WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.200 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go! 00:00:26.260 --> 00:00:27.980 You must listen. 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:32.560 You must listen. 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:40.500 Now, here is the podcast, Metal Heads Podcast Go. 00:00:40.980 --> 00:00:43.380 Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast. My name is George. 00:00:43.660 --> 00:00:44.160 This is Jay. 00:00:44.420 --> 00:00:44.800 This is Will. 00:00:45.100 --> 00:00:45.720 And this is John. 00:00:46.100 --> 00:00:53.380 And we are joined today by Chuck Loesch, I want to say of the Metal Podcast and formerly the Metal Sucks Podcast, but that's not exactly true anymore, is it? 00:00:53.480 --> 00:01:23.120 I would say it's formerly the Metal Sucks podcast and formerly the Metal podcast as well. So yes, it's not entirely true. So earlier this week, I guess it was, I just happened to pop on episode 56 of the Metal podcast. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? What is this? And so apparently you guys are calling it quits. Yeah, I can't stand that guy, my co-host anymore. He's such a dick. I just had to. 00:01:23.180 --> 00:01:52.980 I had to cut him loose. He's so godless. Yeah, exactly. No, no, no. It's just time for us to call it, man. Yeah? Well, I... You know how much work it takes to put into a podcast? Oh, I do. Believe me. Almost none. And so, you know, it actually... And I mean, like, you guys actually put in work on the podcast. You got show notes and stuff. I was going off about how impressed I was that you actually were organized with all the stuff that you talk about and things. We do none of that, and I'm still overwhelmed by all the work it takes. 00:01:53.180 --> 00:02:23.160 Wow. Oh, I feel kind of special hearing that. Yeah. Way to go. Way to build George up even more. That's what you got to do. And then so I can slam him down later. It's okay. I'm just preparing. The sneak attack. Be ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, I was listening and it just, I was shocked. I was like, when I started this, before I started this podcast, you know, the inspiration for me to start this podcast was Kevin Smith and you guys. Whoa. And, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, 00:02:23.200 --> 00:02:51.500 I started off listening to Kevin Smith podcasts. I don't even know why. I think a friend of mine recommended it. And I hadn't listened to podcasts at all. And, you know, Kevin Smith is always going on about anybody can make a podcast, grab a couple of your friends and just talk. And I was like, that's a good idea. And then somebody told me about the Metal Sucks podcast. I started listening to it as I would commute into working back. And I loved it. And I was like, I can do this. Not that I'm saying like, these guys can do it. Anybody can do it. 00:02:52.440 --> 00:02:55.320 Well, I think a lot of people took it that way, too. 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:04.320 But I was just like, I could do this. I mean, I've got recording experience and I've certainly got, you know, years of metal experience and this would be fun. 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:09.980 So for me to hear that you guys are going to stop is just like it's kind of a blow. 00:03:10.480 --> 00:03:15.420 You know, it's like, wow, you know, you've been here the whole time we've been doing this and then some. 00:03:16.480 --> 00:03:16.880 So. 00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:22.400 Well, it's funny because, I mean, there's so many there were so many that the people that had 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:52.380 I was talking to somebody else about it and I kind of got the same sort of story and it's I don't I'm not inspired you know I don't want to say oh we're the inspiration for all these podcasts but at the same time though what it what it kind of made people realize I was like wait a minute people will actually listen to people talking about metal having a real conversation about heavy metal and stuff and and and you can actually have a voice in it and it's a it's 00:03:52.440 --> 00:04:22.380 It's pretty cool to know to kind of be one of the early adopters of it and to bring some reality to it. I mean, you know, you still had the injection guys and some of the others that were out there before us even. But, you know, there was when we started, there was no Josta podcast. There was no, you know, there was no, you know, Doc was a guest on our podcast before he had his podcast. You know, even even Trunk, I don't think it had a podcast at that point. You know, he was doing the Sirius XM regular radio thing, but he hadn't actually done it. 00:04:22.420 --> 00:04:52.380 the podcast version of it yet. So it hadn't been elevated to that point. And I think we're at a point now where there's just so many people doing a lot of really good work out there, including yourselves. So, you know, it's a good thing. Now we have to go and talk about dicks or something else. I don't know. We do that a lot. But I mean, but I mean, exclusively like details about it, not just, you know, interview people about penises. I bet you could get Devin 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:53.440 to get on that episode. 00:04:54.740 --> 00:04:55.440 That's probably true. 00:04:56.740 --> 00:04:57.300 That's probably true. 00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:58.580 Talking about dicks, I'm in. 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:09.220 Reminds me of the super bad scene where he's like, you know, the big can't stop drawing dicks and the big Robbie Vane are real triumphant bastard. 00:05:12.139 --> 00:05:18.680 Well, this is a serious question because I honestly don't know is how many metal podcasts are there out there? 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:22.460 because I don't really I knew I you know I used to listen to Chuck of Godless 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.800 occasionally but you know I just don't have time for a ton of podcasts because I'm always 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:48.040 listening to music for this podcast so are there a gazillion of them out there I know the Josta one I'm not a huge hate breed fan although I do like some of the music but his podcasts are good I have somebody had tweeted me today and I'm in about like what other podcast should I listen to and I haven't responded yet because I want to make sure I have a pretty comprehensive well I mean obviously but 00:05:48.040 --> 00:06:15.000 But I mean, I want to have a pretty comprehensive list because there's a lot of really good voices out there right now that are doing some good work, whether it's good interviews or good conversation or stuff. There really are a lot of metal voices that are out there speaking. You know, because like you had the Metal Injection live cast. Those guys have been doing it for a long time. You had, I mean, Talk To Me and H doing Talking Bullocks. 00:06:15.020 --> 00:06:44.760 and, you know, there was us, you guys. Nine circles for a while. Josta, Trunk, Toilet of Hell, you know, those guys. You know, I always feel like, you know, whenever you're making a list, you're going to leave somebody out, unfortunately. That's the problem. But there are, there's a lot of really good ones out there that are doing some really cool stuff. So, yeah, there's quite a, I can't even consume them all. You know, that was the other hard part. And the way that I introduced myself to most of them was doing research for our interviews. You know, so like, 00:06:45.020 --> 00:07:15.000 somebody else would get an interview with somebody so we'd go and listen to that interview so that I could kind of know what not to ask. You know, like it's already been asked. It's already out there. So I wanted to try different directions and go in different ways. So that was sort of the behind finding a lot of podcasts that way. Yeah, I kind of don't want to listen to other podcasts for sort of the opposite reason of I don't want to accidentally be influenced by or, you know, take anything from the podcast. 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:44.600 these other podcasts. At the same time, I think I would like to check them out just because, you know, more metal. But since I haven't been commuting, I haven't been listening. So. Well, that's another thing. I pretty much listen to my car. The only other thing is I'm so afraid to get like a lot of people tell me that they listen on their or listen to on their like home speaker or whatever, you know, Google Home or whatever. And I refuse to get one of those because it's just a inviting big brother into your house to listen to. 00:07:44.680 --> 00:08:12.960 You have sex with your wife. So, um, the sound quality sucks. Well, of the sex. Yes, it's terrible. But, uh, but, you know, for podcasts though, for voice, it's actually okay. So you can kind of get passive listening and stuff that way. But I don't know. It's, it's, um, where the hell was I going with that? I don't even know. Just the, uh, you know, talking about sex with your wife. Yeah. Well, being able to listen, find time to listen to podcasts. There you go. The finding time to listen to all these podcasts. 00:08:14.660 --> 00:08:44.500 other people's podcasts, not to find out how they're doing it, but honestly, when you listen to an artist and you're about to interview them, it can be really difficult to find a new angle. Especially if it's dudes that have been talked to a million times, what's your angle? How are you going to approach it? What are you going to do? Which direction are you going to go? Listening to people who have had either success or failure is one of my favorite things to do because then I can know what to do. 00:08:44.660 --> 00:09:13.600 or not to do or this worked or this didn't work or this guy really doesn't want to talk about his family so we need to really try to talk about his family. Those kinds of things. So trying to take it in a different way from a learning perspective not a copying perspective. Exactly. We're lucky we've got Will who's a brewer and so we try to ask beer questions and things like that that you don't hear a lot although you do if you listen to Eddie on the Rock and Roll Beer Guy podcast. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:43.340 We haven't talked about beer in a while. Yeah, that's true. I think it's been like three or four episodes since we said, hey, what are you drinking? I'm so useless on beer, though. I'll tell you that right now. I used to be great about it, but now I'm awful on it. So, George, what are you drinking? 60 Minutes. A lot of it. It has a gigantic stock. 3-in-1. It's the fucking thing. 00:09:44.680 --> 00:10:13.580 180 minutes then? Yeah, exactly. Condensed. 270 minutes of beer. Anybody else? Night of the Living Stout. Brittle Truth Beer. Oh, nice. I just got Atlas Silent Neighbor bourbon barrel aged. And then after that, I'll have one more and it will be the Firestone Walker Wookus. All right. Which I guess is their, their, was it the Wookie? 00:10:14.680 --> 00:10:41.640 Oh, yeah. Did they stop making that? Was that on the chopping block? It was a black rye IPA. Yeah, or is that the one they're going to do every couple of years? Now they changed their whole lineup for some of the main line. All right. Back to our guest. Oh, man. I'm drinking pure leaf tea right now, so that's what I mean. So is Jay. Yeah. I just ate, man. It would be a waste of money. 00:10:44.680 --> 00:11:14.640 But I've got some things waiting in the fridge. I've been looking for the new Maiden one. There's a new Maiden one that's out that none of us have had yet. I've had the Belgian one. I had it. There was one after that. Yeah, I had the hallowed. Yeah, there's one that came out after that. I can't remember what it was called. So I know you already talked about it on your final episode, but I want to ask you again, why exactly are you ending the Metal Podcast? Oh, you know, it's one of those things like multitude of different 00:11:14.660 --> 00:11:42.420 reasons. Part of it has to do with so many other voices that are out there, but also it's a lot of work. I mean, it really, really is a lot of work to make a quality podcast. And it's funny because a lot of people are just hanging out talking, bullshitting or whatever, you know. But scheduling and all that stuff and making all of it kind of fit and then editing and putting everything together. And I mean, it is a task to make it happen. 00:11:43.280 --> 00:12:13.000 And it just got to the point where I was getting overwhelmed. And every week it was, you know, struggling to get it together. And, you know, I just needed a break. Yeah. So, yeah, I could never do it on a weekly basis. That's why we try to do two a month. And of course, that being the case, they're longer. So it's, you know, more value added. Although most people complain it's too long. But yeah, my wife has definitely noticed that we're doing more of them. Like, you're doing it again? 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:42.760 Yeah, we've been on almost a lot of time on his hands. We've been almost like two weeks. So yeah, I mean, initially, I tried to do like when we first started out, I did it for like four weeks in a row. And I was like, this, first of all, we couldn't come up. I mean, granted, you know, you have less, so you have a shorter episode. But particularly when there's like, one, two, three, four, five of us, or four of us, sometimes five, plus a guest, the scheduling is impossible. 00:12:43.819 --> 00:13:12.820 And so if we can get it done once or twice a month, then, you know, I consider us lucky because, you know, families and schedules and everything being what they are. And we kind of have to limit it to the weekend time is the only time because of, you know, J being in California and guests being in other parts of the world. So. Well, and that's sort of been, you know, that that's kind of the tough part. You know, the hidden the hidden stuff is that there's just so much coordination that has to go on. 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:42.820 to make something like that happen and then to do it every single week. And we didn't, we rarely missed a week, you know, in the one, one and a half or one in three months that we did on the metal podcast, the three years we did on metal sucks, we pretty much did a weekly and didn't miss them. You know, maybe a vacation here and there, maybe a week off or the metal cruise or something like that. But I mean, we, you know, I, I'm a stickler for a deadline. You know, if that's when it's supposed to be, that's when it's supposed to be. And that's when it's always 00:13:42.840 --> 00:14:12.640 So, I mean, I push myself to make sure that I hit the deadlines. And that's, you know, that's part of that weirdness that you get that I got on about it, too. So, you know, it's and neither one of us, you know, obviously, it's a crime of passion, if you will. It wasn't anything we were doing that garnered a whole lot. You know, our Patreon supporters and things like that were great and awesome and were able to keep us, 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:42.820 kind of keep us going as far as paying for some of the back end stuff. But, you know, it was like just enough for a couple of beers here and there. But we all you know, we've got I've got a 50 hour a week job that I work on top of it, plus another radio show and everything else that goes in there, too. And it's just trying to keep it all straight. You know, yep. Wait, back up. You made money. I know. I know. Just gloss over that there. Yeah, a couple of bucks. Well, we you know, and we doubt a lot of that stemmed 00:14:42.860 --> 00:15:09.960 from people that were fans as the Metal Sucks podcast and followed us over and couldn't believe that anybody would pay for our bullshit. It was like, how's that? Was that real? And yeah, it's unbelievable. But there's some people out there who really, and I mean, a lot of people were really, really sad that we decided to cut it too. So I mean, I heard from a lot of people and answered a lot of emails after last week's podcast. 00:15:12.860 --> 00:15:42.820 go, well, do we make the right decision? Maybe I need to rethink my life. And yeah. Well, I mean, you guys are still friends and everything, so it could happen. Oh, yeah, totally, totally. I mean, I'm just going insane at this point in my life, but, you know, totally. It was, everybody else is not like a Me Too thing or anything like that. I'm like, no, there's nothing, it's like there's no weird shit going on. It's just. So that's why he left the country. Well, you know, that's 00:15:42.860 --> 00:16:12.780 I had to go. No, it's, you know, and that's the thing is like, there's no weird, nothing weird like that. We're still friends. You know, he's actually one of my favorite people in the world, honestly. And I think I'm his only friend. So it's all good. It's like, it's like us and George. Yeah. Yeah. These are my only friends. He actually is always in front of that microphone. That's all I do. Yeah. Um, I did want to ask you, in fact, I I've been sitting on this question for at least a year. 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:42.420 because I've talked to you a couple times about coming on and then Vaken happens and things happen and I forget. I've always wanted to know how the two of you met. It was a weird coincidence. He was doing a dude talking about a guy that like has he's an incredible person. Comes up with some of the weirdest shit you've ever heard of. If you've listened to our interviews before you know what I'm talking about. Comes up with some odd things every once in a while. He had decided to do a festival in Austin. 00:16:42.860 --> 00:17:12.800 that was a combination like MMA slash video game festival. And it was called the testosterone festival. And it was actually, you know, a pretty cool idea. It didn't work out so well, but he had come up to the radio station to do some advertising. And he started talking to one of our salespeople about carcass or something, you know, and he's like, well, you know, I know nothing about what you speak. 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:39.080 I do know a guy that might know something about that. So introduced me to him and we sat there for like an hour talking about metal and just kind of going back and forth and we kind of we became friends. You know, I went to the festival and kind of hung out a little bit here and there and we were like, you know, we need to like put microphones in front of us and talk about this stuff that we that we are always talking about when we're together and just kind of started from there, you know. 00:17:39.900 --> 00:18:08.740 So it started about CarCast? CarCast. He's calling back to our last episode. Was it the last episode? Yeah. When people were on purpose mispronouncing names and CarCast was one of them. CarCast. Iran Maidan or something like that. Yeah, I don't know why we did it. Probably because we can't pronounce the other band names properly. Anyway. 00:18:11.260 --> 00:18:39.760 Winterfileth. Wait, that's how it actually is pronounced. Fileth. That one's impossible to say no matter what you do. So this is actually a question that I usually end up asking a band, but it just occurred to me, I want to know how you got into metal. What was your gateway drug? What did you start listening to? Teen angst? I mean, it was honestly, I would say, 00:18:39.920 --> 00:19:06.740 The Beastie Boys. Interesting. License to Ill? License to Ill, Beastie Boys. Who the hell is playing that guitar? I was going to say, who's playing that solo on No Sleep Till Brooklyn? It's like, what is that all about? And then I discovered Cary King. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. And then I discovered Anthrax. And Anthrax was my first really heavy crush as far as metal is concerned. 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:39.540 their early stuff. Once I got to Among the Living, it was all over. That was where it was at. And then I'm the Man and some of the other stuff that they had put out. And then in high school, I discovered Maiden and Metallica by that point. And yeah, it was all over. So I was like a ROTC kid. So I spent a lot of time on a bus going to competitions and shit. So I'd listen to records over and over and over and over again. Just listen to cassettes. And yeah, 00:19:40.460 --> 00:20:09.460 That's all it was, man. So Anthrax was probably my first, first jam, but really the gateway was Beastie Boys. I have a theory about that guitar solo, which is probably the worst guitar solo in history. Oh, it's, yeah, yeah. It's that his earphones won't work, and they were just like, just play something, and then he was warming up, and they recorded it. He couldn't even hear the music. Just do the whammy bar thing. Oh, yeah, probably. I mean, it wasn't that it was good. It was the tone. 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:39.820 Like, that was the thing. Oh, you can tell it's him. Yeah, you can totally tell. Like, after you go back and you listen to Slayer, you're like, oh, no, shit, that really is him. But it was, you're right, it was like, it didn't fit, it was awkward, it was weird. But that's kind of what made me go, I kind of like this. Just sort of like, one of my favorite things that Anthrax ever did was I'm the man. And you want to talk about awkward and weird was that. I don't even know if they claim that. 00:20:39.920 --> 00:21:09.740 anymore is something that's real. I'm so bad I should be in detention. Exactly. I think it was, and that took a strange life of its own, but if I'm not mistaken, it was originally released as a B-side to something. I'm the man? Yeah. Well, it was that EP. Yeah. Because they did that EP, and the EP had like two songs that were recorded live in Dallas. Oh, and it was on that. Okay. Yeah, it was on its own EP, and I remember, 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:38.400 like it was really hard to find and I had found a copy of it and I over and over and over and over again because I was so impressed like this is a Dallas is Texas you know that all great is like right up the road man these guys are awesome and then you know yeah and then getting chewed out by Joey Belladonna you know it's arguably the most popular thing they ever did in all honesty it may well be just for sheer visibility yeah yeah the most popular thing they ever did was was bring the noise 00:21:39.179 --> 00:22:06.460 Oh, fair enough. Yeah. Which I think was a direct response probably to the success of. Almost exactly. Because it was the, you know, and they credit them for Limp Bizkit and everything that happened in the 90s. So, you know, the original. Damn, the original rap rock, baby. Yeah. Yeah. At the time, I thought that was cool. Because I was like, metal is badass. It can do anything, you know. And. 00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:38.380 I did end up going in a bad direction eventually. Well, I loved it because it was also kind of, I liked that. I still do like that early hip hop and that early hip hop sound, that early rap sound. And it was, you know, if you remember, like at that time, it was all tertiary. Like it was all this, you know, a sidebar, you know, metal was outcast. You know, hip hop was nothing at that point, you know, and it was kind of this convergence of outcast children that came 00:22:38.420 --> 00:23:07.340 together to create that stuff. And then it had this bastard that ruined fucking music. But, you know, it's it did spawn some cool stuff like Rage Against the Machine and some other things that came out of it that were socially aware, socially conscious and musically interesting. But then it got kind of weird there toward the toward the end of the 90s. But, you know, as it always does. Well, you know, that's kind of how. Yeah. I was going to say, do you remember a band Mordred from the like late 80s? 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:35.180 That sounds familiar. They had an album. I think it was called Fool's Game. And they had several other albums. But it was heavy metal with a slight rap twist. And I thought it was the greatest thing ever. And I went back and listened to it again recently. And I was like, oh, that's so bad. So bad. How much of that? How much stuff do you like when you were when you were young? Do you go back and listen to it? And like, I thought this was the shit. And then you go and you're like, oh. 00:23:35.540 --> 00:24:05.520 I was just having this conversation with somebody at work that like power metal like if I hear power metal these days except Dream Troll that's a whole nother subject but uh like you know I used to love Halloween and and still do Manowar yeah but like if I if I go into iTunes now and I hear that same style of music I'm like nah nah not skip skip skip but like is it that style of music from then 00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:35.500 or that like what people are doing now in that style i just think in general because but i can go back and listen to an old school halloween keeper the seven keys or whatever and man of war and i really enjoy it like i love it but i just like i love it because it's a place in history of my childhood just like if i heard something almost exactly the same as bring the noise or i'm the man now i'd be like what the fuck is this garbage exactly but because i grew up on it like it has a nostalgic place 00:24:35.520 --> 00:25:03.140 And I love it. Yeah. It has a time and place. Even though when I listen to it now, I cringe. There's a lot of power metal now that I can't stand. But when like Hammerfall's first album came out, I was like, yes, this is like the old days. And I loved it because I loved all the really like early 80s metal blade kind of stuff. I was I'll get to this part of this later, but I was listening to the band Thrust. 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:34.540 The name rings the bell. Early 80s band on Metal Blade. And they had a song called Posers Will Die. And being the elite thrasher of the 80s that I was, I was like, yes, the posers will die. George, believe me, if Piledriver does a reunion tour, we're going for it. Oh, Piledriver too, man. What was that song? Metal Inquisition? I'll fly out there for that. Yeah. If you ain't a metalhead, you might as well be dead. Exactly. 00:25:34.620 --> 00:25:36.500 And I'm sitting on the couch last night 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:39.620 and I just happened to go, oh yeah, Thrust. 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.840 And I started playing the song on my phone 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:44.900 and the dude's voice is so bad. 00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:46.840 It's like, ah, screeching. 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.620 And he's like, tonight's the night. 00:25:48.840 --> 00:25:50.180 The posters will die. 00:25:50.900 --> 00:25:52.020 And I'm like, yeah. 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:54.840 And my wife's like, you are a fucking idiot. 00:25:56.420 --> 00:25:59.020 That's one of those Google Home, play Thrust. 00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:01.240 Google Home, stop playing Thrust. 00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:33.360 Please, please stop. Quickly. I don't know. I find that, well, in power metal in particular, being an Iron Maiden fan, I can't listen to anything else. So I feel like everything, every power metal jam that has ever been is always compared to something that Bruce Dickinson did at one point. And I'm sorry, it always fails. So I was never into power metal just because of that. But yeah, I mean, I go back and 00:26:33.380 --> 00:27:03.300 I was listening to Brian Posehn was on one of our radio stations today and he was talking about hair metal and he said something about Poison. I was like, you know, I haven't listened to that forever, man. I used to scribble Poison on my textbook covers and shit. And I was like, you know, back in the day, let me go back and listen to that again today. Just see what I forgot about. Now I'm not talking about like every Rose has, I'm talking deep cuts, you know? And yeah, that's just, that was not a good idea. 00:27:04.020 --> 00:27:33.360 Yeah, that was pretty bad. I still have some nostalgic poison on a playlist here or there. But you know, you get to Winger and it's all good. No, no, no, no. Never was a fan of Winger. That's where it becomes okay for you. That's totally good. I can't wait for someone to call out Warrant for the Me Too, you know, hashtag Me Too for, she's only seven. That was Winger. Cherry Pie. Was that Winger? That was Winger. Cherry Pie was... That's funny. I was thinking about 00:27:33.380 --> 00:28:02.600 I was thinking about Sam Cooke the other day, you know, like R&B soul singer from back in the day. And he's got a song. She's only 16. I'm like, that wouldn't fly today. Or half the Zeppelin songs. They're all the blues songs. It's like, you know. Well, you know, when you sing about a kid's book, you know, it's a, what are you going to do? Going to Mordor and talking about Gollum? And I don't know, this is, hey, come on, nerdy girls. It's very, very weird. 00:28:03.620 --> 00:28:33.300 So you've been doing radio for longer than you've been doing podcasting, I have to assume. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've been working in radio for 22 years, something like that. Yeah. And yeah, quite some time. Yeah. How'd you get into that? You and our friend TR can compete for best of radio voice, that's for sure. Oh, yeah, baby. All right. What's happening? How you doing? All right, everybody. Here we go. The sultry sounds of the 70s. Yeah, it is. Oh, man, I miss the old DJ days, you know. 00:28:33.380 --> 00:29:02.580 Yeah, it's one of the things. No, it's I've been I've went to college for it, which is kind of messed up because nobody goes to college for it or should. But it was. Yeah, it was kind of my last resort. I went to college and had like six different majors at one point. And it was the last thing that I tried and discovered. It was like, oh, my God, I'm actually good at this. And I mean, I'm not like good, good. 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:32.160 You know, I'm decent. But I was good at editing. I was good at all the nuts and bolts of radio and all the stuff behind the scenes, too. And just loved it. I just ate it up, man. So after that, I got an internship, started where I'm working now, and I've been at the same radio station group for 20 years, actually. Like 20 years as of March, it'll be 20 years. Nice. All right. No, not really. I mean, I'm stuck. I got nowhere else to go, man. 00:29:32.220 --> 00:30:01.200 I know that feeling. What are you talking about? My podcast was going to take off and I was going to blow this joint, but no, no, it didn't work out. Yeah. Well, I warned you ahead of time about this one, but what were some of your favorite moments and what were your favorite guests that you've had on the podcast over the years? Oh, you've warned me about it, but of course, what did I do? Nothing. Actually. Yeah. I was like, oh, maybe I should think about that a little bit. Nah, I can come up with that on the fly. I'm a professional. Let me stall a little bit longer. See what I can do here. 00:30:01.820 --> 00:30:30.460 No, there were a lot of really good moments, and that's actually what's kind of crazy, is that when I go back and look and listen and think about some of the stuff that happened, I mean, first off, being able to go on my first ever heavy metal cruise was a result of the podcast, you know, being able to be a correspondent on 70,000 tons of metal. That shit is amazing. I've been wanting to do that. Have you guys ever been, any dudes ever done a music cruise or anything? No. 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:56.040 I mean, like, I hear people, like, all the detractors talk about it. Like, oh, it's nothing but a sausage fist and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, no, no, no. You're full of shit. It's so much fun. You wouldn't even believe it. It's the most exhausting thing you'll ever experience. But honestly, that's one of the most fun things that I've ever been able to experience in my life. And that's a result of the podcast, for sure. 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:25.000 It's funny because literally just today I was talking to somebody at work who went on the 70,000 tons and the term Sausage Fest definitely came up. Every time. Every single time. That's the first thing anybody who's never been. That's the first thing they say. It's metal. It's always a Sausage Fest. It's always a Sausage Fest. You don't have to go on a 70,000 ton cruise. Just follow Rush your whole life and you'd know what a Sausage Fest is. I found out that when I was 15 years old. 00:31:26.820 --> 00:31:56.000 No, it's, it's, I would say, well, if you break it down, it's actually the, like, they, they give you the numbers on this shit. It's like, it's like 55, 45 men to women ratio on that ship. You know, it's actually pretty good. I mean, it's, it's actually not bad, but it's really not even about any of that. It's really about like going and seeing the bands and, and like, I've met some really not, not just because I was interviewing them because of like, I was hanging out in the casino and hanging out with the dudes from, from Vital Remains talking about, 00:31:57.700 --> 00:32:24.560 Satanism and shit. Just weird, random stuff. Hanging out with the dudes from COC just because we bumped into them on the walk-in and next thing you know, we're hanging out at four in the morning talking about Carl Agle and what happened to him and not being the singer of COC anymore. And just weird, random stuff like that. So it's so much fun. And all the cruises that I've been on were pretty amazing. As far as guests are concerned, 00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:55.500 Some good, bad, ugly guests. I mean, the best of the best were probably some of my favorites were the most flattering. And the thing that made me realize that we might be doing something that was more interesting than we thought it was, was Chris Adler of Lamb of God when he was on. And he actually said he was he was a listener of the podcast. I was like, you are shitting me right now. You are not actually a listener. And and he legit was apparently. And I'm like, that's that's amazing. 00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:26.200 And then great guests like CJ from The Artist Murder was amazing. The guy like Sean Reinert from Cynic when he was on, Paul Mazdovall from Cynic, you know, both those guys for two different, completely two different reasons. You know, just so many different guests that were really incredible and enjoyable. We've gotten some incredible stories from people over the years. And, you know, it's good stuff. It's hard to name them all. I mean, they were, because it's easier 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:31.260 to name like bad moments because there were so few you know it there were only like one or two 00:33:32.040 --> 00:33:42.860 moments where i felt like oh man i'm looking at you rex brown but still uh state i know i know how do i not 00:33:42.860 --> 00:33:50.180 know how to talk to a dude that used to be in pantera how's that possible you know um but you know he was uh 00:33:50.950 --> 00:33:56.200 was his own thing every once in a while you get some rough ones but even uh a lot of time the ones 00:33:56.220 --> 00:34:25.020 We never aired, but those were so few and far between, like maybe two or three. And if anything, it wasn't really that they were bad guests. It was that they didn't get what we were doing, you know, like every once in a while. Or they took it way too seriously, you know. There are a few of those. And then when you get dudes like Dave Windorf, you know. I knew you were going to talk about Dave Windorf. Why? 00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:55.820 I would love to have him on the show. I think he's kind of a genius. Such an amazing personality. He was so much fun because, you know, we just like, hey, by the way, here's the seed and drop it in there. And he just go, you know, and he's just what that's his lyrics are all work that way. And I like, honest to God, I wondered if you're going to bring him up. I was biting my lip because I was going to ask you because I knew you guys had talked to him once. And I and I always think he's an amazing. In fact, I think I listened to you. I think your interview. 00:34:56.200 --> 00:35:26.120 featured on Blabbermouth or something like a while back and I hooked up to it and listened to it anyway that's awesome well and talk about one that was one of those like I had really low expectations because I just had watched a few of his before that were just sort of meh and but the problem was was that and it was one of those instances where I like went back and watched some of the interviews and listened to some of the interviews that he had done before and it was all about like as soon as he gets a question that was 00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:56.180 Pedestrian, he's done. He just kind of checks out. So if you can engage him and get him talking about something that he's interested in from the get-go, he's in and he's totally going for it. And that was like the key to that was to kind of get him moving right off the bat. And once he started to engage and rip on, because I forget, he was ripping on the music industry and stuff and he just went off. And I love it when guys that are willing to just say what's on their mind 00:35:56.660 --> 00:36:24.420 And forget that there's a microphone in front of them. Forget that they're doing an interview. And that's like the whole key to just forget that you're even that you're even doing it. And that's it's hard to do, especially with guys like that that have been doing it for 30 years to get them to realize it because they're they're schooled and ready to go all the time with the answers to everything because they know what questions are going to get. So that's why you got to like throw them a curveball. 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:54.740 And then once in a while, you get the guys who are brand new and they don't have a lot of interview experience and you have to drag things out of them because they just they're like, yes, no, I don't know, maybe. But it's all about like, but what's fun about that is, is that and we always looked at it like a challenge, right? It's all about trying to find the thing. Everybody's got a thing. Like you've got a thing. You've got it. Like every one of you's got a thing, whether it's beer, whether it's rush, whether, you know, everybody's got a thing, you know, it's, it 00:36:54.780 --> 00:37:24.740 sets you off and gets you going. And once you find that thing with anybody, you can talk about anything. So if you can't, and unless they're really shallow, you know, where they have no depth whatsoever and they're just there, you're going to get something kind of interesting out of them because you did, but it's all about like finding the thing that sets them off and gets them going. Like another one was that I was sort of low expectations, but 00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:54.500 Oh, wow. I can't even, why am I drawing a blank on the band? It's Alan Averill. Oh, Primordial. Or the other one. Yeah, no, yes. And like, I did not know, I had no idea what to expect. You know, like, I, cause the guy that sort of had interviews about him or, you know, stuff around him, but not really no details. So being able to kind of break into, break into somebody like that and get some, 00:37:54.540 --> 00:37:59.580 some fun, interesting stories out of a guy like that is always fun, man. 00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:03.300 It's a fun psychological experiment. 00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:06.420 Was he really intense when you were talking with him? 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.100 Well, he was at first, and then he loosened up, which was what was really interesting. 00:38:13.080 --> 00:38:22.840 Once we got to talking about more ethereal sort of things, more, I don't want to say it, that's the wrong word. 00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:24.100 That's right. 00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:51.920 Yeah, more abstract stuff. Once we got to that, he engaged a lot more because he's what? He's like a professor, right? He's a, not philosophy, but he's got mega degrees and he's a really smart dude. So you engage him on something other than the shit he's always talking about, he kind of started to go down a wormhole that was unexpected. And I love that. That's a great feeling when that actually starts to happen. 00:38:52.100 --> 00:39:21.620 I was next to him at Prague Power when they played there, I think in 2000, I don't know, 11 or 12. And he was at the bar and I was standing next to him getting a drink and somebody was talking to him and he could tell he wasn't interested. He just had this look on his face like he was just going to tear this dude apart. And I was laughing because I was like, I think he just wants to get a beer. Why don't you just leave him alone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, his stage presence, he's beyond intense, you know, his performance, which, 00:39:21.740 --> 00:39:26.640 I absolutely love seeing them play live, but I didn't know if it was like that in person too. 00:39:27.160 --> 00:39:29.920 No, and that was the thing was that it's just like it. 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:40.220 I love guys like that that are intense that take it, you know, and it's not that they the ones that take it seriously, but are willing to give you a good reason. 00:39:40.470 --> 00:39:51.260 Like it like really talk about why they take it seriously and whether it's the music or or personally their message or, you know, their messaging their, you know, their lyrics. 00:39:51.420 --> 00:40:21.400 or their sound, you know, like those things, you know, those things that are, they're really important to people. They're, they're why they make music. And it's not about the what, it's about the why. And it's always about the why. And, you know, when it's about the what, that's when, that's when I kind of tune out. You know, it's like, I don't really care 00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:51.380 So I love stuff like that. We're learning here. Yeah. You know, it's just so much fun. No, we're not. No, no. We're not picking any of this up. But you know, I mean, you guys know because I mean, if you if you listen to stuff, you know what you like to hear people talk about, right? Yeah. You know, and that's ultimately what you're going for. You know, that's what we always went for. I was like, do I want to make something that that I want? I want to listen to, you know, even though I hate listening to my own voice. I hear that a lot from people that we have on. 00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:51.560 here. 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:53.840 Like even just. 00:40:54.540 --> 00:40:54.880 Oh, yeah. 00:40:55.020 --> 00:40:55.280 Like the. 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:56.380 I won't say. 00:40:56.580 --> 00:40:57.220 I won't say who it was. 00:40:57.460 --> 00:41:00.360 But I was talking to somebody that was on here a couple episodes ago. 00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:06.980 And they were like a little anxious about hearing the podcast when it went up because they didn't want to hear their voices. 00:41:07.220 --> 00:41:09.040 And I was like, you get used to it. 00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:09.640 Okay. 00:41:09.860 --> 00:41:10.000 Yeah. 00:41:10.100 --> 00:41:10.840 After a while, you do. 00:41:11.240 --> 00:41:13.380 I don't hear the two different versions anymore. 00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:16.760 You know, when I first started doing it, you go, oh, my gosh, do I sound like that? 00:41:17.540 --> 00:41:19.280 And then after a while. 00:41:19.720 --> 00:41:20.500 Yeah, you do. 00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:20.700 I do. 00:41:24.140 --> 00:41:50.960 There was a great Simpsons one time where Homer had somebody put something in Homer's face. It was like a little children's device that would record you. And he goes, and he turns it on and completely hams it up. And he's like, this is a Homer. He's completely not sounding like it. And then he listens to it later. And he's like, did I sound like that? It was like, not at all. Chuck, you're slowly, as I watch you talk, Chuck, you're slowly transforming in my mind to James Hetfield. 00:41:51.020 --> 00:42:19.600 You've got the right glasses and the mustache. I trim my beard is what I did. I used to have the big bushy beard and I fucked it up and I screwed up my sideburns and wound up cutting part of my beard off. But it was also like an investigation to see how many chins I had under here. Because I lost a bunch of weight. So I was like, well, let's see if there's still four chins underneath here. And I'm like, oh, wow, there's only two. It's incredible. Honestly, it is. 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:50.320 It's sort of crazy. I have to stop this for one second. While we're talking, we can all see each other, and obviously people who listen can't, but I'm literally holding back as hard as I can not to laugh. I'm looking at Will, and all I see is just this little outline of Darth Vader's mask right by his elbow. And it's just his head's popping up, and I just want to burst out laughing the whole time. Especially since he was at a slightly odd angle, just a little bit. That's the bad angel back there is what that is. 00:42:50.360 --> 00:43:20.340 Well, it's kind of like you got Darth Vader on your shoulder there a little bit. Actually, I got a new toy to share. I got a grab. I was going to say, if you look over here, that's a Wookiee up there on mine right there. That would be Chewbacca. Yeah, we all have our things, which is really funny. And my Legos back here, you know. In the new toy department, I found this in a record store. Shut up. Oh, nice. Are you serious? Isn't that cool? It's an action figure. It's the Misfits. They have it in black and red. The Fiend. Is that new or is it like... 00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:49.200 I got it in Amoeba. It was on the shelf. I'm assuming it was new. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could pick some up for you boys if you guys are wanting one. That's pretty awesome. Nice. Actually, Jay, the other day, speaking of this, I tried to find a Nurgle bobblehead and you can't get them anywhere. It's like, was it a super limited run or something? Well, it's actually not a bobblehead at all, point of fact. You can only get it from their web store and it sold out, but they actually just started taking orders again. But it's like $100, dude. That thing was not cheap. Oh, okay. 00:43:49.920 --> 00:44:19.200 I like Behemoth, but not that much. I just ordered the super deluxe version of the new, well, when we get to new releases. Hey, Will, you actually, you need to fly to Poland and get a haircut in Poland, and you get that as a kind of a prize door thing when you leave. That's my, I actually went and got my haircut at Nurgle's Barbershop. Nice. Yeah, yeah. You might get some beer when you're there, too. That's pretty cool. 00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:49.080 If you can manage to get a cell phone video of Nurgle telling them to give you beer. Yeah, yeah. So I met them and he literally told the staff there to give me beer and a free haircut. It was awesome, man. He's a nice dude, man. He's intense, but he's a really nice guy. And a lot of people say that exact same thing. Have you interviewed him? Yeah. He was one of the few that we, back when Godless, actually still lived in Austin. 00:44:49.280 --> 00:45:19.240 we did in person. So we were able to do it like backstage the entire time. I think it was, I forgot who was sound checking on state. I think it was cradle of filth or somebody like that. And, um, and yeah, it was, uh, he's a, he's an intense guy, man. I think I remember that. Like, but really friendly, you know, like a really friendly dude. And, uh, was really, it seemed really relaxed, which was, you know, unexpected. Yeah. Well, I, I only had the good fortune to meet him through like one of the meet and greets, but they were unburdened. 00:45:21.279 --> 00:45:49.240 And they were like, we're going to stay here and take as many pictures and sign as many things. You can ask as many questions, you know, like when, when, when you're done, you go, we're not going to kick you out. It was pretty awesome. It's like when I met Kevin Smith. So not metal. Uh, but, uh, I went to whatever that's metal dude. I mean, he's, you know, he's got King diamond in one of his movies. Come on. Um, but they did a meet and greet and, and instead of like, here's a table, everybody lines up and you walk 00:45:50.400 --> 00:46:19.220 They had everybody sitting out in the theater waiting. And J. Mews' wife would come out and grab you one by one and take you backstage. And you'd just sit there for like 10 minutes just bullshitting with them and talking and taking pictures and asking them questions and getting hugs. It was like... Hitting his bong and everything has been great. Yeah! He's always like, don't meet your heroes. And I'm like, dude, he was the coolest of any... 00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:20.620 I've ever met. 00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:23.720 But for him, that actually means something. 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:26.820 That's why he does that. 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.000 Because he knows how bad that experience is. 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:33.800 I mean, that's one of the worst fucking things. 00:46:35.420 --> 00:46:38.340 I'm so scared to meet some of my heroes. 00:46:39.180 --> 00:46:39.700 So afraid. 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:42.920 It's the same reason why I've never interviewed Greg Graffin. 00:46:43.080 --> 00:46:45.460 Because I'm such a huge Bad Religion fan. 00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:46.520 It's not even funny. 00:46:46.570 --> 00:46:48.160 And I'm so afraid to be disappointed. 00:46:48.980 --> 00:47:11.680 and shocked that I won't do it. I just won't do it. I've had every opportunity over my 20 years in radio, but I've never done it. And a dude like that understands that that can be a life-changing experience for somebody for the better if he treats it with respect and treats it right. And that goes a long way to saying what kind of celebrity he is. 00:47:11.720 --> 00:47:39.960 And the best and most memorable part of that was that I was getting anxious because it was taking because he was taking all this time. It was taking a long time to get through. And the Metro closes at midnight and I had taken the train in. And so when I got in there, well, actually, I had. Don't tell me he gave you a ride home. Be like, oh, my God. I was, I guess, visibly agitated. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:48:09.440 And J. Muses' wife comes over and is like, is everything cool? And I was like, yeah, it's just, you know, I'd hate to, like, have to leave before, you know, I get to see him. And so she was like, hold on. She goes in and she comes back out and she's like, come with me. Takes me back there and they're like, hey, you know, we heard about the train thing. Wanted to make sure you got in. So, you know, let's do this. And he was like, if you missed the last train, come back and we will take you home. Oh, my God. That's awesome. 00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:39.480 He's like, we're hopping on the bus. You should have missed the last train. I know. You missed the train? He was like, our bus is heading that way anyway. We will drop you off. George, you should have just gotten the back of the line again. No kidding, man. I mean, that's, I think he was hitting on you as well as happening there. Might have been. I mean, but I mean, how cool is that? That's a missed opportunity right there, man. You know, I remember, I just, I, in one of the Zeppelin biography I read one time or something like that, and there was this moment right when they were on, like, a top of the world 00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:41.720 Like when Zeppelin was God and everybody was just 00:48:42.959 --> 00:48:44.820 probably lining up backstage to meet these guys. 00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:47.120 They were at some party 00:48:47.860 --> 00:48:49.540 and Groucho Marx was there and they were all 00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:51.980 too scared to go over and say hi to him. 00:48:51.980 --> 00:48:53.520 They were like, no way, dude, I'm not going. 00:48:53.570 --> 00:48:55.900 You go, you know. But he was just so godly 00:48:55.980 --> 00:48:57.680 to them and they were so worried about fucking it up 00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:59.080 that they wouldn't go meet Groucho Marx. 00:48:59.110 --> 00:49:01.060 I mean, it just goes to show you, for every 00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:02.360 person who is 00:49:03.220 --> 00:49:04.420 the ultimate celebrity 00:49:05.270 --> 00:49:05.880 to somebody, 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.480 they also have the ultimate celebrity 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:39.340 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, except maybe Elvis. I bet you money that even Elvis had somebody, you know, like whether it's Bing or somebody like that, you know, like it's, there's got to, there's always somebody, man, that you look up to and admire and go, wow, that's so crazy. It's, it's so much fun though. When you see people, uh, I hate to go back to like 70,000 tons of metal, but, but that's like one of those places where I've seen those bands freak out over other bands. 00:49:40.200 --> 00:50:09.040 because they're just like, I can't believe it. I think the best one was, was Carcass. Was like watching people freak out over Carcass, you know, and like all the other musicians that were huge fans of Carcass and stuff like that. I love that. It's so cool because you just see the connection and how it just trickles down to everybody else and it just keeps on going. 00:50:09.140 --> 00:50:35.500 and being that inspiration for somebody else, it's too cool. It's too much fun. I was talking to the bass player from Goat Whore once, not too long ago they were here, and Chuck Billy walked in and he visibly got sort of disturbed. He was just like, holy shit, you know what I mean? And Chuck Billy is actually their manager, but he'd never met him and he hasn't been in the band very long. But he just went up to him and he looked all of a sudden he was like a child. He's like, hey man, I'm so sorry, I don't mean to interrupt Chuck and everything. 00:50:39.160 --> 00:51:06.480 Yeah, TA is a friend of mine. He's from here in Austin. Oh, is that right? Yeah, and he's been in the metal scene for a long time. I've known that dude for quite some time. And that guy, he is, when you think of what a metal fan should be, I'm not even close to a metal fan. Not even close. That dude is a true metal fan. And he was such a nice guy too. 00:51:09.140 --> 00:51:38.860 I've ever met. I mean, he really is one of the most genuine, nicest guys I've ever met. And I'm so proud of him for being with Godor and doing what he's doing. It's really amazing what he's been able to do. And yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, but I've seen him do that before with people. That's awesome. That's awesome that we've got. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's totally in awe of people like that. You know what I mean? Because he's a metal fan. That's awesome. 00:51:38.940 --> 00:52:08.080 That's totally cool. Sweet. All right. I've got one more question for you before we move on to the episode. I don't know if the guys have any more. Well, that was like the third question. I think we're only an hour in. Yeah. So you always seem to play the straight man to Godless is mischievous Loki. Were there ever times where he would say something and you just wanted to strangle him? And like every time he opened his mouth. 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:38.520 You're just going, dude, rein it in! Oh my god, yes. Oh, yes, there are plenty of times. I mean, whether it was the whole thing, like his obsession with guitar players moving their hands fast and being able to masturbate well, or, yeah, I don't know, he just had to, dude, his look on the world is so different than so many other people, and that's why I really, really like that guy so much. 00:52:38.920 --> 00:53:08.860 is because he just looks at the world differently than everybody else. He really does. And, you know, just the the the cockeyed way that he like when we because when he moved to Ireland, we didn't get to spend time together anymore. So we'd only see each other on the metal cruise. So he shows up on the metal cruise and he's dressed in business casual. So he's buttoned down shirts and a tie and slacks on the metal. What are you what are you doing, dude? We're all here like they're battle jackets and Bermuda. 00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:12.920 shorts right now that's like this far removed as you can get from but he's just 00:53:13.080 --> 00:53:19.700 fucking with people you know and he's i i love that about him you know i and so every time we do an 00:53:19.820 --> 00:53:25.540 interview like that you know it was all about i was always trying to keep things on track but it 00:53:25.740 --> 00:53:33.320 wasn't purposeful because i needed him to be able to do that and and come from left field but then if i felt 00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:38.900 like it was getting too if i felt like the guest was getting too uncomfortable i could always bounce back 00:53:38.920 --> 00:54:08.140 and bring it back. But I always had somebody that was kind of a wild card, and I love that. That's what made it so much fun. Poor George. George is you, and he's got three godlesses. Yeah, pretty much. Well, that's his own fault. He can hit the hang-up button any time he wants. I wanted to know the other side of that coin. Was he ever frustrated with you for maybe being a little too not, you know, wild and crazy guy? 00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:38.880 He would never admit it because like I said, I'm his only friend. So, yeah, I don't know that he would want to admit that there's any of that. I'm sure there was. I'm sure there's definitely times like that. But we get frustrated with each other because you spend that much time doing stuff together and that long of a time doing stuff together and you're responsible for it. You're going to have conflicts. But I mean, overall, it wasn't anything. We never got into major stuff. We could always come to an agreement on 00:54:38.920 --> 00:55:08.880 almost everything because we're you know we're just trying to we're trying to make good content we both agree that that's you know what that is and we usually would come to come to a pretty good understanding of what that what that content looked like uh and sounded like not not just beforehand but also kind of in general what that what that means so he knows he knew that that's what my role was and i knew that that's what his role was and we kind of just went with it because that's what we're good at you know yeah i i would listen to it and you know 00:55:09.299 --> 00:55:38.680 And being that we do the same thing, I would sort of understand what you guys were doing. I'm like, I understand the way Chuck is and I understand the way Godless is. And I relate to both sides of that, you know, story there. And so it was just I just I just had to ask about it because I can kind of relate to it. Well, and the trick is, is that it's not it wasn't out of character. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, I'm not I never I've never played a character, you know, my radio show, my you know, I don't have. 00:55:38.880 --> 00:56:08.820 I don't have a fake name. I don't, you know, even though he has a fake name, but that's because he wants to, you know, not, not be pinned down and ruin his family. I still found him on Facebook. It's pretty easy. You know, it's, it's not that hard to find the guy. Uh, but it's, it's, it's not, it was never about being fake, you know, and that it was about being as real as we could possibly, possibly be. You know, everybody has asked me before about whether or not that dude is as strange as, as he, as he sounds. 00:56:09.590 --> 00:56:11.920 And I'm like, yeah, he is. He really is kind of that weird. 00:56:12.660 --> 00:56:16.540 And I am actually that straight. I am the straight guy. 00:56:16.810 --> 00:56:24.120 You know, like that's kind of how I'm a rule follower. I do things by the book, you know, like that's the guy that I am. 00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:32.920 And it just that you got to find those personalities to work together to make that happen and not try to fake it. 00:56:34.060 --> 00:56:54.920 If I wanted to make money or something like that, I could talk about how awesome guns are and how we need background checks for immigrants but not gun owners and stuff like that and do that on the radio for three hours and make a shit ton of money doing it. But I can't do it. I can't fake it. I've never been able to fake it. 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:23.760 Yeah, I think the four of us have a really great mix. I'm definitely the stuffy one. And everybody else is like, dude, lighten up. But I love these guys. And I think, you know, we're an amazing mix. So thanks, guys. Don't start crying now. Don't start crying now. Oh, my God, I love you. Oh, damn it. Was that all just trying to get to that sound effect? No. 00:57:24.520 --> 00:57:53.140 That was just gonna say any number of things tonight that you'll think, oh, wow, that's such a heart-felt thing by George. Just so he could push a buck. As long as you don't start deez-nutsing me, it's all good. Hey! All right. Well, if there are no more questions, why don't we get it into the rest of the episode? You mean that wasn't the episode? Yeah, there's more. 00:57:54.760 --> 00:58:23.660 This is the tip of the iceberg, baby. Wait, I'm only the first bullet point on this thing. Son of a bitch. Yeah. I wanted to talk about a couple of books that I just read. This is the book report section of the podcast. But in the last week, I just tore through a couple of books and Jay's read at least one, possibly both of them. So feel free to talk about that. But I read the Bruce Dickinson book. What does this button do? 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:53.920 I haven't read it yet. What's that? I took it to the beach the day you told me you were reading it. And then it was too cold to go to the beach. So I haven't read it yet, but I did read the other one. And the Brian Slagle book, For the Sake of Heaviness. Which I very much enjoyed. Which, I mean, the Dickinson book was good. However, I was a little surprised by the fact how he doesn't talk about his family at all. He doesn't mention that he got married. 00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:23.540 got divorced, got divorced, got married again, has any kids. It's like he lived in a vacuum his entire life. And he barely talks about Iron Maiden. He spends most of his time talking about fencing and flying airplanes. Wait, are you serious? I'm serious. I was like, I mean, I have this book. I haven't read it yet. It's a good read, but he's like, you know, chapter whatever, the Power Slave album. And he's like, yeah, we went into the studio. We recorded the album. Then we went out on tour. 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:53.740 And then I found all these places to go fencing. And, you know, he kind of glosses over it all. I'm like, oh, I'm not saying it's a bad book. I was just sort of surprised the direction that it went in. That book just went to the bottom of the stack. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But did that book have a co-writer? Did somebody write that for him or did he actually write that himself? That's the problem. That's actually the problem. We don't give a shit. Tell us about it. 00:59:53.980 --> 01:00:23.000 Yeah, he has an afterword where he says it was a conscious choice not to talk about any family or anything like that. And I'm like, all right, fine. Because he was like, you know, if I go into all this detail, it's going to be 800-page book and nobody's going to read it. Yeah. Well, he says he's going to read another one. My ass. What do you mean if nobody would read it? That's a load of shit is what that is. You know, it's like he knows everybody would read it and he knows people would tear it apart. The problem is he knows he would be questioned about it forever. 01:00:23.260 --> 01:00:53.240 You know what he did what he did is he went on Charlie Rose and was asked like surface questions about shit never really never really had to broach anything that was important as far as like his life is concerned and he's a private person so he's trying to keep it private so why would he even bother I mean otherwise he gets somebody like Joel MacGyver or somebody like that to help him write a book you know that's going to be that's going to be a badass actual biography that that he's done you know and and 01:00:53.260 --> 01:01:23.240 I hope that'll happen because I because you know Nico I don't know if I want to know his story yeah how many how many ribs that guy could sell but you know maybe Steve Harris would be kind of interesting but but like yeah I don't know when I when I saw the book and I kind of read the forward read the first little bit I was like yeah I think I'm good I think I'm good I know most of this stuff yeah I mean I wasn't looking for like Motley Crue's the dirt or anything like that you know I know he's he's he's too you know 01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:52.980 polished for that sort of writing. But, you know, just some stories about, I mean, there was one story about Robert Palmer that was interesting. But, you know, just a little more detail about the making of the album would have been kind of cool. Yeah. So. Yeah, but he's just the singer, dude. He shows up on the last day, knocks out the box, and he's done, man. You know, the other guys are the ones that actually made, like, spent. Well, that's what I thought. I figured, you know, Steve Harris is the guy, the songwriter. 01:01:53.000 --> 01:02:22.920 But he did mention things like, oh, well, you know, I wrote the words for this, and I came up with the song idea for that, which was a lot more contribution than I thought that he gave. I mean, you know, I thought that was sort of why he went solo, because he didn't get to contribute sort of Jace to Newsteadish. But apparently that... Yeah, it definitely wasn't Newsteadish, but like, I think he wrote... There are a few things he wrote all by himself, completely by himself. I'm inclined to say Revelations might be one of those. I'll have to look at the internet. 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.820 And then of course a lot of things he wrote lyrics for 01:02:27.100 --> 01:02:28.180 and he wrote with Adrian a lot. 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:33.100 Which is always why I think he probably had Adrian in his solo band there towards the end. 01:02:34.020 --> 01:02:34.500 Yeah, he... 01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:36.640 But in any case, I'm sorry to hear that. 01:02:36.690 --> 01:02:37.840 I mean, I agree with you. 01:02:38.170 --> 01:02:40.240 The truth is, I will read it. 01:02:40.350 --> 01:02:41.140 I'm still going to read it. 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:45.120 But I'm a little disappointed to hear that it's not full of chock full of crazy maidens. 01:02:45.120 --> 01:02:48.700 Yeah, well, like when Adrian left, he was just like, he sort of alluded. 01:02:49.140 --> 01:02:51.480 He's like, you know, and then we were doing this 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.500 And then something unfortunately happened and Adrian didn't have a choice but to leave. 01:02:56.059 --> 01:02:57.140 What the fuck happened? 01:02:58.490 --> 01:03:02.180 Well, but you got to remember that he was he was probably he went to bed early that night. 01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:04.380 It's fucking Bruce Dickinson, man. 01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:07.200 The guy flies airplanes and shit like legit flies. 01:03:08.180 --> 01:03:10.520 Believe me, you read this book, you know all about that. 01:03:10.720 --> 01:03:11.820 Oh, I know. And that's what I'm talking about. 01:03:11.910 --> 01:03:14.700 Like he is he's like about as good as it gets. 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.860 It's like, well, what did I do? Well, I decided to exercise. 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:20.420 OK, well, that's not maybe. 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:50.460 I apologize for interrupting, but I saw him. He did a book signing here in the area, so I went and saw him, and he spoke for about 30 or 45 minutes. And then people got to ask questions. Of course, it was just all Maiden fans there. Somebody asked the question, what do you do for exercise to stay in shape? And he said, I don't do. He said, I run around on stage for two or three months a year, and for the rest of the year, I don't do shit. He doesn't exercise. He said, I don't. He said, I'm truly supplied. I go along with the theory that you're 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:55.360 arms and legs and heart can only move in so many directions in one lifetime and i'm trying not to use that up 01:03:57.020 --> 01:04:01.880 like you get so many heartbeats so don't speed it up too often kind of yeah well the bit about the cancer 01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:09.100 treatment was pretty in-depth and very interesting and harrowing uh it's really the whole reason he wrote 01:04:09.160 --> 01:04:14.140 the book too i mean that's that's the center thing yeah did i think fundamentally change some of his 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:20.460 world views but also well in any case he says he's gonna write another one that's good we'll see well 01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:50.320 He digs up somebody like DX Ferris or MacGyver or some traditional metal writer to help him pen it a little bit to kind of craft a story out of it. He literally wrote it longhand on yellow legal pen. Yeah, well, the Brian Slagle book, wow, man. I mean, the guy's, you know, like a decade older than me, but the story that he told, 01:04:50.460 --> 01:05:18.680 was so familiar. He was in L.A., I was in Michigan, but... No, but we lived it with him. We did, and it was just... It had me definitely reaching for my music catalog and listening to Lizzie Borden and stuff like that. I was like, oh. So it was a really, really good read. I can't recommend that enough. And it's relatively short, like you said, but that's why it only took me like two days to read it. But those were really good two days. 01:05:19.820 --> 01:05:49.520 Well, if you thought you were muted, you were. And I think you were really good at playing the Lizzie Borden there. No, I was going to say, like, George is like, yeah, I was reading it. I was really going to reach for him. I'm like, where is he going with this one? I find myself reaching for, you know, I enjoyed it just partially because I think he has a lot of integrity. Talk about a guy who didn't do it for the money. Exactly. But had the good fortune to end up with some. Yeah. And also, some of my, 01:05:49.820 --> 01:06:19.800 Most Important Mental Experiences Coincide with Metal Blade up to and including those early Slayer records and so on and so forth. And it's fun to hear the behind-the-scenes stuff. And, you know, and he didn't share everything, but I feel like he threw out some cool stories there. And he was pretty blunt, too, about, you know, some people were kind of dicks and some people were kind of whatever. I liked this. It was not that. I like the story about Cannibal Corpse. I thought you said, I like dicks. Hold on. Well, you're really zeroed 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:47.980 over there, aren't you, buddy? It's not on the soundboard somewhere? Penis. Penis. Penis. Anyway, the Cannibal Corpse story was interesting. He was talking about how somebody had like a cassette demo tape or something. It was sitting on the table, and he looked at it, and it said Skull Full of Maggots was one of the song titles, and he just looked at the guy and said, send them a contract. 01:06:49.040 --> 01:07:18.080 Yeah. I was like, I want this. I haven't even heard it yet. I saw Skull Full of Maggots. I want them. They've been on Metal Blade their entire career, haven't they? Yeah. Chris Barnes, too. Why isn't somebody asking me that trivia question last time? Come on. Because what record labels have Cannibal Corpse been on? Kind of easy. Just one. No, actually, the question could have exactly as Will said it. Hey, Will, your final question is, 01:07:19.060 --> 01:07:43.760 been a metal blade their whole career, haven't they? Yes or no. True or false. It's the what other label has Cannibal Corpse been on? Trick question. You know, I really want us to get to this first bullet point so we can get through it and just be done with it. All right. Well, so let's do the news. 01:07:56.240 --> 01:08:19.000 We were all kind of shocked when John, I think it was, mentioned recently that Glenn Tipton was going to be sitting out this upcoming tour and replaced by producer and guitarist Andy Sneap. Unfortunately, Glenn, unbeknownst to us, has been suffering from Parkinson's for the last 10 years and feels he can't, I guess, 01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:49.000 perform up to his standard of quality to do this tour. Well, the actual quote is, and I mean, first and foremost, I feel bad for the man's health and everything, but the actual quote was, he can still kind of play a couple of the easier songs. You know what I mean? Like, that's how they put it, which is, which also reminds me of when the first Priest record came out with Rob on it again, and Ripper said, he still sounds great when he sings in the lower register. And I remember thinking that was the sideway. No, that's stated though. I, I, I, I, I, 01:08:49.060 --> 01:09:19.020 I can say I this one I'm kind of hard yeah I was just starting to see Glenn's been this quiet steady force in the metal world for years and years and years he's a great guitar player um you know I know Kerry King cites him as a primary influence and incidentally I went back and listened to uh Shona Mercy recently I many times have I listened to that worker put it on and I really realized that's just a speeded up 70s priest album yeah more than any other thrash album that you can hear the priest influence on yeah but in any case and that's 01:09:19.040 --> 01:09:45.480 That's tough, man. That's tough. Coming on the tail of Motorhead, all dying. Slayer announcing their retirement, so on and so forth. And suddenly, Glenn's out of commission. I don't know if everybody else heard, but he is still going on tour, though. He's still going to be with the band. And if he feels up to coming out on stage, he said he'll come out and play a song or two. Oh, I didn't know that. And you know what he does. People are going to lose their shit. Oh, yeah. 01:09:49.060 --> 01:10:18.820 Stop Touring and retire as well. I mean, because the band carried on without him. You know, I mean, for this tour, because the tour was already in stone. You know how that goes, man. You know how this goes. Well, we've been speculating this might end up being the Farewell Tour. You know why it's different for me? It's because KK retired because he wanted to. And Glenn was the last truly important member. 01:10:21.020 --> 01:10:49.020 I think he wants to tour but he can't physically so maybe that's part of it but I would go one step further and just say they were this like there were like there's been a bunch of them I was going to say they were like one of the two major guitar duos but there's been a million of them but the two major ones in the 80s were KK and Glenn and Dave and Adrian and so it was bad enough when KK left but to have the other half of that gone and have two guys that weren't even part of it 01:10:50.460 --> 01:11:18.780 And then Rob. And at that point, it's just sort of like the Rob solo band. No, no. Scott Travis has been in the band for 30 years. I know, but he doesn't. You know, and if it wasn't for him, there probably wouldn't be a band right now. You're right. You're right. But I do agree with George. I think it's one step away from a tribute band or a solo project with Glenn Gunn. And we also sort of, I think we sort of said to each other, it would be kind of ironic and interesting. 01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:49.000 It just prompted KK to come back for a little while to come back, you know, but which I guess I don't expect will happen. I was just terribly sad. He's also like, think of one controversy around Glenn Tipton, like one asshole thing you heard he say or heard he said or something like he's not. He was just this quiet, steady cranking it out. Rip it, rip it, dude. You know? Yeah. And that's just too bad. And Parkinson's is a cruel thing. It really that it actually, yeah, that that is pretty bad. And it's, you know, and it's, 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.980 It only gets worse with time 01:11:52.470 --> 01:11:53.140 I should think so 01:11:53.940 --> 01:11:55.120 Has anybody ever witnessed it up close? 01:11:55.550 --> 01:11:56.640 Yeah, my grandmother had it 01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:59.080 Does she play guitar? 01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:02.060 Not 01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:03.440 Shut the fuck up 01:12:03.510 --> 01:12:03.860 She wasn't 01:12:05.860 --> 01:12:07.980 She wasn't really shredding there towards the end 01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.760 But she could throw in a couple of bluesy licks 01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:11.420 But I mean to think he was 01:12:12.140 --> 01:12:14.160 Playing for 10 years with it developing 01:12:14.620 --> 01:12:15.380 You know, starting out 01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.780 That's not so much a physical thing 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:46.920 But mentally, that must have been just draining on him to think, every year it's getting a little harder to do this. I feel so shitty about talking about how Redeemer of Souls needed to be sped up by, you know, about 30 BPM. I'm like, oh boy, that criticism, I guess that was a whoopsie. Is it just me or is this a little shaky? You know, well, no, but I've been just saying, hey, you might have said something before you knew. 01:12:47.780 --> 01:13:17.500 But I don't mean to joke because I love Glenn. But I'm wondering if he's on the record. Well, there's a lot of people saying that now that he didn't even play on the record. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? And then I, you know, whatever. Well, what we've heard so far has been pretty faster. It's credited. So, I mean, you know. There's a lot of 70s albums, too. But I mean. Well, you know. But I mean, if nothing else, it's definitely, I mean, he's at least credited on it. 01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:46.920 I mean, it's gotta be, he probably, he could have wrote it, you know, and not recorded it. Yeah. Richie, Richie recorded. So, so what you're saying is it's not an early Aussie album where somebody is credited, but it's a different person's picture on the album. That was the, that was the eighties, man. It doesn't happen nowadays. The most famous in my mind, the most famous guy for that is, is Rudy Sarzo. How many bands has Rudy Sarzo been in where he was not on like some seminal album? 01:13:47.780 --> 01:13:50.620 His picture's on everything, and it's everybody else playing baseball. 01:13:50.620 --> 01:13:59.160 He's not on any of them. He's not on Blizzard of Oz. He's not on Quiet Riot's first record. He's not on whatever he did next. I mean, Rudy was always like one minute late to the game. 01:14:02.580 --> 01:14:08.360 Well, speaking of the new songs, we also heard a clip of the new song Traitor's Gate, which sounded pretty ferocious. 01:14:09.980 --> 01:14:17.240 Yeah. So far, so good. I mean, this is what it's called. What's it starting to shape up to be maybe their post-2000s painkiller? 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:46.120 Yeah. You know, with all the understanding of what the cruel march of time will do to people. So it's not going to be, you know, that heavy and straight on and vital. Yeah, well, we got a couple more weeks till the album drops and the tour starts. So looking forward to that. Given that they're all starting to push late 60s now, I couldn't be happier. I mean, I'll take what I can get at this point, as long as it's not demolition, you know, so. Yeah. Damn. 01:14:46.500 --> 01:15:16.480 I was looking at it's funny I did a picture a comparison picture of Ian Hill it hasn't changed no changed an inch like go go go pick up your coffee and scream well there's no pictures of him on screaming for vengeance but just pick up something from that tour and look at him now it's the same fucking guy formaldehyde lots of formaldehyde man yeah yeah so I saw the other day that Gibson guitars is in trouble and possibly vacating 01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:23.060 Bankruptcy. However, since I wrote this on the script, I've seen a follow-up article that says that they're going to handle their shit. 01:15:25.400 --> 01:15:36.180 Yeah, that guy's a douchebag, dude. I don't buy what he put out. He's a famous asshole, dude. There's a website you can go to, and it's like, what's it like to work for this company website? 01:15:36.180 --> 01:15:37.000 Yeah, Glassdoor. 01:15:37.400 --> 01:15:40.300 I can't remember the name. Yeah, Glassdoor. Go to Glassdoor sometime and read about Gibson. 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:41.180 I don't know. 01:15:41.950 --> 01:15:42.040 Yeah. 01:15:42.240 --> 01:16:11.760 They have faint. Every next thing is just this tragic tale of constant turnover. And this Henry guy keeps a paranoid atmosphere. And he's a megalomaniac and an egomaniac. Really, like, he has driven that company into the ground. They deserve everything. I've never heard so many people sort of, like, go, finally. You know, there's kind of been a collective, like, oh, finally. Because if nothing else, maybe they can change the top end. 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:41.740 and change the culture of Gibson as a result of something like this. But it's been this weird sort of collective, ah, thank you, you know, kind of thing that I've seen. Is it like hashtag Gibson too kind of thing? Well, I play guitar and I'm in a band and I'm there for a bit of a guitar enthusiast. And particularly I'm a Les Paul enthusiast. So there's like a Les Paul forum that I've gone to for years. 01:16:41.780 --> 01:16:44.540 years and things and I don't really go there much anymore but dude 01:16:45.580 --> 01:16:47.900 what he has done to the quality of their instruments 01:16:48.260 --> 01:16:49.500 the price of their instruments 01:16:50.460 --> 01:16:51.740 the stupid fucking choices 01:16:51.980 --> 01:16:53.980 he'd made like all the electronic tuners 01:16:54.260 --> 01:16:55.240 the modern V 01:16:55.940 --> 01:16:58.100 I just saw that I was like what is that piece of garbage 01:16:58.100 --> 01:16:59.440 that looks amazing dude 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.320 it is garbage George I've seen one in person 01:17:02.440 --> 01:17:03.300 they are garbage 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:06.980 talking about Gibson 01:17:07.260 --> 01:17:07.400 yeah 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:10.160 and it's a shame too because 01:17:11.220 --> 01:17:40.140 George has a Les Paul, but his is from a good era. I have two. Mine are both from good eras, but I wouldn't trust them now. You just can't. They're that spotty. Are you talking about Les Paul or are you talking about Gibson makes Les Paul? Gibson Les Paul. It's a Les Paul model of the Gibson. Sorry. I'm an Ibanez guy. Ibanez. Ibanez. Fair enough. Well, in any case, I have to agree with Chuck wholeheartedly on this. I think the true followers of Gibson, even in just a casual 01:17:40.200 --> 01:17:44.260 I was getting sick and tired of hearing shit about this company. 01:17:44.660 --> 01:17:49.860 Yeah, well, and like you said, the quality was going down, the price was going up, and that's unsustainable. 01:17:50.100 --> 01:17:53.460 It's just unsustainable to be able to maintain that trajectory. 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:59.140 And also, because there are so many people like you that are, I want to be a fan of Gibson. 01:17:59.420 --> 01:18:01.140 I want that to be a thing. 01:18:01.340 --> 01:18:09.520 It needs to be a thing, but they can't do it in good faith because the company isn't following through with the shit that they need to follow through with. 01:18:10.380 --> 01:18:39.620 They had to overcome my love for Ace Frehley and Jimmy Page and all these different people for me to literally be not like, no, you don't want to go buy one of those dudes. You know what I mean? Like, to me, they were like, you know, the Lone Ranger's cowboy hat. You know what I mean? It was just like, you don't question this. These were these legendary things. And if you were lucky enough, get your hands on one. Because they went to you. Now I just looked down on them. Well, and you also, you know, you couldn't imitate that sound. You know, that was something. 01:18:40.040 --> 01:19:10.020 in particular that it did and sounded a particular way because of the way it was built and how it was made and that's not the case anymore you know not just not just like you can electrically simulate that now make anything sound like anything but it's also because you're not letting that instrument speak like it should be because it's not as quality as it used to be as well so kind of sucks well i again i'll just say one more time george and i between us we have three of them 01:19:10.060 --> 01:19:40.020 I mean ours have mojo because you know they sort of they sort of predate his insanity it's no Parkinson's disease I'll tell you that so it has a potential of getting better so that it is something that could it could be a good really good thing for Gibson to go bankrupt restructure kick out the management and back to basics become a boutique you know it's like take it back take it back small and become a boutique again which is ironic which is ironic because 01:19:40.060 --> 01:20:09.620 that's kind of where they were and then he tried to become Best Buy and it just... Yeah, exactly. I mean, think about it. That's what happened with PRS when they started. They were boutique and they've become huge. Maybe not huge. Huge. They have much less quality control issues, John, but no. But the ones that really cost money that change hands are the ones from the first five, ten years. Yeah. Yeah, because they went on to become a corporate entity. No matter what you say or think, 01:20:10.040 --> 01:20:40.020 There's a difference in the quality control between 500 guitars and 50,000 guitars per year or whatever it is that they're making. Yeah. So and and just mojo and heart and soul and whatever else you can put into a guitar when you can focus on it. But like I said, I got mine. I hate to be like that, but I wouldn't buy a new one until something changes. And you're right, George, that that modern V is ugly. It's awful, dude. You should pick one up sometimes just to feel it. It's just you'll be like, dude, is this made in China? Like balsa wood? Yeah. And it's just 01:20:40.040 --> 01:20:42.160 It's like it's just crappy. There's no like 01:20:43.200 --> 01:20:44.840 sort of outfit on it. It's just not 01:20:45.260 --> 01:20:45.660 it's just cheap. 01:20:46.660 --> 01:20:48.740 So with all the bands that have been 01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:50.940 announcing farewell 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:53.360 retirement tours, there's now 01:20:53.540 --> 01:20:55.160 speculation that Kiss might be next 01:20:55.480 --> 01:20:57.200 because of a 01:20:57.560 --> 01:20:59.420 trademark they tried to register called 01:20:59.730 --> 01:21:00.720 the End of the Road. 01:21:01.740 --> 01:21:03.220 First of all, it's kind of funny that the 01:21:03.340 --> 01:21:04.720 things that they try to register like 01:21:05.030 --> 01:21:06.360 Gene Simmons trying to do the 01:21:07.240 --> 01:21:08.060 Fist of Rock 01:21:09.080 --> 01:21:38.000 And the end of the road. Nobody's ever used that before. Let's see if we can trademark that. But anyway. They also should have simultaneously hashtagged or, excuse me, trademarked the cats out of the bag. Yeah. So, I mean, it's kind of funny that they would do something like that because they've been talking about how Kiss will never end. And, you know, like Menudo or something, they'll just cycle in new people and they think it would be a great idea for Kiss to keep carrying on with different people, which I think is. 01:21:38.080 --> 01:22:08.040 It's a terrible idea, but... They're wrong. I think it's a perfect idea. Oh, no, whatever. For bowling alleys. Well, so what, man? I mean, if you can make money off the franchise, so be it. I don't think they would, though. Just knock it out. I don't think people would go. No, there's too much ego there for them to actually do that. You know, to let somebody... The only one that they ever did was, what, like mini-kiss? Yeah. And that was just because they got a kick out of it. I mean, it's time to wrap up. Hey, as a... 01:22:08.080 --> 01:22:37.320 Absolutely admittedly fan growing up. Not so much now, but at least it stops around 1979 or whatever. It's time to wrap that shit up, dude. I mean, Paul can't sing anymore, man. His voice is gone. I saw him a couple years ago there, and they're still pretty good. I mean, yeah, Paul wasn't the greatest, but it was still an awesome show. You know what I did see was both him and Ace on their respective solo tours about five or ten years ago, and they were both amazing. Paul Stanley's solo was awesome. 01:22:37.360 --> 01:23:06.380 But in any case, no love lost. Indeed. KISS was probably one of my first ever quasi-rock metal bands. I got into them when I moved into my new house. I was four when I moved into my new house. I was probably age five or six. I was obsessed with KISS. Never saw them in college. Did you get the trading cards? Oh, yeah. That was the first time I saw them. I used to flip baseball cards. I was a huge baseball card fanatic. Did you know flipping cards? Anybody? 01:23:07.360 --> 01:23:36.860 I'm sure they don't do that anymore. Just so you know, George, just before we got on, I was sitting here sorting through money. I used to flip cards with people and clear them out. I was really good at it. Every once in a while, you'd be flipping with some kid and he'd throw down a Kiss card and you're like, Gene Simmons blood running down his face. I'm like, what the hell is that? They're like, that's Kiss. That's how I met my best friend in elementary. We were best friends for about 10 years. 01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:39.740 He had blood running down his mouth? 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:40.740 Yeah. 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:46.680 No, I was sitting behind him, and he kept looking at his desk, and it was a picture of Gene Simmons. 01:23:46.780 --> 01:23:49.520 I was like, dude, you got a Gene Simmons, you know, whatever. 01:23:49.860 --> 01:23:50.260 That was it. 01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:52.780 We were famous friends for the rest of our days. 01:23:53.360 --> 01:23:53.920 That was third grade. 01:23:54.260 --> 01:23:59.860 It's funny to hear Will say nerd alert when he's got a bunch of Star Wars toys just littered all over the back behind him. 01:23:59.860 --> 01:23:59.940 Yeah. 01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:02.200 We're talking about Star Wars toys, man. 01:24:02.440 --> 01:24:02.920 Okay, all right. 01:24:03.020 --> 01:24:03.920 Leave that alone. 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:05.960 Hey, Will, what's on the middle shelf there? 01:24:06.040 --> 01:24:36.000 It looks like some sort of weird political bust or something. This? Yeah, what the fuck is this? Oh, that's a Boris Yeltsin. Stacking doll. Yeah, you've never seen those? Those are awesome. I do think I actually have seen them in Russia, as a matter of fact. Well, I got this in Russia. And I was, my undergrad was, oops, sorry. My undergrad was in, mostly focused on 01:24:36.020 --> 01:25:04.800 Russian-Soviet Union security studies, and my grad degree was mostly in Russian organized crime. Nice. Isn't that a... Is it Skid Row that has a cover with Eat the Rich or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looked like that in the background for a little bit there. Also, I kept sort of thinking it was the judge from The Wall. Which I think it was Warrant. Or Pink Floyd's The Wall. Not Skid Row. You're talking about on my bookshelf? 01:25:06.020 --> 01:25:35.900 No, John's talking about another one. What was it? I said before you took that down, Will, it looked like the cover of that guy just because the screen was small. I think it was the dirty, filthy, stinking rich or whatever, the warrant cover. No, I have a strange... You're strange, all right. Yeah, I'm here. No, I have like Rat and Roll. I don't know. 01:25:36.040 --> 01:26:05.060 It's like somebody gave me this book. And I have it on the shelf somewhere. Okay. So somebody gave me a book. Somebody gave me a book. It's on the shelf. I like to look at it once in a while. It has pretty pictures on the front. I like how George assumed that was everything you were about to tell us. George is like, very good, Will. Great job. Super. Time for nap now. 01:26:06.020 --> 01:26:35.900 If you were moving on to the next news story, why would you pronounce a good point? Yeah, the kiss thing sort of led into the next item, which was that Bill Biford was saying that there's something wrong with dead musicians touring his holograms. And I mostly put this on here because I wanted to get Chuck's take on the hologram thing. We've talked about it before, the whole D.O.T. hologram thing. But first, George, were you going to say Bill Brouper? Yeah. Because I was wondering if me and John were going to be. I was like. 01:26:36.020 --> 01:27:06.000 I don't know shit. We're talking about yes? Why did I say Bill? King Crimson? Anywho. But yeah, but I digress and Chuck, I would be curious to hear it too. But also let me point out one quick thing and that is like on the Dio one, I think it's just one song. I don't care. Yeah. Oh, no, dude. It's not. I support this in a way. It's totally fucking wrong. It's it's it's totally wrong. It's yeah, it's it's an abomination. Thank you. There are very few things that are I think against against God's will and that and that's 01:27:06.020 --> 01:27:35.300 one of them. It's like, that dude's fucking dead. Let it rest and be done with it. You know, there's no point. And I understand, like, the whole, because I know that Wendy Dio had come out and said, like, that it was important to help keeping his music alive and all that stuff. And I get that. And Dio Disciples, I'm totally down with them going out and touring and playing Dio music and getting people to sub in for them, just like I am with, even though it's Adam Lambert or whatever, but Queen doing the thing, 01:27:35.500 --> 01:28:05.360 doing stuff and touring and all that stuff. But if they had a Freddie Mercury hologram, that'd be the end of the... No, forget it. I just can't get it. And I don't understand how anybody thinks that that's a possible substitute. If they wanted to have a hologram at his gravesite that if you touched a button and it popped up and it performed for you there, that might be different. That'd be badass. On stage, charging money for it? No. Is that what the video screen? 01:28:05.440 --> 01:28:35.380 for behind the band when they're playing. Right? You know? I mean, nobody complains about that. It's like, oh, it's just a video. No big deal. He's out of here in a second. But yeah, it just seems kind of creepy to me that... Well, I mean, it's one thing if it's a video of him singing a song at one point in his career that's a video of him singing the song. This is... It's like they're pretending. Oh, no, I agree. I agree. It's like they're pretending to make him... It's awful. It's just awful. Yeah. I was even skeptical of DMs. 01:28:35.420 --> 01:28:37.600 But then I saw them and I think it was at M3 01:28:38.480 --> 01:28:39.420 and I was like 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:41.900 I was actually moved to tears so I was like 01:28:42.060 --> 01:28:43.320 okay you're good you're good 01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:45.860 It was the same thing when I saw Death to All 01:28:46.060 --> 01:28:47.880 you know like when I saw Death to All 01:28:49.080 --> 01:28:50.200 and it was 01:28:51.080 --> 01:28:51.380 eerie 01:28:52.220 --> 01:28:54.080 and weird but then 01:28:54.240 --> 01:28:55.980 when three-fourths of the way through the set 01:28:56.080 --> 01:28:57.880 they popped up a video with Chuck on the 01:28:58.140 --> 01:29:00.100 screen and played 01:29:00.120 --> 01:29:01.860 all this old footage of him and they 01:29:02.120 --> 01:29:04.020 just stopped the screen the stage 01:29:04.040 --> 01:29:34.000 was dark and everybody focused on the movie for five, ten minutes and watched footage of him talking and being himself. That was such a cool way to pay tribute and then bring the music back. That's different. I think it's not paying tribute, it's destroying a legacy is what it's doing. John, you saw Death Wall, didn't you? No, I didn't. Not to cut you off, I just want to say real quick, I did see a video tribute that I 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:58.700 was great. I don't know if you guys saw Ozzy when he toured with Joe Holmes back in the 90s. Joe Holmes apparently was a student of Randy Rhoads. So during Crazy Train, they brought the video up and there's a solo where you just see Randy Rhoads playing on the neck and they had Joe Holmes superimposed over the video, the necks right on top of each other. And he literally played note for note with Randy Rhoads. I was like, okay, that's really fucking cool. 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:28.740 Yeah. Yeah. But see that, and that's, you know, it's so different. It's so different than, than trying to recreate something that, you know, if you, if, cause I I've seen Dio probably more times than maybe motorhead more, but, but possibly the most I've ever seen anybody on stage live. I've seen Dio and there's no way that experience can be translated to a hologram of any kind of thing. 01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:58.700 And that goes for any great performer. There's no way you could do that with Freddie Mercury. There's no way that you could convey what Lemmy did on stage. Even though he just stood and yelled into that damn microphone, staring up at the sky the entire time. You know what I mean? You just couldn't convey that energy. It's funny talking about Dio and stuff like that because I have a four-year-old son who today asked me, Daddy, can you show me a video of Dio? 01:30:58.780 --> 01:31:28.740 He's four. So I googled Dio on YouTube and one of the first things that comes up is Dio 1984 at Philadelphia Spectrum. No, Philadelphia Spectrum. That's a good one. He's obsessed with how they can recognize Dio instantly if I put any kind of Black Sabbath era Dio, Rainbow, or actual Ryan James Dio on. They're obsessed with him and 01:31:28.780 --> 01:31:54.260 and seeing pictures of him and his crazy hair and how short he was. Why is he like a leprechaun, Daddy? I think it's great that you're teaching these kids this stuff, but at the same time, you're also condemning them to a life of unpopularity. Sitting here on a Friday night with five other dudes. They're going to be like their dad. 01:31:59.180 --> 01:32:27.300 representation of Lemmy by singing up into your microphone. And your voice actually turned Lemmy-like when you did it. I can see why Lemmy did that now. All you gotta do is stretch it like that. There it is. It works. It actually works. That's the reason why he did it, man. It's the reason why he did it. Because if he did it any other way, it wouldn't sound the same. It wouldn't sound like Lemmy, yeah. So just today, Jay sent me, well, all of us actually, a link to the new Slayer video series that they put up on YouTube. 01:32:28.300 --> 01:32:56.380 that's looking back on their career. And it was only like five minutes or so, but it was really cool. I thought so too. It's the first episode. I have high hopes for this thing. It obviously put a little money to it. It had kind of nice shots, angles on it and that kind of thing. And some old, very cool photos and stuff. And it was actually relevant for Paul Bastoff and Gary Holt to make comments because they both, Gary knew Slayer early, early, early on. 01:32:58.320 --> 01:33:28.280 the first time they heard Slayer because it's chronological so they've only talked about the early days but I think all put together it's going to make a nice DVD extra for the you know kind of thing are they going to get Lombardo to comment on it though I mean well that's a good yeah he's not there now they sort of spoke for him in some places well that's not yeah I don't know that's a that's kind of a weird thing in my opinion but Tom sounded really old I mean like the other guys were just like you know yeah but Tom was just like 01:33:28.280 --> 01:33:58.200 You know, the Santa Claus beard and just like kind of... I can understand why he's maybe wanting to step down because he looks like he's just been destroyed by metal. Have you ever seen... There's this series of videos, and I've seen a few of them, YouTube videos, where it's kids in every band. I saw that. This guy. I think this guy does it just so he can meet the bands, but he has his kids ask these guys questions. And they interviewed Tom Araya one time, and Tom couldn't hear them. The girls would ask him a question. He would, like, he couldn't. 01:33:58.280 --> 01:34:27.980 He would answer the wrong question. He tells him halfway through the thing, he says, I'm supposed to use hearing aids and I'm not wearing them, so you really got to speak up. He says to these girls. And that's neither here nor there, except that I think Tom is kind of, he's tired, he's done, he's ready to go. Anybody who says they're coming back is full of shit, because once he stops exercising that voice and stuff the way it is, you don't come back to Slayer five years later. That's like Michael Jordan wanting to play basketball again, it's just not going to happen. Yeah, I saw that. He joined the Wizards and it was pathetic. 01:34:30.040 --> 01:34:58.220 Point taken, well, it actually did happen, and I wiped it from my memory, so there you go. I do not follow basketball, but there's two different occasions where I got free tickets to see the Wizards in the early aughts, and Michael Jordan was on the Wizards, and it was pathetic. I wouldn't say pathetic. Pathetic not to worry about it. But it wasn't the same. It was like, you should have just retired as Chicago Bull and just been the legend. 01:34:59.380 --> 01:35:27.920 And there are a lot of bands these days about which this is true, but I can see, honestly, I can kind of see how the Stones and the Who can go on forever. I don't want to see Slary when they're 65, dude. I just don't think it's possible. Yeah. No, I 100% agree with you because I don't, like I see Ozzy now and it's like, dude, just retire. It gets to be embarrassing to a certain point or it's like, it's metal. 01:35:28.020 --> 01:35:58.000 It's not the AARP kind of thing. I was just going to say, if you're playing just rock and roll like The Who, that's different. You don't want to see Tom Mariah screaming, you know, rain of blood, and he's just really thinking about, man, my prostate's really swollen right now. The guy just wants to go off into rural 01:35:58.080 --> 01:35:59.700 and chill, man. 01:35:59.900 --> 01:36:00.220 You know what I mean? 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:02.300 Yeah, it's all good. 01:36:02.540 --> 01:36:08.020 I think that that kind of decision is something that needs to be made. 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:21.420 You know, I mean, one of the worst things that I ever saw in my metal life was watching Lemmy have to walk off stage. 01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:22.080 Yeah. 01:36:23.080 --> 01:36:53.060 Yeah, you know, three songs into a set, and all of us standing around going, our heroes fucking die. And a month later, you know, they're putting him in the ground, you know? And granted, he's a fucking warrior for going that far. You know, he really is a fucking warrior. But at the same time, though, you know, from a fan perspective, you know, I don't 01:36:53.080 --> 01:36:55.200 of guys like that. 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.580 Honestly, dude, you don't want to pay to see it either. 01:36:58.760 --> 01:36:59.460 I don't mean that. 01:36:59.940 --> 01:37:00.840 Well, no, I know what you mean. 01:37:02.200 --> 01:37:05.080 It's not what you paid for, but at the same time, it's... 01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:08.720 I'm not talking about value for money. 01:37:08.740 --> 01:37:11.080 I just mean that's my last experience. 01:37:11.120 --> 01:37:12.200 It's a double-edged sword. 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:13.280 I know, I know. 01:37:13.860 --> 01:37:20.120 There's a couple famous guys who died on stage, like Mike Skashia from Ring of Mortis died on stage. 01:37:20.700 --> 01:37:22.020 Who's the drummer from Megadeth? 01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:22.960 Nick Menza. 01:37:23.020 --> 01:37:50.720 died on stage. It's like, okay, that's cool, that's metal. You went out, granted, both those guys died. They're young. I get what you guys are saying. It's like, yeah, keep going, keep going, that's awesome. But on the other hand, it's like, take care of yourself. No, I don't think it's selfish. No, I'm saying for us to want that. Not for them to do that. 01:37:50.800 --> 01:38:20.000 For us to think that our heroes like that should do that. Fucking rock till you die. Even though that's what Lemmy said. And he did. He's like, you're gonna rock a road till we're gonna fucking die. That's how it was with him. And he did it that way. If that's what he wants, that's great. But I don't think as fans we should expect that. So with the Glenn Tipton thing, going back to that too, it's like go. Go. 01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:50.360 That's how we feel, by the way. I express sadness about Glenn, but go take care of yourself. But the question with that comes up is not whether or not they should or shouldn't or whatever, but, you know, like, it's great. I'm glad that Slayer is retiring Slayer and not trying to make it Slayer-lite, you know, and just the Carrie show, you know. So, I mean, it's sort of the same thing with JP in that it's like, well, do we want Rob Halford to keep going with a bunch of other dudes? Because then it's just fucking, 01:38:50.840 --> 01:39:20.780 You know, why are we gonna call it Judas Priest? Same thing with Sepultura, touring with Just Andres instead of Max and Igor. It's like, why do you call yourself Sepultura? Why is it that? Why can't we move on? I'm excited that Slayer's actually made that decision to call it quit. Absolutely, just like Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's Let's 01:39:20.820 --> 01:39:50.620 They were like Led Zeppelin. They were like, no. They would have done it when Jeff died. But that stated, the last two times I saw them were in the last couple of years, and they were amazing both times. So I fully expect... Are you talking about Slayer or Zeppelin? Slayer. So I fully expect for their last tour to be just as devastating as the last times I saw them, which is a great way to go out. Yeah, I don't think it's that they can't do it. I think it's a matter of... No, but I mean, that's the way I want it to happen. Go out on top. Right, exactly. You're still firing all cylinders. Agree. Just one other thing. 01:39:50.800 --> 01:40:20.760 I saw this wonderful meme. I was just looking for, but I couldn't find it. It's a picture of Tom Aurea. And he's in, he's sitting on a couch. This is a very recent photo. So he's got the big gray beard and everything. He's got a big fuzzy bathrobe on him. He's holding a baby. He's got this big cheesy Tom Aurea grin. And he's like wearing slippers and stuff. And down at the bottom, it says, at dawn, they sleep. The baby's asleep. It's just like, I wish I could find it. It's a wonderful. My last comment about the Slayer thing is, 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:49.900 Maybe Jay and I are the biggest Slayer fans on the podcast. I guess I just would have liked to have one more album that was just absolutely insane and then retired. It's sort of like this, like, hey, we released an album a couple years ago. Now we're thinking about it's sort of like, come up with one more album. Just one more. You greedy bastard. Repentless was good. 01:40:50.160 --> 01:41:19.720 Don't get greedy because man it could be fucking Diabolus and Musica or something you know no fuck no but Will's stipulation is that it'd be a good one and I agree with Will it would have been nice if they would have done one more cycle but I would also say that they I forgot what the fuck I was going to say but I think Tom was done I think Tom was done before Repentless honestly oh yeah I did like three four years ago he started talking about it did you I will defend Diabolus and Musica yeah me too I like it yeah 01:41:20.180 --> 01:41:49.680 You've tried to do that before. Go ahead and do that. Wait until a different podcast because I don't need to hear that. I don't want to be part of it. Does everybody have tickets? No. I do. I have pit tickets. It's the last one I'm getting in the pit. I won't mosh because I'm fucking old. Anybody who could afford it, don't worry. Nobody's going to be moshing down there. I'll tell you that right now. 01:41:50.160 --> 01:42:20.140 That people could afford it. Good point. Okay, now I got you. Those fuckers don't mosh, I'll tell you that right now. $300 for a GA pit ticket where we're at, so yeah, no way. Well, I do want to kind of wrap this one up by just saying I would really highly recommend if you're a Slayer fan to go to their Facebook page and probably certainly their website and they've posted this first episode. I have no idea how fast the episodes will be coming, but I was entertained and it's probably going to wind out to be a pretty 01:42:20.160 --> 01:42:48.580 a good Slayer documentary when all things are said and done. So totally worth your time. Do you know who did it? It wasn't Banger or anybody like that, was it? No, I do think there are some, if I'm not mistaken, were there some credits at the beginning, George? I was, you know, I was multitasking at the time. I haven't watched it yet, so yeah. I can't remember if there was a credit roll of any sort except to say that it's got a very pro look about it and it's kind of tastefully done, like they're all lit dramatically and it's black and dark and black and white when they're interviewed. Yeah, it was nice. 01:42:48.960 --> 01:43:17.060 It's a good documentary. The first episode's only seven or eight minutes long, so we'll see how many episodes we're going to get. Can I just do a programming pause note that we're almost two hours in and we're on the sixth news item. I'm going to move this along a little more. The next few are about new releases, so we'll sort of slide through these. Sorry, I'm long-winded, man. We're always long-winded, so no worries. But point taken. 01:43:18.980 --> 01:43:48.640 Released another new song from their forthcoming album Mindfucker called Ejection. The new album's out the 23rd of March. And I liked it. I mean, Jay's the resident Monster Magnet fan, but I like him too. Did you listen to it yet? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like it a lot. It's going to be, it'll be like probably the last, so what I've heard so far reminds me of a record, three or four records ago called Monolithic Baby. So I think it's going to go in that direction. 01:43:48.660 --> 01:44:16.860 which is more of a loud cranky rock and roll record. But his heart is with the Stooges and the MC5, and whenever he kind of goes closer to that, that's fine with me. So I like it. It's kind of hard to hear any single of theirs out of context to the record, because the record tends to be a full statement of sorts. But I like it. I have high hopes. I pre-ordered it, so I'll be glad when it comes out. Barren Earth are releasing a new album called A Complex of Cages on March 30th. They released a lyric video for the new song Withdrawal. 01:44:18.660 --> 01:44:47.640 is the second song. The first song is called Further Down, and I like that one a lot better. I would agree. But it's definitely still pretty cool. I'm definitely going to check that out when it drops. Oh, I will. And the one that we talked about on last episode, Primordial had released the first song from their forthcoming album, Exile Among the Ruins, and it was a little, seemed like an odd choice. This new song to Hell or the Hangman is, 01:44:48.660 --> 01:45:18.620 Definitely a lot cooler. It's a little droney almost though, but it's... I don't know what they did to his vocals on this. I don't know. Alan's vocals sound really kind of weird on this album so far. It's... But is that just me? I just... I think he's been sort of headed in that direction for... I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm thinking of like his other band, Twilight of the Gods, or his other band, Dread Sovereign, but it didn't shock me. I mean, it's maybe not... 01:45:18.660 --> 01:45:48.580 is black metal death metal-y, but, you know. I felt like it wasn't just like a style choice. I felt more like it was something with the way that it was recorded. Something felt weird with it for some reason. I couldn't place what it was just yet, because I've really only... The first song I didn't like when I heard it, and the new one, the Hangman song, it's like, I actually like that one. I'm playing it on my radio. 01:45:48.660 --> 01:46:18.340 their show. But it's still something sounds funky to me. And I know that they're known for kind of being a little all over the place sometimes. You know, experimental. I think some people call that. But yeah, so we'll see. See how it happens. I definitely did not like the first song, but I like this one. Next, Behemoth is going to release a DVD Blu-ray set on April 13th called Mesa Noir. And do you have anything to say about that, Jay? 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:48.620 It will also be released on CD or vinyl the audio shows will be coming out I ordered the big stupid ridiculous extra package it's got like the record the DVD the CDs are the records the DVD t-shirt a piece of artwork bunch of crazy shit for like a hundred bucks but but um and I watched a haircut and everything coupon for a free haircut well done I um but I watched there's a trailer for it on their website and I watched it and it's it's certainly seems to have a high quality 01:46:48.660 --> 01:47:18.460 of sound and visuals and stuff. So yeah, I'm excited about it. But when I pre-ordered it, it was like, this comes out in 75 days, but I think it's because of the vinyl pressing. I think the thing comes out a little earlier. I'm excited. It's a lot of music. It's like 150 minutes worth of stuff. I was hoping when I saw the initial headline, I was like, oh good, they're going to name this album. And no, no. So that was the way I took it too, George. I thought it was, yeah, because it said pre-order Messing Or, and I was like, what? The record's coming up? But they're almost done with that record. Good. 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:48.120 So Wolfhammer is preparing to release a new album called The Monuments of Ash and Bone in early May. I've been looking forward to that one. I saw that John and I saw them a year, possibly two years ago, but apparently the singer was off with Skeleton Witch, so we had the guitar player singing and it was a little less than, I mean, it was a good show, but you know. Is that dude's stainless skeleton witch? Yeah, well, I mean, he's doing both. I mean, it's a nice little. 01:47:48.660 --> 01:48:18.540 What's his name? I forget his last name. I haven't heard a thing about that one. And we all kind of liked the stuff that he did on the EP with them. Have I ever heard anything about their new record? Yeah, it's I don't know. It's supposed to be coming out this year, I think. So Decibel said. I was at a show where they played, but I couldn't see them. Yeah. Skeleton Witch or Wolfhammer? No, Wolfhammer. Oh, you're talking about, yeah. We were at Cafe 611 and there was so much fog. Oh, was that the fog show? Yeah, there's a picture of John. Well, the funny thing, too, 01:48:19.280 --> 01:48:48.280 Well, in the audience is like four people, if I remember right. We were two of them. And yeah, somebody was laying on the fog machine, and it was just like pea soup in there. And there's a picture of John up on the Facebook page, and he's just like, what? And you can tell that he's just completely drowning in fog. Hey, Jay, I swear I thought it was back at USF again, like on a cold Tuesday night or something. I used to work there, buddy. Every damn day that came in. Yeah, every day. 01:48:49.960 --> 01:49:17.980 And there was a lot of excitement around here yesterday, was it? The new Eson song from his seventh solo album that I cannot pronounce, but it's A Squiggly MR. Any guesses on that one? Amir? Amar? Amon Amarth? I don't know. I'm not even sure what the squiggly does to the A's. Amir? Amar? I don't know. Don't even try. No, no, that's good. I like that. 01:49:19.160 --> 01:49:48.320 But anyway, it's coming out on May 4th. And I, sorry, the album is called Arcana Imperi. Oh, wait, no, sorry. The song is Arcana Imperi. I can't read. Too much beer. All right, the song is called Arcana Imperi. And I played it like four times in a row. I was like, this is awesome. There's actually a video for it too, if you want to watch the video. I did watch the video, sorry. Yeah. I like it. I mean, it seems it's on par with 01:49:49.120 --> 01:50:17.500 So, you know, and you know, his records tend to go all over the place. So it doesn't tell you much about the record. Except that it's got a good song on it. I agree, Jake. Reminded me of the opening track off of Arctis Disassembled. It had the same kind of riff sound. So I was down immediately with that song. What was the release of May 4? Okay, well, we don't have too long to wait. Yeah, and hopefully we'll get a promo even sooner. I hate waiting. 01:50:18.360 --> 01:50:48.320 That's why I got into this business. I didn't like waiting for my music. I'm like, I want it like a month or two ahead of time. Can I do that? Oh, okay. Sure. Thanks. Anyway, Amorphous is also going to release a new album on May 18th called Queen of Time. That's an interesting title. I have little doubt that it will be awesome, but that remains to be seen. It sounds like the last seven albums, and I'll be happy. They got a lot of cool tour dates coming up, too. They are touring with... 01:50:49.180 --> 01:51:18.320 A shit ton of people like Dark Tranquility. That's a big tour. I can't remember who the other one is. They're playing in Berkeley. They reopened that UC theater there. They're playing at Will's Favorite City. They're going to be playing in Baltimore in our area. I hate hippies and murderers. I was surprised to see that Atheist were working on a new album with the 01:51:19.260 --> 01:51:48.280 the vague release date of sometime this year, but I'm looking forward to that when that drops. Oh, big time. Yeah. And I'll say this, they're more consistent than Tool. It's only been seven years since their last album. Yeah. Well, you know, those guys got nothing to believe in. They got nothing keeping them going, you know what I mean? I mean, I guess they're not, you know. They got to answer to nobody, man. They'll make it out when they want. 01:51:50.120 --> 01:51:53.420 I did go back and I threw 10,000 01:51:53.660 --> 01:51:55.340 tool 10,000 days on my iPod 01:51:55.900 --> 01:51:57.020 and was listening to it at work 01:51:57.480 --> 01:51:59.520 and I didn't like it when it came out 01:51:59.540 --> 01:52:00.840 and I was like okay my music changed 01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:02.140 maybe it changed in the last 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:04.340 I don't know whatever like 500 years 01:52:05.460 --> 01:52:06.860 so I listened to it again 01:52:07.160 --> 01:52:07.880 yeah I still don't like it 01:52:09.200 --> 01:52:09.840 it's not 01:52:11.060 --> 01:52:13.200 and it makes me not very excited about the next one 01:52:13.240 --> 01:52:13.360 well 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:15.080 boring 01:52:16.900 --> 01:52:18.320 well don't worry Jay 01:52:18.340 --> 01:52:48.300 They're almost getting ready to go into the studio. God, I hate stories like that. And how many times has it been told about that? It's like a Chinese democracy level of ridiculousness. Yeah. Almost. So I kind of hesitate to go into this last bullet because I feel like we could really fall down a rabbit hole here and talk for a long time about it. But I wrote female fronted no more because I've seen two different 01:52:48.360 --> 01:53:18.300 I've got different articles in the last week from women in the heavy metal music business saying you gotta stop saying female fronted. And this is something that I've I have thought about for a while myself because it just seemed kind of you know stupid. But I'm also extremely guilty even as of last episode of using this because it's descriptive. I realize that female fronted does not describe a 01:53:18.320 --> 01:53:18.880 of music. 01:53:21.740 --> 01:53:23.120 It's a warning if you ask me. 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:24.120 I'm joking. 01:53:24.440 --> 01:53:25.080 I'm totally joking. 01:53:25.440 --> 01:53:28.940 If I was going to be like, I'd be like, well, there's this doom band I want you to check out. 01:53:29.500 --> 01:53:34.120 And I would say to him, they have a female singer because he's either right now he's either in or out. 01:53:34.250 --> 01:53:34.740 You know what I mean? 01:53:35.020 --> 01:53:35.460 That's the thing. 01:53:36.160 --> 01:53:37.240 And I'm being a dick. 01:53:37.780 --> 01:53:44.720 Particularly after the fallout from your core, you realize that there are a lot of misogynistic motherfuckers in heavy metal and that's a bunch of bullshit. 01:53:46.680 --> 01:54:06.160 So, you know, when I say this, when I say, hey, this band is female-fronted, I'm not sending that out as a warning to people that aren't into that sort of thing. I'm, like, advertising that for people that are into that sort of thing, like myself. I mean, I fell in love with Doro in 1987, and I'm, like, women, metal, they're just fine for me. 01:54:06.540 --> 01:54:07.480 But it's still in love. 01:54:07.740 --> 01:54:08.860 Not yet. Still waiting. 01:54:09.480 --> 01:54:14.220 I understand why people say it. It's still not the most common thing in the world. I mean, you know. 01:54:14.220 --> 01:54:16.660 Well, but I... 01:54:16.660 --> 01:54:18.160 The thing about it is that it's not 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:20.840 I think the offense is taken when it's basically 01:54:21.400 --> 01:54:22.300 considered like a genre 01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:24.940 when they're saying that this is 01:54:24.940 --> 01:54:26.940 the genre of music and it's not 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:28.160 that at all 01:54:31.180 --> 01:54:32.840 I was just going to say that 01:54:33.040 --> 01:54:34.880 I have never heard anyone 01:54:35.100 --> 01:54:36.860 refer to it as genre because 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:38.460 I've always said if I mention it 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.800 it's a female-offensive gothic 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:43.080 metal band which was really big in the late 90s 01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:44.640 or doom band 01:54:44.660 --> 01:55:14.380 And I heard this on Bangor. They were, uh, some of the Bangor was going off about it being a genre. I'm like, since when? I've never once ever referred to it as a genre. It's just, it's acid. And I didn't even think that. It's just stupid. For me, it's just a descriptive way of describing the music. I mean, that's part of what we do on here is we're trying to explain people, explain to people what this music sounds like. And that is just one of the descriptors that describe what the music is. But I think the best way to describe it is. 01:55:14.500 --> 01:55:44.380 White Male, back away for a second. Back away, White Male, for one second. Just think about what you're saying. It's a descriptor, right? You're using it as a description of what the band sounds like. By saying they're female-fronted doesn't tell me anything about what she sounds like. Oh, no. And that's where I... Hang on, hang on. Because if I say male-fronted metal band, it could be fucking Cookie Monster, it could be fucking Halloween, it could be anything. It could be anything like that. 01:55:44.460 --> 01:56:14.440 And it's the same thing with, and that's what I think they're getting at, is that it's not, that should not even be a descriptor because it doesn't tell you anything about what it sounds like. Right. I mean, except for the fact that it's a female vocal. But if you say a death vocal, if I would tell George it's a band that has a death vocal in it, and I do think that somewhat that is a descriptor, and so I think oftentimes, like, there is something to be expected from a female singer, and neither more nor less, but, and it doesn't have to be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 01:56:14.460 --> 01:56:43.160 I like female singers. It's just it brings a certain. But like John said, I don't ever just go. It's a female fronted band. I'm always like, it's a female fronted melodic death metal band from Sweden. You know, it's just one of many things that I use to describe it. But the point, my whole point of bringing it onto this episode and putting it on the script was that I want to stop using that. However, I feel like I still need some way to describe this. 01:56:44.480 --> 01:57:13.700 How about you just do this? It's a... I don't care, Cux. Let them read. I mean, I think this makes sense. I think this makes sense. It's a subdescriptor. It's not a descriptor, it's a subdescriptor. So you could say, like, you know, you can have your genre of metal, it's a death, it's a melodic death doom band that, oh, by the way, the lead singer is a woman. So you just flip the order of introduction of said fact about said band, yeah. Because there's, you know, 01:57:15.020 --> 01:57:39.020 We know. You're going to get Kitty out. Kitty sound effect. Oh, that's the kitty. There we go. But I guess the way I look at it, like these guys are Neanderthals. And you know, I didn't do this on purpose, but this one, it just happens to be right next to this one. 01:57:47.080 --> 01:58:14.440 There's a long-running joke about Casey. I think my battery's running low. Oh, no. Oh, no. Anyway, my point being is that there's a lot of bands out there that I like that have female lead singers, and there's a lot of bands out there that I don't like that have female lead singers. On the flip side, there's a lot of bands out there that have male lead singers that I 01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:43.900 I've been championing the gathering since day one. I've been a huge fan of who's in the band or what they look like. I just don't understand when this turned into a genre. My issue with it is if you don't want that to be that way, then some bands shouldn't market the band as the first person in the picture is always the female singer and all the guys are standing way in the background. 01:58:44.520 --> 01:59:14.040 I guess I just see it as playing both sides of the same coin. Well, just because you notice the woman first in front of everybody else doesn't mean she's out front, man. It's just the way you see it, you know? I mean, that's the way you're looking at that picture. You go, oh, look, boobies. Oh, boy. Oh, no. That's what you're doing. It's boobies. You're just turning into a whole thing, man. Did you not see Almost Famous? No, it's not that at all. Almost Famous, the t-shirt. That's the whole argument, you know? I know, I know, I know. Remember the Jeff Bebe band? Nobody wants to be called the Jeff Bebe band. 01:59:14.040 --> 01:59:43.560 But do you remember the t-shirt though? The t-shirt is they're all like, they are literally in shadow. Yeah, they're silhouettes. Yeah, they're all silhouettes. And then they get their big break, and then Jeff Beebe's the last guy in the back of the line, and you can't even see him. That's when he complained about the whole movie. I would just offer up one thing, and that is that it is still such a minority, truly, in the middle world. No matter how many you see out there, it's still a huge minority, comparatively speaking. And we're probably still learning how to talk about it. 01:59:43.660 --> 02:00:13.120 And that's the truth. Literally, it's not. There just aren't as many females. Actually, what I read and what I was reading mostly about that, there was some accusatory stuff like that, but it really wasn't at that level at this point. Because, I mean, it's still, I think it's still instructional, right? We're learning how to talk about that and learning what we should say about that stuff. It wasn't that long ago that everything was gay, and that was a bad word. 02:00:13.160 --> 02:00:43.060 or you know what I mean? It's like, and you just didn't, until you realize it and you learn, you can stop. And like you're saying, George, you know, you just got to learn to, to, to phrase it differently. And I honestly, I think, and I think you're right about just kind of changing the order. It, you know, you're a doom band. Okay. Well, what, what makes you unique as a doom band? All right. Well, these guitars do this and this does this. And the, the, the female lead singer does this and the, you know, like it's part of the description, but it's not the descriptor. 02:00:43.160 --> 02:01:12.620 of what the band stands for and is. And I think that's what they were kind of getting at the essence. I'll tell you what, we are never going to win or figure this argument out. I'll tell you why. You're not, because I think some bands out there are proud of the fact that they're, you know, the lead singer is a woman. And sometimes they want that to be like the front and center. And sometimes it's like, no, that's not the whole point. And how are we to know sometimes, unless you read their own descriptor. 02:01:12.680 --> 02:01:42.300 And a case in point is here in the DC area, every year they have the Valkyrie Fest. What is the Valkyrie Fest? It's an entire festival of bands that are female-fronted. I like that you turned that around there. Firstly, you didn't, you didn't, you tried to turn it around? You could have said, yeah. But I, you know, I just want to know two things. The whole point is, like, you don't know because, like, some bands celebrate it, some bands, like, were no different than anyone else. It's like, no, you're not going to be right no matter what you say. There I am. 02:01:42.340 --> 02:02:12.320 But it is a metal thing. It's a unique... Somebody said it earlier. It's a very unique thing and it's a minority thing. So therefore, we... And just by saying it's female-fronted or whatever, I don't see how that necessarily is... I guess some people see that as like, oh, it's a derogatory thing. It's not. I don't know. I guess it seems... 02:02:12.340 --> 02:02:42.300 I'll say one last thing about it. I think it also plays the genre. If it's a doom band, I'm not going to mention it's just a female singing. There's so many doom bands that I like have female singers. But if I said to you, hey, Georgia, Chuck, this is a female fronted, it's a symphonic band. You know, you may not like symphonic music because that seems to be the genre that I don't like because it's gotten so out of hand. To me, it's just genre based. I mean, like when I first heard Arch Enemy, I had to tell my 02:02:43.040 --> 02:03:11.440 That's a woman singing. And she's absolutely just destroying the album. She's amazing. If you suggested, and I don't know if you guys like it that much, but if I suggested Royal Thunder to anybody, I wouldn't say anything about the girl. No. I actually would because she's an amazing player. She is a great singer. It just doesn't stand out to me somehow. But also, I want to know how to... We have to decide a way to actually type and represent this. Hashtag me too. 02:03:12.320 --> 02:03:42.020 We've got to find a death metal way to write that down. Because no matter what you do, there's somebody that's going to say, why do you have to say anything at all? You don't say, like you said earlier, you don't say male-fronted. So you shouldn't say female-fronted or in any way indicate a genre, not a genre, a gender. And people should just figure it out when they hear it. And I can't disagree with that. I feel like... 02:03:42.340 --> 02:04:11.660 And by nature of who we are, we are talking from a place of privilege compared to a lot of others. So that's kind of the point behind some of that stuff. And it's not supposed to be like, you're fucking evil, you need to stop saying this. It's supposed to be, I think, more educational, like I said at this point. It's more at that point where, hey, start thinking about this because it's going to get to that point. 02:04:15.620 --> 02:04:41.700 If Rob Halford had not come out, had come out earlier in his career, like before it even started, they would have been that metal band with the gay singer. Yeah. Yeah. But now he's just fucking Rob Halford. And so it's true that it's fair that we let everybody get to that place, you know, where you're, it's just so-and-so. It'll take some time. It'll take some time. And it's still kind of unique. We're about to get into the new releases and it's going to be 02:04:41.740 --> 02:05:11.700 here in a minute. So we'll have to see what we do here. Let's do it. Well, let's go for it. Let's just. How will he? How will he approach it? Let's see what happens here. Okay. New releases. First one, Apostle of Solitude from Gold to Ash. It's the fourth album from an Indiana new metal band. And it's a kind of a traditional 02:05:12.360 --> 02:05:41.500 Doom. One of the guys, formerly two of the guys from Gates of Slumber. And I had no idea this was even coming out until a couple days ago when Greg posted something about it on Facebook or Twitter. And I was like, oh, all right. But I'm digging it. Oh, so you've heard it. Is it in the box? No. That's all right. I'm just curious. But you've heard it. It's on iTunes. My notes are the first couple of riffs. 02:05:41.560 --> 02:06:09.560 I heard it reminds me a lot of the sword. It's like it's like kind of mashup of the sword high on fire and old Macedon but the the music is really cool the vocals are just sort of could be a little bit better in my opinion but a lot of sword in there I heard. Old sword I hope. Yeah old sword yes old sword like old high on fire old not old high on fire but old sword old Macedon high on fire. 02:06:12.940 --> 02:06:41.040 Next up is Ataraxy, Where All Hope Fades. This is their second album, and they're a Spanish Death Doom band. And I dig this. I know John was listening to this. Yeah, I dig it too. I like it. Okay, here we go. Here's the first one. This is a band called Insect Arc, and their album... About which there is nothing unique or interesting to say. No, wink, wink, nothing to see here. The album's called Marrow Hymns. 02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:48.500 I believe it's their second album it's instrumental cinematic doom both of and I think 02:06:48.580 --> 02:06:56.280 there's two people both of these ladies have been in other bands that you know of however I did not write 02:06:56.280 --> 02:07:01.780 them down so you're gonna have to look that one up yourself but it's it's it's very interesting 02:07:02.260 --> 02:07:08.980 instrumental music like I said it's sort of cinematic it's it's doom but it's not typical so 02:07:10.500 --> 02:07:38.900 It sounded like shoegaze to me, not to be confused with. Not going there. Post-black metal. Well done. I don't know how you, John, that was pretty clever. I want you to do the talking if we ever get pulled over drunk. Trust me, Jay, I can handle that part. No, no problem. Next up, we have the new Necrophobic album that just came out today, Mark of the Necrogram. 02:07:39.460 --> 02:08:08.960 This is the eighth album from a Swedish death black band. I've been following them for their last few albums and I was anticipating this one and I wasn't disappointed. I know Will didn't like it. No. Are you serious? I thought you said you didn't like it. No, I literally, if you can read my notes, it says I like it. I stand corrected. I just gave away some of my... You actually wrote it. No, I did. Well, I... 02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:37.660 This is what I'm going to do. Ready? I'm going to try and fold this. I believe you. You don't have to. I believe you. Hold on. Hold on. I can't see that. I'm trying to cover up the skull crusher questions. I apologize. I was wrong. I thought you said you didn't like it. It was probably something else. Yeah, probably you. Sorry. Nice. 02:08:38.980 --> 02:09:08.940 It's black and death metal. I like that. That's why I thought you would like it, but anyway. I must have been drunk. Okay, next one. Oceans of Slumber, The Banished Heart. Third album from a Houston band. Do you know these guys? These people? Like, know them, know them? Not actually like know them, know them. I just mean, you know, they're from Texas. Are you familiar with them? Oh, yeah. I'm definitely familiar with them. But for what it's worth, Chuck, we are going to assume you know everybody in Texas. That's not what I meant. I just meant, have you heard of them? 02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:38.960 I actually have met Billy Gibbons and yeah yeah in like the weirdest random places you see Billy Gibbons are just kind of weirdies no no well I like a beard club there was a beard competition and I did see him at that but actually the first time I ever met that dude was in like a retro club like a like a 80s retro dance club at like one in the morning and he bought me a drink you know it's really weird it's just really weird and random 02:09:39.000 --> 02:10:08.580 them. That's cool. No, I don't actually know these people. I only meant had you heard of them. Yes, I have heard of them. And I have listened to this record. It's not very metal. There's some harsh vocals on there. I don't know. They've got much better stuff than what I'm hearing. 02:10:08.620 --> 02:10:38.320 that's so far on this record. All right. John, what did you think? I thought there were metal parts on it. Just my take on it. It's definitely very non-metal singing. What are you talking about? Oceans of Slumber. Are you talking, Will? Will was like, did you guys talk about Clutch? He kind of woke up there for a second. It's kind of metal? That sounds like it's right in my alley. Well, whether you think it's metal or not, you should listen. 02:10:38.660 --> 02:11:08.560 because she's an outstanding lead singer for any band you could ever hear. I think she has an amazing voice. Is this a new thing or is it like second, third record? It's her second with them, but it's the third for the band. And you guys knew about them before. Last album. Yeah. Their last album was good too. All right. This next one was brought to my attention by Greg. Thank you, Greg. Sacred Leather, Ultimate Force. What do you think that is? 02:11:09.999 --> 02:11:38.260 It's a classic early 80s style heavy metal from Indiana as well. And homosexual power grind. Close. No, that's not that's not what it is. Oh, well, it is from Indiana. So probably actually the first thing I thought was leather charm. Like, you know, Hetfield's band before Metallica. But also. 02:11:38.620 --> 02:12:07.820 Leather Tuscadero. Pinky Tuscadero. No, Leather was her sister. Her sister. Yeah, come on, get it right. Thank you, Joe. Excuse me. I don't remember which one Leather was. Anyway, it's a decent album. I haven't given it too much of a listen yet, but it scratches the itch of old school, early 80s metal with kind of cheesy titles. 02:12:09.260 --> 02:12:38.580 More so than Dream Troll? No. Dream Troll. Did I put them on here anywhere? No, you did not. I did. Why didn't I? That was an oversight. Let's talk about them now. Dream Troll. They had an album last year, unfortunately, because I didn't write this down. I don't remember. Night of Vengeance or something like that. What grabbed me and what I told these guys about was the first song on the album. I'm listening to the lyrics and I'm like, wait, I know. 02:12:38.640 --> 02:13:07.980 these things. And it's, it doesn't say it anywhere, but it is a song about the game Golden Axe. Because he's talking about Death Adder and like the village, the turtle village and all this stuff. And I was like, dude, wait a minute. And it's, it's a power metal that doesn't suck. It's, it's not like so over the top, like so much power metal. That's, that's an oxymoron, but power metal that doesn't suck. No, it's, it's a little more refined than a lot of, 02:13:09.160 --> 02:13:09.800 power metal. 02:13:11.860 --> 02:13:14.120 And like I told these guys, it's like, I don't hate this. 02:13:14.560 --> 02:13:16.120 And even Will said, you know, I don't hate this. 02:13:17.480 --> 02:13:18.200 Yeah, it was kind of weird. 02:13:18.280 --> 02:13:19.660 I was expecting just to hate it. 02:13:19.660 --> 02:13:22.580 And I was kind of like, that's kind of not bad. 02:13:23.020 --> 02:13:26.140 So they had a full length album last year and an EP that just came out. 02:13:27.240 --> 02:13:28.780 And unfortunately, I didn't write any of that down. 02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:30.740 But Dream Troll, not too hard to find. 02:13:32.640 --> 02:13:35.180 Next up is one that I'm really looking forward to. 02:13:36.100 --> 02:13:37.800 The new album from Slugge. 02:13:41.020 --> 02:14:06.980 Esoteric malacology. These guys are like a black death thrash band from the UK. And most of their songs are like funny, like takes on other songs like Spore Ensemble, Salters of Madness. They're all kind of like snail themed. And you go, oh, this is like silly music. But then you listen to it and it's just fucking awesome. That's great. Yeah. 02:14:07.080 --> 02:14:37.060 I know you guys have talked about this before and I never really just I don't know if it's not that I never took it seriously just I always just kind of thought it was like oh it's gonna be some some bizarre avant-garde whatever and then doing the research for the podcast I went and looked up the new the one song that iTunes is released for new album I was like oh my god this is really good so I went back and I looked at the Cosmic Cornucopia that's a collection right and I 02:14:37.100 --> 02:15:06.640 I bought it within five seconds of listening to it. Tonight. I was like, wow, this is really good. Yeah. I mean, I've got, I think, everything. But I mean, which, by the way, can you tell what is that a takeoff of, George? The esoteric malacology. It's got to be a takeoff of something. You know, I haven't really thought about it. I'm trying to remember what it might be. But yeah, most of their song titles. The second song on the new record is called Crop Killer. 02:15:06.680 --> 02:15:34.220 Yeah, I saw that. Oh, and Slave. Look at number four. The number four song is called Slave Goo World. I mean, you would think they are a joke in a sort of way, but the music is rad. Yeah, that's a funny thing. The music is unbelievable. I'm super excited about this record. The last one was on my year-end, what was that, 2017? 15, probably. 15? 02:15:36.700 --> 02:15:42.640 has come up a huge step this this year so um i have high hopes for this record i pre-ordered it 02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:47.580 vinyl which is already sold out i think how can you not be sold on a band that sings about 02:15:48.080 --> 02:15:53.120 slugs and snails name a song called the toxic salt yeah i mean that alone is just unbelievably funny 02:15:53.460 --> 02:15:57.620 they do everything right i found this i mean i think i said told you guys this well but i found this 02:15:57.880 --> 02:16:02.220 i i go to the john do you follow on facebook the vault of sci-fi is that one of the things you follow 02:16:02.220 --> 02:16:32.019 Yes, definitely. I love all the book covers. They had this amazing picture of this space slug, so I sent it to these guys. The only thing they sent me back via Facebook was, Mollusca would be proud. That's right. Like space slug from Star Wars? No, I'll have to send it to you. It's just like some, not Frank Rosetta, but some weird imagining that some sci-fi artist came up with. George and I are definitely fans, and it sounds like, 02:16:32.080 --> 02:17:02.019 Will's a new fan. I look to this to be a lister this year. Yeah, for sure. Based on the one song I heard, I can see that happening. Although there are so many, so many good albums coming out this year that I think it's going to be a free-for-all, to be honest. There's a lot coming down. Well, there's an album that we're going to be talking about a little later that I'm like, how could this not be on my list? And I was like, well, because I know of at least 20 other well-known artists that I really like. 02:17:02.059 --> 02:17:31.300 I like that are putting out material this year. And now, George, you're allowed to put them on. You put creator on your list last year, so you are now allowed to put famous artists on your list. Yes. That's right. He's breaking ground there. I don't remember if this was on last week, George, but just because of where the S is, I would also mention that there's a new Skeletal Remains record forthcoming, and you can listen to an advanced track on that as well. And it's also the new FlexiDisc on the desk. Oh, is it? I just got that today. 02:17:31.420 --> 02:18:01.240 And I totally get what they do. Skelto domains or skeletal remains? Remains. Yeah. We got that one wrong last episode. I'm making fun of myself. Oh, that's right. Anywho. Yes. Next one, the new Solstice album, White Horse Hill. This is only the third album from this UK doom band that hasn't put out an album in 20 years. But they've been always been one of those bands that you hear mentioned when they talk about traditional doom. And I like it. I mean, you know, 02:18:01.420 --> 02:18:31.219 is what it is, but I like it. Yeah, I listened to it today. It's pretty cool. I couldn't find it. It's the only one I couldn't find. It's on Bandcamp. That's why I looked on iTunes. I think it's on Spotify as well. Yeah, it's out there. Okay. And the last one, the new Usurprous album, Interregnum. They're a Swedish progressive death band. It's their fourth album. I say progressive death. They're really just sort of a death metal band. But then they, 02:18:31.440 --> 02:19:00.260 Seems very atmospheric to me. Yeah, I read something that they were like, they tagged on the prog label themselves because they wanted to expand the borders of death metal or some such thing. And, you know, there's some little bit of clean vocals and like some clean guitars and stuff. So it's not straight up pure death. But I like their last album and I like this one too. Awesome. All right, let's get into the Skull Crushers. Can we take a pee break? 02:19:00.420 --> 02:19:03.559 to mention that actually before we got into new releases. Let's do that. 02:19:09.400 --> 02:19:14.139 So this time on Skill Crushers, John has chosen to go up against Judas Priest. 02:19:14.710 --> 02:19:18.340 Yeah, just real quick. I'm terrible at these things. 02:19:18.340 --> 02:19:20.760 You don't want disclaimers, dude. John's always like, I don't know. 02:19:21.170 --> 02:19:30.360 I don't know shit about bands, but I will say this. Two things. I thought Priest would be appropriate given the news about Glenn Tipton because it just would be fun. 02:19:30.400 --> 02:20:00.260 to go back and listen to stuff and do a little research. But I will say this. I can guarantee you TR is going to skull crush me for missing all these questions because he's the priest fan. So that'll be funny. We should have TR kind of come in just for this segment. Yeah. He would have killed me. All right. Well, why don't we start with Chuck? You have a question for him? What now? Oh, boy. Question of questions. Whatever you've got. Hang on. Let's see here. 02:20:01.420 --> 02:20:27.760 Oh, about Judas Priest. What was the name of Tim the Ripper Owens' tribute band? Oh, that was one of my questions. God damn it. Oh, God. I'm going to just cross them out. This was me last time. Yeah, but anyway. I know this tune. I can't even think of it. I've heard it. Think album names. Yeah. Hmm. 02:20:31.879 --> 02:21:00.340 Judas Priest album movies. Yeah, yeah, not just random album names, like Priest album movies. Greatest tips. Blackwater Park. I've drawn a blank. I know this too, and I've drawn a blank. I think, at least, I'm trying to leave you around a little bit. No, I got nothing that will get any closer. Well, you go, okay, breaking the law. Okay. British Steel. There you go. 02:21:00.400 --> 02:21:29.660 All right. Without the question mark. The, um, all right. Okay. Well, that was a tough one to be fair. I was actually thinking of his actual other band and it was fucking me up. So. All right. What was his other band? Now I don't remember. Busted. That was the follow up. Wasn't it like winter something winter's pain or something? Or is that James LaBrie? I can't remember. He's in charge of the dam. All right. Did you have any more Chuck? 02:21:31.439 --> 02:21:58.100 As you're trying to eat. Sorry, snacks, man. What year did Rob Halpert come out of the closet? Oh, man. You know, it's funny you bring this up because I was just saying to George, I grew up in San Francisco and I knew from day one. It never even dawned on me. So when he announced it, I was like, oh, whatever. I didn't even pay attention. I thought you already told us that. 02:22:00.380 --> 02:22:25.600 What year did he come out of the closet? I want to say... The Leather's Captain hat that you knew right away. I mean, come on. Those videos during Killing Machine and the Bird of Steel. Incidentally, we've talked about the song titles. I'll give you a minute to think, John. I'm helping you stall. We're talking about the song titles like Jawbreaker, and I've decided that Rock Hard, Ride Free is a song about unprotected sex. 02:22:30.400 --> 02:23:00.100 Yeah, Jay, go back and listen to Rock Forever and tell me what you think that's about. Okay, all right. I'm going to say it's in the 90s. Yep. Yay? It wasn't in the band at the time. I was going to say, I'm going to guess. I'll say like 96. Close, 98. Okay. I knew it was right around the time when Priest was with Ripper. I just couldn't remember when he came out. Do you remember how he came out or to whom he came out? I think I do. 02:23:00.400 --> 02:23:30.360 I think it was out magazine that it's a it was a it was in an MTV interview yeah it's on there yeah did he grand marshal right after that in Phoenix did that happen pretty quickly after that pretty quick he took the mantle up and really did some sort of very visible gay community things so it's probably not too long after that yeah because he was never about publicly doing that much not because he was afraid to he just didn't feel like doing it I think from what I read you never I never I never hear him 02:23:30.360 --> 02:23:31.400 He doesn't talk much about it. 02:23:31.420 --> 02:23:33.260 Mentioned a significant other at all, by the way. 02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:33.720 No. 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:42.580 Trust me, he's one of those cats that I would love to interview again for an extended period of time. 02:23:43.080 --> 02:23:51.080 I've gotten to interview him, but that would be one where I need my co-host, my godless, to ask the really awkward questions. 02:23:52.880 --> 02:23:53.720 Rob's the man, dude. 02:23:53.800 --> 02:23:54.300 He really is. 02:23:55.100 --> 02:23:59.300 He's a great guy to interview, and he's the consummate professional. 02:23:59.960 --> 02:24:29.780 That's why I would love to like try to put him on his heels and start talking about homosexuality and stuff. So would we ever classify Juice Priest as a gay-fronted metal band? No, no, no. Well, we said that earlier. No, you wouldn't. I mean, you wouldn't. We're past that now, man. We're past that. Yeah, the rest of us involved. We all come on. Cro-Magnet motherfucker. So name Rob Halford's side projects, the other bands. So there's Fight. Yep. 02:24:29.960 --> 02:24:59.300 Halford. Yep. He has one more though, doesn't he? With John 5. Oh, and I like John 5 too. He just said it. John 5? Oh, fuck. I like John 5 too. That's the name of the band? No. How'd he just stumble into it like that? He really did just say it, George? You said the word. Yeah, I said fight and Halford. 02:24:59.960 --> 02:25:29.140 You said it again. Yep. Oh. Two? Yes, there you go. What's going to say? Do I have to say fight and Halford again? To be fair, he said... Oh, no, no, he did say two. Wait, wait, is this turned into a taxi episode? What does a yellow light mean? Go like hell. That's what my grandpa would tell you. All right. 02:25:29.940 --> 02:25:58.860 Anymore? Let's see. I don't know if you thought those were tough. What were the names of the kids that committed suicide because of Judas Priest that were the base of the case against Judas Priest? I can tell you that. Not completely out of the realm that you might have known that, John. I'm going to tell you this is all I know. It was a Reno, Nevada. I just read it yesterday. The one guy, I think the one that lived. 02:26:00.600 --> 02:26:01.920 I can't even pronounce his name. 02:26:02.420 --> 02:26:02.880 Looking at it. 02:26:03.300 --> 02:26:03.980 The Boy Who Lived. 02:26:04.480 --> 02:26:06.240 Yeah, I had to look up one of them. 02:26:06.360 --> 02:26:09.600 I could remember James Vance, but I couldn't remember. 02:26:11.060 --> 02:26:11.440 What's his name? 02:26:11.580 --> 02:26:13.600 Ray Belknap, I think is his name. 02:26:14.140 --> 02:26:14.720 Is the other guy? 02:26:14.960 --> 02:26:15.300 The other guy. 02:26:15.500 --> 02:26:18.600 Maybe a more relevant question, though, and I honestly don't know the answer, but what 02:26:18.700 --> 02:26:20.220 was the song that made them commit suicide? 02:26:20.400 --> 02:26:22.480 Oh, it was Better Than You. 02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:23.720 Well, let's ask John. 02:26:24.580 --> 02:26:25.260 You got it. 02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:25.780 There you go. 02:26:26.680 --> 02:26:56.120 The Spooky Tooth Song, Better Than You, Better By Me. Or Better By You, Better Than Me. Off of Stained Class. John, Tractor Beam. That's good. That's good. That's better than knowing the kids' names. So that takes away one of my questions. And also, you should probably go delete that song, Will. And everybody. I mean, I'm just looking for you guys. Subliminal messages. Do it. Do it. Suicide Solution. 02:26:56.660 --> 02:27:26.580 By the way, Chuck, you mentioned that. Do you guys still remember seeing their faces sitting in the courtroom? I still remember all of them. Especially since it was Turbo era, and so Rob had that really bad Rob haircut. The one where his was a little too long for what he could support. But I do remember it. Just sitting there, just sick to their stomachs. The 80s were fucked up for a long time. I have this book, this really great book I would recommend to all of you called Satanic Panic. And it's all about that movement. 02:27:26.680 --> 02:27:56.640 in the 80s and it's towards everything books movies but there's a whole of course section on heavy metal and it's it's just stunning it was so stone age man this shit that was such a weird did you watch the little uh dream deceiver thing it was like an hour long tv spot that was sort of documenting it no yeah i like that i ordered it on like amazon and it came and it came in like a cardboard sleeve and was only an hour long i was like that sucks but you know it was it was interesting 02:27:57.460 --> 02:28:26.100 It's about the court case you mean? Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah, they like interview the guy with the messed up face and everything. And what was that? Yeah, you know, he has like no mouth and no jaw. Sure. So I thought he died like right afterwards. Like, yeah, yeah, he's dead now. But he didn't he didn't die right away. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's dead now. I think he lived for a couple of years, but his face was fucked up. 02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:27.980 Thanks. Damn. 02:28:30.719 --> 02:28:32.480 Chuck, are you still firing away? 02:28:32.600 --> 02:28:33.920 You feel free if you got more. 02:28:34.280 --> 02:28:35.440 No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. 02:28:35.960 --> 02:28:36.780 All right. That brings us to Will. 02:28:38.020 --> 02:28:38.360 All right. 02:28:40.020 --> 02:28:42.160 I'm going to give you a softball. 02:28:44.800 --> 02:28:45.640 We'll see about that. 02:28:45.980 --> 02:28:46.080 Yeah. 02:28:50.780 --> 02:28:52.200 I got two softballs for you. 02:28:52.600 --> 02:29:21.960 What two albums did Juice Priest release in 1978? Staying Class would be the first one. Yep. The second one would be, depending on what country you lived in. That's the bonus question. Originally Killing Machine. A little too intense, the record label thought, for America, so it was called Hellbound for Leather. Exactly. So you answered the first. 02:29:22.620 --> 02:29:24.720 Basically, my first two softball questions. 02:29:25.580 --> 02:29:25.740 Well done. 02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:38.700 My next question is, what song did the PMRC lift me alive? 02:29:39.520 --> 02:29:39.820 Yeah. 02:29:40.400 --> 02:29:46.060 And why did they think it was, so this is just kind of like ancillary, but why did they think it was so offensive? 02:29:48.520 --> 02:29:48.740 Well. 02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:51.860 I mean, let's be honest here. 02:29:52.380 --> 02:30:20.900 It was about penises, that's right. I don't know how to answer that. Something about that album, Jawbreaker, Eat Me Alive. What's going on there? Rock Hard. And now Rock Hard Ride Free is the new one. I know, and it's my favorite Priest album, as I say. Heavy Duty. I'm telling you, dude, the more I think about that title, Rock Hard Ride Free, the more it makes me laugh. And I love Priest, and that's not going to change my attitude. It just sounds like the unprotected sex anthem. 02:30:21.940 --> 02:30:50.720 I'm going to guess it's cannibalism. No, no, no. It's actually oral sex at gunpoint. How did you not get that? Sounds like my regular weekend. Why does that keep happening to me? Saturday night. Awesome. All right, cool. So, John, this is going to be a challenging one. 02:30:51.920 --> 02:31:20.420 They're all challenging. No lyrics this time. What I want you to do, I want you to name the first song off all the Priest albums. Minus the Ripper ones. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They're Priest albums. So, if you don't know, you don't know it. But I'll just say, what's the first song on Rockarolla? No, I couldn't tell you. 02:31:21.940 --> 02:31:51.760 to that one, John? Trick question. Who gives a shit? I will let you know it's one for the road. All right. What's the first song on Sad Wings of Destiny? Is that Victim of Changes? Yep. All right. Got that one. What is the first song on Sin After Sin? Sinner. Yep. Exciter. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, is that like Family Feud? Did I press the button before Steve Harvey? 02:31:55.319 --> 02:32:21.620 I don't know what to do here. John, you're frozen, so I don't know who answered that. First song on Hellbat for Letters slash Killing Machine. Delivering the goods. First song off British Steel. Depends on where the album was released. God damn it. He says he can't answer these and he's like, what? If it's the original, 02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:24.440 which is the proper release, it's Rapid Fire. 02:32:24.920 --> 02:32:25.440 That's what I have. 02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:28.040 If it's the U.S. release, it's Breaking the Law. 02:32:28.700 --> 02:32:29.660 I have to be honest with you, John. 02:32:29.750 --> 02:32:30.600 I didn't know that. 02:32:30.730 --> 02:32:32.620 I know Rapid Fire is the only way I know it. 02:32:32.710 --> 02:32:38.720 It absolutely pisses me off because my original album that I have has Breaking the Law as the opening track. 02:32:39.580 --> 02:32:44.360 I also lied to you that Copy the Machine does have Green Man Alicia on it, so I'm confused. 02:32:45.420 --> 02:32:48.560 It's the reissue with The Killing Machine on the album cover. 02:32:48.790 --> 02:32:49.620 It still has Green Man Alicia. 02:32:50.420 --> 02:32:50.940 That's weird. 02:32:51.620 --> 02:32:51.800 All right. 02:32:51.860 --> 02:33:21.820 Anyway, so keep going. Point of entry. Point of entry. Heading out to the highway. Screaming for vengeance. The hellion. Into the electric eye. I actually have hellion slash electric eye. Thank you. Defenders of the faith. Free will burning. Man, you are fucking destroying this. We're getting to the tough stuff now. You know what? Your video is frozen, so I have 02:33:21.840 --> 02:33:51.620 I can't look into your glasses. He looks triumphant. I'll just tell you right now. He looks triumphant. Big triumphant. Throbbing blue vayner. All right. Some of these get easy. Turbo. Don't fucking care. Oh. Wrong. I don't know what it is. Out in the cold. To be fair, in Canada, 02:33:51.860 --> 02:34:21.820 The first song was Don't Fucking Care. I don't know. What is it? Out in the cold? I don't know. I think it's Turbo. Turbo Lover. Oh, God. Okay. This is why they get easier. Ram it down. Ram it down. Painkiller. Painkiller. All right. This is going to get easier. Now they're going to get really hard. Forget that. Just get these. No, no, no, no. All right. And one of these is going to be the 02:34:21.860 --> 02:34:49.600 The George Throwdown, I'll Blow You If You Get This. Not this one. So, Jugulator. Did you just pimp George out, by the way? What? Did you just pimp George out? Did you say George out? Is that what you just did? No, no, because when I did the Camel Corps, he said, Oh, you had an offer to be fun. Because I was like, wow, man, that's pretty casual, Will. Throwing George around like that. He owes me. 02:34:51.860 --> 02:35:21.360 I don't even know. Exactly. Very good. All right. So this is the one that I think is kind of like the George throwdown. If you get this, I'll love you. So what's the first song off? Demolition. I don't know. Okay. I mean, I had the album, but I don't know. It's Machine Man. Still don't know. You told me and I don't even know. All right. 02:35:25.479 --> 02:35:51.720 One of the great late-era pre-songs, by the way. Yes, I know. And I can't... I'm drawing a blank right now. Because there was two singles I heard right off the bat. And Revolution is like the third song off the album. Fuck. I mean, just think Rob is back. How would you want to come out of the box? I know the song, too. Because then the one before that is Race with the Devil. There's a deal with the devil. Yeah, you're on a race. 02:35:51.880 --> 02:36:20.700 You're going in the right direction. I'm going backwards, yeah. It's a song title that almost implies Judas Priest is back. Yeah, I've drawn a blank here, but I know the song, obviously. Go ahead and tell me. Judas is rising. Oh, Judas is rising, yes. Great song. I love that song. So, 16th album, Nostradamus. What's the first song? I'm going to be honest. I've heard a fourth song off this album. 02:36:21.440 --> 02:36:51.000 It's probably called Overture. It better be since that record's like four hours long. I think the only song I know is Prophecy because they played it when I saw them and that was it. It's called Dawn of Creation. The next one, Redeemer of Souls, first song, which I think is one of their better songs. I don't know. Is it Dragon Knot or something? I don't know. And bonus question. Upcoming album. 02:36:51.440 --> 02:37:20.780 Firepower. What is the first song? You know, I haven't even looked at the song, so I wouldn't know. Firepower, I don't know. It's one of the ones that was released. Exactly. Firepower. Seriously, well done. I mean, you nailed a lot. I mean, that's 18 albums. You take pride in the ones you didn't know, John, because those are the ones that are winning the look. Is that all for you, Will? All right. All right, I'll do it pretty quick. 02:37:21.920 --> 02:37:50.820 This one's really obscure, though, so you can bail quick if you want, John. But when the movie Top Gun came out, they were actually considering a Priest song instead of Danger Zone by Kenny Loggins, and it was going to be the main song for the movie. Oh, God. And I'll let it narrow down for you and tell you it's on the record you hate the most. Yeah. Oh. And it would have worked, it kind of sounds like. I don't know. I'll say locked in. I don't even know. It's called Reckless. Reckless, okay. But I do know that they were considered for that. 02:37:51.420 --> 02:38:19.440 What band was Scott Travis in before Priest? Seriously? Racer X. Was that easy for you? Paul Gilbert. What was Priest's first platinum album in the United States? And it's probably not what you think it is. You like the platinum gold status question. I've noticed. It's a good one. It's hard. I didn't do any lyrics this time. 02:38:21.440 --> 02:38:22.880 I actually just heard about this. 02:38:23.160 --> 02:38:24.920 I think you might be surprised if you. 02:38:31.479 --> 02:38:33.900 I think I have a. 02:38:35.900 --> 02:38:36.640 I'm going to just guess. 02:38:37.280 --> 02:38:38.520 Either say Turbo or Painkiller. 02:38:39.840 --> 02:38:40.300 Go ahead Will. 02:38:40.940 --> 02:38:41.900 I think it's Ram It Down. 02:38:43.480 --> 02:38:43.960 Brace yourselves. 02:38:44.340 --> 02:38:45.560 It's Unleashed in the East. 02:38:46.880 --> 02:38:47.440 Are you serious? 02:38:47.700 --> 02:38:49.280 It was the first one to go Platinum in America. 02:38:49.800 --> 02:38:50.760 I don't know if I made that point. 02:38:51.260 --> 02:39:20.560 So then finally, just because in the interest of time, this I personally read from the Screaming for Vengeance tour book, and they had little interviews with KK and Glenn in it. Now, I don't think that matters that much, but KK, they asked them both, and they have this like, what's your favorite food? And then they answer, you know, it's like it was totally like this teenage thing. But they also asked them both, what is their favorite Priest song? And they both had the same answer. And I wonder if you can guess what that is. And Glenn Tipton said, and he says the name of the song, and he says, 02:39:20.600 --> 02:39:50.540 because that's what Judas Priest is all about. And I don't think he means the content of the song. He means that style of song is what we're all about. You'll never get it. You know what? I mean, forget the tour book bullshit. I'm just saying what would be a reasonable thing for them to think is their favorite song? I don't know. Victim of Changes. Nailed it. Because of the twin guitar thing. And I was going to joke, well, I may have actually read that tour book seeing as I was at that show at that tour. I didn't go to the tour, but I had the tour book. I bought it at like Spencer Giffey. 02:39:50.580 --> 02:40:20.020 or something. I was like, this is awesome. All right, cool. Well done. George? All right. From what song did the band take their name? The name is taken from a Bob Dylan song. It's Something Something and Judas Priest. I can't think of the name. It's a person's name. I can't think of it right now, but it's a Bob Dylan song. The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest. Lee and Judas Priest, yes. 02:40:20.600 --> 02:40:50.280 What is the informal nickname for the band? It's also a song. Really? I think George is making shit up. The internet's making shit up. At my house. It's a song, I believe. I don't know. It's the name of a priest song? I don't know. Ripper. From British Steel. 02:40:50.580 --> 02:41:20.560 Are you sure it's not Rob Halford's? No. Well, maybe. Because people call, I think people call Rob Halford the... Metal God? Fair enough. Okay, I thought you were going to say, I thought you were going to say Grindr. Where does the name British Steel come from? This one's hard, so I never even heard this. I just came across it. I don't know. Maybe there's a company in... 02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:50.060 England, they call themselves British Steel. I don't know. Exactly. Yes. Is that what it is? British Steel is the name of a metal manufacturing company that Glenn was apprenticed to. And apparently, I think Rob said he grew up in the neighborhood. And he's like, you know, here's the machinery and the smell of everything. And so, yeah. It is an amazing name for a Judas Priest record, though, isn't it? British fucking Steel. I want to know how that guy didn't cut his hand on the cover. Yeah. Yeah. 02:41:50.600 --> 02:42:19.380 No doubt, dude. All right. Now there's a question that I found that the question was, what is the first Priest long player not to feature a cover song? So apparently they don't count the Roccarola and Sad Wings of Destiny. Yeah, is that a whole Koch versus Sony thing there? So starting with Sin After Sin, what is the next album not to feature a cover song? 02:42:20.600 --> 02:42:48.360 I'm going to go ahead and say that Diamonds and Rust is off of Sin After Sin, and you get the Spooky Tooth off of, that's the band. Better Than Me is off of Staying Class, Green Man Alicia, which is not originally on the album. It would be Killing Machine would be the first one, but if you want to add it to that, it would then be British Steel. All right, that's what I got. Okay. 02:42:49.060 --> 02:43:18.980 I can't believe we're only now coming to our top five. We'll get through them pretty quick. Yeah, we won't. Yeah. So as we do this, we'll start with Chuck. He'll give us his number five. We'll go to John, to Will, to Jay, me, and then back to Chuck for his number four. And then we will speedily work, speedily? Is that a word? Work our way down to number one. I think so. What happens if we all have the same songs? I mean, you know. Then that song will end. 02:43:19.040 --> 02:43:36.120 I'm going to take no end of shit for my list. By the way, I'm a little disappointed no one asked me any Al Atkins songs. By the way, I neglected to mention our top five is Judas Priest, Deep Tracks. We want to see them play on this tour. 02:43:49.040 --> 02:44:18.700 We all made a list. We made a list and we all made a list. We made a list and we all made a list and we're going to tell you all about it right now. Oh, deep tracks. Well, I don't know how deep any of my tracks are. Mine are not particularly deep. And they don't have to be. They don't have to be. Yeah, I mean, I think of things that I really either have to be heard or that I really would love to hear. Yeah, that's the way I looked at it, too. 02:44:21.140 --> 02:44:48.660 But also, maybe possibly slightly that they might not play live, but that's not a necessity. Oh, I know that they won't play a couple of these. There you go. My number five would be Victim of Changes. Cool. And there's a high likelihood they may play it. They'll probably play that. I think they might. But I've seen them play it before, I believe. It's been pretty commonly included in the late era, too. Yeah, yeah. John? Although it was on the Metal Masters tour. 02:44:51.100 --> 02:45:18.700 So I have Chuck's also same qualifiers for the songs I chose, but my final qualifier was these are songs I've never seen live before. So I wanted to make it almost like a deep track for me more than it might be a deep track on album. So my first one, I don't know if this is a deep track, but they don't play this song really at all. And that's, and George will be impressed. I have one song post point of entry, and it's 02:45:18.740 --> 02:45:46.540 Metal Mouth Down from Painkiller. All right. I don't know if it's necessarily a deep track because it was pretty big off the album, but they never play it live. Okay. Well? They'd have to key it down like three notches, man. My whole list is like that. My whole list is quite literally physically impossible at this point. It's a Metal Mouth Down. 02:45:48.740 --> 02:46:17.160 That's when you bring in the backup singers. I'm going to reiterate and second what Chuck and John said about my list is that some of these may not be the biggest deep cuts, but it's I don't think they play them live very often. Some of these are hits, but you know, whatever. This is what I want to hear them play. My number five, Dissident Aggressor. Yes. Yes. Well, I would highly recommend. 02:46:18.720 --> 02:46:48.580 To all of you, there was a live record that came out a few years ago called Touch of Evil, which is not half bad. It's actually very good considering it's a hodgepodge album. It really is. And it's got a very good version of Distant Aggressor. Just a heads up about that. It's a post-2000, post-Rob coming back record. All right, my first one, I did go pretty deep, but not completely across the board. I was going to say Beyond the Roams of Death, but they do do that occasionally, so I think there's a likelihood they might. So instead, I went with Dreamer, 02:46:48.760 --> 02:47:18.700 Deceiver slash Deceiver from Sad Wings of Destiny, which they'll never do in a million years. Old priest. I love it. Yeah. So, but, and I don't see that happening, but that would be something that would really drop my jaw. All right. You ready to, you ready to give me a hard time off of screaming for vengeance? Well, no, that's all right. Take these chains. Oh, I love that song, man. It's so, I would call it a 02:47:18.800 --> 02:47:43.680 for them, you know? And, uh, but I love that. I would call it deep, a deep track too. I doubt that's been a single one. Yeah. All right. But bloodstone to me is like, that's like the secret killer song on that record. Yes. Big time. All right. Chuck. Number four. I'm ready to pelvic thrust to grinder. That's how I met George. 02:47:49.601 --> 02:48:18.700 Dry Humping, baby. Yeah, he took it down. He's like, well, I got a podcast now. There's a phrase now, dry humping like Will at an Iron Maiden concert. It's never ever happened before. It's only dry for about five minutes. There he goes. Five minutes is a long time. Under certain circumstances. All right, John. All right. I have the doobie 02:48:18.740 --> 02:48:45.900 The Next Four Songs, which are all deep tracks, all start with the letter S. So make of that what you will. And some of these songs they've actually played recently, but they're songs they had not played for the longest time until the last couple of tours. My number four from British Steel, Steeler. Oh, damn, fuck yeah, dude. Steeler's fucking rad, dude. I would just love to see them do that ending through the twin guitars. It would be amazing. 02:48:49.360 --> 02:49:18.600 Well? My number four. Kind of slightly a twofer, but it's kind of like the Hellion Electric Eye kind of blend together. I would love to see them end the tour, like the encore night with heavy-duty Defenders of the Faith. Dude, you should have went to the last tour they did. Oh, they did? Yes. It was like, it's just sing-along. 02:49:18.740 --> 02:49:47.680 And we are, as metalheads, we are defenders of this faith. I just thought, I think that would be the most perfect thing for them to end it with. And apparently they did that. Everything that guy said is bullshit. I'm going to go to the exact opposite end of that record for what I think is one of the great 80s priest songs. I skipped over Screaming for Vengeance, but that's because I had to get this in, Free Will Burning. 02:49:48.720 --> 02:50:18.700 I would love to see them do that. And I don't think they've done that since Rob's back. If they have, they haven't done it much. I'm not aware of it. He may have done that solo, but yeah, I think you're right. I don't think they've done it since he's been back. My personal opinion is that Defenders of the Faith is by far the greatest Priest album ever. I say that over Painkiller. Wrong. I agree with Will. Wrong. And stayed class. It's a shame that 02:50:18.740 --> 02:50:19.360 people are like that. 02:50:23.600 --> 02:50:27.200 Hey, Will, you could name 16 other albums and they would all be wrong. 02:50:29.580 --> 02:50:31.160 There is only one. It can be only one. 02:50:31.340 --> 02:50:32.260 There can only be one. 02:50:33.959 --> 02:50:38.980 My number four is probably the only one that I'm going to get any credit for, and that's Dissident Aggressor. 02:50:39.320 --> 02:50:40.280 Oh, nice. 02:50:40.940 --> 02:50:42.340 But I have to ask you guys this question. 02:50:42.660 --> 02:50:46.980 Do you like that song now because you heard it by Priest or because you heard it first by Slayer? 02:50:47.260 --> 02:50:47.460 Exactly. 02:50:47.540 --> 02:51:16.780 No, I will admit I heard it by Slayer first, and then when I went back and listened to it on... It's an afterson. Like, rediscovered my discography that... No, but I think there's a reason why Slayer covered that song. It's a good song. It's great. It's a great song. It's... For its time, it is one of the heaviest fucking songs ever. It is just so heavy. Just a little quick story. When I saw them on the Metal Masters tour, I saw them at Pittsburgh. I was on the lawn. 02:51:17.520 --> 02:51:46.220 on the back of the lawn. There's people, but people are walking around. They're drunk. They're hammered. They're laying on the lawn. People are just doing whatever. That song started. I screamed so loud because they had never played it before that literally people like 100 feet away were looking back. Who's the asshole in the back of the venue? That's this guy's problem. And it was just arms to the ear just going, this is the greatest moment of my fucking life. For that song, because I absolutely love that song. Yeah. Chuck, three. 02:51:47.300 --> 02:52:16.460 I'm at number three off of Painkiller, man. Leather Rebel. Nice. I don't know what my attachment is to that song, but yeah. There's a couple albums. Sorry, Jay, go ahead. Well, no, I take it back. I was going to say, I think that was on that live record I was talking about, but it's not. It's Hell Rider and Between the Hammer and the Anvil. But in any case, sorry. I think there's two albums that every song, 02:52:17.320 --> 02:52:46.540 is phenomenal. And it's Painkiller and Defenders of the Faith. Those are the two albums where I think every goddamn song is phenomenal. It's just like he's slapping me and John in the face over and over and over. You're just like, but that's it. There's nothing else. Hey, Jay, Jawbreaker, eat me alive, okay? Rock hard ride for you. I will rate in your face. Rate in your face. You will like it. Oh, boy. 02:52:47.300 --> 02:52:50.100 Now you really know what Painkiller's all about. 02:52:53.920 --> 02:52:55.380 Alright, me? My next. 02:52:55.920 --> 02:52:58.140 Alright, I'm going to be probably the only person 02:52:58.660 --> 02:53:00.200 to pick a song off the point of entry. 02:53:00.900 --> 02:53:01.000 Maybe. 02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:04.560 But I really feel this song gets forgotten all the time. 02:53:04.680 --> 02:53:05.800 That's Solar Angels. 02:53:11.760 --> 02:53:13.360 I don't really fucking care. 02:53:14.240 --> 02:53:16.140 That just tells me I have four people 02:53:17.159 --> 02:53:45.480 That wasn't a judgment, John. That was just, well, I gotta fill the dead air with something. Just wait till the next asshole picks you. You got another thing coming as one of their deep tracks. I didn't do that. So, scrap my number one. I just hang up on you right now. My number three. 02:53:46.540 --> 02:54:15.520 It's kind of a curious reason why this is my number three, but my kids, who are four and seven, mostly my four-year-old, loves Paw Patrol. So every time Paw Patrol is on, I think of the Hell Patrol off Painkiller, my number three, Hell Patrol. Also on a Touch of Evil record, I'm telling you, you guys need that record. Yeah. Dude, Jay, still the best song off that album. 02:54:15.640 --> 02:54:17.280 those riding with the wind. 02:54:19.340 --> 02:54:20.840 If you're ready to go riding on the wind. 02:54:21.180 --> 02:54:21.420 It's a great, 02:54:21.450 --> 02:54:23.000 I listened to it a bunch when it came out. 02:54:23.060 --> 02:54:23.260 Yeah. 02:54:23.270 --> 02:54:24.300 It is a good live record. 02:54:25.240 --> 02:54:25.420 All right, 02:54:25.560 --> 02:54:25.680 John, 02:54:25.700 --> 02:54:28.820 I'm going to prove you wrong with one of the things that you just said. 02:54:29.000 --> 02:54:32.200 And that is that nobody would choose anything off of point of entry. 02:54:32.680 --> 02:54:32.980 Oh. 02:54:33.480 --> 02:54:34.920 Because I did choose desert planes. 02:54:35.600 --> 02:54:35.800 Oh, 02:54:36.000 --> 02:54:36.160 nice. 02:54:36.940 --> 02:54:37.000 Yeah. 02:54:37.160 --> 02:54:39.680 Which I do think they probably have done to some of these later tours. 02:54:39.870 --> 02:54:40.240 I can't. 02:54:40.630 --> 02:54:40.720 They, 02:54:40.980 --> 02:54:44.400 they've actually played that a little bit more than most songs off that album. 02:54:44.820 --> 02:54:45.080 Fair enough. 02:54:46.140 --> 02:55:13.820 Almost all those songs off that album. But just so you know, after that, I'm going deep. Mine just keeps getting more... George's number three, Living After Midnight. Off of Painkiller, A Touch of Evil. Oh, nice. Also on this live record. I'm telling you, get this fucking live record. It is, dude. Sorry. 02:55:15.200 --> 02:55:45.140 Literally, my battery is about to die on my laptop at this point. We're closing in on this one. Alright, well you're up to number two then. Oh, he's coming again. Wait, wait, wait. Can you hear me? Yeah. We'll get you through quick. No, it's okay. I switched my desktop so I had to switch my audio source. Does it sound weird now? No. It actually sounds really good. We're looking at a still picture that's a little different. 02:55:45.200 --> 02:56:14.720 That's the full beard. Oh, sorry. It only sounds weird because you actually have a nice radio voice compared to the rest of us. Yeah, I don't have a camera hooked up to my desktop, so that's why I use my laptop. You know what? I think Chuck was like, you know what? This is the time of the night when I have got to take my pants off, so I'm going to just tell these guys. I'm actually pooping. Well, at this point, you could be doing anything you want. You will never know. Number two. Okay. 02:56:16.299 --> 02:56:45.140 Number two. All right, number two. Appropriately done, yes. We'll play it, sir. All right, so are we on number two? Is that where we're at? Yeah, so am I. All right, cool. My Dissident Aggressor is my number two. Nice. Just an echo. I love that song. So good. It's a good one. It's a good one. So are you like us, or I should say definitely like me, where you learned of that song because of the Slayer cover? 02:56:45.180 --> 02:57:13.120 on South of Heaven. That's actually where I had started with it. Because I was not a big priest fan in the beginning. In my early middle days. So I missed a lot of it. And that was one that I had come to the other way around. And then realized that it was just as fucking heavy by priests as it was with Slayer. In 1977. Yeah, I know. 02:57:16.340 --> 02:57:44.940 These are super deep tracks. And they're super badass. If you cricket me, I will drive up there and beat your ass tonight. I'm going to do it just so you will. Don't encourage them. Do the crickets first, then. All right, now I'll do it. You know there's going to be a song off of Stay in Class. And I still think this is the best song off the album. It's Saints in Hell. Okay. Yeah, fuck you guys. Oh, no. 02:57:47.081 --> 02:58:11.980 It feels like a spoiler. My number two. A song off screaming for vengeance. Devil's child. I believe you're the devil. Cool. I'm going to actually I have to do something here real quick. I'm going to take a picture of my list because I don't think John will believe me. 02:58:17.459 --> 02:58:18.280 Oh, that's interesting. 02:58:18.540 --> 02:58:19.160 Is it exciting? 02:58:19.300 --> 02:58:20.300 You guys literally have to wait for this. 02:58:20.300 --> 02:58:21.720 Yeah, as he says, I'm going to show you one as well. 02:58:24.340 --> 02:58:24.840 Good point, thanks. 02:58:26.540 --> 02:58:27.380 Just say it. 02:58:27.620 --> 02:58:28.920 Okay, almost there. 02:58:29.420 --> 02:58:30.500 No, not going to happen. 02:58:30.800 --> 02:58:30.880 Sorry. 02:58:31.260 --> 02:58:33.240 Are we getting a dick pic with this, or what are we doing? 02:58:33.739 --> 02:58:34.820 I can't see my own self. 02:58:37.779 --> 02:58:39.620 It's Saints in Hell, number two. 02:58:39.680 --> 02:58:41.560 I just didn't want you to think I did that just for you, John. 02:58:41.600 --> 02:58:42.460 It was there the whole time. 02:58:43.939 --> 02:58:44.640 Take that. 02:58:47.700 --> 02:58:48.960 Easily the best song on that record. 02:58:49.580 --> 02:58:52.400 And also a song that Rob could not sing now. No way. 02:58:52.760 --> 02:58:52.920 No. 02:58:53.340 --> 02:58:54.320 With all due respect to Rob. 02:58:54.740 --> 02:58:59.560 That's kind of where the current Rob Halford, or the Rob Halford of the 80s developed was on that song. 02:59:00.700 --> 02:59:06.280 My number two is one that nobody's ever heard of off of the Defenders of the Faith album. 02:59:07.020 --> 02:59:08.600 But it is one that I just want to see. 02:59:09.580 --> 02:59:39.360 And I checked and I don't think they've played it in the last like five, six years. So the Sentinel. No, I'm trying to say the Sentinel. Oh, you know, I thought that's probably on your list. I could have sworn I saw them play that, but I looked on set list and it wasn't like 2012 was like the last time I saw it on there. Yeah, that was their last tour. No, they've played. So well, minus the the 30th anniversary in the. Yeah. 02:59:41.141 --> 03:00:08.540 All right, back to Chuck for number one. All right, this is one, and I find myself singing this song quite a bit, and it's usually their version of this song, but it's honestly by far my favorite pre-song for some odd reason, but Diamonds and Rust. I only laugh because we were referencing the previous conversation. Like, Diamonds and Rust is one, like, I love that cover. 03:00:09.560 --> 03:00:39.540 So here's my question. And I'm showing my absolute fucking ignorance. But this, the, I guess it was yesterday, I was listening to Sin After Sin. And I was saying, man, there's a lot of Pink Floyd influence on this record. Who is the original person, the band that did Diamonds of Rust? Joan Baez. Joan Baez, right? Oh, okay. Because I was going to say, I was going to say, because when I listened to specifically Diamonds of Rust, 03:00:40.079 --> 03:01:09.540 I remember I was picking up my son from preschool so like I get out of work I turn my phone on and I'm every day on blast with 700 Facebook messenger posts I go through them and I just like oh by the way I was listening to Sin After Sin and Diamonds and Rust and a lot of Pink Floyd like that could that that version sounds like it could came off of a Pink Floyd album in my opinion and I but I loved it I mean it was a great song but very Pink Floyd 03:01:10.140 --> 03:01:39.480 Or Joan Baez. Especially that song. Yeah. But I don't know who the fuck Joan Baez is for some fucking hairy armpit folk singer. So whatever. Oh, you got it. Yeah. You got her number. You're spot on. All right, John. All right. Well, my song is off of the Pink Floyd influenced Sin After Sin album. But I will say that I don't think this song was influenced by Pink Floyd. To me, 03:01:39.540 --> 03:02:08.980 It's still my favorite drum intro to any song ever. 20-year-old Simon Phillips on drums. It's Starbreaker. John, you have the expanded, there's an expanded digital version of Unleashed in the East that has a version of Starbreaker on it. I have, yeah, I have the actual physical copy, yeah. You said deep, and I went so deep, and you're just like, oh, fuck. You said deep. I've never heard that. Oh, I've never heard these songs before. Balls deep. Starbreaker's a good one. 03:02:09.560 --> 03:02:39.520 Yeah, well. Okay. Hey, I didn't cricket you. Who's going to pick? No, hey, no. You're speaking my language, John. So speak your number one. Is it me? Did it go? No, that's me. Sorry. That's right. We were talking about diamonds and rust. I thought that was you for some reason. That was Chuck. My number one, I don't think is that deep of a cut. It was mentioned before, but it is absolutely 03:02:39.640 --> 03:03:09.520 My favorite Judas Priest song ever. And in fact, I had the unbelievable pleasure of doing a collaboration brew with Steve Jones from a brewer with Oliver Ailes up in Baltimore. And we made a smoked red ale called The Sentinel. Nice. If you read, if you listen to the lyrics, it's all about 03:03:09.560 --> 03:03:39.520 Smoke is rising, blood is on the streets and everything. So we're like, well, let's do a smoky red ale called The Sentinel. This is back in like 2015. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. The Sentinel. My favorite juice. My second favorite. Just to continue along John's track and not leaving 03:03:39.780 --> 03:04:08.100 him alone with liking the actually good Judas Priest songs. I would actually choose the title track off of our mutually favorite album, Stay in Class. That sits right next to Saints in Hell on that record, and it's like one of the greatest nine minutes that could have possibly have happened in the 70s. That record is the prototype for every great European metal record that came after it. 03:04:08.580 --> 03:04:37.900 You know what was interesting is I was going through all this. I'm like, I don't have staying class in my iTunes library. And you know the reason why? Because I had it on cassette. Oh, nice. Yeah. It probably sounds better on cassette. Yeah. I mean, it sounds more correct on cassette. Nice. I think that's Chuck's version of a cassette. Oh, that's every cassette. I really can't see you, but it was like, we were like, who put a cassette on? 03:04:39.300 --> 03:05:08.000 I just thought I'd play something for you. Hey, I got my pencil. Give me something to write on. Give me something to write on. I don't feel good. You guys took that reference exactly the wrong way. George, let's hear what your favorite Judy's B song is. Yeah, my favorite song, the one song I would kill to see them play, which they did play on the same tour as they played The Sentinel, from the not-so-super-album Ram It Down. 03:05:08.580 --> 03:05:09.800 Blood Red Skies. 03:05:12.920 --> 03:05:14.300 I don't even know that song. 03:05:16.479 --> 03:05:18.120 Ram It Down was not that bad. 03:05:18.290 --> 03:05:19.140 No, it's no Turbo. 03:05:19.330 --> 03:05:20.260 Turbo was kind of bad. 03:05:21.020 --> 03:05:24.720 I mean, I like Turbo, but people still kind of knock on it. 03:05:24.720 --> 03:05:27.040 I mean, there's not much else on the album that I like. 03:05:28.160 --> 03:05:29.420 It's because, I'll tell you why. 03:05:29.530 --> 03:05:33.720 Because they're bookended by Defenders of the Faith and Painkiller. 03:05:34.160 --> 03:06:03.920 In my opinion, two of their best, absolute, greatest metal albums ever. I'm going that far. You know what might have something to do with it? Is that half of Ram It Down is from Turbo. If I put on Ram It Down, I pretty much just skip to Blood Red Skies, which is one of my all-time favorite songs ever. I fucking love that song. You skip right to Johnny B. Goode. You know, Turbo was supposed to be a double record. It was a twin Turbo. 03:06:04.140 --> 03:06:34.000 What was it called? Twin Turbos. Twin Turbos. Yeah. God. Oh, God. Who stepped in and saved us from that? Normally, I would say Twin Turbos. Oh, that's a reference to boobies. It's probably a reference to balls. Yeah. Or maybe your motorcycle? No, it's balls. And I'm kidding. Because we don't mean to be unkind because we all love Priest and we love Rob. So it's not. That's not veragicory. It's just humor. 03:06:34.560 --> 03:06:34.660 humor. 03:06:36.570 --> 03:06:36.680 Yeah. 03:06:37.300 --> 03:06:39.400 When you have songs like Eat Me Alive, 03:06:39.920 --> 03:06:41.100 Blowing Somebody to Gunpoint, 03:06:41.879 --> 03:06:43.300 and Jawbreaker, yeah. 03:06:43.690 --> 03:06:44.040 I mean. 03:06:44.800 --> 03:06:48.080 But you've also got to admit that if you were on the tour bus 03:06:48.340 --> 03:06:49.320 and it was just you and Rob, 03:06:49.590 --> 03:06:50.760 you might be like, you know what? 03:06:52.160 --> 03:06:52.660 It's Rob. 03:06:52.900 --> 03:06:53.800 Take one for the team. 03:06:54.660 --> 03:06:54.820 No. 03:06:55.240 --> 03:06:56.200 Take one for the team. 03:06:57.260 --> 03:06:58.340 Jay, I love you. 03:06:58.940 --> 03:07:00.500 I would do that for you, but not for Rob. 03:07:02.259 --> 03:07:03.540 I have limits. 03:07:04.460 --> 03:07:33.360 No, I'm kidding, but I just mean that's how metal he is, you know, rob rules. All right, does anybody have any honorable mentions? I got a million of them, so. Sure. No. Chuck? I limited the three. I only have one, so. I kept mine to five, man. You said five, five, five. I stopped when I was talking five. Good man. Good man. There's a guy who follows the rules right there. Chuck believes in the rule of law. Yeah, I mean, how many, how many, you can keep listening. 03:07:33.680 --> 03:08:02.720 Yeah, for sure. Everything else. Yeah, so I just have one, so. I celebrate their entire catalog. Very well played. Very well played. John, anything? Yeah, I have five, actually. I'll do them real quick. We'll get to it. Tyrant, Dissident Aggressor, and the only reason Dissident Aggressor is an honorable mention is because I've seen it live. Staying Class, For Will, Rock, Forever, and then Off of Pretty Still, You Don't Have to Be Old to Be Wise. 03:08:03.680 --> 03:08:33.300 Cool. Wait, Chuck, did you do yours? He didn't have any. He followed the rules. He actually followed the rules. We can't ever follow the rules. Hell enough. My three, John, you're happy to know, Tyrant, that's why I wouldn't be best to meet, Eat Me Alive, Off Defenders of the Faith, and I will probably have the most recent addition to any album is Hell Rider, Off Angel of Retribution. That was a great song. 03:08:33.680 --> 03:09:03.640 Yes. All right. Will, you need to get that live album Jay keeps talking about. It really is good. Yeah. I would throw out Judas Is Rising, which I mentioned I think is a great song. Dissident Aggressor was that close to being on my list. So I'm glad so many other people mentioned it. And finally, as I said, I left Dreamer Deceiver. I used to put that instead of Beyond the Realms of Death. Also on that live record I'm talking about. But one I've never seen them do. So it would be cool if they did that. 03:09:04.960 --> 03:09:33.640 I just have one and this is the one that's going to make everybody groan from Turbo out in the court. Oh, okay. Yeah. Turbo is one of those albums that like when it came out at the time when I was whatever 14 or whatever like I loved it. You know what you know when you when you step back now you're like, okay, you know, we don't need no, no, no. Like there's there's a lot of cheese on it. 03:09:33.680 --> 03:09:37.180 I fucking hated it and I'll tell you why 03:09:37.740 --> 03:09:39.200 because he's more metal than the rest of us 03:09:40.160 --> 03:09:41.340 exactly no it was the same year 03:09:41.560 --> 03:09:43.400 somewhere in town came out and it was like 03:09:44.120 --> 03:09:45.020 here were two of these 03:09:45.550 --> 03:09:47.120 I think it was the same year but here are two of these 03:09:47.460 --> 03:09:49.240 huge metal bands embracing suddenly guitar 03:09:50.379 --> 03:09:51.540 synthesizers maiden did it 03:09:51.660 --> 03:09:53.520 right and then priest was just like but what 03:09:53.580 --> 03:09:55.480 if we just really turn the cheese 03:09:55.640 --> 03:09:57.420 not up here and I and I didn't 03:09:57.540 --> 03:09:59.360 hate it but I didn't like it I was pretty disappointed 03:09:59.590 --> 03:10:01.280 I mean let's remember what it followed 03:10:01.530 --> 03:10:03.660 you know yeah I mean 03:10:03.680 --> 03:10:14.980 It was a high watermark in the US. All right. Well, let's plow through what we are listening to, and then we can go to bed. Well, those of us not in California. 03:10:33.680 --> 03:10:37.720 I don't know how to say so much. 03:11:04.399 --> 03:11:33.620 We do a four-hour episode easy. So, Chuck, we just caught you. You actually don't listen to this podcast. You know what? Neither do we. Neither does anybody. I do. I don't listen to any podcast. What are you talking about? Yeah, no, don't blame you for a second. All right. Well, what are you listening to? What are some things you've been spending? Oh, well, I mean, because I listen to as much as I can of everything for my radio. 03:11:35.199 --> 03:12:02.900 And, you know, the things that are sticking right now that I'm really digging is the new record from The Crown, Cobra Speed Venom, which I have no idea what that fucking name means. Cool album cover, though. And it's an awesome, the record is just incredible. So good. The new Fu Manchu, since I'm just a huge fan of Fu Manchu and their 18-minute jam on Clone of the Universe is pretty wicked. 03:12:03.680 --> 03:12:33.640 But I'm playing a song on the show called Don't Panic, which I'm assuming that some of the movies are references to Hitchhiker's Guide. I'm not entirely sure there. I like the Gate Creeper side of the Iron Reagan split that they did. I'm not a huge fan of Iron Reagan, but the Gate Creeper, two songs, two songs, three songs, that's actually really good. What else? Maybe the new 03:12:33.660 --> 03:12:38.140 I haven't heard the whole thing yet but two songs off of it are really awesome 03:12:42.380 --> 03:12:43.340 Between the Parent and Me 03:12:44.300 --> 03:12:45.700 I haven't heard that whole album yet 03:12:46.620 --> 03:12:47.880 there's a few others that are out there 03:12:48.439 --> 03:12:50.860 have you heard, listened to a band called Vexes yet? 03:12:52.540 --> 03:12:52.960 Spell that? 03:12:53.240 --> 03:12:54.820 Familiar but I haven't listened to it 03:12:55.380 --> 03:12:57.440 Vexes, V-E-X-E-S 03:12:57.710 --> 03:12:58.040 I believe 03:12:59.399 --> 03:13:01.920 I want to say it's prosthetic maybe 03:13:01.920 --> 03:13:03.200 And it's like, 03:13:03.400 --> 03:13:07.460 I think it's an ex member of the Deftones, 03:13:08.650 --> 03:13:08.760 right? 03:13:09.100 --> 03:13:12.500 If I'm like a life once lost in the Deftones, 03:13:13.540 --> 03:13:14.880 it's sort of a super group, 03:13:15.020 --> 03:13:18.260 but it's it sounds a lot like the Deftones, 03:13:18.400 --> 03:13:19.780 like white pony kind of Deftones, 03:13:19.940 --> 03:13:20.820 but it's not heavy. 03:13:21.100 --> 03:13:22.100 It's more melodic. 03:13:23.000 --> 03:13:25.660 And that one's actually kind of took me by surprise. 03:13:25.740 --> 03:13:26.380 One I didn't expect, 03:13:26.520 --> 03:13:27.180 cause I think it's actually, 03:13:27.310 --> 03:13:29.020 so it may even be self-released, 03:13:30.299 --> 03:13:58.900 But yeah, that one's another one that's been kind of stuck in the craw too lately too. So New Rivers and Niles, really good. Where Owls Know My Name. Yeah, it's the tech death, and they're kind of going the way of job for a cowboy in the getting away from the straight tech death and starting to do some experimental stuff, which I think that's totally worthwhile. There's a lot of saxophone on that album. 03:13:59.080 --> 03:14:28.260 There's a lot of smooth jazz in that. But you know what, dude? After my number one album for last year was the Igor or whatever that was, I'm like, fuck it. Put an accordion in it. I don't give a shit. Let's see what happens. Yeah, it works. And those guys have been doing some pretty cool stuff. But that's mainly it. It seems like we're at a slow right now. 03:14:28.340 --> 03:14:58.200 and then we're going to pick up toward as we get toward summer here. Yeah. Agreed. All right, John. All right. Still spinning the Atlas Moth a lot. I like that. I forgot about that one. That's a great record. It really is. It's every time I listen to it, I think it gets better. We mentioned these guys earlier, the Ataraxy, where all hope fades, Ocean of Grief, Nightfall's Lament, Oceans of Slumber, 03:14:58.360 --> 03:15:25.140 The Banished Heart. Listened to that today a few times. I didn't put this down, but I know Will's listened to it. Windhand just did a split. I can't remember the name of the band he did it with, but I like the two songs off of that. Satan's. Satan's. Yeah, so I've spun that a few times today. And The Rivers Are Now, Where Owls Know My Name, which is a pretty cool album, too. It is indeed. We speak your names. 03:15:29.079 --> 03:15:58.060 See what I did there? You don't have a sound effect for that? I don't. He doesn't need one. That shit was fucking rad. It was live sound effects. Now you just sound like you're wounded. John just mentioned this. 03:15:58.360 --> 03:16:27.740 Ocean's a Grief, and I'm pretty sure this will be my February album of the month. Night Falls Lament, Funeral Doom. Oh my god, I could just listen. It's super progressive in a lot of its melodies and stuff. It's unbelievable. This will be a lister. I've listened to the Riding Kingdom, their self-titled EP. It's a Death Doom band. Really liking that. I gave my daughter a bath to that one night, and she didn't blink an eye. 03:16:29.020 --> 03:16:57.880 I'm pretty sure I can put on what the most craziest shit right now. My kids won't even like, whatever, daddy, this is great. Speaking of which, I've been listening to a lot of Dio lately because my kids love Dio. And I told the story earlier about my son, like, I want to see a video of Dio. And got the new Astrocon without new growth process is Bloodshed. Isn't that a weird album title to say? It doesn't quite. 03:16:58.340 --> 03:17:27.880 Yeah. Seems like it should be punctuated or something. The process is bloodshed. It's kind of all over the map. It's definitely got some death, black, proggy, whatever, everything in it. But I'm really liking that. George, what I was trying to tell you earlier, is necrophobic, mark of the necrogram. Nice. Kind of like black and death. And then just my newest vinyl purchases. You guys are so proud of me. 03:17:29.381 --> 03:17:58.320 I went back I saw on Bandcamp that they were doing Hark, Crystalline. So I got that on clear vinyl, which is kind of cool. And coming Friday, I think, Conan is playing Atlas. So I've been playing a whole lot of Conan recently. Big fan of Conan. And then Ilsa, which is a local DC band, their new album, Corpse Fortress, that George was 03:17:58.360 --> 03:18:28.140 Kind Enough to Put in the Box. And then Win Hand, the split with St. Sadders that we mentioned. And then the Sludge. S-L-U-G-D-G-E. Sludge. Sludge. Sludge. Sludge. I bought their penultimate album, I guess, their last album before the new one. No, I think you bought about three records it was. Really? It's like 24 songs. 03:18:28.340 --> 03:18:58.240 It is. Anyway, it's a cosmic cornucopia. Yeah, phenomenal. Digging it. That's it. Jay? I don't know if you guys knew about it, but Destroyer 666 released three new songs today on an EP that also includes a live song. So I listened to that today, and then it probably will be spending with me for a while. Which, by the way, there's something we should probably... Oh, no. Is that true? We can go there if you want. 03:18:58.360 --> 03:19:00.420 But I feel like it's like don't ask don't tell maybe 03:19:00.530 --> 03:19:01.940 Can you just let me have this record? 03:19:03.820 --> 03:19:04.260 No, no, no 03:19:04.500 --> 03:19:06.320 Well, it's not really about them 03:19:06.440 --> 03:19:08.340 It's about other stuff that's been going on 03:19:08.480 --> 03:19:09.420 locally here in the 03:19:10.020 --> 03:19:11.640 D.C. Baltimore area 03:19:11.860 --> 03:19:13.820 But it's almost like something I think we should talk about 03:19:14.420 --> 03:19:14.860 Is it Nazis? 03:19:15.620 --> 03:19:15.720 Okay 03:19:17.260 --> 03:19:17.700 The 03:19:18.420 --> 03:19:20.800 I was a little bit of a late adopter 03:19:20.920 --> 03:19:21.680 on The Hooded Menace 03:19:21.710 --> 03:19:22.520 But that's been spending 03:19:23.230 --> 03:19:24.220 pretty much every day here 03:19:27.880 --> 03:19:28.320 I 03:19:32.960 --> 03:19:35.100 I've listened to pretty much every day. 03:19:37.140 --> 03:19:38.300 Let's see what else I've been listening to. 03:19:39.440 --> 03:19:47.960 Oh, well, this one's just completely off track, but they just released a ZZ Top box out of the first five records, and I've been listening to a lot of ZZ Top since I got that. 03:19:48.090 --> 03:19:50.760 It's the first five really good records. The first one through Tejas. 03:19:51.740 --> 03:19:55.060 I don't know Billy Gibbons, okay? I don't care how much. 03:19:55.530 --> 03:19:57.280 All right? Damn. 03:19:58.220 --> 03:20:26.860 How many times do I got to say it? I understand. It sounds to me like I have a connection. I can get these all signed pretty soon, which is nice for me. That's about it. You know, and just various little things in the box. I always take everything in the box and just put it in one big song list. But those are the things that are striking home with me. Oh, no, no. And I also just bought this Thy Antichrist record today, too. Just going. I don't know those guys. Maybe you guys do. But I listen to the samples and I was like, this sounds cool. So I downloaded that today. 03:20:30.119 --> 03:20:32.160 I've heard the name 03:20:33.040 --> 03:20:34.220 but I don't know that I've listened to it 03:20:34.460 --> 03:20:36.040 I want to say it's a slightly 03:20:36.540 --> 03:20:37.680 slicker more produced 03:20:38.400 --> 03:20:39.500 behemoth of sorts 03:20:40.659 --> 03:20:41.740 you'll have to say for yourself 03:20:42.260 --> 03:20:42.960 they're from Colombia 03:20:43.700 --> 03:20:45.880 and they've got a new full length out 03:20:46.000 --> 03:20:47.940 check it out it's heavy it's pretty cool 03:20:48.080 --> 03:20:49.100 have you heard the new Dimu song 03:20:50.140 --> 03:20:51.400 I was just going to ask you the same question 03:20:52.479 --> 03:20:53.880 I mean it's 03:20:54.360 --> 03:20:56.080 more of the same which I'm like yeah 03:20:56.080 --> 03:21:24.760 Welcome to, you know, 10 years ago. It's the second track, which means there's probably like some bullshit trumpet intro, which means it's the one they wanted to introduce the record with, which is kind of weird. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So I take it, obviously you did listen to it. I did listen to it. It was, it was all right, but it wasn't anything special. Didn't blow your mind? No. Unfortunately, no. I thought, I was hoping they'd go in some brand new direction. Sure. But. Really? 03:21:26.080 --> 03:21:55.100 What? Really? I mean... No, he was hoping. He didn't think they would. No, I was hoping. No, just that they would, like, you know, push the envelope just a little further somehow. Like Joe Baez, hairy armpit folk music? All the other bands in that genre are pushing the envelope. I mean, that's the whole... I think that's kind of the point. Those guys should be the stalwart, you know? 03:21:56.780 --> 03:22:25.640 Don't change. Just keep doing the same thing. Well, then I'll just stick with the earlier albums. Let Septic Flesh and Flesh God Apocalypse push that boundary. Not those guys. Yes, I'm with you there. All right. I normally have a list that puts everybody to sleep, but this one's pretty short, so yay. First up, Armored Dawn, Barbarians in Black. They're Brazilian power metal. It's cool. It's not like the bad power metal. This is the good power metal. The Atlas Moth, 03:22:26.120 --> 03:22:27.940 listening the hell out of that. 03:22:29.050 --> 03:22:30.620 The Crown, Cobra Speed Venom. 03:22:31.960 --> 03:22:35.800 Nobody's mentioned this one, The New Memoriam, The Silent Vigil, second album. 03:22:36.560 --> 03:22:38.460 You know, I listened to that yesterday. 03:22:38.870 --> 03:22:40.240 Oh, wake up. 03:22:40.860 --> 03:22:41.420 Oh, sorry. 03:22:42.819 --> 03:22:49.160 I listened to that yesterday and I had it on my iPod going through a Bluetooth speaker and it sounded like shit. 03:22:50.119 --> 03:22:52.360 Put on those headphones. It sounds a lot better. 03:22:52.980 --> 03:22:54.420 No, and I did. That's what I did tonight. 03:22:54.560 --> 03:23:24.480 And I had it playing from my computer straight to headphones and it sounded a lot better. But I was like, wow, is this? And I didn't know if we got the promo that it was like a bad promo compression thing. Anything MP3 is going to sound like crap as far as I'm concerned. I mean, well, I'm not going to go down that path. But the point being is that it sounded better when I put headphones on. So yeah. Then the new mournful congregation album, The Incubus of Karma, Australian funeral. 03:23:26.159 --> 03:23:54.520 Thanks to John, Ocean of Grief, Nightfall of Lament. John, you hit it out of the park on that one. I'm telling you. That's a lister. Glad you guys like it. Yeah, the wonderful new Rivers of Nile where who know my name? Wait, wait, wait. He's on R already, guys. I'm actually almost done. And cracking jokes. Yeah. Because of the books I was reading, I listened to a lot of 03:23:54.560 --> 03:24:24.480 of Solo Bruce and Maiden just to listen along with the story. I also listened to a lot of the old Metal Blade bands, which I will not go into detail, but there were many, and they were awesome. And there you have it. I'm done. Will, what was the one you just jumped on board of? What did you say was a listener? Oceans of Grief. Oceans of Grief, okay. Ocean. Ocean. Singular. Ocean of Grief. Nightfall's Lament. It's Funeral Dune. 03:24:24.540 --> 03:24:54.240 But man, the melodies that they play alongside this, I listen to it at work all the time. I could just listen to it all day long. I love it. And also, it's Death Doom too. There's a few songs that have a little bit of pace to them also. I mean, yeah, sorry. No, I guess I bring that up because the production is so good on the album that it's hard to really tell because it sounds so good. Yeah, absolutely. 03:24:54.560 --> 03:25:23.680 Just buy it blindly. If John and I agree on the same album this much, you have to. That's why I was like, okay, there must be something going on here. I like it too, guys. No, exactly. All three of you guys got nailed. It's a potential album cover of the year too. I was going to mention to you too, Will, that I had kind of, once I started to really do Temple of the Void, I couldn't, the vinyls all sold out. I walked into a store the other day and found it. Are you fucking serious? 03:25:24.540 --> 03:25:53.980 The last one. Wow. Nice. That was like 15 bucks too. What? Yeah, shit you not, dude. It was a brand new copy. That's awesome. In any case, I will download this now since everybody's so into it. Ocean of Grief. Yeah. Noted. You guys want to talk about this Take Antifa stuff or you just want to like fuck that and close out? As far as I'm concerned, fuck them. Was it a Nazi thing? Is that what it was? Was it somehow attached? He had a swastika on his chest. 03:25:54.560 --> 03:26:23.740 During the show. The dude is this the dude from where? Which guy? They're Swedish, right? Yeah. I don't know how to say it. Taki? Is that what you said? Taki or Taki. T-A-A-K-E. But wait. But what? So but. So in other words, Antifa is running around and calling every venue and threatening violence against the venue to make sure that they do not allow a metal band to play. 03:26:24.560 --> 03:26:53.380 a black metal band to play at the venue for something that they did like 10 years ago one time. Oh, well, dude, who was it that got run out of here last year? You guys remember that? Yeah, that was Marduk. Yeah, yeah. So, but no, what I want to know is can I keep listening to Destroyer 666? I don't know, man. I mean, that's the thing. So they did not. Destroyer 666 is playing like a couple days after that show and they have not. You're reading Chris's posts, aren't you? 03:26:54.540 --> 03:27:24.460 I still don't know if that was a misunderstanding or what happened. And I. Well, the destroyer six, six, six guy, according to metal Chris is way more. Bad a person and he's not getting canceled, which was his. His thing. But it's so hard to decide these things. I mean, like I won't listen to Inquisition because, you know, dude's got a swastika tattoo. So fuck him. Right. But there's a difference between getting a swastika tattoo and like doing something. 03:27:24.540 --> 03:27:54.520 Of course. Yeah, well, because like Dark Throne, I'm a big Dark Throne fan, and they put some really stupid shit on the back of one of their album covers, and they were just fucking around. Right, and I guess that's the whole point. It's blackmail. They're fucking around. They're trying to be whatever, but these venues, like, because there's these, I don't know, I guess I just have such a negative opinion of Nazis. Nazis, but also Antifa, because they're basically a domestic terrorist organization who are using violence and threats 03:27:54.560 --> 03:27:56.480 their political agenda and why are they winning? 03:27:57.200 --> 03:27:59.740 But I also don't think there's as many of them that really think there is. 03:27:59.770 --> 03:28:02.600 So I think it's just one of those things the media is picking up on. 03:28:02.640 --> 03:28:08.400 Well, but the problem you have is that it's all about imaging and messaging, right? 03:28:08.600 --> 03:28:12.820 It has nothing to do with anything like, you know, when they're talking about the Riot Room, 03:28:13.040 --> 03:28:15.820 canceling that show, which was one of the first, and that was Tlaib Quilly, 03:28:16.510 --> 03:28:20.380 who said that he wasn't going to play there because they had BookTok, yada, yada, yada, all that stuff. 03:28:20.580 --> 03:28:23.280 That's all about, like, the Yelp reviews for the Riot Room, right? 03:28:23.720 --> 03:28:52.400 If they become associated with what is possibly known as a Nazi band, then that reputation goes online and stays online forever. And you can't combat that. So I can understand from a venue perspective why you would want to be very careful about things like that, violence or not. Antifa ain't going to do dick as far as actual violence. We had the same thing with Marduk here. They played that night. 03:28:52.960 --> 03:29:22.940 with the three dudes that showed up with signs and didn't get close to the venue because they were really scared of the dudes in the freaking jackets. So it's not as much about that. It's about that online reputation that could follow that venue forever. And I'm not saying that putting a swastika on you is good. No, it's obviously not, no matter what. But intent is... 03:29:24.000 --> 03:29:25.100 It's a big part of it 03:29:25.180 --> 03:29:27.220 I mean it's the one thing that smart people 03:29:27.460 --> 03:29:27.980 can realize 03:29:29.299 --> 03:29:30.540 there's scale here 03:29:30.880 --> 03:29:32.020 there's totally scale 03:29:32.720 --> 03:29:34.980 Can I just say something? There's a lot of people talking 03:29:35.160 --> 03:29:36.940 here and nobody has told me yet if I can keep 03:29:37.140 --> 03:29:39.620 listening to Destroyer 666 03:29:40.140 --> 03:29:41.140 No more talk 03:29:41.500 --> 03:29:43.280 You can listen to Shining though, I like Shining 03:29:44.199 --> 03:29:45.300 Can I just say this? 03:29:46.560 --> 03:29:48.800 Chuck, if you want to start another podcast 03:29:50.520 --> 03:29:51.400 Just give me a call 03:29:51.460 --> 03:29:52.220 I'm just saying 03:29:52.220 --> 03:30:21.200 I might have some free time soon. No offense to these other bozos. It's a weird thing because I totally empathize with the venue owners on these things. And I totally understand why... They don't want to get involved. Well, and why people would be pissed about a past record of shady values and views. 03:30:21.400 --> 03:30:51.360 But at the same time, it's fucking black metal. You didn't, you know, it's... You're not fucking Celine Dion. I mean... Yeah, I don't know what they... What anybody expects out of that, you know? I'm not really sure. And then Antifa's information is based on, like, one picture that they have of the guy with that on his chest that's been propagated for, you know, a long time now, you know? So it's like... I guess my problem is that it's, like, Antifa is big. 03:30:51.400 --> 03:31:21.360 Basically a domestic terrorist organization who conducts violence to bring out their political goal. But they're the ones who are winning over a guy who painted something. And I don't even know Take. I've never even heard one of their fucking songs ever. I'm not a Nazi. Both my grandfathers fought in World War II against Nazis and had severe psychological problems as a result of that. But it's just sort of like, why are we listening to this one group over another kind of thing? 03:31:22.520 --> 03:31:51.320 Well, you know how you win, though? And I mean, that's we're not. We're not. Not you and me and them. And I understand that. Obviously, some social thing happened where, you know, there's those of us who are just rise above that stuff. I can't stand that half the voices they have. And there's so much, especially right now after Parkland and everything else that's going on, there's so much of this. Well, OK, so remember the whole point behind, like, Russian meddling in Ireland. 03:31:51.420 --> 03:32:20.160 and all that stuff was not to make one person win or lose or this or that or whatever. It's so divisiveness between different factions of people within our society to make things tougher to get anything done. So you excite and use things to inflame a piece of people and get them to activate on something, whether it's logical or not, real or not. 03:32:22.321 --> 03:32:24.460 But it exists forever. 03:32:25.510 --> 03:32:32.780 So now you put in Google, and you put in talking in Google, you're going to see that thing. 03:32:33.530 --> 03:32:35.080 And that may be something that... 03:32:35.740 --> 03:32:39.100 My problem is that I don't believe they've actually answered that question. 03:32:39.680 --> 03:32:42.380 You know, as far as like, okay, are you a fucking Nazi? 03:32:42.740 --> 03:32:44.180 Which they'll probably say no. 03:32:44.890 --> 03:32:48.900 But I don't think there's been a good response to that from their side yet. 03:32:49.260 --> 03:32:50.020 And that's actually, 03:32:51.380 --> 03:32:52.860 the silence is one of those things. 03:32:52.910 --> 03:32:53.540 I wish they would, 03:32:53.760 --> 03:32:54.440 that that would, 03:32:54.440 --> 03:32:55.340 they would nip that in the bud. 03:32:55.420 --> 03:32:55.760 But otherwise, 03:32:56.680 --> 03:32:56.780 you know, 03:32:56.780 --> 03:32:58.920 I think it's just a way to sow divisions between, 03:32:59.750 --> 03:33:02.840 between different pieces of different elements in our, 03:33:03.020 --> 03:33:04.080 in our country right now. 03:33:04.220 --> 03:33:05.360 So it's just sort of sucks. 03:33:06.540 --> 03:33:06.620 Yeah. 03:33:06.640 --> 03:33:09.260 It sucks when something as simple and as entertaining as heavy metal gets 03:33:09.360 --> 03:33:09.820 pulled into it. 03:33:10.300 --> 03:33:10.480 Yeah, 03:33:11.160 --> 03:33:11.240 totally. 03:33:12.080 --> 03:33:12.380 You know, 03:33:12.600 --> 03:33:13.100 I mean like, 03:33:14.100 --> 03:33:14.960 what a drag. 03:33:15.800 --> 03:33:15.880 Yeah, 03:33:16.040 --> 03:33:16.360 I get, 03:33:16.440 --> 03:33:45.640 Yeah, and Chuck, you made a very, very articulating good point. I guess my whole thing is, like, if it was, like, the Jewish survivors of whatever, the Holocaust, something like, they're the ones taking issue with it. But it's, like, if Antifa's taking issue with it, like, well, they're not quite the right spokesperson and activist group to be protesting against this. 03:33:45.640 --> 03:34:15.220 Well, they're the guys that whenever something happens here in Oakland, it's just who I think they are. It's just the kids that come in from the suburbs because they want to smash into the footlocker. I mean, I'm not joking. It's just they don't believe in anything. I guess that's my whole point. They don't believe in anything. They just are like, there's a riot tonight. Let's fucking go. Yeah. And unfortunately, Jay, you're at ground zero for that. Why? Why is it always the footlocker? I'm telling you. I'm telling you, that Oakland footlocker has been hit so many times, dude. 03:34:15.320 --> 03:34:43.100 Every time there's an arrest, it's just like, wow, people are going to get some new Jordans tonight. How many insurance companies have they gone through? I know, dude. I mean, you're like, move your store. I'm not joking. There is. There's a Foot Locker downtown Oakland. It's every time there's a thing. And then, of course, yes, Berkeley. I can't tell you how many times I walk out of my library and there's helicopters because somebody's marching somewhere. So there's helicopters, like the news helicopters and whatnot. 03:35:14.020 --> 03:35:15.100 God. 03:35:15.120 --> 03:35:45.040 We are finally after four hours at the end of this episode. I want to thank Chuck very much for spending all this time with us. Yes, good time. I don't know what I signed up for. I had no idea. Oh, my God. I feel like you brought us to a new level. Yeah, I honestly thought this was going to be just like a two and a half hour. The last couple episodes have only been like two and a half hours. But we really went to town. So thank you for spending this time with us. Indeed. Thank you. You're the man. Definitely. 03:35:45.100 --> 03:36:14.220 Thank you. Seriously, Chuck, give me a call. The metal podcast anymore, man. This satisfies my entirely monthly quota. No, you're good for like six months now, buddy. You were very generous with your time and a lot of fun to talk to, brother. Thank you. And our best to Godless. Indeed. Yeah, sorry he couldn't be on this one because of just time differences. I guarantee he probably would have jumped to the chance. 03:36:15.100 --> 03:36:16.520 It would have been like a six hour episode 03:36:17.320 --> 03:36:18.040 Oh god yeah 03:36:18.280 --> 03:36:20.680 If you got him talking too we'd be in trouble man 03:36:20.920 --> 03:36:21.460 But yeah 03:36:21.800 --> 03:36:23.780 Maybe we can set something up another time 03:36:23.860 --> 03:36:25.580 And get him on too 03:36:26.260 --> 03:36:28.560 You can always check out my radio show still 03:36:28.760 --> 03:36:30.320 I know it's like music and stuff 03:36:30.540 --> 03:36:31.020 But you know 03:36:31.060 --> 03:36:31.180 Music 03:36:32.000 --> 03:36:33.260 Well what's that about 03:36:33.859 --> 03:36:35.260 Where can people find you there 03:36:35.420 --> 03:36:36.640 Online or wherever 03:36:38.199 --> 03:36:39.160 Nocontrolradio.com 03:36:39.819 --> 03:36:41.980 Is where the clearinghouse 03:36:42.060 --> 03:36:43.760 With playlists and replays and stuff like that 03:36:43.760 --> 03:37:13.740 Also on SoundCloud, they search no-control radio. That's where I keep pretty much everything. And then I've got a... There's an HD stream. So it streams 24-7 commercial-free metal in the States. So you can get that there. And it's got a couple of specialty shows. I've got a Christian metal show on there that a friend of mine runs and a few other things on there that are pretty cool. So, you know, something to check out if you're into the music, you know, not just the bullshit. What a handsome photo of him at that webpage. And let me just read to you some of the stuff of his 03:37:14.340 --> 03:37:43.740 We're looking at some Atlas Moth here, King Woman, Death, Green Bloody Gore, New Tribulation, which I'm a big fan of. That is a great record, too. Oh, no, man. It's just fucking boring to me. I'm torn. I really like the music, but the vocals just don't seem to fit. But I'm not counting it out yet. I mean, I just need more lessons, I think. Were you looking at the recently played on that stream? Is that what that was? It is under 03:37:43.780 --> 03:38:13.180 You're your last plane on no control radio. There you go. Yeah, that's the that's the streaming station that's playing that which is actually broadcast on the air here in Austin. So if you got an HD radio, but did I mention there's a very handsome picture of Chuck there? It is pretty sexy except I'm like fat in that one. So I'm much skinnier and slim now. Time to update. Yeah, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Get that camera out. All right. But I mean, he looks like a Viking God, man. I'm saving it for chatter. 03:38:14.979 --> 03:38:17.500 All right. Well, let's stick a fork on this thing. I think we're done. 03:38:18.520 --> 03:38:19.680 There we are. Thanks, Chuck. 03:38:19.680 --> 03:38:21.160 Thank you guys for having me, man. I appreciate it. 03:38:21.530 --> 03:38:23.420 Thank you, sir. Definitely. Thank you. 03:38:23.770 --> 03:38:26.160 All right. Until next time, we remain the Metalheads Podcast.