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Now, here is the podcast, Metalheads Podcast Go.

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Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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Jay is with us, but he's having technical difficulties, so you can't hear him right now.

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Hopefully he will be resolving those soon.

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Hi, my name is Jay.

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This is Will.

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This is John. This is Matt. And we are joined today by Ben and Mike of Glacial Tomb. How you guys doing? Oh, we're good, man. It's good to be here. Yeah, thanks for having us. Awesome. Thanks for coming on and enduring our ongoing technical difficulties. So why don't each of you guys tell us what you do in the band? My name is Mike and I play the drums. That's pretty much it. He makes it sound like it's not a lot, but he plays the hell out of the drums.

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Yeah, right. My name's Ben, and I'd say sing. That would be an overstatement. I do vocals and play guitar in the band. Now, I noticed in the credits that both you and Connor are listed as vocals, but are either of you the lead, or is it just completely split? I mean, I guess you'd say I'm the lead. I probably do 75 or 80% of the vocals. Anytime you hear death or black metal vocals, it's me.

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Anytime you hear sort of crusty, yelly screaming, that's Connor. All right. Awesome. So while we're here to talk to you today about your first full-length self-titled album that released a few weeks ago, I would be remiss if I did not mention that Ben is also the last member of Podcast Favorite Chemist to finally come on the show. So Ben, thank you for completing us. Oh, thank you so much, Maduro and Crowd. I really appreciate that. Yeah.

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you guys and I'm just stuck in the corner with the dunce cap on. Yeah, well, you know, this year at MDF, we ate pizza one table over from you. That was the closest we got. Yeah, I think you were like having dinner with your family or something. Yeah, yeah, my brother and his family were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So did you get to see my nephew in his adorable oversized chemist wizard shirts? Yeah. He's like, he had just turned seven and a small looked like a dress on him and it was really cute.

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That was his first metal show ever. So there's some really good pictures of him just freaking out as much as a kid can that doesn't understand anything of what's happening. He's like, he doesn't know what MDF is. He just knows that, as he calls me, Uncle Biscuit is there and he's banging his head on stage. Did he have like giant oversized airport? Oh, yes. There's a great picture of him that my sister-in-law took sort of like over his shoulder. He's got his big like gun range headphone.

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You know, ear protectors, but you can also see the stage in my hair. I'm like mid-headbang, so my hair is like, you know, four extra feet above my already tall figure. It's a pretty good picture. You know, it's one of those things that get framed, going to put it up in the living room, and it's a nice family moment. Excellent. That's awesome. The question is, are you putting it in your living room, or is your sister-in-law putting it in her living room? Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going to have it here. I feel like, you know, like they, my, my,

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My brother and I are very close but he has a very like white collar kind of job and I feel like anytime you know his co-workers or their neighbors see me they're like wait a minute they're related he one of one of these looks like a reasonable person the other one looks like he definitely drives an El Camino and yet you either have or are still working on a PhD yeah still working on it slated to be finished at some point before I die excellent yeah I've got a friend she's finishing up before the end of the year

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Nice. Yeah. I'm supposed to be done a year from next month. Are you ABD at this point? Yeah. Yeah. Just teaching and writing the dissertation slowly. All right. Well, why don't we start off? Why don't you tell us about how did Glacial Tomb come about? Mike, you want to start with this? We're both in our other respective bands. I was in an instrumental band. And there's just a lot of aggression, a lot of

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Fast Energy and that band. And I love that kind of style of music. So I started kind of looking around to see if I could start another project that was more geared towards just nothing but straight aggression. And I started asking around. And one night we were at Three Kings. This is a club here in Denver. And I just was talking to Ben about it. And he just shot me that look like, oh, yeah.

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I think I might be interested in that and then you can take it from there.

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Well, I just have to clarify one thing. He so I have a bad memory, but the things I do remember either tend to be really stupid or really important moments. And I think this is an important one. But he goes, do you know anyone who wants to play in a band that sounds like Converge? And I go, nope.

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And he goes, oh, well, do you know anyone? And I was like, oh, shit. He was angling for me to play music with him.

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And I just shot him the fuck down. I was like, nope. I don't know anybody who likes that shit. I got nothing for you, brother. And he was like, oh, well, how about something heavier? And I was like, oh, oh, yes, yes. I do know someone who might be interested. Yeah. And then we just kind of thought this was going to be a studio project, basically. We're just going to kind of send files back and forth and just write it like that. And then we were doing that for a little bit and decided to go into the practice space that I share with my other

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And we kind of started playing and quickly realized that now this deserves a little bit more than just being a studio project. So Mike, what is your other band? And are you guys both in the Denver area? Yeah, we're both in the Denver area. The other band I'm in is called Cult of the Lost Cause. And we're on hiatus right now. So there's everybody else is in bands as well. I think this podcast should be part of that cult. Or at least Jay right now.

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I'm a post-model guy, so I definitely was digging Cult of Lost Cause. Oh, awesome. Thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah, so, but like I said, everybody's kind of got their own thing going on, and we just decided, I'm just concentrating on this mainly at this point, so. Cool. If you hear heavy breathing, it's not getting that exciting over here. One of my dogs just ran into the room. I have two basset hounds, and one of them is so excited anytime anyone's here. Oh, yes!

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Okay, I'm going to stop you there. Here's what happened. I installed, sorry to interrupt, Mojave. That's because every time I post this. And now Mojave does this. And it just, it was in privacy settings. I'm sorry. Hello. I have a lot to say. Okay, so. Can I just, I'm sorry to continue down this lane, but can I just say fuck Mojave? I tried installing that on my desktop this week. And I come home to a blinking question mark folder. And it says, you have no options.

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I'm like what the fuck what is Mojave it's the latest OS for the latest Apple bullshit thing so and one of its new features is to deny access to anything to have your microphone any app to have your microphone unless you give it access I found it it's fixed I apologize for my lateness and welcome Glacial Toon Jay would you like to real quickly go hi this is Jay so you don't have to hear my voice no I like yours better to go I think we should do that every time we should all we should all

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Do a version of this is Jay and let him pick who gets to do his voice each week. Jay is my bitch. I guess we're done for the rest of the year. I'm sorry we interrupted you, Mike. Yes, I apologize. Oh, no worries. That was pretty much it. Yeah, just concentrating on Glacial Tomb at the moment. So how long ago was this? How long have you guys actually been together?

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got together and jammed was probably the what in 2016 yeah some are very beginning of 2017 um and connor had just moved to town from uh tucson and um a mutual friend of ours uh nate garrett from spirit adrift sent me a message and said i got a buddy that's moving up there he doesn't know anybody you know when you show him around and uh i was like yeah yeah he's like by the way he's looking for a band i was like oh really i i might know a band that needs a bass player

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You know, I graduated high school in Tucson, by the way. You know, Tucson is kind of a surprisingly cool town. And I don't mean to sound like I'm shooting on Arizona when I say that. But like Arizona, like I've always had really good shows there. But like, eh, that's my attitude on the state. Like, eh. But every time I'm in Tucson, I'm like, oh, my God, there's like culture and energy and young people and not nearly as much math as everywhere else in the state. It's a pretty cool little city. That's all right.

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We flew down and did a sort of Tucson area record release as part of this. They do a well if you went to high school there you may know all souls procession it's like their Dia de los Muertos kind of thing and they do a series of concerts at the end of the parade to sort of well I guess just have an excuse to party so they brought us and power trip down and and that was awesome and also I've never seen a city party that hard on a Sunday night in my entire life.

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Three different grown men had swords. They were dressed up like skeletons or something. But they weren't like broadswords. They were rapiers. I don't know what was going on. It's not a party unless there's swords. Maybe I was wrong about the meth thing. Maybe they were on meth. That's why the swords came out. Whatever. Tucson was pretty sick. Nice. So where did the name come from? Glacial Tomb.

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a band is the worst part of being in a band. Yes. And I'm sorry, I was gonna say, I think about it a lot, like what kind of pressure there would be. I mean, from my standpoint, and not that I name bands or anything, but I just, I work in marketing. So I'm always thinking about, you know, naming things is always on the top of my mind. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, no, please. Yeah, no, you know, you're absolutely right. You've got this sort of marketing angle of like, you don't want to pick a name that, you know, pigeonholes you to a particular thing per se. I mean, Glacial

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is kind of extreme, but it's not like, you know, tomb full of dead maggot babies. Like there's, you know, there's some leeway. We can find different sounds. You can kind of go in either way. Exactly. And you also have to worry about, well, one, you're going to hear it for the rest of that band's existence. You have to make sure you don't hate it, but then just making sure that no one has it. No one has anything close to it. You know, that, that it's a thing that nobody, you're not going to have to change because it takes so long to find something that people can agree on in the first place.

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And then you don't want to have to change it, you know, six months or a year in. It's harder and harder, too. Of course, man. I mean, we're running out of options. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The cool thing I know about a brewery, Carrie, who's forming a three-piece death thrash band. And they've already got like a recording deal on everything. Shut up. They still, to this day, do not know the name of their band. Is that the guy I met at the, that we met, rather? I feel like the long hair guy, long hair.

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Yeah, yeah. He's cool. Yeah. Has no name for his band. He has a recording contract. Maybe we could like sponsor them and call them the Metalheads Podcast Band. That could actually work. Your Facebook page describes this music as sludge-corrupted blackened death metal. You kind of covering all the bases there? Yeah. You know, someone else asked me,

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about this the other day and I'm of two minds about the sort of genre specific labeling because on the one hand like fuck it's just metal and it has really been a thing with us where reviewers will spend the entire review just trying to figure out what we are instead of talking about the music and it frustrates me to no end I've noticed that but at the same time right they're like what is this band well here's a paragraph on the death metal parts and here's I'm like fucking just tell them about the music it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if we are

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Pagan folk disco band. Talk about the music. I want to hear that. Actually, maybe we need to change the album too. It's just Pagan folk disco. Just to interrupt for a second, I can go ahead and advise you not to do that. Somebody who grew up when disco actually was on the airwaves. Fuck that, man. I like that. I like that John was on. Hold on, let me step in here real quick.

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You can do whatever you want.

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Career suicide right here.

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Pagan folk dubstep.

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Well, there's an album that I'm going to be talking about later during the what we're listening to section that mixes black metal and synthwave.

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And they do it well.

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Wait, is it the Lion's Daughter?

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No, it's Abstract Void.

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I don't know what that is.

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I wouldn't call it one's daughter black metal but those are friends of mine and people have been kind of freaking out about their integration of like John Carpenter style sense into their music and also if you haven't heard that album you should because it's fucking wild I have to say I was surprised but the more I listen to it the more I dig it honestly I guess I'm gonna have to do that I yeah they have a previous album that I know I've listened to yeah yeah so they play sort of like I don't know sludgy grindy a little bit posty stuff you know

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It's very good. It's very heavy. But when Rick sent me the early mixes of the album, I thought he was fucking with me because I heard the synth come in. I was like, oh, that's cool. What are you like? Stranger Things, fucking black metal now? Oh, no, this is the actual album. I was like, oh, shit, I'm sorry. Let me actually listen to it now. I just to go off metal topic here. There's a new album from the band Muse. Has anybody heard this? Yeah, I've heard. I've heard of them. I have not heard them. I've seen them a lot of times, actually. Their new album.

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They watched Stranger Things and lost their mind over it. And so their new album incorporates Synthwave. And the album cover was done by the person who did the artwork for Stranger Things. Oh, wow. That feels a little Johnny-come-lately. Yeah. But it sounds pretty cool, too. And also, like, those dudes are older than I am, and I remember the 80s. So, like, let's not get too excited about nostalgia for stuff that we actually lived through. I don't know. I have a particular set of opinions.

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about Stranger Things that not many people seem to share. So I'll save that. How did we get on that? That went right through me because I was looking something. Oh, yeah, we were talking about. No, the synthwave plan that you mentioned Stranger Things. How did you get to those two things together? Tegan folk disco. Okay, so here's the thing. Who amongst us is not convinced that Esan is really into Stranger Things? Because the record has got the Stranger Things keyboard sound all over it, man.

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The Very First Song, Lend Me the Years of Millennial, whatever it is, starts out almost the Stranger Things theme, which by the way, the record's amazing. So I have not listened to the album, but I watched the video for that song and I couldn't, I thought it was like a song he might have written for Stranger Things. I couldn't think of it if it was a real thing or if it was like the craziest tie-in and product placement, which is weird because like, I, you know, genuinely

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I think that that man is a musical genius but in the moment I was like fuck did he just sell out and also can I do that too well I'll say this there's a couple instances on the record of that and I would love to ask him that question because it sure seems very specific but also there is no reason on earth you should not embrace that album wholeheartedly it's great it's it's just another of his great genius expressions yeah he goes all over the place a bit but not to all over

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the place. But that did jump out at me. I mean, the second I heard it, I was like, whoa. Right. If I could jump in again here, as someone who was in high school during all this synthwave music when it came out. I'm with you. I was there as well. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. So would you have ever thought back then into today that everyone would just be going nuts for this back then? It's like, yeah, whatever. I'm going to go listen to my maiden and priest albums, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like survive, got,

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signed a relapse and then it just took off from there everybody started doing it yeah i used to dig the john carpenter stuff and now he's all like wait what you know yeah you want my stuff now he he's the guy who should have been profiting from this a lot long a lot earlier than some of these other musicians are all these bands definitely owe him some money yeah i'll go back and watch those cheesy films because i love them still but oh dude so um i i've

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Eventually, I'll finish answering the question you asked earlier. Talking about John Carpenter and also feeling old. So I'm teaching this class this semester and it's an intro to social class. And I didn't find out until like halfway through that most of my students are dual enrollment high school seniors. So like that, you know, that starts to make me feel pretty fucking old when they were born in 2001. And I always used to reference the movie They Live in talking about why sociology matters and like using the metaphorically

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of finding the sunglasses and putting them on and it shows you what the world is and this was the first time where none of them even knew who John Carpenter was oh my god it's one thing to not have seen that movie I get that that's not like in the top tier of John Carpenter movies but I like I have two students in class that are you know like returning soon they're like you know late 30s early 40s they're like oh yeah I love John Carpenter and the rest of them are like who is that and I was like you know like like Escape from New York and they're like I don't know what that is and I was like

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the thing.

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And they're like, what is that?

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I'm like, oh my god.

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I get that at work all the time.

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Yeah.

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That feels like homework right there.

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I mean, I should have assigned that.

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I should have been like, go home and watch three John Carpenter movies, even though

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this is not a film class.

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Oh, man.

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It's got Roddy Piper in it.

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Come on.

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It's time to kick ass.

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Let you go.

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That fist fight scene in the alley is legendary.

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I'm all out of gum.

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South Park?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, but you'd asked about genre labels. Yes.

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Oh, okay. So on the one hand, yeah, you try to avoid, you don't want to be pinion-holed, you don't want people to get too hung up on it. But on the other hand, and this sort of goes back to the name thing too, there are so many fucking bands, so many bands putting out stuff all the time that it is a way to sort of market yourself,

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or at least point out how you're different from other people. So, you know, it's a double-edged sword. You go too far and people get hung up on it, but you don't go far enough and people, you're just another band in the list of, like, the day we put our album out, we're like 30 other well-known death metal bands alone that put albums out because everybody's playing the end-of-year list game now. It's brutal, man. It's brutal. So it's like, hopefully this makes us stand out because I'm trying to think, like, I think Hate Eternal put their new album out the same day. I think Unleashed did.

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There were a lot of things. So the fact that anybody who was listening to us was, we felt very hashtag blessed. It's a good name, by the way. I mean, just to throw that out there, I like it. I think it's a good name. So it makes you wonder about the genius of the band Yes. That name. Think about that. We were talking about how the name bands, they literally, somebody must have just said yes, and they ran with that, thinking this is the dumbest fucking name ever for a band. Well, maybe it was a mistake.

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like somebody else suggested something and somebody else goes yes like that's good and then they were like um okay

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well we'll write that down you know because look at these assholes what a stupid name we'll go with it

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it calls to mind um why jerry only is referred to as jerry only in the misfits records do you know why that is

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that's a story i'm curious he's the only jerry in the um because on their first on their first record

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they they misspelled his name and then they were doing the liner notes for the second record and they

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We're on the phone literally with the company and he was just like, don't even put my last name on there. He said, just put Jerry only. And that's what they put. Oh, that's great. I love that. He meant only Jerry. I think so too, especially since it's kind of a spooky sounding name. It really is, yeah. That's cool. Anyway. Cool. So you already mentioned Converge as something that you were talking about, but what kind of music inspired you guys to like, you know?

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to do this stuff.

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You know what?

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Yeah, just, you know, what were your inspiration for these songs?

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So you'd mentioned earlier that, you know, with the sludge corrupted black and death, which we didn't come up with that, by the way, we're not that clever.

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You know, we cover a lot of bases, but it's because we each I mean, we have a lot of, you know, similar influences.

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But we've talked about this a couple times in the last few months where the way that each of us thinks about what we bring to the band ties to very different sets of bands. So to prove my point, I'm going to tell you the bands that I think of that I sort of intentionally or otherwise channel when writing for this band. And then I'll let Mike tell you his and you'll see. So for me, it's bands like Death Spell Omega, Slam stuff like Wormed or Defeated Sanity.

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A Little Devourment. Definitely Second Wave, Norwegian Black Metal, and some American Black Metal. So, I mean, Immortal will always be probably my favorite black metal band. But then American Stuff, Woe, Mutilation Rites, Weakling, who I think get a bad rep because all the post-black metal or the fancy boys with ties playing black metal kind of stuff references them. But fucking Weakling, that album,

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something else, man.

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You're one of the only people I've ever run into that likes it.

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And I, just because I don't think anybody knows it.

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I mean, I'm here in San Francisco.

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It came out of the label.

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The record label is done through a, anyway, I fucking love it.

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Just what I'm trying to get around to saying.

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Yeah, no, no.

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I mean, John Gossard is a huge influence for me.

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I mean, to not only put out that weakling album, but then to turn around and do Asunder,

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which is quite possibly my favorite doom band.

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So like all that kind of, and then, you know, like,

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like a crusty weird grindy stuff. Crusty stuff like Wolf Brigade. Crusty or grindy stuff like maybe Trap Them or Plebeian Grandstand. So like that's how I think about it. Oh and Dying Fetus because I'm wearing a Dying Fetus shirt now and I'd be remiss. And Suffocation because I'd forgotten how much I love Suffocation. You know they're on the last tour with Frank and I went and saw him the other night and Jesus Christ they were so good. It was the kind of thing where you're like fuck one day I want to be that good.

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They just made it seem so easy. So for me, that's the influences. What about you, Mike? For me, it wasn't quite as much as Ben has listed, but it was more like Converge, Neurosis, Botch, kind of more along those lines. And I grew up a long time ago as well. A long time ago? Yeah, back in the days of, yeah. No, so I was like into Anthrax, Megadeth, early Metallica, things like that, Thrash Metal, Testament, stuff like that. And so that's what I was wanting. I hadn't

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I played drums like that in quite a while. Cause in Colt it was more along the lines of Isis, stuff like that. And so I wanted to get back into something that was fast and heavy and aggressive. And so that's where I started drawing from was back when I was younger playing Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica, Testament, stuff like that. Along the lines also, Converge. Ben Culler is a great drummer. He's one of my biggest influences. So Botch, things like that. Nails.

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That's kind of where I came from, approaching this. Cool. When you went to record the album, did you dive in and go from beginning to end? Or was this sort of a piecemeal as you had time with other things going on? How long did it take to put it together? Three days. Three days. We recorded the album in three days. We had a break in there. Yeah, right? Because of my obligations with Chemists,

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and then just trying to find time to record it all in conjunction with Adam's release schedule with Gilead Media in conjunction with Dave Otero's schedule. You know, our options were either record when we did or next year. So we're like, fuck it, let's do it now. And also with it being a new project, we don't have, you know, the largest budget in the world. So Dave, you know, very graciously would say, yes, I'll do it for your budget, but it's in and out.

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Mike set up and recorded all his parts in one day. I came in and did guitars the next day. Did my vocals in like two and a half hours and then got on a plane and flew out with chemists to play Migration Fest in Heavy Montreal. And Connor came in after I left and did vocals and bass. And then that was it. We were done. You've had quite the year. Yeah, I'm always tired. And it makes sense why when I when I step back and think about it. Sure. How would how do the songs come together? Who how do you what do you do? You all right?

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or does one person write and tell everybody else what they're doing? How's it go? I tend to... Surprisingly, the writing is not that different from what happens in chemists in so much as I'm always recording whenever I sit down with a guitar and I'm the sort of first filter. If it doesn't pass through my own internal standards, then no one else ever hears it and it gets deleted. But I wind up with a communication

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of ideas and I put them in Dropbox and in this case they're in Dropbox, Mike and Connor listen to them, we get together and I'm like which parts did you like and then we just start you know putting stuff together trying different ideas sometimes one of us will have a more cohesive idea of you know risk A, B, and C to these should go together or A, B, and C cannot go together something like that but it tends to be pretty organic it tends to be very like in the practice space kind of yeah.

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The first EP was a lot different because you had written a lot of those ideas already while being in Chemist. So when we did that first EP, all those riffs and everything were already put together and he just brought them in and we started messing with them and got done with them really fast. Whereas like he was saying with this one, it was more kind of coming up with ideas, putting them in Dropbox. We'd go through and listen to them. And like, I mainly help out by just kind of

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things together. Like if I hear something that might sound good as far as a break or something like that or this part would sound better up near the front of the song as opposed to the end of the song. That's kind of how I contribute. Arranging. Yeah, more of an arranger. But it works well. I mean, it works well for all of us. Yeah, I think that Mike and Connor both have a real ear for structuring and dynamics. And because I mean, and I think this probably happens with a lot of bands.

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because heavy music is so guitar driven that it's not like Mike's going to record a drum beat and be like, this is the verse. He might have an idea and then we'll write around it, but it tends to start with the guitar. And so because of that, it's easy for me to be so fully immersed in an idea that I can't step back very easily and hear it for what it is. And so the two of them, either independently or together, will say, no, this is definitely a chorus riff.

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to be half as long. This is a fine riff, but it should go somewhere else. You know, just to support that, and I know you're not saying that a drummer is incapable of writing, but to support that notion, there's a song on a number of the beats called Gangland, which Iron Maiden fans tend to hate, and it was written by the drummer. I once read a sort of praise of that album, and they go crazy for every song. It was like, you know, Jeff Bartner, one of those guys,

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And he literally, the only thing he said about that song was, this is why you never let your drummer write a song. Which, by the way, I don't personally think that's a bad thing. I don't think Phil Collins would agree with that. Oh, fair enough. And also the dude from Don Henley. Yeah. Does Connor also live in the Denver area? Yeah. We're all, we live within probably, what, 10 minutes of each other, something like that. But yeah. So I live in,

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I had to think which direction is east and which one's west. I live on the west side of Denver. I definitely don't live in Denver. Denver proper stops about 30 or 40 yards to the east of where I live. I live in Jefferson County. 40 yards? Is that true? Must be lonely out there. Well, it's funny. It sounds like it would be a real stark divide, but there's just this one street where once you cross it, you're in Jefferson County now. But it's still considered Denver. It's just, you know, the tax.

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I don't know that the Bay Area is all about that you could drive oh yeah not know you did exactly

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yeah and then Connor lives sort of smack dab in the middle of the city and Mike lives out east a little bit closer towards Aurora yeah

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so how are you guys able to get together and actually practice in person because I know you talked a lot about the dropbox and stuff

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yeah we get together what do we get four times a month

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About twice a week.

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Oh, that's not bad.

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When we're able to all get together, I'm a single dad and I have my daughter every other week.

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So on the weeks that I don't have her, we're able to get together twice.

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And the weeks that I do have her, we're able to get together like once out of that week.

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And that's about it.

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So for being a band that was originally not even going to be a band, we're probably more active than a lot of real bands.

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Yeah.

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Sounds like it. So I know you already mentioned him. I heard his name anyway. Who produced the album? And I was going to ask what he brought to the process in terms of flushing out the material. But I'm curious, three days, how much he would have had opportunity to do that. You'd be surprised. Dave Otero is a fucking wizard, man. We've all worked with him before. Yeah. You know, Chemist has done every album with him.

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He's a multi-instrumentalist as well, great drummer. So each one of us talks the same language as he does. So when he has an idea or something, he's able to communicate it to where it's easily understandable, and I'm able to just kind of do what he's asking and see if it works or not. I think the thing that a lot of people don't know is that Dave can probably play most of the material he's ever recorded from other bands. We had a running joke in Chemist that

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We're just gonna start telling everyone that

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he did everything except the vocals on the album except he could have done the vocals too he's a phenomenal singer it's unreal and so even though we were only in there for three days you know the amount of attention that he could you know really dedicate to critically listening versus just doing the tracking you know was obviously lower than had we'd been there for a couple of weeks but it was still the kind of thing where Mike would finish a take and he'd be like that's awesome now what about on this part

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you play this much more complicated thing and it's gonna go like this and he would just go in and show it to him and then come out like now play that play that we don't have much time learn that right now or you know tracking guitar be like that's cool but what if uh what if we put a harmony here and i'm like well i'm the only guitar player he's like yeah you'll figure it out or in vocal patterns especially um with clean vocalists you know because he's a good singer he will you know he'll have ideas like oh you know you need to go to the third or the fourth here when you're growling

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He's not so concerned with the theory side of it, but he'll hear rhythmic stuff because he can play all these various instruments and everything. And he'll say, you know, all right, you're doing this pattern, but what if you do it staccato? Or what if you do this and then you double it in this manner so it sort of weaves in and out? And more often than not, actually almost all of the time, his ideas make songs stronger and more interesting, which is why we love him. He's such a great man.

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Yeah, I remember when Phil and Dan were in here, they were talking about him. Anyway. Well, I gotta say, I haven't seen the back of a whole lot of people's heads, but there's a running joke that when you record Dave, you get to know the back of Dave Otero's head pretty well, because he sits in front of the computer and you're behind him. And there's actually a Facebook page called the back of Dave Otero's head. And every band that records with him just take pictures of the back of his head.

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And I'm just looking at his production and mixing and mastering all the stuff he does on Metal Archives and I have to keep scrolling through all the bands. It's wild. And that's just the metal stuff. He does so much stuff on the side. He'll mix and master pop songs, alternative rock songs. He stays busy. He's a good guy. So Ben, what's it like playing in two bands that have very different styles?

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I mean, it seems to me like, you know, you get to do the aggressive side with this band and the more melodic side with Chemist.

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It sounds like Mike has the same, you can throw the same question to Mike as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Has it like affected your songwriting process too? I'll just tag that on to the end.

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And do you like coffee in the morning?

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I like my aggressive coffee.

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Or Bailey's.

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Yeah, I like my coffee. Like I like my metal black and black cream. I don't know.

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Cold and Black. Cold and Black, yes. Also, that sounds disgusting. I mean, so I can certainly say that it's, I think a lot of people find themselves surprised when they find out that I do both bands, which is surprising to me because everybody is multifaceted. Everybody has different pieces of who they are. And it just happens to be the case that for me, the musical, I'd say side,

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But most of me is musical. So the musical bin, if you will, is multifaceted. There are other parts that, given time and an opportunity in the future, I'd like to explore the countryside and the orchestral side. These are very small parts compared to the heavy metal side, of course. But it's still the fact that when I sit around, whether or not I'm actively trying to compose something, when I'm hearing music in my head, it takes all sorts of different forms.

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expression of who I am to have a more, I don't want to say this, a more visibly, a part of me that people see that they wouldn't otherwise see. I'll put it that way. Because like, Chemist is by far the most accessible thing I've ever done. I came up playing death metal and black metal and like gnarly sludge. Chemist is the first man I was ever in that even had clean singing. But it's also,

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of course the most successful thing I've done so people tend to see me through that lens they're like oh my god this doom guy likes other stuff but my wife and I have to be fair you pretty you heavy up chemist a lot well thank you I like to think that I you know I had some balls to that project I say that as the dude that doesn't know tattoos in the band and doesn't ride a motorcycle well especially on this last album there was a lot more of the harsh the harsh vocals that you brought into it one of the funny things about that is

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Some reviews were like, there's less than the previous album. And so I'm like, there's more. And I'm like, well, this is a thing you can just figure out with math. Like, you don't, it's not an opinion. Like there's more of it. And that actually was Dave Otero. Maw of Time was like, we'd already worked out that we were going to have an exchange on the chorus of that song. But Dave was like, no, this song needs more. And he's like, some of these other songs need more. So in terms of that, you know, heaving up that band, thank you. I appreciate the,

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But then with this band, when I'm sitting down and writing, I still write black metal riffs. I still write caveman death metal riffs. Those are generally not going to be in Chemist's because to force those in would make the band not what it is. But I needed to get those out. And so when Mike first suggested doing this project, I was like, shit, dude, I have seven years of riffs just stored up.

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Let's see what there is. So it is satisfying to be able to have that side expressed. And I also think that for me, it sharpens the writing for both bands because I can sort of get this intuitive sense like, oh, this is definitely going to be a chemist's riff or this is going to be a Glacial Tomb riff, even though just picking it faster or making it a little bit uglier could make it go one way or the other. I feel like I naturally find myself writing in a more

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A clear-headed manner for one project or the other. But I just said a lot of words. Let me let Mike say something, too. For me, it's just music has always been a way to express myself and kind of get things out. So it's very therapeutic. And like I said, when I was younger, it was definitely more heavy, aggressive. And that's kind of the way I was back then. I just kind of hated everything. So it was nice to be able to play that way. But as I got older, I started wanting to do more stuff that involved different dynamics.

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emotions. And so when we started Cult, that was an outlet for that. I was able to, you know, play slower songs, not as fast, not as aggressive, explore different emotions and try to convey that through sound. And I had that for a while and it was great, but just kind of the way the state of the country and how things were going, I found myself just having this aggressive nature again.

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Full of rage.

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Yeah, and I just needed an outlet to get that out so I could be a pleasant person to be around outside of that. And so I was like... That's my whole theory about metal. That's how I maintain my pleasant demeanor. Exactly. So I was like, I need this so I can just still maintain that person outside of there. And so that's why I wanted to start something that was heavier and was just, instead of trying all these different dynamic ranges and convey different emotions, I just wanted it to be aggressive.

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aggressive, heavy, and that way I could get that part of me out since all the other emotions were covered with cold. And so playing in the two different bands, it's actually very enjoyable because I'm able to get all those different sides of myself out through music. And then, like I say, throughout the day, just be a pleasant person. It's a really interesting concept to bring up because I never really thought about that. If you have two different bands that you're bringing out, like two different sides of your emotions. Ben, do you,

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You feel that way? Between Glacial Tomb and Chemist that there's two different styles of emotions? Absolutely. I'm really glad that Mike brought that up because I feel like both projects are very important for, first of all, getting that poison out, just working through whatever it is so that you can go about your daily life. Whether it's with Mike being a father for me, being with my wife and my dogs,

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when I have to be around my students. And that way you're not such a vitriolic, bitter piece of shit. At least for me, that's what I am without music. But chemists, this might be a little bit simplistic, but for chemists, it lets me deal with the fucked up parts of my life and like tap into the sorrow. Whereas Glacial Tomb lets me tap into the anger and the vitriol in a way that together allows me to be

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a remotely normal person who can walk through the world without just fucking screaming at the sky and yelling at strangers on the street yeah non-metal people think that listening to metal music makes you angry and aggressive and it's really kind of the opposite right very much hey sorry we had to refill drinks my my delightful and badass partner and Jen just brought us a couple glasses of wine I saw Will drinking wine I was like damn that sounds good so uh you just ruined his rep I'm sorry

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I have a wicked cold I brought back when I was over in the UK and I have all this great beer but it's like we just opened up this cheap bottle of wine for Trader Joe's tonight for dinner I was like I'm just gonna keep drinking wine because I don't want to I can't taste anything right now but hey I really drink beer anymore so like I it's it's tequila or wine for me like 98% of the time so hey go big or go home

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Good question. So, Mike, I don't know if you want to reveal or you want to talk about what you do on like your like normal regular job. And Ben, you've you've said what your professor for both of you in your regular jobs. Do you have people like do you have students who are fans who are like, oh, my God, Ben Hutchinson is my professor right now. And like, do they lose their shit? Like, yeah, I don't care. Like, or they have no idea. Like, do you ever get any of that for both for both?

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You have like a Clark Kent thing going on. You're like, I'm wearing glasses. I am not a rock star.

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I work IT at a university. And so I'm pretty much in a cubicle all day. Nobody there really knows what I do outside of, you know, the office. So, yeah, there's nobody. My biggest fan is my daughter. So she's the one that, you know, gives me praise all the time about being in the different bands.

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But like what I remember when I she's six and so she's got this wide you know range of music from like Verge to Al Green and all in between so she's awesome but when I first she loves chemists by the way she like totally loves chemists and so when who doesn't and so when uh when this band started I remember I told her I was like hey guess what and she's like what I'm gonna be in a band with Ben and she just

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She's like, Ben from Chemist? And I'm like, yeah, Ben from Chemist.

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And that just totally floored her. She freaked out on that.

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But yeah, nobody outside of what I do recognizes me for any of the band stuff.

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And I'm sure Ben has a different take on that because he has a lot of students.

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Honestly, no, because Boulder is not a metal city.

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I'm sure that I have students that Google me and figure it out. Until Chemist was remotely well known, it made me happy to know that if you Googled my name, the things you found were not me, at least not for the first few pages. You found there was a black Southern Baptist preacher that lived in Kentucky named Ben Hutcherson, who was like 65 when I moved to Colorado. So I like the idea that students thought that's, you know, they're like, oh, this is going to be my professor. And the other thing you would find was my grandfather, my paternal grandfather,

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who had the same name. And, you know, he died when he was 96. So they're thinking it's going to be an old white or black man from the South. And then I come in and they're surprised. But, you know, now you Google my name, you're going to find out who I am. But they don't seem to give a shit. I think it's partly because, again, it's not like I think I've had one or two students in the last I mean, I've been teaching for 10 years and one or two students who were like,

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like visibly metal heads. And, you know, maybe they knew, maybe they didn't, but they never, they at least had sense enough not to bring it up. They could tell that like when I'm in there, you know, with a fucking blazer on, that's different than if you see me somewhere and I have a denim vest on. Um, and, and I've always put your hair back. Oh yeah. Oh, I play the game, man. Also because, uh, my hair is really thick. Well, y'all seen us live, you know, like my hair is thick and it gets real frizzy and then it just looks crazy. And I, I move around a lot when I teach. So by the end, I would just look like sideshow

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Bob. The only time, only once, I guess like two years ago, I had a student in a summer class on the first day or second day, just raise his hand. I thought he had an actual question. He goes, you want to tell us about chemists? And I go, no, I don't, but I'd like you to stick around after class so we can have a conversation. And I was a dick to that kid, probably more than I should have been. But because I was like, he didn't just find out. It turns out someone in the department had told him they thought it would be cute for him to say something to me in class.

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So it was a setup. And I went to this colleague later and I was like, do you understand why I have a problem with this? And she goes, no. I was like, what if I told people where you lived? She was like, oh my God, you're right. No one should know anything about us. I'm like, exactly. I want my students to think about me the way my dogs do. That when they don't see me, I'm dead. And then when I'm in front of them, I'm alive again, but there's nothing going on in between.

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I feel like we all just kind of got yelled at there a little bit but that's cool

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I realized I was going to go out of the dress

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but I was like I forget my funny story

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wow

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I feel like I should just take my syllabus

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and go to my next class

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you know what

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I think maybe you should consider dropping this class

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I don't think it's the one

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I honestly think that's something you're going to have to confront

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sooner or later

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I mean it's going to start

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getting bigger and bigger as far as like the more the chemists out there. Well, you say that. Yeah. But I mean, I just think more students are going to start, you know, recognizing that might just be something that you're going to have to. No, and that's fair. I just don't want other people goading them into it. That was my problem. Yeah. Because if a student comes up and they're like, oh, shit, I don't want to say anything, but you're in chemists. I'll be like, maybe. I could be. I don't know. Just throw them a sly horn and be like, uh-huh. And a nod, you know. It's going to be a problem. They're looking through the

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window on the door when it's closed while you're teaching. There's like five kids out there just staring at you. Well, now that you got your first self-titled Glacial Tomb out there, it's going to be both bands soon because I'm sure you're getting lots of praise for the new album. It's funny you say that. We were at Dying Fetus the other night and two people recognized me from Glacial Tomb that they don't even know what Temis is. And I was like, that just kind of blew my mind because I tend to be pretty, and you all do this as well, you're like, you know,

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You know the underground, but you're also at least in passing aware of the more and more popular bands. But these were death metal cats that just couldn't give a fuck less about clean singing. And I was like, yeah, I played in this band. We know we tore it in slave. And they're like, yeah, whatever. That's fine. Anyway, so winter album release show. It was cool. It was it was an interesting feeling, but it was cool. Yeah, for sure. So going back to what Mike said about being therapeutic with the music, are there any cathartic moments on the album? All of them?

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Maybe. This album was really hard for us. Between the time we started this band and when we put this album out as we were writing these songs, we all went through a lot of shit. My father died at the end of 2016. My sister died in April of this year. Connor's brother died two days before we went in the studio. My mom died in March.

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So all of that combined with the sort of resulting existential despair that I think happens when you lose a close family member, or at least happened for me, in conjunction with the sort of sociopolitical nightmare that we find ourselves in, which as a sociologist and as a sociology professor, I find tends to hit me that much harder than I think it would if I were just some otherwise

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existing cisgender white man. And it was when we talk about the catharsis of this album, like this album, and I didn't really realize it until we started playing the thing all the way through in preparation for the album release shows, is that like it's it's sort of a documentation of our lives, which I mean, I guess that's true of any album, right? Like it's always going to be a reflection of what the band members have gone through.

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It's a reflection of a lot of really dark spots that we were able to find words or notes to convey the experience rather than letting the experience consume us. I know that I personally realized in the last few weeks that we're not for this album. I definitely would be in a much darker place. What form that would take, I couldn't possibly say.

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But this album, it might be an interesting to say it saved my life, but it certainly allowed me to, like, I can see the sun come up and feel it. And I don't mean that in just a literal sense. Like, I feel hope and I feel moments of positivity, however infrequently, because I was able to get so much of the toxic bullshit out of my mind, out of my heart, into this album. Wow.

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They all just kind of happened in succession. Ben's father passing away. Although that wasn't my father, Ben's my bud. I care for this guy greatly. I was there for him to be that shoulder that he could lean on, along with his partner and other people. I felt that pain. Same thing with his sister.

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My mom and so it wasn't like okay that happened to Ben but I wasn't feeling anything as well so for you know two year you know almost a year and a half period and Connor the same way you know Connor was there for all of us during all this as well and so for a year and a half it was a lot of pain you know and a lot of being there for each other and trying to help each other work through it in a positive way so it's not like you know Ben was feeling it for you know eight months or whatever and Connor and I were just fine we were there

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Right Along With Them, Being There For Them, And Kind Of Feeling His Pain. When The Situation Happened For Me, Ben and Connor Were There For Me. When It Happened To Connor, We Were There For Connor. And So For A Good Year And A Half, Two Year Period, It Was Very Difficult. And So Being Able To Get With Them On A Weekly Basis And Get A Lot Of This Out Through Music And Through Just Doing The Process And Writing The Songs And Coming Up With Ideas

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and it was very, you know, it was just, it helped out a lot being able to do that, to channel that energy into something besides just sitting at home and being sad and, you know, feeling like there was no hope and that there was no tomorrow and why is this happening? It was good to be able to get together with these guys on a weekly basis and channel that into something else, more positive.

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Yes, exactly what Mike is saying. I was just thinking back to the sort of first practice after each one of us lost someone. And I don't know to what extent necessarily Connor was talking about this, but also during the process of writing this album, he went through a very unpleasant separation from his now former wife. And so he was in a new city, didn't necessarily know a whole lot of people outside of us. And then he was going through that on top of it. So I think it comes through.

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Not only in the writing of the songs, and again, I think back to the first practice after each death or anything, and it feels very spiritually cathartic. And I don't mean spiritually in any sort of metaphysical sense, but just in a recognition that people around you care and can take on some of that burden, if that makes sense. Not that you would ask them to, but when you love someone, you just do that.

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that. And I think that any good band is filled with people that love each other. And holy shit, the tone of this interview has changed so much in the last five minutes. I did not realize the can of worms I was opening. No, no, no, no, it's good. It's good. Well, I mean, yeah, like, yeah, and it's, it's in the, it's in the, it's in the press release. So, you

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Sort of, you know, working through loss, coming to terms with what's going on, coming to terms with the ever presence of grief. When my father died, my sister-in-law told me, the thing no one's ever going to tell you and the thing that you need to hear right now is it will never get better. And I was like, fuck you. And then, but she was right. And learning that, like, I was able to, like, continually tap into that anytime it felt like it was overwhelming, writing riffs. So, like, the really sad black metal riffs tend to come from when I was really sad.

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But the lyrics for me, I write most of the lyrics. If you take Sunless Dawn, which is the first song on this album that we had lyrics for, well, I guess technically a Flesh and Worship because we did it on the EP, but it's the first new song we had lyrics for. And if you read it through the lens of what I was going through, which was I wrote that immediately after my father's death, it's very obvious, you know, the sort of form of the grief and the all-consuming nature of it. But then Shackled to the Burning Earth, which is the last song,

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which is also the last song that I wrote lyrics for is and I actually said this at the album release show last week where I was like this song is about not giving up and it's about having hope and shackled to the burning earth does not sound like a positive song title but it is I mean it's about you know this sort of acceptance of being in a moment and acceptance of that things aren't going to change per se like you know things aren't going to go 180 degrees but things can get better

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and things can still be you can still exist and you can still be it's just a different version of existing and being than you're used to um uh and so like in the chorus it says um my body no longer drifts on the lake of sorrow but my spirit withers in the absence of light and that sounds pretty dark but it's basically just saying given this moment both in my life and in the sort of moment in humanity like this is how we find a new way to exist

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and this is how we find a new way to not give up. It hurts. It sucks. It's frustrating. And it feels very bleak at times. But it's still there's still going to be a tomorrow. There's still that absence of light is not going to last forever. And you have to figure out what that means for you. And for me, I had to figure out what that meant for me, both as a person, generally speaking, but also as a as a creative person, as a musician, as a lyricist, as a

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as a dude trying to make it another day. Hey, Ben and Mike, is there a place where your lyrics are published online or wherever, somewhere? Yeah, they're on the Bandcamp, and they might also be on Metal Archives. I don't know. And also, I have a Google Doc I can send you if you'd like. I think I looked on Bandcamp. I didn't see them. They should be on our Metal Archives. Okay, they are on Metal Archives? Yeah, I'm looking right now. I don't know if they're on the Gilead Bandcamp, but I'm pretty sure

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I put them on our band camp. Okay. Yeah, it's one of the things I was looking for earlier and I didn't see it. And that's good to know because obviously in any band that I really like and any band that we want to interview, we like that we want to interview. We want to dive into the lyrics and I just didn't see them. But thank you for letting us know. No problem. I'm actually looking right now to see if they are. Yeah. Thanks for sharing all of that. That was pretty deep.

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and personal. And it's definitely going to, I think, give me a different perspective next time I listen to the album. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I really appreciate when we do some of these interviews with bands, getting that inside information that goes into making the music to make you appreciate the music that much more. Because I think we're all fans of the album already. Oh, yeah. So that just gives it the extra

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Yeah, when you can relate to the songs more, which is what you just did for us was to give us that connection, then it, you know, not only can we take that emotion and wield it as we might need in our lives, but we can perhaps understand you better as well.

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Not to continue down the serious slash less fun path, but I do think that's one of the things that is underappreciated about metal. You know, you were saying that the idea that the sort of satanic panic of the 80s reinforced the idea that metal produces bad kids or violent kids or whatever. But I've always found that for the bands that really stuck with me outside of just riffs, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the bands that really stuck with me on another level,

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It's that it made me feel less alone. It made me feel like even if whatever it was that the person was singing about or just channeling was not exactly what I'd gone through, that still someone in this underground world of sleeveless t-shirts and shitty 1970s fans, we're all tapping into some of the same sort of common pain or common experiences.

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Because the discussion about metal tends to be overly reductive. That it's the devil and it's evil and it's angry. And like, yes, but there's so much more to it than that. Or at least there can be so much more to it than that. That reducing it to those qualities cheapens the experience of finding metal, of it meaning something to people. And I think it also paints all the fans of metal in such an unfair and overly simplistic light that I will forever be frustrated by it.

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This is what happened when I drink wine. I try to sound smart and emotional, by the way. I should go back to drinking tequila. Well, I've got a question to take us completely off of this path. Although, to be perfectly honest, after all that, it sounds kind of dumb. But I'm going to do it anyway. What's your favorite color? Black! See, we're all wearing black. Yeah, we are both wearing all black. Close.

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the album cover and what exactly is going on there? Or do you even know? Oh yeah, yeah. This is an artist from Indonesia named Nanda Dika. When we first started this band, a friend of mine suggested that we reach out to him and they're like, oh, he's this crazy kid from Indonesia that does insane art. I was like, yeah, whatever, okay. And then I looked at his art and it's nuts. And he's done almost all of our stuff. He did our first two shirts, he did the EP cover, and then we hired him for this album cover.

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And he's such a like

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His art has tended to be very sort of like straightforward death metal-y like lots of skulls chains knives, you know

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That kind of stuff and I was like look man, we don't want any of that. We're not that kind of death metal band

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And I was like, do you know beck zinski? And he was like, sure and already I was like, I don't

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I'm talking to him via email. I don't know if there's a language barrier or not

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It's like bucket. Let's just go

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So I typed this long email. It was like five paragraphs talking about becks

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and like Lovecraft and sort of this sort of, you know, existential horror, like things that are terrifying without it just being blood and guts. And his response was, sounds good, man. I was like, I don't know if he even read the fucking email. Like, let's see. And he sent us the first sketch and we're like, what the fuck? This is awesome. And he was like, I think there's one thing I want to add a portal of blood. Is that OK? And I was like, yes, yes, it is OK.

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Every album cover could use a portal of blood. I think you cannot go wrong with a portal of blood. Because I told him I wanted it to be unsettling. But not overtly like, you know, skulls and... Yeah, we didn't want it to be cannibal corpse. You know, there is cannibal corpse. You know, there is dying fetus already. How are there ways to be... I don't want to say evil. We're definitely not an evil death metal, but like an unsettling kind of death metal.

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I like that idea better. Yeah. To me, it sticks with you more when things are not so in your face and you have to kind of apply your own meaning to it because your mind can take it to a totally different place. It's way worse than just seeing some blood and guts on the screen or on the album cover or whatever. You know, when you have to use your own imagination to start figuring things out, your mind can tend to take it to a totally different, even more evil place. Yeah. There's not too many ways to interpret addicted to vaginal skin.

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Yeah, exactly. And so if people want to look at our album cover and really read into it, they're like, oh, the monolith means this, and we are the people in the keyhole. Or it could just be like, what the fuck is going on? I'm so afraid. Any of those are totally acceptable responses. And we also, we didn't even ask him for this, but I am and we are all very stoked on the colors that he chose, the sort of muted earth tones for the most part.

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which makes it feel a lot more organic. So many bands of all styles, their album covers are so digitized and everything feels so precise and angular. And there's something kind of swampy and creepy feeling about something that uses colors that you would actually see in the natural world. So was it his idea or your idea with the keys all over the monolith and what do they represent?

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That's him and I have no idea. He was like, what do you think about keys? And I was like, I don't know. I like keys. That's such a strange question, man. He was like, cool. And then he just sent the finished product over with the keyhole motif. I don't know if he explained it. He said it in such an offhand way I didn't even register it. It might have been something about unlocking cosmic truth or horror or it could have just been, I don't know, he smoked.

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some weed and was like dude keys can be pretty creepy right i i i don't know i am the key master are you the gatekeeper yes maybe that's it maybe he was watching ghostbusters i don't know i don't know david only two hey ben can i ask you is there anything that you're excited and i'm not asking about playing what are you excited to see at decibel i'm excited about uh triple con doing celtic frost i think that whole thing is insane um the run we're doing with black dahlia murder uh originally

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They wanted us to stay on longer. And we were like, no, we want to stay in L.A. We want to see Celtic Cross. This is too good to miss. And we were very fortunate that they were like, yeah, that's fine. You do whatever. But I was saying I couldn't believe that I get to see that. I can't believe that I get to play with Testament. And not like, you know, you play big fest. Technically, I played with Limp Bizkit this summer. I don't know that that was exactly. Was that heavy Montreal? It was. It was. They're still playing? They're recording a new album.

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God damn it. It was the most disgusting, just frustrating thing. I will say Rob Zombie was... Dude, that video, before I even knew it was Shaggy 2 Dope trying to kick him, I was like, I'm bummed that guy missed him. And now Shaggy 2 Dope did not kick Fred Durst in the head is on the list of cosmic grievances that I have. I'm going to ask, is that a Shaggy 2 Dope, is that an ICP thing?

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Oh, yes. I'm going to pretend that I don't know anything about ICP and that I'm reading it off of their Wikipedia page. I don't have to pretend. You should pronounce it a little wrong then. Shaggy to... Shaggy to DuPay. That makes it sound French. I don't like that at all. I mean, look, dudes, I'm from Mississippi. I lived in a trailer for a long time. It's not surprising to anyone that I listened to the Insane Lion Posse when I was a teenager. Yeah, you just said that on the air. Just so you know. And that was Glacial 2.

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I certainly hope so yeah I'm getting so excited about it all right how many of y'all are going to be there just me just Jay just Jay okay well we'll make sure to drink enough with Jay for to make up for everyone else but refer to him as refer to him as violent Jay my buddy chop will probably be out there so I'm gonna link you up Jay with my buddy chop awesome who I am is he like part of the sons of anarchy or something no no just a buddy of mine I served in many wars

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He's a big metalhead. He's living in LA now. It'd be my pleasure to meet him. Sergey's going and so is John who was on the last pod. So there's a little group of us there. I'm looking forward to seeing you, Dan, and Zach, and the other guys. It's always nice to say hi to you guys. Do you guys have any plans to play outside of the Denver area, like particularly the East Coast? Or the Midwest? We were just on the East Coast.

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Yeah, we were on the East Coast in June with Immortal Bird. Son of a... Wow, Immortal Bird no less. Yeah, I would like to see Immortal Bird. I'm not going to say we were in DC, but we definitely played DC. Wait, did we... Shut up! Oh my god, well I just screwed the pooch on that. Yeah, well maybe we didn't. Maybe we played... No, there's no way that tour came through. Hold on, where was that place we played where the hardcore show was the matinee? No, it was DC because Blake from Pig Destroyer,

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came out. Blake is everywhere. Blake's in every show in the area. But so like, oh wait, maybe that's it. No, I think you're right. I think it was Baltimore. Yeah. Yeah, no, that makes sense. I don't think we played in DC proper. That's right. Because pretty much it seems like the only place that has metal shows now is Will's place at Atlas. Yeah, I was going to say like, since we didn't play there, yeah. A lot of shows it seems like are in Baltimore now in this area for metal. Yeah. Were you at Soundstage? Or were you at like, what's left? Autobahn?

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I don't know I could look at the tour poster it was a long time ago it was like three

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months ago it wasn't that long ago it might have been one of those places I refuse to go to in

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Baltimore but we are we are going back out on the road in January we're doing like 10 or 12 some period of time in January I think it's 11 days west coast we're doing fuck what is it was like Bozeman Montana which

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Yeah, Salt Lake City's at the end. It's like Bozeman, and then a couple dates in Washington, and then Portland, and then Eureka, and then Oakland, and then LA, and then Salt Lake City, and then home. I wonder if in Oakland, if you're playing the Metro Opera House. We're playing the Elbow Room Jack London. Jack London Elbow Room. I don't actually know. Justin Ennis that used to book

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The Golden Bowl that plays in like 700 bands, plays in Ulthar, plays in Void Omnia. He books there. And so he set that up. Void Omnia is actually doing that date and the L.A. date with us. Hey, for the record, you guys actually did play in D.C. It was at The Pinch. Yeah, that's right. That is a play. Who booked that fucking tour? We don't have an agent. Actually, no, Ray booked most of the tour.

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I booked Denver and like one other show. I think I booked the Lawrence Kansas date. She had, because like, and I'm very fortunate in this respect, but Kim has had an agent, you know, at some point nonstop for the last several years. So my days of having all the contacts, you know, I used to book every tour date for every band I was ever in. All those contacts are now several years out of date. So I was very fortunate that Ray, you know, knew people. And what's the guy's name?

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Hassan booked you at the pinch and not at Atlas? Hassan books almost, he splits his time between the pinch and Atlas. I'm going to have words. I'm sure there was a reason why, but I don't fucking know. No, there was no good reason. He was like, that Will guy's a dick. He has a big dick. When you go to fight Hassan about this, just let him know that we love him and we're not mad at him. This is all very tongue in cheek. I mean, I love Hassan. He books so many

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We just had horrendous two-mold data, which is half the guys from Crip Sermon. They just played our brewery. It's an insane show. I totally love this. Next time we come through, I promise we'll play. Play Atlas. The thing is, with Atlas, the brewery itself, we're just a venue. We take zero money from ticket sales. 100% ticket sales go to the bands. You get unlimited free beer.

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Here's a couple cans. Anything you want from the taps. We're on our way right now. Feed you. We feed you. Oh my god! Why didn't we play there? Right. I'm telling you. You're going to be mad at Hassan. I'm going to help you fight Hassan. I just had this long conversation with the guys from Renna's. I don't want to get too off topic. You guys are amazing. We get all the money. You don't take any cut of our merch. You don't take any cut of ticket sales. You give us unlimited free beer. Anything

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we want.

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Like just walk up to you have a wristband on just walk up to the bar and like whatever you want.

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It's free.

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And then like and we feed you and we're glad that you there by the way.

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Dude, that is so sick.

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Yes, you'll see us there next year.

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I promise.

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What do you feel?

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Do you guys have a menu there?

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No, we have inner circle foods with this guy Fred who makes amazing tacos.

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Yum.

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And does vegan options for you.

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Oh, yes.

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So, you know, for those who want vegan.

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I'm not vegan, but on tour I try to go as close to vegan as possible because otherwise I eat the worst bullshit imaginable. And even if I'm just eating hummus every day, it's still better than eating past food burgers or anything. And meat farts in a small van are just terrible. Oh, so bad. Although, to be fair, bean farts in a small van are also really bad. Yeah, but I mean, then if you start getting in the hot pockets, you get real trouble. So I applaud you on your...

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So our next episode is going to be our end of year episode where we do our top 25 albums of 2018. Do you guys have any albums from this year that stick out to you guys? Oh yeah. I don't have many but like the new cult leader that just came out. I've been listening to that on top. That's so good. Love it. Yeah and even the slower songs you know.

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Like the one they did the video. And that video is amazing. So yeah, that's kind of my pick for my album of the year right now at this point. So. Uh huh. So really, your album of the year? Well, I mean, I don't listen to too much new stuff. So it's right up there. Well, I have not listened to the new Cult Leader. Also, I have to pull up a list of other where other people will have talked about what came out because I keep meaning to make a list like throughout the year. And then I always think of it in October.

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And then I'm trying to put together a list from that point on. So the new on sentiment is absolutely amazing. You said that they had just played it. Are they still on tour with Oryx? Yeah, they played Atlas on Tuesday. Okay. With Oryx and I couldn't be there because my wife's out of town so I had to watch my kids. But I did have Rachel, our taproom manager, the co-director of heavy metal operations at Atlas. She picked up the vinyl for me so I'm very excited.

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Trappis is playing tomorrow night at the atlas oh nice yeah yeah yeah um shit what okay so what else came out this year um the new skeleton witch blew me away i i loved their first album and then they kept making the same album and it was fine and their new album i know some people are not into their long-form black metal phase but i think it rules um and i've gotten to see them live

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Twice now with, what's his name, Adam? Is that the new? Adam, yeah. I say new singer. Yeah. He's been with them for like three years now, but we still call him the new singer. They just took that band and just made them, to say they leveled up is an understatement. I'm really stoked on that album. The new Wake, Canadian Wake, not Arkansas Wake, the Grind Band, that is one of the angriest things I've heard in a long time, and it's super good.

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They actually recorded that with Dave Otero. They flew down from

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wherever they're from. Calgary, maybe? Somewhere in Canada. And recorded that.

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Wait, so the one in Canada is the Grindcore band?

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Yeah, yeah. And then the Arkansas one is the Slow Drug Band.

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Which one is it decibel? The Canadian one?

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Yeah, yeah, the Canadian one. Super fucking good and super awesome live. Super brutal.

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God, what else came out this year? The new Corrosion was fun. I really liked that. Horrendous. I feel like that band is just exactly what I would want from Death if Death could still be a band. And I say that in the best way, not like they sound like they're ripping off Chuck or anything. It's such an interesting... I feel like progressive Death Metal can go very quickly into...

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Or look at all the weird jazz chords. It's still metal. It's still death metal with them. It's just really compelling songwriting. I think that shit rules. It's interesting you said that because just the other night when Horrendous on Veterans Day they played Atlas and I was talking to Alex the bass player and he's like what do you think of the new album? I said it's as if Death put out an album after Sound of Perseverance but before they decide

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to do Cynic. It's the album between that.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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I get to that.

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A lot of times it almost feels like it's closer to individual thought patterns for me.

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Where it's not just because it maintains the aggression a little bit more than the super late era Death did.

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And I like the, they're not clean vocals per se, but the sort of like chanty talky stuff that they're bringing in.

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I think that's really cool. You know, I have this iPod shuffle thing I use when I exercise. It's actually when I swim. You can listen to it underwater, which I somehow find a way to tell every single guest we have. Every episode. You're just waiting for it. Well, but it's funny I was saying this because I had, you can put maybe eight or ten, maybe twelve records on it, I'm not sure. And I have the new Horrendous on there and I also put Symbolic on there. And it's shuffling, but pick two songs.

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from those records back to back. And it was a perfect and fine and great segue. It just was wonderful. So anyway, I'm really just backing up what you guys said and making sure that I make the money from underwateraudio.com. Oh, the new Priest. Oh my God, the new Priest is awesome. I don't know about y'all, but I was really surprised. Priest is not going to put out something I hate, but I couldn't believe how intense it was.

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Okay, well, I thought we didn't talk about that one. I thought that one just sort of... It's actually okay, but we all like Rob. We all like the new one, for sure. So I don't fuck with Turbo. Phil will back that album until he dies, and I think it's so funny. I'm with Phil. I mean, you know, different strokes, different folks. That's fine. I'm not saying it's their best album or anything, but I like it. I'll listen to it, but it's not... If you put on Priest, that's not... No, no. Fuck, what else? I'm actually just looking at the decibel list

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right now. The new At The Gates, I thought, was way more interesting than their last album. I think their comeback album was more solid across the board because it was just it was very like, you know, Slaughter of the Soul kind of stuff. But there are a couple songs in this new one that I think are some of the better things they've done. Also, I just saw them the other night and fuck that band is so good live. I haven't seen them in years and oh my God. What else? Oh,

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Oh, two mold. Oh, fuck. Dude, the new two mold. That is Jesus. That's that is up there with horrendous for being death metal album of the year for me. I don't. They just play together at Alice. Yeah, that whole pairing. Oh, my God. That's I really wish I could have seen that. I'm real bummed. What I love about the two mold guys is that it's the bass player and the guitar player, Payson. And I forget the bass player's name, but they're straight edge vegan guys. And they've played our brewery three times now.

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And they just keep coming back

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every time I'm like

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Wait, is Derek straight edge or is Derek not straight edge?

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Derek's the

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Pace and Power, the guitar player

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and then the bass player

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I don't know the bass player

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He's a bigger guy

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I apologize if there's no chance that they're listening to this

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but if they are listening to this, I forget his name

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but they're both straight edge

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vegan, so we give them vegan tacos

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But they're all about

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We give them the Croix

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And any soda

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And anything they want

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But this

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They played

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They played Atlas three times

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And this is their

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When they played

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The other night

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It was their second

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Veterans Day that they played

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Holy shit

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Yeah

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What are the chances?

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I know

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And I retired from the Marine Corps

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Last year

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So I'm a big fan of Veterans Day

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Obviously

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So it was like

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To me

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I just got back from the UK

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Late on the 10th

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early just so I can make sure that I can see horrendous and tumult play oh that's awesome man and uh two mold brings it they just absolutely bring it and I feel spoiled because I've seen them three times live and they're from Toronto yeah right they keep coming down they tour like monsters it's great I'm sure most of you guys must know this but for those of you who don't they're they also just really released the new free EP I haven't listened to that yet but

01:23:22.940 --> 01:23:52.460
I'm going to see the fucking rips. Yeah, it rips. Yeah, it's great. That's one of my favorite records of the year for sure. I fucking love that band. I death metal has had a particular moment for the last two or so years where the for lack of a better term evil slash primitive death metal has been really hot. And that's not my thing at all. I'm, you know, talking about bands earlier, like I'm obviously much more into I'm into weird death metal, like Gore Guts.

01:23:52.940 --> 01:24:21.840
Definitely like god tier for me. Bands that just you know wear gauntlets and have fog on stage not really my thing. So that Tomb Mold album I love it because it does have a little bit of an evil thing but it's just so there's so many curveballs there's so much interesting stuff going on that I feel like it doesn't fit into that sort of moment of quote unquote evil death metal in the same way and it really stands out to me for that reason.

01:24:22.940 --> 01:24:52.320
Yeah, it's got monster riffs on it too. It's just riff after Rune-E. Well, like last week I had this epiphany in the sense that like I knew of Tumult, I listened to the album, and I liked that album. And I put it on just because, you know, we have the end of year coming up, and so I'm kind of going back, going through everything. And I started listening to it, and I'm like, oh man, these are the riffs that have been in my head the entire fucking year. Like they've just been like subconsciously implanted in my mind. You know, this album's amazing. And the thing that kills me in a good way is that those cats are young.

01:24:55.340 --> 01:25:22.640
They're mostly in their 20s still, early to mid-20s. Dude, I wasn't fucking writing riffs like that at that point. I'm not writing riffs like that now. Fuck. I wish I was. One of the great things about Tumult is seeing him live on stage and pacing the guitar player. When you just talk to him, he's the most absolute nicest, most engaging person. When I showed up at the brewery and I had a whole million things to do, but I talked to him for

01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:27.520
15 minutes. He remembered I had kids. He was asking about kids. The nicest

01:25:28.180 --> 01:25:30.380
goddamn human being. He gets on stage.

01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.200
He absolutely rips it.

01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:35.040
This guy has stage presence

01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:35.960
for days.

01:25:37.900 --> 01:25:39.560
It's super fun to watch.

01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:40.960
I just love watching them.

01:25:41.480 --> 01:25:42.540
The weird thing about it is

01:25:43.100 --> 01:25:45.080
the drummer is the lead singer.

01:25:46.480 --> 01:25:47.540
I almost wish

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with all the dynamics

01:25:49.400 --> 01:25:50.400
that are going on,

01:25:51.680 --> 01:26:18.940
It kind of gets lost that the drummer is the lead singer. So it's almost like you want to have that person more front and present. But it still works. I mean, they're so fun to listen to and watch live. I say again, I'm just spoiled. I'm jealous, man. They came through Denver. They were on tour with our friends of Feather and Bone, who released a phenomenal record this year that I feel like is getting overlooked a lot on year-end lists, unfortunately.

01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:51.640
They came through Denver when Glacial Tomb was on tour. And I was so bummed because everybody else in Chemnitz get to go see the show, hang out. And I was like, I mean, I wasn't bummed because I was on tour, but I was also like, I want to do two things at once. I want to be on the East Coast, but I also want to be in Denver seeing the show right now. Feather and Bone, they played Atlas as well a couple months ago. Was that when they came? They were on tour with Tomb Mold for a while. I don't know if they did East Coast with Tomb Mold though. I can't remember, but I definitely remember in Feather.

01:26:51.700 --> 01:26:52.420
Yeah.

01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:53.980
Fucking great.

01:26:54.660 --> 01:26:55.280
Great band.

01:26:55.340 --> 01:26:55.800
Great dudes.

01:26:56.140 --> 01:26:56.540
Great guys.

01:26:56.660 --> 01:26:56.960
Great band.

01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:00.380
Alvino, their front man slash bass player.

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I guess you can be both.

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You don't have to be slash.

01:27:03.280 --> 01:27:06.540
Their front man is an accomplished photographer.

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He's done all of Glacial Tombs photos.

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He did all of the chemist photos for the new album and the new press cycle.

01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:13.700
Fucking great dude.

01:27:15.140 --> 01:27:20.260
The new Wayfair album that came out this year is so good.

01:27:20.500 --> 01:27:21.140
Love that album.

01:27:21.220 --> 01:27:51.200
That band found their voice and just fucking channeled it. And that album. I also think that ending with an acoustic track is such a ballsy move for an extreme metal album. And it might be the best song on the album. I think that band, we were talking earlier about how extreme metal can, you know, whether or not you're having the same experience, you can tap into those shared feelings, you can get that sort of visceral connection. And I think that Wayfair album is one of them. I'm not an outdoorsy dude. I call myself

01:27:53.740 --> 01:28:20.740
But even though they're channeling the sort of experience of nature and a connection to the earth that I don't personally have, I get it when I hear that album and it lands and it feels very authentic and very compelling. I'm just going to keep telling you guys all the albums I liked at this point. I'm just going to keep drinking wine. That's fine. That's what we do here. I was outside Rick and Lee's back in the fall and I had that album on. It was just almost like a spiritual connection I had with it. Oh yeah.

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I'm doing shit and I'm like and this just totally resonates with me I've been in love with it ever since then it's it's really it's so like I feel like the term atmospheric black metal has gotten so watered down because any black metal band that uses delay pedals gets called atmospheric but I think that band knows how to take the sort of vibe that black metal really is trying to channel and really gets atmospheric with it because they're just letting it do what it does

01:28:51.220 --> 01:29:20.340
They're letting it sound like they're connected to the earth. They're not trying to phone it in with, you know, the newest reverb pedals or anything like that. Hey, John, did we both have the previous Wayfair album on our either mid-year, year-end list, like last year or something, a couple years ago? I did not, no. I think I did. You did. I know you did. I did. But I have to say, this newest album, I just thought was just,

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It wasn't as good as the previous one. I know I'm like poo-pooing everyone's parade right now. Fuck you. It was my number 16. Will just walks in, takes a dump on you, and then leaves. No, no, no, no. But I love Wayfair, but I just thought the last album was just... I could totally see that too. The previous album is sort of riffier in a kind of sense. It's more like palm muted based riff kind of things. And that if that is the style that speaks to you more,

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I'm not trying to undermine your thing I'm just saying fuck you

01:29:58.820 --> 01:30:02.320
I think too the production on the new album can be pretty divisive

01:30:03.260 --> 01:30:08.140
it is very warm and very organic but I know there are lots of people who have been like

01:30:08.260 --> 01:30:14.240
oh I wish it sounded like because they did their first two albums with Otero and then this one they flew out to Brooklyn and recorded with

01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:18.160
yeah what's his name from Kralis

01:30:18.160 --> 01:30:19.120
I just nailed it.

01:30:19.660 --> 01:30:20.000
Colin.

01:30:21.040 --> 01:30:21.280
Colin.

01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:21.540
Yeah.

01:30:21.620 --> 01:30:21.720
Yeah.

01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:22.200
Colin Marston.

01:30:22.440 --> 01:30:22.600
Yeah.

01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:22.740
Yeah.

01:30:22.740 --> 01:30:22.760
Yeah.

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And so like it sounds very different from their other albums.

01:30:28.160 --> 01:30:28.280
Yeah.

01:30:28.280 --> 01:30:29.500
I think their first album is my favorite.

01:30:30.020 --> 01:30:30.200
Honestly.

01:30:31.400 --> 01:30:34.700
So George on our screen, you are like the small circle.

01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:36.120
You're not the big square anymore.

01:30:36.940 --> 01:30:37.500
That's me.

01:30:37.780 --> 01:30:37.980
And I.

01:30:38.240 --> 01:30:38.960
Small circle.

01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:41.280
Whoever it is that is missing now.

01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:43.120
Jay.

01:30:43.620 --> 01:30:43.780
Jay.

01:30:44.080 --> 01:30:44.300
Yes.

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Words.

01:30:46.000 --> 01:31:15.200
I thought of Ghost was talking to us. Because it's coming from that quadrant. Speaking of Ghost. Ghost put out a new album. It was fine. I think the single, Rats, I think that song is fucking awesome. Yeah, it's a good song. That and then the one right after it on the album that has the really intense guitar harmonies. This album's fine. I get what they're doing. But I think those two songs.

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I like their last album a lot this album's fine this album feels like I'm the only ghost fan on the on the show no dude I'm I I was not on board with the ghost strangely enough Dave Otero is who got me on board because they were coming through two three years ago and he's like you gotta go see him live like fucking whatever dude I don't care I don't care about kiss I don't I don't fuck with this he's like once you see him live go back and listen to it and I saw him live they blew me away and then I went back and listened to it and I went back and listened to it and I went back and listened to it and I went back

01:31:45.240 --> 01:32:15.200
to Meliora and I was like oh my god this album absolutely kills and I listened to it religiously for like six months. John didn't we see Ghost Live together? Yeah it was at the Slayer show. Slayer no. Slayer? This is a fucking way Ghost Live. They opened for Maiden. Oh Maiden sorry we did both of those together. No no we missed that I think or we saw part of it. No no we saw it. They played the Fillmore. Yeah they played with um

01:32:15.220 --> 01:32:16.620
I think they headlined the film war.

01:32:17.040 --> 01:32:17.740
Oh, I go to that.

01:32:17.990 --> 01:32:19.000
They did some off dates.

01:32:19.220 --> 01:32:23.900
We played with Kim has played with them on an off date on that maiden tour here in Denver.

01:32:24.060 --> 01:32:28.040
So they may have been playing with maybe Royal Thunder, maybe on that date.

01:32:29.580 --> 01:32:30.020
I don't know.

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Cause it was on support act.

01:32:33.940 --> 01:32:36.260
I've seen them open for somebody two years ago.

01:32:36.420 --> 01:32:37.160
I can't remember who it was.

01:32:37.400 --> 01:32:37.640
Yeah.

01:32:37.940 --> 01:32:39.840
They were on a show with like Mastodon.

01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:40.140
Oh yeah.

01:32:40.140 --> 01:32:40.620
It was open.

01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:40.880
Okay.

01:32:41.700 --> 01:32:41.760
Yeah.

01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:43.360
I saw that.

01:32:43.420 --> 01:33:12.940
My whole point is to kind of back you up, Ben, is that they put on a phenomenal live show. It's an experience to behold when you see them live. Who was it? Who are we talking about? Ghost. Oh, I just missed them last night. When we saw them with Maiden, though, they looked really good, but we couldn't hear them for shit. I saw them on the first tour, and it was with Opeth and Mastodon. Whoever said that, that was right.

01:33:13.400 --> 01:33:42.980
And it was the first American thing. And they were awesome. I actually had a ticket to the show here. But it was in San Jose. And the air quality was so bad. I just didn't want to drive down there. Sure, yeah. Oh, man. They played St. Paul probably a couple years before that. Gosh, I want to say they were supposed to be with Enslaved. But their visas didn't go through, which is awesome. Enslaved? Enslaved was going to take them out, but their visas didn't go through.

01:33:43.420 --> 01:34:13.380
I feel like they played it was like ghost it was uh oh man it was ghost and was that oh man I can't think of the band's name they're from Canada too they have the female lead singer they're kind of a cultish doom uh no uh here I go doing it what Jack's Thoth no no no but that you're thinking of uh I love that Jack's blood ceremony sorry yeah were you thinking of Sabbath Assembly uh yeah

01:34:13.380 --> 01:34:43.360
I love those records man. Nobody knows about them. With that tour they had the incense going and the whole Pope thing and it was just magical. Oh yeah dude it was when the first time I saw them in Denver I guess obviously they had the whole thing. I can't remember who opened for them on that show but like the band was fine whatever and then they like dropped the curse

01:34:45.860 --> 01:35:13.360
And halfway through, the band exited, and Pop Emeritus came out swinging the incense ball, and he had two women dressed as nuns and all this shit. And I was like, for all the reasons I love King Diamond, I love Ghost. I love the theatricality of it. I mean, also, the performance is amazing, but it feels like I'm getting a show for my money instead of just a bunch of dudes playing music, which can be fine, but that's the difference between bands that are good and bands that

01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:20.240
you know our quote-unquote make it that you know they command the stage in that sort of way so you're

01:35:20.240 --> 01:35:24.540
saying that the next glacial tomb show we see you're gonna be throwing around an incense ball and uh

01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:33.120
just clown makeup the whole time yeah why not tribute band it shows how non-religious you are will that

01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:42.560
you called it an incense ball what is it you know i have i have no uh cistern or something i don't know

01:35:42.580 --> 01:36:12.540
what the fuck it's called but i mean i just love that i mean it's like you know what you know that thing with the two pieces of wood i don't know they cross each other what do you call that thing yeah right it's like a tea it's like a tea it's like a small case tea what you know jesus got the whole jesus thing yeah all right well uh in regards to the albums of the year and all that uh you mentioned decibel and i just wanted to uh give uh props to uh chemists for making number nine although i have

01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:42.520
to say, number nine? Really? My thoughts, exactly. I'm not going to complain when people love our stuff. I'm not going to say, you should love it more. We gave you at least two number ones at mid-year. Yeah, I listened to the episode and I was like, oh, you guys are so sweet. You guys really like us. I mean, look. Will's pants came off. Yeah, my pants came off, man. Yeah, there was that whole thing. You know, because it's an audio podcast, I didn't get to see

01:36:42.540 --> 01:37:12.320
the video, but I think Phil made the point of saying, well, what the viewers at home, or the listeners at home don't know, is that actually it was a little bit more than just talking with fans off. That's right. You should have been there in person to see it. There may have been some dry humping on George. Or not so dry. My underwear was still on, for the record. Not that that's much of a barrier. But I had it still on. Were they edible?

01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:42.040
And if so, then it doesn't really count. No, man, look, not a lot of bands get all their albums on any outlet's top whatever list. And the fact that Chemist has been on Decibel every year we put an album out is, you know, we're very, very humbled by that. You know, I will say like, what the fuck, Albert? How come Glacial Tombs on there too? But I don't really say that. Also, Albert, if you're listening, please, I love you. You know, I don't know.

01:37:42.100 --> 01:38:12.080
Yeah, I mean, honestly, probably not. Yeah, he's probably asleep. Although this isn't live, so I guess he could. Anyway, my point is, honestly, like with any band, any project, any creative outlet of any sort, when anybody pays attention, fuck, man. Like that's already more than I or any of us ever asked for. I'm eternally grateful that it lands with enough people to warrant public discussion. But the fact that even one person other than me listens to anything that I've heard

01:38:12.100 --> 01:38:16.080
I've written. With Glacial Tomb, which obviously

01:38:16.380 --> 01:38:18.200
it's much more extreme, it's going to have a much narrower

01:38:18.580 --> 01:38:20.540
sort of fan base,

01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.000
I've just been able to have experiences with people

01:38:24.120 --> 01:38:25.080
that come up and say,

01:38:25.860 --> 01:38:26.800
this part of this song,

01:38:28.040 --> 01:38:29.980
I know that I read the press release

01:38:30.140 --> 01:38:31.400
or I've talked to you before

01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:33.280
and when I listen to this part of the song,

01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:35.200
it helps me through whatever I'm going through.

01:38:35.700 --> 01:38:35.960
Fuck me.

01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:38.460
That's awesome.

01:38:39.140 --> 01:39:08.660
So the fact that Decibel thinks it's good, the fact that the writers there like it, and hopefully people that read the magazine like it, shit, man. I can't ask for more than that. Yeah, but you know what you say to those people, too, that come up and make those comments, too, and maybe this will help you out in the future, and it's this. Get the fuck away from me. Peasant? Peasant. Get the thieves away. That's right. Somebody get that bouncer over here. I made this for me, not for you.

01:39:09.140 --> 01:39:37.640
You have the possibility of making Metalhead's podcast history, all four years of it, as being the first person to possibly be on the year-end list twice. What? Guys, I'm blushing. Like the same list twice, not more than once. Also, if you say that and it doesn't happen, then I'm coming after each and every one of you. Don't get cocky. It's going to happen.

01:39:38.180 --> 01:40:07.700
Is this after Ross and Blunt takes 1 through 25? Yeah. Not metal. Oh, someone's drawing a line in the sand. Yeah, it happens out here every once in a while. We have a couple of grudge bands that... Well, you know what? Today's top 10 list is going to be a lot of fun. Welcome to this episode of Metal, Not Metal. Yeah, I thought about that, George. I didn't want to bring it up, but...

01:40:07.740 --> 01:40:37.660
Yeah. People are going to tune out in the last half. No, I don't think so. Hey dudes, Mike is going to have to bounce. He's going to say goodbye, but I think I'm going to get a glass of wine and stick around if that's okay. Yeah, absolutely. Perfectly fine. Mike, thank you for joining us. Yeah. It was good talking to you. Great. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening and just talking about it. Really do appreciate it, guys. Take it easy. Hope to meet some of you when we're out on the road. All of us.

01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:38.900
Not some of you, all of you.

01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:41.600
Yeah, no, that was probably the better way to go.

01:40:42.420 --> 01:40:44.480
Even we all haven't been in the room together yet.

01:40:44.500 --> 01:40:45.720
There's a couple of these guys I don't want to meet.

01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:50.440
Let's go to Minneapolis, Oakland, and D.C., and you'll see all of us.

01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:52.000
And you'll sell at least three t-shirts.

01:40:52.540 --> 01:40:53.440
Well, Oakland, we'll see.

01:40:53.460 --> 01:40:53.960
Good story.

01:40:54.400 --> 01:40:55.260
We'll be there.

01:40:55.740 --> 01:40:56.860
The rest of you, eventually.

01:40:57.260 --> 01:40:57.580
Minneapolis.

01:40:58.380 --> 01:41:01.400
And the fucking Midwest, you know, sometimes you got to hit it.

01:41:01.540 --> 01:41:05.080
But I feel like every time any tour goes through Minneapolis, it's always in the winter.

01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:06.440
And it's cold as fuck.

01:41:06.580 --> 01:41:36.560
Having toured through Minneapolis in the winter? Fuck that. Cold air. But it was the blizzard on the day of the fucking Decibel Tour. I was there, man. You sold me a shirt. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sucked. I mean, the show was awesome, but it was fucking miserably cold. Yeah. All right, let me walk Mike downstairs. Like, he can't get downstairs by himself. I don't know. But also, I want to get some more booze. Talk amongst yourselves, and I will return momentarily. All right. Well, before we go,

01:41:36.560 --> 01:42:03.740
We want to tell everybody where they can pick up the album. I know you can get it at band. I know I can die. Hell yeah, you can get it at band. I know you can get it on band camp and iTunes. Is there anywhere else that you'd like people to check out? Us, personally. Please buy it from us with cash so that we can go and give that cash to the people that own the houses that we live in so that we can continue to live there.

01:42:05.160 --> 01:42:32.060
The vinyl is supposed to ship from the pressing plant on the 25th or 26th. So we'll have it. We're playing November. Yes. Yes. In November. So we should have it in hand. It'll be available. I actually don't know what Gilead's distribution looks like. Probably your local record store. If not, tell your local record store to get it.

01:42:33.420 --> 01:43:03.380
If you're in the Denver area, it will be available at all of the record stores around town. You can get it from us directly. December 15th in Denver, we're playing a thing called the Decemberger, which is a heavy metal slash slider eating event. If that sounds strange, it is, and it rules. Where is that at? It's at the High Dive. And it's us, Uwata, Crypt Trip, The Ditch in the

01:43:03.420 --> 01:43:03.540
Delta,

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Bummer and Axe Slasher. Axe Slasher is also from Denver. And then we'll have it with us on our West Coast run, which is January 3rd through January 12th or 13th. One of those numbers, whichever one's the Saturday. And then beyond that, you can get it through our web store, through the Gilead web store. Get it hopefully other places. If you're overseas, hopefully we can figure that out. I'm not sure where it's carried overseas.

01:43:34.580 --> 01:44:04.180
these, but we will make sure that you can get it if you want it. Do you have stacks of it at your house? Not yet. So the vinyl should be in my house probably like December 2nd or 3rd. We've got a couple hundred CDs. And also thank you to everyone who's bought a CD. I still can't believe people buy CDs. And I'm so grateful people do. Oh, and we'll have tapes because people buy tapes too. I haven't had a cassette player since I was like 17.

01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:34.520
But other people do. These are all people who have an excess of number two pencils laying around. That's ridiculous. I have tons of tapes and nothing to play them on. I bought my first cassette in like 25 years recently. It was the Thross and Blot. I just got it because it's Joel and I buy anything that Joel puts out. I have nothing to play it on. I took it out. I thought it was pretty and I put it on a shelf. Actually, I got my first one in probably 25 years too recently and it was just because it was

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Bandcamp was tied to a Bandcamp purchase. I just wanted the download and they sent me a cassette. Yeah, somebody gave me one at the brewery. One of the bands playing like, hey, here's a cassette. I'm like, when are we going to do this? Like, let's take it. They're so dirt cheap to make. Everyone just makes them now. Oh, are they? Yeah, I guess I was supposed to. Well, and like, honestly, if people want my music on a format and I can do it, fuck it. I'll give it to you on that format. I want you to have it the way you want it. Like, I bought vinyl for years before

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I actually got around to fixing the turntable that my dad had given me when I was much younger and I just had this stack of vinyl because I was like eventually I'll do something with this but if I'm gonna buy it at least it's satisfying to hold that large square in my hands as opposed to like a cassette I find very unsatisfying but at the same time I know there are plenty of people that love fucking with cassettes and like they like taking the J card and unfolding it and all that yeah been there done that don't need to do that anymore yeah

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It's like, let's bring back Betamax. Yeah. Just wait, the next Glacial Tomb's only going to be on Laserdisc. Those big ones. Yeah. Remember those things? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So before we move into the rest of the episode, I just got to say, I don't think I've said at any point during the interview, but I really fucking love this album. You know, I got the EP because I was like, I'm a huge chemist fan.

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And I was like, oh, come here. Okay, I'll check that out. And I was like, all right, that's cool. I dig it. And so the album came out, or I guess the promo actually for the album came out. And so I immediately grabbed it. And I was listening to it and going, yeah, okay, whatever. And a couple songs in, I had to stop it and go back because I was like, wait a minute, this fucking kills. This is fucking amazing. I love the wait a minute moment. You know, the EP was good, but the album fucking rips.

01:46:34.280 --> 01:47:03.460
So I just had to say that. Hey, thank you, man. I appreciate that we all do. I think I certainly feel the same way. I think we all do. And, you know, the thing is about starting a new project, you know, any new band, your first couple releases, are you figuring out what you're doing and how you work together? That EP was definitely us being like, huh, some of these things work. And then I think this album is us finding some of the things that work better than others. It really gels.

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Thank you. I'm really excited. And like, you know, we just started the Dropbox folder for album two. So hopefully we'll have some more insane and interesting and compelling ideas for the next album. Who knows what it's going to sound like and when it'll come out. If it'll come out, maybe we'll all be dead by then. I don't know. But hopefully it's something that also lands with people. I appreciate you saying that, brother. You're welcome. One more comment. I do like the length of the album.

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Seven songs averaging five minutes. It's like perfect. I have to say like when I find albums and I feel spoiled like oh you're gonna give me 12 songs that are all seven minutes long like it's like I have an attention span like I have two kids. I gotta I gotta fit this in somewhere but like seven songs like five minute average perfect just like the last chemist records like six minutes six uh six songs long I was like absolutely holds my attention.

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Perfect Amount of Length. And I wish actually more bands would kind of go back to that. I'm so going to sample that Perfect Amount of Length. We're here with Glacial Tomb. Perfect Amount of Length. The length. The length of that is this. It was very intentional. It was intentional with Chemist. It was intentional with Glacial Tomb. I mean, I'm the same way, man. When was the last time you had enough time to put on a 2LP and listen to it and really pay attention to it?

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some kinds of music necessitates that length. And I get that, but I think that it's easy for bands to become self-indulgent. And, you know, like I want an album that kicks my ass, holds my attention, and then I'm done with it. That I don't have to set aside, you know, a couple of hours for, unless I want to listen to it more than once. And I think there will always be some contingent of people that are like, no, I like that. Well, that's cool that you have that amount of time, but 35, 40 minutes.

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If it can't fit on one LP, you could have a pretty fucking compelling reason for me to put that second record on. I mean, my best time to listen to music is when I walk my dog every night and I've got 35 to 40 minutes. And that is, you know, I have zero distractions and, you know, I'm probably in the best receiving mode. And, you know, stuff that fits into that is, you know, it works out good. Totally. Is it me making noise? Now you're all crackly.

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That's more of a J noise, but... It is. It's a whole new kind of J noise. Why don't I... Is it something... Do you see anything behind me that's like trying to hurt me? There's a motorcycle. There's someone right behind you. I want to think it's... Get out. Mute real quick and see if it does anything. Hang on one second. What is going on? I think it's probably my MacBook. This thing is ready to die. It got better. Everything that I've learned... Yeah, it's gone now. Every problem you guys all have has to do with Apple.

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Sorry, man. I've drank all the Kool-Aid. I can't go back now. I'm invested. That's a good point, Will. John and I don't have any problems whatsoever, by the way. Yeah, well, PCs are garbage, so... Good question. You don't have any problems. But I can't disagree that Apple is not these days either. I should say, we don't have any computer problems. We have all kinds of problems. I was going to say. Dude, I'm fucked, but normally... All right. Well, my PC works really well. If it flares up,

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Just let me know and I'll pull it out. Sounds like you're getting a phone call at the same time. It's that like staticky kind of interference thing. You could have just sampled that. If it flares up, I'll pull out. I cannot believe the technical difficulties we are having this episode. Yeah, but the beer is flowing. Yes, it is. And the wine.

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I'm drinking an imperial stout how weird is that

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it's it's like the second to the last luch beer

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let's go around what is everybody drinking right now thank you Ben

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I'm drinking something called Altair from Wild Heaven it's an IPA

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from a heaven I remember that

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Yeah, it's actually okay. It's been refrigerated the whole time. Just okay? Yeah. They were happy for that was better from Ocelot. Of course, Ocelot. My God. They do nothing wrong. Yeah. I started with the Stone Sanctimonious IPA. And it was good. And now, like I said, this is the Looch beer. It's Fitness Freak Imperial Stuff.

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with coffee, vanilla and maple syrup. Why do they have to talk about fitness with it? I don't like that part. Yeah. Drinking maple syrup and beer together. There's no fitness going on. Yeah. They're just reminding you what you have to do to work off the beer. Can you pour that on your waffle? Waffles? I would. Oh, that sounds fucking delightful. Yeah. Until you realize how soggy it is, you're like, shit, this was stupid. Yeah, but then you eat the waffle and then you got a good buzz and you're like, well,

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Maybe. Maybe. Maybe it worked out. Can I get another order of waffles? Should we just, as normal, skip UJ? Yeah, it's not 9 o'clock yet, man. It is here. Tonight there's a Sharks game, so mine's in the fridge because when I sit down to watch the game, which is being taped. And you're going to need to drink because of the season they're having so far. Yeah, the Caps do. Eric Carlson still hasn't scored a goal. So what I did just have was,

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Pete's Nitro cold coffee.

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Dad of the winter darkness.

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So does Matt realize that his mic is still not, there's nothing? No, no, no. You're just, we can see what you're saying. Oh, right. How about that? Anything? It sounds like, it sounds like you're at a Minnesota Vikings game. What if you try to move your microphone farther away from your computer? Is that possible? I don't have anything plugged in. Cause was the last, was the last thing I was doing was like vacuum ish too. No, it was crackly. Yeah. It was crackly. What are you doing right now? It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. Right now it's pretty good.

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Oh, I got the internal mic. It comes and goes. Oh, when you lean forward towards the mic, it gets worse. It gets worse. Well, it did. Now, well, fuck my theory. I don't know. Are you in an airplane? It's all right right now. Yeah, I think you're good. I'm drinking something called Freak Parade. It is a hazy double IPA from a brewery called Drecker out of Fargo. Nodak. Fargo. I have to say, I went to the beer store the last two days in a row. Nodak, I like that.

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Can I just get a regular fucking IPA? Right. There's fucking goddamn lazy brewers out there. I'm going to make everything hazy. Like, can I just get a regular goddamn IPA? Well, it means here's the thing. It means so much to me is you as a brewer just want a regular IPA because I'm the same way. I don't want a bunch of shit with it. I just want a hoppy. Like, I want my nose hairs to curl. Yep. Yeah. I sort of feel the same way with stouts. Sure. Can I just get a regular stout? No, I agree about that.

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I can't stand the ones with caramel and vanilla and all that stuff.

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I don't like them.

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I'm saying this as the dude that drinks the least beer by far in this circle.

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I don't know if I told you.

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I used to drink a lot of beer.

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Then I was like, oh, I'm allergic to alcohol or something.

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No, I'm allergic to hops.

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That is very common, actually.

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I thought I was going crazy.

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The doctor actually told me, oh, that's not uncommon.

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She was like, you should try something else. Because I had to have anaphrin nose spray with me if I drank beer. I mean, I'm a little stuffy now, but that's just because I've been sick. But this is how I would be after like one and a half beers. Yeah, that sucks. My stepdad had that too. Yeah, there's lots of people who, and it's actually the hops. Yeah. On the plus side, tequila and wine are both hops free.

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I'm drinking a nice 2017 Black Box Cabernet Sauvignon. You know what, I'm kind of an aficionado. What are some of your favorite tequilas? So my go-to is Cazadores because I think it is the most interesting tequila, like $50 a bottle. I mean, like, I'll drink Esfalon. Esfalon's fine. I think Patron is incredibly overrated.

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But I think that's true. I feel like tequila is analogous to whiskey and wine where like the cutoff is fairly low in terms of bang for buck. You know, you get up to like $25, $30 a bottle. And then beyond that, the sort of relationship between price point and quality like really slows down in terms of its vertical growth. Although I did have one of the Don Julio, like the really expensive Don Julio's a few months ago.

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I happened to be with a friend who knew the bartender and poured a shot of the I don't know it's like $40 or something for a shot and that was I like fuck this and then I took a step and I was like oh my god oh crap it's good but also I was like well luckily I'm poor so I don't have to worry about this tempting me I'll stick with my $20 casadores that is you know sweet and smooth and has interesting notes and doesn't just taste like cactus well let me I got two I'd like to

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I just want to turn you on to this because this is a recent find.

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This is 23 bucks, dude. This is amazing Blanco, dude. Corazon. So good. So good. It's a little citrusy, but... No, I can get down with that. I'm into that. Yeah, I dig it. Anyway, it's fun. I don't get to talk tequila with a lot of people. I know George likes it too, but... You see? One of the funny things about it is that outside of the U.S., it's so hard to find... When we were on tour in Europe, I could not...

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get tequila. Like nobody had, I couldn't get it in fucking Canada. Like you get it at a liquor store, but the venues tended to have very little, if any. And I, I was really surprised by that. I mean, on the one hand, I'm like, okay, well, I guess America is between us and us in that moment and Mexico. But I'm also like, that's not that far. You can mail things. Why is there no tequila in this entire part of the country? That story is called. I was kind of frustrated for a weekend.

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Yeah, indeed. Well, I mean, I don't know. I think it's probably readily available everywhere. I don't know. I mean, we always seem to be a little bit better with the Mexican stuff out here in California, but not too much I can find that you guys can't find, I'm sure. All right. Why don't we get into the rest of the episode and start with the news?

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I was very sad this week to learn. This is completely un-metal news and yet it is metal. The passing of Stan Lee. Yes. You know, I can grandfather this in because of all the metal bands that spoke up to discuss their love of the music.

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of Stanley and all the comics that he gave us, all the characters that he gave us. I personally was a big fan of Stan and the comics that he created, the characters and all, as I just said. But damn, you know, 95, you know, he had a long, full life. So can't complain about that, I guess. And he, well, he was always successful. He got to see the better part of his success towards,

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the end of his life which is nice that even though i don't know that he was raking money in from the movies or anything but yeah i was sorry too i'm a comic book guy for sure and i love marvel stuff so sad to see him go but i agree with you about the 95s good for him nice long life the best part about all the marvel movies is are his cameos oh yeah oh yeah you know they already wrapped avengers 4 too so that he's gonna be in that one post yeah yeah i cry like a baby i'm sure yeah yeah those are so good too oh yeah yeah

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I feel like I'm watching one every weekend and there he is. What's because they put one out every weekend? I just saw Ant-Man and the Wasp the other day and he was in that too. Both my kids love him and I couldn't be happier because it just gives me an excuse to watch each movie like 30 times. Do you remember when they first announced the X-Men movies and we were like, there's no fucking way this is going to be any good?

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And then like,

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and going back,

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I,

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I recently went back to the first one.

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Like,

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I don't know that it really holds up,

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you know,

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compared to how good they are now,

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but it's crazy to think that for so long,

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like,

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have y'all seen the,

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um,

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uh,

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the Dolph Lundgren Punisher?

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Yes.

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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Right.

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Or the,

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uh,

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God,

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Oh my God,

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dude.

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Or the unreleased fantastic four movie.

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Have you ever seen that?

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I haven't seen the unreleased one.

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Oh,

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I'm trying to think who,

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Who fucking directed it? It was, he's a, oh, it's going to kill me. I'll try to look it up as I talk. But in order, you know, in order to maintain the rights over the franchise. I had to do something. And when I, when I find out, when I look up who it is, you're going to be like, I can't believe it's on YouTube. It is unwatchably bad. It bothers me so much that they can't get the Fantastic Four right too. Cause those comic books have some of the coolest scientific

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stuff in them and oh yeah that's what galactus you know if you could put galactus

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they can't do one right they just can't ben did that one come up before um this most recent one

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yeah this was like or i just was like 93 94 something like that so it's really old classic four stuff okay

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oh here and this is what i mean roger corman well what do you expect that's right i remember that now

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And I read not too long ago, because I knew it existed, and I was reading about why it existed, and it was literally that they had to produce it to maintain the rights, and they just shelled it. And then somehow it got leaked on the line. So if you're ever just really feeling like you want to hurt yourself, go to YouTube and look that one up. I can't. I've made it like five minutes in, and then I just skipped around. It's like, oh, there's Dr. Doom. Oh, that's embarrassing. And then I turned it off.

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Dr. Doom, yet another reason I want somebody to get that one right.

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It feels like they should be able to get it right. Given the fact that they have real actors doing, because for so long comic book movies were maligned and seen. I'm glad you actually bring up Stanley's death, not because I don't want to talk about him dying, but I don't know if y'all saw today or yesterday that Bill Maurer commented and was like, oh, adults trick themselves into thinking that comic books are a complex adult artistic medium, but always stupid adults do it. I'm paraphrasing, but something

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like that dude he's just been a troll his entire career

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but i think he also not agree with you more he frustrates me as someone who's very like a

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self-identified very liberal person i'm always like fuck you you make us all look so bad

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But also like that misrepresentation of comics and comic related stuff, superhero stuff. Like it, it, I mean, it was huge for me as a kid. And I'm sure, you know, to varying degrees, y'all had that as well. But I see it, you know, like in my nephews, like my brother's kid, I was saying earlier, the one that calls me Uncle Biscuit. He's, he's seven now. And superheroes are like his way of connecting.

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things that happen in the world that he doesn't understand to a world that he can talk about. Now, he doesn't see it like that. He just sees X-Men, Spider-Man, whatever. You already see it as the way that he's starting to process big picture stuff happening. And that was, looking back, that was a huge thing for me, not for comic books, making sense of global events or even just the idea that there is a world outside of my community without comics. I don't know if that would have happened.

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it wouldn't have happened in the same kind of way and that there was always a warmth to it you know that there was something human in all of the marvel comics um so fuck yes stanley i raise my glass to you brother thank you for for all of it excelsior excelsior all right so the next item uh is regarding the decibel tour and you know i realize i don't think we've actually talked

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about the Philly Decibel Fest yet, so we'll get to that next. But Decibel announced the 2019 Decibel Tour featuring Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Necrot, Blood Incantation, and Immolation, who will be taking over for Cannibal Corpse the last week of the tour. Play the burner sound effect, please. That's pretty cool.

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I realized we're not getting cannibal corpse here. Oh, no. I was like, oh. Do you guys want to fly out to Minneapolis and we can see? Yeah, maybe. Please? Please? Or come to Denver and hang out where it's real cool. You know, I have to say, I've only seen incantation once. I've seen cannibal corpse many times. Immolation. Sorry, immolation. And also blood incantation, not incantation, which is even better. Yeah, there you go.

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with that. I'm looking forward to it. I'll go. I want to see Blood Incantation again, so I'm definitely cool with it. Yeah, they were at DeathFest. I've never seen them. They were fucking awesome at DeathFest. But also Necron. I mean, this is a cool idea. Well, no, well, Jay, I have to see Necron after they absolutely just abused me when we interviewed them. Remember, they called me a poser. I don't remember that. Yeah, because I wasn't able to make it to the pre-show the night before. They just abused me.

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me during the interview and i just said that's so funny blood and condition necrot both played atlas either right before or right after the decibel fest last year and i couldn't make it because i was going to the decibel fest and uh yeah i ran into that neck record a lot he's always at shows here and stuff and they've opened for most of the black metal bands and stuff and the deaf metal bands yeah i think george and i saw him at death fest and that was definitely the highlight on that blood incantation yeah for sure sunday i think they played

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I can't remember what they did.

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Yeah.

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I haven't seen them, so that'll be the first time I see them.

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I mean, to me, it's going to be bummed.

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They are so good.

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I know.

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They were on my list when Starspawn came out.

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I know that.

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Love that album.

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I think they were on everybody's list.

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Yeah.

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Not to suck the city's dick too much, but is this the first time that two years in a row the opener on the Decibel Tour has been from the same city?

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That's a good question.

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How many Decibel Tours have there been?

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I think this is number eight or ten. I think so. It didn't seem like it, but yeah. Turns out time is passing by all of us very quickly. Constantly. Thanks for reminding some of us. Well, look, I'm good at bringing the mood down. What do you want from me? So I think we talked about on the last episode how they were going to be announcing the Philly Decibel Metal

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But since then, they have released most of the bands that are going to be there. So why don't we run through that real quick? Baroness, Obituary, Death, Heaven, Enslaved. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just don't skip over Obituary. Obituary doing what? Oh, sorry. Cause of death? Doing all of cause of death. Holy shit! Yes! Which I just listened to again the other day.

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Thank you. Skip over Deaf Heaven because... Enslaved, who will be playing all of Frost. Thank you. Thank you. Ex-Horder, Deceased, which by the way, condolences to them on the recent loss of their drummer. I saw that. I just listened to the new album today and it's freaking awesome. I said freaking.

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Rosetta,

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Two Mold,

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Wake,

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who we were just discussing,

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Heavy Temple,

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and Outer Heaven.

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So,

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it's not a bad lineup.

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There's a couple more bands to be announced that we'll find out,

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I think,

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next month.

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Well,

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the truth is,

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we know one of them.

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We won't say it,

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but we know there's some big names.

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Winky.

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Stop talking about your Winky.

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One that will excite people we know,

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and that's all we know.

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I think Will knows the rest of them.

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The band is called We Know.

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Yes!

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Most of us anyway have already picked up our tickets for the festival.

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I don't know about a certain person.

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Oh, I'll get mine now.

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Okay.

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Atlas is boring, by the way.

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Atlas is boring among them.

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I was 90% chance I was coming just because you guys are obviously going to be there.

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But then I was a little underwhelmed with the first announcement, but now I'm back on board.

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We all need to be in the same room. We have never been all of us in the same room at the same time. We have a hotel room, so I will give you the number. Ben, you're invited too. Yeah, I mean, as long as I'm not on tour with either of the bands, I'm planning on being there. I have come to realize, because I'm fortunate enough to see these cool fests because I've gotten to play them, that I don't give a shit about standing on my feet. I don't know how else I would stand. Standing around for a long time and seeing bands

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for like six or eight hours, but it's the community part. It's seeing friends that I haven't seen in a long time or in cases like this, seeing people that like I know, but I haven't actually got to hang out with. Like that is so incredibly satisfying. My wife and I went to psycho Las Vegas this year and had an amazing, like we went, uh, you know, Kim was played last year and we had an amazing time, but just getting to go and like, didn't load anything. Didn't have to play. Didn't have to play. So I didn't have to stay sober. Um, it just,

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just doing whatever and seeing friends you know friends i didn't even know we're gonna be there dude fuck yeah so like i was hanging out not this sounds name dropy i don't mean for it to but i was hanging out with um uh eva and grutla at psycho because we'd been on tour together and they told me about the frost set and i was fucking stoked and they're like you're gonna be there right and i was like well you guys said come to psycho and i'm here so i think anytime you you ask me to go somewhere i'll be there and they were like cool every time we play america

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"I'll see y'all there."

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Did you see the videos they made of when their drummer laughed?

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Oh yeah.

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Hilarious videos of trying to get their new drummer or auditioning drummers and stuff or whatever it was. I can't remember but it was really funny.

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They had to lay their head down between the kick drums and be like "Try it now!"

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No, that is not very funny.

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You should go watch them if you haven't seen them.

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It's really funny.

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Yeah, they're just really hilarious.

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And they made it sound like we're just gonna put this person through hell. Which of course is I'm sure not true. It's called the Metallica treatment. They had the drummer lined up for the bad part of a year. But like, you know, you had to like, work it out and have the transition and everything. I liked that they sort of staged it like that instead of just being like, well, Kato's gone. Yeah, yeah. And they sort of celebrate. I don't know what was his last show was kind of some big deal fest or something. Oh, the Beyond the Gates. Yeah, you talked about that? Yeah, where they that was the first time

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They did Frost. You know, I just put Rune on this weekend for the first time in a while. That's probably my favorite one. I say a different one every time, but I think Rune is probably my favorite enslaved record. I switch with Rune and Below the Lights. I go back and forth. Yeah, and that's a reasonable switch. All right. Let's move on to this next item. The thing that everybody's been talking about. I don't even know.

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This is fucking ridiculous.

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I did some fast reading.

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I'd only seen it from a distance, so I didn't know much about it.

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I know a little more now, but fill me on what you consider to be the hot points of this.

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So, yeah, there was so much of it I didn't read at all.

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What I would call the bullet points is this guy has a band, and he used social media inappropriately

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and basically faked having a manager and a promoter and all these things. And an audience. Bought Facebook likes and things like that. All these things to make it look like his band was popular even though nobody had heard of them. And using all of this fake online information, he managed to book a European tour. And hired a session or, you know,

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You know, tour, touring musicians to go with him. And then they got there and because they didn't have any real fans, nobody actually came to any of the shows. Well, so but now here's here's an addendum and maybe you were going to hit this up. And that is that now he's saying it was the sort of artistic expression of the art showing us all how stupid we are. Yeah, some bullshit. But isn't it? Isn't that what Joaquin Phoenix did after he disappeared and became like,

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some homeless dude for a couple years and filmed himself and it was just artistic creativity and i was like yeah okay

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yeah i think he was just trying to make it work and it didn't work what kind of music was it i don't even

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know i thought i think it was supposed to be metal i mean i'm pretty sure it's supposed to be metal

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yeah some sort of metal rock metal right they said he was in some band for like a week uh what the hell

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was the band. Oh, Abigail Williams. Yeah. Abigail Williams. Yeah. But he's like not credited. I, you know, I should text Ken. I know Ken because Connor is the original vocalist of Abigail Williams. I should text Ken and just be like, you know, what's going on? Is this like a long game for Abigail Williams? You guys are going to like try to get. Well, he hasn't said anything. He has not acknowledged it publicly. So like I have met, I imagine that anyone that even knows this Jared threatened,

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is definitely trying to get as far away as fucking possible. We've already given this guy way too much time. We really have. Here's the thing that bothers me is I can't figure out what the end game was. You're going to get found out. Did you think if you book it, they will come? Right. I mean, yeah. Didn't anyone catch on when he's like posting pictures of his CD at Best Buy? I'm like, dude, Best Buy hasn't had CDs in forever.

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I saw a thing on Metal Sucks or Metal Injection or something where they pointed out that all of the quote unquote live videos were cell phone videos that didn't actually show the band and it was blown out audio that was obviously superimposed. And like the video of himself interviewing himself. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of look. Oh my God. Something Trump would do. Remember that guy who tried to get into Harvard or something like that? And he was this Russian dude and he filmed. He had this film.

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about himself. Something like, I always believe impossible is nothing or something like that. It was so funny, man. It's a real thing. Anyway, sorry. I was thinking about Tommy Wiseau. He's trying to make the room of heavy metal. He managed. I don't know. Even darker. It's very confusing, to be sure. Yeah, to be sure. Well, let's move on from that.

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So I was listening to XM Radio this past week and they had this KISS town hall. And I was like, ah, yeah, whatever. KISS town hall, blah, blah, blah. You know, KISS hasn't been relevant for years. But I did catch some of it and I was like, oh, God, they sucked me in. You know, I mean, I love old KISS. Yeah. And I've seen them a couple times in the past decade and they were really good.

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You know, they put on a damn good show, whatever the music they've been putting out. I guess they haven't ever put anything out lately. And so now I really kind of want to see this farewell tour. And I just wanted to be like, does anybody else actually feel the same way? Or am I on an island here? I'm on the fence. Yeah, I'm the same as Jay. I mean, I've seen him a bunch of times in the past. I'm on the fence because it is... I'm sorry, John, go ahead. No, I was going to say, if Paul Stanley's voice is not...

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not sounding as good as it hasn't sounded recently. It's going to make it really hard to go see them. I couldn't agree with you more, especially since I used to hold his singing in such high regard. Well, still do. I mean, when he was great. And we talked about these guys not too long ago. And the 96 when they did the reunion tour, it was still amazing. Yeah, that was a great tour. And I kind of want to hold that as my memory. But at the same time, it is the last go around. So it's the first time in a while I've considered going. Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't know. They don't have any dates here yet, but... When I was younger, I was a Kiss fanatic. I've never seen Kiss live, so I'm going to do everything possible to go see them in Baltimore when they come around. Or Philly. Either Philly or Baltimore. You should. Let me know. I'll go with you. They're sort of mending some fences. They're starting to sound like, yeah, they'll have the other guys on at a couple places and stuff, which is kind of cool. Well, I think, didn't Gene do something or Paul do something with Ace recently? Yeah, Gene's doing this weird vault.

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Yeah.

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They've all shown up to one of them. I think he's had just about everybody.

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Let's be honest. Gene's not going to pass up on a golden opportunity.

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Yeah.

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By the way, who can still sing? He can still sing.

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I like his voice.

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So.

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Oh, well.

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It's just too bad that he's the biggest asshole whatever, but definitely in the group that he's the one whose voice still holds up.

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You're right, though.

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No, he's a total douchebag.

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But I mean, again, I think we've all or I don't know about all of us, but it sounds like most of us, they were kind of close to our heart, at least at one point in our lives. And for me, they were my first real band. So, yeah, I've definitely been thinking about George. I think this was worth discussing. Yeah, when they announced it, I was like, yeah, whatever. But I don't know, you know. You know, I saw, so I haven't seen him since like 96. And then maybe 97, I think I saw him again right after that. But one of the last cool things I saw that have all kissed was when Paul Stanley did his solo tour for that record.

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He released. Fucking awesome, dude. He came out and did all a bunch of stuff from his solo record, did a bunch of KISS stuff. And I mean, the first KISS solo record, which was like my favorite one of them. Oh, man, it was so good. And he still sounded like Paul at that time. I mean, this would have been 10 or 12 years ago or something like that. Anyway. All right. So we got a couple of upcoming albums to announce. I don't know how this one got so close to us without us knowing about it, but Venom is released

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a new album, Storm the Gates, on December 14th, which is less than a month from now. I listened to the song. They have one of the songs that's out. Oh, really? I didn't hear it. Is it good? Yeah, sorry. It's a little bit more like older Venom than the last record was. I just wish they'd just get back together, to be honest with you, because now Avedon is out of Venom Incorporated, and that's just... And I like those three guys. I like Mantis, Avedon, and Cronus. I would love to see them do another record. Yeah, that would be good.

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But it was okay. I don't want to put you off. It was a cool enough song. Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn't expecting much, but I just didn't know that there was a song out yet. But you know, there's always the hope, right? There's always the hope. Yeah. So, and then Jay told me about this one. I had no idea this was coming, but Swallow the Sun is releasing a new album, When a Shadow is Forced Into the Light on January 25th. Very much looking forward to that one. Yeah, me too.

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Didn't they release one of those songs already? You know, I think they did, and I didn't listen to it. Yeah. I think it was because it was an instrumental track or something. It's some epic thing. It's like really long. It's like 15 minutes long or something. Something. Yeah. Yeah, I meant to listen to it, and I didn't. No, I'm looking forward to it. Then we have the new Soan album, Lotus, on February 1st. That's Martin Lopez, formerly of Opeth. I really liked their last album.

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I feel like this one came out kind of quickly. Wasn't there one like last year? Yes. I think there was as a matter of fact. That sounds right. I just saw them in September, actually. You saw them live? Yeah. So I guess he got over that. They've been torn for a while. You know what I'm talking about? You remember he couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. I loved him, dude. I loved him as a drummer and an opeth. I thought he was amazing. He drew my attention big time.

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Oh, yeah. He still sounds great. I bet he does, yeah. And the last new release, October Tide, are going to be releasing a new album, which apparently doesn't have a name yet, somewhere in early 2019. That, I believe, features former members of Catatonia. And I know John, as well as myself, are fans of the band. Yeah, they were great at Death Fest when we saw them. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they were cool. That was last year?

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Yeah, I think so. I don't think it was this year. No, it was last year, yeah. Yeah. All right, and now we've got some shows to talk about. Iron Maiden tickets are on sale for their 2019 North American Legacy of the Beast tour. Can I ask a question? Did you guys do the pre-sale on yours? Yes. We were fortunate to do the fan club pre-sale. Oh, thank you, TR. Yes.

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Yeah, we got tickets for on Tuesday. We got ours. Did you get pretty quality tickets? They're good seats, but I think the fact that Ticket Bastard, you know, got nailed on that thing where they were selling to third party vendors to sell tickets, you know, on those. Yeah, it's it blows my mind. You know, you're not getting the first couple of rows on those pre-sale pre-sale dates, you know, so. Well, you know, actually,

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I did notice and I almost never have to buy from Ticketmaster anymore it seems like but I did on this show and I was pretty surprised that when I went to buy mine because and I got like a Ticketmaster pre-sale things really these pre-sales now like especially if it's Ticketmaster is just saying 450 bucks you can have one the day before and and you know what I mean maybe that's what it always was but when I went to do it it said um which pre-sale password are you using and there was like eight pre-sales going on I was like this is a crock of shit it is it's all that stated I gotta

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really good seats for the most part considering it's a jiffy lube which is like just massive cavern so i'm

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seeing them at you know where the warriors play oracle whatever it is um there yeah um but by the way super

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excited about this tour i mean all the photos of the tour with the airplane and all that so on and so

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forth this is gonna be a good one if you have anyone looked at the set list no uh i did for the european

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Yeah, I cheated. And I was really happy to see one song that was in the set list. Is it Children of the Damned? No, but if people don't want to know, I'm not going to say anything. I don't care. Is it Ace's High because they didn't do it on the last tour when I saw them? No. Well, fuck you. No, they are doing Ace's High though. John wasn't excited about that. They are doing that. That's what the plan's for, right? They're doing,

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actually the best blaze songs because bruce sounds awesome on them they're actually doing the

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klansman again which is cool and i've seen them actually play the klansman on 2002 i thought saw them do that

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he sounds amazing on that so um you know it's funny too i bought my ticket i don't even remember

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the show it's one of these dates july july god damn just y'all are serious fans like i love iron maiden i was like i'll buy it like a month or two before

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Yeah, but they actually sell really well in the D.C. area. Every time we've seen them, it's sold out or close to. I think ours will sell out too. So I don't want to take any chances. Yeah. So another tour that I would like to see, but it probably won't be able to, Hypocrisy and Flesh God Apocalypse are going to do a North American tour, but the closest they're getting to us is Richmond, and I don't know if I like them enough to go to Richmond.

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I don't recall.

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He's trying to get me to go with him.

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Yeah.

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That would be pretty awesome.

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Both of those bands are pretty amazing.

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And then the last show, another one we can't see.

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Devin Townsend is doing an evening with Devin Townsend acoustic shows in 2019, but it's only going to be in Europe.

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Fuck you, Devin Townsend.

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I would have loved to have seen him do that because, nonetheless, there's a sense.

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Fuck you, Europe.

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Yeah, fuck you, Europe. I mean, I feel like he'll probably bring it stateside. I feel like a lot of groups try things out in Europe, and they're like, if this does well, then we can take it to the U.S. Yeah. The Max and Igor doing, what are they doing right now? Like Beneath Remains and Arise? Like, it's only going to be in Europe. And then they've started announcing South American Day. It's like, it's going to come to North America, too. That I would go see. Yeah, they don't even have to test that one. I mean, people are going to go to that.

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Did you all go to the Roots one? No. Saw them in Germany. Yeah, we saw them at Wacken do that. Dude, I don't fuck with that album. And when they, Zach from Chemist and I went, and they were fucking awesome. Like in the middle, they did an 80s thrash metal medley. They did Roots, Bloody Roots twice. Yeah. They opened with it, and then they, if you saw them do it in Germany, then you saw them do this, where they closed with it, but it was just blast beats the whole time. Like, that was, because I was like,

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Like, are they doing this again? And then Igor just went off. Anyway, I'm interrupting the conversation. No, not at all. The point is, it is what I'm here for. Let me rephrase that. Our whole conversation is one long interruption, dude. There we go. I like that. That's how I think about conversation, generally speaking. We have a script, which is just a bulleted list of topics, and it's very loose. Very loose. Hot dog down the hallway loose.

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any clips that need to be edited together from this whole episode i'll pull out hot dog down a hallway

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i love that freeze just the tip the hot dog got that hallway that yeah i'm dying over here

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i don't have a mute button like will does um all right last news item i just thought this was kind of

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amusing uh as if they haven't made something for everything else in the world that they're trying to

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KISS I guess Metallica has made watches and the Master Puppets one is actually kind of cool I looked it up and I was like it's not like even an Apple watch it doesn't do anything but show time and have like crosses on it I'm like eh well I'm kind of a watch guy I like Swiss watches and stuff it's not even a nice watch it's not even a nice watch watch yeah really okay so anyway

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I just thought I'd mention that. Let's move on to new releases. First up, the band Anomaly and their new EP Integra. This is Austrian post black metal. I know John likes this. What do you think of this, John? Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. I mean, I ended up getting the last album because I went back and listened to it.

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I said surprisingly I

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I did not dislike it. It is this epically beautiful symphony of black metal. I think it's one of the greatest albums I've ever listened to. Was I talking about Wilt? Wilt, I think it was Wilt. Yeah, I think it was Wilt. Up in the Mike Colton in the Dan Kloganik jar area. Yeah. Interesting, Wilt. Past tense.

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I'm going to go to John for this next one. This is anti-matter black market

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enlightenment. Well, yeah, I was surprised you put this on there, but that's very cool. I mean,

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they're, uh, I would definitely say they're not a metal band. They're, they're a prog band, but they have metal roots. Um, Duncan Patterson was, you know, from anathema when they were,

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Doom Metal. And he left the band and formed this band with Mick Moss and he's since left. But it's just it's prog rock with a heavy. Is it gays? No. Progressive rock will. So you can turn off and you don't have to listen if you don't want to. But no, no, I actually listened to it and I had under. No, I try and do my homework when I can. It sounded like gays. No, not at all. Black gays. No.

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That's all he was doing. I got that. No, no, no. Actually, my note is gays. No, it's not, though. It's prog rock with a kind of Floydian influence to their sound a little bit without being Pink Floyd. Cool. Next up, the new Ashes of Aries album, Well of Souls. This is the second album from Matt Barlow of Iced Earth fame.

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Keeping That U.S. Power Metal Alive. I freaking love this album. I mean, Matt Barlow can do no wrong as far as I'm concerned. John Schaefer, Matt Barlow, oh yeah. I just find it amazing whether you like any of the stuff he does or not that he's getting in his late 40s and that guy can still sing like anything. Maybe he's been fortunate, John, like John Arch was and in which that he, what could have been some of his heaviest touring years, he ended up being a cop and all that stuff.

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So he's not blowing it out there every night. You know what I mean? He's done way more than John Arge. But yes, I agree. I think that that saved his voice in his later years. Definitely. I agree. Yeah, but he has done a lot more than John Arge. But he sounds amazing on this album. Yeah, I don't listen to a lot of power metal these days, but I will listen to this. Well, if power metal sounded like this, I would listen. I'm going to throw a weird thing at you guys real quick and you're going to be like, shut the fuck up. I have to do it anyway. Because I've listened to the. Everyone's throwing dildos. Shut the fuck up.

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I've listened to the Primordial record quite a bit, and there are times when the dude from Primordial, especially on the new record, bear with me here, sounds like Matt Barlow every once in a while on some of his higher notes. Yeah. I could send you some examples. Well, he's got that Twilight of the Gods band where he does power metal. That was a terrible example, but I mean, there's a note that he has that's a Matt Barlow note. Let's put it that way. Well, I'm hoping they tour again, because when they toured the first time,

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I know George and I saw them in different shows. They were great. Next one isn't out yet, but I put it on here because this is going to be our last new releases for the year. Chapel of Disease. And as we have seen the storm, we have embraced the eye. I have heard one of the songs. When is it supposed to be out? It's not until next month. No, no, no. It's this month. It's November. I just looked it up. It's November 25th, I think, or something like that. Okay. And I listened. There's two songs available you can listen to.

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Where'd you find them? It's weird. You gotta go to their Facebook page and they put them on YouTube. Okay. It's good. It's better produced than the first one, which I have to tell you one thing I liked about the first one was the production because it reminds me of like a dark 80s thing. But it sounds like them. I'll be interested to hear what you think of it, which makes it sound like I'm not thrilled. I like them and I expect big things from them. They made the decibel list already. So I remember, I think maybe it was just me

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Me and You and Jay, who had them on some list a couple years ago. Yeah. Years ago, you guys did that. Yeah. Mysterious Ways of Repetitive Art. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we both dug that record. Their album titles keep getting longer. At some point, they're going to be Red Sparrows. And they also, I think, always have ellipses. Yeah, they're going to, at some point, be the Red Sparrows. If anyone knows who the Red Sparrows are. Honestly, no. Sorry. But I'm excited for this.

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As Will just stated, he and I both really liked their first one. Actually, I think it was their second one. Jay, you're an ISIS fan and you don't know who Red Sparrows are? Oh, no. Is it, well, which one is it? Is it Aaron Turner or is it one of them? It's the Crilly Hair Guitar Player, too. Yes. And Emma Ruth Rundle was in Red Sparrows. And Josh Grimm, who was doing

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and then left and did what a storm of light i think he's in yeah yeah that's a good one yeah i'm gonna throw something weird out there and i don't know where he got this but john burkholder travis was was also troubled when i told him i might not make the spring decibel um for some reason he's under he thinks that there's going to be an isis that isis like an isis reunion could happen i don't know why he thinks that but i'm just throwing that out there i have not

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I would be interested if that happened.

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Well, they did the Caleb thing.

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Yeah, right.

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But they played like they played under a different name, right?

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Yeah.

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Uh, fuck.

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What was it?

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It was one of the others.

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It's like, yep.

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Oceanic or Panopticon or something like that.

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Maybe that's why he was thinking, but which by the way, that Caleb thing, that was a bummer,

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man.

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That guy was in a few things I loved.

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Um, especially old man gloom.

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I think he was driving force behind Old Man Gloomly's. That's the impression I got. Anyway, that was sad. And I think we talked about what happened. Yeah. So I didn't go, but Mike actually flew out for that thing. And he said that it was a really, really interesting experience because everyone knew why they were there. And then you'd get caught up in the music. Everybody's drinking and like you're seeing friends from around the world. And then everybody would then remember why they were there. So there was this like really intense ebb and

02:37:24.500 --> 02:37:29.400
flow of like energy and then fuck and then energy and like oh but oh fuck

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but at the same time uh i i i really like his contribution to heavy music i didn't like

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any of the like not that i don't like any of those fans but like those bands never spoke to me

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and people have always been surprised that i'm not like a huge fan of i like uh the only cave-in

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thing that I love is the EP they put out when they got back together

02:37:54.739 --> 02:37:58.580
like I don't dislike that but I think that EP is amazing and then I go back to their older

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stuff and I'm like oh that's fine

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but he did a few things with Aaron

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Turner a couple of things I think and then he also

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did I think he had a band called Zobra

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yeah yeah it was like

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his thing which I don't know how it happened

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but that performed at

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the LA show

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yeah I don't

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know I don't know who was in it I don't know how they

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you know, you know, filled his spot, but apparently it was because it wasn't announced. It would be ISIS thing was like all anyone needed. Yeah. And then when everyone got there, they're like, oh, by the way, this is also happening. Well, that's a third time I've chimed in and bummed everyone out. No, no, no, no. I think I, I think that was my fault. I think I'm the one who did it, but we, so anyway, for some reason, my friend John has, he's enthusiastic at the thought that there would be an ISIS reunion would be part of any, he even went so far as to say,

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I'm enthusiastic about this next album. This is Cult Leader and a Patient Man. That's their second album. There seems to be some debate over what style of music this is. Which has been enjoyable. Some people are saying that it's, somebody actually said punk, but I think maybe they meant hardcore. There's been Sludge and Death Metal, and I don't,

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Honestly, I don't know. I don't care. It's just a fucking amazing album. And I was not a big fan of the first album. But this one, I don't know. They found it. It's good. I'm in agreement. Next album, December Noir, Autumn Kings. This is the third album from a German Death Doom band. I have vague recollections of their last album.

02:39:50.120 --> 02:40:19.300
But this one is really good. I don't know if anybody else checked it out. Yeah, I gave it a spin. It was good. I liked it. I liked it. Yeah. Next up, the new Evokin album, Hypnagogia. It's their sixth album, their U.S. funeral death doom band. I don't know that it was a particularly funeral type album. It was a little faster than that, I would say. And it wasn't necessarily traditional death doom either, I didn't think. It was kind of in between the two.

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Yeah. In fact, there's like one song that's like extremely fast. Yeah. So I don't know what the hell to call it, but it's Evokin' and it's pretty awesome. It was cool. I liked it. I like it a lot. I like dicks. See? Good to know, Will. Good to know. Well, thank you for that. Because I do like dicks, but I also like Evokin' without dicks. Yeah.

02:40:49.620 --> 02:41:19.340
So hour three is really where the podcast goes off the rails. Yeah, we went off the rails before we signed on. Mr. Ben, you have no idea that after the late hours of the wee morning in the United States, the eastern... Well, hold on now. I don't appreciate you trying to ape a southern accent, and you ain't no goddamn southerner. Let's just get this straight real fast. Let's just get this straight, Mr. Ben. Or wait, maybe you are. Maybe you are. I don't actually know. I don't know where you're from. I am from Philadelphia.

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I ain't no goddamn south, boy. My interface just told me that I'm too loud and I just fucking redlined. Anyway, go back to talking about Avokin. I haven't heard the new album, but I bet it's really good. It is. It's cool. Yeah. Next up, we have Lucifer's Child and the album The Order. It's their second album. They're a Greek progressive black metal band.

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I this is one of the you know we listen to so many albums on this on this podcast that sometimes you go oh what's this okay and you'd like I'll listen to like 30 seconds and then move on and that was what I was expecting to do and wow this is actually a really good album so I I recommend checking this out is it is good anyone anyone I saw some awesome had nods yeah no I like that I haven't checked it out yet all right

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Next we have a local band. Will, it's more like this. I'll spare you the visuals. Don't worry, George, you're going to be part of the visual in a couple weeks. A local band by the name of Myopic. Their self-titled first album. I'm not entirely sure where they're from. Somewhere in Maryland. I thought it was Baltimore, but

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Metal Archive says Tacoma Park. So I don't know. But they're a sludge black death doom band. It sounds like they take their cues from Glacial Tomb. Hey! Tacoma Park is great outside in Maryland, like near Silver Spring, Hyattsville, just outside D.C. Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe we need to talk to these guys because this is a pretty cool album. Then we have...

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An album that I've been waiting a few years for. The new album from the ocean. Phanerozoic 1. Paleozoic. That's pretty good, George. You did all right. That's all I got to say about that. Wait, I'll say something about the ocean. I always forget that band's around because I feel like they have such an ebb and flow of productivity.

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We played with them in Leipzig earlier this year, and they fucking destroyed. Man, they were good. Aren't they fucking great live? And the singer, what's the main dude, Robin? Is that his name? I think so, yeah. Had just broken his arm, so he was in a cast with a sling and still just owning the stage. He goes crazy. And also, and I'd love to be able to say this about any band, but especially bands that are well-known,

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We hung out with them and Celeste. We got to hang out with both of them. For bands that in my mind are very accomplished, very successful, they were very excited to talk to us and hang out, which I was all giddy about. I haven't heard the new Ocean album, but I can guarantee that if you get the chance to see them live and you miss it, then you have blown an important thing in your life. You failed.

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I saw them when they toured for, was it Pelagio, the last album? And they played the whole album all the way through. That's all they played. And they just completely destroyed the venue we were in. It was DC9, so it was only like maybe 150 people. And it was just fucking awesome. So good. They're so good. Yeah. Have we heard anything about tour dates for this? No, I haven't heard anything yet. Although I think they are doing some dates, but they're all in Europe, I think. Yeah, I don't think they've announced any US stuff yet. Yeah.

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I'd like to see that. Yeah.

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Next up, we have the new Cycloptic album, As the Kingdom Drowns, seventh album, Australian Tech Death. It's good stuff. Yeah. It's got an awesome album cover. Yeah. Yeah. Very good art.

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So this is on the list of bands I forgot existed because Tech Death, I don't know much of it, it burned me out in the 2000s. Like everybody started sweet picking all of the time and it was very frustrating.

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And I've always liked Cycloptic. I've never gotten to see them, unfortunately. And they just sort of slipped my mind. And when this album, I got the promo for this album, it fucking kicked my ass. There are some moments on this album that I think speak to what technical death metal can do without being self-aggrandizing. Where it's technical and it's complicated, but there's a song and there are riffs and there are moments that you hang on to instead of it just being,

02:46:16.680 --> 02:46:46.660
Like, you know, shreddy moment, shreddy moment. I think this band, probably because they're from Australia, will always be criminally underrated and so much better than so many even remotely technical death metal bands, especially in America, that have gotten way too much credit for being good musicians but meh songwriters where there's really good songwriting on this one. Yeah. Awesome. I'm going to slip one in here because

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I forgot to write it down.

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And it is alphabetically correct at this point.

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The new Psy album

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that I cannot remember.

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Matt, do you remember the album there?

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Air to Despair.

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Yeah, Air to Despair.

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I knew it rhymed.

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I listened to that today.

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This is a band that is a very technically good band,

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but they are really avant-garde,

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and sometimes they are just all over the fucking place.

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With the good housekeeping album cover?

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And I like this album. I haven't listened yet. With a question mark at the end there. I'm Ron Burgundy? Yes. I like this album. It's like Jethro Tone made a black metal album. An Avant Black album. There's a lot of flute. Well, that would definitely be them then doing something like that. Yeah.

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And there's like a three-part piece in the middle that's just stupid. I forget the name of it now because I don't have it in front of me. But musically, it is still a very interesting album, but it is a – it's work. So if – I think I've been listening to Psy since – is it Scenes from Hell, maybe? Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's – from that point on,

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I would say it's typical scythe.

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Which I mean.

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You summed it up well George.

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It's kind of all over the place.

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You know.

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Which I do appreciate.

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Yeah.

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It's like.

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It's controlled chaos.

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It's all over the place.

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But it's still works.

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It's not.

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It's still a song.

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You know.

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It's not just like.

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So avant-garde that you don't even know what it is.

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But.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, if you're into that sort of thing, check it out. Our last new release, the new Sylvain album, Adams Aligned Coming Undone. This is the third album of, God, I don't even know what to label it. Not that I like to label things, but I do actually like to label things. It's a Norwegian atmospheric blackish metal. It's kind of like what Mirkoor used to be like. But a lot heavier, though. Yeah. Don't you think? Yeah. In fact, I think she pretty

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dates, Mirkor maybe? I think so. Yeah. So if, you know, Jay, I'm looking at you. You might like this. Actually, yeah, Jay, I think you would like this. I'll be honest. I thought it was good. I liked it. Yeah. Mirkor, who also has an EP coming out, by the way. It's two songs. I was like, ooh, EP, two songs. Never mind. I can't be bothered to get out of bed for two songs. I'm sorry. What if it's like 40 minutes long? Yeah, I was going to say The New Dead Can Dance is two songs, but they're both 15 minutes long.

02:49:45.420 --> 02:50:15.400
I understand corrected but they weren't like it wasn't 40 minutes it was you know like four minutes I'll still listen to it but I'm not going to get excited all right all right wait wait wait wait no let's not I I have a question um I didn't listen to your last couple episodes so I don't know but have y'all talked about the new bearing teeth album no okay I listen to it I this week it comes out next week or it came out yesterday no it's out I think it came out yesterday okay

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They're a Texas ostensibly death metal band that channels Gorguts, a lot of sort of angular progressive. Those descriptors don't do anything. It's weird and it's noisy, but I would be remiss if I didn't speak up and say everybody should listen to that album. As someone who tries to ape Luke LeMay's guitar playing a lot, I think that the Gorguts stuff that they do,

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sounds like them and not like they're just copying Gorgats, which it's not like there's a whole trend of copying Gorgats or anything. But I found out about them because they're on Translation Lost, the same label that put out the new Un album and lots of good stuff. And I've since made friends with some of those dudes. And regardless of whether or not I actually get along with them and I do, that album fucking rips.

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And I feel like it should get more attention in the underground. Because, again, going back to the fact that, like, I'm glad death metal at all is getting attention. But this is so different from the kind of primitive death metal that is kind of hot right now. And it's it's it is technical in the way that Gore Guts is without sounding wanky. You know what I mean? Like there's there's there's flavor, there's atmosphere and there's just weird shit that happens.

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weird and unsettling you absolutely got to check out that Baring Teeth record man it's it's super

02:51:50.980 --> 02:52:15.380
fucking good yeah I had that on my Bandcamp wish list uh I kept waiting for it to come out I you know I heard like a song or two and I was I was impressed with that I threw it on my new release list my playlist yesterday kind of nonchalantly and um as I listened to it I thought like it was really good um yeah it's got a lot of good parts one other new release that I meant to add uh

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I mentioned it earlier the new deceased album

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just came out

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and it is also very good

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ghostly white

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yes thank you I didn't have it written down

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so I couldn't remember the album done

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but yeah definitely check that out

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they're going to be at

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decibel philly right

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yeah that sounds right

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they're not in LA so I think they have to be there

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yeah

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that's why they came up earlier

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because I mentioned them yeah

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All right. Now we can move on to Skullcrushers. This week, this episode rather, I will be getting slaughtered over questions about Queen. I went to see Bohemian Rhapsody last weekend, and so now I think I know everything about Queen. But yeah, it was a good movie.

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I mean, I wanted to say, you know, I've seen some people saying that they were like, eh, you know, they left stuff out, they did stuff wrong. On the whole, I mean, I read the Freddie Mercury book, and it was good. And I felt like, you know, obviously you make a movie, you got to cut some corners and whatnot. But it was an entertaining movie. It was good. I understand why they ended the movie where they did.

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because it ends the movie on a high note as opposed to where it ultimately would go with Freddie's death.

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That was the last show he played was that high note, by the way. He didn't play after that.

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Yeah, but they did make more music.

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I thought it would be more dramatic, interesting to see the sessions for Innuendo where Freddie was just half-fucking-dressed.

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And putting in this amazing performance. I mean, Innuendo is one of my favorite Queen albums. It's ridiculously good. And I thought that would have been interesting for people to see. So if you're listening, our audience, and you just heard George say that, just come back to the next episode. We'll bring it back. Don't worry about it. The hell are you talking about? Innuendo went out the other. In your endo?

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I know that was a worker called innuendo and out the other. I'll look it up. But I get it. You know, you don't want to leave everybody on a down note. So it was a good movie. All right. So hit me. It was Kevin. Who's first? Matt. All right. Deep breath. Here you go, George. Whom associated with Queen have I seen live?

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Like a band member? A band member or somebody who

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has played with Queen before. Oh.

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And it's not Adam Lambert. Oh, thank you.

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Wait, what was the question? Paul Rogers? Yes.

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Oh, there you go.

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Another one about myself. Of course.

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What song got me interested in Queen?

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And I'll tell you this

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When I heard it

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It was not performed by Queen

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But it was a Queen song

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Stone Cold Crazy

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And this was

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Like

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Didn't they win a Grammy off that?

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Probably

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It was a B-side to enter Sandman

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That's the best

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That Grammys can do

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So it was Stone Cold Crazy

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Yes

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Yay!

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Alright

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I'm sure this is on everybody's list

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So I apologize

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What was Queen called before they were Queen? Smile. Yep. I know that from the movie. Nice. What 1980 film did they do the soundtrack for? Flash Gordon. God, George. And then my last question. The video for Radio Gaga features footage from what 1927 film? By Fritz Long? Fritz Lang. Lang, sorry. Sorry.

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I was like I jumped listen to me man I'm like douchebag I do not know that one Metropolis I was gonna guess that god damn I should have gone with it wait did anybody ask you about what excellent 1990s television show did they do the theme song for oh shit you don't actually oh yes wait this is like this is the only thing I actually know about Queen

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That's remotely interesting. 90s television show? I didn't watch TV in the 90s. I have a hint for you. And it has to do with the sort of blood that is inside you. It could be from Kings. Oh, because they did the Highlander TV series? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know. See, I never watched the TV show, just the movie. What? Oh, you missed out on a thing. I didn't watch TV in the 90s.

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I didn't say you missed anything good I just said it happened yeah George was Amish for a while in the 90s yeah and I was poor in the 90s well I was too but that shit came on like an ABC or UPN or whatever that's right they didn't have to pay for that I didn't own a TV in the 90s oh oh are we trying to outpour each other George okay okay it reminds me of the scene in Deadpool where they're doing that and she's like well when I was a kid you guys saw Deadpool right yeah and they tried outpouring

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each other and she says well when i was a kid um we we slept in an old a box from an old refrigerator and he goes you had a refrigerator or something like that maybe it was dishwasher i don't know but anyway yeah anyway that that song is it's such an it's not a good song if you actually sit down and listen to it but it stands out in my mind because i i just remember thinking that queen was a heavy metal band when i was a kid because i was like

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That riff is fucking banging. And then I heard... Which song was it? Princess of the Universe. Princess of the Universe, yeah. I fucking love that song. That's a good song. There's a bunch of good songs on that record. It's good. But it's not really a song, I guess what I'm saying. There's a bunch of cool riffs. There's not really a chorus or a verse. It's just some ideas and they're like, yeah, shit, we sold this. We need something while we're driving the car or whatever it was. Also, who wants to live forever on that movie? Yeah. Yeah. And Kurgan's theme.

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The Prize. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the one. Yeah. All right. All right. You're starting to get the local airplane signals again. I'm good. All right. I'm clear. Okay. You got some background noise going. You're picking up, Matt, you're picking up an airplane. Yeah, I think my fan on my computer is going. I mean, I'm really, I'm out of options here. No, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm not. Mute button.

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It does sound like a fan though, you're right. It's a soup can was what's going to be next. It's got a string that runs all the way to George. All right, George, you ready? Yep. All right. I'll start you off with an easy one only because I asked you about this a while back. What Queen song has often been described as the first thrash metal song before thrash metal was ever invented?

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me this? I did.

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I would still go with Stone Cold Crazy.

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You are correct. That is the song that all those thrash bands point to.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Originally Queen was not going to release Another One Bites of Dust as a single.

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Do you know the reason why they changed her mind and released it?

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Oh, actually, I do.

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God, where did I hear that? It wasn't in the movie.

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Michael Jackson told them to do it. Yeah, he heard it backstage and said they would be crazy if they didn't release it. Yeah. Which, by the way, can you, when the game came out, even though there's a lot of stuff Queens famous for, you couldn't go anywhere without hearing something off that record for like a year. Another One Bites the Dust was the first Queens song I heard. Yeah. That record was big. All right, here we go, George. Star Wars. Which song by the band makes reference to Star Wars?

03:01:09.619 --> 03:01:10.020
No.

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Yes, it is.

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What was that?

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Well, that song mentions it.

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That's not the song I'm thinking of.

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Well, then there's another one because Death on Two Legs.

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He talks about it.

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I never liked Star Wars.

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I thought that was Bicycle Race.

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Nope.

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You sure?

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Positive.

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Google that shit.

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I did.

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But whatever.

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Wait, maybe I'm wrong.

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You're the big queen fan here, so. He's kind of just the big queen. I'm just a big queen. Thank you, Will. I'm glad you picked up on me for me saying that. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, you would be. Let's fill this dead air with, we are the champions. No, actually, George is not the champion. He's wrong. I am fucking wrong.

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Abreia Tri

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Okay, let's do my next question. You can tell me how I'm wrong. Before Under Pressure came out, there was another version of the song, a precursor. Do you know the working title or the song that Under Pressure came from? Nope. It's not Ice Ice Baby, right? Ice Ice Baby. If you remember, Jay, it was when he redid it, it was Dun Dun Dun.

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Dun Dun Dun. Did you guys ever see that? I did see that, yeah. It's literally unbelievably embarrassing. Very, very different. Yeah. I'm just too afraid to answer your questions now, John. All right, fine. No, I don't know. I didn't know it either until the other day. Apparently, there was a working titled song called Feel Like, where that's where it first developed musically, but the lyrics were done with the collaboration, so. I did learn that Bowie wasn't originally intended

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to be on that and he just happened to

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come by the studio while they were working on it and so they

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That's actually

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that's not no

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No? No I actually read this

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he was apparently singing on another song

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and that's how they ended up deciding

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to work on something

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Jesus Christ I don't know anything

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Wait was that in the movie that you saw that

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George? No I

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Because it was in the movie then I'd say yeah

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you got tricked

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No I heard it somewhere

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So supposedly some song title he was supposed to sing backing vocals on when he was in the studio and that's how they ended up working on Under Pressure. Yeah, I heard that he was like in the studio working on something else. Yeah, it was with them. Maybe with them. Okay. Yeah. He apparently reworked the baseline or something and they can't decide who takes credit for it. It's gone back and forth for years and now it's a moot point who gives a shit. So, right.

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They can fight about it up in heaven. Yeah. All right. All right. You done? I'm done. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I was going to throw something out there real quick. And that was that there was this tribute concert after he died. And all these big names came and did. It wasn't that long after he died. It was probably an AIDS benefit and stuff. But we are the champions when they got to that. The person who came out and sang it was Liza Minnelli.

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And all of what motivated Freddie Mercury came into focus for me. Because it was such a Liza Minnelli song. I didn't really realize that. And I'm not picking on, I'm not making fun of his, you know, sexual proclivities or whatever you want to say. I just mean, I was like, totally, Freddie Mercury. He was gay. You can just say that. Yeah, but I mean, I'm not like making fun of. Sexual proclivities. Which actually sounded more negative than I meant it to.

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company of people in a sexual and intimate manner. I actually made it sound worse than I meant to. You know, I heard that in Malaysia, they didn't want to show the movie unless they cut out like 28 minutes of the movie. Like everything about being gay. I was like, well, what's the point of watching the movie at that point? Yeah. And then all I meant to say was, and she's like this gay icon. Which means our podcast has no chance ever being shown in Indonesia. 28 minutes? George, what was the movie? Like 32 minutes?

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It's just an intro and then the credits. Yeah. Was the other dude, was one of the other guys from Queen Gay too? Nope. I heard that. Not that I know. I was told once that somebody was, that Roger Dean, that's his name. Roger Taylor. Roger Taylor, thank you. Not the artist. Yeah, I think he was pretty, he was like one of the, he was one of the hound dogs of the band. Fair enough. Okay.

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Three questions. Three questions. What is Freddie Mercury's birth name? You know, I always forget how to pronounce it. It's like Farouk. Farouk. Barsula? Is that what it is? Yeah, it's Farouk Bulsara. Bulsara. I didn't get a little red letters in the wrong word. Where is he from? Zanzibar.

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What is Zanzibar? It's like off the coast of Africa, isn't it? Which coast? East coast. The African coast. It's not called Zanzibar anymore, though. It's called something else that I don't remember. Actually, it is still called Zanzibar. Oh, is it really? I thought it changed names like a lot of African countries do. Yeah, you're smarted yourself. It was never a country, though. Right, right. It's like a... Now it's part of... It's right off the coast of Dar es Salaam.

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Tanzania. Tanzania, yeah. There's an island off the coast of Tanzania now. Where did he move to after Zanzibar? This is the geography portion of the quiz, by the way. London, I'm guessing? India. And then to... Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. So at what age did he move? I'm curious to know. I really wonder. Was he... I have no idea. Okay. Because I was just wondering how westernized he had to become.

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So to speak, because you saw none of that in his speech or anything. Yeah, it was in the book, but it's been like a year or two since I read it. So. Yeah, fair enough. So clearly I'm struggling to find trivia questions about Queen, by the way. You're doing great. Yeah. This is sort of mentioned before, but what band did Roger Taylor and Brian May playing before Queen? Smile. That's right. You kind of mentioned it before. And then who's the current vocalist for Queen? Adam Lambert. That's all I got.

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I'd say George is doing better on this than almost any of the other ones any of us have done. I'm surprised actually I didn't think I thought I was going to crash and burn. All right George. Time to crash and burn. Where how did Brian May acquire if that's the word for it that his very unique guitar. He made it with his father. Okay and then for extra credit what did he make it out of. The mantle a 200 year old mantle.

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Well done, sir. Yep. You got it. The records, The Day at the Races and The Night at the Opera, where those titles were actually pulled from another pop culture thing. The Mox Brothers. Well done, sir. Good man. I think my last one will be the hardest. I was going to ask you a Highlander question, but I knew there was no way you wouldn't know all that shit. Yeah. I've seen that a million times. The movie, not the TV show. I'm sorry.

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So here's an interesting here's here's my last one and might be one of the harder ones what one of Queen's records is the biggest selling record in the UK of all time an album or a single an album and it's not like the biggest line record in the world or anything but in in England more copies of this record have been sold than any other record and it's a Queen record a night at the opera no sir I'll give you two guesses you're probably kicking

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yourself when I tell you because it's it's kind of

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um

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made in heaven

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yeah sorry

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I say that just because I noticed

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that it was like that one sold really well

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um

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you're going more obscure than you need to

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news of the world

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sorry no no okay I don't fucking know

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it's kind of boring

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greatest hits queen's greatest hits

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more copies than any other album

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that's cheating

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It is a little bit, but it's like the Eagles' greatest hits was the number one selling record in America. But also very interesting. I had an interview with Brian May on NPR just this week on Terry Gross' show or whatever. He was talking about how they didn't come to America for years and years and years after they were popular. And that was because people in America just forgot about them, even though they were selling out football stadiums everywhere else in the world.

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In America, nobody gave a shit about Queen anymore. I can remember when they played Wembley, and I was like, that's weird. Queen can still sell at Wembley. That's criminal. And so what was it? By the way, they had a... So here's your last trivia question. I didn't see this one coming. This is straight from Brian May's lips. They had a renaissance in America, but it was caused by something very specific. Can you guess what it was? Freddie's death? No. Oh, can I answer that?

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to that? It was right before Freddie died. Oh, with a live aid. No, it wasn't anything that Queen themselves did. Is it a movie? It is a movie. Oh, Wayne's World. Yeah. Wayne's World rehashed the interest in America. He was dead by then. He'd seen it before it came out, though.

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And he got to watch it and he loved it. He thought it was hilarious

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and wonderful and everything. But then he did die before the movie came out.

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Okay.

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So you could say actually though,

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Jojo is probably a mix between his death and that movie then.

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Or that movie killed him.

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Jesus.

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That's funny because Mike Myers was in the movie

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and I did not recognize him for a while because he was so made up.

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But then his like accent came through.

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He plays some record label guy in Rhapsody. A real douchebag. That's kind of awesome that he's in it, though. Yeah. That's cool. Sorry that I jumped in with my trivia. I thought everything was I'd gone to pee, and then I was like, yeah, they're probably done. No, no, it's fine. That's a good question, too. Can I ask two more since everyone else has questions? Certainly. I do shit on the fly. Are you ready for this?

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Probably not, but go ahead. Was that one of the questions? Who designed the queen logo? That was Freddie. He was an art school student. And what was it made out of that made it connected to the band? Their signs. What do you call those? Zodiac signs. Yep. Where was the video for We Will Rock You filmed?

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This is so dumb. It's so funny to me. You know, I don't know. Don't know. Roger's Backyard. I did see that somewhere. I didn't know that. I was just looking shit up while you guys were talking because I definitely don't know anything about Queen. The thing about the Highlander was the only thing I could offer. Yeah, yeah. That's where they crossed a lot of paths for young men in the 80s. I think that Queen, I think the thing that's interesting to me about that band,

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I didn't give a fuck about them growing up. And I don't necessarily love the songs, but the older I've gotten and the more I've grown as a musician, the more I've realized that's God-level status of songwriting and musicianship. As a kid, you hear, oh, Freddie Mercury composed the vocal parts. Well, fucking great. And then when you start realizing how intense that is, you're like, oh my God, a human did this on purpose? And then just told the record label that's how it was going to be? That's so sick.

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Yeah, and I share almost an exact worldview with you about them. I'm not a huge fan or anything, but I recognize them as massive talents. And his voice was superlative. That guy had a range and control over that thing. Holy cow, could he sing.

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The Mike Myers scene, well, there's several of them, but it's all in his office. And it's about Bohemian Rhapsody.

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And they're like, you know, here's, this is going to be the single. And he's like, no way. This is a single. This is like six minutes long. We can't do this. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And Freddie was like, fuck you. This is what we're doing or we're walking. And they walked. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. They, they, they took it somewhere else. If I recall from the book, I believe their, uh, their next record label had to like go to court and get them out of their contract so that they could do it. But in the movie, they just walked away.

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said fuck you and left all right well let's get into the top 10 shit show because this is going to be brutal

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Based on my having seen this movie, I was like, let's do our top 10 hard rock bands from the 70s. No metal bands. Just, you know, like no, no, no soft rock Beatles or Stones. No Judas Priest or Black Sabbath. Hard rock. And I went with 10 because there's just so many fucking bands to choose from. Ben, have you like jotted anything down? Do you want to participate in this? Yeah, fuck yeah. All right. That's the spirit. I can multitask.

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I can drink and listen and Google.

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So what we do is we start with, we'll start with number 10 and we'll go around the room and everybody will give their number 10 and we work our way down to number one. And as the guest, we start with you. So what would be your number 10 album from this list?

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Oh, wait, it's an album. I only put band.

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Sorry, not band. Sorry.

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Okay, good. Because my research was not that specific. Also, it turns out I can't count. I did nine.

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But nine is almost ten, so I can say one of them twice. But anyway, my, we'll call it number ten, Saxon. Ooh, yeah. That's a good one. All right. I love those early records, too. They're great. Saxon's one of those bands that I don't normally reach for. I'm not, like, sitting around pining for them, and then when I hear them, I'm like, yes! On the first Chemist tour, we did a show in Eugene, Oregon.

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which is where Mike Scheid lives. And he played with us. But his son, who sings for a very old school, like new wave of British heavy metal kind of band, they opened the show and they sounded like Saxon. And we played this. It was like a coffee shop that had a stage, basically. And they were so fucking cool. And they were like 17. I don't know how any of them even knew anything about bands like that. But they were all wearing way too much leather.

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And Mike's son had a sick falsetto. Like it was, it didn't blow my mind because it's his kid, but also it blew my mind because, you know, again, when I was 17, I fucking playing new metal and had hair in my eyes barely and had like a terrible chin strap beard. And this kid was wearing a leather vest and leather gauntlets and just hitting like the highest note, like the glasses I thought were going to explode. Nice. Saxons of mine.

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All right. Matt. All right. My disclaimer is that I could be teetering one way or the other. And so I do have some alternate choices. But my number 10 is Queen. Hey. I still love you. John. All right. My number 10. Hailing from Canada. No, it's not that Canadian band you're thinking of. What about the Cribble?

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But there's three of them.

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Tramp. Wow.

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Can I tell you something, John? I just read

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that Sam Dunn is going to do a documentary

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about Tramp. No.

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When will he just stop?

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Well, he's got to get through the rest of Canada first.

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I guess.

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Not that I want him to stop, but...

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Well, remember, he's got a ZZ Top one.

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Right.

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Yeah, I know.

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What? Wait.

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What? Hold on. Stop this list.

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Oh, we just said the chemist's trigger word.

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Oh my god yes please thank you I just needed to be I just needed to have you all hear my erection hey we heard it my friend you know I just my own little not claim to fame but I actually ran into Sam Dunn at a show here and I said well I asked him what are you doing here in San Francisco and he's like oh we're doing a ZZ Top documentary he said they opened up the vaults for us now that was a while ago so I'm thinking it must be

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And they were like, Sam Dunstead and Winnabit from Movie Bones? No. I'm excited about it. It was at Preakness in Baltimore a while back. Oh, you really did? No, I literally ran into Dusty and Billy. Nice. They were in the trailer next to my friend's Charm City Devils, who were also playing Preakness. And we were standing outside naked.

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came out. And I was taking pictures for the band. And so I'm like, I lift my camera. And as soon as I lift my camera, there's like, tap on my shoulder. No pictures. Sorry, sorry, sorry. They're weird like that. That's cool. I mean, they were backstage and like, you know, just hanging out. They're weird like that. Trust me. There's a whole weird thing that happens. Well, there's a thing about taking pictures backstage. And I learned it that day. God damn it. They're weird like that. George, just let it go.

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All right, I'll let it go. Sorry, I'm just joking. I'll fuck on you. Willem. My caveat for this list is that you could have just asked me about my top 10 country music artist at this point. Not quite to that level, but this is way outside my wheelhouse for the best part. So my number 10 is Deep Purple. Nice. No shame there. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, you got it wrong. You were right.

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We don't know anything about this. Right. Number 10. Number 10. I do have a deep low for Deep Purple. Well, we spoke about them once and to be honest with you, I just put them on the list. Even though they weren't here before. So they displaced somebody else. And I just won't say the list. Kiss. Kiss should be on this list. Yep. All right. My number 10, Thin Lizzy. Why are they so low? What are you doing? Because it's the 70s.

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There's so much good stuff.

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All right.

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What's your number nine again?

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Well, let's be again.

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Like, I don't know how to count.

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He's going to say thin Lizzie animals.

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No, they're much higher.

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Rainbow.

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Rainbow.

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Number nine.

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There's no way one of you motherfuckers has rainbow as like one or two.

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No.

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It's way up there.

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I have it, but it's not one or two.

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It's pretty high.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I don't have a story to go with each of them.

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I just did for Saxon.

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I will say this rainbow is that if you really go back and listen to especially the second and third albums that's the prototype for the metal that came afterwards it really is dude those records are almost spilling over into heavy metal yeah all right Matt my number nine Alice Cooper yes nice Jay is restrained fury I will I will say so I will say for my list basically number

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numbers one and two are pretty close to like my life and stuff that I was really in. I kind of delved into and spent a lot of time with my numbers 10 through three are things that I mean, I could reverse the order. I mean, they're all they're all good. And I enjoy them very much. But it's just like, you know, they're all kind of in the same group for me. So I'm just saying this so you won't hate me. I don't hate you. I love you. John.

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All right. Now I'm going to do a bunch of or a few picks from San Francisco bands because that's what I grew up on. And there was a great scene in the 70s and early part of the 80s. Ah, fuck. I should have put this on here. For kids getting into hard rock and metal. But my number nine, Montrose. God damn it. I didn't even think of it, dude. I'm an idiot. I didn't even think of that. That first album is just so good. Yeah. Just for that record alone. Just for that alone.

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It's that good. Shoot, I fucked up. All right. William. Number nine, Rainbow. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Jay. I wonder if I'm going to be the only ones who have these guys, and they are a hard rock band, no matter what anybody fucking says, and some of their stuff in the 70s was balls out and kick ass. Cheap Trick. Oh, yeah. Nice pick. Good call. Good call. Yes. Love the old Cheap Trick records. Yes. My number nine.

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The Scorpions. Yeah. That's what I dropped for Kiss. Yeah. All right. Back to Ben. Number eight. I can't believe Scorpions are so low for you, but that's fine. Well, there was a reason for that. And then you can't think about 80 Scorpions when you think about 70 Scorpions. Yes. But also this number nine, not number eight. I don't know how to count.

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to eight. He was like, oh, okay. No, it's eight now. Oh, that's right. We're down to eight. Sorry. Kansas. Ooh, nice. Everybody thinks about dust in the wind, but they actually had a lot of weird, cool stuff. Also, carry on my wayward son is a banger. Anyone that disagrees can eat shit. Especially with Dave Brockie singing it. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. There is an exemplary

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I thought documentary about them that I watched a little while back and I'm sure it's the only one that you could find so you just go it was so good I was so sucked into their story and how they came about and so on and so forth nice number eight deep pebble I love your pronunciation it's deeply pebble it's deeply all right John

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I continue with my San Francisco roots. And some people would think I'm crazy, but in the 70s, he was either making great songs that were hard rock or really shitty pop songs. And I like the really cool hard rock songs. Sammy Hagar. The Red Rocker Sammy Hagar. How about Burning Hell, John? What a great song. Yeah. Yeah. It was either Red or some really shitty song about a girl I loved.

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I take the red. So dude,

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no,

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I back this wholeheartedly.

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And although it was just,

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just outside of the seventies,

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the song heavy metal.

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Yes.

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Is that song gets me so pumped and will drive me to drink whiskey fast and go to bed early.

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Like people do in a way that very few songs will.

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And it's,

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it's both on his album and it's also on the heavy metal soundtrack.

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Oh yes,

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it is.

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And when I saw just real quick,

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when I saw him on the Standing Hampton tour, all 13 years old at the Cow Palace, he opened with that song Heavy Metal. Oh, that's so sick. Yes. You know, if you, I would recommend for anybody who wants to know what's cool about him, there's a pretty good compilation called Rematch, which really covers some of the best Sammy Hagar stuff, and you can understand that he was pretty great. Which also, by the way, he wrote and originally recorded I've Done Everything About You, which was Everything For You, which was the Rick Springfield hit later on. Yeah, yeah.

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Just, you know, 13 years old and seeing him on stage, I was thinking he was like Bruce before Bruce. He would just go crazy running all around and climbing on the scaffolding. And he was always, I thought, a great singer. And so. Just an amazing guy. Yeah. And he actually can play guitar. He's actually not bad. He's all right. No superstar, but he could play. Well, I mean, you know, I think people just forgot that because of where he ended up, you know. Exactly. Well, that because he wrote, I can't shit.

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55 or whatever. Hey, that was the first song I heard by him. That's not even the first song he's ever done. I know. All the Van Hagar stuff. But it was just, you know, coming from the live album All Night Long is what sold me on him. And here I Can't Drive 55. I was like, God damn it. So, but let's talk about that. We've already talked about, but let's just look at Sammy for a minute. This is the guy who was on that first Montrose record. Yeah. Then went on to have a really pretty cool solo career and then was in Van

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one of the biggest bands in the world at the time. Yeah. And then he sold this tequila company for $150 million. Oh, it's unreal. I got all that money. And it's good tequila. Yeah. That's that's my go to is the Cabo Wawa. Wait, is it really? I've never actually had it. It's good. I like it. Yeah. I just I just don't fuck with like famous people selling me stuff. I mean, it's it's it's like 50 bucks a bottle, but it's yeah, fuck that. Like, that's a lot of money, man. Actually, though, it's very

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I had the gorge the gorge cluny uh the silver I was fine by the way I think you might have got a knockoff there

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oh no I knew I should have gotten it at target um but the rapazado was really good I was I was pleasantly surprised

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yeah it is good there's a lot of cinnamon in it tastes very cinnamon yeah yeah not as good as quesadores but

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But anyway, we'll save that for the Tequila Heads podcast.

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All right, Will.

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Number eight, Alice Cooper.

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Nice. Sweet.

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At least people are saying it.

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They're saying it at the wrong time.

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Mine is already been said and will be said more than Lizzie.

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Nice.

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My number eight is Rainbow.

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And originally it was my number nine

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and the Scorpions were number eight.

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And then I was like, wait a minute, Ronnie James Dio?

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No, no, I got to move that up above the Scorpions.

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Sorry.

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So there we are.

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All right, number seven, Ben.

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Rush?

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Yes.

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That's what I want to hear.

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One of those bands that I didn't necessarily appreciate

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when I was younger, but at this point, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fucking Rush.

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So Ben, let me ask you this.

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was the appreciation when you finally got on stage early in your career and you started playing and you realized that Geddy Lee is doing like 52 things every song when he's playing live. Is that where the appreciation came from? That's definitely part of it. Part of it too is that as a young man, not a young man, as a boy, the idea of a high-pitched voice, I always registered as feminine or inauthentic somehow. And again, because I'm fucking 15, what do you want? I don't have a complex vocabulary for music.

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Around the same time that I appreciated not only like what's going on, but that it actually sounded good to me was when I was enough of a musician to be like, oh my god, he's playing bass with his feet and his hands. How is that? There is no human that can do that. And also, why does he have washing machines behind him on stage? What is happening? I love this. And then you dug when he decided to play keyboards and Alex decided to play bass and guitar at the same time when he played the pedals.

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Dude, I can barely walk and breathe at the same time. So it's amazing the level of virtuosity in that band. Yeah. All right, Matt. What are we on, Seven? Seven. Rainbow. Cool. She's like a rainbow. My number seven, Deep Purple. I'm going to spend the most right on that so far, but... Willem.

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Number seven, Ramones. Oh! Nice! Oh, you just fucking spanked me. Mine's actually in a similar vein, but I would argue, well, no, I'm not going to argue anything about it, but a similar kind of thing. If you don't, you know, Funhouse and Raw Power and their first record, the Stooges are awesome, dude. And they were like one of the... That was great. Even though the first one actually came out in six months.

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to be fair, but yeah, I just love those records, man. They are raw power is the right name for that record. All right. My number seven kiss. Right on. Nice. Number six, Ben. Wait, I, I feel the need to talk because that's what I do. Um, am I the only one that doesn't care about kiss? Yeah. Okay. I, I, you know, I think part of it is that my

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My sister was such a huge Kish fan. I got another ripoff there with Kish. I think that she always told me growing up that they were so much more evil than they were. And then when I heard them, I was like, well, this is fine, but I feel like I've been sold something else. I will say this. If your sister thinks it's evil, it's probably not metal. Anybody's sister. It's not metal. It's hard rock.

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something is cool. You're definitely going to reject it. My brother is the reason that I got into Metallica. But only years later, I was like, my brother likes it. This shit sucks. I don't even care. And then years later, well, not even that many years later, I was like, oh my God, what the fuck? He gave me the Black album. That's fine. But then he gave me Injustice for All. And I was like, oh shit. Which is to say, what are we on? Number six. ACDC. Nice. By the way, where were we? Six.

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Six. Oh, George's. Okay. Yeah. Matt. Number six, KISS. There you go. You know, I'm surprised no one has said KISS yet at all. KISS. Well, I butchered two names, so just give me a second. All right. My number six. Haven't heard this one yet. I don't know if we will, and I would be surprised if we didn't, but they did sing a song about an amazing beast that came from the sea before Macedon was singing.

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about Beasts in the Sea. Ah. Blue Oyster Cult. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they're more than just Don't Fear the Reaper. They have so much good stuff. Even though that's a great song, by the way. It really is a good song. Well, it was better once it got more cowbell, but. You gotta have more cowbell. Yeah. Willem. Six. Bank Floyd. Hmm. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's good.

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That's what this list is all about. It's things like, God damn it. For my money, Phenomenon through Obsession was one of the great runs of hard rock records. UFO. Amazing 70s. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Fully bad. I'm even going to say them all. Phenomenon, Force It, No Heavy Petting, Lights Out and Obsession, and then the live one. Jesus, man. There's like no dead space there for like five records. Yeah, that didn't even occur to me.

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All right. Number six, deep purple. Okay. All right. I respect and love you all. I thought that would be higher, but the top five is the top five, man. It is. I know. It's hard. All right, Ben. Five. Deep purple. One more. It's one more. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

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All right, my number five. I don't know if this is a departure or not from the group, but Leonard Skinner. No, it's not a departure. All the ones before the plane crash are great rock records. I'm sure people are sick of hearing Freebird. I'm not one of those people, but I just really love their catalog. I just love some southern rock. I used to hold them at arm's length when I lived in Missouri, but then one day I bought probably the first record and I was just like, oh, a guitar playing on them? Everything.

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I said, excuse me. I didn't know Skinner was an option. I didn't know Southern Rock was an option. I feel like I should change my whole list, but it's fine. But don't you, aren't you short a band? Yeah, there you go. Oh, I was, but I fixed it. Oh, okay. I think, or maybe I didn't. But I have mad respect for that. Yeah, I did. I did. Somehow, I don't know who I added. Oh, I do know who I added. ACDC is who I added. Gotcha.

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I respect the fact that Skyny wrote a song about their label and trashed them. Good. Damn. I fucking I love Skyny. Yeah. Yeah. All right. My number five ACDC. Nice. Well, cool. Cool talk. I was tuning my daughter's frozen guitar. Number five Led Zeppelin.

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Wow.

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My number one through four is a little bit more serious.

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Everything everything like below that is like.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm recognizing these bands from the 70s and I've listened to them and I'm ranking them sort of in order of importance to me.

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Okay.

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I would say I would say Led Zeppelin's kind of serious.

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Kind of.

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I didn't.

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I kind of did mine as importance to me, too.

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah, so Led Zepp was not important to me growing up. Fair enough. Jay? Rainbow. There it is. I would have liked to have gotten it a little higher because of the... Yeah. Number five, Alice Cooper. Actually, let me go back and just say Dio Rainbow. No, Dylan Turner? No, I like Dylan Turner. Wait, is there any other version that we ever acknowledge?

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I do like straight between the eyes it's just um I've never been able to stand

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grandpa on its voice I just don't like him how he sings anyway sorry all right band number four I missed

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yours George because I talked over it there's Alice Cooper um even though they only released a few albums

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then I'm still gonna go with Motorhead yes very nice that's fair all right Matt uh number four rush

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There we go. There's two. Nice. Is there only two? No. Two people so far have said Rush. Okay. Yeah. Number four. Rainbow. See, John and I are exactly as smart as each other sometimes. Well, number four. This is where we're going to get serious. Van Halen. There you go. And only Daily Roth Van Halen.

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of course there is no other i'll tell you right now they didn't make my list because i really like the records that came on the 80s more and i'm talking about like starting from especially like women and children through diver down those are probably my three favorites as much as classic as the first one is i like those three all right well what's your number four oh sorry that's a good question uh acdc just listen if only because not only if

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because the powerage which is one of my favorite records by them powerage is awesome so good and that's a 70s record and and everything else they did with barn is awesome that's with you i would if i had to give up one of the singers i'd give up my number four i thought this was actually going to be top three but it uh it got pushed down one and that would be queen yeah the reason for the season here the reason yeah i was like that's got to be like top three no no top four

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All right, band three. This might be a surprise. I don't know. Scorpions. The Scorpions. Nice. Klaus Mein. Dude, fucking Entrance. That's it. That is one of those albums that just a band can put that out and then they can turn into the 80s Scorpions, which those are cool guitar solos. That's what I'll say. But 70s Scorpions, I love so much. Oh, yeah.

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And that's all I got to say about that. That's all you got to say about that. All right, Matt. Number three, Pink Floyd. That's two. Number three, Van Halen. My number three, if you asked me in the 70s what my number one would be, it would have been this one. But I'm going this by Later Day Will. My number three, Kiss.

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You would ask me in the 70s, Kiss would be number one hands down by far. I never would have listened to any other music. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Alice Cooper. Wow. Okay. That makes sense. You were so far up right now. I mean, now I'm screwed. My number three is Rush. Nice. There's three. Okay. Ben. Number two.

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is going to be surprised by this. Thin Lizzy. That's one of those chemist bands. Yeah. You know, it's worth pointing out that I didn't know Thin Lizzy that well until we started chemist. Like I knew some of their songs, but because my dad wasn't a huge fan of anything they did, I didn't hear them growing up. And then Zach is why I got into Thin Lizzy. And I was like, oh, my God.

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I missed out on all of this good stuff. Do you have a favorite record by then? No. It's one of those things that if you ask me now, give me five minutes and I'll change my mind. I'll say Black Rose right now. Judgment came out in the 80s. Not that that changes. I'm not breaking any rules. I thought you asked me what my favorite album is. Yes, yes. No, he was. God damn it. What kind of crap am I in?

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I don't even know what year it is anymore. I apologize. I don't know why I just did that. Well, the question had nothing to do with the list. How about that? I was just like, your whole life has been a lie up till this moment. I'm sorry. I don't know where I'm coming from. But yeah, but I just I actually like them a lot. So I like to hear what people's favorites are. All right, Matt. My number two is The Doors. Oh.

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Yeah.

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But they're kind of 60s, though. I looked at this.

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So is Pink Flight.

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My number one is even more on the cusp.

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Well, a couple of their good records count.

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Touch me, babe.

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And L.A. Women is really a crazy, weird, cool record, man, for sure.

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I mean, I like all of them.

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Yeah, me too. I'm a big Doors fan.

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I'm a huge Doors fan.

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Something spooky about them, man.

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Yeah, they're in the 60s, though.

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All right, John.

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I'm surprised this has only been named once, and it was when Will wasn't serious.

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These guys are just the epitomized, just fucking big, badass hard rock.

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Led Zeppelin.

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I mean, yeah, I'm sick of all the songs here on the radio, but you dig deeper into their catalog, and they have some of the best hard rock songs ever.

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Okay.

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So well, my number two motorhead

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I didn't, you know, I have to tell you, I didn't, which ones came out in the 70s?

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Was it overkill out in the 70s?

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Yeah, isn't it 79?

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I think it's 79

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And I didn't, wouldn't have heard it at that time

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But that must have blown people's heads off, dude

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I'm sure I would have been like, this is the heaviest fucking thing I've ever heard

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They really were

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I mean, motorhead is the root of what came after for that stuff

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All right. You guys might be surprised. This is my number two. Led Zeppelin. I am surprised. Yeah, I thought that would have been one. I thought it would have been one for me, but it's not. It's my number two. Led Zeppelin. This is what I'm talking about. Yes. All right. Now we're getting super serious. We're number ones. Now feelings are going to get hurt. Yeah. All right, Ben, hurt us.

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That's a thing I wasn't expecting to be told. Thank you. Hurt me. Unsurprisingly. Were you ever a drive time DJ? Why are you not right now? In a really, really small and not very popular market. Success is success. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Fair enough.

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on this one, because normally I would say one of two bands, ZZ Top or Jethro Tull, but I didn't think they qualified as hard rock per se. I think ZZ Top. ZZ Top was tall. I mean, you know, like, Tull's awesome and all, but I wouldn't call him hard rock. There are riffs on that that will make today's stoner metal, doom metal, whatever bands feel impotent. But there's flute also.

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So, you know, that goes one of two ways. ZZ Top. Just ask the Grammys in 1990. Oh, right now, Lars Ulrich is crying just because he knows that you said that. He's always good because he's a fucking pussy. I think I think Tres Ombres is the album of any style ever. I don't know that there's anything that has connected with me the way that that album has. But the reason I say it's not necessarily hard rock, like it's bluesy rock.

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I also do think the guitar tone on that album again would make most doom metal bands feel weak and small. But given that those might be contestable. Oh no, like without a doubt ZZ Top would be my choice. ZZ Top is my favorite. But given that those might be contestable in terms of being hard rock, what I would say for definitively hard rock from the 70s, my number one is

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Van Halen.

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Because that first album changed the way guitar playing happened.

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And the 80s shred all of it, shred movement, and even just like shredding in actual bands.

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Like, you know, when you listen to the guitar playing in Megadeth, for instance, Marty Frieden would have never been that were it not for Eddie Van Halen.

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And I love Van Halen for so many reasons. But as a guitar player, I don't know of any other player that's ever made guitar playing sound fun like he had. He's a genius. And you say all the other shred guys, and I don't even think necessarily Eddie is a shred guy, but Eddie was an experimenter, dude. Oh, absolutely. He was insane. You're right. He wasn't a shred guy in the way that there would be no Steve Vai. There'd be no Joe Cetriani without Eddie Van Halen.

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But I think the thing that a lot of people lost, most people lost after him was that sense of fun. Like a guitar solo needs to be a thing you want to hear, not a thing that's just showing you're better than everyone else. And Eddie was and still probably is better than everyone else. But if you watch him play, he's smiling. He's having a good time. He's not smiling. Well, he was. He was. Anymore, I think he's just happy that he's alive with three quarters of

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or whatever he has. Right, but the song where he wasn't smiling is still, in my opinion, his best moment ever, and that's the intro to Fair Warning when he just absolutely destroys it on the street. It's so good. It's so fucking good. I mean, that's not even counting the solo at the end. That whole record, dude. I mean, I think that's it too. It's not even just the solos, right? It's like, okay,

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When you cover a song, it's really easy to just play it straight. And when you cover the Kinks, a band that like, I'm not a huge Kinks fan. For some people, that's a big thing. But they made that song their own in part because he made the guitar laugh and scream in that song. Fuck me, man. Like, I want to change the paradigm that way. I won't. No one else ever will. But he did. Those...

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Nobody's done it since. Nobody's been able to do it in such a masterful way. I didn't expect that I had so many thoughts on Van Halen. God damn. And also being in a band with your brother, my very first band was with my brother when I was in high school. And he's not playing music with me right now. Let's put it that way. We love each other. We definitely couldn't be in a band together for 50 years or 40, 35.

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Van Halen is seriously amazing. Little Guitars, Mean Streets, a million things about Fair Warning. There's so many experimental things he did. And I would also say for covers, Dancing in the Streets, which I think is a really good cover by them. It has some weird Eddie stuff on it. He was a genius. He is a genius. What song is it where he takes the drill? He has the drill near the guitar, and he revs it up, and then he pulls it down. Pound Cake. Yep. Oh, my God. Who thinks of that? Who thinks of that? I remember reading

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about that in guitar world when I was like 13 and I got my dad's drill and he was like why are you putting that near your guitar and I was like because Van Halen did it because check this out and he was like you definitely need to aim that away from the guitar or you're going to ruin the only thing that you own that can make sound you should look into this more I'm like ah fuck you old man I know what I'm doing it still has a gouge in it from where I did it all right yeah you could have gone the anvil route and used the dildo instead

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Yeah, I could have gone the anvil route and been in the saddest documentary ever. That one or the Long Days Gone with Bobby. Oh, God. I just want to just punch him in the face the whole movie. The story just keeps getting sadder. It does. I like that every time that I've talked on this, I have

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successfully brought the food down to at least a somber place, if not a moment of painful introspection. We need a somber sound effect. It's just gentle crying in the background. Number one, huge shock. Nice.

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All those nine bands combined still could not be as good as this band is to me. They're the other Canadian three-piece band. Rush. Knew that was coming. My number one, just because they're staying in power and how I feel about them today, ACDC. Nice. My number one is what you would have thought would have been my number two, but the truth is that when I sat down and thought about it and decided that the

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Decade started. 1970, the decade started with In Rock, which is like such a riff bomb of an album. And then really goes up through, you know, I would say Burn or Stormbringer, but that's a great run of records. Deep Purple. Not a surprise there. Favorite hard rock band in the 70s. I still seek out Deep Purple bootlegs so I can hear a live show I haven't heard. Yeah. Same thing with Rainbow.

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That's super sick, man. I think that's really... I love fandom across the board, but I feel like anything Richie Blackmore has ever been associated with has not been as highly rated as it should be. Even his folk stuff? His fancy pants. Yeah, that too. Yeah, I like that stuff, actually. I'm just saying, for this conversation, also, I've heard it once, so who the fuck am I to say? No, you're right.

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You only need to hear it once. He's pound for pound. And I agree with all you just said about Eddie Van Halen. But just for like feel and innovation and all kinds of. I just there's nobody I like better than him. I think he's the greatest rock guitar player in the world. And not anymore, but he was. And what I mean is his chops are kind of gone now. And a really good guy too. That's a real stand up. See, I only have.

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One, minus that negative, just one really bad negative about him is that he was the impetus for the follow-up, which would have been Yngwie Malmsteen, who's another guy. I was just thinking that. I just want to punch him in the face. Can I tell you something? Yngwie has so worshipped Richie that I honestly think that's why Yngwie's an asshole. I think he was like, I'm also going to be an asshole. Because Richie is a famous prick. Treats everyone he's ever worked with.

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They're garbage. Did you ever hear that story Lemmy told about? I think it's in the Lemmy documentary. He's talking about one of the greatest practical jokes he ever saw. He said, I want to believe it's true. I do believe it's true because Richie Blackmore would do this. Richie Blackmore drugged their head roadie or their manager or something. They put him in a car, took all his clothes and passported everything away and put the car on a ferry to Norway.

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Jesus Christ.

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That was like Richie Blackmore's idea of a good time.

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That's evil.

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Doesn't Ian Gillan to this day still want to kill him?

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Yeah.

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He's still on record saying if I ever see him, I'll kill him.

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Yeah.

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Actually, no.

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They're kind of talking now, but there'll be no reunion.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, the same way that Axel and Slash didn't talk for decades.

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And when the money is big enough, you will figure out how to get past it.

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Yeah.

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With the mild exception that the ages are pretty advanced in Deep Purple's realm now. I don't think any of them are all in their 70s at this point. Pretty much, yeah. All right, George. My number one. I honestly thought Led Zeppelin was going to be my number one. And then I started thinking about it and I was like, nope. Nope, it's got to be ACDC. Yeah, that's a good call. A fine call. I just, just like an hour before the episode,

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I started reading a new book, uh, bond the last highway. Awesome. So just reading the intro to the book, I'm like, Oh, is this going to be some shit here? He's a lot of smack talking about like the, the, the, the information that's out there about bond. And this is like the deep scoop of like, this is the real story about bond and how he died. Who wrote it? Is it just a journalist or is it, uh, it's a guy who's done several other ACDC books, apparently.

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I don't know his name off the top of my head. I heard about it. It came out somewhat recently. And I was like, I had good reviews and all. So I thought I'd give it a shot. You know, we were, this has been mentioned about some other bands and they're amazing in this realm of their careers. But I'll get to the point. But first of all, when they first came to London and they did a tour of England, their very first tour, people thought they were a punk band because of the sheer

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which is me getting up to the point scene back when angus was young and they were all young they were insane dude i mean especially him obviously the man did not stand still i don't know how he played guitar like that they were like a force of nature and they had great songs according to the uh the this intro this book the the young family is extremely private and they're they're like like uh

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like the British royalty in terms of their like lockdown of everything that's said about them and stuff. And, and so he's basically insinuating that everything we know about how Bonskot died is wrong. And that like half of the songs on back in black were written by bond, but he wasn't credited, blah, blah, blah. So I don't know. It all, it's almost so. Uh, venomous at the beginning that I'm questioning.

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How good this might actually be or how true it might be? I think they might be more cutthroat than you expect. Well, after their treatment of Brian Johnson, I'm like, yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. Incidentally, who is back in the band? Yeah, they're back together. Are they really? Yeah, he got his ears fixed, right? Or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what worked for him, but they're making a record in Canada together right now. Yeah. He found out that Axl Rose was going to be him and he was like, fuck this. I'll go dead.

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I don't care. I'm going to be in the last scene in this movie. Screw that. Anyway. No, that's awesome, dude. And I mean, and they were just, they had attitude, you know, and, and how cool is that? One minute and 30 seconds or two minutes of bagpipes. And it's a long way to the top. If you want to rock and roll. That's just one little thing, but I'm just saying that came on in the car the other day. And I was just like, I turned it up so loud. It sounded amazing.

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But yeah, they're an amazing band. Yeah, they are rock and roll to me. Yeah, I'll buy that. Reasonable. Yeah. All right, let's move on to the final segment. What are we listening to lately?

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Ben, is there anything you've been listening to lately you'd like to tell us about? Yeah. Yeah. Have y'all heard this Glacial Tomb album? It's pretty good. Now, lately, so the on-album sentiment, I've been a big fan of that band for years, and the new album is great. I saw them in Denver when they met up with us.

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And I think that with slow doom metal, it's, well, that seems redundant, but like funeral paced doom metal, it's easy for bands to kind of struggle with that pacing live and on absolutely killed it. And it, it reminded me just how much I love that album because they sound like that album. Listening to lately, the newest Anacon, New York City black metal, absolutely phenomenal. I've said Barry,

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Languish. It's an Arizona sort of death grind crust thing. Sean, the bass player for Gate Creeper, fronts the band. Members of North as well. It's super intense. I feel like there's other stuff. There's big name stuff that I've probably listened to, but I don't know off the top of my head.

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But those things in particular, and then I've just, I don't know about y'all, but like, towards the end of the year when it gets into list season, I find myself going back to old stuff that I really like to really kind of gauge, you know, do I really like this newer stuff or whatever? And I was listening to some of my favorite releases from previous years, and Woe's Hope Attrition is one of my favorite American Black Metal albums.

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Definitely, in the last couple years, probably ever. That band is fucking phenomenal. And I've just been listening to that one a lot again because I think it holds up and the sociopolitical context from which it emerged is still particularly salient. And so, you know, songs that are, you know, anti-white power, anti-fascism seem more resonant now. Plus, the riffs are fucking tight.

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So all of those things

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And I guess it's worth pointing out that

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I think this may happen more for musicians than non-musicians

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I don't know

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I'd actually be curious to hear what y'all think

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I have a hard time keeping up with what comes out

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But I listen to stuff that comes out from my area

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So I listen to a lot of Denver stuff

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And I said earlier, you know, the new A Feather and Bone

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the new Wayfair or albums that I have been listening to a lot. But also just stuff that's come out in the last couple years. Stars Vaughn, absolutely, because Blood Encantation rules. Primitive Man's Caustic, which is, I think, a kind of artistic achievement that is just, I don't even know how to talk about that album. I've written about that album. I've interviewed the band. I'm friends with the dudes, and I still don't know how to talk about what it is, because it's so, that's a moment.

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in my mind. Can I just chime in on that album? Please do. Please do. One, I love Primitive Man and they played Atlas and I missed the show because I was up in Philly for the Metal and Beer Fest. But my daughter is named after a heavy metal song from Volbeat just because I heard her name is Evelyn. You guys have all heard the story, blah, blah, blah, blah. But so my son, whose name is William, he wanted to know like, well, I need a record.

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on vinyl that has my name on it and one of the uh first songs on the primitive man

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record is my will yes yes yes so we have it on vinyl yeah so we have it on vinyl for that reason

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because my son wanted a vinyl record that he could say this is mine and has my name on it nice

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aside from the fact i love that if you haven't told the primitive man dudes that you need to because

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For such a scary band, they are the sweetest. I'll also cut this out of the interview. Don't let anyone know. They're fucking full of evil. They're the nicest dude. Ethan will be genuinely moved to know that you had that moment with your son. He fucking loves that shit. I say he loves that shit as the I don't mean to minimize it. He loves genuine human emotion, which is why he channels the darkest ones when they

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Right. Because they're so evil. Exactly. Also, in terms of what we're listening to, the other thing, and this is my... Well, there are two things that are always on my list. Doesn't matter what time of the year or what year it is. It's John Prine's self-titled album and Steely Dan's The Royal Scam. Because everyone thinks that I'm a crazy metal dude, which I guess I am.

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But I honestly think that Steely Dan is up there with ZZ Top for being the best band in the world. If we only think about the 70s. For both of them, actually. I think Can't Buy a Thrill is my favorite. Absolutely great album. All right, then. I guess it's Matt, then. Cool. I've been listening to a shitload of this band called Glacial Tomb.

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Cult Leader, their album Patient Man, Spinning the New Psy, Heir to Despair. I also had Barring Teeth, their album Transitive Surgery, Ghostly White. I found this Atmospheric Doom Band out of the UK. Actually, I think it was the UK and some members are from other parts of Europe, but they're called Clouds and the album is called Door. Yeah, they're good.

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It's called Cerulean Salvation. One band whose name I've seen all the time, I can't pronounce it for shit, but I believe they're called Swidakura. Swidakura. Swidakura and their album Simbrick Yards. I need to spend more time with it. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it is definitely interesting. I've seen them before. I've met them. They played at Jack's back when Jack's existed. And I like their metal, but this new album,

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Does it have any metal on it? It's like they pulled a, what was the British band? Fuck. The one that they do, their last album was all folk. Shit. I can't think of it. It came out last year. Anyway. I don't know the band, but I know exactly what you're saying. It's like a W. Winterfelleth. Oh, sure. Their last album was all folk.

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I didn't get all the way through this one. I stopped about halfway because I was like not feeling I mean I like folk but it wasn't what I was in the mood for. And I was like well I'm not getting any metal out of this. Right. And I was expecting kind of that folk melodic death blend which when I when I see that I think of the band El Vedi who I love. And yeah just like I was kind of waiting for that to start and it never did. And I'm going to spend more time with it but. Yeah no they're really nice guys and I love what they do.

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But I haven't gotten through this yet. Next up would be December Noir. I like that. Autumn Kings. And then this Doom band. They're from the U.S. I'm not sure what state, but they're called Ursa. They have an album called Abyss Between the Stars. I kind of latched onto them because I think one of the guys in the band is a contributor to Decibel. And then the new Ocean album, obviously. The new Anephrons album, The Bleakness of Our Constant.

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And then, George, you talked about them, 1914, The Blind Leading the Blind. Yeah. Good stuff. And that is it for me. All right, John. All right. I'll just name basically the bands because we've already aimed a lot of these albums. But the Amensus-Oak Pantheon split, they did in the second one. It's called Gathering 2. They did one a few years ago, but they did another one. So I checked that out. The Anomaly. We mentioned Animatter, Ashes of Aries, Anephron.

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The Ocean, Sylvain, Tumult, a progmodal band from Canada called Universe Effects, albums Desolation, and I don't know, some band called Glacial Tome. Desolation, what a dumb name for an album. Yeah, exactly. I was like, oh, another band with a band called Desolation.

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My List, 1914, you guys mentioned already. On Vinyl, just been, for whatever reason, just been stuck on Iron Mania, Summer in Time on Vinyl with the kids. Horrendous Idol, love the album. They just played Atlas and been spinning the vinyl quite a bit. Kind of a local Delaware East Coast band, Wasted Theory. They have a new album out, just came out called Warlords of the New Electric. It's kind of like Stone or Doom,

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stuff. Not even doomed. Like stoner rock. The ocean. Thank you, George, for gifting me that one. You're welcome. We talked about this one, I think on the last podcast. Hyperdontia Nexus of Teeth. Hell yeah. I think somebody sent this to us. Outre, Hallowed Earth. Outre. Outre, Hallowed Earth. Kind of like in the vein of Infestus.

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Polish behemoth style blackish metal. And then this one surprised me. I didn't know it was coming out. Sick of it all. Wake of the Sleeping Dragon. I'm a huge Sick of it all fan. Way, way. I mean, I got Blood, Sweat, No Tears way back in 1987 or whatever it was when I was in high school. And then we talked about this a little bit. Wake, Misery Rites. And then Hate Eternal, Upon Desolate Sands.

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And like the other guy said, some band called Glacial Tom B.

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Which, by the way, if you know Toomold, they're Tom B. Mold on all their social media.

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Yeah, I was actually just texting Derek.

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And I just tweeted at Tom B. Mold.

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So it's funny that you say that.

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I was like, I just talked about you guys online.

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He's like cool cool cool talk is awesome though like that Tom be mold that's cool

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all right Jay

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Glacial tune

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anomaly

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that John turned me on to

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the two mold EP

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which I only did just get last

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night I think maybe that was when it became

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available in any case haven't got to hear it a bunch

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of times but I also did get that

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Tom be mold

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EP half has to

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have, especially since the record has been one of my faves this year. And I'm just still stuck on the Fire Slate. Really, I'm kind of listening to a bunch of stuff to get this goddamn list hammered out for the end of the year, because this has been a brutal. It is going to be tough. Yeah, it's been a tough year. I mean, a good year, obviously, is what we're saying. Yes. Also, by the way, somebody made a very positive comment about the new World Dane record the other day.

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I put it on. I don't agree with them. It's kind of boring. I don't much care for it, which maybe is the lame thing to bring up in what you're listening to now, but I was kind of disappointed. Did you listen to it, Drew? No. Anyway, that and some total of, oh, and they're horrendous. I'm kind of come back and bug with me all of a sudden again. I'm listening to that a bunch. Cool. That wraps it up. All right. Well, you'll be glad to know I have about half as many as last time. Okay.

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So, 90.

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Let's see.

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1914, The Blind Leading the Blind, Ukrainian Black and Death.

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Abstract Void.

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I mentioned them earlier.

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The Back to Reality.

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It's that Black Synthwave album.

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It's unique.

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Alien Weaponry.

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2-T-U.

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They're like a New Zealand thrash band.

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All Father and All Will Be Desolation.

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This album has come up many times before.

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I liked their last album. I was not prepared for how much exponentially better this album was than the last one. Yeah, they knocked it out of the park, man. Knocked it out of the park. Yeah, you know, I didn't, you know, asking me to describe them before, I would have said hardcore vocals with doom metal music. But this album reminds me a hell of a lot of Cobalt.

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The riffs on this album are just fucking... But way better. Monster-sized. Monster-sized. So, wow. I just gotta say wow to that. The new Anna Farren's album, The Bleakness of Our Constant. Of course, I had to listen to a shit ton of Glacial Tomb for today. Karg, K-A-R-G. It's an Austrian black metal band and an album that I will butcher.

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and Vogel. However that's pronounced. The new master album, Vindictive Miscreant. It's their 14th album. What the? They have a new album? Yeah. They're still a band? Yeah. God damn. I always, I delete like 98% of the promos that I get. Me too. I feel like I, you all make me think I should listen to more of the emails that I get. No, I don't think you should. There really is.

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Trust me, if you want to live a happy life, no. Yeah, I mean, I've told these guys, I get like probably 15 to 20 promo albums a day. Oh, it's brutal, dude. There's just no way to listen to it all. And not, you know, spend all your time listening to music. But yeah. Does somebody's house just get spontaneously haunted there? Did you hear that? I assume it's Matt. Yeah, it's always Matt, unless it's Jay.

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Am I still here? Oh, the ghost got him. Fuck. What was that movie? Friended? Unfriended? My hand in a blender. Oof. This next one was probably the biggest surprise for me because I'd never heard of the band. They've got a couple albums. Moss Upon the Skull in Vengeful Reverence. It's a Belgian progressive death band and it's really good. Check it out. It's on Bandcamp. Next.

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The Order of Apollyon. I don't know how to say Apollyon. Mariah, third album of UK Black Death. As previously mentioned, Outre, Hollow Earth. There's a band called Prognosis and their first album, Definition, they're a UK progressive death band. It's a little more commercial sounding than most of what I listen to, but it's kind of interesting. So check that out.

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Then there's a band called, I don't know how to pronounce this, Cerox, Crox? S-E-R-O-C-S. It's a Mexican death metal band. There's their fourth album called The Phobos Dimos Suite. The Suedacra album that Matt already mentioned. And then a band called Trollheim's Grot, aligned with the true death.

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It's the third album of a Finnish black metal band. Their first two albums were like 20 years ago or something and they finally put out a third album and it crushes. And the final album I've been listening to, another callback to Ghostbusters, this is Zool with an X. What Lies Hidden, Canadian Black and Death. That's it. Nice. Not that I need to make this any longer, but I also meant to

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I mentioned that I've been listening to some advanced type stuff like the Church of Disease and also Trollfest. Oh yeah, Trollfest. I forgot about that. Right on. All right, here we are at the end of the episode. I want to thank Ben for sticking around the whole time. Five hours later. This is the first episode where we have cracked the five-hour mark. It'll probably edit down below that, but in real

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It's been just over five hours

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Huh? What? Wait, who? What?

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I'm taking a nap. I forgot

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Oh, you must have been listening to my list

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My wife just texted me and she goes

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It's been five hours. Are you ever coming downstairs?

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And I was like, yeah, baby, I think

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it's almost over. I'm sorry

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I'm having fun with my heavy metal friends

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I get that text every episode

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To be fair, my wife

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is metal as fuck and loves it

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But she was just like, Jesus, you said three hours and it's been five. Come on. I was like, well, you know, you brought me a whole box of wine. What do you want? You knew that it was going to go on for a while. And to be fair, it has been three hours. Yeah, we... I'll say this. We also had, by the way, we had all that technical stuff at the beginning. And it's also because, Ben, you make for an interesting guest. It's nice when people jump in and actually share their opinions with us, not only on their band, but

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the news stories and things we talk about so for sure we're not known for gravity so yeah anytime you ever want me to uh hang out and talk about things those are my two favorite things to do are hang out and talk about things we will have that we'd love to have you back i'm here brothers i'm here for you excellent i will um find you in los angeles well i was gonna say that sounds super weird i'm gonna find you you won't see me coming but i'll find you

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Also, you could text me on my cell phone. My number is 555-1212. We're going to be there the whole weekend. I have Zach's digits, as it were. I'll just send you mine later. I won't announce them on the internet. I can send you all of you can have my phone number.

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I mean that's how that sentence ends. There's nothing more exciting. Yeah. Cool. Until you get all the dick chicks. I do. We need to get together and have a drink out there. Yeah. 100% down, especially because we're there all day Sunday and like at the end of tour, we don't have anything to do other than just see cool stuff. Absolutely down to just fucking hang out and have a good time. So please do. We could stand next to each other during Tripticon and like giggle like little girls. That'd be cool. Wait, wait, wait. I back this.

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So hard.

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There you go.

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Sorry, I just I think I just killed that.

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We'll be back.

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No, no, it needed to be done, George.

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All right.

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All right.

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Well, thanks again for coming on.

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Everybody make sure to go out and pick up that Glacial Tomb album.

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It is killer.

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And we will be back next month.

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With our year-end lists that we are currently working very hard on. Hard on? I said hard on. Our top 25 albums of 2018. It will be grueling, it will be brutal, and it will be Drunken Revelry. And we will be joined again by Marky San from a couple episodes ago. All right. Until then, see you later. Peace.

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Bye.

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