you worship and sit at Lord Satan's left hand and all this stuff. And I was like, I don't know if I should buy this. I mean, I was literally a little weird about it. And then King Diamond cured me of all of that. I can just picture George's parents yelling up to young George,

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George, what are you doing? Nothing, nothing. Yeah, that was the album that I would put on like full blast in my like little 80s, you know, stereo system when I was pissed off. I'd throw on Rain and Blood and just turn it up all the way and slam the door. When do you hear your parents ask you what you're listening to? And it's so bad. Like, oh, mom, mom, nothing. I'm just jerking off. I'm just jerking off. Don't come in my room. I'll just jerk it off. All right. Well, those are our lists. Thank you all.

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participating. We're going to move on to another type of list. But can I just say to you, I feel like we just learned, for people who are listening out there, if you want to create a chemist record, they just gave you the ingredients. Now you have their list. I'll give you the ingredients for Album. We're not going to tell you how long to bake it. Album. Thin Lizzy, Black Rose, Merciful Fate, Don't Break the Oath, probably Anathema, Angelic, and what's going to be the last element here? Maybe a Sabbath thing?

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I think you should throw some Sabbath in there. No offense. I mean, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe we could do Masters of Reality. There you go. That's how you get a chemist record. And that's also how we mislead the public. I really should have put Don't Break the Oath on my list because that was also very influential to me. First time I heard it, and Metallica at the same time, was a friend of mine gave me a dubbed cassette, and it was one of the long 120 minutes or whatever.

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And on one side was Ride the Lightning, the other side was Don't Break the Oath. And that was the first time I heard both those bands. Oh, man. Don't Break the Oath. I remember hearing Merciful Fate for the first time, and I was like, I don't get this at all. So when I was younger, I was like, no, I wanted to listen to something that was hard. I was listening to Left Hand Path. And I was like, man, it sounds like shit. And then a couple of years later, I was just like, holy shit, what was I missing here, man? It clicked with me, and then it was on. It was all over after that. All right.

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Hey, we got our buddy Nate from Spirit Adrift had a question for us. How did he know we were doing this? They put a tweet like, if you have questions, send them home. We have a question for you guys? I don't know. Nate from Spirit Adrift asked it. It's one of your friends? Well, Spirit, yeah. He happens to be a friend, but also in a really cool band. Can I ask you that? Is the question this? Where's my fucking 20 bucks?

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What is our favorite flavor of kombucha? Our favorite flavor of kombucha. Coming in from Spirit Drift, you're guys' friends, and you said an awesome doom band from Phoenix. What is your favorite flavor of kombucha? Whitwim and ginger for me. I've actually never had kombucha.

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He's also in one of the bands that I enjoy, or at least he was, Take Over and Destroy. Yeah, yeah, he's not anymore. He's not anymore. Yeah, I thought maybe he left when he was doing this. Yep, yep. He plays guitar in Gate Creeper as well. Yeah, we know Gate Creeper. Oh, I like Gate Creeper a lot. Aren't you guys playing a festival in Vegas next year with them, or this year? Yeah, we're playing Psycho. Yeah. Is Gate Creeper out? Yeah, Gate Creeper's on it. Yep. And some other little bands like Neuro.

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That's right, King Diamond. That's right, yeah. All right, so moving on, what are we listening to lately?

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We're going to take the same rod as we did with the lists. We'll start with Dan and Zach and then our usual paths. So what have you been listening to lately? Like I said before, I usually just listen to Zach's top ten list. But I'm still listening. I'm kind of a slow mover. I don't listen to... I don't stick with shit for a while.

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So I'm kind of still listening to a lot of the 2016 stuff. Vector, we talked about. The Inner Armor record, I really enjoy it. Can't really get enough of the Nick K record. It's special. I really can't stop listening to it. I've been listening to the Wonder Coen record more. Oh, so good. Goddamn, dude. I don't know that there was ever a clearer prediction of death.

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It's really good. And it's kind of comforting in a way. It is. I heard after the fact that he had cancer, which I don't know if that's true or not, so that the prediction itself was... He knew he was going to die. Well, we talked about it the week before. We talked about it on the pod. Who is this? Leonard Cohen. We had just talked about it on the pod, and we were worried that we killed him because we were like, he said in an interview, it's like, I don't think about Ron much longer. And the next pod, we're like, he died yesterday. Yeah, he died the day we posted that pod. Oh, man.

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Did you have the good fortune to see one of those last tours he did by any chance? No, never saw it. I did and I will say to anybody, metal or otherwise, it may be the single greatest show I've ever seen. It was amazing. I believe it. It was like Frank Sinatra and Bob Dylan smashed into one body and it was just like, I walked out of there in awe. I see it. He just translates emotionally so well. Always has. All his records, I enjoy many, many of them. It's fucking words, man.

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By the way, the parallel would be the Bowie record. Yeah. Which is also great. We had to do some year-end lists, and that was on all of mine. I'm listening to Slowmatics more. Actually, I think maybe the podcast. Yeah. And the Spellcaster record. That's good. Hey, Dan, I don't know if you heard our year-end episode, but that made my list. That album was fantastic. Yeah, that's good. Yep.

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I know. I know. It was cool. Again, Zach is definitely my heavy metal or my channel to heavy music. What else do I have on here? Witchcraft. The new Witchcraft's record I've been listening to. I've been to read it. That was my number one album last year. I think Magnus Pelander. I'm going to try to get him on the pod. I have a metal crush on that fucker right now. Did you get the Pelander record at the time? He has an acoustic record that came out. I know the Pelander stuff as well.

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And I don't know. It's good. But I don't listen to it often. Didn't change your life. That said, Nucleus is fucked. This is the Metalheads podcast. Fuck you, Will. Well, hey, I hear Pelander is going to tour with Clutch Whale so we can go see him together. But yeah, I can't say enough about Witchcraft and that record is great. Good choice. This might have been listening to you lately. How about you?

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Well, speaking of not metal, I'm about to bum everybody in. In December, I've always really liked Tom Waits. I love him too. I wasn't super familiar with, I was really familiar with probably a handful of his albums. So I started listening to, I worked my way through his whole discography from album one all the way up to 16 now. So I've been listening to a shitload of Tom Waits.

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And man, there's like, it's almost a spotless track record. It's insane how good that guy is. You know, it's nice. Uplifting makes you feel good. He's big in Japan. You know, I went to see the Book of Mormon here when it was doing the traveling show, the Matt Stone and Trey Parker thing. And he was, as I was walking out, he was in front of me and I was like, no way. He lives out here. He's my bucket list of haven't seen him yet in concert and I really want to see him.

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Two times ago that I was in Atlanta, I walked by a venue and he was on the board for like three days after I was leaving. I was like, God damn it. I don't know if he tours a lot now. No, he doesn't. No, very rarely now. Well, at this rate, because we talked about him, he's probably dead. He's dead. We'll be announcing it. That was the joke of a joke. We kill people. And also, I listen to a lot of Tom Waits when I start my brew day because it's a little bit more relaxing.

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The piano has been drinking. I mean. I've been listening to some old school death metal more. So Immolation Here and After. Been jamming that quite a bit lately. Titan Blood is a killer black death metal band from Spain. They just put out a new song. A Cursed Skin. So I've been listening to that. King Diamond Conspiracy.

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There's always some kind of King Diamond in rotation. The scene I was listening to in middle school. Yeah. And then two really not metal things. Waylon Jennings is a fixture for me. Dreaming My Dreams album I've been listening to quite a bit lately. And then Black Marble. It's immaterial. I love it, guys. I love it. See? That right there, that's called confidence. You fucking laid out there. Now Waylon's gonna die, though. Or Waylon's already dead. He is. Yeah, he's dead. All right.

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John, what are you listening to? We mentioned it already, Black Anvil, As Was. I'm really liking that album a lot right now. Please say it with an English accent for now, As Was. Black Anvil, As Was. As Was. Instrumental metal band called Alluvial, I think that's how you say it, The Deep Longing for Annihilation. You might be interested in these guys. One guy's from Black Crown Initiate and the other guy's from Conquering Dystopia, guitarist. So it's kind of cool. Send them to me on Spotify.

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George will probably correct me on this, but I'm not very good at speaking anything that's Icelandic. But the band's name is, I think, Drag Sol. That's close enough. That's what I'd say. Yeah, and then the album is Valoya, I think. Valoyaland, which is black metal. It's kind of cool. A band that I did not catch a few years ago that I've been listening to a lot lately is Sunset in the Twelfth House. Yes. Arctic Cascades. It's a killer instrumental

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with one song where they have death vocals, but the rest of the album is all instrumental. It's like the dude from Door Data. I don't know how to say it. Yeah. They're like Romanian or something. They're Romanian. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. And then another band I just got into, but they've been around for a while is Persephone and it's the album Spiritual Migration. Yeah. You told me to listen to that and it's pretty cool. Yeah. And they're the only band I know that I like that's from Andorra. So that's interesting.

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itself, I guess. One band in all of Andorra. No. There's two actual Japanese that are also in a band from Andorra. I thought the same exact thing. I said, this must be the only metal band from Andorra. You're talking about the little tiny country state inside of Spain, Andorra, right? Well, technically, in between Spain and France will. All right. Well, here we go. This is showing off how smart. No, no, no, no. That's what you're talking about, right? It's that disputed territory called Andorra.

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I don't think you realize, John, but it's a

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Commonwealth and I know there's a lot of people doing it.

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So you just tell your guys

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with their PhDs that there's a couple dudes

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with masters on this show.

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That's right.

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They guys got their geography.

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Yeah, that's fucked up.

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And now people say

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our podcast runs too long.

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You don't get this on the hour pod.

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No, because we're four or five years in.

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Exactly.

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Get more funny and more beers in. Look, you speak long enough and all kinds of shit's going to come up on the podcast. Wait till we go another hour and a couple more beers. This is like the million monkeys with a million typewriters kind of situation. Yeah, exactly. William, what are you listening to? Or were you done, John? What am I listening to? John, are you done? Yeah, I'm done. I'm good. Thank you. Okay, all right. I just have four. Pretty quick. Twisted Sister, stay hungry. I don't know what.

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That should have been on my list. Yeah. That was wildly influential for me. Right. Exactly. And what I realized is this came out when I was like 10. So I couldn't put it on my list. And that's exactly this album is exactly why I emailed you and said, so are we looking from like 10 to 19? Well, see, now like 13, 19. Well, it doesn't have to have been released when you were a teen. It just influenced you when you were a teen. So you could have listened to the first Black Sabbath album at 13. And that would have been fair.

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Well, all right. So this influenced me when I was like 10 or whatever, whatever I was. But anyway, so but then I realized I didn't actually own it. I was I was listening on Spotify a couple months ago. I was like, I need to buy this out. So I bought it. iTunes. So Twisted Sister, Stay Hungry. Next one, obviously creator gods of violence. I've been spinning that a lot lately. One thing I absolutely hate about when we get stuff in the Dropbox or if I upload stuff from

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from Bandcamp to iTunes is that iTunes has this thing and it works. They will always say like, hey, these two songs did not upload to iTunes and you can't listen to them on your iPod and it just drives me insane and it forces you to just buy stuff on iTunes and I hate it. Especially since you can't buy that one yet. Exactly. So if I'm playing around, I'm going to use them. You know, there's other ways to add things to, is it a phone or an iPod?

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It's the iTouch, which I hate. I effing hate this thing. Yeah, I'll be able to use an app. I don't have that problem in any of my devices. But if I'm in my car, where I listen to music mostly is in my car driving back and forth to work, I have to have a Wi-Fi to get those extra songs. Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who cares? You know who doesn't have this problem, John? TR. You know what? I don't have this problem either because I'm not part of the

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I don't use iTunes because it's a piece of shit. It is. My third album, Obituary Cause of Death, because I'm working on my latest Brewheads column, which features the three Floyds beer hopped in half. You know what? I see. Maybe you should do a Brewhead sitting down with Zach, maybe. Some good titles. You know what? If Dan and Zach, if you guys aren't familiar, will.

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on the podcast, he sits down and really does an excellent job writing reviews for heavy metal beers. Historically, they are some of the most visited content on our site, which is pretty much the episodes and that. Yeah, sounds great. I'd love to do that. Let's bring you some beer, too. We're bringing beer to all you guys. We can co-review things. I just want to get to hear.

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And you know what really for we could meet you guys in Philly and you can ask me like god these guys suck in person

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Oh yeah that's right we'll see you in Philly and Jay we'll see you in Philly

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Yeah actually yeah

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I'll see you guys in Philly but uh and my last one is obviously preparing for this episode I've been listening to a metric fuckton of chemists

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uh so I have both the albums so I've been I was literally in it was just playing throughout the the the house all day today my kids were listening to it

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it. My wife was hearing it. I don't know if she was listening to it. Your wife was

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subconsciously putting that in her checkmark book against you.

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Yes. That's right. The long checkmark book.

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Yes. Exactly. So yeah, that's what I've been listening to lately.

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Jay? Not unlike Will, I like to honor

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our guests by making sure that I'm listening to their stuff, but that's not hard with these fellas.

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And especially since Chemist was Bukes number one last year. And I didn't listen to it as much as I should have. And so I've been listening to a lot. Got it on vinyl. I'm totally fucked. It's great. It is. It's an addictive record. Also whipped out recently Bell Witch, the four phantoms on vinyl again. Haven't listened to that in a while. It was your number one last year, right? It was. And I ended up listening to it like five times this weekend. The whole of the witchcraft discography, because I'm still freaked out on them.

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A band I discovered on Bandcamp recently called Baltimore minus the E for you East Coast fellas and record called E-Post. I think they're from Sweden or something. Sweden or Finland. Maybe Finland. Cool thrashy shouty vocals. That's a terrible description but it's pretty good stuff. Really good players. I like it. I am also listening to a band I discovered called Texas Massacre which is sort of a quick fast I would call them almost a crossover punk band metal band and they do songs just about the Texas

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Chainsaw Massacre.

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That's going to get old eventually.

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But it's good.

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It's a good stuff.

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Jay, I got to interrupt.

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What was great about that album is you sent it to me.

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You're like, hey, this is right up your album.

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You're right.

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I downloaded it on Bandcamp.

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I listened to it.

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I'm like, it was like five minutes later.

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I'm like, it's over?

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It's over.

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All the songs are like two minutes long.

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It's done.

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It's so fast.

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It's like five songs, a minute and a half long, and it's like done.

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I'm like, whoa, whoa.

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What happened?

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It's like a 12-minute record.

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Witch Reef still listening to.

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John Vujolet can listen to that on his way to work. That's right. Twice. Twice. And then I am also spinning the Creator record. I think they put together pretty good records. So I've probably listened to that four or five times. That's what we're rolling over here, boys. That and a combination of everything I have been listening to over the last six months. Sweet. Okay. I was trying to find a little prop that I had to let you know. First off, this is a visual podcast. Of course it's not. But I've been listening to Chemist.

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from the Vitus show that my friend Chris Voss from Nine Circles purchased for me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, right on, dude.

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So, Chris, thank you for grabbing the shirt for me at the show because it sold out and I couldn't get up there.

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But I was going to drive to four hours from D.C. to you guys.

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But Nick, a metal Nick, he's a concert photographer.

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He's filmed a bunch of shows, worked with Metal Injunction for Injection for a while.

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He introduced me to a band when we hung out last weekend. A kind of hardcore noise band that just broke up called Weekend Nachos. I've been spinning a little bit. Awesome. They're amazing. We went and saw their last show in Denver. When we were in Chicago, which is their hometown, they're from Chicago, they played one of the first, they played two shows, their last shows ever, and they played across from us in Chicago. Which is a bummer in multiple ways. A, we would have gone.

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Yeah. You know, because they're really real live. If you haven't seen it, well, you won't ever. Yeah, you won't. But they were great live and really great bands. I'm glad you dig them. And yeah, we did not get to see them. And luckily, we were fortunate to draw the crowd we did. Thank God they played on Saturday, too. That's all I'm saying. I was totally unaware of these guys. But Nick is a huge, when I say huge vinyl collector, guys, like we all are.

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He is the vinyl guy where any color he's buying, any variant he is buying. Well, when I was looking at his collection, he was like, what's your, I think one was, what's your most unique vinyl? He actually has the Weekend Nacho, Nacho shaped. Yes. So at first, you know, you hear the name Weekend Nachos and you think, is this like a, yeah, like a spoof funny band or something like that? But oh no, you could not be further from the truth.

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I started with their album Worthless. I don't know what you guys' favorite is, but that's what I started with. That's the only one I have on vinyl, but they're all pretty much monsters. Yeah. I was listening to that. Jay, I have gone back and listened to The Witchery. It's good. It actually is really good. And lastly, what else I've been listening to is an album that just came out by The Drip. Yeah. It's the name of the band. Cool.

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It's just the drip, not the drips like the guys from the Bronx. The drip. I think it's a reference to Comus, if you know Comus, which you, John and Buke should at least know them. And they had a song called Drip, Drip, Drip about basically a dead body. And these guys are like a grindcore. Why would you say so, Buke? Is that what you call them, grindcore? Yeah, definitely, definitely. You know, classic songs are a minute and a half. Pig Destroyer, Nails kind of stuff. Cool. It's good though. I like it too.

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right in the face. And again, I'm not saying this guy's to blow smoke, and I'll say it just like I started it. The New Chemist, your guys' new album's amazing, so I keep listening to that. Oh, man, thank you. I keep listening to it. Maybe if I listen to it enough, maybe when I do see you guys, maybe Above will be played first. Or maybe last. Or maybe last. We never finished that, but we had rehearsed it as a, you know, whatever, encore kind of thing. If people are still standing around, we'd make them

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I like that you guys don't travel with extra guitar strings.

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That's all we had.

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It was closing time.

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Yeah, it was like probably 30 seconds of the last song.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So, yeah, what the fuck?

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We're out of here.

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Yeah.

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The first couple of songs are so catchy. Why have you been choosing to roll with Candlelight over... Is there a reason for that? I think it's fun to play. It's heavy. The way it kicks in is just nice. The way it kicks in... Like I said, the... Heavy and groovy right from the start. It's nice to start the set with that. We like the groove of it. I've thought about it a couple times, but for this set, should we have done that?

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I don't know. And like, we let, you know, I don't know. That's okay. One last thing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for stepping on you. That was rude. No, that's okay, dude. On stage, you look like a monster. How tall are you? Me, Dan? Yeah. I'm 6'1". Okay. Compared to the other guys around you, you look like you're like 6'4". Yeah, no. Well, I wear boots and those guys, I don't know, you know, maybe they, I don't know, they eat like light. I don't know.

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I mean, Ben's taller too. Yeah, Ben's actually taller than me. Maybe you're just a bigger figure. Okay. It's just a bigger presence. I probably outweigh Ben by 50. He's full-figured. Okay. So I can always be sure that there's going to be larger chemist shirts in stock. Note to self, though, that you really want to hear above the water. So, yeah. We all love it.

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Rarely Catch Me on First Listen. That song on First Listen hooked me. I knew as soon as I heard that this album was going to be somewhere on my list and it was going to be somewhere high. That's cool. I got two cheesy insider facts or whatever tidbits about that song. One thing is we wanted to have our Helly in the Eye opening to an album.

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So it's that harmonic. Yeah, exactly. And so that was kind of... It didn't translate the same way, but that was some of the inspiration. And then the other little tie-in is the album leads off on a harmonized part, or like ends, Absolution ends on a harmonized guitar part in the Bereaved, and then we start album two on a harmonized part. Ah, little connectors. I like that. Ah, yeah. The number third little tidbit is we actually hate it now. Yeah.

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You know what I thought was really weird about this process because I don't know we never really I don't think any of us had really experienced it but I'm for above the water we're like we had a lot of stuff we had a handful of songs and we're like we need an album opener Yeah we wrote it as we wrote it very intentionally Yeah which is bizarre blew my fucking mind and then like we're doing this it was more you know it's kind of a march in the beginning I was like are you sure that's how you want to open an album and then I came back and like started listening to this you know I was just listening to music and I was like holy shit there's like trying to get

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So if you like that song also and you want a chance of possibly hearing it, you got the Oathbreaker Tour coming up, you got the Decibel Tour coming up, you got the Psycho Fest coming up, so maybe you'll hear it. And guys, please don't go into meetings over the next couple weeks in practices and say, you know what, guys, maybe we should change up the set list because shit's working well. So I'd like you guys to go in and say, you know what, maybe we should change something. No, no, no, we already planned on playing it at some point. Yeah, at some point this time next year, they're going to say, we're doing so well.

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What happened? Nobody cares anymore. Nobody listens. Something's just not clicking anymore. Okay, George. Go ahead, buddy. What do you listen to, brother? All right. First up, this is a side project for our friend Evan Knight from Pile of Priests. This is Astreus and Virtuous. Do you guys know Pile of Priests? You don't know them? They're a Denver band. I don't know them. We don't know them personally.

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But I know the band, yeah. Okay, yeah. They're cool. You should check them out. You know them. Anyway, or you know of them. Right, yeah, yeah. Just personally. Yeah. It's weird. They're one of the few metal bands who, well, they're one of the few metal bands in town we don't know. Okay. I don't know where that is. They're anti-social places though. I don't think they play out as much now because they're, one of them lives in a different place. They were talking up true when they were on, like they hang out there. Shit, maybe it's tonight. Maybe it is. I don't know.

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I think they're playing soon. They're pretty busy. They're always burning piles of priests. So you may not catch up. But anyway, it's like a tech kind of thing. It's good. Next up is the self-titled Bantha Rider. It's a Star Wars themed instrumental. It's like sludgy stuff. Okay, the Black Anvil album. We already talked about that. The new Circle of Dust album.

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of our disgrace. I should preface this with, after our year-end episode, through the end of the year and into January, I tend to be really burned out on metal. And so this winter, I listen to a lot of stuff that isn't metal. A lot of electronic music, actually. Circle of Dust is heavy. It's sort of like a heavy industrial metal-ish kind of thing.

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And the dude, I can't remember his name, but he also has another project called Cell Dweller. And he hasn't done Circle of Dust in, I don't know, a long time, I think. So this was sort of a return album, and it's really awesome. So if you like anything with any sort of electronic industrial heaviness, Circle of Dust. The next one is also sort of a mix of electronic and heavy. This is a band called Neurotech. It's a one-man project. And he did these symphonies that he really did.

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as singles. Each of them was like a 12 to 18 minute song and they were released as singles over the last few years and he compiled them into the album Symphonies. It's really cool. The next two are ones that were recommended to me by our previous guest, Joel Violette of Throssenblatt. Joel Violetta. Violetta. Violetta. And the first one is Of the Wand and Moon, the album The Lone Descent.

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and Rome,

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two albums.

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I picked up the Coriolan and the Hyperion Machine.

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Very not metal,

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but very cool.

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Man,

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I haven't thought of either one of those projects,

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bands or whatever in a long time,

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but yeah,

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I really like Rome and a wand of moon is cool as well.

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Excellent.

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But yeah,

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Rome is great,

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man.

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So good.

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Yeah.

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It blew me away.

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I was like,

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what?

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Yeah.

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I also picked up when John bought it the Sunset in the 12th House Mosaic. And then another industrial metal album called This Be The Verse. And it's the self-titled album. I'd never heard them before. I think it's a dude. One Man Project again. And it mixes electronic, hardcore, and metal, I'd say. Nice. And then the last three, I'm just throwing them all together. They're straight up

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like 80s horror movie themed electronic music. Dynatron,

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the Neo-Satanic Acid Cult, and Terror-Tron. Nice. That's great. Neo-Satanic Acid Cult. That's a good one. I used to listen to this band called Velvet Acid Christ. Yeah, I remember that. In the 90s. Yeah. Anyway. What was the other one? Hey, George, I have to say that I was, you know,

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I obviously follow you on Bandcamp, but I was looking at a lot of your recent purchases after the year-end episode. Going, what the fuck? I was getting a little worried. I was like, what? I click on, like, hey, what is this? What is George buying? I'm like, what? Wow, what a sport is this? Holy shit. George got hacked. Yeah, exactly. George got hacked. I needed some palate cleanser. Yeah, man, you got to try different corpses on for size every once in a while. There you go. Exactly.

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All right, let's do our personal recommendation album. And we're going to start with Dan. What can you recommend? Did I get to this part in the script? Don't worry about it. Just give one album if you could recommend.

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I think that was the name of

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Like I said, they were amazing live. I liked their previous album too, which it still had something. Clean, mental illness as mating ritual, baby teeth playing poor. Clean is the one that was before that I really liked. That album had more of like a Jesus lizard vibe to it that I really enjoyed. I don't know, man. I don't know how to put it, but great record and super cool band and awesome live. So if you want to get your face fucking torn off, go seahorse.

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But don't tell your wife that's where you're going. I'm going to go see whores. I'm going to see some whores. Awesome. All right. Zach? I got two, but I'll sneak them in real quick. The first one, I just want to draw attention to you, Spirit Adrift, Chain to Oblivion. Good album. It's really good. And I don't think it's gotten some praise, but I don't think enough. So I just wanted to point that one out. And I think it pays off with repeated listening.

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It's a record of catharsis, and when you listen to it, I think you can pick up on that. And then on the death metal side of things, one I'm not seeing getting much mention at all, but one that I loved is a band called Interment, Scent of the Buried. I think Mark was really into that one. Yeah, great. Kind of like Swedish-style death metal, but really good playing. I mean, just like killer fucking drumming. You're right in this, Don Buke. You're basically describing

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You can't. Give me this name again. Interment. Scent of the Buried. Yeah. It's got a white album cover, doesn't it? Yep. Yep. Really snuck in there. It's great. Excellent. I just heard a sample. Yeah, this is me all the way. Yeah. All right. John. All right. Hopefully I won't cough here. I kept my personal recommendation to Deep Track with the Influential albums.

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Maybe not influential at the time, but an album from that period.

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But from Chicago, one of the kind of first 80s doom bands.

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And it's the first titled album, or first titled, or self-titled album, which got changed later on.

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That's Trouble, the first one, Psalm 9, which is actually Trouble, but they changed it when they released an album called Trouble.

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So it's their first album, Psalm 9.

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I think it's an unbelievable album.

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And if you don't know anything about early Doom from the 80s, you should start there with them and St. Vitus and stuff like that.

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Yep.

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John, I'll just interrupt you for two seconds.

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Hey, Zach, did you know that the drummer for Trouble is a Brewer Allagash?

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Yeah, actually, Nick and I were talking about that recently.

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And I hadn't realized that before, and it totally blew my mind.

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Those guys were, well, one of them was at our Chicago show.

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Lothar, yeah.

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Lothar, yeah.

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But yeah, I didn't realize that there was a Trouble-Allagash connection, and that's so fucking cool. Jeff Holy Olson. Yeah, Jeff, the drummer. He had to drop off. He's no longer in the skull or Trouble-Allagash. I think he's got to take a bigger role at Allagash. So don't let that happen to you. Do not let True overcome Chemist, okay? That's a concern of ours on the podcast, who loves Chemist. All right.

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We played with Skull and St. Vitus back-to-back in Arizona. Oh, that must have been awesome. Yeah, we were just coming out. And then Lothar from Skull, he's like, hey, sign this record for my girlfriend. I was going to sign my kids. Yes, you're like, oh, fuck yeah. That's really cool. And then he came to the show and they're amazing people. Great bands. That's awesome. We love them.

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Why we just mentioned breweries. Do you guys know Black Sky? Because the guys from Pile of Priests, they hang out at Black Sky Brewery. Yeah, for sure, man. They're like, man, maybe half a mile away from us. They're real close by. They're real close. And they help put on a festival that we've been doing here in Denver for four maybe years now. Yeah. Called Denver Black Sky. Cool. And we've had Weekend Nachos twice. Yep. We've played it twice. Twice.

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It's great. Primitive Man, Municipal Waste. I mean, I can't even tell. Relapse is actually part of it, so they've had their bands there. So yeah, we know Black Shark for sure. We're in the wrong city for metal. It's literally ridiculous. It's actually a legit fest. It's kind of like tapering down as the years go on, but this year was as legit. Not that Maryland doesn't have Maryland Death Fest or anything, but hell. We don't either now.

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Oh, George. That's just small now. Who's next? Who's next? Personal recommendations, Bill. Freedom Hawk, Sunlight. Oh, yeah. Weirdly enough. I got the first one. It just came out. Yeah, what's weird is I'm perusing through Bandcamp and iTunes and stuff and I see Freedom Hawk. Oh, I've heard that name before. Let me check it out. This album called Sunlight, which in

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It came up as just a new release this last week. I checked and I looked further and it was actually released in 2008. I guess it was something like remastered or re-released nine years later in 2017. But wow, if you want to talk about Black Sabbath worship and if you want to talk about somebody whose vocals is the closest thing I've ever heard to sounding like Ozzy Osbourne, check out Freedom Hawk. It is great. I dig it. I love it.

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I think they're from the Virginia Beach area. Virginia, yeah, for sure. Yep. Yeah. So they said from the Outer Banks or something of Virginia or the, the, um, something, the islands. I thought they were from, from North, uh, Norfolk or as they, I don't know how they say in Virginia, like nothing or some bullshit, but anyway, yeah. As, as a Marine, I was stationed at not fuck. There you go. Um, three years. I actually have the first one, Will, and I've had it for a while, but are you seeing this new one?

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is just that one released with a new title? No, because I was confused by this. So Freedom Hawk, when you look at iTunes this week for new releases, Sunlight comes up. If you look on their webpage or look back at discographies or whatever, it was actually released in 2008 and somehow it was released again nine years later. But anyway, phenomenal Doom Metal. And what struck me is this guy actually is, you know,

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When you hear about all these bands that are all Black Sabbath worship type of doom bands, this guy actually sounds like Ozzy. That's what stuck out to me. It was really interesting. I'm definitely digging it, so check it out. Cool. I'll pick it up. I have the first self-titled one. Mine is something I think I must mention this many times. I can't remember what we've done in the past, but I have mentioned Bruce Dickinson's Chemical Wedding record in the past, one of the best metal

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records of the 90s. And I don't remember if I've suggested this one, but if people don't have it, they really should. And it's Bruce Dickinson, Accident of Birth. This was when Bruce, he kind of got experimental, if you want to say, or any number of things for a while. And then he got with Roy Z and made these two consecutive amazing heavy metal records. Really, still, I still listen to them both. They were better than what Iron Maiden was doing at the time by a long shot. So Accident of Birth, highly recommended. And one of my vinyl Holy Grails, I can never find it. It's like 150 bucks consistently on Discogs.

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Yeah, it is. It's a great record, though. I've noticed it's on your want list, too, George. Yeah. Buke. An album that just didn't have room for my list last year for your death metal fans. I've mentioned it before, but now the personal recommendation, I'm telling you right now, again, Blood Red Throne and their album Union of Flesh and Machine was a great, great death metal album that came out last year, earlier in the year, so I think it kind of got forgotten by some. And another,

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A female-fronted kind of classic doom band. The album came out last year, and it was wonderful. Savage Master with Whips and Chains. Spank Band. Oh, hey, Buke, I noticed King Woman has a new record coming out, too. Yep. All right. My personal recommendation is one that somehow managed to not make my list last year, but it should have. It's a band called Heavenoid, and their album The Tarot of the Bohemians. Did you say Morningwood?

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No. Heaven would. It's good. Check it out. Let's move on to vinyl or other purchases. We know you guys like vinyl. What have you picked up lately? I've been on kind of a cold spell. I bought that Horrors record at the show that I told you

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I just bought a record by a local band called Pueblo Escobar.

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Oh, that's awesome.

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Yeah, kind of weird.

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I don't know how you describe it.

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It's a little bit psyche and noisy and...

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Noise rock?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the guy, the singer was in a band called Get Some, which had a little moment of notoriety.

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And more importantly, in a band that I really loved in Denver that never got its due was called Kingdom of Magic.

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That was a doom band and they were great. But anyway, those are the last two that I picked up. Well, and the Leonard Cohen record was probably one of my last orders. I got the vinyl for that. Yeah, I got that on vinyl and it sounds great. Excellent. Zach? I got a handful. Anacon, Exegesis. It's a great black metal style band. Tom Gilead. Lev from

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Leve from, oh my god, Crallus plays drums in this band, and it's kind of like a dumbed-down version of that band in a way where some of the riffs are more straightforward. It's a little bit less technical, and for me, that's great. Blood Incantations, Mini LP, Interdimensional Extinction, I've had Starspawn so I wanted to pick up this. Wait, was this before Starspawn? Yeah, it was

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It was a release before Starspawn. Isn't it like their first two demos? Yeah, it's the stuff before Starspawn. Yeah, it's like two releases they put into one, I think. It's legitimate interest, Zach, because that made a lot of our list last year. Starspawn. Yeah, so I got that from one of the guys in the band, and it's great. Insomnium Winter's Gate. Yes.

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And it's cool to have the record because it comes with a story, the full short story that the album's based on. So it's really cool to be able to read that, listen to the album, check out the lyrics. It's a cool experience. Yeah, it's a cool vinyl experience. And then Titan Bloated, Kerskin, I mentioned earlier. And then this guy from New Zealand called Marlon Williams, which is a great singer-songwriter type stuff. And he's got a really cool haunting voice.

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So if you're into that at all. Probably. Yeah. He's a young guy. Yeah. It's almost like it's almost like traditional American folk music, but filtered through this different, you know, life experience or whatever. Yeah. I'll check it out. It's good. Yeah. All right. John. All right. I only have one had the album for years, but finally got the vinyl and that's Allison changed dirt. Nice.

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That's part of that music on vinyl release that they're doing for a lot of bands right now. That is a gift at Christmas. That's all I've gotten. That's awesome. Will, we know you don't do vinyl. I don't do vinyl. Maybe Dan can sympathize with me a little bit. I have a six-year-old and a three-year-old and there's no way I'm having a record player or records in my house at this point. I have a lot of records. They're all

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put it all in a box of a high shelf. Yeah, exactly. My kid's eight, so she is very respectful. And one of the first things I taught her to do as soon as she could write and she had motor skills was how to put a needle on a record. I like her to use the arm. I'm doing this. I like her to use the little arm lever just in case she skipped one across

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an Aretha Franklin record that I was really bummed about. But, you know, yeah. She's really respectable. I like that. You're like, I'm going to teach her to drive a stick just in case that's what she does. Just in case you ever can own a Porsche, that's what I do. Chemist is getting so big, honey, you're going to have a Porsche one day. I'll be driving my 98 GMC Sierra, but you might have a Porsche.

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I appreciate that as a father. So my digital downloads that I have, I think this is the first thing that I think Jay sent me from all the way from Ireland, Scafna Deeth. Oh yeah. Pledge nothing but flesh. Definitely digging this. Another one Jay sent me, which is Texas Massacre self-titled album. I think the whole thing is like six minutes long.

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I think it's 17 songs that are six minutes long the whole album no that's it's good I

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instantly grabbed me I like it something that George sent me being the incredible Star Wars fan and nerd that I am the Bantha Rider out since self-titled album these guys are from Poland it's completely instrumental but it is it's good it's straight-up good stoner doom and then one of the things that John Tardy

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from obituary recommended during the email interview i did with him he uh recommended dustbolt

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album mass confusion i think this this is a thrash band old school thrash band out of uh

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germany dustbolt and dustbolt yeah yeah yeah i know that yeah uh so i like that i for some reason i

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didn't have paradise lost self-titled album so i got i picked that up i pre-ordered uh sleep's new

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Clarity, pre-ordered, Hark. Sorry, Will. I was talking to Zach and I should have muted it. Sorry. You can pre-order, but were you shocked that there was a pre-order for it? Yeah, I didn't know it was coming that soon. Do you guys know what the release date is of that sleep record? I mean, I can look it up. It's on Bandcamp, so I pre-ordered it on Bandcamp. April 20th? 420? Yeah, I'm guessing.

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Like three days before the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest. February 10th. So that's when they like. And so that when I. So because sleep is a little bit confusing because they have like Jerusalem and then they have Dope Smoker and it's like the same album but broken up two different ways. Like I went back and looked at my sleep discography and like I realized I didn't have volume one. So I bought volume one and then I bought obviously my personal recommendation Freedom Hawk.

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I bought one of the older albums, Into the Mind.

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And this is one I sent to Jay.

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And I think everyone in the podcast may like this one.

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A band called Rude.

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And I think they're from the Berkman, California area, Jay.

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So I don't know if you've heard of these guys or know these guys.

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They have a new album called Remnants.

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And this is straight up old school.

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Like, this sounds exactly like Chult Schultinger on a scream bloody gore.

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Yeah, I downloaded it, but I didn't notice where they were from.

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I'll look it up. I'm pretty sure they're from Berkeley. That would be a pretty controversial name, Rude, in Berkeley. Yeah, I mean, it's probably a bunch of women with hair and hair and hair. I'm rude. Like super hippie chicks, I don't know, from Berkeley. Sorry. We always rip on JV from Berkeley. I'm in Richmond now, baby. Living with Elbeck guys. Yeah, well, in case you don't know, Richmond's just, for those of us in the Bay Area, just a tad bit different than Berkeley.

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Yeah. Just a little different. I'm not back with the salt of the earth now, believe me. And then I got the I pre-ordered the new Immolation Atonement. And then when I realized I didn't have Immolation Dawn of Passion, I bought that. And then I got to support my buddy, Shannon Lucas. And I got the Serpentine Dominion, even though I had the pre- I had like the rough cuts for like the Studio Masters or something.

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something that Shannon sent me a long time ago. I have to say the actual album that was released it so if you don't know Serpentine Dominion it's it's George Corpse Griner Fisher from Cannibal Corpse it's Adam from Kill Switch Engage and it's um my buddy Shannon from formerly of Black Dile Murray of Battle Cross and um something else I forget but uh this is uh so it's kind of like Corpse Griner you got the death metal vocals but then you have Adam from Kill Switch

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Gage, he wants the clean vocals, and he's the one doing the clean vocals. I heard the first cut of this, it was way too much clean vocals, so the final version of this, a lot more Corpse Grinder, a lot less Adam, so I'm thinking a lot more. And then I went out and I got the Ronzi Pazuzu. And that's what I've been listening to. That's my vinyl purchases, i.e. digital downloads. All right. We haven't done this in a while, so

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We skipped it last episode. I got a little list here, but I'll just kind of read through it pretty quick. I got The Witchery in his Infernal Majesty's service on vinyl. I got it from Nuclear Blast Europe, I think. One of the reasons I've been listening to that Paul Bear EP is I just picked that up on vinyl. Buke, in Your Honor, I bought Sun, the black one. They did a bunch of re-releases recently. I picked up From Mars to Sirius, Gojira. We were all talking about how we couldn't find that in vinyl, and suddenly they were out there.

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a bunch of them. I picked up this box set, Ozzy Osbourne, Blizzard of Oz, Diablo Madman, 30th Anniversary, which I bought. I already had those, but I actually bought it primarily for the cool stuff in the package, which includes as much live footage of both of those tours as exists on a DVD. Hey, Jay? Yeah. Those DVDs or audio? DVDs. And then there's outtakes on audio CDs and the 180-gram

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of the album.

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And then a really bitchin' coffee table book,

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because I love that period so much.

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And then an Aussie gold necklace cross thing that's kind of cool.

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I picked up Witchcraft Firewood.

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That was a Christmas gift from Buke, actually.

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I picked up D.O., a decade of D.O. box set.

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It's the first six D.O. records on 180-gram reissue.

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Sorry, I'm going to keep going here.

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I picked up Death, The Sound of Perseverance, the relapse one,

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because all those re-releases I thought have been really good. I picked up, this was the thing that turned me into the Ozzy box set. The Ozzy box set has a CD of this, but I found a Record Store Day release on the shelf new at some random record store. It was Ozzy Live from the Blizzard of Oz tour, double album live. It's not the tribute record, but it's sort of that basically the same show. Almost done. Picked up Nine Inch Nails, The Downward Spiral, which I didn't have on vinyl, but very much wanted to have. Picked up all of the Dead Can Dance vinyl.

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Releases that came out recently. Good man. I have to interject. The one time I saw Did Can Dance live, it made me cry. I've seen it like five times. I flew to Seattle to see the first reunion show in America. I don't know these guys. I feel like I should. It's not world music, but I don't know if you'd like it, but you may try it out. I picked up... Okay, so that's Toward the Within, Within the Realm of Dying Sons,

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I picked up the eerie album on vinyl and last but not least I've been going through a Rocky Erickson phase and I picked up Gremlins Have Pictures I don't know if people know Rocky Erickson but he's a wicked fucking genius and that record in particular Gremlins Have Pictures is like this kind of weird mishmash of stuff pulled from different areas of his career and it's just this raw kick-ass hunt down the evil one I have the evil one but I have it on vinyl though but I just this one I just picked up on vinyl so that's that's I don't know man he's

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Rocky Erickson's incredible.

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There's a new...

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Some companies just put these out again.

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The evil one is one of them.

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The other one is Don't Slander Me.

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There's a really great Rocky Erickson documentary

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available on YouTube if you haven't seen it.

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You're going to miss me.

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He does a version of The Creature.

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These guys don't miss a beat.

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These guys know everything going on.

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I told you, dude.

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Anything that comes out of Zach's mouth

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that has some music,

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There's about a 90% of it.

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You want to talk about Colt, Texas guys.

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You got Rocky Aronson.

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Oh, yeah, that's true.

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I didn't even think about the Texas connection.

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But he's special.

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I mean, this guy has a voice like an angel,

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and his version of Lou Reed's heroin is just the greatest version

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you're ever going to hear in your life.

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Yeah, great record.

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That one, I like the evil one, and Grublins have pictures in particular.

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Jay, my question for you is, how do you eat, man?

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You spend all your money on it.

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I know.

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He doesn't have kids

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Well, first of all, I actually

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And on top of that, guys, he's also a vegan

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So, you know, he just

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He steps outside and he picks

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grass and stuff

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To be fair

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That's it

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Dan just said it, Jake goes outside and

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grazes

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He doesn't have a lawnmower

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We have a deal in my house

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And also, we usually do that

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every episode. So that was about two months worth of records. But I did buy a lot of fucking records. And two of them were box sets, no less. So, yeah. But also, we just moved into a new apartment. And I've got them all out on these shelves now. They're beautiful. So, anyway. Jay dumpster dives for food that places throw out. You know, Jay just keeps the safe open. Too bad no one throws out vinyl anymore. Yeah. This is still good. What do you got, Buke? One thing, real quick.

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Yeah, I got it right after Christmas. The chemists, the hunted, awesome blue, red, magenta splatter. It's gorgeous. The packaging is so, I just, the artwork alone, I could frame that and hang it up. It's, again, we talked about it earlier. And Jay, my gracious friend, surprised me right around time for my birthday in early January. And Jay mentioned it, but the D.O., a decade of D.O. That's cool. Yeah. Has Holy Diver, Last in Line, Sacred Heart, Dream Evil, Lock Up the Wolves and Strange Highways on it. Exactly.

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Would you say the name of the artist who does all your artwork, including the chemist artwork? Sam Turner. He does all true and all the chemist stuff? He's done almost all the chemist stuff. Not quite all of it, but he's done all the true stuff. Yeah. Okay. Don't ask him to do stuff for you. He's locked up. He's there. He's got a real popular band that's using his stuff well. I was going to start. George. Yeah, it's been a slow start. It's been a slow start for me this year.

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I've only got two. Like Jay, I got the Gojira from Mars to Sirius, and I got, this was just reissued as well, the Catatonia, the Great Cold Distance. Yes, I love Catatonia. They'll be touring the States here pretty quick. Yeah, in fact, I just threw that vinyl on right before we started. All right, we've got one more go-round, and this is for Deep Tracks.

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by ACDC. That's a great one. Okay. Oh, I love that one. Great song, not a hit, and they got lots of them. Yeah. And Axl Rose does a passable version of it. Does he? Yeah. Zach just took a break, so maybe you can come back to him. I don't know if he did it. Yeah, we'll roll him back in. Yeah. Sure. So let's go to you, John, and then we'll come back to Zach. Cool. Like I said, I stuck to that period that we were talking about for our big list earlier, and it's a band that I have a love-hate relationship because all their hits,

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I'm kind of sick of. I hate when they dick around on stage and fuck up all the time. But when they decide to play hard rock and some metal, they're unbelievably badass. And this is the band Van Halen. Huh? Metallica? Yeah, no. This is Van Halen. Because they dick around way too much on stage. But when they want to be heavy, when they want to play hard rock, they're pretty badass. And this is a song Romeo Delight off the Women and Children First. Probably their heaviest song outside of maybe Main Street.

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Just a killer song. Mean Streets being probably my favorite Van Halen song, Mean Streets. I've never wondered if it's my first record by them and I was like, holy fuck. Yeah, same here, Jay. Mean Streets, my favorite song by them also. That whole record's good. Zach, did you have a deep track? Yeah, I do. Any excuse I get to talk about Samoth Race, the band. So this is the last song off their first album, Life's Trade. The song is called Cruel Awake, and I think it's 13 minutes or something. But holy shit.

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I mean it builds to this incredible crescendo and it's just a slow burn it's a melodic and heavy and all the great things you want in a cool doom song really can't can't express the way it makes me feel I am it's the end of that I don't know it and on your on your the strength of your suggestion I'm going to use your deep job I'm going to buy it I'll pick it up and see what I think yeah life's trade is amazing I've been listening to that album for 10 years I don't

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A long time. Many years. And every time that song ends, I'm just like blown away, man. Something about it. Yeah. Puke doesn't have his headphones on. Put your headphones on. There. Puke, didn't we meet the drummer, Joe, from those guys? Oh. Sam of Grace. Yes, we certainly did. He's in, what the hell's the name of that band? Yeah, I'm blanking out right now. They played with Black Breath for the show. Oh, goddammit. Yeah. I can't remember either. I know it.

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I just hit the moon room yeah yeah shit

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please sorry theories yeah yeah theories

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yeah we interviewed them when they were

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in town long long long dreads yeah yeah

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yeah yeah yeah absolutely cool all right

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all right uh will uh my geek track

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creator to the afterborn off the album

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hordes of chaos right 2009 this is a

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This is a song that starts off slow. You listen to the lyrics, kind of builds up like, F-U, Christ, God, Christians, whatever. Kind of right up my alley. And then it's kind of like a slow burn. It's just ferocious, the last minute of the song. Love it. It's probably the seventh of ten songs on the album, Hordes of Chaos, but definitely a deep track, and I definitely love it. I almost went creator.

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I was thinking about Creator with the new album coming out. I've been listening to a lot of Creator lately. I just love Creator. Mine is a variety of generic, but not really. It is what I would call Deep Track. I put on Killers the other day. I hadn't listened to that in a while, and I have it on vinyl, so I threw it on. I had some free time here around the house this weekend. I had forgotten how much I like the instrumental on that record called Genghis Khan. It's really cool. It goes to all kinds of

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We Are Different Places, a good transitional maiden tune. It's like, it fits right on Killers. It's kind of right between the first record and then heading into Number of the Beast. It's a hip tune. And I also was just reminded how much I like that record in general. But even though Paul Diano is not on that particular song, it's worth hearing. Right on. Duke. You know, it's funny you mentioned MJ, because with the announcement of them going on tour, mine also is a major one. And it's actually not from one of their popular

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I like it too. Some people would say it's not their best of the time. That was the first time I saw them was on that tour. I don't know if it's a deep track, if it kind of kicks the album off, but Tail Gunner. I'd call it deep. It's a good song too. It's probably the best song on that record. I would not say it's a deep track, but it's not the most popular album, so if you're going to pick a popular song off a not popular album, that's a good one.

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I love that song. Good reminder to you. I haven't listened to that forever. And thanks for not saying bring your daughter to the slaughter or whatever. Bring your Dota. What's a Dota? He's going to go there. What's that? George O. All right. So my deep track is from a little band called Volbeat. And it was on their Outlaw Gentlemen and Shady Ladies album. And they released, there's 14 songs on this album. They released seven singles and did not manage to hit the best song on the album. Which, for me,

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is the track called The Nameless One. Catchy as fuck. And I don't have any idea why they didn't release it as a single, but there you go. I'll have to familiarize myself. So good. I like that. It's one of those songs that I will just play. That's my doorbell. Hello. That's a good doorbell. What was the name of the track? The Nameless One. That's why I didn't remember it. It's nameless. Yeah. It's basically this song about, about, uh, like meeting the Reaper. The Reaper,

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He's like talking to his like girl and he's like, you know, we're dead and we're gonna get ready to hop on this horse here with the nameless one and and you know, be dead. It's kind of cool thing. And yet it's catchy. My daughter's named after a Bowl beat song. Is that right? We've never heard that before. I have. And you have Jay. Jay's been on his podcast almost as long as I have. He's like, really? I never heard that before. Well, I don't usually listen to what you say, Will. I'm like Will's talking. I can't

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I'm going to start thinking about the next thing I'm going to say. True enough. All right. Well, I'll show you guys. Oh, let me show you this real quick. You won't see. You'll have to edit this, George, because there's the original beer wizard. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Move it back just a little bit. Move back. That is awesome. Do you know how many guys would pay to have a tat of that? Look at that. We know two. Yeah. I love that he's pouring a chorus, too. Did you notice that? Yeah. Really?

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No shit! I don't know where you live. No court's life. Oh, sorry. It's a banquet. Well, here we are, finally. You bet you didn't think it was going to end, but we have finally reached the end. Whenever we go long, that means we're having fun. Or we had a long script. But today we had fun. I always feel compelled to ask to say to any guest who is willing to hang in this long, thank you.

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So much, guys. Like, seriously, it was a true joy. You were some of the most interactive guests once we got in the regular episode that we've ever had to actually take part in the conversations past the interview. Thank you so much. Yeah, man. It was our pleasure. You guys are fun, man. I mean, it's just like, I wish we could hang out at the bar with you and have the same conversation. We can do that in Philly. Yeah. In Philly. We'll do it. Awesome. Cool beans. So if you want to see the guys in Chemist right now, don't forget to

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They're going to be at the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest. They're going to be at Psycho Fest. Maybe some unannounced tours that they, of course, know about but can't tell us right now, probably. It's going to be a busy year for them. They're riding high. So check them out. Again, my album of the year, so check them out, guys, please. Congratulations, guys. Congratulations on having such a good year. I'm happy for you. That's great. Well-deserved. Thanks so much.

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All right, before we go, make sure to check us out on SoundCloud. Check us out on Facebook. On Twitter, I am at Disciple OV Metal. Here's my part when I always feel bad for having guests on and saying I'm at Opeth Fan on Twitter. It could be worse, dude. Yeah, I could be at Lincoln Park Fan. Good thing Twitter wasn't that when I was in high school. I am at Catatonic J. I am at Brew Metal Will.

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And I'm at WhiteCluster69. 69! And these guys

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are on Facebook at Chemist, on Twitter

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at ChemistDoom. And here if you're on

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Xbox Live, Jay is at CatatonicJayO.

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Hey, yo! And also,

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I will say this too about Chemist. Let me just

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kind of test this theory. Yeah.

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Just Google those boys. There's nobody else

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using that word out there. No ancient

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Egyptians or Greeks that I can find. So it's

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all Chemist when you Google it. All Chemist

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all the time. All Chemist all the time.

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Alright. Yeah, and we're also, of course, at

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WeAreMetalHeads.com. And you can look us up on Bandcamp and see what we're listening to. Cool. Well, here's to a good year, boys. This is our first of the year. Looking forward to the rest of it. Dan and Zach, thank you so much from all of us. Real pleasure talking to you guys. You guys are fun. Obviously, Zach, you're a brewer. Love it. Yeah, this is great. Thanks so much.

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So long, the world, the whole! I'll be there saying so long, goodnight! So long, the night goes! Whippin', why are you still listening? The show is on! I said the show's over. Seriously, George, George, just turn it off.

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Turn it off. That's the end of the show. I don't know. People aren't even listening. They are listening, apparently. Seriously. Fuck you. Good night.