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Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go!

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You must listen.

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Now, here's the podcast, Metalheads Podcast Go.

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Hello, and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast. My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is Will.

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This is John.

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This is Matt.

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And we are joined today by Matt Moss of Sludge. How you doing?

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Hello. Yeah, I'm fine, yeah.

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We appreciate you coming on.

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Yeah, it's no problem. So let's just get started. First of all, because we're not going to assume everybody knows a lot about you, could you just kind of tell us a little bit about, you know, like how long the band has been around? We certainly know, but also where you are. We know you're in England. I think your accent has already given that away. But maybe just let's call it the Wikipedia introduction to sludge for the people who are listening. Right. So we started the band in 2012.

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There's a sort of a joke thing that kind of just ran on for a long time. There was two people in it. There was me and I doing vocals. Kev Pearson did guitars, all stuff like that. We did sort of bass duties between us. I programmed the drums and it was all self-produced at home. We put out a sort of

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First album which was just a bit of a mess around that got quite popular I suppose. Born of Slime. Yeah and then we started getting a bit more serious sort of putting more effort into the music. We did Gastronomic on in 2014 then another one the year after Dim and Simon and Kingdoms 2015 then we got signed to Willow Tip Records at the end of 2015 I think.

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And then in 2018, we just released Esoteric Malacology, which is Esoteric Malacology. Wow, I like that. Let's go back and forth on these pronunciations. That's good. I like when people mispronounce, at least by their own count, their own record. Yeah, I've always said it that way. And then recently I've been hearing everyone saying it the only way. So I've decided to adapt to their way of saying it. And just now, that happened live.

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You guys have put out four albums in like the last five six years and every one of them has been in my opinion a winner how is it that you're so prolific and you're not sacrificing the quality? We just I suppose we've not got much else going on in our lives. We have a lot of time to do it. We've kind of just gotten sick of because we've

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We've always been in other bands. Kev's tends to be in the sort of more technical kinds of bands. You know, like Tech Death or Gent or Prog or whatever you want to call it. I was always in grindcore bands and cross-punk bands and things like that. And we just thought, well, I was sick of doing this. So we just started doing... We sort of reverted back to a project that we'd done

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in the past, which was like a sort of, I'd say it was grindcore, but it wasn't really grindcore, that we'd been messing around with. And we just had a lot of fun doing it. And one of the reasons was because we were just talking about absolutely ridiculous things, just letting it all out, do you know what I mean? Because we'd given up on the idea of being in bands properly, you know, getting a record deal, anything like that.

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So I think the secret was just that we had a lot of fun doing it. So we were always eager to do more and more and more. And we still are, you know, like we the second we sort of put this album out, we were just like, right, what about the next one? What about the next one? You're not bogged down by, well, at least until this album, you weren't bogged down by labels slowing you down or or tours taking away from music creation. Yeah, I think if we were touring, we might not have been as prolific.

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But the discussion we'd had with the label when they sent us the contract, well, we'd sort of designed the contract in a way by saying, right, this, you can't insist on this. We're going to do it like this. We're not going to have any kind of interference, which he wouldn't have done anyway. Do you know what I mean? They won't be sending it back saying, change it.

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one. He was just like, yeah, it's good. It's a bit weird. It's a bit different. But I just said, you know, just if you trust us, we'll trust you to do your end of it. And that's what it's been. And it's been a good relationship, actually. I did lots of horror stories about record labels to the point where I was like, I'm never doing that.

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Yeah, I read an interview with you. I want to say it was when Dim and Slamridden Kingdoms came out, where you said that you didn't really like the idea of being with a label because they imposed

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and things like that. So how did Willow Tip change your mind about that? He just said there is absolutely no deadline. You can take as long as you want. We'll send you some funds to get things started. We are still using really basic equipment. Most of the stuff we use... Hang on one sec. Ted, come out of there. Sorry, my dog's wandering in the kitchen. Most of the

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The stuff we use is free online. Apart from pod farm and all the rest of it. So he did send some money for extra things but he said take as long as you want. And it was just very relaxed. The big reason why we signed was because a lot of people were asking for vinyls and CDs. And I thought we can't deal with this.

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We can't deal with this volume of because we're not well off or anything and we're not very well organized either. Well, the you know, just one thing about that there to me, there was a noticeable positive jump in the production between demons slime ridden kingdoms and esoteric oncology. So I'm assuming that it has something to do with said funds. And also that's just a compliment. It sounds great. Partly it was.

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I do the production so it was more me. One of the things is we'd always insisted on using the HM2 pedal and you know what that sound is it's like the buzzsaw kind of Swedish death metal kind of thing a lot of grindcore bands use it and it wasn't working with the because Kev's you know pretty good guitarist and he wanted to really sort of expand his

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It's technicality on it. When we were playing the riffs from the new one, it just wasn't working with that. So I had to change the mix. So that was very difficult because I'm not a very good producer by technical standards. So I had to figure it all out again. And that's one of the reasons why this one took quite a lot longer than the other three. But it's still, you know, it's still,

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the basic stuff that we're using. I mean, the things I spent it on were ridiculous things like, you know, a program that creates orchestras and stuff and then didn't really didn't really use that because it's not the style we do. It was just me messing about with stuff, really. So you just bought a bunch of toys. Yeah. Do you still record in the bedroom? We never recorded in the bedroom. Well, I mean, as opposed to like a studio. Yeah. Basement or wherever it is. Yeah. I'm just being.

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It's the front room we're recording

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We're still in exactly the same situation

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that we always were

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And that helps as well because

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you're not

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changing too many things

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It's not as daunting

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This whole thing has been quite daunting

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for us as well

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It's a lot of

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stuff all at once

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And attention, I think attention too

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People are talking about you

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And people are talking about this record. I've seen super positive reviews of it. And now to just take one step back, I assume Willowtip reached out to you initially. Yeah, they did. The message is on Twitter. And I didn't use Twitter then. I do now. I sort of have, you know, you have to. But I ignored Twitter. And I've kind of just been deleting emails unless they were directly from band camp from fans or whatever.

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much attention to it. And then after I'd come back off holiday in Italy, they'd message me and I just checked it at random. And I had all these notifications from them saying, check your email. So I checked my email. There's nothing in there, obviously. And I just said, just email me back. Whatever it is, email me back. I kind of knew what it was because I knew the record label and I knew I know what kind of artist the sign. So I was like, I know what this is. So I need to sort of, you know,

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So I read through it, but it was months and months before we decided to do it. It was a kind of, we were umming and ahhing about whether or not we should, but in the end, if people want all that stuff, then that's how they're going to get all that stuff. But like I said, I'm actually really happy about it. It's gone a lot smoother than I thought it would do, and it's partly because of how closely knit they are as a label.

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I'm in direct communication with Jason and Mitchell and all the other people that are sort of working for them and it's been good.

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And that's great. It's cool that you're having a good experience and I really like the focus on, I have the vinyls and I like the nice colors they've chosen for the vinyls. They really work for you guys.

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So how have you gone about getting cover art in particular on the new one?

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Did they help with that or did you have somebody in mind? No, I had

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a good mate

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who was in a grindcore band

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in England called

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it's pronounced

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it's not written like that though

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and he's kind of

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does like sci-fi art and stuff

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and I just asked him

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the previous three were

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a guy called Zen O'Connor

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and he's like

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He's an artist who studied in Florence and stuff and he does proper art and he'd never really done anything like that before. He's the only artist we know so we'll just ask him so he did that. He did a pretty decent job but he's... I don't know. He wasn't around for this one because he's not really a big social media presence. I've been looking at this guy, Luke,

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Luke Orham, his name is the guy at the Grand Corps Band. I've been looking at his art and it's fantastic. So I was just like, this guy understands what the kind of thing we would like. So I just asked him to do it. And it turned out great, by the way. We're going to have to talk about the concept and the concepts, which I say we have to probably because it's probably one of the first things people ask you about, or that you get asked about a lot, I'm guessing. But let's talk about it.

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How was it that you guys settled on this, let's say, imaginary kingdom and or real kingdom? The theme. The theme. That's a better way of putting it. How did that come about? It was really our sense of humor that's kind of for the sort of mundane and trivial aspects of life, I suppose. We were just... I'd always written... Like in the previous band that we'd done,

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We would write about stupid things like really minor celebrities in Britain. It was almost like an apotheosis of the mundane, banal kind of thing blown up. So we wanted to do something like that, I think. But it's morphed into more than just that. When we first started, I think our first song that we ever wrote was

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I hate salt and it was basically just about from the perspective of a slug. But because of the things that I'm into, because of the things that we're into, and because of the experiences we've had in life with sort of crazy things that have happened, it quickly became almost like a religious cult type thing.

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There's just a love of animals, you know, although I did used to sort of I was I was mainly into reptiles and stuff. I don't know. I've ended up with mollusks, but yeah, but it started as it started as a joke. We were doing like puns about sludge metal bands and you know, I abominable iron sloth and iron monkey and there's always something like

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Some kind of metallic animal hybrid thing going on in most of the things. And we were just surprised that no one had done slugge. So you were surprised. I like that. Sorry. It's not slugge. It's not sludge metal. Obviously. No. There's some elements of it on the first one, but it dies out very quickly. And we sort of revert back to doing our death metal thing. So were you guys like, ha ha, you know, this was funny. It's a joke. And then it was like, oh shit.

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people like the joke we got to do more and you're kind of like stuck with doing it now or you know does it uh do you feel limited by it in any way or uh do you think you can just keep doing that uh you know i thought i thought there was a there was a chance of it being like that at first um but i think you i think it is underestimating just how much stuff i can draw out draw out of it yeah it's it's just um like i said there's there's a lot of it uh

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that's actually become quite personal. And it's this thing about worshipping something that doesn't exist, and everyone knows it doesn't exist, but you persist in doing it anyway, which is kind of what we do in this world anyway. So it's kind of, you know, there's a critique there, I suppose. Well, if you're going to do social commentary, which isn't necessarily what you just described, but there's

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There's nothing more metal than what you just described. I mean, that's the broad theme of a lot of metal bands. We got to talk about the song titles, too, because I just wonder, is it like a contest within the band to just like jot down titles as you think of them? Because we're a big fan of the titles. Yeah, a lot of the a lot of the titles, not a lot, but a handful of them anyway. They seem like tongue in cheek nods to other bands like Salters of Madness and the Toxic Salts and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, it is.

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Some of them are a bit more difficult to get than others. We've got one called Suffering Quahog and I was looking at something I think it was on Reddit and someone was speculating as to what that means. Only one person got it which is it's named after Suffering Quota by Asuk, the Grain Corban which is about sort of animal rights which is also what that Suffering Quahog is also about. It's about a clam called Ming that was about 500 or 600

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100 years old or something and scientists dragged it up and opened it up and killed it in the process of trying to figure out how old it was so that was kind of like humans interfering with nature again but it's that i mean gastronomicon in particular is that most of it is is that it's mostly uh about civilizations sort of unsustainability are you keeping an you keep a notebook though is there like a notebook where you're like oh that's a great song title you jetted

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I don't know where the song titles come after you write the song.

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They just, no, they're like working titles that would just leave.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I've got one you can use for the next album.

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Shallow Waits.

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Oh, yeah.

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No, Shallow Waits.

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We've already thought of that.

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But I don't know whether you've noticed.

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There's quite a few that are like Slayer.

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Yeah.

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Spore Ensemble.

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Yeah.

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Pod Hates of Soul.

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Yeah, Pod Hates of Soul, yeah.

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You know, so here's an interesting thing for me.

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I mean, I just, you guys are from the same general area as Carcass, and they're really animal rights focused too, and there's not a question in there somewhere that's just interesting to me that that's the two of the better metal bands I can think of coming out of your area are really environmentally minded. Yeah, I don't know why that is, I think it's just, we come from sort of industrial slums, if you like, where

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There's a lot of greenery around, but it's all kind of controlled in terms of farmland and what have you. But it's just we weren't really following suit with them. It's just kind of although that, you know, it's I don't know. It's just what it is. I think we just happened to be talking about the same sorts of things. Ish. Ish. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a happy coincidence. And speaking of carcass and

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That just sort of brings us to the nature of other bands. And I'm wondering what are some of the big influences that you guys feel? Or, you know, who do you like? That's probably a better way to put it. Well, the biggest, probably the biggest influence on the band that I can think of is Aka Kaka, who is a British band. I don't know if you know him. Yeah, of course. A lot of that is, a lot of what they do is kind of almost tongue-in-cheek, I think. I can't even tell. And that's kind of

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what we were going for. We're a bit more obvious, but when you read the lyrics and stuff, it's not as obvious that we're kind of, you know, there's stuff in there that's hidden. But also just the idea that they're writing love songs to Satan, it was just kind of really amusing to me. And I thought, right, I'm going to sort of do that in an equally as grandiloquent kind of fashion. It works, though.

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it does work because there is a point where you guys have stuck so steadily to the script here that um that i i wondered i

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was like what are these guys like what are they about you know and so you've got that you've managed to

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create the little layer and obviously there's some humor there and that's very clear but

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now i say that where it seems to be working yeah uh i i again that's i just find that quite funny

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that we would do that. I mean, why would you waste your time doing that? But as well, the world is kind of, you know, it's gotten a lot more serious, but also kind of a lot more absurd in the past few years. I remember sort of, we were doing Gastronomicon, and I'd gotten really ill. And it was like, you know, I was in a hospital and all the rest of it. And I was just kind of, the world seemed to be going to shit.

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So it's kind of like it fit in perfectly with the sort of the era that we're living in I think for us you know I mean I was convinced a few times that I died or like that I wasn't in the real world anymore and it just fed into what we were doing as a band you know so. I can relate to that man and I don't want to speak for everybody but yeah I mean the public figures we have that we're looking at now and Brexit on your side and all of these things I often think

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What? Do I need to go back to sleep and wake up again? What happened here? It's gotten strange. The last few days we've had that, haven't we? We're back at war again. I've been watching Alex Jones on this thing going absolutely ballistic about it. I don't watch him for information. I watch him for comedy. Yeah, he's crazy. He's just been going absolutely mad. It's just a bizarre time to be alive. Why not? Post-truth era, I guess.

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I mean I'm not a religious person and I think we've been living in a sort of false reality for a very long time anyway you know from that perspective. I read a great quote during the last American election the last American election which may indeed be the last American election but it was it was that it's as if America was a situation comedy and the writers

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are just going crazy now.

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They're just like,

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let's jump the shark.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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we,

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we,

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we play,

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uh,

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we play a lot of video games and there's one that we play in particular called

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civilization.

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And,

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uh,

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we,

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we felt like it was that the game had been won.

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The game was over and it was just in the,

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the sort of the turns afterwards when you just stockpile nuclear weapons to just

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just fucking around one more turn.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What,

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uh,

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what,

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What else do you play? We're game players. What are you? The cooler ones. We're PC gamers. Occasionally sort of diverge into other things. I play a lot of strategy games. I play Crusader Kings and EU4 and stuff. We play things like Dark Souls, Fallout. You've got to be dedicated to get to Dark Souls.

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I can get some focus going but that's a hard game.

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Yeah, it's alright when you get used to it. I mean I remember Kev, the first time Kev made me play it I was just like effing and blinding at him saying you know I can't believe you've made me play it. It's just absolutely shit.

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I was just getting my ass handed to me like every time I got in it. But he just kept saying oh you just need to get good. So I was getting well mad with it and ended up just persevering and I love it now. It's fantastic.

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Yeah, it pays off if you are willing to invest in it, I'm told. I never got to the investment stage. I feel like I might be kind of dominating the conversation here. Is there some questions that you have, Matt? I'm talking about our Matt or George or anybody. I got a couple. Let's hear it. So I'm curious with the whole Mollusca, the Infernal Cosmic Slug Deity thing, do you actually, with all your album

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and all your songs are you building almost this like game of thrones tolkien star wars

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universe where everything fits in together or is it some stuff is like there's just individual

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song it doesn't really fit into any like grand novel sort of idea world that you've built pantheon

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yeah it uh it's not quite i wouldn't you know i would not say it's it's like on that level of sort of um

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like where there's a continuous there's no there's no continuous narrative i mean it's it depends i mean

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dim and simon and kingdoms had somewhat of a narrative um and it was about death but it's kind of

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based on experiences that i had from the trying to write the previous album um and also just the sort of

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where my head was but it was using the imagery of something else to distance myself from

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I like escapism, but for me, writing lyrics. Particularly with sort of stuff off esoteric malacology is even more like that. I'd had, it was really stressing me out, the album. So there was a lot, there's a lot more kind of overtly non, you know, it's not about, you can tell that some of them

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or not about what I'm talking about but there's some allegories going on there yeah but this started as a way of kind of as well as a way of distancing myself from like I mentioned this a lot but you know there's a reason I mentioned it but you know I've had a lot of problems with mental illness so and they were quite severe ones as well which kind of hindered me for like years and years and years

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And it's kind of some of that stuff and the things that led up to that being a thing

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are buried in there because I don't want to talk about them, but I can't help but talk about them.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Is it cathartic?

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Yeah, it's catharsis.

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I mean, that's the main thing.

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That's why we were continuing to do music.

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It was a way of just dealing with the world.

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And even though it's ridiculous, I mean, that's just another aspect of who we are. I mean, we're ridiculous people. We're not very serious people. Because to be, we've seen how serious, in a way, things can get. You know, we both have loads and loads of problems throughout the years with sort of just getting along, just living, you know, able to, like, pay rent or, you know, just stay alive in certain circumstances where it's just, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know

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It's been...

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So...

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But at the end of the day, we just like having a laugh as well.

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So it's a combination of those two things.

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And I just love that.

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I love that, man.

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I love that on the one hand is a really rather deep psychological catharsis and allegory.

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On the other hand, we just like to tell a good joke.

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Which is a good summary of life in general, I should say.

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You'd mentioned how, and this might have been before we started,

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but that you guys have been living together for about three years.

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And of course, that makes recording easier when you're both there all the time. But are there times where you guys drive each other crazy as well? And you're like, you know, hey, I want to work on music. And he's like, fuck you. I want to, you know, go play video games or just, you know, get away from you for a while. Yeah, that happens a lot. But like, it's, I mean, we're kind of, we've known each other now. Well, he moved down here from Scotland.

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with his parents when he was 15. And he wanted to join a band because he was a drummer in a band. So he joined our band. And then we had loads of problems and he ended up leaving our band. And then we kind of, we just spoke over the internet for a long time. I mean, there was a period where we didn't speak as much. In that interim period, he'd had a kid and all this other stuff. And when we met up again, it was just like, because when he used to,

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come down we just rather than play it our stuff for our actual band we're just sitting the the practice

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shirt playing through morbid angel nile stuff like um songs um him on drums and me on guitar both sort of to a

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sort of amateurish degree but as the years rolled on we kind of we've just gotten to be like almost like siblings so yeah of course we we argue um from time to time about plenty of stuff mainly politics

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or something like that.

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But, yeah, there are times.

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But at the end of the day, when we got down to do music, it's like the reason we met in the first place, you know.

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So it's almost completely separate from our living situation, if you know what I mean.

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Yeah.

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Let me ask you this.

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Are you, like, aware?

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You must be, but are you aware of how visible you guys are?

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I mean, I mean, there's really a lot of people talking about this, talking about you in general, but also this new record has gotten super favorable responses. Do you read any of the reviews or anything? Yeah, the Angry Metal guy gave you guys like four, four and a half or something. Pretty high, I remember. Out of five. He called it, and I agree, potential album of the year material. So are you hearing this talk, reading things, or do you just kind of keep your head down? I read everything.

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I'm interested because I want to know how people are receiving it because the thing is

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this we live in a swamp in the middle of nowhere

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like literally we live in a tiny sleepy village that we're

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I've got like some serious agoraphobia

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Kev's not much better we don't go out

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that much so basically social media

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and the internet is pretty much the only way we've got the only access we've got to these things um it was weird and unreal up until the point where i went out we went out to the cannibal corpse black dahlia murder gig and he comes out and he's like you know i think your band's fucking amazing and all this kind of stuff um and it suddenly dawned on me then that like oh this so this it's all kind of

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It really is all out there. You know what I mean? It's real. Yeah. Wait, who said you guys were amazing? Sorry. Oh, sorry. Alan, the drummer at Black Dahlia Murder. He recently joined. Well, we'd kind of said online because we've been talking for years. Isn't he your drummer now? Yeah, he is. Yeah. And we'd been talking about that for years. And I was sort of saying, I said no at first because I was like, this will just overcomplicate things. We just want to stick to doing it in our room and just not bother anyone.

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But as time went on, it became clear that him and Moat, the other guy that's joined on base, they're massive fans and they understand what we're doing. And they just want to put their thing into it where I might be lacking with my drum machine or we've been sort of sidelining base this whole time. So yeah, we just kind of did that. But yeah, it didn't feel,

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real real until then. But I've been reading things, but it's just words, you know, on the screen. So yeah, it feels a bit odd. Can I, can I, but does it seem to you that there have been a lot more words on the screen lately? I mean, again, I think your visibility is really rising. So I mean, case in point is that we all like your band and we invited you on, like we requested you guys. So I mean, like this is not words on the screen. This is real. Yeah.

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We really like you guys. And I think, at least in my opinion, the new album will probably be on at least two year-end lists for our little group. I'll go on the record right now and tell you right now, and I keep it running less, that's my number one record of the year. Just to put that out there. Cheers. In my top ten, too. Yeah, it's just, it is, it's very odd. But it's becoming more and more apparent. But like, if we were,

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If we were touring, and we were seeing this every day in doubt, then it might have been more normalized for us. But we don't for lots of reasons. But we may overcome those at some point. But like I said, there are challenges there. Speaking of which, I know you kind of have the agoraphobia, which from what I understand is the fear of going outside or public places. Yeah, it's connected to

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because I have schizophrenia so it's connected to that and obviously now you know if you sort of you've probably read that because I mentioned it before but if you sort of go into the whole what the band is about it starts to make maybe starts to make a bit more sense I'm not actually don't believe in that stuff but I'm kind of making light out of things that I have believed in the past that were pretty wacky sure

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We've all got those skeletons in our closet. Yeah. So, I mean, do you, have you guys toured at all? Have you, like, just, like, hit up a festival? Is there ever, is that sort of, no way it's going to happen? Is that part of why you're, you know, now have a drummer and a bass player working towards that? It could be. But, I mean, that was mainly a decision to do with recording, because I want real drums on it. I always have done.

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And since he's such a good drummer, there's absolutely no... Because in the past, local drummers and stuff are an absolute nightmare. I mean, they are a special breed of people, let's be honest. But I've had significant trouble in previous bands getting that together. But I mean, I've played live, obviously, years ago, but a lot has happened since then. Kev was in a touring band.

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But he really, really didn't like it. The touring, he liked the band. But it's just kind of, I don't know. I don't know what the future holds at the moment. But I suppose it's become more of a possibility. What was your drum machine that you used? It was Superior Drummer 2. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Is that what you have? Yeah, I'm a home recorder too, on a much shittier scale. But I was curious what programs you use. I use Superior Drummer.

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and Logic and... Yeah, I just use... It's Superior Drummer 2. Just run through a really old version of Reaper. And all the VSTs are in Reaper to begin with. So it's just... I'm just a cheapskate, basically, when it comes to recording. I just use what I've got. And I've gotten very used to using that. So every time I change something about it, it's just...

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You know, it overcomplicates things, so I have to be quite careful.

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I understand that for sure.

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I gotta say

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that you can put out these albums

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and they sound like they do use in this stuff.

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Not that this stuff is not good,

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but knowing what I get out of it

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compared to what you get out of it,

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that's saying something.

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Meaning?

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Meaning, wow, you're amazing.

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Sorry, go on.

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I was just gonna ask,

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Was there a different mastering process or something for the new one? I mean, they're like, I've done that in the past. How have you mastered them? Do you just do that yourself? I didn't master the last three. They were just, yeah, the ones before Esoteric Malacology were just straight off the, they weren't mastered. I just kind of put like maximizers on them and stuff in the tracks because I didn't know what I was doing and made them all into

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to one file with all the sort of bits that lead into the bits and cut it all up and then sent and then just put it out um and put we put it out the day it was finished as well every single album was put out the day it was finished is that right yeah but the the etatai malacology i just put a lot more effort into it because it was i didn't want to disappoint the label in terms of production that was it i was basically i felt like i need to make this as good as i possibly can with

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the tools that I've got in order to sort of make it sound good for the music. But also I need to sort of, I want the label to be able to put out a sort of nice thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it was a responsibility for sure. Yeah. Now you've mentioned that you've got like a grind background and, and Kev is more of a like prog tech guy. What, what music do you guys overlap on that, that was your common ground?

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It's old school death metal. So that's probably why a lot of it has that feel. But the stuff like, I mean, we both love Olpeth and Gojira, which should be obvious, I think, to anyone listening to it. There's a lot of that sort of stuff comes through. But, you know, if there's ever a sort of crusty punk bit, then it's probably me that's insisted on that. And again, if there's any sort of weird,

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It's just clean time signature stuff going on. It's probably Kev that's put that in. But we generally just sit and write them together. We have a sort of thing where if we put the part in that's like we expect that's what's going to happen in the song, that's probably the wrong thing to do. So we just try and be as unexpected as we call it.

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Speaking of how far along are you on the next one since you're starting to put your energy into record number five? Not that far in. We have a concept because it's probably a concept album but not we know what not to do with it. Because I know if we just do like one thing that sounds like a massive long song that'll just get on my nerves because I like as

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I like things to change a lot I like variety which is why sometimes I mean I think one person described it as a 10 car musical pilot and it's not entirely inaccurate because we just kind of like try and get as much in as possible so the songs themselves in the end of the day I just like writing like jams do you know what I mean and then trying to weave them together

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into something a bit larger. But I've got the story sorted out, you know, of what's going to be going on. Which is going to be kind of like part mythos, part critique on our future, on futurism, basically. So, yeah. Do you think that having a drummer and a bass player this time around is going to change the sound at all? I mean, other than the obvious reason of,

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It's sounding different because it's an actual drummer? Yeah, probably. But I really value what other people, you know, if someone's like a virtuoso, if they know their instrument better than I do, as long as they also know the sound of what we're going for as well as I do, then I'm feeling quite positive about it. I mean, it's bound to change it a little bit.

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I'm not one of these. I say I'm not a control freak. I am in a lot of ways, but it's more to do with the kind of the way things are structured. Because I write the lyrics, I structure a lot of it, and it's got to sort of go with them. So there's a sort of meeting in the middle type thing. Go ahead. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that stuff, but I'll let them do what they want to do, you know, basically.

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So here's my question though is how and where will you let them do it? This is obviously going to change your process a little bit just by virtue of the fact that like for instance you might have to get those drums into a room with decent sound to it. I mean are you going to get a studio involved this time? Well Alan as a mate that does all that stuff he's going to do that at a great distance from us you know where he lives in Detroit and he's going to send it over. It's a bit weird I don't know like we're going to have to have a

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play around with it at first to see how we get it to work but i'm quite confident it will

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because i mean i've seen him doing his drum covers and that before and how he records them and i kind of know and also

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when i mean months and months ago i started researching kind of how he plays drums himself

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because that's how i learned how to drum program i watched drummers play because i can't play at all

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And when I spoke to him, he'd basically been doing the same. He'd been listening to how we write drums. And it's that kind of thing that you need to create that synergy between. So I'm quite confident that he's going to be able to pull that off. As for bass, it's just... Yeah, plug him in. We've never really expanded much on it before.

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in the past, so anything is good.

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It's not just filler now or some representative bass track.

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We'd occasionally do something flashy on bass, but it's kind of like from a guitarist's perspective, whereas Mote is a bassist.

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He's always played bass.

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He's not just a guitarist that's just not as good as the other two, if you know what I mean.

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I do, and it makes a huge difference, by the way.

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I play in a band too and there was one occasion where we recorded something where I had to play on bass underneath the guitar parts and I it did you need a bass player I mean I mean if you really want that to work correctly because like you said it's a guitarist interpretation of bass which is kind of wrong you know just there's something about it that doesn't quite go all the way yeah we need it to be so so that's really cool that you're going to have that that contribution yeah and it's all those things that we're lacking you know in the other albums I think and I know

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I went wrong with this, especially structuring this last album. I mean, just before it released it, I was like, oh, I hate this album. I do that with every single thing. I think I get imposter syndrome a lot, you know, where I think, like, I'm just not as good as all these other people. And I've had that afterwards as well, you know, I've been listening to the new Augury one and just thinking, oh, my God, you know, these guys are absolutely amazing. We're kind of, you know,

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It's good to feel that way. If you get to the point where you listen back to the new album, you go, we're fucking amazing, then that's when you're going to start to have problems because then the ego is going to take over and the music will go shit. You've got to know where you were lacking. You've got to be really critical of yourself in order to improve, don't you? If you don't feel like there's room for improvement, then there's no more room to grow. Exactly. Speaking of influences, did you, what did you,

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Did you like that last Decker Cocker album? Yes. I like anything they'll put out pretty much because it's all wacky. But I tend to be a bit more, I was a bit more influenced by the voices. They were like the other band that's like them. Well, there's actually another one that's very like them, but I don't really count them. But I'm more into it like Gautam Mendes and

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Karanzon era stuff, Rape of the Bastion Nazarene, that kind of weird stuff. But I do like this stuff. Because in a way, in ways, we've gone that way ourselves. We've started to be more prog and less sort of brutal. But maybe that will change. I've no idea.

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I'm just okay so I can offer you the outsider's perspective again there's more prog in it but it's still super fucking heavy dude I mean it that that's one of the impressive things about the new one to me is it is it there's an argument that it's one of the heavier records of the year too if you ask me um for all that that entails you know I mean I know that's a hard thing to put into a box but so that so that's interesting that that's partially your take on it I mean it may not be brutal in simplicity but yeah oh yeah no I there I mean I've listened to sort of

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When I went back to listen to it, because the only bits that stood out for me, I kept thinking about them, and it was probably because it was one of the last songs he wrote, things like Cropkiller, where you've got really just not like us bits in it, and there are softer bits in ones like Salt Thrower, but then later on, obviously, it just suddenly goes all to shit, you know what I mean? So, evil, basically. I always insist on the evil going in.

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I mean I love to do this thing where you contrast

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you know the sort of melody and the quiet bits with the sort of the really horrible parts and I'll probably always do that so those you know those are probably the bits that people are thinking of

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that's reassuring as a listener because one of the things that does happen to some of the bands that

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all of us love is they tend to tire of that somehow I think and move on

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Yeah, this is the thing that's sort of related to what I was saying before. About, I mean, I can't, I don't know their minds, but one of the reasons that we're not that serious is because it's a bit of a joke about the genre in general, is that people don't tend to take it very seriously from the outside. I mean, Sam Dunn was on about that in one of his documentaries, that people just, you know, you get

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I've got people within metal that are super serious and I've had it all about this kind of thing where people just won't listen to us because of what it's about and you just gotta think well listen to what you're listening to and tell me that that is any different you know how is that any different you know Satan and what have you and you get people like what's his face from Mastodon who was like saying oh you know I don't really like metal well of course he's

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like metal at some point but you tend to get this thing where people go off it and sort of oh i'm

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going to do country now i'm going to do jazz i'm going to do a proper type of music which is just

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i find it a bit silly i think it's quite insulting sometimes i have a theory about it actually um if you

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don't mind um yeah well um just that they're well first off i it tends to happen to bands as they get

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more successful.

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And it's because I think they're rubbing shoulders with people whom they start to feel intimidated around.

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I mean, there's this silly video, Metallica, called A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica.

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And I don't suggest you watch it because it takes a year and a half to watch.

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But in it, they sarcastically are always looking at the camera going, middle dude.

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Like they're suddenly that's a problem for them.

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They don't want to.

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And it's because they sold five million records and they feel like the illegitimate child at the party.

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And that's a shame.

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I don't understand that.

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and Mastodon definitely suffers this of late. I was about to mention them. Yeah. And I don't understand it. I totally get it. That was, that's the, well, I don't get it. I do get, I get why they're doing that. Yeah. Yeah. But it feels that it's, to me, that seems so obvious that that's why they're doing that. I love this kind of music. Yep. And I love the sort of the theater and the drama and everything about it. And I love that it's, I love that it's ridiculous. And it's, it's a sort of,

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Still to me, it's spitting in the face of all that kind of attitude that people have. So I have no desire to, it doesn't matter how many jazz musicians I hang around, I have no desire to go that way. To go legit to the outside world. And wow, I have to tell you, this really resonates with me. One of the things I can't stand is when I'll see somebody on Facebook, a friend of mine, who will post the similarities between classical music and metal or something.

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There's this constant fight to legitimize it. I just wanna tell people, it's legit already, dude, just shut the fuck up. You don't have to show people that we use all of these classical structures in our music. Yeah, well that, in a way, I mean, that could lead to what you have now, which is a lot of tech death bands just going through, you know, I don't mind that kind of focus on virtuosity, because I think

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I think it makes it's a adversity thing that's the reason that sort of thrash appeared in the first place and it's there's one side of it that's good in that we get better and better and better because there's this constant fight but then you know I see a lot of people losing in the end to this pull this draw to a more legitimate form of art but it is art and it is I don't I've never really understood that

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And if people think like, you know, I've got a lot of mates who are sort of used to be metal bands now who've like moved on and they see us doing this and it's just kind of like, oh, they're kind of doing that thing that we used to do, you know. And it's just, it doesn't, it just doesn't feel that way to me. I've just, I feel like I've always, I mean, since I was about seven years old, you know, I've been into, I was going to Madalika when I was seven and I was just going to stick at it.

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doing what we do. This is deeply interesting to me to hear this because I agree. I think I honestly think there's a

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personal a level of personal development where you get where you get past that barrier you're talking about.

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Honestly where suddenly you you don't it doesn't have to be some weird clicky thing. There are barriers you don't have to stay within for it to remain metal. It can be a joke as you say. Rob Halford can be gay. Any number of things. You know what I mean? Like things that when I was a kid in junior high wouldn't have worked.

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But then you grow up and I think you personally develop. A lot of guys in metal don't do that development. And so I've suddenly seen you as a much more specialized appeal of a band. There's not a lot of people that think that way. Yeah, I mean, I've seen this a lot of times. There was a guy that was heavily critical of our... He said he loved our music and then he started getting really critical of this new album before it was even out because he felt like I wasn't being true or something.

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And I just kind of was like, you know, fuck you. I don't care. And he's kind of, he's moved. He's just decided to stop listening to it now. And he says, I've moved on. And it's just kind of a really weird thing. I mean, it's fine if you don't like it anymore. That's fine. But it's kind of like I've made peace with all the aspects of the music. Do you know what I mean? I actually just love the music.

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and I'm not gonna it's not about legitimacy or anything like you know yeah you are on the right show buddy I'm not sure I'm not joking this is and the other thing is is that we're all older guys I mean sort of everybody on this podcast is in their 40s to 50s and and and I and I just can't say enough how that's is this kind of weird struggle that happens and and and then sooner or later you do you

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just have to kind of withdraw and just sit there and enjoy your music because you're not going to convert anybody to this kind of forward-thinking thing I'm not making much sense but I just do want to say that that really resonates with me and and it's not surprising to me that you had to develop it in a small town with agoraphobia you know that you got to be in a vacuum to be able to think that well I think yeah I was just I was actually no I've just lost my point go on I just I would go back as far as to say like

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Being young and listening to metal and being told like when you get older that's not going to be something that you listen to in the sense of you know I feel like at the age of 39 I've listened to it more than I ever did as a kid and it just becomes like it is something that defines me I don't know a ton of people in my close circle that listen to a lot of metal and that's okay and It kind of becomes something that I own and that's mine and I'm okay that nobody else enjoys it or sees it as something that's legit whereas we all know from the inside we can laugh at them

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that what we have is very concrete and legit.

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How many people that we went to high school with that liked metal within a few years after high school, you're still going, yeah, you know, death metal just came out. This is awesome. And they're like, yeah, I like country now.

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You know, which is fine. I mean, which is fine. But it is if they walked away for the reason they did, which the reasons we're talking about here, it's a shame. It's a shame.

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And it's a real shame to watch it happen with bands to kind of bring this full circle. Because one of the other great examples I would use of late is Mastodon. And I think they've just walked into a different direction than they're welcome to it, but I'm not going with them. Well, like I noticed, Jay, when certain people in my life started asking me about Mastodon that I know nothing about Mastodon, that was kind of like, oh, okay, how did you learn about Mastodon? You know, and kind of what circles are they starting to enter where it's like it tends to have me put the brakes on a little bit.

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I don't I don't I don't I wouldn't say that I sort of I agree with you that I'm just not going with certain bands in certain directions I'll always like the early stuff and you know remission and I like Leviathan and that but and it's the same with old path in a way I kind of fallen off a bit when it comes to I do like prog don't hit me wrong but I really liked them for that reason I really

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I really liked them because it was the prog folky death metal thing but the death metal thing was absolutely integral to that otherwise it's just gone in a direction it's like you know we've just joined a sort of a lot of other bands that sound like that to me you know it's a frequent that that particular band is a frequent conversation on this podcast because we've some of us are huge fans and some of us were huge fans and and I fit in the were huge fans I think we're just like

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For instance, there was a time there when I thought these guys are gonna rule the world, you know, I mean in my world, whatever that was. Yeah, and then and then as you said, it kind of changed scripts and they're welcome to do it by the way and I even appreciate the people. Yeah, John remains a big fan and John I trust John, you know what I mean? So to me that means they're still doing something worth listening to. It's just not right for me. Oh, yeah, it's still extremely good. I just think that I as well when we get when you say rule the world, I left to kind of resonates with me because we kind of we are in our little

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niche sort of thing and it we're just like sometimes i'll hear a band and i'll just think uh how can everyone not be into this band well if you listen to it it's obvious you know it's screaming and it's you know all over the place you know it's not my job to continually stroke our guests but i would put sludge in that category i was like in the same thing i'm trying to give this record to a few people and the people who don't get it as much as i get it i'm like good then fuck you there's more for me i mean that's how much i like your record yeah but i mean

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We knew that was going to be the case. That's what the esoteric malarcology

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thing was about. To be understood by few. We knew that we were an

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Asian. We don't want to sacrifice the stupid thing that we do just to make... Ultimately, we could... I've heard people saying, "If only they were more serious, I might be into..."

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Get over it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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But I love how it really is meaningful.

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I love how aware of it you are.

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That it was a calculated thing.

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And it's in its way.

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I mean, it really adds a new layer of appreciation for those records.

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I think what it does is it probably opens up even more avenues for you to make it even more ridiculous in your own way if you want to while still putting out good music.

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Because the more you hear people say that, it just drives you to say, well, fine.

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Now I'm going to have a five-headed slug that's going to rule the underworld and it's going to fuck your brains up and it's going to be great music on top of it. I think you can let's load both barrels. Yeah. Yeah. Double fisted on top of that. Yeah. I remember reading an invisible oranges article about once it was saying something like the the fact that it's inaccessible might be the thing that drives them to their highest heights and it's kind of like it does. It really does that kind of. We loved we loved the fact that

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that people were just expecting slam or whatever. Do you know what I mean? Some absolutely sort of... And then that's not what they got. Because that's... You know, I take it to things that I like. Like Akakaka, people like that, where I'd see them and I'd think, what the hell are these people doing? And then I'd hear them and it would all separate. And I would just be like, this is amazing. And it's... People have got to... They're not going to ever get away from Image.

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They're not ever going to get away from what they deem as being serious. And it will always plague their sort of choices. But I really appreciate it when people can see past all that stuff, if you know what I mean. Like I say of our fans, that we have the greatest fans. I mean, they buy, everyone says that, but, you know, ours are buying like every color of vinyl and they're fully into the mollusca thing. And I just love it. I love talking about it as though it's real. Do you know what I mean?

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Anyone that dismisses the band saying, oh, well, they're not taking this seriously, they're not getting any further than reading the song titles. Because once you listen to the music, you realize, wow, the song titles may be tongue-in-cheek, but this is some serious music. But there's something, but I love the satire, too. That's meaningful to me, and it's not just comedy. That sort of commitment to

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to taking this silly thing seriously.

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Also, I feel like you can tell a lot about a person by their sense of humor and how they use a sense of humor.

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And I mean that in a positive way in the sense that I feel like there's another level of intelligence there.

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And I would apply that to your music as well.

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We're not the smarts.

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Yeah, but your English, trust, your schooling was better than ours.

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But it does go back to real issues and real things that aren't serious and you're

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some of those things you're using humor to deal with and you know I think that says good about it.

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It implies more thought than the average person might apply to something.

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Absolutely yeah thank you George.

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Yeah yeah it's some of it some of it's contrived not contrived some of it's sort of

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we know what we're doing we knew what we were doing when we were doing things

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We even knew the kinds of people that would like our music. It's us. It's people like us. So that was what we want. Do you know what I mean? But not exactly like us, but with the same kinds of sensibilities and kind of the way they think. But a lot of it was by mistake as well. It just kind of happened. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, we feel the same way about the people that listen to the podcast.

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do about particular music, at least based on having talked to them. So it's understandable. Yeah, because if they don't like it, they don't listen. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, some people can make stuff and you just, you can't, you can't tell what that person's like, you know, but I think in, you know, if it's, if it's a copy or not a copy, what's the word? If it's very derivative stuff, then I think you can kind of get,

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I don't know if there's when there's not enough of you in it I think I struggle to tell what that band is all about do you know what I mean yeah but I think I like to think that we put a lot of ourselves into it that's the problem with quote-unquote corporate music like metalcore and things like that it's not so much that the style of music is bad and like I've heard a lot of metal people complain about things that sounded too commercial because maybe there were clean vocals or there wasn't you know there was acoustic guitars or something like that and it has

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It's really nothing to do with even the style of music. Any style of music can be good. It's the level of effort and the intent put into it. And if all it is is aping something else that sounds exactly the same, there's no soul. Yeah. I mean, I'm not claiming that we're not derivative in ways. I think it's very difficult, impossible even, to create something completely original because we are building on the shoulders of the people that have come before us. And that's partly what all the song time is.

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are about. I mean, someone said, uh, this isn't, it isn't them paying homage. It's like their declaration of war. And I just thought, no, it's not. It is literally us paying homage to that.

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Well, like you said, everybody, that was clear. That's clear to me, by the way.

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Everybody's influenced by something. I mean, like I said, nothing's nothing under the sun is original, but it's, but it's how you choose to, uh, interpret that, you know, the, the bands that, that are, are, are not

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They're not trying to

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figure themselves out through music.

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They're trying to make something

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that sounds specifically like something else.

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They're like, all right.

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They're kind of...

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Sorry.

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I was just going to say,

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we need to sound like Slipknot.

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We need to sound like

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freaking Avenged Sevenfold or whatever.

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And that's where the problem comes in.

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Yeah.

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I sympathize with that because when I used to play guitar in the mirror

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I actually made one out of cardboard at first when I was a little kid

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and I just used to stand there playing at light

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jumping around to Metallica

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I wanted to be Metallica

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I wanted to be that band

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I wanted to write music like their music

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but you're never going to be that band

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unless you don't write music like their music

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because otherwise you're just gonna be them but i get it like when you listen to your own stuff and if it's a bit too out there it's kind of and some of them are that we've written and we've never put on albums and and i just kind of it's not got enough of what i like and what i like has been dictated by other bands do you know what i mean absolutely and i do think that so we were talking about personal growth at a while back there at least i brought it up and i think that's the thing that happens like we were all that kid in front of the

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There's a point where you have to switch over from understanding. I want to, because I think part of it too is you want to be appreciated like metallic. You want somebody to hear your music and like it the way you're, have the experience you're having. And that's never going to happen until you kind of blow all that apart and just really find your thing. And that's hard to do. That's hard to do it. And it's hard to do it in the world of metal, which is, you know, there's not a lot of great thinkers in metal. There are some there, you can find them.

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But what I mean is already you're in kind of a rough neighborhood. And we have our own self-imposed

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boundaries. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I so I mean I think this all goes to I think and that is really what we're all about in this show that metal is art you know it's it's just as legitimate as any other art form. If you can't feel it I'm sorry but what are you gonna do? Jay I like to say there are there aren't a lot of great thinkers in music period if you want to just go that route then. Good point. I mean let's be honest. I mean what we're talking about in

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Just looking at what's popular today, I would hazard a guess that there are zero in some areas. Well stated, John. I get this a lot, sorry, where I had people, I did an article when I was on about my political opinions because somebody asked me about my political opinions and I'm always careful to say, you know, I'm just an entertainer. I'm not like, you know, don't take to what I take too seriously.

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But some people do

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for some reason

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Some people do

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Yeah

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We're at an hour and 15 minutes here

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which is great

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I'm just loving this conversation

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we're having

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We'll need to kind of transfer

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to the rest of the episode

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Were you going to stick around

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with us then?

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Yeah I will

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Yeah

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So why don't we make that transition

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and get the last questions

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I have one last question

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and it's about the new album

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Have you picked a color yet?

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Yeah

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Not that you have to tell us, but... I was thinking purple, but it might be black. Hmm, interesting. Okay. Oh, yeah. Well, there's a mold, some focus on mold there if you go black. Yeah, black and white. The black mold album? Yeah, black mold album. We won't be slowing everything down, you know. Oh, we can talk about that one for a while. No, Barbara. Is there a ooh-yahs coming our way? No.

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We'll stick to what we've been doing. Hey Matt, before we transition, you can't see it, but I'm here with my two children who do love heavy metal, and they have three questions for you. I'm instituting a new segment, Will's Kids Have a Question. Let's do it. Awesome. First of all, he can't see them right now. Tell them their ages. Yeah, William, who's sitting on my lap, is four and a half, and Evelyn, who is hanging on my shoulder, is seven. And they want to know if you like black

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I do yeah they also want to know do you like Dio I like some of it and I think he's an amazing vocalist but not not all of it no okay and then what's the last question William was he he wants he wants to know if you like pizza pizza yeah but not from Italy I found that it was it wasn't wasn't

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Yeah, they do it wrong there. Yeah. No, it's true. I mean, that makes us all really white people, but it's like people who go to China go, the food's just not the same. No, no, no. I prefer the sort of pizza pie, sort of, you know, the American style pizza. I can't be doing with all that sort of really thin and sort of uncooked hams all slapped on it. I just wasn't enjoying it. I've heard that about Italian pizza. Will you do me a favor, Will, and tell them that those were really good questions? These were good questions.

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Good questions, guys. Say thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, do we want to move on to the news then? All right. So our first news item I thought was interesting. The University of Manchester in

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I don't know what I'm saying.

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some, you know, bullshit study thing. Basically, people that like this kind of music tend to have issues, tend to listen to violent music because they have violent tendencies, blah, blah, blah, or they want to hurt themselves. And I mean, I get that, you know, I listen to heavy metal because it's it helps you deal with what's going on in your life. So I mean, I understand that. I just don't know that it warrants a study.

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I just think you can you know what man you can come up with data that proves anything

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one way or another you know yeah it's all how you word the questions how you construct the study I mean

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any poll they take it for what it is and leave it at that yeah it depends on your objectivity and

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your inherent biases when you go into something you ignore research or data that disproves what you have a

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preconceived notion of what the data should say in the end. In other words, if you're, if you don't like heavy metal and you want to go out and prove this in a study, well then you can ignore research or data that doesn't go along with what you have. Let's not overlook the fact that this was done in Manchester and Liverpool, so I'm wondering if Matt was a part of this study. If I was, it would explain why it might come out like that, but it's kind of,

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It's just a thing that, you know, where they're saying, like, I think I read it, and it said something along the lines of Goths and whatever. I think there's some people, there's personalities that are just sort of drawn to the darker, as the things, you know, it tends to go hand in hand with, you know, I know a lot of people that are into metal who are younger are into, like, serial killers or reading about, you know,

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Yeah, horror films, stuff like that. Some people, I think it's a personality thing where people are just drawn to certain kinds of things. I mean, I was, I love when music sounds evil as fuck. Do you know what I mean? Like really dark. But as I've got older, that's become much less of an aspect of the reason. I love the music because I love the music now. Do you know what I mean? So I can see why it might correlate with that, but it's just, it's nothing to

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with the music which is what the implication is by the article.

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You know it's funny I had picked up these two books recently and one is a tribute to Celtic Frost and one is a tribute to Merciful Fate these little comic book things and they really did a good job of kind of interpreting these bands and one of the things that was reminded of especially with Merciful Fate and Melissa was how fucking scary that record was the first time I heard it and how drawn to it I was.

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And this was a whole different time. People weren't really doing things like that. And so there is some weird aspect of the unknown and the dark and the thing that. But then it starts to just become familiar ground to you. You know, then you're just you're just like, like, oh, but I think that's that sort of search for more and more heavy, more and more brutal stuff. You know, you tend to do that. And I think that that's part of it. You know, like, I mean, you watch horror. You want you want something that's just scary. You want something which is more.

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Yeah, but it's nothing to do with it. I mean, we all have frontal lobes, you know. I mean, I used to do cognitive neuroscience at university, but it was in Preston and not Liverpool. And a lot of it's sort of limbic system trying to express itself, which is your sort of reptile brain, your predator brain, trying to express itself while being stifled by your, not stifled by, controlled by, thankfully, by your orbital cortex.

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Some people, that system breaks down and they go on killing sprees. But, you know, it doesn't mean that we're... Could we please have one episode where somebody doesn't say orbital cortex? Just kidding. That was great. That was the first... That sounded very intelligent. You were just saying how you didn't think you guys were all that smart, but that sounded intelligent. It's just a bit behind the eyes, basically. Yeah. That was cool. You're like, I gotta dumb it down a shade. It's basically, if you're a sniper, it's the kill box.

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Oh, there you go. Can you guys see me now? I tried to choose something. Am I frozen? You can't see me at all. It's just your icon. Okay, moving on. I was really excited by this next one. King Diamond is preparing to enter the studio for his first new album in 11 years. Better be better than that last one. Yeah. But...

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Not particularly.

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I don't know George I don't know King lost something somewhere along the way I'm all for the live shows and everything but I don't I did not care for that last one I thought the last good one was Puppet Master but a lot has changed since the last record in King's life so you know who knows this it's it's been 11 years maybe it's time for that comeback album okay we'll see you know I'm gonna side with you I choose to be optimistic

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If I'm let down, then so be it. Still going to come out before the new Tool album, that's for sure. Probably. So this next one, apparently we had the scoop on this, but we didn't get it out in time. But that's good. I have a comment after you say that. That's a good thing we didn't scoop it. Carcass has demoed 50 minutes of new music for a new album, and these guys talked to Bill Steer at the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest a couple of weeks ago, and he told them something similar. Well, so, but here's my comment on this, is that

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We did get sort of scooped on that in a good sort of way because Carcass, the guy posted this interview and then Carcass themselves on their Facebook page said, you fucking moron. That's been known for a long time. Blah, blah, blah. They really went off on this guy. We saved ourselves some embarrassment. Okay, so we didn't have the scoop. All right. So I just got mine in the mail yesterday. Control denied the other project that Chuck from Death did. Relapse has really released the Fragile Art of Exhibition.

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on vinyl. And as I said, mine just came in the mail yesterday. I got the cool picture disc version. Anybody else checking that out? I don't like the singer that much. Sorry. Anyway. You know, okay. You know, actually, I'll just leave it at that. Fair enough. It's Chuck. I know. What are you going to do? Yeah. So I probably should have removed this one because the album has actually since come out since I wrote it.

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But Septic Tank, featuring Lee Dorian, released a song called Death Face. And they have, in fact, released the whole album now as of several days ago. So, yeah. It's... Well, I'm like, gee, do I talk about what I'm going to talk about? I'll just talk about it now and skip it later. But, yeah, Septic Tank. It's a couple of... Lee Dorian and a couple of other guys from Cathedral playing, like, punky thrash music. And I like it. It's... You know, it's...

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It's different than Cathedral. It's different from his Napalm Death stuff. It's just kind of fun. It reminded me a lot of DRI, Municipal Waste. Yeah, I was thinking Municipal Waste. Yeah. All right. The band Satan has signed with Metal Blades, and they're planning to release an album in late 2018. They signed a multi-record contract, too. Nice. And they're old. Those guys are old. Yeah, we saw them at Maryland Death Fest a few years ago.

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And in fact, you guys interviewed a couple of them. Yeah, sat down with them. Nice guys. Yeah. I thought this next one would interest Jay. James Hetfield has apparently had a guitar made from wood from the garage of the Metallica house. And Jay's always talking about how he lives relatively near to the Metallica house. And that's, of course, where they wrote and demoed Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets.

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Yeah, I'm about five miles from it. Matt, you don't know, but I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, so this is Metallica Central and so on and so forth. But they, he just, I don't know how he got, he just went and grabbed a chunk of wood, I guess. I don't know, or something maybe he's held on to over the years. It's floorboards, I think, isn't it? Oh, it was a floorboard. Have you seen the pictures? Yeah, it's, I think they call it Carl or something like that. Yeah. It's got nails sticking out of it. I don't know how that sounds. I don't know what they're sort of. I'm curious to know. Apparently it's fine. I don't know.

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Well, the irony is that it's this reclaimed wood project, if you will, but I'm sure it cost about $20,000 to produce. I'm sure he paid out the ass. Not that that's a big deal for him, but more power to him. I wish that they could spiritually connect with that garage a little more, but I don't think that'll ever happen again. No, probably not. Probably not. What's their heart? The next few items are all about forthcoming albums.

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of Manowar is going to be releasing a new album by Bloodsworn just next week on April 20th. Doro is getting ready to release in August a new album called Forever Warriors Forever United. I'm a big fan of Doro. I saw her and Warlock back in like 87, and she was amazing. And then I got to see her again last year at Vaken, and holy shit.

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I mean, Matt was there. I fucking lost my mind when she came out. I was just saying, I was glad to share that moment with you. That and Ross the Boss, in fact. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. She wasn't even there in an official capacity, like as a band. She was just part of the like opening ceremonies, if you will. And like came out and played with, you know, a group of other people and stuff. But they did like all we are and stuff like that. And it was just like tears in the rain, man.

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It was amazing. Who else do we have? A Pale Horse Named Death, which is the band by Sal Abrascato, formerly of Type O Negative and Life of Agony. It's been a while. They're getting ready to release a new album this fall, apparently. Power Wolf, who we also saw rocking last year, getting ready. I think I've seen them every year they've been there. They've been there every year I've been there. Wow. They're regulars like Running Wild. Anyway,

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They're getting ready to release a new album sometime later this year called The Sacrament of Sin, one of the few power metal bands that I really like. And most importantly and dear to my heart, Voivet has completed recording a new album that will be also out sometime later this year. Definitely looking forward to that. If there are no other comments, we will move on to new releases.

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This first one, the band is called Ascension, and this is their third album called Under Ether. They're a German black metal band. I came across these guys when their last album came out, and I liked it a lot. I listened to this one. I liked it a lot as well. I was talking to our friend Neutrino, trying to sell him on some other bands, and I just kind of slipped this one in too, and he was like,

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He really liked this one. So I had to go back and listen to it again. And yeah, it's really good. While you were slipping it into Neutrino, I actually bought this album on like a first couple of listens. So first couple of like notes really. It's really good. It's like it's to me. It was kind of like behemoth, like epic black and death metal. I like it a lot. Yeah, I've given it a bit of a listen. I'm not actually I wasn't actually aware of it until you.

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I just say born like the born identity.

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I'll take a stab at it. Slug.

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Jeez.

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Anyway, the album's called Infinity. It's their seventh album. They're a Swiss.

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They used to be just straight black metal, but they've sort of incorporated a little bit of an industrial element, a la like emptiness, perhaps.

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And I've liked their last few albums, so you should check that out.

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Yeah, I checked it out real quickly, and the first couple of minutes I listened to, I did like it.

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My notes are good black metal. Which is like an oxymoron for you, right? Yes. Yeah, that surprises me. Actually, my brewery last night, we had a black and death metal show, and I really enjoyed some of the black metal bands. We're going to get you on our team yet. Who did you have, Will? Imperial Triumphant from New York City and Sick Deer, who are local here in D.C. Then up where you are, George,

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Yeah, yeah.

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In Frederick, Maryland.

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Isn't that, uh, is that, uh, what's his name's band?

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Uh, no, no, that's a band you were telling me about.

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Yeah.

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And then, um, another kind of local blackish, um, band, blackish metal band called,

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uh, Genevieve.

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Cool.

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Anyway, anyway, a side note.

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Next up, we have the new demonical album, Chaos Manifesto.

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It's the fifth album from a Swedish death metal band that has roots in Centinex.

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So if you like Seton X, you should check out Demonical.

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Yeah, I really like this album.

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Yeah, it sounds like Bloodbath and I'm on a mark.

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Sort of bastard child with a bit of entrails thrown in.

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I like this. I like this kind of stuff, though.

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Excellent.

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Awesome. I'm learning a couple things here today.

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This next one is one that is high up on my list right now,

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And that's the new Hands of Despair, Well of the Disquieted. They're a Montreal progressive black death band. It's their third album. And this is right up there with Sludged for me. So it's quite good. Will seems to think it goes a little too all over the place. Isn't that what you said? Yeah, I guess it just... Like, here's a good example. We're interviewing Matt from Sludge. And, you know, they have very...

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There's a lot of aspects of the different subgenres in their music. There's clean singing, there's some progressive stuff, there's some death. But for some reason, when I was listening to Hands of Despair, there's elements of it I kind of like, but overall I just didn't get into it. And I think part of it was that I'm very particular about my clean singing when it's mixed with death. And I think Opeth does it really well.

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I've got a lot of the bands that could do it really well.

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I think Sludge does it very well where it doesn't detract.

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But for some reason, when I listen to Hands of Despair, it detracts from it.

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You despair.

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I am in despair.

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My head is in my hands in complete despair.

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I mean, I'll hate it.

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It's not going to make my list.

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I'm sorry.

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Sorry, George.

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I tried.

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It's all right.

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I listened to it.

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I've got John on my side, right? Yeah, I liked it a lot. I've listened to it quite a bit, and I ended up going back and listening to previous material. I'm fine with it. We'll see. I don't know where it'll make out of my list. It's okay. I'll allow it to live. It's the absolute greatest album I've ever heard in my life. There you go. At least within the last 72 hours. Better than Steel Panther? What?

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that are still paying for music. So there you go. And Jay, I thought you bought it too. Yeah, I like it. I have to give more. It's only gotten listened to once and I listened to it at work. So that means I was distracted, but it appealed to me. I'll be giving it more listens for sure. I like the concept. It's a mental illness and it's about someone with a mental disorder or something. I haven't really listened to it very much. I've heard bits from it, but it's definitely one I might be interested in listening to.

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I have the thing I've been most sold on based on everybody's comments was the

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demonicle which I haven't listened to yet so you got to beat that George okay next we have the new

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panopticon the scars of man on the once nameless wilderness seventh album and it's a double album the

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first half of the album is uh is his traditional uh atmospheric black metal and the the second album is

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is like a folk Americana music, which I'm glad to finally have some of this recorded on an album. I mean, there may be some singles out there that are like that as well. But the like twice, I think we've seen them live now. And they always mix in some of this folk stuff. And I'm like, man, he does this so freaking well. You know, he needs to record some of this stuff. And he finally has. So. Well, I kind of point out to the reason it's a double album is they couldn't fit the title on.

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Well, yeah, because you forgot parts one and two there. Exactly. I didn't. I go ahead. No, I was just going to comment on the parts one and two. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, though. I mean, he does both the black metal and the Americana fabulously, you know, separately and together, you know, so it was nice to hear just a whole album of just straight Americana folk. It would have been interesting had he like mixed them together. So it was like maybe two songs are black metal, then a folk song, then another black metal.

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But, you know, keeping them apart was okay, too. I can always put it on mix. Yeah, I love this album, and I love the concepts as well. Have you known them for a while? I take it probably. Yeah, I've listened to everything they put out. It's one of my favorites of recent times, this one. Yeah, they come up on the pod a lot. So next up is The Septic Tank, which we already kind of talked about.

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Riding Civilization is the first album. Unless anybody else has a comment on that, we can move on. All right. And the final new release, Skeletal Remains, Devouring Mortality, their third album. They're from California, and they do sort of, I guess, an old school death metal, maybe. That's the right way to put it. And this one's a step forward from the last one. I'm a huge fan, but I know their stuff. I like to talk about California bands. I've seen them a couple of times because they roll through here with,

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They'll come down to open for people. It's just a bunch of Hispanic kids that are in some farm town that living in their little death metal bubble. And this one is a step forward for them. So bless their hearts. Yeah, I bought it. I like it. Yeah, I thought you would. Yeah, it's decent. It's decent. I mean, it's nice. It's not going to change your life, but it's good stuff. Yeah. All right. Why don't we move on to Skull Crushers? This time we have Jay versus Kiss.

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Now, for Matt or anybody else that doesn't know, Skullcrushers is essentially where one of the guys each episode will pick a band and then the rest of us try and hit them with essentially trivia questions to see whether or not their knowledge is as good as they like to think it is. And so... And since Matt and Matt are both with us, I do have to add a caveat to this. The reason I chose this band was as a kid in the 70s, I was crazy about Kiss. And that's not to say I think

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They're silly now or anything. I don't like what they do now, but in the 70s, they were hard to beat for me. And they're one of the first bands that I really kind of trained myself on with metal and rock and roll. So I read everything. So it's going to be hard to stump me on this. We'll see. I did enjoy your last conversation. I know, I know little to nothing about Kiss. So I'm going to be useless in this. Well, sit back and relax. You're about to learn a lot. What are you saying, Matt? I have to say, Jay, I did enjoy your conversation about Kiss on the last podcast. The one from the Beer Fest. With Jonas?

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Well, I had an older cousin who would invite me to kiss, which would actually, is going to be one of my, or my only question for you. But so I spent a little bit of time with him, but definitely not a ton. Yeah. Well, if you were eight years old in Wisconsin in 1979, it was the thing to do. Well, why don't we start with your question then, Matt? Come at me. Well, when I was 10 years old in Duluth, my cousin gave me a dubbed cassette of a kiss album, which would be my first kiss album, Jay, which album.

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What was that? Your first Kiss record? Yeah. Your first Kiss record was? It was also the first vinyl record I bought. What year was it? Well, I would have been. And I know it wasn't necessarily the new record, but. He was 10. So he's 39 now. This is a math question. It would not have been a new, it would not have been the new album at the time. Okay. But it was in the 70s, you said? I would, I'd say it would have been in the 80s. In the 80s. But yeah, I think the album we're talking about is from the 70s. Okay. I believe it was Love Gun. Dude.

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Nice. The force is strong with him. Just drop the mic. I pulled that one out of my ass. I would have gone... I can't even think of what it is. What the hell is it called? Jay, what's the one I'm thinking of? Rock and Roll Over. No, no, no, no. Let's see if I can read everybody's mind. Destroyer. Oh, yeah, okay. That was a reasonable second guess. Yeah, for sure. But, I mean, from my standpoint, Jay, as a not-the-biggest Kiss fan,

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That will always be true, you know near and dear to me Love Gun because that was the first time I heard I memorized those songs back and forth on the cassette as I flipped it back and forth and so I don't know like we're in real kiss fans I don't know where that album stands within the whole their own catalog but I would say that's what I have to say. Yeah, right. All right. Why don't we do John then? I'm gonna give you an easy one to start Jay. Perfect. Can you name which song by kiss is not about sex?

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Trick question. They're all about sex. Now that we've got that out of the way, since no one's confused anymore, what is the original name of when Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley first got together? Wicked Lester. Before that. Fuck you, man.

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I didn't know this and I'm hoping this is not just anecdotal information for me but things could have went quite differently had they stuck with this name. Was it something like the wild you know traveling flower band or something like that or I don't know what it is. I'm sure I'll know when you say it. In terms I guess the first recording stuff they did yes was Wicked Lester but apparently they were originally named Rainbow before they became Wicked Lester and I thought that could have went really bad. Who's around first?

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Rainbow or Kisses Rainbow? It would have been Kiss, probably. That would have been like 1970, I think, when they got there. Yeah, okay, yeah. Okay, a couple more here, Jay. Which famous guitarist auditioned before Ace Frehley joined the band? So he actually went in right before Ace Frehley went in to audition for the band. I do know this. Wow, you got good ones, John, because usually I'm just like... Well, I'll give you this hint. You can phone a friend, you can phone Jonas.

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Is it Bob Kulik? No. I'll give you a hint. The band he ended up in has slightly similar traits to Kiss. Steel Panther? The dude from Ellis Cooper? No. The dude from... I don't know. Apparently J.J. French from Twisted Sister. Oh, that makes sense. He's from New York. Yeah, and then you have the whole... Twisted Sister has a similar stage...

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and some of the dress up and stuff like that. I didn't know that. Wow, so far the only one I've gotten right I couldn't possibly have known. All right. I got two more for you real quick. Who is famous with saying Gene Simmons probably invented breathing in shoes? Paul Stanley. I'm sure Paul said that somewhere down the line, but no. I'll give you a hint. Did you watch the movie Metal? A Headbanger's Journey.

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God, you're getting me some good ones. Oh, I know this. That's the only one I do know. Oh, well, fucking let it out, man. Yes, it is. He's very tongue-in-cheek because later on in the movie, he takes a shot again about the fact that Gene Simmons put a patent on OJ. Right, right, right. Oh, and yeah, the whole thing. All right. You put a patent on orange juice? OJ. I think the phrase OJ, if I'm not mistaken.

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Just breathing and shoes. That's two good choices, by the way. Pretzels and dogs. Exactly. He invented the wheel. Gene Simmons invented the wheel. I expected to really wow you guys. Hold on, Jay. Let's see. If you know this one, then there's some concerns. If he knows this, there's some concerns. But nonetheless. Do you know what the song Plaster Caster is about? I do.

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See? Concerns. I believe it was the GTOs, but it was a groupie group, and they had one particular person who would make a plaster cast of various artists' private areas so that they could later then make sex toys out of those. Which is funny, because it's such a sort of radio-friendly song. And when you're 12, like I was, the first time you heard it, you're like, this is great. I have no idea what it was about. Kind of like the first time you heard Nothing to Lose, then you realize what it's really about.

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All right. That's all I got. Okay. Those are good. I did read them a little bit. Will? I think these are all softballs. Perfect. All right. I mean, this first one is a super softball. Like, if you don't hit a grand slam on this, then I'm going to hang up. Are the bases loaded for him to hit the grand slam? Yeah, they are. There's a whole bunch of questions he missed that are on base right now. Oh, okay, okay.

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What is the first album where they took off their makeup? Lick it up. Okay. So I want to give you a softball. This one is slightly less of a softball. It should still be a softball. You know, do my lyrics thing. I'll read you some lyrics. I'll read you the first line and see if you know the song. Sure. I know a thing or two about her. Christine 16. Oh, wow.

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Yep. First line of the first Kiss song and the first Kiss album. Get up and get your grandma out of here. Okay. And then this, I'm going to brutalize you. Name all the Kiss records in order and you can stop at, I'll give you a hint, number 11 is Lick It Up.

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I have to name that one. See if you can name the first ten in order. Self-titled. Hotter than Hell. Dressed to Kill. Alive One. Just Studio. Destroyer. Rock and Roll Over. Love Gun. Alive Two. Four Solo Records. Paul Gine's Rino. Dynasty. Si Senor.

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Unmasked.

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Claracousy.

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Music from the Elder.

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Mm-hmm.

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Creatures of the Night.

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Well done, sir.

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Lick it up.

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Animalize.

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And then it gets really hazy after that because this was when I was, you know, listening to Slayer.

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In 1985.

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I won't get the rest except Hot in the Shade, Crazy Nights.

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Asylum was after that.

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Asylum.

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Asylum.

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Crazy Nights, Hot in the Shade.

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Hot in the Shade.

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That's where I stopped.

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Revenge maybe yep Revenge

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boy it's really weird after that Carnival of Souls yep

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Psycho Circus yep

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and then they had two after that one was called Monster and one was called

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Sonic Boom but I don't know whatever they came in

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Sonic Boom first Monster in 2012 so uh well done sir

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it could have been worse

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no I'm much like you where I grew up like my first

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I remember when I moved into my new house when I was four and the kids next door who were my age and boy was a little bit older they were obsessed with Kiss and so therefore in the mid-70s I was obsessed with Kiss and I had Kiss vinyl I had double platinum on my head um love gun I had a live one or two I forget which one um but like Kiss was one of my first rock and roll loves and uh I started I followed them all the way up to

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I actually weirdly enough I really like Lick It Up, Analyze, and Asylum. I think Asylum is one of my favorite ones weirdly enough. I saw them my first concert was Animal Eyes tour. I was 13. So I have a deep appreciation for them but I guess as my musical taste got more extreme kind of like you in the 80s you started listening to Vitalik of Slayer the big four and all that stuff. And Shona Worsley came out and everything went south after that. South of Heaven.

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Thank you!

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Alright.

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Got a couple, uh, um, John George. Anyway, uh, who created the, the kiss logo? Ace Freh. Yes. There's another easy one. What record label released their first 10 studio albums? Casablanca. Well, that's the same record label that went bankrupt because of them. Nice. Okay. Uh, let's see. We already did the wicked Lester question. Um, how long,

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How long did it take Love Gun to go platinum? Ship platinum, I believe. Hmm? It's shipped platinum. Not quite. Okay, so let's just say two weeks. That is it, two weeks. All right, and my last question. What color are the fingernails on the back of the Hotter Than Hell album cover? That's good, George. And I have to be honest with you, I don't have that on vinyl, so I would say it's one of two.

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colors. It's either black or red. I want to start with black. Nope. Wow, that's a good question, dude. Orange? Nope. Green. Green! That was my next guest. Shoot. It really was. I would have never. I was like, if he knows this one, I will truly bow down to him. You know, it's funny. I don't think I ever owned that one on vinyl because my funds were limited as a child, so I only had like six Kiss records and then I started getting cassettes and stuff.

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All right. All right. Let's move on to our top five.

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This time in honor of Molluska, we're doing our top five songs about creatures from the animal kingdom and or monsters of any kind. Anything remotely animal related is going to count here. This is going to be fun. My prediction is that we're all going to be going, God damn it, I didn't think of that. So this will be a good one. Yeah, I think you're right because I just picked the first five that came off the top of my head.

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Hello, your mind. All right. Now, Matt, you said you came up with a list. Yeah. Again, there's just sort of the first five that I could think of. Yeah, that's the way. It's really, really difficult because it says an animal in the name and you don't know whether it's about an animal. It doesn't have to be necessarily about just referencing it in some way. Right. So. This is a fundamental exercise. But so give us just your five. We'll go around with it. Yeah. Well, the way we do this is, you know, we'll start, we start with a guest and then we work

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For each of us, we all give our five. Then it'll loop back to you. You'll do your four and we go around and do our fours and so on down to our number one. So give us your number five. And feel free to jump in and ridicule anybody. So my first one was obvious to me. It's Destiny of the Slug by Circle of Dead Children. Nice. Nice. That is a good choice and an appropriate choice. That was awesome. All right. You're already winning this list. Other Matt. Matt.

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I know this one is completely outside the realm a little bit but I had to go with

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werewolves of London. Ooh. Oh.

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Zivon. Love it.

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I did this. I made this list while I was snowblowing in my mind

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this morning.

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Yeah, because I forgot to send him the list and talk to

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the script that is. So sorry about that.

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No worries.

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All right.

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Sorry, did it snow up there, Matt?

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Just a couple flakes here and there.

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Hence the need for a snowblower.

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Yeah.

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All right, John.

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So I actually did put a little effort into thinking how I wanted to choose my songs. So all my songs actually refer to the monster creature animal that I'm referring to in the song. So because I did come up with a bunch that I thought were cool. And I'm like, wait a minute, this is about some dude's relationship with an evil woman. And I was like, that's just not doing it for me. And I made it a little tongue in cheek with my first pick.

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I originally wanted to go with the song Sasquatch from Tenacious D, but I changed it and went with the song Kong. And if you haven't heard that, it's probably one of their only metal songs they've actually recorded despite being an acoustic metal band. And I feel King Kong doesn't get enough love in the metal world. So, Kong, Tenacious D. Right on. After we just got back from New York City on spring break with my kids and went to the Empire State Building, they've been obsessed with

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King Kong and they watched the 19 whatever 39 version of it and then we jumped to the 2005 version with Jack Black speaking of tenacious. Oddly enough is in the film. Yeah. I like the 70s version. I thought that was really good. Yeah they didn't see that one yet. Anyway my number five. Love this band. Love this song. Love this album. Cattle Mutilation by rigor mortis off the album Freaks. Nice.

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All right. Jay.

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Brace yourselves. You guys are going to be like, you're brilliant.

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Okay, now I've overplayed it.

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Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden.

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Because of the albatross?

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Because it's about an albatross.

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All right.

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I actually thought about that one.

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That brings it to me.

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Great minds.

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And my number five is Acid Bath, Scream of the Butterfly.

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Thanks.

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Why are you laughing at me? No, I'm only laughing at you. You're Mike, Will. No, no. I'm not laughing at you. It's more of I didn't realize that there was a song called Screaming the Butterflies and my kids are obsessed with butterflies. I'm like, butterflies don't scream. Yeah, well, I don't know if you want to listen to an acid bath. Yeah. That's right. I didn't realize you guys couldn't see me, but they were for probably a good 20 minutes sitting on my lap.

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with headphones on, listening to all this.

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And the amount of F, they've never heard so many F-bombs in their life.

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And I thought like, no, no, no, it's fine.

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Trust me.

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They listen to metal.

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They hear it.

01:48:16.580 --> 01:48:20.380
It's just, but I didn't realize you guys didn't notice that my kids were sitting on my lap for 20 minutes.

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Nope.

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Because you can't see me.

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Hey, Will, I don't think that's how earmuffs work.

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Yeah.

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Earphones, earmuffs.

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Wait, wait, you can hear everything?

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Yeah.

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If you say earmuffs, then you can say as much as you want that.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Let's go back to England for number four.

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Crippled Horses by Pit Destroyer. Nice! Pit Destroyer. New record coming this year, by the way. Good, good. Yeah. All right. Another Matt? Matt, Matt. The Wolf is Loose, Mastodon. Yes! Good card. Up for consideration with me. All right, George, you can queue up the crickets for this. I went with some mythology here. Symphony X, The Eyes of Medusa. Ooh, interesting.

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Yeah, well, yeah. And, you know, mythology. All right. William. My number four, this may be too obvious or maybe too obvious, but the reference, the animal reference is probably more obscure or a metaphor, but war pigs, black sats. I thought about that one, yeah. Too bad it's not about pigs, but. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Oh, they're pigs. Pigs in a trough. They're pigs. Easy.

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All right, Jay.

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This is the last old-school thing I'm throwing in there, but from Welcome to My Nightmare, Alice Cooper, Black Widow.

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Cool.

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Oh.

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Yeah, I didn't think of that.

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And it really is about Black Widows, by the way, very specifically about spiders.

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All right.

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My number four, Riot on Wings of Eagles.

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That just sort of popped into my head.

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That was probably the first thing I thought of.

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from their Thundersteel album. Such a killer album. And yeah, I like that one a lot. All right, back to Matt. Wolverine, Blues, N-Ting. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a good one. That's very nice. Number three, I've got Wolf's Blood for the Misfits. Oh, dang. I didn't think of that. Yeah. I think we're going to do a lot of like... Yeah, Jay predicted that. So...

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All right, my number three, I could basically pick any song off of this album, but I went with the opening track from Macedon, Blood and Thunder. There's going to be a few of those. There's one that I'm predicting that, well, it's probably John's number one. I obviously won't see what it is, but I have an idea. I had Blood and Thunder, but there is another one which I might try and pick before he can pick it.

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get around to me too so watch out but i'm number one and i'll bet it's i bet i

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considered it too but i went with this one just because he actually mentions the whale in it so

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if it's off for a mission you might as well get it in before i can damn it oh no that's my number two

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is that just north north of where you are from is what you're referring to uh pretty far north but

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yeah god damn it fuck i thought i was gonna be the only one who had that no i thought about that too

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All right, well, what's your number three? Where are we? Yeah, you. Wait, you skipped me. Oh, sorry. We did just to John. Sorry. My number three. Again, rigor mortis from the album Freaks, Six Feet Under, Worms of the Earth. There you go. You like rigor mortis, don't you? I do. He just picked up one record. It was like, I'm done. One stop shopping. This is easy. All right, here's a,

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I can't believe I didn't think of that one for you guys. Exodus Piranha. Dude, that is my number three. It is my number three. I was all like, nobody's going to have this. We'll be Piranha buddies. Oh my god. You stole my thunder. Well, I'm mentally hugging you. Alright, well. And now the last two are going to be a fucking shit show because I think we're about to fight it out. We'll see. I think, well, no. What do you got, Matt? Oh, is it May now? March of the

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Fire Ants by Mastodon. Nice. That's another one I consider. Cool. All right. Let's do the safe. Number two, the thing that should not be. Ah. Nice. Cthulhu. Yeah. Just a big lumbering monster. All right. Keeping with the whales from Gojira, which is also a mythical creature, too. Oh. Flying whales. That was my prediction.

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That was my number one. Hey, John. No. My number two? There you go. Lying Whales. Oh, boy. So that was it. My number two? Old Nessie, Mastodon. There you go. Oh, yeah. Easily my favorite track on that record, too, by the way. Oh, hands down. I'm a fool for me, too. Yeah, I agree. That was the one that was the sign of things to come. The whole record is good. My number two, Ozzy Osbourne, Bark at the Moon. Nice.

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Number one.

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Right, I'm going to have to just think one at random.

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Pork Farm by Brittle Truth.

01:53:44.440 --> 01:53:46.480
You came up with that quick, dude. Nicely done.

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Dude, we just spent all last weekend hanging out with Dan Lilliker.

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Yeah, we were at the...

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I love that band.

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Yeah, we were at the Decibel Medal and Beer Fest, and we spent a lot of time with him. He's a real nice guy. All right. Yeah. My number one, I feel like I might be outside the circle again, and I don't give a shit, but my number one is Number of the Beast. I figured that would be in here somewhere. Works. All right. I'm going with the big fella, the Lizard King. If you have that album, you know what I'm referring to from Some Enchanted Evening. Bloister Cult.

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Godzilla.

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Come on.

01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:30.940
He's the king of all monsters.

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Well done.

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My number one.

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It's already been mentioned.

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Blood and Thunder.

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Macedon off Leviathan.

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I cannot stand new Macedon, but old Macedon is unbelievably good.

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And that is my favorite, all-time favorite Macedon song.

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You could have picked anything off that album and it would have been good.

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And I did.

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My number one is Hearts Alive.

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Well, I wanted to do that too, Jay. I wanted to blow the dungeon. That's talking about swimming at the bottom and so on and so forth. And by the way, I love Moby Dick. It's a great book. And that record is just close to my soul. George, number one. My number one, I brought a friend along to tell you about it. And the moral of this story is this is what not to do if your bird shits on you. The reign of the ancient mariner! All right. Wait, sir. So is it the mariner or the bird? The albatross.

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The Bird.

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Not to do when your bird shuts on you.

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Plus it ends with, that record ends with, that song ends with, that we should love all things that God made.

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Yes.

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I think it's about talking about the animals.

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So it's really about cruelty to the animals.

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Yep.

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Awesome.

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All right.

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Well, good lists.

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Let's do What Are We Listening To?

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Matt, is there anything you can tell us you've been listening to lately?

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It's always a mixture of sort of old and new. So, obviously, new stuff. Where Owls Know My Name, Rivers and Isles. Yeah, great album. The album that I've been just blown away by, for some reason, is Elusive Golden Age by Augury, their new one. I really, really like that. Necrophobic, Mark of the Necrogram. Cobra Spreed Venom by The Crown, because I absolutely love The Crown.

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Again, it's just, I think, something going back to that old Death Thrash panopticon, skies of man and on the once nameless wilderness. Wild wilderness, yeah. But, yeah, just like I've been listening to a lot of older stuff as well, like His Hero is Gone, old, like, cross-punk Monument of Thieves, and I've been re-listening to all of the Black Dahlia's old stuff. I kind of... I have a good conversation with him, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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I kind of fell off a little bit but yeah I've been redoing all that um yeah I can't really think of anything else to be honest at the moment but yeah that's a very good list uh Matt Matt uh still been listening to a ton of Rivers of Nile um I'm expecting a restraining order from them on that uh ton of the new uh Panopticon some skeletal remains uh here's gonna be my butcher of the name I think they're Winterfiles yeah

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Possibly.

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Lettrous Nocturne.

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I've been reading Randy Bly's book, so I've been revisiting some old Lamb of God.

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After listening to your last podcast, I've been spending some old Incantation and Repulsion.

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And also some Slugsh, as well as...

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I've been revisiting some older stuff.

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I've been listening to a ton of How the West was one.

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Just that older Zeppelin.

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Just nice to hear how heavy that band actually...

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I mean, they always were, but just a reminder of how heavy. Is it because you picked up the, there was like just a re-release of that on vinyl, I think. No, no, but I did see that and I thought, God, I really need to get that. No, I just kind of stumbled, you know, to be honest, after having a family, one thing I do a lot of is painting and one thing I fucking hate to do is painting. So I have to, I have to just pick some good music and spin it and say, we're doing my daughter's room and I'm like, you know what, we're a big Thor family. So, uh, immigrant songs,

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was very prevalent in the new movie and so I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna spin some Zeppelin and I threw all that because I was trying to get to the I was just kind of jonesing for Moby Dick and I just started from scratch and you know, enjoyed enjoyed it to its fullest. So the that that acoustic set on there is killer too. Yep. That's about it. John. So most of my stuff is all new. Actually, it's all new. Actually, hands of despair and listening to a lot. The new barren earth conflicts of

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The Skelter Remains, still listening to The Altars of Grief, and an album that's coming out this coming Friday, I believe, which I like a lot. I'm pretty sure George likes it. I know Jay likes it, and I don't remember hearing Will if you liked it or Matt, but King Goat, Dead of Aeons. Yeah, very good. No disagreement there, sir. Will? Willem. What am I listening to? What have I bought? What have I purchased?

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So in my house, there's always Black Sabbath, Dio, and Iron Maiden vinyl spinning with my children. I bought the new, I think it was Greg Kelly, one of the listeners who likes to tag us on Twitter and introduce new music. He told us about Atone, their self-titled album. So I bought that, checking that out. My friends in Fohammer, local DC band, they have a new album out called

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I got the digital copy and I pre-ordered the vinyl. Look at me. I just said pre-ordered the vinyl. Who would have thought? I've come a long way. Surprisingly enough, I always thought Skinless Savagery, I always thought they were more of like a metal deathcore band and it doesn't seem like it as much in this new album or maybe it just had a mis...

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a bad preconception in this band. But we got the promo in the box. I've been listening to that. So I'm kind of looking at that. After the Decibel Fest, I've been listening to a lot of Monster Magnet. Thank you, Jay, for dropping those files in the box. I've been listening to a lot of that. And a couple of days ago, I just blasted it all day on outdoor speakers in my new house, doing yard work. And my kids are running around with their friends in the backyard, and they just listen to Monster Magnet all day. I wish you were my dad, dude. All the time.

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Yeah, seriously.

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Slaves BC, My Friends Out of Pittsburgh,

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Lo and I Am Burning, their new album.

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Been listening to that.

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An album that I know is going to make my year-end list,

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Crescent, The Order of Amity,

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Death Metal Out of Egypt.

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And I fucking love this band.

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Real quick, the last couple,

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Eartharia, Awaken the Sun, Scientist, Barbailith, Barbailith, Barbailith. That's a good album. The band I was kind of surprised that I liked for weird reasons, but Primordial, Exit of Months of Ruins and Exile of Months of Ruins. And I like it. There's a lot of parts. I mean, I like the whole album, but it does seem like it kind of meanders a lot. And I wish I would just almost like tighten up and shorten the songs.

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And when I read the Angry Metal Guy review, they said the exact same thing. I think they were a little more harsh on it than they needed to be. But still listening to a lot of Nusrat, their album, The Creeping Unknown. Phenomenal death metal. Really like it. And I just picked up the vinyl last night for Imperial Triumphant, their album, Abyssal Gods. Big triumphal bastard. Throbbing blue vayner right there.

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I mentioned earlier they're a black metal band out of Manhattan and they played on a fucking phenomenal show last night at Atlas and then along with them sick deer got their new CD they gave it to me last night the new album's called The Wretched of the Earth and then last but not least by any stretch of imagination is Sludge Esoteric Malacology Sludge come on Will I'm sorry

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I've been spinning that a lot. That'll definitely make my year endless. Cool. I'll be brief. I got into a carcass downward spiral because of the last podcast and spent a lot of time with Carcass over the last couple of weeks. I, too, have been listening to the Rivers of Nehal. I don't know if I pronounced that right. No. Alters of Grief. No, it wasn't Rivers of Nehal. Alters of Grief Iris. I don't remember who pushed that on me, but I'm digging that. Then I, you know, I don't know. I think I'm the

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biggest enthusiast on this show but the live behemoth record really kind of does add a new weird edgy kind of cool garagey aspect to the satanist totally worth your time if you don't listen to it um unlike or just like will i i like the primordial record when it came out then i kind of fell out of love with it and now suddenly it's coming back into my view so i've been listening to that and you find the same thing that's just like super i would use the word samey it can be real samey you know like it just yeah it's droney but but some of it some of

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Its Moments are just like really epic you know so you gotta work for it but it's worth listening to and then the final two I'll mention I really have with all deference to Matt listened to Slugged a lot this year but I had it I had it in every day this week since we're getting ready for the interview and finally a record that I think is one of the best records to come out of this year by a long shot the King Goat record Dead of the Ends

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Nice. So good. I'm obsessed with that record, actually. I keep putting it on. There's so many good moments in it. All right. I will not be brief. It's been a while. It's been a while. We didn't get to do much in March, so I've sort of got a stockpile. You guys can't see it. John just got up and walked out. Screw you, John. All right.

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Matt, just, you know,

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they give me a lot of grief on here because I tend to have a lot of things that I,

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I like a lot of music. And so I listened to a lot of stuff.

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And so they always get on me about my long lists.

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Um, but Hey, fuck them.

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But I'll also say this, we are coming to the end of the show.

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So you take your time.

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Everybody's about to be able to stand up and get some.

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Exactly. So, uh, by the way, I did, when we were up in Philly,

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I did buy the sleep album on vinyl. Wait, did you really know which one was it? Did you really buy one? Yeah. Which one did you get? The sleep sleep one, the big one? Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, Dragonaut and all that stuff. All right, my first one, we are in A. They're all alphabetical, so that'll give you a clue as to where we are. First is Altars of Grief, Iris, their second album, their Saskatchewan, Black

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They kind of remind me of Woods of V-Prey, which is why I really dig them. Next up, it's not out yet, but we got the promo for the new Amorphous Queen of Time. This is also very good. One that I picked up just today. No, Sunday. I got it yesterday. Bog Haunter. Bog Haunter. It's an EP actually called Rive. It's like a two-song EP. It was pretty good, so I snagged it.

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Also, I picked up Blurring, the first album, and Cloudburner, which is the Dan Lilker project. Deep River Acolytes, The Hour of Trial. It's the first album from a Finnish doom band. The next one I got from Will, Eartharia, Awaken the Sun. It's a Finnish prog-death EP. The Grotesquerie, The Lupine Anathema, fourth album of

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pretty much just straight up Swedish death metal. Is Galder to the Hall of the Stars, a debut EP of German black metal. Of course, the King Goat album, Debt of Aeons, second album of Progressive Doom, very, very good album, and that'll be out, I think, next week. Letras Nocturne, Occultoclysmic, South Carolina death metal band, one that Jay neglected to mention.

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But he told me about Mesa, Feast for Water. He's like, shucks! I muted my mic so I could cough and snort and stuff, but goddammit! Yeah, that's a really good record. Female Singer, but eerie female vocals done correctly. Not that it's going to be done incorrectly, but her voice really works with that band. Are they from Middle East? Yeah, Italian Doom. Italian Doom. Worth your time, I think you'd dig it well. No, I think I listened to it and I did like it. I just need more time with it. Yeah.

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We're up to M. We're still in M. Monotheist Scourge. They're a Florida progressive death band. I'm sure Will probably likes them. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I have to check it out. Didn't you send it on Messenger? I might have. I sent a lot of things you guys don't listen to. Oh, yeah. You listen to a lot of things we don't like. Well, screw you. Next up, I've been listening to pretty much the whole catalog for next week.

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Because Killjoy passed away. And yeah, just been checking that out. I've frequently ragged on them in the past because in the 90s I didn't really care for them. But the last few years I've gotten back into it and decided it is actually pretty cool. And so that sucks that he's no longer with us. Next up, Noose Rot, the Creeping Unknown.

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Mentioned by Will. That's actually Adam from Skeleton Witch and Wolfhammer on vocals there. Yet another style from him. Octopus, The Supernatural Alliance. I don't know much about them. They're from Michigan. I know that. And they're like a hard rock band a la Royal Thunder. I really kind of dig that album. A little proggier, maybe a little proggier than that, but definitely more hard rock than metal. It's pretty cool stuff.

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And then Order of Riven Cathedrals. How cool is that name? Order of Riven Cathedrals. And I picked up both of their albums. The first album, The Discontinuities Interlude. And their second album, Gobleki Tepe? It's actually, I think it's a place. And I actually looked it up about a month ago. It is. It's in Turkey, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And I looked it up to pronounce it and I knew it then.

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but I forgot to reference it today so I'm sure the pronunciation was all off on that you were you were close okay not too bad but that's like a tech death from Italy and it's just insane I really like it a lot pestilent rain pyres first album of German death metal pretty good I picked that up on band camp this one I just started listening to today because it came out on Friday this is the long lost pungent

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The Dench Album, Smut Kingdom, was actually recorded back in 2006-2007. And then the band sort of split up and disagreed with each other. And so they didn't end up releasing the album. They just finally released it. And it's pretty cool. Replicant, Negative Life, New Jersey death metal band, their first album. Rune Shard, Dreaming Spire. This is the debut EP for a Hungarian symphonic black metal band.

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And when I heard this, I snagged it right away because it reminds me of Balsagoth, like very much so like Balsagoth. And I really wish Balsagoth would get back together because symphonic death or symphonic black metal has kind of jumped the shark in many ways. Which reminds me, I did listen to the new Demu album, took one for the team. And that's an example of what not to do now with symphonic black metal. However, it wasn't as bad as I,

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expected it to be. In fact, I mean, it was okay.

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So it was better than the last time you took one for the team, is what you're saying?

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Yes, it was definitely better than the new Therian album and, like, light years better than the new Machine Head album.

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It was tolerable. You know, it's not something that would make a list. It's not something that I'll probably put on, but it's listenable.

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But Belsagoth, back in the day, they did symphonic black metal right.

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Only a couple more. As Will mentioned, the new skinless album Savagery. It's not out until next month, but it sounds cool. We got the promo. Sojourner, The Shadowed Road, epic black metal from New Zealand by way of Sweden. Are they the guys who have the phenomenal album cover? It's Scotland, I think. I was speaking to him. Oh, really? Was it? Him and his girlfriend, isn't it?

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I think they're sure they're in Dundee. Okay, well. Yeah, because he added me through slugs. All right, cool. Yeah, well, we talked to them on Facebook recently. Oh. But, yeah. They might be moving around. No, no, well, the location I just got off the internet. So it was like, it just said that like some were from New Zealand and some were from Sweden. But it was technically listed as international. So. Oh. Hey, George, is that the one with the album?

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It's got like a giant like land bridge to like a castle or something like that. Who am I thinking? Right. Is that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They may be up for album artwork of the year for me. Cool. I thought it was awesome. All right. Three more. Suspiria, the new album, The Lyricist. They're like a Norwegian black thrash band. I haven't really paid attention to them in a while. This is their sixth album. They got a new singer and I really like this album. Excuse me.

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So I was kind of surprised by that. I haven't really listened to them in a while. Second to last album, Thy Antichrist, Wrath of the Beast. I think Jay turned me on to that one. I like that a lot. You like it when Jay turns you on. I like it when all of you turn me on. The whole thing. They're from Columbia, I think. Yeah, South American. Yeah, I've been there. How come you didn't check them out? That was a lot. They probably haven't been around since the last time I was there, which is like 2009.

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And finally,

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from Australia,

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Vyrant and their first album,

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Exordium.

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It's like a death thrash kind of mix and kind of surprised me.

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I just listened to it on a whim and I was like,

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Hey,

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this is actually pretty good.

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So check it out.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was pretty good.

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I listened to it yesterday.

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Excellent.

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All right.

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Well,

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this brings us to the end of the episode.

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We want to thank Matt for coming on and sticking around for the whole

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long, gory thing. Oh, thank you. It's been good. Yeah. You know, I really, I think we had a really nice conversation with you. So I just, I really, again, want to just say thanks for coming on. And it's nice to talk to somebody who I think has at least somewhat similar worldview where metal is concerned as we do. So very cool, man. And we're looking forward to number five. Yeah. Yeah. When it comes. Yeah. Yeah. No worry. Take it down. But in the meantime, we'll see how many,

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year-end lists you've managed to obliterate this year with this one. So go up on Bandcamp and check it out and pick them up. Spelled S-L-U-G-D-G-E, right? Yes, now say it properly, Will. And I mean, think about it before you... Sludge. You don't have to go jet. Just sludge. Sludge. There you go. I'm learning. It's fine. You're a teachable guy. If we didn't have company, I wouldn't have done that, sorry.

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And so before we go, make sure to check us out on Facebook and Twitter and Bandcamp and SoundCloud and all those usual places. And at MetalheadsPodcast.com, you can find us there too. Get a hold of us if you have any questions or comments, anything at all. Just drop us a line. Any last words, Matt? No, that's it. Perfect. That's lovely. And Matt, Matt, thanks for joining us.

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Thanks for having me, guys. The dad of northern darkness. I still love that name. I wish I would have followed that first. All right. Last one, I'll turn off the lights. All right. Until next time, we remain the Metalheads Podcast. See ya. See ya.

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I'm out of