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Hello and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is Jay.

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This is the missing link, Will.

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This is John.

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This is Bitchy Matt.

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This is Markisan.

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And we are joined today by Jay Gambit of Crowhurst.

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How are you doing, sir? I am doing excellent. How about you guys? Pretty good. Hopefully we can make it through this episode without the power going out, unlike last time. So your latest release, 3, came out back in April and ended up making several of our best of mid-year lists. Congratulations on that. Well, thank you. That's a super high honor, by the way. Super. It's almost like an Academy Award, only nobody cares. Oh, no. I'm just happy.

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that you guys enjoyed the record. It was something we took a long time to try and get made. Almost didn't get made. And when it came out, it was just a lot of speed bumps in getting it out there. So I'm just glad people who heard it liked it. So I'm guessing that these speed bumps come with a label. But let me back up.

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because the album's called 3, but this is not your third release. Not by a long shot, apparently. On Encyclopedia Metallum, I think I counted 31 full-length albums since 2011. That's not even counting collaborations, EPs, and splits, so I'm guessing you're kind of prolific? I mean, prolific, unemployed, 601 half-something. That'll do it.

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was work on music and uh that was what i did uh i i got fucked up and i worked on a lot of music and then i got fucked up and i worked on a lot of music and that was my life for about three four years nice um yeah i mean it was uh yeah where i was living wasn't that great um i don't know if you ever heard about or seen that movie rampart um or heard about rampart station

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Most Corrupt Police Station in the country. I lived across from it. There was a dead guy on my steps. For about four days. And I called the cops. Yeah, I called the cops and the cops were like, you know, call sanitation. Sanitation says, call the cops. And I called the cops again. They said, you know, well, you told me to call sanitation. Sanitation told me to call you.

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And they were like, well, talk to your landlord about it. So I went to my landlord. And my landlord was like, no, I'm lying in glass. And I went, word, this is not the word. So it was it wasn't necessarily like I was in the best situation. So I mean, but I was in a bleak place making bleak music. I guess so. I think that takes the award for most fucked up story we've had so far. Where is Rampart?

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That's Los Angeles. I had moved from Philadelphia to Los Angeles after college and foolishly thought that I would be able to find a place to live for under $1,000 a month. And I did, but it was not the type of place that you would want to be living. It's like the type of place where people are just openly freebasing.

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I came from Philly, so I was like, whatever, man, this is cool. And I just remember my sister coming to visit me after college and leaving the house and my mom, who was not there, calling me up about 45 minutes later, urgently being like, where the fuck did you move? Get out now. Your sister left the house weeping in fear for your life.

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Oh, man. All right. I guess I'm moving. So, yeah. I mean, it wasn't like I was making lots of bread, I guess is my point. I just got back from Los Angeles. Not a big fan. Yeah. I mean, it's a cool place to visit. It's all right. There's better. Weed's great. Yeah. Best weed. Really great weed. That's why Kevin Smith lives there. Oh. I mean.

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Look, if I could stand living there again, I'd be there just for the weed. All right. But yeah, I started this trilogy mostly because I had been doing all this stuff, this collaborative stuff, and I'd been performing with the project with various different people, a lot of times meeting on stage at that time. And we did a lot of really cool

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Cool gigs. We did some early gigs with the body in like 2012, 2013. I mean, we played shows with mantar and mutilation rites that were, I think the power went out in the middle of that gig. Just, you know, early nightmare LA gigs in 2013 up until 2015. And it became more of a rock thing almost where it was like,

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It was more rooted in a almost like Agaloc style post metal. And that with heavy rooting in drone. And we realized really quickly, okay, well, you got to make a record. So we came out with the, I came up with the idea, let's make a trilogy of metal records. Cause I, I mean, three good metal records is all,

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you really need. And if you're good, you do something after that, metal. And if not, fuck off into another genre. So we did. We made this record, made the first record with these group of dudes who, after the record, they said, well, we kind of don't want to do the thing that you want to do after this. So they went off and did their thing. We made that with Jack Shirley, who did Sunbather.

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and a bunch of other stuff. And then that was when Andy from Kina and I got together and we wrote two. And that was recorded in Manchester. Matron Thorne from Evangelist plays guitar on that. And that was recorded in Manchester, but it was mixed and mastered by Machines with Magnets, who did the Lingwig Nota.

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The Body Daughters. And then to close it off, there was three. The one we just did that was produced by Kurt Ballew. And that kind of rounded it off. All three were done in different ways. The third one was done not just with Andy, me, and Matron. It was very much me working with different people, taking tracks that Andy and I had worked on, slowing them down, giving them the same treatment I did.

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The Noise Stuff. And it came out better than I could possibly ever imagine. Yeah. How did your collaboration with Andy start, Jay? Andy did an article a long time ago for VICE about mental health. And we connected on that. And we just started talking. He was, I believe, working on Setter of Unseen Stairs.

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I was loving what he was doing. He would send me something and say, what do you think of this? And I'd say, well, it sounds like a mix between A, B, and C. And he'd be like, goddammit, Jay, you're right on point. That was exactly what I was going for, a mix between A, B, and C. When the lineup from one decided, you know, hey, we don't want to do a Marilyn Manson worship black metal record, which is fair, Andy went,

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That's exactly what I want to do. I want to do a Marilyn Manson sludge black metal record. I want to do the downward spiral, but you know, like industrial rock. But now, where do I sign up? So I said, Oh, okay, cool. So we basically applied the same. I reverse engineered my critiques of his work. So I said, Well, I want it to sound like A, B and C. And I knew that he wouldn't.

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It would come out exactly how it was in my head. He showed me stuff. I was like, "It sounds like A, B, and C." And that's clearly what his intention was. What's the process like for the collaboration when you're actually working on the music? It's different with everybody. But a great example would be something like Ghost Tropic.

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in his living room in Manchester. And I said, what I want to do is something that sounds kind of like a Jason Molina track and has that same kind of heart wrenching kind of desolation that the whole album Ghost Tropic has. But Body Burns Away is the song specifically we were going for.

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And we were going for that level of almost somber. And springboarding off of that was, okay, well, we're trying to then pull out the most kind of heart-wrenching black metal we could think of. So I think we thought of like, whoa, and some silencer.

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Just really, like, what would be the black metal equivalent to Jason Molina's most desolate stuff would be, you know, DSBM. So we figured, all right, let's pull the DSBM thing. And then, obviously, you know, I'm not a big fan of blasting through a song. So, and neither is Andy. So that was really all it took was just kind of, okay, well,

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This Molina versus the DSBM thing. And I think that was it. Andy came out with this track. And we were in the studio. And I don't think I'd even pieced together lyrics to the song until I was in front of the microphone recording it. And I had my notepad open and went, well, I guess this is how the song could

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I feel like I read that you took it took you 44 minutes to do all the vocals for the album yes that's incredible yeah it was uh it was funny to me because I I'm kind of a perfectionist so I had to have Andy run into the control room and go can't just be retaking entire takes because you didn't think that you like emphasized

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one word. Like, unless, unless Kurt tells you it wasn't a good track, just keep going. Okay. What was it like working with Kurt? Um, it's business all the time. Yeah. It's great. No nonsense. Not one iota and I wouldn't have to. Um, it wasn't a social call. Yeah. But I mean, I'm all about nonsense, but it's not social call. Right.

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We're not there to hang out. His workspace is very much one where it breeds creativity, but it is not designed to be a place where you are comfortable to just kind of relax and lounge. It's almost like a nice airport lounge where it's just comfortable enough for you to spend

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about an hour before you're like, all right, cool. I gotta get the fuck out of here. I gotta do something. Um, and that's, that's how it feels to be at Kurt's place. You, you're in there, you record, you track, we recorded the whole thing in four days. Okay. Well, what do you think that he brought to, to the process and, and, and did on the album that, uh, you know, you couldn't get anywhere else because clearly you chose him to do it. Um, well, I,

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I would say the overarching thing that he took away from it was the guidance on how to play various different things and I think he lent a real almost like a proofreading because towards the end of the recording you know I mean it was pretty much like well here's your record cool

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Okay. Peace. And, uh, I, uh, you know, it wasn't, it was very unceremonious and I got an email later cause he saw it was produced by Kurt blue on the record. And he's like, you produced the record. He's like, I just engineered it. Uh, but you did a, B and C and he never got back to me after that. So I think we're going to have to, in subsequent pressings, we're going to have to be like produced by Kurt.

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or something.

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He feels I mean and it's true like there are certain elements like we played I would play live or Andy played live drums over the electronic drums various different elements like that that I the production elements that I chose are on the record but there's also a lot of like pedal choices and even

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by Kurt. They made the song. It's hard to pinpoint different nuances, different pieces of nuance that he added. But, you know, that's what makes it so special. If you could name it, if you could bottle it, everybody would add it. Well, you collaborate with a variety of personnel on all your records. On three, you teamed up with Ethan McCarthy from Primitive Man,

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John Nile from Lycus and lots of other people. So how do these collaborations come about? Do you think about who would be good for a particular record? Are you just contacting musicians that you'd like to work with? How does that start, Jay? I mean, I try and work usually, if not for the benefit of the song, for the benefit of the album. So for like Self-Portrait with Halo and Snake, Annie and I were writing a track that was so heavily influenced

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by Saul Invictus. Wouldn't it be funny if we just got Tony on the track? And then it wouldn't seem so much like we're ripping him off. And he said yes, so our plan worked. Nobody called us on it. Or something like Ethan, where I knew that after playing with him as many blessings,

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I could only describe his style of noise as lunar. And I knew that specific atmosphere that all of his stuff has, this kind of terrifying but almost alien kind of atmosphere. Whatever we played with that would be exactly what I wanted.

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Whereas, you know, one will come at the tail end, the other one might come first. Just depends on how things, you know, are written in my head, I guess. Was there anything that a collaborator did that surprised you? Oh, all the fucking time. Every time I work with somebody, they surprise the shit out of me. That's the best part of collaborating. I have a project called Executioner's Mask.

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It's a project that I've always wanted to do, just a straight post-punk project. And Ryan from Intestinal Discorge in Howling Void is my right-hand man on that particular project. Now, Ryan has never heard of post-punk in his life before this. He had never heard of it. He had never heard of Depeche Mode.

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I've never heard New Order, never heard Joy Division, none of that shit. Completely, never heard The

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fucking Cure. Just didn't come across hysteria. So I said, let's do this post-punk project. He said, sure, but I've never heard post-punk. Could you tell me what that is? And I went, you know, okay, let me make your playlist. So... It's kind of a big thing right now.

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Well, I mean, I've always been a fan of it. I don't really listen to a ton of metal. All of the Coher stuff has been kind of outed as being secret post-punk. Even the first review we ever had of one by Invisible Oranges compared a lot of the stuff to Sisters of Mercy, all the singing parts. So it's always been a thing I've been into, and the girl I was seeing when I started the project,

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was super embarrassed to tell people that I was in a noise project. Wow, he makes noise. Yeah, it's not. Well, I get it. But she had a super narrow taste in music. Like she didn't like anything with female vocalists, didn't like anything with screaming, didn't like anything with like super dissonant guitar. She just really loved like the cure. You do a lot of different things on your albums. Noise Rock, there's Scream Up.

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Yeah, but you know, she,

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it can easily be distilled down to noise.

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So I said, all right,

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I'll start a project specifically for her.

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So that way when she,

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when she needs to tell people what her boyfriend does,

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she can just say,

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it's this post-punk project.

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Instead of having to fucking explain to her that it is 90 album fucking bullshit.

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So, you know,

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I turned to Ryan for this thing and I give him this playlist and he comes back.

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with about six tracks and goes, all right, Jay, I'm not having any fun after this. So I'm going to stop it at six tracks. I go, great. And I was just super surprised that it was incredible. And because he had never heard post-punk before. Everything he does is incredible, but I was surprised how good it was. And I said, you know, this needs something. And I have a buddy who used to be in a project called Lace, which were like a post-punk.

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Slash Hardcore Group that have recently broken up. I said, "Craig, would you want to lay down some guitar for this?" And he goes, "Yeah, what do you want?" And I said, "Whatever the fuck you want to do, just do it. Do your thing." And he did it, and it came out awesome. So six months later, I turned to Ryan, I said, "Can I convince you to do six more tracks?" He said, "Yes."

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I turned to Craig, can you do six more tracks? He said, sure. I turned to Chris Bruni, I said, will you put this out? He said, sure. And then, you know, we turned to Jeff Ziegler, I said, will you record it? He said, yeah. And that's how it happened. But ultimately, I had no idea how the hell any of this was going to turn out. I was surprised. Back to the answer.

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It doesn't matter. It really matters what the girlfriend thinks. So what does she think of the... We broke up before we broke up. So when's that album coming out? That's coming out the spring of 2020. Okay. I do have one quick question. This will probably be my one question. So where in Philly are you? I'm in South Philly. I'm with a cheese stick. Oh.

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I grew up just north of Philly, so I'm a big Philly guy. Oh, nice. Where north of Philly? Just in Bucks County, a little town called Percrazy, or most people call it Percrazy. It's like just north of Doyle's town. Wow. Yeah, I know Bucks County. I don't know that specific town, but I know Bucks County. No one does. But anyway, yeah, I go up to Philly quite a bit whenever I can. Went to a Phillies game.

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It's a wonderful area. I lived in Los Angeles for a long time and every time I would tour around I would just want to be in Philly. So when I got a chance to move back, I moved back and an asshole like me can't get a three bedroom house for under a grand in the middle of the city anywhere else. So I love it.

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Do you ever go to the Dust Bowl Metal and Beer Fest? I did not have a chance to go because last year I was playing Roadburn. And the years before, I was living in Los Angeles and therefore it was a choice between rent and going out and doing things. Well, this coming year, I'm sure it's like a Thursday, Friday, Saturday thing.

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And it's usually in March or April. I think we know the dates. I think they announced it, but I forget. They're dead. Yeah, I'm not going to be here because I guess I can say this now. So we were fortunate enough to be one of the people who, one of the earliest people to be recording in the Chateau La Rovelle, which is where low pinups, what was it?

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Metal by Pink Floyd, all the Thin Lizzy stuff. I mean, it's one of the most historic studios in the world. So we're going to be recording the follow up to three there with Randall Dunn in April. Nice. Nice. Very cool. I'm really excited. I'm scoring a documentary right now. And in exchange for the score work, the documentary makers who are in France are going to come.

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all nine days that were there. So that's going to be a lot of fun. I think we're going to do synth overdubs in the same place that Randall has all the synth overdubs done for the Mandy soundtrack. Nice. Oh, that's George's favorite movie. We've talked about Mandy. George hated it. We did a top five movies that are metal as fuck, and Mandy was on my list. I think it was on some other people's list. It was on my list.

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I had not seen it so it was like the first thing I watched after we had that episode so bad yeah joy of course

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this is on everybody's list I gotta see it and it was like it was the worst movie I've ever seen

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cut out the first 45 fucking minutes of that movie yes you have a great movie yes but uh if you if you judge it as a film

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It is eandering and borderline incoherent. But goddamn, if you cut out that first 45 minutes that essentially set up everything that is explained in minute 46, Nick Cage is in the woods, has a girlfriend, that girlfriend took a bunch of psychedelic drugs and, oh shit, something's going down.

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Like, that's all, fuck it. Explain, minute 46, right there. Four shots, done. Why the fuck did you need the first 45 minutes? So you could fit it in a theater? Yeah, it doesn't need to be on the Black Rainbow. I know you can do better than this. Yeah. Well, you mentioned you did a road burn last year. I think you did two sets of road burn, and you also did Austin Terror Fest. So you've been doing some big festivals. What's that experience like?

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For you, Jay. It's been interesting. You know, we played Steel Warriors Rebellion as well in Portugal, and that was nuts. I mean, it's all crazy to me. This whole idea that noise has kind of crossed over. It's weird.

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We were supposed to collaborate with Linguaid Nota at Roadburn, but her, the response to her set was so overwhelming, they had to do the second gig at the skate park. And ultimately, I mean, fuck my set. Do your second set at the skate park, duh. And she's like the biggest fucking artist in the world right now. Like, it's crazy.

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I'm headlining a stage for Desert Fest in November. I'm playing a big set at Damnation Fest. Then I'm co-headlining Wayne Stock in London with Inter Arma and Big Business. Nice. It's not. Yeah, it's just out of control playing all these big festivals. But at the same time, it's kind of like eight years in, we've done all this stuff.

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I mean like I wasn't doing if we if we weren't ascending I'd be curious as to what I fucked up because it's like you know for a long time it was it was like well you've got the following well you're selling the records well you're on the label but nobody listens to harsh noise so maybe we could put you right by

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the bathrooms at 3.30 p.m. on a Wednesday. I've got 20,000 Facebook likes and my video just launched today just got 100,000 streams. I know. So what we've got is a local band that's playing their first show. What you can do is play while they're setting up. So, you know.

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You can play now next to the ladies' bathrooms.

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More people in line there.

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We're going to give you headlining billing.

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But you play then.

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So that way, we know that if we make it look good on the flyer, you'll promote it.

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And really that means we'll get your audience, but they'll all show up and go,

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shit, we missed your set.

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And that all changed when noise kind of broke.

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Like the body breaking into the mainstream and consistently taking out noise acts, putting noise acts in front of metal audiences. And I thank every promoter that ever allowed us to play in front of a metal audience when it was clearly not an in-vogue thing to do. And then, you know, finally the Roadburn thing happens. Now we're doing the festivals.

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That's awesome. It's weird. All right. I'm going to move this on with a very simple question. Who did the album artwork for three? One of my favorite artists in the world, DC artist Brandon Jeers. Really? Like DC as in? Think of comics? Yeah. Well, like DC Comics? No, as in local. Oh, DC. Oh, shit. District of Columbia.

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Oh, I should know that then. Yeah, he did some art for Immortal Bird. He did some art for Pig Destroyer. He's done some art for Black Sabbath. He just did a board game that on Kickstarter, I think its goal was 25K, and it did 45K in 24 hours. Wow. Damn. Wow. Yeah, I love the cover art. It looks like a horror mountain transformer to me.

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It's like a mountain in disguise that suddenly reveals its true form to terrorize an unsuspecting ski village below. That's how I think of it. You know, when it's cool. Thanks, man. I love all the artwork and I know that Johnny Ryan did the back cover art on two. On one. I love Johnny Ryan. Was it one? Okay. He's one of my favorite cartoonists and I've actually talked about Prison Pit.

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this cast. Oh, Prison Pit, okay. So, yeah, I remember I was talking about it. Prison Pit's like one of my favorite comics of all time. It was my very first cast when I was on when you guys were interviewing me about my comic that I talked about it. So I just want to know, you know, what is it like to work with these visual artists on the covers? Do they work off your ideas? Do you give them free reign to do whatever they want on the covers? How does that work? I'll start by saying,

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I am a visual artist and that is what I went to school for. Sound art was like a thing I fell into but I'm not a formally trained musician in any way shape or form. So me even learning about art a lot of me learning about visual art came from album covers. Like I learned about like Jenny Saval from that Maddox Street Preachers cover. So the idea of having an album with a budget and a release

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I wanted to have a cool artist and contacting Johnny Ryan was an immediate thing that was super cool yes baby I know good time to talk about metalheads podcats.com yeah cats are big on this podcast so it's nowhere okay good well I have a street rescue that sometimes likes to yell at the door

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But yeah, Johnny Ryan is someone who I've always been a huge fan of, and he was doing a lot of work for the CineFamily at the time. So I know he was doing commissions. It was just a matter of emailing him, and we got an alternate logo out of it, which is really cool. And at some point, when we do the re-release, I'm hoping to do the full illustration that he did as a wall flag.

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because it's sick.

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To answer your question, he'll play.

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Sometimes they play off you.

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Sometimes they don't want any sort of really prompt.

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Like I worked with Tony Millionaire.

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And I gave Tony Millionaire, I think, a one sentence prompt.

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And he came up with the shirt that we have, which is the, you know, Drinky Crow shooting himself in the head. Music is stupid. So, you know, it's to me, the real thrill is just constantly being able to contact all of these really cool artists and musicians. And just having an excuse to fucking email Stephen O'Malley and go,

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You even emailed the Iron Sheik to do a review of the album. I remember that too. The Iron Sheik? From my neck of the woods? Fuck yeah. That is true. I emailed the Iron Sheik. Alistair Black was working out to three. Let's see. John Darnell contacted me.

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to let me know that he enjoyed the record which blew my fucking mind. Because I always, he's a hero of mine and to know that he enjoyed the music meant well I know that at least I'm not a terrible lyricist. Somebody who's like the world's greatest lyricist listening to my shit doesn't think it sucks. Same with Joe Pernice from the Scud Mountain Boys. He digs what I do. So it's like honestly to

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to all of these people who I really admire from like Johnny Ryan all the way down. I mean, who the fuck am I to give any direction to them unless they ask, you know? So that's kind of how I view it, where it's like, if they need more info, I give it to them.

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Well, you mentioned lyrics, and the lyrics and the emotional content on 3 seem to come from a darker, more emotional place than some of your other albums. So when you sing, there is no light here, there is no fight here on Ghost Tropic, it gave me a chill every time I listen to it. So did you consciously want to set a darker mood for this album in the trilogy? You know, what did you hope to express in the album that,

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that you didn't on previous ones.

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Um, it's weird because the lyrical content has always been super bleak. It's just that Kurt was the first person I was too chicken shit to tell to move the lyrics to the back. Like to move all the vocals to the back and that barium and reverb is like Jack Shirley. I was like, yeah, give me that some day the production. Make it so you can't hear a fucking thing I say.

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That's awesome.

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That's going to be a complaint about my life.

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That was my biggest complaint about that album.

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Oh, man.

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I was like, hey, no, I loved it because it was the ultimate cop-out for me.

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It is.

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I don't want anybody to hear it.

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And then when Machines with Magnets mixed two, their initial mix had the vocals way up in the back.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I'm not that good.

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And they went, but you like how we mix? And I went, yeah, everything else but the vocals. Mix my vocals so you can't fucking hear them. And then when Kurt gave me a mix, I went, that's great. Because what the fuck am I going to tell Kurt to live? And everybody else went, wow, your vocals are great. And I went, I don't like them. And they went, shut the fuck up. Your vocals are great. And I went, okay.

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So, you know, that's kind of like one of those things where I can't say they've been different. All my songs have always been about being addicted to a lot of fucking pills and wanting to die, which is a terribly frank answer. But for a long time, I was addicted to a lot of pills, and I just wanted to fucking die. And then I stopped being addicted to pills.

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I still wanted to fucking die.

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And, uh,

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I hope you don't want to now.

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No, I mean, look, when all the medication doesn't work,

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you eventually just do something, which is, uh, at the time I just wrote,

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just wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, and I drank and I'd write and I drank and I'd write.

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Um, and then, uh, and then I got sober, sober.

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Uh, and then, uh, you know, I

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I gotta learn how to fucking write silver. So I did. But you know that's Executioner's Mask which is like me writing in stanza and like writing about how I want to die but in a clever way. As opposed to 3 which is just like fuck you. You are going to listen to me going through some shit for 45 minutes to all styles of music. It is a medley of my pain.

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Deal with it or not. Which is like, again, it's totally that weird confessional shit. It's like really, really selfish and cheesy. It's catharsis. Say it. Well, it's catharsis, but it's like mad cheesy to be like, look, I'm going to complain at you for 45 minutes over blast beats and you're going to listen. But like, I mean, there's a long history of that as a genre. Yeah. Music in general. Particularly metal. Yeah.

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I mean, you know, the reconciling catharsis with the reality of the fact that, you know, it's your own personal problems. I think that was kind of the reason that this record is what it is in terms of being decipherable lyrically.

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is that I've kind of just figured out that A, what am I going to tell Kurt Ballou? Bury my shit? But B, you know, if nobody complained after the last two, I guess, you know, what are they going to do? They're either going to complain now or they're not. Nobody seemed to. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I know you... Oh, go ahead, Matt. I would say, I mean, yes, metal is a genre that's for that,

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Definitely in listening to your album, 3, I mean, it stood out to me right away as something that I would want to revisit again. And just your description of it is basically kind of the, you know, the, probably the reason why, you know, indirectly in the sense of, you know, putting your heart and soul into it and your feelings into it is what really made it raw. And to me, just something that I wanted to continue to listen to, you know, people connect with stuff like that.

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Absolutely.

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Hey.

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I will say when we did our mid-year in Markson, it sticks in my head when you had it at your number one. I can't remember where it was on my list. And of course, that's when my bitchiness really started. And you had said, like, I'm surprised it's not higher on your list. And I was like, I am too. And it may show up again higher later in this episode. But it really was something that, you know, I listened to it and I was like, fuck, there is something here that is amazing.

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It wasn't until after the podcast that I've been able to just spend, you know, I spun it a few times, but it just, you know, I absorbed what I could. But again, based on what you're saying, there's definitely a lot to absorb. And so it's been it's been fun over the last few months to continue to absorb that. And yeah, to see how cool it is. Yeah, no, it's it's the emotional content. It's the progressive quality of it. Like you feel like you're listening to something you haven't heard before. But the feelings are familiar. And that's what I.

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Yeah, that's what I really respond to. And I know, Jay, that you've dealt with a lot of depression in your life. You've had a lot of hard things that have happened to you in your life. And I'm sure that's gone into the record, all three of the records in the trilogy, really. So I haven't actually experienced stuff like that. But for some reason, there's something I respond to it emotionally that I don't in other records. So I appreciate that.

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Yeah, you may think it's cheesy to air problems like that, but there's other people out there that relate to that, and that helps them. So, you know, think of it that way. It is. It's all over the place, but that's what those feelings are like when you experience them. When you're going through shit, it is all over the fucking place, but the way you've arranged it as an album, it fits together as one work, you know?

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Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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Thank you so much. It was hard to get it out there. There were a lot of people who were really unsure if anybody wanted to hear what that was and what it is. I mean, even with Kurt signed up, it took... I mean, fuck it, we got time. So, I got Skype.

00:44:15.020 --> 00:44:43.980
So I got dates. I got receipts. Let's get dirty. March 22nd, 2018. So I had booked my first European tour that never happened. And our tour mate had a bit of a problem and had a situation where for health reasons,

00:44:44.980 --> 00:45:14.820
health reasons, they had to drop out of the tour. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. It was a situation where between that and having a nasty bit of noise drama where someone was trying to dox me because they felt like I shouldn't be touring Europe. I just said, fuck it. We're not going to do this tour.

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A couple months before I had played Northwest Terra Fest. And I routed the whole weekend. I got to know everybody. Of course, when it came time for me to play, it was in Throne Room 45 minutes long, so I played to nobody. And then everybody showed up right as my set ended. And they were like, don't worry, we'll get you back another year.

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We'll play Seattle when we come back. But at that fest, I met somebody who was A&R for Prophecy Productions. And when they saw my fest fell apart, or this tour fell apart, and they saw hundreds of comments of people being like, shit, we wish you could have come to Greece. Fuck, why aren't you? We were so bummed about this France show.

00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:19.060
at some point soon, it was obvious like, okay, cool.

00:46:19.390 --> 00:46:20.960
We should probably swoop this person up.

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So I get an email that's like, hey, love to have you as the Writ for the Prophecy Productions inaugural American signings.

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And we want to branch into America because we've had so much success in Europe.

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And I said, great.

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What do you want?

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And they said, we want the rights to your entire back catalog.

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And I went, Jesus.

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Christ. And they said, but we'll put out your, we just want to protect your legacy and we're going to re-release the trilogy. And we're going to, you see all the nice packaging that all of our box sets have. Don't worry, we'll take care of you. And I go, oh, well, shit, you're going to protect my legacy. And they're like, yes, we read your interviews and we saw how important it is for you to have, feel like all this stuff is protected. So don't worry, we'll take care of it. And I went, Jesus, that's awesome. All my labels before have kind of screwed me over.

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So this is great.

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It's worth it to give you the rights if you're going to protect it.

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How much will you give me?

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We'll give you six grand.

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I said, that doesn't even cover what the other – that doesn't even cover what three costs.

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And they basically take it or leave it.

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Who else is tining it?

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So I took it.

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Oh.

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And yeah.

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So they got my whole back catalog.

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and they got uh yeah which was three costs about sixty five hundred dollars to make we had to fight for the cost to get it mastered they didn't they we had to explain to our a and r rep why an album needed to be mastered that's not good wow not good at all so uh

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I finally go through all this. We get to the cart, and I have this record that I'm super proud of. And I sent it to the head of the label with an email that said, I believe that this will stand amongst your other releases. I'm very proud of this record. I thank you for signing us. I hope we can make you proud, and I hope this can stand amongst your other releases by Alcest and so-and-so.

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The only way I can see this record failing is without good PR. And I know the label will take care of that. Before they listened to the label, the head of the label called me up and scolded me for 90 minutes about how artists shouldn't act like that. This isn't the 90s. And how dare I think that the only way this album would fail would be the label's fault.

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"heaven forbid, how dare I be so presumptuous?" I said, "Have you listened to the album yet?" He said, "No." So then he listened to the album and said, "I liked it." So I said, "Okay, came to PR." Well, A&R's best friend wanted to do that, was already the in-house PR for the label. Well, I was like, you know, I've got PR experience in their performance,

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I said, I can't hire someone else. They said, we have it covered. How would you like to have your premiere through this small blog? And I went, but we could get Revolver. And they said, let me think about it. And I went, what? You'd rather have this tiny blog, this blog spot than Revolver? And they said, we don't know.

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I don't necessarily if it would be right for the let's get back to our PR person now at this point my management got on the phone with the head of the prophecy and went out of control like what blogspot are you crazy so the head of the label went of course get revolver well at that point the war was on we had like no PR we knew I knew it so at that point I took out a loan I

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I sold a bunch of stuff and I got billboards taken out for the album. I contacted the media buyer for AFI and Future and I sunk $30,000 and I'm still way in the fucking debt. But I knew it would be the only way anybody would ever find out about this album is if we did some sort of work. So I took out a bunch of ads.

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And I'm still in debt and still paying off credit cards and credit cards and credit cards. But you know what? I had to get it heard by somebody. And you know what happened when all these billboards were taken out that had Prophecy's name on them and all this? Got a very angry email from Prophecy. Why are you going over our heads? Why didn't you tell us? Not, oh my God, we're so happy you took the initiative. But they were upset.

00:51:44.180 --> 00:52:11.180
for promoting the record. I said it was really important for us to, you know, know how our album did. Hopefully it would get on Billboard. I didn't know. I thought our album didn't sell until I realized that it wasn't in stock from Prophecy Store. And when I asked them, they said it's a computer glitch. And it was only a week after I said, why isn't the glitch been fixed? They went, it's out of stock. You mean it's sold out? It's out of stock.

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How long is your contract with Prophecy? It's options. So they have two more options left. The next album that's coming out on Prophecy is Gavin Breyer's Presents. I worked with one of the world's most celebrated living composers. I took a master class from him in France because I was lucky enough to get a grant. And it turns out that he was just like,

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And I was like, I've never been to school. I can't read music. I don't know how to make music. And he's like, you're already making music, dude. You have 60 records. It's like, well, do you want to work together? And he's like, yeah. So I have this beautiful orchestral record. And I mean, Prognosis said the three didn't do very well, but it was well enough for them to want to put out a gatefold version of this. So the next album is coming out in a few months, this orchestral record.

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And then after that, I have a death metal record coming out called Harsh Metal. And that finishes off the contract with Proxy Productions. Well, that sounds good. Is that the death metal with Kral? Because I read that you were doing something with Kral. That is in Kral is already finished. I'll send that to you after the podcast. Oh, that'd be awesome. Yeah. It's your press. So it's an advance. Yeah. I love Kral.

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Is that the Swedish death metal band Kroll? Who uses the heavy HM2? That's the one, yeah. They were on my list last year. Was that Jay? Yeah. It's the One Man Sludge Project from Texas that's currently playing drums for Uniform on the tour with Floris right now. But he's great. But that's not that. This is me from Ryan from Testinal Discouragement and Matt from Landmine Marathon. Wow.

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Yeah, it's just the heaviest fucking thing I could possibly fathom. And I think Blake from Pig Destroyer is going to be on it. Either Blake's going to be on it or Mason from Enemy Soil is going to be on it. One of those two. If it's not Blake, if Blake's not on this, he's on the crinkles thing I'm doing with Josh from Suffering Hour and Zach from Outer Heaven.

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Oh, we love Outer Heaven. Oh, I love Zach. Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah, that's one of my best friends. They're a Philly area. Well, they're kind of like outside west of Philly, but yeah. Yeah, they're all excellent, excellent dudes. But yeah, so I've got a hardcore band for the kids who like hardcore post-punk noise. I got something for everybody coming up. Nice. Wow. Yeah, doing noise on Dragged Into Sunlight,

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Yeah, they're cool.

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So, yeah, no, they're wonderful.

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If I buy a t-shirt, a Crowhurst t-shirt, does that money go to you?

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Um, yeah, the t-shirt stuff.

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The reason we don't have our merch printed through Prophecy was because we were initially going to,

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and then they were like, actually, now you can have as many designs as you want,

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because we're going through print on demand.

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And I went, like, cafe press? Yeah. And I was like, don't you ever put my logo on anything. Right. So we are fortunate enough to have gone the exact opposite direction, have the best printers in the country, in my opinion, or some of the best in the country, with Holy Mountain. Yeah. Yeah, Holy Mountain. I mean, I have the t-shirt. I think I wore it. You did. And I loved it. It's awesome. And I want to start working on this credit card debt. I'm going to help you pay this.

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Thank you.

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The best, honestly, like, the best thing to possibly do is just, like, having me on the show and just shining a highlight on the music, because ultimately that was the thing that was crushed me, was, like, you know, not having the PR and not being able to get into, like, the premieres that we want. Not even a premiere, but, like, no pitchfork, no NPR, no fucking nothing.

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Like, I mean, we got what we reached out to. And that was it. Yeah. I mean, that's true, Jay, because I never really, before three, I never really listened to Crowhurst. So, you know, when I heard three, of course, I had to get all the stuff in the back catalog. But absolutely. Totally blew me away. You know, I listen to a lot of metal. So for it to fall through the cracks, the previous albums is kind of crazy to me. You know, you can only chalk them up.

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up to bed. But I mean, here's the thing. I don't want to toot our own horns, but we know what the fuck we're talking about because this is what we do all fucking day. I mean, honestly, this is like a second job for us that we love. This is all we fucking do, you know? And when we say it's good, this shit is good. This is the most I've talked on a podcast. Fucking A.

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Bitchy Matt.com.

00:57:37.180 --> 00:58:04.700
That's exactly right. I am bitchy about how good this is. Thank you. I appreciate it. Again, it's just, you know, there's so much great music that is going on under our noses that we don't know about. If anything, you know, like, I would love to be a testament to the fact that there are a million people who don't have a bunch of money.

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to sink into trying to prove a label wrong and who make incredible art and just, you know, might sit around at a factory job, sell two things on Bandcamp. It doesn't mean their art's any less valid. So, you know, they're up. But also like for continue going, you know, just keep going and going and going and going. Perseverance, you know. Yeah. So speaking of other artists,

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Who are you listening to these days? Do you keep up on recent music? It seems like you probably do. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Right now, my album of the year is Dark Blues Victory is Rated. Everybody's jocke this new Ceremony record, and it's great. Ceremony continues their trajectory to God knows where back into the 80s. But, you know, there was a period,

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that they hit that sweet spot in L-shaped man that for me kind of really did it and that was pretty it was a record that was pretty much made by its base and its base it's really really really solid bass lines in my opinion and Andrew Rogers Nelson plays this dark blue record along with John Sharkey of Claw Cleaner and I don't know if you guys are familiar with Claw Cleaner

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They're one of the nastiest bands to ever come out of Philadelphia. And just this record is just a heart wrenching post-punk record. Not since Joy Division's Closer have I heard a record that pulls so deeply at the heartstrings within the kind of idiom of bass and drum driven dissonant rock.

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I'll be checking that out. Yeah, it's for good. And, you know, it's got, it continues Sharky's tradition of taking these kind of hook driven songs that, you know, earlier in his career were based around vulgarity and just pissing people off. Kind of that Sam McPheeters kind of punk attitude of

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of, you know, fuck you, you're here, and what are you going to do, leave? And as he became an older gentleman and softened up and had a child, I would imagine, you know, songs like When My Ship Comes In aren't necessarily the stuff you want to be singing. So this stuff is more about just being miserable and day-to-day life and, you know, bombs hitting

01:01:04.780 --> 01:01:12.820
Palestinian children and just terrible awful miserable atrocities and uh mixed with the

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mundanities of human life it's great it's a great record get it sounds like uh sounds like a slayer record

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so speaking of telling people to fuck off uh what did i gotta ask what did bono morrissey dave

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What did Dave Grohl and the Beatles ever do to you? Oh, man. Well, let's see. Dave Grohl was just, dude, like, have you ever seen that Sonic Highways? Yes. I didn't know that you could have a 12-part series where someone masturbated in every single city. I thought Pornhub would fucking do that. Not Steven fucking Spielberg. Jesus.

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Christ. The worst thing about that is man, he could sit with Fugazi. He could sit with fucking Ian McKay in the fucking Discord house. And so how do I make this about me? So fuck you, Dave, bro. Nice. I literally thought the same thing. So that won't be on your top five documentaries of all time? No. I will say that Atlas did make a year after Ian McKay.

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I love him. Ian McKay is cool. It's Dave Grohl that's the problem. I know. I'm just saying we made a beer about Ian McKay. Really? What was it? I love Fugazi. I cut my teeth on that shit. Dance of Days. Dance of Days, really? Oh. Okay, well I like that beer. Dance of Days is Ian McKay. He had like a one album band after Fugazi and all the other stuff. I think it was

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I think it was a song or something whatever it was dance the days it wasn't my idea I came up with parlor recipe the other guy came up with the other parlor recipe but dance the days nice he was the guy Washington DC hardcore now I want when you play atlas you can drink it well atlas has to give Jay all the beer yeah right all right well I mean Bono I get it Morrissey I get it

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But what about the Beatles? Come on. They're fucking way overrated. That's all I got to say. I'm not going to say the over underrated thing. I would say that Paul McCartney had wings. John Lennon beat his wife. George Harrison had that weird cult thing. And Ringo's Ringo. Ringo's Ringo.

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Yeah, like, like,

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like,

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Ringo's cool,

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but unfortunately there's four of them and I can't call it.

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Fuck you,

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John Paul.

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Yeah.

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So unfortunately,

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it's gonna,

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unfortunately,

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it's how it goes,

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man.

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You know,

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it can't be neutral in a moving train.

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So,

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unfortunately,

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I'm not taking the whole all-star band.

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It's just Ringo.

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So Dave Sanborn can continue on touring and

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it'll be cool. Just you know, they'll have one drummer not two like they currently have. Fair enough. That's and that's my Ringo Starr knowledge. That's all I have. Nice. It's all good. Um, Jay, if you had to pick one song from the Crowhurst trilogy that best represents the project, which one would you pick? Deep. Ghost Drop It. Why?

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That's my favorite one!

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You win!

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It's the...

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It's just the most...

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It has all of the things.

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It has the singing part from Judgment.

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It's got the blast beats

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from the

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better parts

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of the trilogy

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that are the heaviest. It's got the emotional

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resonance. It's got good production.

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It says everything

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All the other tracks say except slightly more concise. So I had to pick one. Yeah, that's my favorite. Awesome. Thank you. Very cool. Can I ask one quick question? Yeah, of course. Jay, what is some metal that you cut your teeth on that you liked that you connected with at any point in your life? I have got, I grew up listening to a lot of guar. I know it's not metal, but

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Yeah, too dark park vivisec six. You know, the industrial metal was really where it's at KMFDM. Yeah. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Ministry. Yeah, that that was a huge thing for me. Marilyn Manson. But Rammstein. Yep. And a lot of a lot of that weirder kind of metal stuff. Butthole surfers.

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I love ween primus I know I know ween isn't really metal but at the time to me you fucked up it was that's that's metal yeah anything can be metal metal spirit yeah metal state of mind but by the way Jay Gambit when you said Romstein Jay Dickinson came in his pants

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a recent discovery for me. I mean, I know they've been around forever, but I always wrote them off as a kind of plastic undertaking, and I didn't realize that's not at all true. I never listened to them. I never listened to them. No, it's actually true. I like them, that's all. I'm going to see, I'm going to see GWAR tomorrow for the first time at Riot Fest. Nice. Hey, we are all scum dogs.

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I was at Odorous Yurongas' Viking funeral. Ooh, fuck yes. I have a piece. Are you in Hawaii or Chicago? God damn it. Chicago. I have a piece, a charred piece of his barge. Well, you know what? Hey, no, too much information. If your piece is charred, just... George, I have always loved you, and now I love you more. Yes, I have an Odorous relic.

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That's awesome, George. What happened to your relic? Anyway. I was going to say, if you come into this conversation late and George says, I have an odorous relic, you can be like, ah. Well, it does smell like smoke. We got Febreze. Yeah. But in answer to your question, Will, I'm not moving to Hawaii until October 21st. The week before I go to Chicago. I know. Matt's coming to Chicago and I'm going to be gone right before it.

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You're not going to meet in Chicago. We can't. Well, Matt, he scheduled it wrong. He scheduled it wrong. We don't want to talk about it. I like how you blame Matt. That's nice. It's my fault. Oh, of course it is. And by the way, Jay, you need to play Hawaii. BTW. This is what I'm drinking right now. I'm moving to Hawaii. There's no metal in Hawaii. I've looked this up. I need metal bands to come to Hawaii. There's Aloha, Core. Aloha. I'm really scared.

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The Band Burmese, one of my favorite sludge bands in the whole world. And if you get a chance, listen to their album Men, which was produced by Weasel Walter of the Flying Luttenbachers on the legendary Lode Label, one of the most terrifying sludge records of all time. Mikey from Burmese, I believe, is from Hawaii, and I believe they do shows there. So, for that.

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I'll look it's it's it's hard to find anything because I'm in Chicago so I see shows almost every week so it's gonna be in Hawaii where there's just not that much metal but I will definitely look that up right on I know Metallica played like all 50 states on the dirt load tour was it load or reload it was probably the black album because no one likes that thanks for that well yeah I thought it was St. Angus

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All right. So before we get into the rest of the episode, Jay sent me an unreleased song that he said we could play on here. And I want you to talk about it a little bit. The file you sent me is titled Medium Riff. Is there anything beyond that? All right. So because I have a tendency to be unreasonable,

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I have my band up in the UK and we were staying with my friend Sam Threader who is in the band Slabdragger and one of my favorite engineers and producers in the whole world, one of my favorite dudes. And I said to my band, we're going to write a whole record in a day. Because I've been listening to nothing but The Fall non-stop. So I said, fuck it, we're going to write a record in a day.

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That's what Marky Smith would do if he had the day of studio time. So we did. We wrote this whole record in a day and we didn't know if it would be good or bad. The whole time we were joking that if we needed to fill out one more album for that contract, we'd have something. But it turns out Harsh Metal ended up getting done. We had this whole album of B-sides.

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whole album of B-sides with no A-sides. If anybody could, it'd be us. So we had this whole album of shit that we liked. We just don't know where to put it. So I thought it'd be cool, since we can't officially release it or even put it on our band camp until the Prophecy contract's done, to premiere it as a cool kind of bonus feature slash thank you slash whatever. Because I appreciate

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put me on. And if like, it's not a drug, if like, it draws people away to hear me talk for a long time, it'll draw people back in to have music. So I figured it would equalize it. So Jay, really quickly as an experience, would you recommend Roadburn to people? I mean, that's like a silly question. That is, that is a silly, silly question. I assume so. That's like saying, that's,

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I don't know. I'm on the fence on those two. Like, yeah, of course I'd recommend roadburn to people. I'd recommend you get a time machine, go back in time, experience all the roadburns that I even couldn't experience. Then go ahead and experience, buy tickets to the next one, and then reserve tickets to the one after that. It's the best fucking thing in the world. I mean, as far as European festivals go, I mean, obviously I've only,

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in the mid to Valken, which is just huge, massive, but I've heard Roadburn is a much more smaller intimate experience. Is that how you found it to be? You know, Valken is a festival where you go to see fans that you know about and love. And Roadburn is a festival where you go to discover bands that you love.

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It's not... There's no place like it. And every time... I've seen it. I'm only 31 years old, but I've seen it constantly. South by Southwest and all these places that are like, this is a showcase event. This is where you'll see the future of tomorrow. Everybody's trying to make themselves the Catcher Rising Star for heavy metal. And every single time, it fucking fails. But Road Burn, without a doubt, every single year, it ends up, you know, not because they're trying to,

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Because Walter is a really great programmer. And they know what's going on. They have really good taste. And every year you might see a band's name for the first time. But see them a lot more after that. So I mean I can't suggest a festival more. Because any band that you would see at Roadburn.

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to 300 people you'll probably see later play at rocking to a thousand. I feel like this would be a good group field trip. Yeah. So you were there when Trypticon did Requiem. God damn it. And that ties into what you were talking about into the script. So cool. I get to stay on script. Yeah, that's right. All right. That's right. Yeah. Look at me.

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Making up for the lack of professionality with the fucking bong rips and shit. But yeah, I mean, look, I cannot recommend enough going to a country with legal and open marijuana laws and then going and seeing Tom J. That's hard to argue with. Like, you know, from an artist perspective, it is moving to know,

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that there are people out there looking after an artist's wishes for their work. To know that there was someone out there looking after Tom G. Warrior on whatever cosmic plane that allowed him at his current age to finish a trilogy that he had started many years ago, I think is just an overwhelming

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powerful thing. So however it turned out, that's a secondary thing for me. Because as a creator, watching that bloom, however late the final flower blossomed, is a wonderful thing. I'm jealous. Awesome. Awesome. Exactly what I wanted to hear. Let's go ahead and play that song now. And we'll be back after that.

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I don't know the dream

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Failing the dagel

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Funger free

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Wrang a million pounds

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Take me away

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I'm like you

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"Fucked!"

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I'm chosen

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Broken down and raining

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What?

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The sky's broken down and running The sky, the sky will fall Breaking up my cupboards

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Okay, so moving on to the rest of the episode. First of all, I want to mention that today is Matt's anniversary, and he's spending that here on the podcast like a dumb son of a bitch dude.

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So happy anniversary, Matt, and happy anniversary to your wife. We've been married five years. Congratulations, Matt. Thank you, guys. We are not big celebratory people, but cheers to y'all. I have not met your wife or the rest of your family, but they seem lovely. Hang on. Just quickly to celebrate, I am drinking the Hammerheart Crip Sermon Collaboration beer. Are you serious? There's a Hammerheart Crip Sermon?

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beer. Nehushtan. I'm sure I fucked that up. Nehushtan, the Belgian style double. It's fabulous. So I think the correct answer to Will's question though, Matt, is no, Will, I fucking made that up. Much like everything I do, it is made up. Yes. They put it out on the weekend because it was, I think it was their anniversary, so they had a big festival. Number six.

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Right. And the artwork is by the singer in the band. Brooks. And a friend of mine actually picked it up. Yep. He picked it up for me because he's coming pretty soon. So I'm also going to get to try it. I'm dying to have it. Very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Is that Borat? Are we out? Is that what that is? Yeah, I think we just did Borat. Yep. All right. Should we talk about drinking too? Sure. I am drinking.

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Pillar of Beasts from Three Floyds. It's a barrel-aged salted caramel barley wine. Holy fuck, is this good? That sounds good. I am fucking ripped. Of course you are. Where did you start? Like noon? It's still full sentences. I'm on mead next. Jesus. All right. Hey, Jay Gambit, what were you listening? Or not listening. What were you drinking earlier?

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I was drinking type a IPA by kind of shocking brewing company. It's good. It's a medium body. I usually prefer a ghost. Like I, I have a friend who works at two SP who has been joking about doing a crow hearse beer that was just like sea salt and bitter lemon.

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That is one of my favorite things to drink in the summer. They're get preserved Meyer lemon and she had some sea salt and lemon goes that was outrageously good. But even some like Meyer lemon in that that dogfish sea foam ale or whatever it's called. That stuff with a little bit of preserved Meyer lemon is insane out of this world good.

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So, like, I mean, in the summer, when it gets to be like 100 degrees, all I want to do is drink a gallon of that stuff and pass up. Nice. What about John? So, I'm drinking some Atlanta beers from my recent trip. The first one I had was from Iron Monger Brewing Company. It's called But This One Goes to 11. Nice. And it's an IPA.

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And then I just finished my second beer from Creature Comforts Brewing Company Tropicalia, which is also another IPA.

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Did any of you guys ever see that movie Alan Partridge?

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No.

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No.

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Okay.

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Well, then this joke won't go very far.

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In fact, I'm not going to tell it, but trust me, it's like the funniest movie I've ever fucking seen.

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It's a Steve Coogan movie.

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It's so fucking funny.

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It's good.

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It's about this disc jockey in England.

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It's called Alan Partridge.

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It's brilliant, dude.

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I've heard about it.

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It's so fucking funny. But anyway, there's a he's a well, he's a disc jockey and he just does the most absurd things on the on the air, you know, and there are all these little throwaway lines like it's like he plays a song and it'll be like, say what you want about Jesus for me. Neil Diamond will always be king of the Jews. And then. But also, he says, when we come back from our commercial break, we're going to talk about what's the worst monger fish, iron, cheese or war. Pretty sure I know the answer to that.

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I see this movie dude it's so funny what's that got to do with beer well no iron mongers but uh I know I know and it's not the worst monger that's clearly cheese oh my well what's going on over there I feel like I saw water uh no no no I I am about to pass out I've had um I've had a hell of a fucking week try coaching

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I love those guys.

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I visit them.

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Yearly. Yeah. And then, um, so that was probably the second, the second beer I had. First beer I had was the Boulevard Smokestack Belgian, uh, bourbon barrel age quad. And then now I'm drinking one of. Oh yeah. Backwards. That's a good one. Backwards Bastard. Oh, I love John. That's that uncle that shows up once a year. It's my faves. He fucks up your world. That's good stuff. I know. I know.

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You like it

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And you're all

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Fucking backwards

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Bastards

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So

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I started

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I have to wake up

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At zero dark thirty

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To get ready for

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A baseball game

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Will do I need to

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Send you more

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Smoked beer

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Yes

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I started with

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Founders Barrel Runner

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Which is

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The rum runner

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Yeah

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It's called

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Barrel Runner

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It's like

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In rum casks

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Or something

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Yeah that's really

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Good

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I've moved on to a droid theory, the death of civilization in slow motion. Is that another yet hazy IPA? It is. Yeah. I have to go talk to Mark. I have to go talk to Mark because I swear to fucking God. Every time I'm like, oh, what's this one? Oh, hazy IPA. Oh, what's this? Hazy IPA. What's this one? Yeah. Don't get me started on this hazy. I told George earlier, I am really jealous. I cannot get a droid theory here.

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And here in Chicago, I can pretty much get anything, but I cannot get a droid theory. Cheers. However, because you guys take so long, I haven't started on mead, and I am drinking Lunarian Hydra, a club exclusive from Brooming Horn. Of course. Which is the best meadery around. Wow, this is a sweet mead made with honey, rosemary, cinnamon, and cloves. Nice. Oh, it's like pumpkin mead.

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Did anybody else join the second part of the club? No. They didn't want to ship here. We're only like two states. They won't ship to the People's Republic of Maryland. There's some interstate. They shipped there, yeah. There are some states like that. Matt, you got in? I got into the Me Club Part 2. Nice. So I don't know when that first shipment's going out, but shit's going to get crazy when it does. It'll be in the fall.

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I go to bed at about eight o'clock. Yeah. All right. So we got a couple things to get into before we get into the news. So first of all, Jay, you recently put up an article and you also went to a bunch of shows. So please briefly explain all of this stuff. Super briefly. But I do also first have to say that that I never adjusted to that interview because every time Will or somebody was like, Jay, what do you think of it? I was like, what the fuck does Will

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What I think? Oh, yeah, that's right. Like I was saying. Like I swear to God. Two Js. Yeah, and it did not wear off once. The sixth time that happened, I was still like, what? What the fuck? So, okay, I will be brief. Just mostly I wanted to pimp my Dio article, which you can find the link on our pod on the Facebook page. With the playlist. And that's at wearemetalheads.com. It's a long-winded essay about the meanings of

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Ronnie James Steele's lyrics and how they are basically really just a long dialogue about his own life really or monologue is probably a better way to put it. So how many of you guys have read it? I read it of course. I've read it a hundred times. You're not the, well, oh, actually that's the perfect time to see Markisan really put a lot of work into editing that for me and his sense of economy is like way better than mine so he really reeled it in. And the logo.

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Wait, he reeled that in because that thing is about 20 pages long. It's fucking long. It is long. But I also just say to wind that up, I'll just say I think it's worth your time to read it. I think personally that art, metal is an art form and I don't by anybody who doesn't think it is that I hate it when people try to like legitimize it or make it compare it to other forms. It's a real thing. And I'm right when I write a series of articles for our website that just assume that to be true. Excellent. So the next one is being.

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It's fantastic, Jay. I really like it.

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There's a lot of thought put into that. If you haven't read it yet, you should check it out because, as I said on Facebook, you will be smarter for having read it.

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It's also absolute proof of the sheer amount of time that I have spent listening to Ronnie James Dio in my life. And I'm the writer for it.

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And it's a series.

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I mean, he named it Dissection.

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And Dio is untouchable.

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So for you to document all this, fabulous. You're touching him. Awesome. Untouchable, untouchable. The next one is about a lot less of an interpretation, and it's just a kind of a family tree of sorts about Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Dio, and all these bands that cross-checked, and how shockingly many people there are in that were in one or more, two or more of those bands. It's weird. That's the biggest incest in the world is right there in those three or four bands.

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So that's coming up next. And then quickly and truly briefly, my week of shows, I saw Deep Purple on Sunday. They were fantastic. This is the Long Goodbye Tour, so this world could be the last chance. I believe George has tickets for his end of the world. John and George are going great. They were just fantastic. I loved them. I was the oldest fucking group of people I've been in a long time. Very enthusiastic opening band would be like, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Who the hell is that?

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I think of them. Well, exactly. They're a young upstart rock band from Orange County. Oh, great. They're rebels with credit cards. Okay, so Deep Purple is great. Then I saw Maiden. You guys saw Maiden already. But I have to say, I was blown away by the stage, so it sounded as good as I've ever seen them. And more importantly, in wrapping this up, I had the very good fortune to get a huge bucket list band off my list as the Misfits. I saw the original Misfits in Oakland just about two or three days ago.

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It exceeded my expectations in every way. It was a big, huge arena production, but with a huge punk attitude. They still had nothing but disrespect for everybody else except for the people. I love that they played attitude in the encore. It was so good, dude. And the people on the stage in the arena were the only people that mattered to them in the universe at that time. I have to tell you, my dedication to the Misfits is renewed. I will be following them now without Glenn Danzig, which I have not done up to this point. But what they're doing without him is cool, too.

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I liked the one that has Dig Up Her Bones on it. That was a great album. I saw them on that one. It was good. Yeah, and I didn't really realize that they were so good. Michael Graves, I believe, was the singer. Yes, and the guy who's still... Well, in any case, they were amazing. And it's worth noting that Dave Lombardo played drums. And they just blew me away. It was everything I hoped it would be. I mean, those tickets were like $107.05. I would have paid twice that much.

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That's how good it was. I literally made a playlist off of the set list that you sent out, George. Thank you. And that was my breakfast. And George asked me what they played, and my answer was, and this is true, they played everything. I mean, I just realized I've seen the Misfits, but it was not with Glenn. Actually, I've seen them twice. What the hell? Wow. Which, by the way, there's a Jerry-only action figure, which I got to order. Yeah, I think he's never left. No, no, I mean, he was singing.

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Like a barbecue. Oh, right now. Yeah. That's it. That's the wrap up. I feel like I should say so much more about that show in particular, but it was it was fucking great, dude. So good. Nurgle was there and so was Dave. Or not Dave, but a Tom. The fuck? I exited Slayer, dude. Tom Araya? No, no, the exodus to the guitar player. Gary Holt? Oh, Gary Holt. Gary Holt. Gary Holt was there. What was the? Chuck Billy was there.

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Chuck Billy was at Iron Maiden. Yeah. All right. Yep. So weird fact and I'll let it go. That's the second time I run into Chuck Billy at an Iron Maiden show. And the second time, and I say this with pride, that I had better tickets than he did. So that's it. It was a great week and I appreciate the chance to recount it. You can disregard all that. Just go read my deal article. Right on. And John just got back from Prague Power. And I know you've got a recording that will be coming soon.

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Butler.

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Nobody had to lop off their elbow or anything like that. So it's kind of boring. Comparatively. I don't know if I've mentioned this, but your blood is, Will's blood is still on my jacket. I haven't washed it. That's not a joke. I'll send you guys a picture. I carry Will's DNA around with me. Don't wash it. Chase, this is what you missed at the Decimal Metal and Beer Festival. Blood, yachts, and craziness. Boats and blood. And can I say, I, I,

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I feel like T and I, T and I kind of fell in love at that podcast. So I really, I'm glad that you did that. You guys went to Prague party. I'm glad to hear his voice. Really? I think, I think, I think TR was like, what the hell is coming out of his ass? I have a distinct memory of that last night of feeling like he and I were annoying the shit out of you and John on the way back to the hotel. But like, TR is like that. I felt like I fell in love with him the last night too. I mean, he's just fallen lovable. He's very lovable. You're so lucky.

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Jay, you may have come up a few times after we had tacos at like, after five hours of beer drinking. All right. One more item before we get into the news. And that is that Adam Tepedelin, the author of the Beer Bible, will take it away. If you've been living under a rock and you have not been listening to this podcast, you may not know this, the, the,

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Messiah of Metal and Beer. The originator of the Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Beers, Adam Tepedelin, who writes for Decibel Magazine. He is coming out. So he came out with this Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Beers back in maybe 2011 or 12, John? Somewhere around that. Yeah. So John and I definitely had an early bonding because we decided for a fool's errand to drink every single

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15 or whatever beers that he are featured in this book. And we abused our livers and our wallets to accomplish the task. But Adam is writing a kind of like a sequel to Nothing But The Brutal Truth. And I think what essentially this is going to be is a collection of all his Brutal Truth columns that he wrote for Decibel Magazine, put in one book, but all of them updated.

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So he has a almost kind of, I don't want to say Kickstarter. It's not a Kickstarter. It's called Inkshares. Yeah. It's sort of like a GoFundMe type thing. Yeah, exactly. It's like a GoFundMe kind of thing. For Inkshares, there's a book company. But if you go to Inkshares and you look up Nothing But The Brutal Truth, and brutal is spelled B-R-E-W-T-A-L. Clever. And that's Inkshare.com. But we're going to have Adam on the podcast.

01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:39.560
probably next. Yes. Within the next couple weeks. He's become a friend to everybody in the podcast. We've interviewed him several times at the Decimal Metal Beer Fest. So we like him too. That's the cool thing that happens there sometimes. No, it's true. Like his book was the reason we even know who this guy is. And then we had the good fortune to get to know him, you know, at least in our small way. So yeah, he's a nice guy. So we want people to go support him. The point being here that he he's he's doing this.

01:39:39.940 --> 01:39:40.960
this funding project.

01:39:42.320 --> 01:39:44.060
And while we're going to have him on later,

01:39:44.130 --> 01:39:48.340
we want you to know about it now so that you can go out and pre-order the book.

01:39:48.860 --> 01:39:49.640
Make sure this happens.

01:39:50.390 --> 01:39:51.620
Go to inkshare.com.

01:39:51.690 --> 01:39:52.460
And as Will said,

01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:55.420
look up brutal B-R-E-W-T-A-L.

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As soon as you get that far,

01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:57.360
it's going to come up.

01:39:57.970 --> 01:39:58.540
Click on that.

01:39:59.080 --> 01:39:59.720
Pre-order it.

01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:00.460
You know,

01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:01.240
do it.

01:40:01.570 --> 01:40:04.060
We have a link directly from our Facebook page as well.

01:40:04.080 --> 01:40:04.980
It is on our Facebook.

01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.000
If you're too lazy to fucking Google something

01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:10.060
And the point is that he has to

01:40:10.140 --> 01:40:12.100
In all honesty, mute a certain threshold for this

01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:12.820
To be a success

01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:14.240
It's just like GoFundMe

01:40:14.980 --> 01:40:17.920
And it would be a real shame if somehow this did not

01:40:18.080 --> 01:40:20.280
Come to fruition simply for lack of people

01:40:20.500 --> 01:40:21.100
Knowing about it

01:40:21.200 --> 01:40:22.680
I think if people knew about it, they'd go do it

01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:23.800
I know I did

01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:25.260
I did?

01:40:25.440 --> 01:40:25.680
Me too

01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:26.780
I think I was the first one

01:40:27.060 --> 01:40:27.620
Go the distance

01:40:27.900 --> 01:40:28.020
Alright

01:40:31.140 --> 01:40:33.480
Alright, let's move on to the news

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If you build it, they will come. Did you know they're going to play a baseball game next year? What? Did you know that? There's going to be a major league game there at that field. Really? Yep. Yep. They're building a separate stadium next door.

01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:03.700
It's gonna be a stadium

01:41:03.770 --> 01:41:04.120
but it's gonna be

01:41:04.130 --> 01:41:04.360
right there

01:41:04.360 --> 01:41:04.720
Well, we'll come

01:41:08.200 --> 01:41:08.740
What's that?

01:41:10.360 --> 01:41:11.100
People you think

01:41:11.690 --> 01:41:13.000
like realistically

01:41:13.460 --> 01:41:14.000
how many people

01:41:14.050 --> 01:41:14.320
you think

01:41:14.330 --> 01:41:15.080
are gonna get that

01:41:15.320 --> 01:41:16.040
I think it's gonna

01:41:16.320 --> 01:41:17.140
sell out in a second

01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:18.800
I think it'S gonna

01:41:19.020 --> 01:41:19.820
sell out in a second

01:41:20.040 --> 01:41:20.560
but ultimately

01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:21.520
I just

01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:22.660
I have a friend

01:41:23.380 --> 01:41:24.100
who had never

01:41:24.280 --> 01:41:24.840
seen Rambo

01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:25.360
Oh, wow

01:41:27.420 --> 01:41:28.480
I have a buddy

01:41:29.080 --> 01:41:29.680
who had seen

01:41:30.620 --> 01:41:31.340
Terminator 1

01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.100
for the first time

01:41:33.100 --> 01:42:02.900
And he was like, man, this fucking Terminator movie is amazing. I'm like, have you seen the second one? Not yet. I'm like, well, you're in for a ride, buddy. You know, um, so I, if you could be mine, you know, I have to say to this, this calls to mind a very specific phenomenon of late, which is, I, I have supervised people at my work, unfortunately, but I supervised a bunch of people that were either not born on 9-11 or were so young. They don't remember it. They didn't know what the big goddamn deal was. So if you want to fucking,

01:42:04.440 --> 01:42:33.080
Oh yeah no I mean that's that's a rough one I my bandmates are like in their early 20s so it's for me there's a lot of translation where I I mean and my parents are older and a lot of them have younger parents and they're already younger so there's seems like there's this huge fucking generational gap yeah yeah so yeah it's a lot of stuff like that where uh like 9-11 being a thing

01:42:33.080 --> 01:43:01.840
that's like you just write about it right it's like vietnam or something i was playing video games i was i was playing a video game online with a bunch of guys who are younger than me recently and i used the term that's another a whole kettle of fish and they were like what the fuck are you talking about they all thought that was the craziest fucking thing they ever heard never heard the same that is that is that is that's a whole different generation from mine i actually don't know what you're talking about jay so oh you don't dude you're almost as old as us

01:43:03.080 --> 01:43:32.520
Well, Marcus-son, your comment is a whole other sack of weasels. For what it's worth, I just made that one up. For me, it's like one of those things. To meet friends who don't know what it's like to be able to smoke in a New York City subway platform fucks me up. Like, going to New York City for the first time, because, I mean, my dad lived in New York City. I was there back and forth. I grew up in New York.

01:43:32.580 --> 01:43:59.940
My parents moved to Florida. And then my parents split up right away. My dad moved right back to New York and he worked in the garment industry. And I was there all the time. So I grew up mostly around in and around New York City. And to go back then, you know, I went to try and go for college. It went way too fucking expensive after 9-11. So I moved to Philly, which was the closest thing. And the first time I really went back to New York, I was on tour.

01:44:02.580 --> 01:44:32.560
up a cigarette on the subway platform and it smacked me out of my hands like what the fuck is wrong with you you want to take it and i'm like yeah i was like it's not enough that the cigarettes are 19 a pack but now you can't smoke them on the fucking subway platform um and i flew on the last day you could smoke on a domestic flight i'll never forget that that's true that's true

01:44:32.580 --> 01:45:02.220
Jesus. Yeah, that's too old for me, man. I don't remember ever being able to smoke. But I do remember the ashtrays. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah, they were there for a while still. All right. Yeah. Anyway, this digression is my fault. I apologize. It's all right. So the first news item we have, Tool's new album, Fear Inoculum, debuted at number one on Billboard this week. I don't think that we have had an episode.

01:45:02.580 --> 01:45:05.340
where we talked about the tool album but

01:45:06.180 --> 01:45:09.720
there was an advanced track we did talk about we did talk about that but uh

01:45:10.660 --> 01:45:16.900
can i let can i let matt slug moss represent me here sure by reading his post i love it

01:45:18.260 --> 01:45:22.260
and he admits that tool is not a bad band he likes them but this was his his his thing

01:45:22.740 --> 01:45:26.960
listening to the new tool amazing how they can make 10 minutes feel like 10 minutes

01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:28.320
Yes, I saw that.

01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:31.740
Love that quote, dude.

01:45:32.220 --> 01:45:33.040
I like the music.

01:45:33.780 --> 01:45:34.940
I can't agree more.

01:45:35.160 --> 01:45:35.780
I like the music.

01:45:36.120 --> 01:45:45.780
I thought that Adam Jones teed up a lot of hooks for Maynard, and Maynard did not connect with them until the last track of the album.

01:45:46.180 --> 01:45:47.460
I think the world has passed them by.

01:45:47.530 --> 01:45:51.440
So much has happened musically that they just don't sound like the progressive thing they used to do to me.

01:45:52.620 --> 01:45:52.940
I get it.

01:45:53.020 --> 01:45:53.920
It's a real thing.

01:45:53.950 --> 01:45:54.820
I don't think it's bad.

01:45:54.820 --> 01:45:55.020
I just.

01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.360
Except for the fact that they're number one on Billboard.

01:45:58.820 --> 01:45:58.920
Yeah.

01:46:00.340 --> 01:46:02.720
I don't mean, yeah, no, trends have not followed that.

01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:05.600
There's a whole bunch of people who bought that album, made it number one on Billboard.

01:46:06.180 --> 01:46:08.740
There's a whole bunch of people who are like, eh.

01:46:09.380 --> 01:46:11.040
Actually, that was true with the lateralists too, though.

01:46:11.200 --> 01:46:13.700
I remember a lot of people were like, this isn't fucking, you know.

01:46:14.180 --> 01:46:15.660
Dude, I like the album a lot.

01:46:17.140 --> 01:46:24.960
But the best part of this news is Maynard posting an image of him as Thados, and Taylor Swift is disintegrating below him.

01:46:26.320 --> 01:46:54.960
And Taylor Swift fans are just losing their minds over this. Jay, you were going to say something? Who's Taylor Swift? Oh, yeah. I mean, I was going to say the first week streaming for an album, like 13 years in the making, is, I mean, of course you're going to get number one. You've hyped it up to the point where everybody now wants to check out what this thing is. We all checked it out. It's not like it is back with Lateralis, where you had to

01:46:55.040 --> 01:47:24.680
by the record. Now, whether this is going to stay on the charts, who the fuck gives a shit? Because we're all talking about the fact that it debuted at number one. Because they knew it was going to debut at number one. They strategized to the point where they waited until Old Town Road was going to be right at the end of it. And they hyped it up. And of course it was going to be number one. If it was not number one, I would have been surprised as shit. But at the end of the day, it's still Tool. It sounds exactly like it did back when it came out.

01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:54.120
And when it came out, it wasn't that fucking great. It was so par. It was like grunge for people who thought they were smart, too smart for grunge. So I have two. Let me sneak in with two thoughts there. One is because you reminded me one is Maynard said that. And I think he was just being sarcastic. Like we could have released this a while ago. He said this was a good record, a good record eight years ago. So there's that second, though. But to your point about sales, this is here is a shocking factory that they got to number one by sign 200.

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and I think 79,000 copies. 240 of those were physical copies. That's unheard of. That's crazy for this day and age. But I mean, think about the fact that like a few weeks prior, a week or two prior, I can't remember how much it was, but like their catalog became available digitally and all that shit went to the top. I mean, like their main fan base is so like, yeah, rabid. Yeah, exactly. It's so easy to game the charts.

01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:54.180
The whole Lil Nas X thing shows that the charts have about as much relevancy as the Guinness Book of World Record does this day. It's nothing. It's a fucking headline that used to be important but now is a marketing tool and it's easily gamed. And at the end of the day, it worked because we're all talking about how great this number one fucking tool record is. But like, it's a tool record. If it didn't sell well,

01:48:55.739 --> 01:49:23.000
That would be a fucking talking boy. But listen, Jay, rock is not a big seller in today's market. So for Tool to come in and take number one is actually a big deal because you do not see big rock bands taking that spot. It is the Taylor Swifts and whatever else is the unpopular radio. I don't know because I don't listen to radio. But that is a pretty big deal. You know, it's funny to talk about it.

01:49:23.040 --> 01:49:24.500
And yet, that should be undated.

01:49:25.260 --> 01:49:28.800
It's funny that you talk about manipulating the chart, though, too, and I don't disagree with you.

01:49:29.290 --> 01:49:33.740
But it was funny because of this other article thing I'm writing for the website.

01:49:33.890 --> 01:49:38.660
I kind of talked about the sound scan era a little bit, and also talking about some of us feeling old.

01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:44.120
John, I know more than anybody else will probably relate to the non-sound scan era.

01:49:44.250 --> 01:49:45.660
I think probably the other guys, too.

01:49:46.580 --> 01:49:50.340
The non-sound scan era before, when they did the Billboard chart, do you know what they did?

01:49:50.440 --> 01:50:19.000
They called record companies or record stores and said, what are you selling a lot of? And that was true until they introduced SoundScan, which was at the earliest in the 90s. I don't know when it started. So if you ever wondered why Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon has been on the charts for 500 weeks, it's because every time they call the college places, they're like, yeah, we're fucking sold a shit and loaded that. That's what it was. It was literally anecdotal information is how they used to get the charts. Yeah, it's absolutely true.

01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:19.820
I had no idea.

01:50:20.740 --> 01:50:47.660
Did anybody actually get the physical release? Because I did get the CD. Did you get the CD? Crazy. It has an actual HD video in it. And it's like seven minutes long. Wow. And it has like a speaker and everything too, doesn't it? It does. It has a cord that you can recharge the battery. Oh, wow. I was going to ask about that. I should send you like a video of it. But it's amazing.

01:50:49.880 --> 01:51:19.820
the packaging and doing something completely new. Of course, they're a band that has the clout to be able to do that kind of thing. I heard that they were selling these on eBay and stuff because they're low quantity, and so people are paying hundreds of dollars for this album. They reprinted. They did a second run because of the demand, but it wasn't a big one. It sold out in minutes when they did the second run of it. They're famous for that. That whole Salivelle box set, they did the same thing.

01:51:19.900 --> 01:51:26.300
You can get weird amounts of money for that on VHS. For whatever reason. Which is something I like by them.

01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:35.120
Does anybody still have the vinyl that came? Didn't they? They released a record. I want to say it was with Enema. Does this sound familiar to anybody?

01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:38.140
I have a vinyl copy that came with it.

01:51:40.540 --> 01:51:45.060
They've done vinyl before, but there's some. I haven't found vinyl at all.

01:51:46.020 --> 01:52:15.280
I heard that they're going to do a version of the vinyl and they're going to do a box set of it but I'll dig out what I have so you guys know I'm not completely making this up it's a weird thing that you mean or what like it's well it actually hang on let me go grab it all right well I can't believe we're still on this news I know just like Jay was saying it's been coming for 14 years of course we got to talk

01:52:17.340 --> 01:52:20.080
I just want to say something about Marcus's point about

01:52:21.540 --> 01:52:25.760
there not being a rock album that has hit the charts for a while

01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.480
because while there's a lull in conversation I figure it's worth mentioning

01:52:31.500 --> 01:52:37.340
it's not because there hasn't been any emphasis on it

01:52:38.479 --> 01:52:41.940
artistically I think nobody's just tried

01:52:41.960 --> 01:53:10.680
in such a long time to put a rock record on top. Since Ghost, maybe, other than Ghost, I can't think of anything that's tried to hit the charts. But when, for example, when we did the billboards, everybody was like, did they work? I can't believe, I can't believe, like, well, how did they work? And of course they fucking worked their billboards.

01:53:13.180 --> 01:53:14.800
I was thinking that.

01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:18.980
And then all of a sudden, you started seeing billboards for Knock Loose.

01:53:19.240 --> 01:53:21.240
You saw billboards for Integrity.

01:53:21.440 --> 01:53:23.200
You saw billboards for all these other people.

01:53:23.380 --> 01:53:34.220
But because people don't fucking think to put rock up there and give rock the same resources that you give dance music and everything else, it doesn't show up.

01:53:34.540 --> 01:53:39.600
But if you choose to game the system just like everybody else did, because that's what Maynard did.

01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:41.480
That's why I'm not impressed.

01:53:41.580 --> 01:54:10.640
because it's the first rock record in a while. It's just because Maynard saw fucking Lil Nas X and went, if a 19-year-old kid from middle America can make a pop country classic because he knows how to game the charts, I sure as shit could do it with 15 years in the making with my big-backed fucking record label album. Actually, for what that's worth, and this is an interesting fact about them, they're not really on a label. They're on their own label. They're famous for after,

01:54:11.620 --> 01:54:18.180
that literally their record company let their contract expire out of sheer forgetfulness.

01:54:19.300 --> 01:54:20.880
Yeah, it was a zoo entertainment.

01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:24.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah.

01:54:25.100 --> 01:54:27.540
No, I mean, there's a lot of good rock records out there.

01:54:27.670 --> 01:54:32.200
They're just not promoting well because nobody, because that's not the landscape now.

01:54:32.380 --> 01:54:33.780
People don't want rock as much.

01:54:34.190 --> 01:54:37.980
So just to move us on, Matt, can you share your, share your...

01:54:38.000 --> 01:55:07.900
So I'm pretty sure this came with Enema because it just says side A is stink fist and opiate and side B is sober and prison sex. And so I'm pretty sure I got it when I bought Enema, which would have been the last physical copy of Tool I bought. It's glow in the dark. I see. Cool. Do you have the others ones on vinyl? No, I don't have anything on vinyl. I actually do, believe it or not.

01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:37.920
And I got Inema or Anima or whatever it is a while back. And then I realized I think it was a bootleg, but it's a really, really good one. Or at least a pirate. Yeah, I think mine is too. But in any case, I will say let's move forward. Let's move forward. All right. So Carcass teased their new album in a tweet celebrating their sixth anniversary of Surgical Steel. I believe it was today. And they mentioned that we should be looking for a new album soon.

01:55:37.980 --> 01:55:41.160
So hopefully we will hear something about that

01:55:42.020 --> 01:55:43.380
Was there a little clip of music?

01:55:43.430 --> 01:55:46.480
No, it was just the album cover for Surgical Steel

01:55:47.980 --> 01:55:49.760
They mentioned the new album

01:55:50.200 --> 01:55:52.280
and said it's coming, watch this space

01:55:52.460 --> 01:55:54.280
So I think that

01:55:54.360 --> 01:55:55.820
it could be this year

01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:58.260
It'll be this year, I'm going to go on a record

01:55:58.400 --> 01:56:00.160
It was supposed to be this year

01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:01.220
We'll see

01:56:01.900 --> 01:56:04.680
Carcass has been my most anticipated for like three years

01:56:07.440 --> 01:56:07.960
Yeah

01:56:07.980 --> 01:56:37.060
So on October 18th, Rob Halford is releasing a Christmas album. Just in time for Halloween. Indeed. It's going to be called Celestial. And okay, I'll just say this hard pass. I'll listen to it. I mean, you know, it's actually his second Christmas. That's right. Oh, I didn't know that. That's right. No, there's something about like snowflakes and motorcycles or something.

01:56:39.860 --> 01:57:07.940
Three Winter Songs in 2009. It's gonna be like Christmas songs that get a metal makeover, but it also has like four original songs on it and they released one video for the one of the new songs called Donner and Blitzen. It's actually pretty rockin'. I couldn't tell it was a Christmas album, but I kind of wish there were actual reindeers in it and like in leather jackets or possibly Rob Half and ride on Blitzen and like tossing

01:57:08.140 --> 01:57:37.940
and guitars, down chimneys. Instead, it's just Rob and his friends performing in a badly decorated Christmas garage. For what it's worth, though, I take back my hard pass based solely on Marcason's testimony, and I'm on board. I'm totally on board now. Fair enough. Jay, listen, it's a song. I mean, it just basically is a pre-song. It just happens to be Christmas. I was shocked. It was much better than I thought. Incidentally, the first rumblings, the first rumblings of the

01:57:37.940 --> 01:58:07.800
It's possible, starting to look possible, that K.K. Downing may go back to Judas. Yep. It's going to happen. It will. It will. They're floating it out now, so they don't look like idiots when they do it. But anyway. And do a Crowhurst Christmas album, by any chance? Please. It's a very prolific. You tell him to go fuck himself. That's okay. You don't have to hold back. No. No, that's, I mean, the opposite. Yeah. I am working on a track.

01:58:09.080 --> 01:58:37.920
I am working on a track right now where it's me with Sam Ray from Ricky and Acid slash what are they fucking called now? God, he's fucking had to change his name. I think it's called American Pleasure Club. They used to be called Teen Suicide. They're a run for cover band. They're really good. But me and him and hopefully someone else that spoiled the fun to

01:58:37.980 --> 01:58:38.880
And the last person

01:58:39.300 --> 01:58:41.920
Wait, so are you going to cover Rudolph the Red-Nosed Rednier?

01:58:41.990 --> 01:58:42.940
Is that what you're trying to say then?

01:58:43.360 --> 01:58:45.140
No, it wouldn't be anything like that

01:58:45.310 --> 01:58:47.840
But it would be cool, hopefully, if I can pull it together

01:58:48.500 --> 01:58:49.820
You know, we'll see

01:58:50.100 --> 01:58:54.160
But yeah, I'm going to do something holiday-ish

01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:56.200
Cool

01:58:57.130 --> 01:58:57.640
Sign me up

01:58:58.300 --> 01:59:01.460
So, uh, Niall is going to release

01:59:02.820 --> 01:59:04.100
A new album called

01:59:07.480 --> 01:59:07.920
Vile

01:59:08.320 --> 01:59:37.860
And they released a new song called Long Shadows of Dread. I actually only listened to a few seconds of it. It's good. Honestly, I think they're settling in with this new lineup now. I did not like the first one without Dallas that much. It also just might have been a little long in the tooth or something. There's something new going on here, is all I'm saying. I liked it. I thought it was a good track. I agree with that. I mean, I love Niall, the old school Niall stuff. This one doesn't have a lot of Egyptian stuff on it.

01:59:37.940 --> 01:59:40.660
And it looks like they're no nonsense. They're really

01:59:42.220 --> 01:59:43.660
going to put out a good death metal album.

01:59:44.140 --> 01:59:46.240
But that's a departure in and of itself,

01:59:46.700 --> 01:59:48.540
the Egyptian thing. So we'll see.

01:59:49.080 --> 01:59:50.300
I don't know. I dug the track.

01:59:50.820 --> 01:59:52.760
It gave me hope. And the last record just did not

01:59:53.140 --> 01:59:54.100
hold my attention very well.

01:59:54.260 --> 01:59:55.520
I'm a Tham Nile fan.

01:59:57.080 --> 01:59:58.800
So Cattle Decapitation

01:59:59.040 --> 02:00:00.620
announced their new album, Death

02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:02.900
Atlas, out on November

02:00:03.120 --> 02:00:05.040
29th. And they released the first song

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One Day Closer to the End of the World.

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That I did listen to and that I did like

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It's going to be great

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I think I'm going to keep my comments lower than I have before

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because I have a feeling this one's going to really

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come through this year-end list like a record

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You know, because our year-end episode is probably going to be like days after this

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so we're going to have to

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We better get a promo

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so we can listen to it ahead of time

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The song was really good

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It ripped

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I listened to it, but I

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I thought when he did the quasi-clean vocals that they were just sort of different than, I don't know, like more clean than they were in the past. And he did it longer than I remember. And I was all in until he did that. And I was like, oh, okay, you know, here comes the, you know, you got to do these clean vocals now. Okay, go ahead and do them.

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Well, first of all, you're using the word, the term clean loosely. Well, yeah. Less dirty. I've been traveling backwards, kind of preparing for these guys, this one and traveling backwards to some of the stuff I don't know in there stuff. And there's a great record that one of their one record I've been listening to a lot is the Harvest Floor, which is two, three records ago. Fuck, that's a good record, dude. Anyway, but that might have the better mix of what you're talking about. I will. The more, a more palatable version. Yeah. It's stronger than.

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The One After That.

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Harvest Floor came out at a really interesting time. It was weird because right around that time there was this real rejection of any sort of a deathcore sound, anything that could be considered core by the ultra true. So you had a lot of records coming out that were really creative takes on death metal like Trample the Weed, Curdled the Dead,

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the decapitation record you're talking about that had like super cool takes on that and now you've got uh cattle decapitation coming out with this record that when i first heard this uh i mean this track rather um i first off the production's incredible uh hats off to dave otero for doing another insane production job uh but musically structurally first thing that came into my head was planetary duality by the faceless um

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Did you like the last record? I thought it was good. It was alright. I mean, I listened to it once when it came out. It wasn't something that I felt like I needed to run back to a lot. Mostly because my Cattle Decapitation is Human Jerky EP. Cattle Decapitation on 3G Records is very different than Cattle Decapitation in 2019. Oh, for sure.

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It's a fucking different band. So it's hard for me to objectively look at Cattle Decapitation and go, "Oh, I love this!" because, you know, it's like, you know, I don't expect them to be the same band. They're not. They're not. Not by a long shot. Yeah. Not by a long shot. But it is interesting to look at that analytically and say, "Oh, well, these clean parts with the auto-tune remind me a lot of what was going on in 2008, 2009."

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which was the same shit they were trying to rebel against when they made the Harvest Floor. It's funny though. It's funny that I like all of your insights on this because there are certain bands that occupy that space for me where I'm just like, yeah, I know, you really like this new thing they're doing, dude, but you should have been there when? And it's funny because these guys don't. For me, I... And it's so funny to be on the other end of that fence for a change because I'm usually on your side of the fence where I'm like, nah, dude, they were sort of established for me with Kill Them All or Xayu or whatever the fuck.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so that's interesting to hear your viewpoint. Yeah, it's not to take away from their current work. I think their current work's great, but it's hard for me to look at a band, like you said, in the same way it's hard to look at Metallica with the Black album in the same way after coming with all the big thrash records. I mean, you just look at the footage, and you can look it up on YouTube of the premiere of the Black album, Madison Square Garden, and the collective, what the fuck is this?

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from everybody who is just like, this isn't thrash. So it's not to take away from those compositions. It's just, it's hard for me to separate from, oh, he's not singing about the insane poor shit. You're speaking our language, man, trust me. Especially when you got into the Black album. So yeah, we're all on the same page with that. Except for me. Yeah, except for George.

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Who will sarcastically defend it to his death. All right. So our last news item, which we touched on briefly already, Tripticon will release the live recording from the Requiem show early next year and hope to have a new album in 2020 as well. And this Requiem show of which we speak was at Roadburn, where Jay played this year. So did you catch this set?

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I caught a little bit of it. I've been running around between places and it was just so fucking hard to get there. It was first thing in the morning and by the time you got anywhere close, you know, it was like three quarters of the way. Right. Well, you get the opportunity to hear it now. Yeah, I wasn't, apparently I wasn't the only person that wanted to hear the Requiem set. Shocking.

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Yeah, you know, that's the thing about instrument shows.

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I love that. Tom's doing a little victory lap this summer. He came out and he did the Hellhammer stuff. He did this. That's good. That's great stuff. I can't wait until they release it. I'm just as excited for this as I am for the Trypticon.

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I mean, they were great at Decibel, and I'm happy that we're going to get some Trypticon releases on the horizon. A little bit disappointed we're not getting a new album this year, but something to look forward to.

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next year. I mean, we saw him a couple days later while they were jet lagged from Roadburn. Yeah, that's right. It was literally a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. I hope they do what King Diamond does. And instead of going out and bringing a bunch of acts that absolutely do not need the exposure, they go out and bring some people that, you know, like actually will help carry the torch because King Diamond is bringing

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I don't know what I'm saying.

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They deserve it these days

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And you know to draw back to

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To the point that you made Markisan about you know, there's no interest in

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In the mainstream for rock music. Well, it's like there is because King Diamond will sell out these arenas

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But if they don't bring another young act, there will never be another arena-sized audience exposed to young bands

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So let's hope that Trypticon continues that tradition. That's how I learned about music in the 80s. You know, it's like I would go to see a major band like say Megadeth and then I would learn about Warlock and Sanctuary and Annihilator and bands like that because I went for the opening bands. I actually I feel like the old school like us, you know, we go to see these bands.

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We love for years and years. And if they bring a new band on, we will be interested in what they're doing. I don't feel that's the same way for new audiences because they're more focused on songs and stuff like album. But the exception to that rule is Iron Maiden who consistently bring their kids bands with them. We are not the guys who go for the headliners. We are there when the show starts because we want to see what they're bringing with. Except for Iron Maiden.

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Nobody who learns about new bands goes for the band they learn about. That's the beautiful part of it. That's the whole bit. Nobody's like, "Fuck, I can't wait to hear about this band I've never heard about on this ticket for a band that I love." Of course, it's not like audiences now are different. Everybody wanted to see KISS play Detroit Rock City then and now. Nothing's fucking changed. I don't.

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Or Blue Yister called Don't Fear the Reaper. My point is that, like, you know, recently there's this drop-off. You see all these revival acts touring, and they don't bring young bands out. You don't see this next generation of kids getting the same due that the bands in the 90s had to get because ultimately it was Clear Channel who was like, fuck, man, we gotta get some sort of talent.

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that's gonna draw. What are the kids like? Indie labels were the only thing to pick from because they didn't have Facebook. So like, you know, now there isn't that. Now it's just fucking, well, if a promoter brings on an extra new band, that's an extra mouth to feed. That's an extra liability. That's right, yeah. Well, they might not draw. But you gotta take the fucking risk. Because if you're constantly playing the safe bet, you're not gonna have

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any new bands to play those arenas. And you're just going to have a bunch of fucking DJs, which is cool. But we're, you know. You never know when a new band is going to blow up, too. So if you bring them on tour, you just never know what's going to happen with that band. They could have eclipsed your band, even if you're, you know, been around for a long time. So I do like that part of it. I like discovering new bands when I go to see a band, especially an old band, you know, that's been around for 20 years or something.

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All right, let's move on to the new releases.

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First up, we have a band that I know.

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Markisan likes Atlantean Codex and their third album, The Course of Empire.

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Let me suggest you just go right through these.

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Just fucking nail them.

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Just spit them out.

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Unless you wanted to say something about the line. Briefly. I don't know. This album is fantastic. I mean, I think it's a classic album. Perfect. George, next. All right. Next up, we have the album from Cognizance, Malignant Domain. This is the first album of a UK tech death band. And I thought I knew them, but I didn't, obviously, because it's their first album. But I really like it. You should check it out.

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I know Cognizant. They're good. Yes, they are. Do you know them personally or are you just another? You just have unnecessary clean vocals. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I played with them, like, I think our second UK tour. They're really good. They're heavy as shit. Yeah, they are. Awesome. Next up, we have the new Philadelphia doom metal band, Crypt Sermon and the Ruins of Fading Light. It's their second album.

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Good. Yeah. What he said. See, not as good as Atlantis, but pretty good. It's pretty good. I like this. Let's get Marcus and we can compare them all to the first one. Let's just keep going through. I love this. I've been singing the praises. I've been listening to this album a lot. And I didn't know Atlantean Codex was going to release an album until after we got this one.

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So, yeah, I mean, Atlantean Codex, Johnny C, you can write it down. That is my album of the month. It's not close for me. Wow. So, Atlantean Codex is by far the best album. Is it Sermon an A? Yes. Crip Sermon is great, and it will be on my top list. But, yeah, it doesn't come close to Atlantean Codex. So, it's funny, in asking if Atlantean starts with an A, I'm wondering if you thought it started with the,

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So next we have the new long-awaited release from Disillusion, The Liberation. This is the third album of German Prague Death. I gotta say, their first album, Back to Times of Splendor, was amazing, but that was like a million years ago. Their second album,

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But this album, I finally gave it a good listen today, and holy shit. Wow. Yeah, it's good. It's a good blend of mellow death, prog, and folk. I thought it was warm, really good, lush production on it. I definitely want to spend more time on it, George. It was pretty good. Yeah, I didn't hear any folk music at all on it, but it's good. I had listened to, I guess, a song or two that came out earlier, and I forgot about it, and then Yanni.

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Yanni.

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All right.

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Anyway.

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So next up is the new infant annihilator album.

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The battle of Yaldabaoth.

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I don't know how to say that.

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There's an A.O.

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I don't know how A.O.

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Yaldabaoth is pronounced.

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But you know, this is this is labeled as death core, which.

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But, you know, if you look up on Wikipedia death core, it is a mix of death metal and metal core.

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And this is a mix of death metal and grindcore, which is infinitely better than metalcore. I don't know about that, but I felt very dirty after listening to this. I felt like I needed to be cleaned with a fire hose kind of dirty. Particularly after the last track. Griny, nasty tech tech. It's so great to see them follow through with the joke and just take this to its logical conclusion.

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I think 2019 2020 is the year meme bands are gonna just be the fucking thing. That's the thing. Like, Nambir Death Camp is playing festivals. Like, I love Noah, and I think that it's a cool project, but Noah will also say to you that it is a meme, and it is the same as Infinite Annihilator. But the thing with Infinite Annihilator is that it follows in the long tradition of slamming

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The filthy disgusting everything now is just a rip on like what was going on and the best days of myspace

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And in the best days of myspace

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Everybody's little brother had a project that sounded like infant annihilator that they programmed on fruity loops

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I had one called fruit future grave and it had plenty of family guy samples and all that shit

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And yeah, oh, yeah, like

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Let me just stop you there. Future Great, that's a great name. Yeah, I love the name. Yeah, it was terrible. Everybody's fucking stupid slam project was terrible. And it was about conceptually as terrible as Infinite Annihilator. But you know what? That's the whole fucking genre, to be as filthy and terrible as possible. So congrats to them for fucking filling out the joke to the point where

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They're mentioned in the same breath as Crips. Like, that's a fucking skill. I fucking love this album. That's taking the joke to Lena. Yeah. George, the next one on the list, I gotta tell ya. Don't they release a record every time we do a podcast? Are you kidding me? Migwa. I just feel like for some reason their name comes up so much. Migwa. Migwa. Yeah, it's an L, but it's pronounced as a W. Because they're Polish. Migwa, age of excuse.

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They just released their fourth album. It kind of came out of nowhere. It was like, hey, they're going to have an album out. Boom, here's the album. And I dig it. I do. I listen to a lot of extreme death metal these days, but this was extreme enough in the black metal vein to catch my attention. I agree, George. It was really good. I quite enjoyed it. I mean, I've liked almost all their releases. I like it.

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I don't know where it would go on my list at the end of the year you know it's a weird one like where do I slot that it's gonna be a difficult year end for sure yeah it will be especially the second half is crazy it's a September is actually I think is the hardest it is gonna be it is gonna be a big deal I mean August was kind of the doldrums as it usually is September is picking up again October

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There's some stuff in there. And then like November, December. Well, other than obviously we've got a cattle decab in November. Yeah. And who knows if that Marcus album is going to drop. It seems like. Well, it's going to shut up. You got to believe Marcus. You got to stop with this. I don't know if it's going to. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. Ease his pain. Seriously, September is like raise my bitchiness because I don't know what the fucking year on looks like. Yeah. I thought Crowhurst was going to take it.

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But now I'm talking to you. They've taken it. I got 24 other slots. We got another record coming out in November. That's in common. I got 23 other slots to fill. I thought you were going to say, I thought Crowhus was going to take it. Then we met that guy and he's such a douchebag. No, I'm kidding. You've been a great guest. No, seriously, talking to you has only elevated it. Thank you so much. It's been a real, real joy talking to you guys. We're like having you here.

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It's a joy talking to us. Jay, we're still going. So, you know, you have like at least another hour. It's a joy talking to you. Oh, thank you. I have not had a chance to fully, as they say in wrestling terms, shoot on Prophecy. So, this has been my first chance to publicly vent. Is that something you want on record? They're not listening. Okay.

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They don't pay attention to shit. Based on what you've said, I believe that. If they cared enough to be listening, I would be worried. But they don't care. I don't think it has to do with popularity. They don't check the Crowhurst Facebook and read what we're doing.

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we're playing when we post about them. They posted about us four times since we signed. I don't think they're focused on anything other than what's directly in front of them. And I don't think that's us. So yeah, I haven't had a chance to shoot on Prophecy. And I know you guys are fun to shoot on Prophecy. Oh yeah. We're good for whatever. Yeah. We'll go burn that place down. Yeah. Seriously, I got to have my Google

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I was hoping that they would be a good fit for you guys and I know the album sold out and you know all this other stuff was happening behind the scenes so you know I hope you can get out of that and find a better record company and just a better promoter I kind of figured there was something like that going on when you were talking about how you couldn't release things and you weren't sure if you could talk about things I was like that doesn't sound like a good

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Right.

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You know, I just wish that it was a situation where, because I came out of a really wonderful relationship with Crown and Throne, who do, you know, that's who primitive man goes to when they're not releasing with relapse, to give you an idea of, you know, their stature, at least to a lot of people, and their ease of work, ease of working with Garth, who is just one of the most wonderful human beings on the planet, is a real big

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He's just such a lovely person. And I think, you know, coming from that to Prophecy, where I just felt really fucked at every turn, it was rough. You know, like, I don't think that there's going to be a problem, like, going further.

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as far as like you know once i'm done they own all the rights to

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everything either they'll re-release shit or they'll sell the rights to someone else or license

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the rights to someone else to re-release shit like i i wish i i have no problem with them i just

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wish that like they treated me a little bit better and like i hope they don't the the bands that i know

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that are working with them that are my friends i hope they don't make the same mistake with them

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because they make really cool art too. I can go ahead at this point and go over Prophecy's head and do certain things like get a PR person because ultimately what are they going to do? Drop me for getting a publicist to promote the album on their label? Take me to court. Put that on the fucking record. I don't give a shit. Take me to court for getting a publicist to promote the album on your label. Those types of things.

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I don't fear. Drop me. So and let somebody else like reap the benefits of somebody, an artist that's willing to get billboards from you. Like, or work with me. And like, I will be your fucking prize pony. I'll be your Seabiscuit. God damn it. Like, all I've ever wanted to do was sell somebody so many fucking records and take like 35% of that shit.

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Why doesn't anybody fucking... I do all the legwork. Holy shit. You know, just like... Can you please start a band called Prize Pony? Because that is phenomenal. That'll be out next week. My seventh band. Yeah, exactly. All right, we've got one more new release. The band is called... I don't know how the fuck do you say this,

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But Mismore? It's spelled squiggle squiggle squiggle? Yeah. But this is the... If you haven't noticed, the squiggle squiggle squiggle is... Holy shit, Will's alive. But it was like this, wasn't it? It literally went like this. Yeah. If you haven't... It's Mismore. So, okay, so this is their third album, Cairn, and they're a Portland, Oregon, Black Doom band.

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And, you know, people dig this shit, I think, a little bit. Yeah, I don't like Portland, but this is really beautifully crafted, slow, dreary black metal. Kind of trips off your speakers like caramel on an apple. It's like doomy, but it's blacky. It's, yeah. It's like a brutal caramel apple. I like that. Exactly.

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If you're gonna pick one metal record from a new band that has come out this year, and I use new quotations because they released Yod a few years ago, which ultimately should have been as big as this release, but I think this is the year of Gilead, even though we say that every year Gilead puts out a bunch of albums with that artist cover.

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Oh, I like it, yeah.

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But, you know, like, they did it with fucking Bellwitch, they did it with Fuming Mouth, they've done it with fucking Mims more from before, and now Mims more again. This record is incredible. It's every bit as much of a personal triumph as 3 was to me. And I think it's, like, as far as what the artist has put into it,

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It's absolutely monumental. And I think one of those things that could only happen in a time where you could be recording a million guitar tracks at home. This couldn't exist in a time where you had to rely on magnetic tape because you would fucking fill a room. Yeah. So let me ask you this, Jay. So what is your album of the year so far then? Discounting yours. Still Victory is a dark blue record. Yes. Okay.

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I mean, I don't listen to a lot of metal, but it's hard to, it's like fucking Barry Linden. Even if you don't appreciate long historical ethics, you look at that and go, man, Kubrick did one motherfucker of a job on that. Like, not for me, but Jesus. Like, you know, like that's, that's kind of how I view like a lot of that Gilead stuff. It's a lot of it is, how do I,

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It's too smart for me. I like my metal really ignorant because I like fucking stupid load records like Cro-Magnon punch you in the face metal. Like metal that's really, really smart like Neurosis I look at from afar like a painting and I love it and I appreciate it. And I appreciate it artistically and the doors that a lot of things like fucking Bellwitch making a 90-minute

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Epic does for someone like me who makes a shitty drone record in my basement. Y'all validated that. So now, like, you know, that's interesting because you make smart metal. You do not make caveman metal. Right? So what you like and what you make are completely different things. Let me break in here real quick and just tell you about a funny story.

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Stanley Kubrick, me, my sauce, since you brought up Stanley Kubrick. And it will break things up. And in any case, it said, everybody knows Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing, but he was such a perfectionist that he insisted they go and film it on location. Nice. The greatest meme. So it's like the world's most expensive movie in which we went to the moon to fake the moon. And I'm not one of those fake the moon landing guys, but I love that. Why don't we?

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move on to our top five

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list

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we made a list

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right now

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oh god

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I just want to chime in one thing. Yeah. That Ms. Moore is going to be playing Atlas on October 2nd with Hell and Ilsa. That is so unfortunate that Deep Purple is that night. Yeah, how unfortunate for you? I would say as far as referencing earlier, that's like one of those tours that it would be almost like

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Missing Deep Purple. Early on. These guys are fucking insane. And hell does not tour out. Hell does not tour out. Mimsmore does not tour out. And you can fucking watch Deep Purple play live in their prime and now on YouTube in 4K. But to stand there in front of all the amps while these dudes do their thing in their prime.

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I mean, I hate to say you're lost if you're going to go see fucking Deep Purple, but in comparison, you're lost.

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I hear you.

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All right. Well, let's move on to that top five list then. And I asked Jay what he would like to do for a top five list. And I said, why don't you ask our guest? I asked the other Jay.

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And he almost immediately sent me back this huge list of ideas that I'm like, wow, I'm going to hold on to these. But we decided to go with top five music documentaries. So, Jay, I don't know if you know how we do this, but essentially we start with a guest, which is you, and you give us your number five, and then we go all and give our number five.

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number five and then we come back to you and you give your number four and we work our way down to our number one so based on that would you like to give us your number five music documentary absolutely uh number five is tad's busted ears and ringing circuits do not know that one please explain play the crickets search it's really great i was gonna say it's it's it's the story of the band

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it would be Nirvana.

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Oh.

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Mm-hmm.

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It is the band, all the record companies wanted to, you know, they picked before Nirvana.

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They're the guys who built grunge.

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But unfortunately, due to a series of unfortunate events, it just didn't work out that way.

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You know, lawsuits and whatnot brought on by stupid things like they had an album called Inhaler.

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And they had a poster, Bill Clinton smoking a joint.

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They got sued for that.

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Or just stupid shit. And eventually the labels dropped them, picked up Nirvana, and the rest was history. But Tad were the ones who helped invent, pretty much abandoned Grunge. I have those Tad albums, actually. They're fantastic. I mean, they're not as good as Nirvana, but I would definitely like to check out that documentary. Yeah, it's a different story.

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It's interesting to watch that documentary and then listen to those TAD albums with new context. If you listen to them, you're right. They're not Nirvana. They lack the femininity and a lot of times the kind of sensitivity that Nirvana has and that's made them special. It's interesting to think about what would happen to culture if things didn't work out as

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they did and we got tad instead of right huh cool all right mark us on what's your number five yeah i mean it's it's interesting because mine is a little bit similar my number five is anvil the story of anvil from 2009 this is uh it's basically spinal tap in real life it's a heavy metal band uh that influenced a lot of big bands like metallica you know

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And they just never made it. And so they've been scrounging for enough cash to make records, to tour. But they've only really played small venues when this documentary came out. And, you know, it's sad, this documentary, because it's a band that's really dedicated to what they're doing, but they just never made it.

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But I'll say this. There are also a couple of meatheads. You know what I mean? I mean, they're super. I mean, the thing about the documentary is that I don't really like them. I don't really like their music, but I root for them in the documentary. Yeah. Right. I want them. They've been at this point. They've been going on for almost 50 years. They're still putting out albums and they have become successful since the documentary. I think the documentary kind of, you know,

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I'm a shot in the arm. But at the time, you know, they're not off the charts. But yeah, they've had a better career since. Yeah, I did a Kickstarter for whatever it was they did for them for. I don't know if it was Juggernaut of Justice or the one after that. It was Juggernaut of Justice because I don't I think that was the last one they did to fund me for. Yeah. And like literally to the left of me, I have two framed items that I received because I put an extra bit of money into it.

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I have a signed set list and a handwritten lyric sheet for metal on metal. Okay. And also the last song on that must be metal on metal, right? Actually, actually it's born to be wild. Well, it's a song on the documentary. No, it's a, you know, it's a very personal documentary. You know, it's really lit and the drummer.

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Yeah, that's right. I don't know why that escaped me because it's a very famous name for a director. Yeah, those two have been together 14 years old. And, you know, now they're in their 60s and they're still going. And they just it's the times pass them by. Yeah. I'm sure you caught this, Marcus. It was just like in the last few months, Chris Sangarides died, who's the producer.

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They were trying so hard to afford it. Let's move on to Matt. My number five. I love this documentary because I love this band. Probably the most recent on my list. Death by Metal. Yes. Which is about the band Death and Chuck. Death. It's a really good documentary. I bought it on DVD.

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Huge fans of death. Yes. Yeah. All right, John. So my number five should make George and Jay happy. I'm not a big fan of this band, but I thought the documentary is well done and it's a excellent name for the documentary. 2014. We are twisted fucking sisters. It's a great documentary. It's really good. It is. It's such an interesting time. I learned so much about the music scene in New York.

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Yeah, it's a good doc. All right, Will. Matt is a serial killer in Matt's house right now. We're here. Talk to us, baby. Will, what's your number five? My number five, rigor mortis. Welcome to your funeral. I went a little, I went in a slightly different approach and I only picked documentaries that I own. Fair enough. That's the way to go. I hear you. Awesome. All right, Jay.

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Marcuson captured it perfectly also not a fan of the band but I really think Anvil the story of Anvil is one of the better documentaries about a metal band that's for sure and a very good music documentary it was it there's a lot it works on a lot of levels don't really care much about them but I love that movie and I and I love love that the title of that movie is Anvil the story of Anvil

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That's a brilliant title. Jay, you know where they got that from, right, Jay? I don't know. Tonight I'm going to rock it tonight. Yes! Tonight I'm going to rock it tonight. All right. My number five was already said by Matt. Death by Metal. The death documentary. I just saw that like a week or two ago, finally. And, yeah. What? I know.

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Well, I bought it a while ago, but I hadn't watched it yet. And I was like, hey, I got to watch this. I only watched it two or three months ago, George, but I loved it. I had this premonition that somebody was going to ask me to do my top five documentaries and I better watch it. I love it. It's not on my top five, but it is a great, it's, I mean, I love death. So it was really cool to have that come out. And learn this. I learned a lot. One of the things you got to love about it. So let's take this back around.

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Jay, number four. All right, this is going to be a weird one because it's less about the artist and more about the artist-fan relationship. It's called I Think We're Alone Now. It's a documentary about Tiffany. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, it's a weird documentary to frame as a music documentary, but I think it's an interesting documentary in terms of, like I said, the fan-artist relationship.

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Because it's so strange to see how music

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that can seemingly be so mundane can affect people in such profound ways.

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And the people it can affect, the certain ripple effects it can take.

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Doesn't that want to focus on the fans exclusively, Jay?

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And they're just really obsessed with Tiffany, right?

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It does ultimately cover briefly, but it doesn't necessarily need to cover more than briefly. Tiffany's kind of feeling about this level of insane fandom. But I don't, it covers it in a very concise way. And I think dwelling on it would be, it would serve against the point of the film.

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I see it. I'm interested. Yeah. The fact that you have main characters who are constantly just aching for every, any bit of dialogue from Tiffany and, uh, you know, the fact that the res, you get the same amount of resolution as they do is a really interesting way to construct the film. And I think it, it makes it very compelling. Yeah. I would say. I, I feel that exact same way about Crowhurst. I don't know if you

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I really want to briefly, briefly, quickly suggest a documentary that I can never get people to watch.

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That is something like what you're talking about. It's called Room 247. I don't know if you guys, has anybody seen this?

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I know it's on my list on iTunes.

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It's about people who are obsessed with The Shining and are convinced that The Shining has any number of narratives to it that are not, that probably aren't there.

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One of them is the covering of the moon launch. One of them is the American Indian cultural life in America. And they are so I'm not into the conspiracy thing, but they are. They're so convinced some of these people and you and you kind of see how they fell down this rabbit hole. I cannot recommend this movie highly enough. Room 247. So fucking good. It's a super intelligent watch. Yeah, super well done. It's not it's not so heady that you'll have trouble with it. It's just cool. I loved it. Any case.

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I'll watch that. Mark is on. But it kind of, the way Jay described the Tiffany thing kind of calls that to mind. There's a level of obsession in it. Let's put it that way. The Tiffany documentary is very good. You know, I consider that actually for my list. It's on my list now. I mean, to see. Yeah. Definitely watch it, Jay. I think you'll get something out of it. It's very good. My number four is Metallica, some kind of monster from 2004. I think this is the kind of documentary you

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always hope for but you rarely get it's a very extremely personal look at a mega mega popular band um you get to see all their warts all their challenges um as they make their album saint anger which uh was a while ago now um i mean i think at the time jason newsted quit the band james hetfield was in rehab there was like this power struggle for between hetfield and lars ulrich the drummer um the band went to therapy so it's

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It's a really tense, emotional documentary that kind of highlights how hard it is, I think, to write an inspired album. But I think they wanted to write an inspired album. And with everything going on, the outside, the inside pressures, it made it difficult. And I think that's what makes the documentary good. I haven't liked the band since the album won. But, you know,

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I agree with everything you said but I can't watch it because of how uncomfortable I feel watching it and it's also it was made by two of my favorite filmmakers by the way the guys who did the Paradise Lost movies if you've seen those oh yes which by the way Metallica did this Metallica they used their songs in that soundtrack so they had formed a relationship with them one of those guys died he did this documentary was actually better than the St. Anger album itself

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Way better. It's actually a great documentary, even if you don't care for the album, which none of us do. The documentary is excellent. But I will never watch it again because it makes me so uncomfortable. I saw it in the theater and I actually have a poster of it in the bar that I got at the movie. But I haven't watched it either. But a fine choice. I think it speaks to how well it's done that I can't watch it. And I misspoke because I'm hammered. Not the album one, but just.

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We assumed. We did the math. We assumed. All right. I'm correct myself here. Matt, your number four. My number four. Somebody I'd also kind of describe as untouchable in that the film is Lemmy, 49% motherfucker, 51% son of a bitch. Yep. I know it. I've seen it. I own it. I'm going to add something to that.

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about tragedy. And I'll just leave it at that. I mean, it's because it's really it's Lemmy at his most breathless. You're leaving it at that. You're right. That's all I have to say about that. That's all I got to say about that. But I love Motorhead. But for me, like the most pivotal scene is where the guys he's in his apartment. He's like, hey, I'm looking at all this stuff you own. What's the most important thing to you? He's like, well, it's easy. It's my son. I was like, let me his

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I was like, "I'm a fucking kid, are you shitting me?" It was just that pivotal moment like... Yeah, but you know what's even harder is that then they ask him later, what's like one of the nicest things your dad... like what do you... what's the nicest thing your dad's ever said to yours? I can't remember when he goes, "You know, honestly?" He said it was what he just said while you guys were interviewing. And I thought that was moving too. I liked his son, I liked hearing him his son talk at his funeral. And he told a great story that goes like this. He had just gone through a terrible divorce.

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that he didn't expect and he was crushed and he went to see lemmy it just finished signing the papers or something

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see lemmy who was of course at the fucking rainbow and he said i'm fucking i'm under it man i don't i feel

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terrible it's my life fell apart blah blah and let me ordered him a huge jack and coke and gave it to him he said

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that was a close one

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that's a pretty good story dude yeah pretty good all right john

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So my number four is the furthest thing from metal you could possibly get, but I really enjoy this documentary. It's about session players in the 60s and 70s in Los Angeles. It's called The Wrecking Crew. Oh, so good, dude. Yeah, and if any major band that had an album out in that time, somebody from this crew worked on that album. So if you like that kind of stuff where it gets down even deeper than just the

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main band since they're session players that play with them then i would suggest

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watching this it's brilliant and glenn campbell i love that glenn campbell was a part of that and

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then he went off and became glenn campbell and he'd come back to jam with them and they're like oh

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fucking glenn campbell and our great mix do you know what i mean or whatever yeah but that's that's

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totally worth watching and the beauty of it is they they feature carol carol k a lot in it and

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she's probably been on more albums nobody knows who she is and she's been played bass on more albums

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She's on 10,000 recordings. Wow. Yeah, that's a great, highly recommended. All right. Will, what's your number for? Death by Metal. All right. We've talked about that, so let's move on to Jay. We've talked about this one, too. What about you, George? This Jay. You know, it's,

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It doesn't need a lot. I just I really again I like how this documented a musical scene that if you didn't live through which I didn't because I didn't live there was so interesting you could make a living playing these 2,000 3,000 seat halls even if nobody knew who you were outside of the tri-state area. Twisted we are Twisted fucking sister that's a really good story. They had a whole career before they had a career and it's a good story to hear it's super interesting about how they came about. It is good. So yeah no more comment than necessary on that one. My number four.

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has been mentioned several times already, so I will just pass by it quickly. Anvil, the story of Anvil. It's so good. It's so good. Even Barb liked it, and Barb does not like metal or anything like that. But I will pause here to say the guy who made it was a fan of theirs, and he almost did it as a variety of favor, because he was like, they should be known. So good for him. It's one of the most authentic documentaries. The labor of love.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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And that brings us up back around the day.

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Number three.

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Number three is the decline of Western civilization.

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One or two.

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Wait, which part?

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The first one.

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The punk one.

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The punk one.

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I think the second one's great, but the first one is the definitive essence of what punk is.

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I think if you were to take an alien from outer space with no concept of what human society was at all and you were to show them that film and you expected one word to come out of their mouth they would go punk and you'd go yeah you got it.

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You know, like, you know, everything from leaving, you know, yelling, yelling slurs out into the audience to X-Zine being the sweet, warm mother figure that she was to the scene with a big fucking swastika behind her. You know, you had all of the symbols of counterculture unexplained.

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and pure and at a time where they needed no explanation because you could see what that meant. You knew that Exine wasn't a fucking Nazi. She was baking cookies. You know like it was a perfect portrait and you could tell that Lee Ving was a fucking homophobe right off the bat. And you could tell every single asset

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the aspect of the beauty and the ugliness and the community and the grit it was just it was the most sure portrait of what punk rock is you know at its core and was at its purest yeah i agree yeah and and and she did not pull that off with the second one by the way the second one is a it's chris home sitting in the pool drunk in front of his yeah but i mean it's also like the hair scene it was the it was everything i hated about

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But the guys that I went to high school with thought heavy metal was. So she completely got it wrong because she made the mistake of going to Sunset Strip to make a movie about heavy metal. And I'll kind of never in the smallest sort of way forgive her for that. The second movie is a fucking bullshit infomation. It's a satire. Don't hold back. It's so unkind. It is so unkind. It's accurate, but it's unkind. But there were a million portraits of metal at that time.

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the one portrait of the sunset strip you got. And you know what? Bless her for being there and capturing it. No, I bet. But I wish it was called something other than the metal years. I wish it was called the sunset strip years or some other fucking thing. Oh, of course. It was everything that I liked it in a way because it kept people away from the secret sign. I think the problem with it, Jay, is that it's a really good documentary, but it doesn't feel metal enough for us. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

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It's more rock than metal. It's not a metal documentary. No, it's not. They don't understand what metal is. There you go. And there you go. It's a documentary about a bunch of kids who fucking, you know, who grew up and went, you know, oh, we're going to be rock stars, but they didn't know how, so they followed mythos. And, you know, here's their fucking parents standing by their side going, we're so proud of our dangerous son. You know, like, that's it.

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It's a great documentary. It would have made my list if they didn't call it metal. To be honest, I agree with Jay on that. It's not going to make my list ever because it's just not metal for me. It's only saving graces are the interview. Singularly, almost, there's a couple things in there, but the Lemmy stuff is great. It's the stark contrast to the portrait sheet paints. And at least he makes fun of it. He's like, yeah, fuck those guys. You know what I mean?

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Well, no, that's not true. It's like more power to him. All right, Markisan. What's your number three? My number three, very surprised by this, but it is leaving Neverland from this year. I have not seen that yet. It's a very grim, uncomfortable dive into two men's allegations of sexual abuse against Michael Jackson. I have to tell you, this thing is two parts. It's like six hours fucking long. It mesmerized me from the beginning.

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The End. And it focuses on the stories of these two guys that were kids at the time. It doesn't directly comment on Jackson's actions or motivations. It just really dives into their stories. And it's really well crafted and really well done. I was I'm glued to the screen for this. And since then, yeah, it's a there's a huge backlash against Michael Jackson. This is a documentary.

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and for good reason. And I recommend everybody watch this. I was a huge Michael Jackson fan when I was young. And it's hard to reconcile that because he did so much for music and never was convicted. But the case that they lay out against him is very convincing. They have no reason to lie at this point. And I just, if you get a chance to watch it, guys, do it.

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My wife and I watched on a Friday night, which is a mistake. Because if you've had a long week and you're looking to unwind, this is definitely not the movie to watch. Because, like, yeah, it's four hours long. And within 15 minutes, I was completely fucking frustrated. Not to mention it's like your date night. You don't want to stop watching. I mean, Thriller was the second album I bought ever. And it was huge.

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For me, I mean, I didn't, you know, I didn't even know what metal was at that time. This was like 1983. And it was like right before I got into metal. And I fucking loved that album. And it was huge for me. So. I'm really hoping you're going to wear a sparkly glove on the rest of the podcast. The very first music related T-shirt I owned was a Michael Jackson thriller puffy glittery shirt in like fifth grade.

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Jay's like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm on this podcast. Puffy glittery is exactly how I described it to my wife. I'm just like, wow, how have I never come across this in any sort of eBay scouting? It was like a Kmart kind of thing. You've never heard of this, Jay, at all? No, I've never seen the Puffy merch that they did for the thrillers. I thought you were talking about the documentary.

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Oh, no, I've heard of documentary. I've just never heard of thriller. That was the album. It's a thing. Yeah. No, I'm a nerd about old concert merch, and I was just like, what? It was like one of those, it was a black shirt, and it had like the round, you know, almost the whole thing was in this round thing. It was a picture of his head, which, of course,

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came slightly out of the circle. And it was like pink and blue and yellow and slightly puffy and glittery. I'm going to have to check this out now because the only 3D shirt I can think of was when they made Aliens. They had a 3D shirt they gave out as a promo with the chestburster. It's not that big. I mean, it was a thing in the 80s. It was just like slightly, I think like maybe the circle was like slightly

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raised around the edges. Oh, that's what you're thinking. You're talking about that kind of like. Yes. Yes, exactly. Sure. You keep talking about coffee shirt. I keep thinking about. Yes. No, not like that. It was the middle. It was just slightly raised from the rest of the shirt. I will. I will definitely. Yes. All right. Where are we, Matt? Number three is.

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I mean, essentially it's any documentary about Valken, but the one I'm thinking of is the one that J.I. sent you the DVD. I think Valken themselves actually produced it, but there's also the one on Amazon. Which I just watched. Which I really dig, but yeah. They're both good. I watched them both. They're both great. Valken! Or Wacken. Wacken to Valken. Right. In the interest of time, let's move forward. That would be...

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John.

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John.

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My first of the Sam Dunn films is inevitable.

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That would be on my list.

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And that is rush beyond the lighted stage.

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Of course.

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Love it.

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The whole documentary.

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You don't hear one question the whole time.

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It's just people talking about rush and I'm down with that.

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So John loves the rush.

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Yes.

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Everybody loves the rush.

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All right.

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Will, what's your number three? Cannibal Corpse, Centuries of Torment. That is fucking awesome. Yeah. Nice. All right, Jay, number three. Boy, I was going to do Super Duper Alice Cooper, but I've decided I'm not going to. So there I said it. So it's out there. Because this one really has to be on here. And... Jay, I'm watching Super Duper Alice Cooper as we're talking right now. Are you? Are you enjoying it? Way to pay attention. It's great. Oh, I've watched three movies.

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I've been on here. This one has to be on here. It's difficult to watch. Well, I'll just leave it there. Last day. Oh, yeah. Shit. That's a tough, tough fucking movie. It's a good one, man. I forgot to put that on there. And there's just so many weird layers to that guy's life that I... And I would almost leave it out. It's almost like the Michael Jackson thing. He's so tarnished me now. It's like, fuck him. But... Abusing his sweet mother, yeah. And you got to know his mom in this movie,

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So you know her infinite patience. That's dated. It's an unflinching portrait of somebody who refuses to let anybody tell them what to do. And that's not a good thing. I'm not praising that. But also, one of the great things about that movie is that at the end of the movie, when he does play the shows in New York, if you didn't know anything else about him, you saw the movie going up to it and you didn't know what kind of performer he was.

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I honestly think he commands that stage at that performance. I'm like, okay, I totally get what the Bobby Liebling thing is all about. Like, this is amazing. Like, he's so menacing and good and musical and everything. And an asshole. And an asshole. You know. Great asshole. I bartended for the L.A. premiere of that documentary. Great asshole. That was, yeah, well, not only was he the L.A.

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premiere of his documentary. Man, they gave out four times more beer that fucking documentary than any other screening they've ever done. Let me be clear. It's clear to me he's a great A asshole. That's the other thing. I didn't choose this because I'm a fan of the guy. It's hard to watch. I mean, those scenes where he's just blatantly doing crack in his parents' house who love him and think he's in a lot of pain so he's got to do crack.

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It's a half hour from here. Just saying. I used to work right across the street from his parents' house. Brutal. Now, we are losing a lot of people here, so let's move forward. And what I mean is we've got some sleepers. All right, my number three. My number three is Until the Light Takes Us, which is the black metal documentary. Yeah, it is what it is. And we will move back to Jay for number two.

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Number two.

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This is a quick one.

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Live in Pompeii.

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Pink Floyd.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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I feel like that doesn't need to be explained.

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I believe you are correct.

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It's live in Pompeii.

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Yeah, live in Pompeii.

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But that's the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Mark us on number two.

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My number two is Amy from 2015. This is a documentary that celebrates Amy Winehouse's talent and examines her drug abuse and just demands from the media and the music business that they make on her. And I wasn't really a fan of Amy Winehouse. So I watched the documentary and then I wanted to go back and listen to all the music. I liked that first album. Was that the only album? Yeah, it's really,

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It's a lot of previously unseen footage that shows how complex she was, even though the tabloids kind of sold her off as this reckless drug abuser. So it's really about her story, but it's also about the story of how the music industry and our culture really treats talent in a bad way. And it made me tear up throughout the movie, and I didn't even know anything about Amy Winehouse really until I watched it. I thought it was just an incredibly well-done documentary.

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that not only tells about our life, but sheds light on the cultural significance of stardom. I'm going to check that out. Really great one. Yeah, great one. All right. Matt, number two. Number two, Until the Light Takes Us. All right. You got to explain a little bit about this because I have not heard this. George just gloss over it. So let's hear it. Until the Light Takes Us.

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Predominantly Black Metal. Predominantly focused on Fenris, really. Fenris, Varg's in there a little bit, and then Frost is in there. I'm trying to think who else. But it was just super fun. It was like lo-fi kind of. Yeah. That kind of followed Fenris around a little bit, though, and allow him to be the primary commentator really on the scene. And Varg reiterates why you think he's

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I'm totally sympathetic to Frost. I don't think he's actually allowed in our country.

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You know, there was another one, too, and it was very similar when it came out. Black Metal Satanica.

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No. That's a good one.

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Sorry. That does sound good.

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Sounds like a behemoth. They got the title right.

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I'm surprised I haven't heard of it. I feel like Matt and I are the ones that really are into

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What? Check out YouTube. It's on YouTube. Okay, I will. How much have you been drinking tonight, Marcus? At least seven times your amount, John. Up until last year, I was like the black metal guy on the podcast. But I'll give me a chance. Me and Jay. It's apparent you have been drinking seven times more because you're making outlandish statements right now. I thought you were the prog guy, John. Jesus.

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I listen to tons of black metal. Yeah, he does. I'm not saying you don't. I'm just saying that lately when we've been talking about different releases, it's Matt and I who've been talking about black metal, especially when we did our top albums of mid-year. Matt and I had a lot more black metal than you guys. That's all I'm saying. Not that you don't like. We had a lot of PM. You don't have yellow eyes on your list. So should I send you a bozo button for that then? All right, let's move on to John's.

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Number 2. All right. My number 2 has already been shit on by everybody here so far, but there's a reason why it's my number 2. Because when we're long dead and gone and the earth forgets how bad hair metal was, this movie will document how shitty that scene was in the 80s. I fucking despised every minute of it. So that's why it's so high on my list. So again, so John also votes until the light takes it.

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No, it's the Tiffany one. I just, it's a client of Western Civilization

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Part 2, The Metal Years. There's absolutely zero metal in that movie, but I want everyone to remember how shitty Sunset Strip was.

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George, do you remember, I have to point one thing out, what's the last thing you saw that?

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Oh, like when it was in the theater. So here's the weird thing, you may have forgotten

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that Seduce is represented in that movie. Actually, not that you mention it, I do.

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Oh, man. We were. The point is, Jay and I were just talking about them because I made a reference to their Too Much Ain't Enough album. And he was like, dude, I know who they are. And I was like, no way. And he was like, yeah, way. And, you know, yeah, it was cool. They're sort of like Twisted Sister. They got lumped in with like that scene kind of thing, but they are not like that. They're basically kind of a cool hard rock band from Detroit. I grew up in Michigan, so I knew who they were. Oh, I didn't make that connection.

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Yeah, it was a Michigan thing. I will. Number two. I have no idea if anyone said this before because I was half asleep. But heavy metal parking lot. No, I've been waiting for that one. That's a good call. And ironically, I just saw this for the first time about a month ago. What'd you think? And I loved it because it was raw. It's exactly

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what you think it was and it just literally transformed me back to when i was a teenager

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hanging out in the parking lots it's really drinking but hanging out in the parking lots before like all

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these it's basically what we do with our recorder in a parking lot right but but it was a it's in a it's not by you guys yeah it's in maryland yeah it happens in maryland anybody see part two no i heard there was a part two there's uh

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Where are they now? Oh, yeah. Actually, maybe I did see that. Did they find some of the key figures? Yeah, Zebra Man. Yeah, yeah. Who's now a total poser. I see the one who sings Living After Midnight. No, he's the dude in the zebra shirt. Just go back. You'll see he's like 10 minutes in. I also like the girl who wants to jump Rob Halford's bones. Yeah, that worked out real well. Sorry, sweetheart.

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That shop is closed. All right, Jay, what's your number two? I bring this guy up every now and then. And this was one of the ways I learned about him. It's a documentary about Rocky Erickson called You're Gonna Miss Me. I can't recommend it highly enough. Rocky, he died, well, not too long ago. He was schizophrenic, and I think it was honestly taking a vaccine and things that kind of pushed his schizophrenia into the forefront.

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And it's kind of a tragic document of his life. This extremely gifted writer, singer, musician, who in the later parts of his life to steady his schizophrenia would go sit down. They show him doing this. He sits down at his house and he turns on six TVs and a radio and puts on sunglasses. The only way he can stop the voices in his head. It's fucking brutal, devastating. But it comes with a bit of a triumph at the end. And I won't tell you what that is, but I highly recommend it.

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And plus, you might learn about an artist that you think is pretty good. Yeah, yeah, I want to see that. You're going to miss me. All right. My number two is not nearly as interesting, I suppose. But nobody's said it yet, so I will. Flight 666, Iron Maiden. I figured somebody would choose it. It's a good one. I freaking love that. On my honorable mentions, George. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this was hard. There's some honorable mentions. Yeah, I've got, I've got,

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At least two. Two. All right. Back to Jay for number one. Number one. Well, this one is like a movie that I've watched every time I go into the studio. Andy turned me on to this one. Scott Walker's 30th Century Man. And it's just the perfect before you go into the studio documentary.

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That scene where he's slapping the meat and going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then slapping it lower on the carcass and going, yeah, that's the tone I like. It's just, it totally sums up what it is to be a musician for me. You know, just, you're looking for a sound. You're looking for a tone. You're looking for something that evokes the right,

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the right sequence of chords in your brain that makes you feel the way you want them, you know, the listener to feel. It's out. Yeah. Because, you know, you don't know what's going on behind the curtain. And that curtain is the studio. And you just hear the sounds. And if you choose to make it as unsettling as possible, slap me to get as

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as a sound as you can possibly get it and evoke as terrified of a feeling as you can as a listener. Che, I'm a little disappointed that there is not a meat slapping sample on Crowhurst. Yeah, I think you failed in some degree there. Yeah, that's the one thing I don't have a snarky, like, I will actually answer for. Yeah, me too.

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Oh, hey, excuse me.

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Jay, can I just amend that?

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The whole album is one big sample.

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Can I amend your comment to hashtag me too?

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Just to make sure that we get that.

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Hashtag meets that.

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Where are we at?

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I'm at number one.

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All right.

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My number one is a Kurt Cobain montage of heck from 2015. I'm a really big Nirvana fan. I'm a really big 90s rock fan. Other than that, that's love. I love the music and I've loved most of the biographies that have come out on Kurt Cobain. Heavier Than Heaven is my favorite book. I just started that recently. It's great, George. You'll really enjoy it. This film by director Brett Morgan,

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is my favorite dive into his life. He worked with Kurt Cobain's daughter, Frances Bean, and he had a lot of access to Kurt's personal journals, his drawings, audio recordings, home movies, and I feel like it gave a really different look at Kurt's life. The film narrative flows as you'd expect. I saw that. Now I know I saw that. You have? Oh, cool. So it covers Cobain's life as a kid in Aberdeen, Washington, his time in Irvine,

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There's some animation stuff in it, right? Am I making that up? I'm getting that point, yeah. That's right. That's exactly right, Jay. No need to be sorry. But yeah, it does it in creative ways like you just mentioned. It actually animates Cobain's personal drawings. We've seen interviews with Kurt Cobain himself, so we get these parts of the story in his own words. So the documentary to me, it feels like it follows Kurt's thoughts and personality and simply

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instead of simply presenting information about him. And I don't often rewatch documentaries. I'm not rewatching Finding Neverland. It's a great documentary that everybody should watch. I can't watch it again. Gotcha. That's not something you're going to pop on all the time? No. You can play it in the background when you're just doing stuff just to keep you company? No. Absolutely not. But this one, I have watched

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multiple times because I feel like I get a little bit something different because a lot of it's in Kurt's words. I'll say this. I'm suddenly reminded that I was moved by the narration of what I believe was the first time he had sex. Am I making that up? And I remember being moved by that and being a little creeped out by it and uncomfortable about it. It was vividly done. Because it's a girl who's like mentally retarded or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah. It's a fascinating documentary that uncovers things you never saw before. Again, like Francis being his daughter is integral to getting this documentary out. So I really enjoyed it, you know, and I'm always skeptical whenever I see a Kurt Cobain thing, you know, because there's always different theories and conspiracy theories about what happened.

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Courtney and Kurt won. Was it the mentors guy? Yeah, LJ. This one I feel is the best that they've done. I'm glad you're reading that heavier than heaven because I feel like that is the best written book on Kurt's life. I'm through that. I will throw in my two cents. I watched some documentary about him and Courtney.

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I think it was an HBO thing and fuck that guy like that guy wanted to get hooked on heroin like that was his goal it was go fuck yourself like I sorry I I lost completely all respect for that guy ever in my life well like let's cut out a lot of cool to get hooked on heroin and really my fucking head off and leave my my wife and daughter like fuck him well it's more complicated like George is reading heavier than heaven it's a

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It's funny, but I managed to completely agree with both of you.

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So I went to Seattle for the first time a couple years ago. And the one thing that I wanted to make sure I saw other than Jimi Hendrix's grave was Kurt's house. And so we hunted down Kurt's house. We found it. And, you know, we found it.

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You know, we went to it. I took some photographs. There's like a, you know, you can stand outside the house. It's a gated house. And you can like look up at the room where he killed himself. And there's like a bench out there on the, it's sort of a, it's a park, but it's really just like some grass and a bench. And, you know, there's all these things like carved into it and written on it, you know, Kurt, we love you, blah, blah, blah. But it was, it was, it was a moment to be there.

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And to see that. And yeah, especially. Yeah. I mean, he's a very flawed individual, you know, but I'm just fascinated by all the things that happened in his life like that led up to his death. And so I like this documentary quite a bit. And again, that document or that that that novel, Heavier Than Heaven is very good. All right. Let's move on to Matt.

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My number one is probably kind of a gimme, but when I saw this movie, it was at a good pivotal point in my metal journey. I've talked about it before on the podcast, but I was listening to some shitty metal, and I needed to get it back into some better metal. I saw this movie, and that was kind of a big piece of it. It is metal, a headbanger's journey. You complete me.

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Matt's on that journey as well.

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That's right.

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All right. Let's move on to John then. Hey, Matt, what was your number one again? Me-o? Me-o? Me-o? Me-o? Maybe he didn't understand the question at all. I'll give my answer. My number one's Metal Headbanger's Journey. Will, what is your number one? Flight six.

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Six. I'm surprised. I didn't hear that more often. Or maybe you did. I said it. I said it. All right. Well, Jay. I'm in the movie. I had a hard time. I'm going to give my honorable mention just to do it because I really this was hard for me not to make this number one, but there's another one I like better. And anyway, and that is that movie Searching for Sugarman. For those of you who have seen that movie. That was so good. Well mentions list.

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I'm really moved by that movie. Now that's dated. What I am going to name is my actual number one was made by a filmmaker I think is really good called Jim Jarmusch. He's got a new zombie movie out. I can't wait to see it. I haven't seen it. And he did and I thought he did adeptly. I don't think it was. It's not an amazing movie but it told me a lot of things I didn't know. In any case he made a movie about the Stooges called Gimme Danger. And I think that was long overdue that somebody did a movie about the Stooges. I honestly think

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Those early two or three records were just pivotal and important and great and dangerous and to hear their story told by them while they were all still living I think was wonderful and there's some great stories in there and it really endeared me more to Iggy Pop than even previously. He just seems like such a normal fucking guy. So highly recommended those Kokimi Dangers. I love Jim Jarmusch.

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I haven't seen that one, but Dead Man is one of my favorite movies. So good. So good. And Neil Young's soundtrack to it is amazing. Yeah. Broken Flowers quite a bit. But Dead Man, that's probably one of my. Dead Man is one of my all time favorites. And it has a soundtrack. We mentioned this earlier. Johnny Young. Johnny Young. Black and white, Neil Young's soundtracks to the whole time. It's my second favorite movie of all time.

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All right. My number one is also two other number ones. John, what is my number one? Metal Headbangers Journey. Yes, sir. Ooh, wow. I have two honorable mentions that were both mentioned. Twisted Fucking Sister and Lemmy. The only one I have that wasn't mentioned was Heavy Metal Baghdad. Ah, yeah. That was mine. Yeah. Consider I spent quite a bit of time in Baghdad, but that band turned out to suck after a while. Yeah.

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Well, I included mine in my list, so I don't... Fair enough. Searching for Sugar Man was one of mine, and then also Tragically Hip, long time running. I'm a big, huge fan of the Tragically Hip rock band from Canada. Yeah. So Gord Downey died a couple years ago now. He had brain cancer, and so this was like the final documentary for their concert that was huge in Canada, and of course, it was at the time when everybody knew that he was...

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You're not gonna make it. Really good documentary. Awesome. All right, let's move on to what we are listening to.

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And, Jay, what have you been listening to? I have been listening to a lot of, pretty much on repeat, country teasers destroy all human life. It's one of my favorite, or rather now, one of my new favorite post-punk records. Just a weird, like, Scottish group that did this crazy, it's like,

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The Fall Meets Tammy Wynette. And it was released on Fat Possum Records in 96. It's got a really good cover of just a bunch of... It's got a cover of a couple songs, but it's got a Joan Baze cover on it. It's just fucking good. Country Teasers Destroy All Human Life. If you can deal with stories being told from the perspective of bad people,

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in the attempts to make fun of them and these characters, then yeah. Obviously, it's from '96, so it comes from a point in time where people understood that certain songs within the songwriter context require context. So obviously, if a song is written in the perspective of a racist, there will be racist things said in the song, and then it goes on to make fun of that character.

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that can't be made today because of course you can't make fucking songs where like there's like two lines that are racist because that's people that's enough that's enough to get you canceled um and like it's a bummer because i i hate to be like one of those people but like the only bummer about that whole element of cancel culture is like it

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It prevents a lot of songwriters from who are like actual songwriters. And granted, there are not many who are doing the songwriting thing these days. But like from telling stories from the perspective of a character that is not necessarily the best, nicest character. Because you see, you can, you, you, drama is filled with lots of reprehensible characters doing reprehensible things. You see it in TV, movies, fucking plays, stage, screen, whatever.

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But like it's it when it's presented in music you either have to be like infant annihilator and be like haha over the top we're gorgeous kidding um or you know like we're a horror movie band um but you know that's just my gripe fair i get i get what you're saying what happens when you get me yeah this is what happens when you get me on it like

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1 a.m.

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I'm sitting here like,

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I'm going to microwave some fucking White Castle burgers.

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Oh, that sounds good.

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Oh, that's terrible.

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Oh, man.

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White Castle's the best.

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Oh, God.

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I miss that.

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We don't have that here in Maryland.

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No White Castle in Maryland.

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Except at the grocery store.

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Yeah, I got freezer ones, man.

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I'm not fancy.

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I'm going to just destroy myself.

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See, like I broke out the one nice beer that my buddy who works for GoPuff brought over, but I've got like a bunch of shitty like fell off the rack and scratch Modellos and Gen C loggers that I'm going to destroy with this fucking microwave burger. Wow, Jesus. You really need to get back to Atlas and have some good beer. Yeah, no, I need to like, I need to see the sunlight and peep and shit. Like, not punishing myself. Wow.

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All right, Markisan what are you listening to? Yeah, lots of Haunter, Sacramento, Death Qualia, really amazing death metal album. It's a contender for me for death metal album of the year. They're going to play at Subterranean here in Chicago on 1018. Probably going to be my last metal show here in Chicago, so I'm looking forward to that. Sinmara, I can't even pronounce it. What? From Van Records.

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I missed this fucking thing when it came out of March. It's a good one. Yeah, see, Matt knows the black metal. They played Atlas, I think. Everybody's played Atlas. I'm going to just say really quick, I would like to officially dispute that we will run through this quickly, George. I mean, that was the worst prediction ever. Relatively quick. If we all run through this quickly, we'll be done by next week. Fair enough.

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And I'm just fucking with you. It's funny. I don't do anything quick. We don't either. Obviously, by our three to four hour episodes. Now, I blame Jay for this one. He definitely talked a lot. But yes, I can't shut the fuck up. Fucking keeps going. That's funny. I thought you meant the other Jay. That's okay. You can blame it on me. Yeah.

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It's really good. So, Coffins came out, I think it came out today actually, Beyond the Slaughter Demise. I'm a really huge fan of Coffins. Really good death metal. I feel like the death metal this year has become incredibly crowded. I'm going to make a top 25 death metal albums of the year just because there's so many good ones. And this is another really bone bruiser of death and doom. Blood, Red, and Throne, another really good death metal album.

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You know, this one is the straightforward kind of caveman death metal. And I love it. Really good. Infernal Conjuration. Infernale Metallum Mortis. This is somebody mentioned on their Bandcamp page, Morbid Angel and Slayer having a kid on crack. Yep. Pretty much accurate. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. Matt mentioned Serpent Column, Mirren Dark,

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So I listened to that one. I really liked it. And I mentioned this on our Facebook page. It's a poltergeist of venomous black metal. Cult of Luna. Not out yet, but we have the promo. I really dig this one. It's pretty menacing. And it's great. Opeth as well. I know John's going to really like this one, but I think it's a very good album. If you've liked Opeth on recent years, you're definitely going to dig this album. I think it's heavier than the previous.

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especially sorcerers. Cloud Rat, Pollinator, just destructive blasts of hardcore and grind, which is some interesting flourishes throughout the album. I want to hear that. It's really good. I saw them here in Chicago last weekend, I think, and they had the album out, so I picked it up. Really short songs, but really creative, hardcore grind. Really good.

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I like their last album I think this one's better nice finally I picked up an album called Crucible Unshattered I am going to Hawaii as everybody knows there's almost no metal in Hawaii and this has me very much dismayed so I did a little digging to find out if I could discover any local Hawaiian metal bands I had to time warp to the 90s to find a band that I thought was decent and it's

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It's Crucible. And they're kind of old school skateboard mixed with Crowbar. If you can imagine that. They put out a few albums. The only one I could find to buy the CD was this 1998 debut called Unshattered. It's pretty good. I'm really sad because I'm not going to get much metal. And that's why I said to Jay, Crowhurst needs to come out to Hawaii so I can have at least something. All right.

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Cool. Matt, what are you listening to? Sweet. Crowhurst catalog. More specifically, the trilogy. All 31. Yeah, dabbling in a little bit at all. All right. Night Vale, Sanity Deranged, Devourment Obscene Majesty, Mismore Cairn, and then, as Mark mentioned, Cult of Luna, Dawn and Fear, and then Visceral Disgorge, Slythering Evisceration.

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Slytherine. Nice. Word. All right, John. I'll make it fast. Crip Sermon, Disillusion, Migwa, Nightfell, and Opeth. Boom. Boom. Boom. Did you like any of those, John? Yes. Yes, all five. All right, Will, what have you been listening to?

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Real quick, Antichrist Siege Machine, The Schism, Perpetration. I was surprised to find out that I really liked The Cult of Luna, A Dawn of Fear. Wow. I was kind of thinking The Cult of Luna was more of like some sort of Norwegian power metal band for some reason by their name. They've been around forever, dude. Well, this is the first time I've ever listened to them. Wow.

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The New Intimed AD, Bowls of Earth. I sent this to you guys. The Culted, all the way from Sweden via Winnipeg. The Vespertina, Syntaxes. What's that, Chair? I'm doing noise on the next Culted record. Nice. Oh, nice. Yeah. I've been trying to like The New Exhorter more in the Southern Skies, but I'm kind of bored with it.

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Vermin, Horseburner from West Virginia, their new album called The Thief, which I really like, The Crip Sermon, which we can finally say that we've listened to, and I've listened to it on Flack, and it's pretty fucking phenomenal, and last but not least, Abhoria. Hopefully you guys all know who Abhoria is. It's a band that you bought on Bandcamp. It is a band I bought on Bandcamp. They have one song on it called Mount the Bank, and it is Trevor.

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Oh, right. That's right. That's why it sounds familiar. Is the whole album out now? No, no, no. It's just one song. Just the one song. Okay, I've heard it. It's pretty good. I think Trevor occasionally listens to, and this is what I'm going to say, Trevor. Trevor, this is what you should have done. No clean singing. No clean singing. Trevor's a great guy. He's a great guy. From Ashen Horde. For you, wondering.

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All right. Jay. I will be brief. What was it that Markasun posted? I think it was Markasun posted one the other day, which was really good. And that George came back. What was that one? Mirror in Darkness, Markasun put up. Serpent Column something, something. Anyway, and then George. Matt put that one up. Oh, Matt put it up. Excuse me. But then George answered with Slot Bath. And that's awesome, dude. I love that record. So I'm listening to that a bunch. So George did actually.

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He said he went up my Haunter album, which he didn't actually, because that slot path is nowhere near as good as the Haunter album.

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Whatever.

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He's not even close to being as good.

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I've been listening to the Cattle Decaptation sort of back catalog and having fun doing that, and Toon Day D, which I like.

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By the way, that's a pretty strong record.

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That's a super strong record for any of you who haven't really dipped into it yet.

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I did give a little time to the Tool record.

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Didn't drive me crazy or anything like that.

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And then I spent a lot of time in the last week listening to the bands that I was going to see. So I've been listening to a lot of Misfits, Deep Purple and not Maiden so much. Maiden, I didn't need to kind of refresh or anything like that. But it's always fresh. It's always fresh. And I can't wait for Deep Purple and Misfits just wanting to listen to those bands, which actually is not uncommon in any case. That's about the size of it. Indeed. All right. A little longer than usual, but not as long as.

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in the past. So let me just whip through this. First up, we have the algebra album Pulse with a question mark, Jay. It's the third album of Swiss Thrash. It's not out until the 30th of September, but it is good. You should check it out. Next up is one that I thought Jay might mention because I know he pre-ordered it. A band called Ossagram. Dawn of Infinite Fire.

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I gotta go download it thanks yeah yeah I thought I was gonna mention that this is an album of black metal from Norway and the Netherlands it's very good uh first song was the one they let you have first was good yeah uh next up is one that I learned about from Will uh apparently a friend of his the band is called Corpse Hole and the EP is called Devoured Remains Will is there anything you would like to say about this that uh I have not said uh just one of my buddies

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who I just known through the DC metal scene who comes to Atlas quite a bit and this is his band. It's good. I like it. It's like a proggy. It's like a death metal band with proggy solos. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Next. Dismembered Carnage. Blasphemed Betrayal. It's the second album from a California death metal band. Of course, the Entombed AD album Bowels of Earth. It's their third album. Horrific Demise. Excruciating.

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The First Album From a Midwest Death Metal Band. Will mentioned this one, Inert, and their album Vermin. They're a Swedish Death Metal Band. We listened to this because one of the guys from the band contacted us, and it's pretty cool. So, good job. Three more. Pandemonium, with a little squiggle on the E. Monuments of Tragedy. It's a Swedish Death Doom,

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Band is their fourth album. Quite good. As previously sort of mentioned, Slot Bath, Alchemical Warfare is their second album, the Chilean Black Death Band. Not as good as whatever Marcus is listening to, apparently. Average or best. The name is better than the actual album. Yeah, it's like Slot B-B-A-T-H. It's like Slot or Sabbath.

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It's like slot bath. Who knows? And then my last one is Witch Vomit Buried Deep in a Bottomless Grave. It's the second album from a Portland, Oregon death metal band, and it's quite good. Yeah, I really like that one. A lot. A lot. A lot. All right. It is 1.06 a.m., and we have finally reached the end of the episode. Thank you, Jay, for joining us for this long-ass episode.

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And for the guys for hanging around. Yeah, no, I really appreciate you coming on. I actually had like 10 more questions to ask, but maybe next time if you ever want to come on. Yeah, love the album. Really love it. Thanks for doing all the music and, you know, I wish you all the success. I hope things work out with Prophecy or, you know, whatever happens next. Yeah, because we're looking forward to, you know, the next stuff that you do. Definitely.

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And we also appreciate your frankness and your everything. And that's the best and funnest way for us to talk to someone. So we really appreciate your time, dude. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Honestly, I'm happy to come on whenever you've asked me. It's just, this has been super fun. And I mean, like, you know, when we first talked, it was described as getting together and having some

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and with some friends and it is exactly that. Yeah. Nice. So I just appreciate you guys for having me on. Give me the platform to talk some shit and I'll make some friends. Right on. Perfect. Well put, sir. All right. Thanks, man. Skull, Jim. Thank you. All right. Have a good one, dude. We will see y'all next time. Until then, we remain the Metalheads Podcast.

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Música

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Do you literally have 10 questions? Because I don't mind staying on here if you want to ask them. We could put them on as bonus content after the outro. All right, man. If you guys don't mind. Hold on. I closed it, so I've got to open it back up again. Yeah. I mean, I recognize that all time

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The podcasts I care about are shoot interviews from wrestlers.

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Nice.

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Hopefully you care about us now too.

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Well, yeah, I mean, like, I'll be real with you guys.

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I don't fucking listen to a lot of metal.

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I don't know if that was made completely evident by the way I talk about this stuff.

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It was.

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That's cool.

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I don't listen to a ton of metal, but the way I kind of, the way I kind of feel is

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I grew up on morning shows. And this feels like a morning show that I would want to listen to. A number of different personalities all talking about shit I give a shit about. As opposed to whatever Zoo Crews talk about in 2019. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Of all the podcasts that I... Obviously my frame of reference is going to be either internet radio or radio.

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31 but it I still think like like podcasts because I'm doing a couple and I know like toxic schlop I talk about horror movies I don't know if it's fucking evident that I give way more shit about me movies and music but I love I love talking about that stuff I didn't know quite what to talk about because I know that

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I just knew that, Margaris, you're a fan of the record.

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Yeah, and I think I did a lot of questions because George is like, I know that he and Matt, because Matt had your record on his top list, that we were big fans.

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And so they were allowing us to do questions.

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And because I come from a journalist background, I just I think I put like a shit.

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I mean, I have like 40 questions.

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Wow.

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So, you know, I knew I was going to get to all of them because clearly, you know, other people are going to have questions as well. But, you know, I think I went a little bit overboard. But, you know, number one album. I want to know some shit. Yeah. You know. So, yeah, I'll ask you a couple more questions. I don't want to keep you too long. But you just. Yeah. You just mentioned that you're really into movies and stuff. And I noticed that the last track on three, five characters.

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in search of an exit is a Twilight Zone episode. So, and I love the Twilight Zone. I watch it constantly. So that was really big for me. So how much does film and television influence what you do in music, if at all? I wish I was making movies. I wish I was making movies. I'm a visual artist. I can shoot. I can shoot. I understand composition. I'm a writer.

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I've written narrative things before. I'll send you the true story of me. And to answer your question, yeah, I mean, it's like, I always want to create a soundtrack to a film that didn't exist, to quote Ena, for a lot of my films, for a lot of my records, which is why you have a lot of conceptual records like Death Down and Gory and Memory Loss,

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where the cover is very clearly within the record. It feels like that. It's a narrative and there's an arc. I tried to do that with the trilogy. If you want to make a movie, you've got to make three of them. Lucas proved that. Then you've got to make another three later as a victory lap and fuck it all up. Funny, because that was a question on my list.

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was, you know, why the trilogy? You've kind of talked about it throughout this cast that we've done. So. I mean, the answer to that really is that I knew that ultimately as a noise musician, at least in 2015, I was getting nowhere. 2014, 2015. I said, I don't want to make this a metal project because that would be really stupid if I wanted to make it a metal project and just serve me a fucking project. But what I did want to do

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is explore the genre of metal and explore other genre tropes and have them frame the genre of metal. So the dissonance of the amp-wreck kind of noise rock or the goth Sisters of Mercy sound, that is number one. Judgment has that Sisters of Mercy thing going on, that goth thing.

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And there's a lot of, like, if you hear me screaming, they're not black metal screams, they're screamo screams. They're me trying to do say shit. And Jerome's dream. Yeah. Like, like, that was my frame of reference where like, what if you did black metal? What if you screamo screams and black metal? What if it was black metal, but you played it at the fest in Tallahassee? You know, just stupid, like really stupid ideas that you would expect to come out of like a 4chan thread that's four days too old.

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That shit was popping around in my head. So I figured, okay, but you know, even the best metal bands have only made three good metal records before they take it off. Like, you can't, I can't think of one good, even hard rock band. Like four is pushing it, but three is your golden sweet point. So I want to make a trilogy and then, you know, pop off metal's deck for

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I think I think metal bands have come back and make really good ones like Iron Maiden you know oh brave new world I mean fucking like my favorite maiden album that came out way after the early stuff those are always for the fans yeah those are for the fans they're not ever they could be a million times better than the original three but they're not going to match the original three in terms of cultural

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because that's the real barometer. You just can't capture lightning in a bottle like they did. And I know that no matter what, if I come back and I try and remake three, I'd never be able to do it. So why would I even try? Yeah. It's like Lucas trying to do one, two, and three. You might get a pobre scene out of it. You might also get Georgia. Although I defend Georgia.

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I forgot my original question was.

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Movies.

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Movies, right. That's right.

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So how have movies influenced me?

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Movies influencing me.

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Ultimately, like I said, everything I wanted, all the compositions I make and all the albums I make, I want to make soundtracks to movies that don't exist.

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So if you close your eyes and listen to Death Band, I want it to feel like a horror movie. And if you put on a gory, I want it to feel dark and psychedelic like you're in India and you've taken some bad DMT and you're fucked. Memory loss, I want you to feel like you're losing your fucking mind and you're trapped in dementia.

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experiences and cinematic experiences.

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Oh yeah, you've definitely done that. I can see that. I know when I'm listening to

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three and I've listened to it at least 50 times, sometimes I do feel like it could be almost a soundtrack for a film, like an indie film. So you've released dozens of full-length records, numerous splits, collaborations, compilations, Jay. But over the last couple years, you've

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done less than you did before. So why did you decide to slow things down a little bit? I know you announced some other project coming up, but it feels like your output is a little bit less. I'm guessing that's the record label thing. Yeah, I mean, I make the records. I just don't put them off. Okay. So you're not actually slowing down. They're just not coming out. I mean, it's slowed down since I've stopped doing dry.

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But they haven't slowed down to a point that anybody by any extent would consider normal. It's still like 10 to 12 records a year in terms of contributions and all that stuff. So it's like, you know, it's not a thing that... It's just what I do. Like, I don't know how to do anything else. If I was a plumber, I'd fix pipes, you know? Right, right.

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Well, you mentioned drugs. I know depression has been something you've dealt with. I don't know how much you want to get into this, but I know that your father committed suicide. Your mom also deals with depression. You know, a lot of your songs seem to be about that. You know, how much of that really informs what you're doing in music? You know, how much does it still affect you?

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I mean, 100%. I don't know how to write a love song. Like, I just know how to write about being miserable. Hey, tonight's cast was pretty fun, right? Yeah. Like, from a narrative perspective, if I'm writing fiction, or if I'm writing characters, I can write funny, and I can write

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I can write other things. But lyrically, I don't... It's like the old cliche, you only write about what you know, and I can't fake it. It's not like it. It's like Rush, you never fake it. Unfortunately, when I write lyrics, I try and write... If I try and write anything else, it doesn't seem true, and I just seem like rapping Rodney.

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You know when I get real drunk I get real sad I wake up the next morning I have lyrics I know that's the good shit right because I don't remember writing them is it ever a burden to you know you know knowing what you've gone through you know everything that's happened in your past you do you feel like it's a burden to you or do you think it's fuel for what you're doing creatively

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How do you view it?

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It's just life, man.

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Yeah.

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I think there's this overarching need for everybody to kind of justify past, present, and future experience when really nobody asks to be born.

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Nobody asks to stay in this world, certainly.

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I feel like we had the societal conditioning, the suicide is somehow this bad thing, like taking agency over your own life is somehow a selfish thing that should be shunned. Ultimately, the big argument, obviously, if you have kids and shit like that, it's a responsibility that's different.

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But ultimately the argument you have, you know, sends the responsibility thing is, well, what about your loved ones? Well, anybody who loves you, if you're in enough pain to kill yourself, probably, if they want you to stay around, they're the fucking selfish ones. Oh, goddamn, I want you to stay with this suffering that makes you want to fucking die all the goddamn time. Goddamn, please stay alive for me. So you can fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck living for somebody else's.

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You stay alive because someone else is too cowardly to allow you to die. They'd rather you be in pain than grief. Let you be in peace. Fuck that. I know this is a very odd look towards this stuff, but so have you.

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It's not something to me where I sit around and I dwell upon that. It's just a reality. You can't claim to have ownership of your body if you don't have the ability to turn it off.

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I don't know what to do if you got rid of the depression thing. Which is ultimately, of course, is, you know, if you get rid of the depression, then I lose my purpose, which would make me depressed, which would give me purpose, but then I'd be depressed. If you know anybody who owns a brewery, I could really study.

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Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's deep. Okay, let's talk the new record. Okay, over the course of the three albums, you explored a wide range of music and themes. You know, the first album really seemed like it was more noise rock, more screamo. The second one was more, I guess I would call it industrial.

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The third album had fucking everything in it. Black metal, post-punk, which you've talked about a lot on this cast, shoegaze, slowcore, fucking choirs over blast beats, dude. Can you talk about what your overall vision was when you developed this trilogy and the themes? Did you have something in mind for this? I know you talked about how you wanted to do these three metal records,

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"Metal Records" is it, but was there something more behind that when you decided to create the trilogy with themes and music? Well, I mean, you've heard me say it a lot. I don't listen to a lot of metal. So the cover of that "Insecurity," I just jam-packed with all the other shit I know and then framed it around metal. And then everybody went, "Wow, that's innovative." And I went, "Cool." But really, it's just because

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I mean, this is my record collection. This is my living room with my record collection.

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Oh, damn. That's a lot.

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All these are different cubes. All these different cubes are different genres.

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So, you know, I try and always stay...

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I don't always find out about

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about what new innovation didn't have a publicist.

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You know, died in a basement in Omaha in 1998.

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What cool record, you know, has that idea that, you know, is a spark that I could shoot, you know, I could shoot off into a new record, you know, half as good, but, you know, with gusto. And that was really it. It was just me saying, well, I like slowcore.

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And I knew that I had one left. So what the fuck else was I going to do? I didn't want to regret it and wake up in a cold sweat. You know, summer of fucking 2021 going, Jesus Christ, man, I should have thrown in some more breakbeats into there. Like, I got everybody. I got Enduser, who's like my breakcore hero.

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is just crazy.

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And he's used to who is like one of the biggest artists in brightcore,

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which is like a genre that's blowing up right now.

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And I mean,

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the fucking guy was in blood of heroes with Justin Broderick and Bill

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Laszlo.

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So I,

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you know,

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he was on the record.

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I mean,

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it was a record I wanted to make and everything in it.

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And it was very concise.

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I just can't believe that I can't believe to this day that it came out how it came out because it could have been such a fucking test or something. Musical. You know, God bless Purple Lip putting up on us for four days and dealing with it. All right. Well, the last question I have is, you know, clearly you enjoy

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You enjoy collaborating with others on your records. You're invigorated by bringing in different people to work on your stuff. You know, who are some of the folks that you have not worked with that you would love to work with in the future? Good question. There's a long list. So artists, I can run you off a couple of artists and I'll leave you, since the last question was,

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Good story. Okay. So artist-wise, I'd love to work with Machine Girl. I'd love to do a Depeche Mode cover with Machine Girl. I've always wanted to do something like that. Maybe like a pain that I'm used to or something. I'd love to work with The Rebel, or AKA The Country Teasers. I'd love to work with Don Furno.

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I think it would be cool. I think that dude has some really cool ideas. Let's see. I'd love to work with Justin Broderick, obviously. These are very obvious things. The techno artist I'd love to work with. Mark Stepper and anything Jess Aurelius does, I'd love to work with him. The Haxan cloak, I'd love to work with him.

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with Lussmore. You know, these are all really obvious, but like William Basinski, there are not many people that, and it sounds terrible, but there are not many people that I feel uncomfortable reaching out to at this point. Right. Well, half your reputation, you know, is built on.

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I like to collaborate with other artists and create something unique. So yeah, but I'm still fucking nobody. Like, you know, so it's, it's still blows my mind to send an email to somebody and have them respond. Yeah, I know. I can't believe the Iron Sheik responded to you. That's crazy. Fuck yeah. The Iron Sheik will respond to anybody and tweet about anything for 50 bucks.

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Like, that's just PR shit. You know, like, I'll tell you this, Bam Margera is announcing or signing the profound lore. It costs about $65. So, you know, it's like, it's all marketing. But you gotta get people to listen to the record somehow. That said, I'm fucking nobody. So when I email somebody, it blows my mind that I get a response.

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But when I think about who I want to work with, the people that don't respond are the people within my community. And the people that respond are the people within the metal community who are like, fuck yeah, I want to work with you. I listen to a lot of noise. But the people who are in my community tend to look at me as sort of an outsider at best, an opposer at worst.

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It's all about perspective. If you frame who's a poser around a sense of purity and what the genre is about, then yeah. I didn't cut my teeth at NoFat and Fest 2005. I interviewed people as a kid for Maximum Rock and Roll.

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I wasn't fucking out there like in the New York punk scene. I was interviewing kids for like the queer issue and not getting credited or getting credited as JG and just doing it because what the fuck else do you do? Like, you know, so it was just a different, I come from a different background. And when I came into the noise scene, there were a lot of people who really

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like me and a lot of people who did not see me as being a person that was healthy for the scene. I was just a pretty boy who was coming in as a tourist kind of poached cred from all the people who would lay down the hard work and then hop on to some other bullshit. And, you know, everybody has a right to their own opinion. But like, and I wouldn't hardly put it as saying,

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the people I listed would place me there. Mostly I don't think any of them would have been aware of who the fuck I had. But you know, the mid-tier. The mid-tier is the one who doesn't want you to succeed. The mid-tier is the one who wants to get on profound lore and wants to get on profound lore and wants to get on profound lore. The minute

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I can't believe it started to them. You know, so it's like, hey, but what about Lingua Noda? You love her. Well, she didn't know. You know, so it's, you've got a lot of that, one of elitism that comes from a very, very small protective scene. Unfortunately, it's that kind of small minded, you know, small mindedness that

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It prevents people from breaking out. And ultimately, it's the reason why you don't see people playing noise sets, headlining Desert Fest. Well, listen, at least you're number one on my Metalhead's mid-year list, so that's pretty special. I'm happy to talk until four in the morning to help you, to answer all your fucking questions. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Thank you very much. Really appreciate it. No problem. I'll leave you with the last fun story to answer the last bit of your question. There's producers I wanted to work with. So in April I'm going to the studio. I was mentioning Chateau La Roville. It's where Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was recorded. The Piano Man was recorded on is still there. It's where all the Bowie stuff was recorded. Specifically Low in the

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So I'm a big fan of this. I'm a very, very big fan of this record. So what do you do when you've got a can full of liquid purge and a big old bong ruck inside you? You look up Tony Visconti's email and you try and get Tony Visconti to produce your record. And I got two meetings in with Tony Visconti's email.

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and we got to talking down a figure from six figures to five figures until I realized I didn't have the money and he didn't have the energy to work with a noise band but for a second there there was a glimmer of thought that we might work with Tony fucking Wisconsin.

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having me on. Yeah, man. It's a pleasure. I appreciate it. It's been fun. I'm happy to talk until, yeah, no, like I said, it's a big thrill for me to feel like anybody cares enough to have questions. So I'll talk and stay out until five in the morning, and I just appreciate that you cared enough to have me on. So anytime, really. Excellent. Thank you so much. Yeah, well, maybe we'll have you back after the,

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in the spring after the next release. Yeah. Yeah. I'll make sure we have some sort of bullshit extra feature thing. I always feel, see, my thing is, I feel guilty just giving a podcast to people who, like, maybe have never heard us before, because I figure that's like 99.9% of people. So it's like,

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And then, you know, I want to give them something. But then also, if you're listening to us, you've now just listened to me shoot the shit for like two and a half hours. And I'm assuming that if you've heard me on a podcast once, you've probably, just to hear me talk, you've probably heard me do it before. So you've probably heard me say the same shit at least once. So I want to give you something for your fucking patience.

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You know, so like, and then to also, you know, thank people for like, putting me on the show. More incentive for somebody who might be on the fence to hear me talk shit about my record label. Well, at least we can skip forward and hear the unreleased song. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. So I just, anything I could have done, I'd say thanks.

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outside of outright saying thanks, which I'm trying to do now. Anyway, it's fucking 1.30, so I'm going to go smoke weed. Have a great night. Awesome. We'll talk to you later. Thank you. See you, Jay. See you, boys. Peace.