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Metalhead Podcast,

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Metalhead Podcast,

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go!

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You must listen.

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You must listen.

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You must listen.

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Now,

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here is the podcast,

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Metal Heads Podcast.

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Hello,

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and welcome to the Metal Heads Podcast.

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My name is George.

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This is John.

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This is the mad situation.

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This is Marcusan.

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We are down a couple of lads today,

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but it's been so long.

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We did not want to wait any longer.

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Speaking of which,

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sorry it's been a while.

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We've had some unusual stuff happening this year.

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Some unexpected,

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some not so unexpected.

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A couple of medical situations.

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I had a bug bite that went out of control and tried to hand him in all over me,

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but I survived it.

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All limbs intact.

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All limbs intact.

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Lots of antibiotics.

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Lots and lots.

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You remained among the living.

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Yes.

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Follow me or die.

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And somebody else had an issue too.

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Yeah.

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I had surgery.

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Addominal surgery.

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And I was fine. And then I had some post-op issues that hurt a lot more than the surgery.

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So.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Took me.

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about a month and a half to get better.

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It shouldn't have,

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but I'm better,

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I think.

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Yeah, so based on all of that stuff, it was just really complicated trying to have everybody healthy and available and is what it is.

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Plus,

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let's not forget,

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some of us are doing a lot of traveling,

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too.

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Yeah. I was on the road for two weeks.

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Marcus,

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I think you were away for a while.

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Yeah, I was in Switzerland for two weeks, which was glorious.

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So, yeah.

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On top of all that, we all have stuff.

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What's going on?

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Matt and Will have kids,

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so school starting up again.

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Life happens,

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man.

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Yeah,

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you're busy.

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Sure does.

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Jay might have been abducted, we don't know.

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By aliens,

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no, I'm saying.

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Happens out there in the desert.

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It's my stupid long-running joke.

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Watch the skies,

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Jay.

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Fire in the sky.

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That was in Arizona, wasn't it?

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What?

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I think it was.

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I remember the woods a lot in that movie.

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Either that or New Mexico, I can't remember.

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I don't know.

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Maybe it was in Maine,

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I don't know.

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But despite all this, we still managed to get to a few shows that maybe we'd like to talk about.

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As is tradition,

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John returns from Prague Power,

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and he must fill us in.

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Okay,

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I won't spend too much time.

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I did this on the other podcast and I completely forgot about it.

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Marcus on literally just reminded us. Because I want to hear a little. I want to hear the highlights.

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Looking at the clock like literally three hours ago.

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So I put something together real quick based on what I put together for the Stairway to 11 podcast and I added a little extra. But anyway.

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So yeah, this was the 25th edition of Prog Power in Atlanta.

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This is my 24th.

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Even though I've

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I paid for 25.

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I didn't go to one,

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even though I had my tickets and everything.

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So this was a big one because it was the last year of the promoter,

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Glenn Harveston,

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who had finally decided to retire.

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He said, I've had enough. I'm done.

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And he was shutting it down.

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But Milton Mendesaw, I think that's how he says his name, Mendesaw,

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he took over.

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He's the day two promoter when it was day one and day two had different promoters and day three.

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3 and 4.

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He's taken over and he's going to carry it forward to a 3-day fest.

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So,

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that was a lot going on at this one.

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Plus,

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it was a pretty stacked lineup,

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considering we still lost a bunch of bands because of whatever issues.

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Everything from visas to bands backing out for whatever reasons.

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But, I'll just give some highlights from it. It's a 4-day fest.

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TR,

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the Metalheads Butler and I went down on Tuesday.

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Metalheads Butler! Metalheads Butler!

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a day early and we maybe drink a lot of beer the first day.

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Maybe,

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John.

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Yeah.

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And that was actually maybe not the smartest thing for me to do,

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considering my post-op issues that I was having.

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I mean, it was okay for me to do it, but I even got a text message that I said,

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Hey,

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are you going to keep drinking today?

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You don't want to have, which I never get ever.

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That never happens.

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It's usually like, what is wrong with you guys tonight?

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It's usually that.

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So she was untapped stalking you?

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Yeah, she was tap-tapping.

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Exactly.

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But her phone, you know what it was? Her phone and her wrist were constantly dinging like every three minutes.

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Anyway,

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yeah, we go to this place called the Brick Store Pub down in Atlanta.

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I'm pretty sure it's the name. I always get it wrong.

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It's a great place. It's got a Belgian bar upstairs.

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And we got there early.

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And we were like, there's no way we're going to make it to when it opens at 5.

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Yeah,

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right. Oh, we made it all right. And we stayed up there for a while,

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too.

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So if you guys are ever down there in Atlanta,

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Brick Store Pup.

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Awesome place.

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I'm sure I will be. That's a place TR met Bran from Macedon. He was there one night at the bar.

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So it's a cool place.

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Funny enough, I met him at a different bar in Atlanta.

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So actually, if you're in Atlanta at bars, you may run into him if he's not touring.

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So anyway,

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so back to the fest.

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So the fest was Wednesday,

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Thursday,

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Friday, Saturday.

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Tons of good bands.

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We didn't have much time to do anything because we were at the venue almost every day for the whole fest.

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There was only, I think, one day.

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No, actually, it wasn't because the schedule got changed.

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So yeah, we were there almost the whole day.

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Saw most of the bands, which is,

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There's always a day at a fest. You guys know when you go to a four-day fest.

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There's always a day that you're like, well, I might not see as much. I might just hang out. I might do merch shopping,

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you know, whatever.

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So,

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not this year.

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But I'll just run through the list of bands that were highlights.

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And if you guys have any questions,

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great.

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If you're interested next year,

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I can read off the list for that. If not, then we move on to the other shows. Definitely.

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All right. So,

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the highlight actually,

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and I'm pretty sure Tierra was not a

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I like this band a lot but they were actually the highlight to start because of the situation and that's the band Voyager was the main headline for the whole fest they headline day four and if anyone knows anything about that band or a prog metal band from Australia they probably shouldn't even be on stage because their lead singer is stage four cancer and was told a while back that he only had a couple months to live and that was a couple years ago so he was a

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He performed.

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And I had a great time.

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We didn't stay for the whole thing. I think we stayed about an hour because we had to be up so early the next morning to catch our flights.

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And after five days,

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you're tired.

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You know,

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when you have that bookend day of drinking in there.

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So they were great.

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But he kept making jokes about his stage four cancer the whole time,

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which was kind of funny in a dark, morbid way.

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All right. Anyway,

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they were great.

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I enjoyed them.

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A lot of new rest.

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He still gets to perform.

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He only gave him months and he's had years and he can still perform.

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That's pretty amazing to get that extra time.

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A lot of energy.

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Yeah.

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He's been graced with some more time.

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No way I was not going to at least watch an hour after hour and a half set because I was like, I may not see them again.

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Yeah.

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And they travel the whole way from Australia.

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I felt I needed to be in there for it. I just wish I could have stayed. I was just too tired.

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and they performed all of ice thirst the dark saga wow place was just getting crushed he sounded so good i mean there's this joke you know he sounds like paul stanley and he came out and i was like he sounds like paul stanley still but man he's making paul stanley look like a chump blowing the roof off and you know it kind of was needed i'm not going on any diatribe about ice thirst because i

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I like I stir it kind of like okay what happened happened a few years ago we could still enjoy a band that the other musicians were part of Matt Barlow being the guy Glenn was down up front the promoter literally fist pumping like crazy in his Hawaiian shirt you know that he always wears going nuts and at the I've never seen him at the end of the show you know on the the the barricades that they have that the

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Security Can Stand.

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They have little platforms on the other side. They can stand so people, when they're coming over, they can grab them.

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One was actually up there screaming at everyone, "Come on!" and telling them to cheer.

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It was... Yeah,

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Matt Barlow was awesome. They were so good.

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Conception,

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a progmodel band from Norway,

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they played twice because a band literally,

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days before the fest, had to back out over visa issues that they thought they had it. One band had to back out because they didn't properly take care of their visas.

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So I was like, you know, you screwed your face.

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Another band did everything possible and got screwed.

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So that was a shame for that second band.

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But Conception and another band playing at the Fest, the two headlines for Monday and Tuesday,

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or for Wednesday and Thursday,

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decided to play the empty slots on the opposite days.

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So Conception played the third slot on Wednesday,

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and then they did their headline set on Thursday,

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and vice versa for the other band. So we got an extra set at Conception. It was awesome.

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And they played different songs.

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And they had to literally prepare this with two days notice.

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So yeah,

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that was cool.

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Threshold.

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These are all prog bands.

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Not many of the power bands.

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Threshold played.

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They literally missed their flight. Their flight got canceled.

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And they literally got into Atlanta with like three or four hours to spare before they were supposed to be on stage.

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They came out and absolutely crushed their set,

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which was great.

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Fires in the Distance played. They were great.

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It was interesting seeing them after all the talk.

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We had about the new singer.

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He sounded pretty vicious on stage,

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but they got a really good reception for an opening day band, which I thought was nice.

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The reticent played. Everyone was depressed for the whole set.

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It's hard watching them. They were monstrous, their sound. They were way heavier than the last time I saw them.

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But at the end, you're just like, fuck,

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man.

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I don't know.

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They're the opening band. You're like,

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ah,

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that's it. I need a hug.

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I need a hug and I'm going home. I can't do this.

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Sadly,

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somebody yelled during their set to get off the stage because there was a video playing that was really hard to watch of a guy dying.

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Basically,

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they used to call them convalescent homes, but that type of a home,

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you see his progression from being a fully stout man to this just skin and bones at the end. It's really hard to watch.

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stuff very seriously in his life.

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So if you don't like it, you don't go.

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That's the way I look at it. Well, it's a little different,

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I think, from the rest of the Fests, where Prog Power is really more bright and energetic, I would say.

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Yeah.

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Happy Hobbits.

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Well, Happy Hobbits and a lot of swords and dragons for the power sort.

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But they were still great, you know, and I enjoyed it, even though I had to give myself a hug afterwards.

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It was great to see them.

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Disappointing set in that they only played one new song.

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They played everything from the first two albums, which is great.

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That's awesome.

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They just put on a new album.

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Throw a couple more songs.

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That's all.

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Still,

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they sounded awesome,

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but I just wanted to see more.

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Italian band called DGM was good.

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Then TR likes them a lot. I never got into them, but I might start to look into them because they're kind of like an Italian version of Symphony X a little bit.

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Kahn,

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the singer from conception also had his own set.

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So he performed three times in three days.

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And he did Camelot's The Black Halo because he used to be the singer in Camelot. So that was,

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which was cool.

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This guy was the MVP of the fest.

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Pretty much. Yeah.

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That's a lot for a singer to do.

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Yeah.

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And traveling like that.

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Yeah.

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Redemption played,

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which is a prog metal band.

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And their singer now is the guy from

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But Ray Alder from Fate's Warning showed up.

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Because he used to be in Redemption.

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And sang like 80% of the show.

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It was really cool for Tom from Evergray to kind of step aside and say, hey man, let's share the stage together.

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It was actually really cool.

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That's a good surprise,

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John.

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And Ray Alder, I think, sounds better now than he ever has. Ever has.

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Yeah.

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And then the highlight.

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A little Evergray moment.

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Apparently my mom follows

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our Insta feeds for the podcasts.

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And I walked through the door the other day and she's like,

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do you know a band ever something?

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I was like,

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ever gray.

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And she's like, yeah.

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She's like, I saw that on you.

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She thinks I post all this stuff.

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And so I'm like,

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she's always talking about stuff. I have no clue what's going on.

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And I was like, oh yeah, ever gray. Yeah, they're cool.

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Thanks, Ma.

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And you're like,

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George Costanzo, worlds are colliding, guys.

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Exactly.

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I just got Everclear stuck in my head now because I said it.

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Complete respect for that, though.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Let's watch the world die together,

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Matt.

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Yes, please.

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Watch the world die.

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I'm going to bring you out of it.

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Love that song.

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Love that band.

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I'll put this in your mind, Marcus, on Trust Me.

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You'll like this better.

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Because the visuals are pretty nice too.

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Maybe one of the best sets I've ever seen in my life.

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Maybe.

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It's up there. It's at top five for sure.

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Finally got to the Gathering play.

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Yes!

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With the Mandalian lineup,

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which was basically what?

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Five original members and Annika Van Kiersberg in the vocals.

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Boing!

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But they were all there.

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And they played a short set too.

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I get to play the full set that they've been playing on this tour. So they played 11 of the 14 songs,

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which was disappointing because one of the songs was Emotion 2 off of Mendelian.

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But for 11 songs,

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oh my goodness,

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it was insane.

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I mean, I literally afterwards,

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and it's not recency bias either.

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It was really, that's up there easily in the top three or four performances I've ever seen in my life.

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I mean, I never thought I'd get to see them.

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those six together,

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let alone, you know,

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getting to see them play that album,

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you know, most of the album.

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Yeah.

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And that's your,

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is that your favorite,

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John?

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From them?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's also,

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it's like my second,

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if it wasn't for Still Life from Opeth, that would be my favorite album.

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So of all time.

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So it was,

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and she sounded amazing and literally,

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and of course there was,

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you know,

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guys,

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men and women,

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Glued to the stage.

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Watching.

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I was like, oh, there's other band members?

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You know, so.

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No, it was great.

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So it was a great fest.

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I won't belabor anymore.

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We did get to hang out with our friends, Julian and Lance,

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who are both podcast followers

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for this and for Starweight 11.

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We hung out with them for almost the whole time.

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Been doing that for a number of years now.

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And it was great.

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We had a good time with everybody and

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so we start a new chapter next year

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so

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any questions

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from the audience?

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Well,

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wasn't Nevermore

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supposed to be there too?

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They were

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because of a visa issue

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for the lead singer

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so they said

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well,

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we'll be back

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well guess what

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they're headlining the fest next year

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oh my god

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so

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I'll read this off. Yes,

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definitely,

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John.

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Okay,

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and I won't take too much time.

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I will say,

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I was not... I wasn't jacked up. I wasn't excited for this.

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And I've come to the conclusion I'm going to treat this as going to a fest where I don't know much and just enjoying it for what it is. And who knows, maybe I walk out liking most of the bands, you know, and I want to buy stuff from them. I'm going to cue the trombone for you. Make sure you can drink more beer,

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John.

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I don't know. We'll see.

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I'll get a message.

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Hey,

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you're not drinking enough.

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What's going on?

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Your shields are down.

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What's wrong?

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Are you tired?

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More stouts,

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man!

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No, I'm fine. I'm good,

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you know.

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Order another beer.

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Use the app, Luke.

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Order the beer.

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Who's talking to me? Then some hairy guy just comes over my shoulder. It's me, man. Order a beer.

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Okay, so for the first day,

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I really don't know a lot of these bands.

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But anyway, the first one's called Event Horizon.

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They're from the U.S.

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Don't know.

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Okay.

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Silent Skies is the next band playing.

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And that actually has Tom, the main guy from Evergray.

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And I can't remember his name. And I feel bad about it because he's played at Prog Power so many times. He's from the Cleveland, Ohio area.

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He's now the keyboardist within Temptation.

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God, I can't remember his name.

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But he's been in a boatload of bands.

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He played,

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I don't know how many bands that weekend at Prog Power.

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That's kind of like piano rock almost,

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so I was a little surprised that they were going to be there.

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Metal Church must be on tour again because they're playing,

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which I thought was cool.

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I get it. You've got to slip some of these bands in there to fill spots sometimes.

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And I like Metal Church.

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Yeah,

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but there's only one guy left in Metal Church now.

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Yeah, it's like Metal Church V23.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Mark 23.

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A band called Heat from Sweden.

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I don't know them.

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They're like a hard rock AOR type band.

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I don't know.

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And then I'll say this wrong.

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If anyone knows how to say it right,

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go ahead and pronounce it after me.

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Iluvete.

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Iluvete.

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Yeah.

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It's not like that really.

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I saw her say it and I was like, yep,

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not I'm going to try.

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I always said Iluvete,

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but it's not.

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Yeah.

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So I knew that everyone would know that.

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I like that's what everyone does they're playing I might watch them it's like a folk metal that's like yeah I like them yeah yeah so I might and that's is that the band that the woman her name is is it Ann Murphy or Anna Murphy from Seller Darling that she her and a guy I believe so I think left yeah they play the hurdy-gurdy which is cool I've seen Seller Darling they're awesome I couldn't believe I mean I like the music but I couldn't believe how good they were live because that's a lot

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to replicate on stage.

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So that's day one.

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So day two,

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they announced only four of the six bands.

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I was like, well, what the hell is this all about?

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But we got one of them so far that came. So opening is Royal Sorrow.

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Don't know him from Finland.

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One of the TBAs was just announced as Triosphere from Norway.

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I guess they're a band kind of like Symphony X and DGM, that kind of prog power there, the hybrid band.

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That was the one CD I bought when I was in Norway.

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Was it really?

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Yeah. I mean, like,

00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:21.340
15 years ago or whatever it was.

00:21:21.490 --> 00:21:24.780
Yeah, they've been around for a little while. I don't, I, I'll check them out. It was good.

00:21:25.320 --> 00:21:25.680
Yeah.

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I think it's probably,

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you know, keep me entertained at the, at the worst,

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which is more than enough for me.

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Next is Einer Solberg,

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who's the main guy from Lephrys. He's doing a solo set.

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The other Einer.

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Yeah.

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So,

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which is wild because I've seen him there so many times playing with so many different people,

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you know, so that'll be cool.

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The next is a TBA.

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So we don't know who this

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They were supposed to be announced today,

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and they had to cancel them out already.

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But something came up to the point where it was agreed upon that it was best for both the Fest and for the band to do it.

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And everybody's on good terms,

00:22:02.760 --> 00:22:06.720
and the door is open for them to come back. So it was an extreme case, I guess.

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This shit happened.

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John,

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you've confirmed there are no prog metal bands named TBA.

00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:13.580
Well,

00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:15.360
you know, that's a good point.

00:22:15.560 --> 00:22:17.420
You might know somebody that I don't.

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Thank you.

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You never know. You never know.

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That'd be awesome if that's who it was,

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TBA.

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We are TBA.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:25.460
Good night.

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I know Marcason likes this band. I've seen them before a few times.

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I don't have an album by them, but they're awesome live.

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Unleash the Archers is coming back.

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Oh,

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yeah.

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They're really good live,

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too.

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Yeah.

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They're great live. And then Windrose,

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I don't know them from Italy. I think there's going to be dragons and dwarves. That's power metal.

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I've heard that. Oh,

00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:48.340
yeah.

00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:49.440
All right.

00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.940
I always do this every year on Prague Power.

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Day three,

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opening a band from Iceland called Power Paladin.

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Power Paladin, yeah.

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I've heard of them. I don't know them.

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This is like the first or second Prague-y band,

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ILO,

00:23:07.800 --> 00:23:08.460
from United Kingdom.

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I don't know them. I've seen the album pop up all over the place,

00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:13.440
and they've only got two albums, so I'll check them out.

00:23:13.900 --> 00:23:15.960
Next band from Italy called Vision Divine.

00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:17.600
Know them.

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I know them, but I don't know them.

00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:23.040
Next is Master Plan from Germany.

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That's going to be full on,

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you know,

00:23:25.320 --> 00:23:28.020
sailing on a sea of cheese, power metal singing and everything.

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This is the one that caught me by surprise.

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I didn't see this one coming.

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Lynch Mob is playing.

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What?

00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.000
Yes.

00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:40.960
For the 40th anniversary of Dawkins Back for the Attack.

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Ooh.

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Tempting.

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Yeah.

00:23:45.270 --> 00:23:47.620
So he must be on tour also, which makes me wonder,

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is he touring with

00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:50.540
with Metal Church.

00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:52.900
That would be an odd pairing.

00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:58.000
It would, but they're closer together than they are with the bands at Prog Power. True.

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They're both from that period.

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I like Dawkins.

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I don't like the fighting that goes on between George Lynch and Todd Dawkins. I think it's just absolutely silly.

00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:18.040
But I'll get to see George Lynch, and I know he's a great guitar player, and that'll be fine.

00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:19.880
And then the last band would be Nevermore.

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headlining the set,

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or the best.

00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.880
So I talk too much about it again, as usual,

00:24:26.120 --> 00:24:29.560
but... I don't know most of those bands,

00:24:29.740 --> 00:24:31.580
or I'm not into some of those bands,

00:24:31.820 --> 00:24:37.060
so yeah, I'm interested in Archer's and Nevermore would be the tops for me, for sure.

00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:37.720
Yeah,

00:24:37.900 --> 00:24:40.540
and I listened to a little bit of each.

00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.220
Like George said, that Triosphere is pretty good.

00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:48.300
I mean, I'll check them out, and apparently their new album is very good. People are loving it. Yeah, I think it came out this year.

00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:50.640
just recently,

00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:54.260
like last month or two months maybe? Yeah, I feel like I've seen something about them recently.

00:24:55.520 --> 00:24:56.320
I'll check it out.

00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:56.960
You know,

00:24:57.520 --> 00:25:02.060
look, I'm not a fan of the last few albums from Leprous,

00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:03.160
but that guy,

00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:03.460
Einer,

00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:04.720
he's great live.

00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:10.980
I mean, he may be not my favorite vocal style, but he always is a great performer, so I'll watch that for sure.

00:25:11.300 --> 00:25:13.480
I bet they're better live than their albums.

00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:16.080
Oh, I've seen Leprous a bunch of times,

00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:17.620
but he's doing a solo set,

00:25:17.800 --> 00:25:18.020
so.

00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:18.620
Oh,

00:25:18.840 --> 00:25:19.600
yeah. Yeah, it's,

00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:20.020
Yeah,

00:25:20.230 --> 00:25:21.120
so it's going to be a little different.

00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:27.140
Event Horizon is kind of a prog metal rock band. I'll definitely check them out. I mean, I love the movie.

00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:28.880
Love it. I was going to say.

00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:31.280
I think the anniversary is this year,

00:25:31.530 --> 00:25:31.640
actually.

00:25:31.820 --> 00:25:32.740
Actually, I misspoke.

00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:34.060
It's Advent Horizon,

00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:35.040
not Event Horizon.

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:35.320
Oh,

00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:36.500
you're thinking of the movie.

00:25:36.860 --> 00:25:37.560
Yeah, well, yeah.

00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:38.120
I mean, who?

00:25:38.980 --> 00:25:41.260
Damn Neil coming out all bloodied up and shit.

00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:42.240
That's so good.

00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.520
You know, that thing spinning in the background,

00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:45.600
like, what the fuck is that?

00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:47.360
Speaking of cool movies,

00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:49.880
you guys probably already know this. I know John knows this.

00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:57.800
But I'm going to see The Wrath of Khan at the Lyric Theater in Baltimore and get my picture taken with William Shatner.

00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:02.140
Nice. Because he's going to be there doing like a Q&A after the movie.

00:26:02.520 --> 00:26:04.480
I want a height update. To be clear.

00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:09.260
Or what? I want to know if he's like 5'5 now since he shrunk a little bit.

00:26:09.820 --> 00:26:10.220
Well,

00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:15.960
I was reading because it's a stupid amount of money to get your picture taken.

00:26:16.580 --> 00:26:19.800
And you don't even get like more than like two, three seconds.

00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.840
It says that they move you through really fast.

00:26:24.080 --> 00:26:25.060
You walk up.

00:26:25.620 --> 00:26:27.940
You stand there. You can't shake hands or anything.

00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:29.120
You just walk up,

00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:30.180
smile,

00:26:30.760 --> 00:26:31.100
and go.

00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:32.200
I mean,

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:33.500
the guy's like 90-something.

00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:35.320
And that is part of the reason.

00:26:36.380 --> 00:26:43.880
I'm hoping they don't do. They said in some places they put him behind a plastic shield. I'm like, well, then there's no point.

00:26:44.560 --> 00:26:45.800
That's just like, whoa, look,

00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:46.660
Kirk in a box.

00:26:46.900 --> 00:26:47.280
Actually,

00:26:48.040 --> 00:26:48.980
pretty fun photograph.

00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.480
If he was behind the plastic shield and you were in front. George, no. Then I'd have to be like,

00:26:53.840 --> 00:26:56.820
I am and always will be your friend.

00:26:57.080 --> 00:26:59.260
You've got to do Star Trek 3 if that's the case.

00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:02.360
You've got to just drop to the ground and everything and put your hand up.

00:27:02.540 --> 00:27:04.340
Yes. He's like, you almost got Hannibal.

00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:05.760
You can't be near me.

00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:11.000
And then security will come up and say, you know you're the 58th guy to do this today.

00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:12.240
Let's go. Come on, move it.

00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:14.280
Lucky number 58.

00:27:14.800 --> 00:27:18.120
He was just here for a Riot Fest playing with his metal band.

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:19.140
That's right.

00:27:19.860 --> 00:27:22.020
I didn't go, but the captain,

00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.160
my friend the captain went.

00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:24.140
Yeah,

00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:25.540
I saw a little bit.

00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:28.580
And it's a novelty. It shouldn't be a tour.

00:27:29.340 --> 00:27:29.820
Yeah,

00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:30.220
yeah.

00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.240
I mean, I think it's good for a festival like that.

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:33.000
That's it,

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:33.340
yeah.

00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:35.420
But George,

00:27:35.780 --> 00:27:38.220
I'm glad you left the ticket purchase in the episode.

00:27:38.520 --> 00:27:40.380
That was a nice piece.

00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:43.840
Well, I thought it was a good study on Obsession.

00:27:44.340 --> 00:27:44.560
Yeah.

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:50.080
any podcasts.

00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:50.920
Yeah.

00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:53.460
But they were like, yeah, this is getting cut out.

00:27:53.510 --> 00:27:54.220
And I'm like, no,

00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:55.220
it's not.

00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:55.940
I know.

00:27:56.010 --> 00:27:56.240
I know.

00:27:56.300 --> 00:27:58.800
As I'm listening to it, I'm like, I'm so glad he didn't cut this out.

00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:01.500
I'm here in real time because we've all been there, right?

00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:03.560
I mean, and we could be there again tomorrow,

00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.240
depending on what's on tour.

00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:15.080
I was balancing the rudeness of derailing it for a few minutes with the this is real aspect.

00:28:15.350 --> 00:28:15.560
You know,

00:28:15.800 --> 00:28:16.980
this is how it is.

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:17.640
Breaking news.

00:28:17.900 --> 00:28:18.320
Exactly.

00:28:23.059 --> 00:28:24.340
Breaking my bank.

00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:25.860
All right.

00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.960
I have one more other show.

00:28:27.980 --> 00:28:28.440
If you don't mind,

00:28:28.600 --> 00:28:31.660
I'll just take two seconds because George is tired of me talking about this band.

00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.620
But I thought that I would never see The Gathering Play of Annika again.

00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:38.700
And I never thought I'd get to see Rush again.

00:28:38.760 --> 00:28:40.400
And I saw them finally in Cleveland.

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:41.600
Awesome show.

00:28:42.120 --> 00:28:42.780
That's all I'm going to say.

00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:45.700
And I'll be seeing them and you'll be seeing them.

00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.940
And TR will be seeing them again later this month.

00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:50.540
I'll be going to both shows, yes.

00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:51.640
Yes.

00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:55.780
It'll be my first time ever seeing Rush.

00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:56.280
What?

00:28:57.320 --> 00:28:57.780
Yeah.

00:28:58.320 --> 00:28:59.140
First time ever.

00:29:05.540 --> 00:29:08.800
I didn't know that. John needs another hug.

00:29:10.660 --> 00:29:11.220
No.

00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:14.800
Let's just wrap this up so I go feed my cat.

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:15.760
Right.

00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:16.920
Wow.

00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.700
Talk about a kick in the nuts.

00:29:21.360 --> 00:29:22.100
I didn't know that.

00:29:22.520 --> 00:29:23.240
Oh, yeah. Okay.

00:29:23.580 --> 00:29:24.360
Yeah, never been.

00:29:24.700 --> 00:29:25.220
Never been.

00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:27.760
So I'm happy you're going to go.

00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:30.140
There's another tour that people have been going to.

00:29:30.860 --> 00:29:31.060
What?

00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:32.460
Yeah.

00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:34.080
Anybody go to that tour?

00:29:39.580 --> 00:29:41.580
That's the Iron Maiden tour.

00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.640
You in the back with the beard.

00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:44.740
What show did you go to?

00:29:45.980 --> 00:29:47.840
Everybody has a beard on this podcast.

00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:48.340
Right now.

00:29:51.300 --> 00:29:51.540
Yep.

00:29:51.820 --> 00:29:51.900
Yeah.

00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:53.520
Iron Maiden, Run For Your Lives,

00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.240
50th anniversary tour.

00:29:55.650 --> 00:29:56.960
Three of us have gone,

00:29:57.110 --> 00:29:57.240
so.

00:29:57.580 --> 00:29:58.380
Three separate shows,

00:29:58.570 --> 00:29:59.320
three separate places.

00:30:00.340 --> 00:30:01.260
Zero new songs.

00:30:04.340 --> 00:30:05.420
As it should be.

00:30:06.560 --> 00:30:06.660
Yeah,

00:30:06.850 --> 00:30:07.680
but I'll be honest,

00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:11.220
the opening four songs, I mean, you could have just walked

00:30:11.270 --> 00:30:12.540
out after that and said, all right, I'm done.

00:30:12.550 --> 00:30:14.180
I got to see the awesome part of the show.

00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.520
Yeah,

00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:16.820
there was no filler on this thing.

00:30:17.470 --> 00:30:17.580
No.

00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:18.700
So this was all me.

00:30:19.260 --> 00:30:20.040
It was awesome.

00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:22.060
And I just think they sounded great,

00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:22.520
too.

00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:26.680
Well, first of all, I went with the captain. He had never seen Maiden before.

00:30:27.460 --> 00:30:32.860
And so I was like, you need to go see Maiden. Who knows how many more years we're going to have with them.

00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:35.140
They're pretty spry.

00:30:35.380 --> 00:30:38.400
So I think they're going to be around for longer. But you just never know.

00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:47.700
They're getting up there. Yeah. I said the same thing. I was like, so I went with three of the guys from Michigan that I grew up with.

00:30:47.740 --> 00:30:48.200
up with.

00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:51.060
And two of them had never seen them either.

00:30:52.320 --> 00:30:53.000
And so

00:30:55.300 --> 00:30:57.920
we're watching and, you know, being blown away.

00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.300
In fact,

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.560
the group text just came up again

00:31:01.820 --> 00:31:03.840
today and they were like, I can't believe we saw Maiden.

00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:11.420
So, you know, almost a month later and they're still still feeling the love.

00:31:12.540 --> 00:31:14.000
But I was like, man,

00:31:15.020 --> 00:31:15.120
well,

00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:17.700
because I was I sold it to him as, you know, this might be the last

00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:47.680
you get the chance to see him and we're watching him and I'm like why would you go out if you're still playing like this you know I mean okay go out on top I get it but I was like they could easily come back in two years and do this again assuming everybody's not had any accidents or you know illnesses or anything yeah I mean at my show Bruce is like you know we're gonna keep doing this he actually mentioned that during it because I think he just had the time of his life

00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:48.120
onstage.

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.760
And I really liked how they had that big backdrop,

00:31:53.140 --> 00:31:53.860
that screen.

00:31:54.300 --> 00:31:57.640
And then a lot of times Bruce was interacting with it. Yeah.

00:31:57.820 --> 00:31:59.660
He would like disappear and go on screen.

00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:06.920
Yeah. Yeah. Or there was the stairs that went up and it looked like he was actually ascending and fighting fucking demons and shit.

00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:09.120
So I really thought that was cool.

00:32:09.580 --> 00:32:15.020
I didn't know how it would go. And they, of course, they worked in like puppets and Eddie and all that.

00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:15.540
Yeah.

00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:16.040
I,

00:32:16.560 --> 00:32:17.620
that, this was the first,

00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:22.320
The first show I think that I've seen for Iron Maiden in my 30-odd years of seeing Iron Maiden,

00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.500
where they did not have,

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:26.460
during Iron Maiden,

00:32:26.620 --> 00:32:26.860
the song,

00:32:27.300 --> 00:32:30.200
the Eddie that pops up and comes out. It was just on the screen.

00:32:30.360 --> 00:32:33.260
This is the only time I've ever seen them where they did not have a physical Eddie.

00:32:35.360 --> 00:32:41.380
But that said, the stuff that did that on the screen is way better than anything they've ever done on the screen before.

00:32:42.300 --> 00:32:43.260
And so,

00:32:44.340 --> 00:32:45.980
you know, the times are changing,

00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.200
but it was worth it.

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.120
And Bruce's voice was amazing.

00:32:51.020 --> 00:32:53.620
Like, probably better than I've seen, heard him,

00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:55.760
like, in the last few times I've seen him.

00:32:57.520 --> 00:32:58.180
That's awesome.

00:32:58.640 --> 00:32:59.920
Matt, you saw him?

00:33:00.580 --> 00:33:02.120
Yeah, I had a group of eight.

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.180
One of them, which was my boy child,

00:33:04.460 --> 00:33:05.540
first time he saw them.

00:33:05.740 --> 00:33:06.740
Another was Eric,

00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:08.040
friend of the podcast.

00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:09.980
My boy child. His daughter.

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.160
His daughter. Yeah,

00:33:11.320 --> 00:33:11.620
exactly.

00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:12.720
And it,

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:16.020
you know, having seen them a number of times,

00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.980
You really can't convey what was cool about it.

00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:21.420
For me,

00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:22.720
it was good because I didn't hear.

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.280
It was just nice to hear old material that sounded perfect.

00:33:27.860 --> 00:33:30.140
It just sounded exactly like I wanted to.

00:33:31.060 --> 00:33:38.500
A couple people with us, some family members who have just been diehard maiden people their whole lives, they just walked away like that was the best main show I've ever seen.

00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:40.400
I was like, this is just wonderful.

00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:42.180
This was a good evening.

00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.380
We had this new amphitheater open up in Mindy

00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.160
And so besides Maiden,

00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:52.280
we got a Slayer golden ticket from Holy Wonka.

00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.140
And so they came to town with, it was Hatebreed,

00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:56.160
Suicidal,

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.320
Down,

00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:58.440
and Slayer.

00:33:59.080 --> 00:34:01.780
And it was part of the playing Rain and Blood in its entirety.

00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:02.260
Wow.

00:34:03.840 --> 00:34:05.920
What did they do for the other hour and a half?

00:34:07.060 --> 00:34:07.540
Actually,

00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:08.760
the funny thing is,

00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:11.580
the first hour and a half was other stuff.

00:34:11.740 --> 00:34:13.040
And then they played Rain and Blood.

00:34:13.220 --> 00:34:15.700
Were they encored with it? Oh, that's cool.

00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:17.100
I kept telling people,

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:17.320
like,

00:34:17.419 --> 00:34:18.600
that album's only 30 minutes.

00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:21.240
I know that by heart.

00:34:21.600 --> 00:34:22.360
28 minutes.

00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:23.679
Yeah,

00:34:23.850 --> 00:34:23.960
exactly.

00:34:24.379 --> 00:34:27.280
They could have really encored with that, and that would have been the greatest encore ever.

00:34:27.720 --> 00:34:28.080
Yeah,

00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:30.159
we're going to play an encore for you now,

00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:31.179
the whole album.

00:34:31.879 --> 00:34:36.020
Do a full set. People are like, what the fuck? They didn't play the album. And they come out and say, we're going to play the whole album as the encore.

00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.940
That would be badass.

00:34:39.580 --> 00:34:47.379
What was interesting is that the first concert I went to at this new amphitheater, which also included my boy Child and Eric and his family, was Guns N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N' N'

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:47.580
and roses.

00:34:48.080 --> 00:34:49.860
It was good to see them,

00:34:50.060 --> 00:34:51.120
but they played for three hours.

00:34:51.370 --> 00:34:54.360
There was a lot of guitar solos. There was a lot of filler.

00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:55.480
No new songs.

00:34:56.260 --> 00:34:56.580
No. Yeah.

00:34:56.780 --> 00:34:58.220
Well, there was like six new songs.

00:34:58.430 --> 00:34:58.520
Unfortunately,

00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:01.320
like we're all like, this must be off Chinese's democracy.

00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:05.380
And I wouldn't look like, no, these are like legit new guns and roses songs. I just don't know about,

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:09.660
but to go from that to Slayer who had zero encores,

00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:11.180
they had zero breaks.

00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:13.720
They just played for like 90 minutes.

00:35:13.970 --> 00:35:15.180
They did not love it.

00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:15.540
Stop.

00:35:15.700 --> 00:35:16.540
They did. It was just like,

00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:17.380
there's no

00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.080
There's nothing like we just played the stage setup,

00:35:20.410 --> 00:35:32.300
you know, again with the like the background screen the stuff it does and like stacks of martial amps and upside down crosses more pyro than you can shake a stick at. I mean, it was pretty it was pretty epic.

00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:32.860
Yeah,

00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:38.000
so I saw them do Rain of Blood last year and it sounds like a similar set and it was amazing.

00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.080
Wow.

00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.900
It was the Hershey Park show.

00:35:41.120 --> 00:35:41.600
Hershey Park, yeah.

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:42.100
Yeah.

00:35:42.630 --> 00:35:42.740
Awesome.

00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:43.320
Awesome.

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.240
Well, I mean,

00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:47.380
getting back to Maiden, we should we should mention that the the set

00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.180
was just from their first nine studio albums. So it's their self-titled debut through the dark,

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:54.400
which was 92,

00:35:55.120 --> 00:35:55.460
I think.

00:35:56.380 --> 00:36:00.640
So what I really liked is they played some fucking deep cuts,

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.440
man. I don't know if you guys got that as well,

00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:05.360
but like Infinite Dreams.

00:36:05.720 --> 00:36:07.500
Yeah. They haven't played that since 88.

00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.200
I know they keep saying that, but I swear I've seen them play it.

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:11.980
Like, I know.

00:36:12.220 --> 00:36:14.840
I feel like I have too. Like within the last 10 years.

00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:16.080
Yes.

00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:16.680
But,

00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:20.540
Yeah, but they do say that, but I swear I've seen it.

00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.480
That's awesome.

00:36:22.830 --> 00:36:26.380
But you got some... The way it started, I thought was awesome.

00:36:27.100 --> 00:36:29.260
But Murders in a Room Org. Yeah.

00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.420
Right into... I mean, if you want spoilers,

00:36:32.780 --> 00:36:35.000
I mean, it's gonna be hard to not hear this,

00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:37.100
but Wrath Child and Killers, you're like, what?

00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.140
And then Phantom.

00:36:40.040 --> 00:36:40.480
Yeah,

00:36:40.660 --> 00:36:42.320
I got that too. Gotta love Phantom.

00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:43.500
Love it.

00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:44.200
Yeah.

00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:45.120
Coaster.

00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:45.640
Nice.

00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:47.360
For me, it was like...

00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:51.400
The Ides of March and Murders in the Room War back-to-back.

00:36:52.140 --> 00:36:53.680
So that was cool.

00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:56.100
Which is funny, because that's not how it is on the album.

00:36:57.680 --> 00:36:58.160
Yeah.

00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:04.500
I wanted to go, I just couldn't work it out because of Prague Power.

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.320
I want to just say something real quick. Does it feel like 1985 right now?

00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.100
Think of all these tours that are happening right now.

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:11.800
Rush,

00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:13.040
Maiden,

00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:13.960
Slayer.

00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:16.920
Taking Slayer out of the equation right now.

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.820
Rush and Maiden have these massive video things going on right now.

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:24.500
George, it's the same thing.

00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:26.700
You saw the Maiden thing Rush is doing.

00:37:27.160 --> 00:37:28.940
They've never done anything like this before.

00:37:30.120 --> 00:37:32.000
And both of those bands got put to shame.

00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:35.740
Have you guys seen Metallica in Vegas?

00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:38.240
I saw a couple.

00:37:38.660 --> 00:37:40.040
I didn't see any clips, but I saw some photos.

00:37:40.580 --> 00:37:41.900
Holy shit.

00:37:42.180 --> 00:37:42.560
Yeah,

00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:42.980
well.

00:37:43.680 --> 00:37:43.960
No,

00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.480
I mean, say what you want about them.

00:37:47.220 --> 00:37:47.880
They were playing,

00:37:48.060 --> 00:37:49.500
what, The Sphere or whatever it's called?

00:37:50.620 --> 00:37:51.460
Holy smokes.

00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:52.660
It looks awesome.

00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:56.780
Yeah, I mean, I think anything at The Sphere is going to look amazing if it's,

00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:57.180
you know,

00:37:57.460 --> 00:38:01.860
not completely. Yeah, but to see all the early artwork to the songs and,

00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.160
you know, it's all, there's movement on it. It's not just the images.

00:38:05.580 --> 00:38:06.840
It's just like, fuck, this is cool.

00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.760
All right, you got me for one night. You know, once the Black Album comes on, I'll go take a piss, get a beer,

00:38:12.250 --> 00:38:15.860
you know, which is probably like half the show, but still,

00:38:16.020 --> 00:38:17.120
and apparently Rush,

00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:19.800
has got a thing they're planning there too. I'm like, oh.

00:38:20.140 --> 00:38:20.540
Yeah.

00:38:21.100 --> 00:38:22.420
That's a lot of money, man.

00:38:22.640 --> 00:38:25.640
And the backdrop for Rime of the Ancient Mariner,

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:26.740
that was awesome.

00:38:27.020 --> 00:38:27.420
Oh, yeah.

00:38:27.660 --> 00:38:28.460
What did they do?

00:38:28.660 --> 00:38:30.940
Oh, we can't tell you.

00:38:31.340 --> 00:38:32.100
Okay, I'll go on.

00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:32.940
I'll watch the video.

00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:33.920
No, don't tell me.

00:38:34.520 --> 00:38:35.940
I'll go watch the video.

00:38:36.100 --> 00:38:37.480
It's a very sea,

00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:39.060
you know,

00:38:39.620 --> 00:38:46.840
captain and like crazy creatures. There's the albatross flying around and the rolling dice for the crew,

00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.380
the two opposing forces.

00:38:49.670 --> 00:38:51.400
And it was just pretty awesome.

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:52.360
It was beautiful.

00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:53.800
That's so cool.

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.620
Dark and filled with beauty.

00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:02.300
So happy to see all our older bands that had, you know, interesting artwork early on.

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:03.160
Now,

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:03.660
finally,

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.400
towards the twilight,

00:39:05.640 --> 00:39:07.200
it is what it is.

00:39:07.620 --> 00:39:10.060
Being able to do these cool things for their fans that,

00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:14.160
like, Rush didn't have the greatest covers in the world,

00:39:14.220 --> 00:39:18.020
But like any band that I was a fan of, I would just stare at these things for hours,

00:39:18.590 --> 00:39:20.920
trying to figure out what's, I'm going to see something nobody else has seen.

00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:23.060
We know we've all done that for the Maiden albums.

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:24.360
Come on, we still do it.

00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:32.260
I know I'm going to find something on, somewhere in time, something's going to be there, I know it. Well, especially on Somewhere in Time, there's so much going on in that thing.

00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:33.220
And then you realize,

00:39:33.580 --> 00:39:34.600
you don't know the secret,

00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.140
the dirty little secret, is they started that on Power Slave.

00:39:37.420 --> 00:39:40.440
You have to really look close on Power Slave, there's all kinds of stuff on there.

00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:41.320
That's right.

00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:42.700
No, that's awesome.

00:39:42.860 --> 00:39:43.800
I'm glad you guys got to see them.

00:39:44.220 --> 00:39:48.560
Yeah, it was especially fun going with a captain because you get to see him for the first time,

00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:49.000
you know,

00:39:49.220 --> 00:39:51.140
so just kind of blown away.

00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:52.480
Didn't know what to expect.

00:39:52.750 --> 00:39:53.000
And then,

00:39:53.470 --> 00:39:55.400
you know, there's really nothing like a maiden show.

00:39:55.660 --> 00:39:57.840
So I enjoyed that.

00:39:59.240 --> 00:39:59.300
Yeah,

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:00.160
absolutely.

00:40:01.140 --> 00:40:01.280
Cool.

00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:04.900
Let's move on to the new releases then.

00:40:06.810 --> 00:40:07.600
The new releases,

00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:09.880
we the new releases three.

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.680
That is my worst Monty Python rhyme,

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:14.020
but.

00:40:14.240 --> 00:40:15.680
That's all I got on the spot.

00:40:17.200 --> 00:40:19.060
So we have three new releases for you.

00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.820
It's been so long that there have been like a million releases.

00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:30.480
And I just sort of threw up my hands and said, I don't know, I guess just we're only doing three.

00:40:30.680 --> 00:40:35.680
Let's just do these three because they're relatively recent and or notable.

00:40:37.220 --> 00:40:41.160
So first one is the new Anthrax album.

00:40:42.260 --> 00:40:43.980
Curse them per fecio.

00:40:46.060 --> 00:40:48.400
I'm not sure if that's a soft or hard C.

00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:50.940
It's their, I think, 13th album.

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:52.440
Porficio.

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.700
It's an Italian wizard from Hogwarts.

00:40:58.300 --> 00:40:59.540
Curse him porficio.

00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:03.540
That's the first thing I think of when I see that.

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.160
Yeah, apparently 13th album.

00:41:08.580 --> 00:41:14.120
I was pretty excited for this because the last few albums with Joey have been pretty awesome, I thought.

00:41:16.640 --> 00:41:18.160
I did not.

00:41:19.700 --> 00:41:20.780
It did not move.

00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:24.480
When I listened to this, it didn't move.

00:41:26.100 --> 00:41:26.900
It was okay.

00:41:27.620 --> 00:41:28.480
Wasn't bad.

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.720
But it just was not pumping my nards.

00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:37.780
I mean, I feel the same way. I think it's a decent record,

00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.380
but it's just mostly a collection of mediocre tracks.

00:41:40.680 --> 00:41:44.180
But there are a couple standouts there. I really like the edge of perfection.

00:41:44.260 --> 00:42:14.200
I think it's one of the best songs they've done it's got this kind of atmospheric black metal element to it and the the vocal parts are pretty infectious and I did not expect that from that at all so I think there's some good stuff on the record and it has a lot of variety but it isn't consistently engaging to me it's definitely not as good as for all kings in my opinion and I had high hopes just like you did George that they'd be able to come close to making something as good

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:14.660
as kings.

00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:16.880
And I think they take a swing,

00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:23.060
but they don't quite get all the ball on this one. And they had like 10 years to do it.

00:42:23.620 --> 00:42:24.380
And whoops.

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.940
Sometimes if you wait too long,

00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:28.740
you know, you kind of lose it.

00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:30.880
Once they did that for all kings, like,

00:42:31.040 --> 00:42:34.660
man, they should have just got right back into it because they were in a groove there, I thought. Yeah, I agree.

00:42:40.620 --> 00:42:41.940
Sorry, there was something.

00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:42.500
Oh!

00:42:46.520 --> 00:42:48.440
I'm like sad that Jay's not here.

00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:59.020
You were talking about black metal riffs and that reminded me that I picked up this music software Positive Grid Bias X.

00:43:00.100 --> 00:43:03.720
It's a guitar tone program plug-in.

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.440
Jay,

00:43:06.040 --> 00:43:07.560
I think you might recall,

00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:13.840
picked up the Positive Grid Spark mini amplifier thing and was pimping it on here, I believe.

00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:16.200
either that or Stairway, one of them.

00:43:16.520 --> 00:43:17.720
It was Stairway, I think.

00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:18.200
Okay.

00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:20.880
And this is just a plug-in,

00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:29.740
but you can type into a text field and say, I want a guitar tone that sounds like Johnny Ramone,

00:43:29.970 --> 00:43:34.140
and it builds you an amp and pedal combination that sounds like that.

00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.880
And most of the stuff I've put in there is pretty spot on.

00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:42.440
So then I got a little crazy.

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:44.200
And I was like,

00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.480
give me Mayhem's Dom de Mystery Satanus.

00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:51.360
Okay,

00:43:51.620 --> 00:43:51.760
okay,

00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.660
give me Emperor's I Am The Black Wizards.

00:43:55.740 --> 00:43:56.760
And holy crap,

00:43:56.980 --> 00:44:05.560
these raw 90s black metal guitar tones sound so amazing when you tremolo pick.

00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:12.400
You know, I've done lots of tremolo picking that just sounded weak because whatever,

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:18.400
I was using just didn't sound good. And I'm like, I just like sat there and played like,

00:44:19.050 --> 00:44:19.300
you know,

00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:22.860
tremolo fricking riffs for like an hour. Cause I was like, it sounds so cool.

00:44:23.970 --> 00:44:24.100
Um,

00:44:24.740 --> 00:44:26.800
real musicians probably don't have that problem,

00:44:27.040 --> 00:44:27.440
but,

00:44:27.750 --> 00:44:27.860
uh,

00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:28.960
chumps like me,

00:44:29.370 --> 00:44:29.480
uh,

00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:30.340
we gotta,

00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:32.180
we gotta take these wins where we get them.

00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:32.880
Um,

00:44:33.100 --> 00:44:33.820
so anyway,

00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.180
I wanted to mention that maybe. You're a good musician,

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:36.460
George.

00:44:36.620 --> 00:44:37.700
Don't, don't belittle yourself.

00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:39.260
Anyway,

00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:40.040
thank you.

00:44:40.620 --> 00:44:41.760
I appreciate it.

00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:42.540
Anyway,

00:44:43.080 --> 00:44:43.280
sorry.

00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:47.380
Are we done with Anthrax now?

00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:49.660
Do you have anything to say about that?

00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.620
I'm kind of in the same boat.

00:44:53.260 --> 00:44:53.660
Okay.

00:44:54.180 --> 00:44:55.700
It was good to have a listen through.

00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:57.800
John?

00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.200
I was going to say I haven't listened to it yet. I'm sorry.

00:45:01.620 --> 00:45:02.420
Oh, that's okay.

00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.360
I'll pay you back on that one later.

00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:06.900
That's fine.

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:07.680
Actually,

00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:10.640
I'll pay you back right now with the next album.

00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:12.620
Oh,

00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:12.900
shit.

00:45:13.750 --> 00:45:17.460
The next album is Dreadnought and Wars of Spirit,

00:45:17.620 --> 00:45:18.540
Wards of Light.

00:45:18.720 --> 00:45:26.180
I'm not sure which number this is because I could not find... Every Dreadnought band I found online did not seem to be this one.

00:45:26.370 --> 00:45:35.280
I could not find... They're not on Metal Archives and Wikipedia and... I actually had to go to Rate Your Music.

00:45:36.080 --> 00:45:37.020
So six.

00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:38.520
Thank you, Matt. I believe this is number six.

00:45:38.680 --> 00:45:38.940
Okay.

00:45:39.140 --> 00:45:40.040
That sounds about right.

00:45:40.220 --> 00:45:41.160
It's number six.

00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.240
Why are they not in Metal Archives?

00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.180
They're a metal band.

00:45:43.430 --> 00:45:44.480
Because metal archives,

00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:47.320
those dudes are douchebag gatekeepers.

00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:53.300
They don't have Exist on there either, but they have weight, and weight sounds more gent-y than Exist.

00:45:53.780 --> 00:45:54.320
Do the math.

00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:55.760
There's a lot of stuff that's not on there.

00:45:55.940 --> 00:45:56.920
Yeah, a ton of stuff.

00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.120
Well,

00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:02.260
let's get rid of this douchebaggery and get it right.

00:46:03.600 --> 00:46:10.760
Yeah, it kind of sucks, because I would feel like, you know, Dreadmott, I don't know, they kind of like have this whole black metal thing going on in their music.

00:46:11.060 --> 00:46:12.080
You'd think that would qualify.

00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:15.560
You know, so it qualifies enough.

00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:16.560
Well,

00:46:16.740 --> 00:46:18.460
apparently it doesn't for a lot of bands.

00:46:18.700 --> 00:46:18.900
Yeah.

00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:25.600
I spent 20 minutes typing their name in trying to find them in Metal Archives because I'm like, there's no way they're not in here.

00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:26.000
Yeah.

00:46:26.200 --> 00:46:28.600
There's like six bands called Dreadnought and none of them are it. Yeah.

00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:32.640
And those bands all spell it differently too.

00:46:33.140 --> 00:46:33.300
Yeah.

00:46:33.640 --> 00:46:37.040
Some spell it with an A, some spell it with an O in the knot part.

00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:39.740
Well,

00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:40.000
anyway,

00:46:40.240 --> 00:46:41.380
I have not listened to this.

00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:48.380
So I know it's John and Matt's album of the month, which is why I put it on here.

00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:49.320
Yeah.

00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:50.360
Yeah.

00:46:51.080 --> 00:46:51.500
Go ahead, Matt.

00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:52.980
I mean,

00:46:54.500 --> 00:46:55.120
interestingly enough,

00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.880
Dreadnought has been one of those bands that I was just waiting to have my moment with.

00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.100
I've I've liked what they've done. I haven't listened to it too extensively,

00:47:04.520 --> 00:47:06.120
not because I don't like what I'm hearing.

00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:07.540
It's just time.

00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:08.280
And,

00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:09.460
you know,

00:47:09.620 --> 00:47:11.560
there's thousands of other bands to listen to.

00:47:11.660 --> 00:47:13.240
And for whatever reason,

00:47:13.810 --> 00:47:15.760
I know they had one track come out a little bit earlier.

00:47:16.710 --> 00:47:17.440
I listened to that,

00:47:17.640 --> 00:47:21.800
fell in love with it. And then the whole album came out and I spun it and I was like,

00:47:22.660 --> 00:47:22.800
wow.

00:47:23.180 --> 00:47:24.540
Like it, it just blew my mind.

00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:25.780
And honestly,

00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:28.920
the, some of this stuff has still been in my head, even as we're talking.

00:47:29.370 --> 00:47:29.460
Um,

00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.840
but the rest is replaced by Everclear.

00:47:34.520 --> 00:47:34.860
Yeah, exactly.

00:47:35.450 --> 00:47:36.560
You know, watch the world die,

00:47:36.740 --> 00:47:37.220
Santa Monica.

00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:38.100
Um,

00:47:38.620 --> 00:47:39.880
so I guess for me,

00:47:40.050 --> 00:47:41.640
as someone who's not a

00:47:41.660 --> 00:47:42.600
not aficionado,

00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:46.180
but someone who is, I mean, I almost feel like I'm new to them.

00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.400
I'm excited to go through their back catalog,

00:47:48.700 --> 00:47:48.860
although,

00:47:49.200 --> 00:47:49.960
you know, Marcus,

00:47:50.220 --> 00:47:53.000
I take things into account. Like you said,

00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:56.080
you know, it's not my album of the month, but this is definitely the best album they've ever done.

00:47:56.900 --> 00:47:58.020
I can totally see that.

00:48:00.580 --> 00:48:00.980
Cool.

00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:02.240
Yeah,

00:48:02.640 --> 00:48:03.060
no, it's,

00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:07.380
I've been a fan going back, I think now to when Bridging Roams,

00:48:07.600 --> 00:48:09.160
or yeah, Bridging Roams came out,

00:48:10.120 --> 00:48:10.640
and which,

00:48:11.680 --> 00:48:41.640
I'm on the fence which one's better between that one and the new one because those are the two I think that are their best albums but I like this version of the band better now though the last two albums they've kind of got a little leaner in their sound and it's a little more not straightforward but they had long songs on every album 14-15 minutes and they'd be like four of those now they've got six songs they're all ranging from like seven to nine minutes and I think they just

00:48:43.600 --> 00:48:45.220
I thought have been great.

00:48:46.640 --> 00:48:47.280
But the new albums,

00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.040
it's super.

00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:59.380
They've had this kind of prog post-metal meets avant-garde with their own version of black metal.

00:48:59.980 --> 00:49:03.840
I don't know how you define who they are because they do all that stuff.

00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:05.080
Probably,

00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.920
I think you would agree, Marcus, I'm probably heavier on the black metal in the earlier albums.

00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.640
But it's not traditional black metal.

00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.820
It's folkier jazzier. This has got,

00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:22.340
like, electronics and synth. This is, like, way different than what they've done.

00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:26.860
Yeah, so the keyboardist and singer left.

00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:27.980
So they had two singers,

00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:30.580
and she left. So now the guitarist,

00:49:31.250 --> 00:49:33.900
who was a singer, now has taken on all the synth and keyboard work.

00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:36.620
And it's gotten synthier than before.

00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.340
Not so much keyboard-y, but it's, like,

00:49:39.400 --> 00:50:09.380
is added in that electronic element to which is giving it a whole different dynamic and yeah it's a little jazzier in spots on this album well it's it's no you can't define what they do they're all this stuff at one time um and they've added more male harsh vocals in there and i does he do any cleans also i think it's a little bit yeah but his is the last song i think there's a lot of male cars they're heavy as anything well

00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.240
I think that's what struck me the most.

00:50:11.560 --> 00:50:13.640
I was thinking more Sub Rosa,

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.820
and while they don't not remind me of Sub Rosa,

00:50:17.020 --> 00:50:19.480
they're very aggressive at times,

00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:24.340
which I love. I was not expecting that. And now the vocals are slightly different,

00:50:24.540 --> 00:50:27.920
too. Now they're a little more angelic than they were before,

00:50:29.150 --> 00:50:30.620
since she's doing all the vocals now.

00:50:31.170 --> 00:50:33.220
But no, I do agree with you, Marcus.

00:50:34.020 --> 00:50:36.540
It's this or Bridging Realms for me,

00:50:36.820 --> 00:50:39.340
which is their second album, which is the one that really broke them.

00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:43.980
But you can't go wrong with anything if you like this kind of music.

00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:50.920
I mean, all their albums are great. Matt, you literally can start at the beginning because there's only six and work your way through and just see how they progress.

00:50:51.340 --> 00:50:54.920
That's what I tend to do is go all the way back and kind of work my way forward.

00:50:55.100 --> 00:50:55.180
Yeah.

00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:55.940
Well,

00:50:56.120 --> 00:51:06.740
like Matt said, this is easily my favorite Dreadnought album. I think it's a massive leap forward in the band's progressive metal sound.

00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.320
Just the riffs are incendiary.

00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.000
on this. The really good rhythms,

00:51:11.220 --> 00:51:11.980
the vocals,

00:51:12.220 --> 00:51:26.200
I don't know. There's something about it that just feels more immediate and captivating. And there's these beautiful melodies that are doused in this hyperlight because it has this spacey feel to it that we haven't had before.

00:51:27.160 --> 00:51:36.060
And the way the band has just phase shifted the previous kind of like folky elements into this like galactic atmosphere,

00:51:37.020 --> 00:51:39.360
it's stunning. And I think it's also the perfect

00:51:52.600 --> 00:52:09.360
and they could have easily had long songs but put in this

00:52:09.380 --> 00:52:39.340
more spacey effect and they didn't do that they decided they're going to tighten up and give you something that sounds uh more modern yeah i mean they only have one song over nine minutes which before previous albums i mean to be like you know here's one 12 10 13 another one 17 12 10 11 you know i mean yeah i mean and i think one of the defining characteristics of 2026 for me unfortunately is hearing a number of bands i've loved

00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:44.040
suddenly alter their sound in ways that I just don't like very much,

00:52:44.220 --> 00:52:45.880
like Wayfarer, Worm,

00:52:46.140 --> 00:52:47.780
or Stormkeep.

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.220
The list goes on.

00:52:49.460 --> 00:52:57.620
So it's really refreshing to me to hear a band like Dreadnought make such a big shift for the better.

00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.120
Of course, that's my opinion,

00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.100
but I feel they're a much better band on this record.

00:53:02.640 --> 00:53:05.920
And I thought the previous records were fine,

00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.040
but Wards of Spirit,

00:53:08.560 --> 00:53:09.340
or Wards of Spirit,

00:53:09.380 --> 00:53:10.260
of spirit,

00:53:10.560 --> 00:53:11.080
wards of light.

00:53:12.200 --> 00:53:18.420
It's like a space laser bolt of energy that gets blasted into their sound. They sound reinvigorated.

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:25.320
And to me, this record is probably going to be a lister. And I've never considered this band for my top 25.

00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:29.400
I bought this on vinyl because I just kept spinning it over and over.

00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:30.600
And we got the promo.

00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:34.280
And I was spinning that a ton before the album even dropped.

00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.200
And I did not expect that.

00:53:36.380 --> 00:53:37.920
So that's a really good surprise.

00:53:38.080 --> 00:53:40.640
I felt like they already were transitioning

00:53:41.450 --> 00:53:42.900
and they still sound like Dreadnought

00:53:42.900 --> 00:53:43.640
from the early albums

00:53:43.930 --> 00:53:44.260
I mean,

00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.440
their sound hasn't completely changed

00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:48.240
it's just they've

00:53:49.520 --> 00:53:51.940
they've veered into another lane a little bit here

00:53:52.150 --> 00:53:52.720
in my opinion

00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.880
but this started on the Endless

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:55.880
I thought their last album

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.400
they were already making that transition

00:53:57.430 --> 00:53:58.500
the songs were getting shorter

00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:01.080
and they were focusing a certain way

00:54:01.340 --> 00:54:04.440
which I prefer the style of the last two albums

00:54:04.620 --> 00:54:05.080
how they're going

00:54:06.020 --> 00:54:06.860
and I love everything

00:54:06.980 --> 00:54:08.060
I've got all their stuff

00:54:08.060 --> 00:54:08.300
It's just,

00:54:08.600 --> 00:54:11.780
I'm looking forward. Well, they're now,

00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:13.400
are they,

00:54:13.620 --> 00:54:16.180
they're still a four? Are they a five piece now? I can't remember.

00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:17.720
Or they went down to four.

00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:18.380
They,

00:54:18.540 --> 00:54:21.200
they've changed the dynamic because of one person leaving.

00:54:21.980 --> 00:54:25.800
It's kind of re-stacked the deck for them a little bit,

00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:26.640
which is interesting.

00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:27.880
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:34.460
And just the last thing I'll say before we move on to the next one is that I love the cover art. It's by Christian Ward, who is a comic book artist.

00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:37.820
So I thought that was cool because I don't think he's ever done,

00:54:38.080 --> 00:54:40.240
Maybe he's done another cover-up, definitely not metal.

00:54:40.520 --> 00:54:41.920
And you've got to open it up. That was fun for me.

00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.240
Yeah, yeah. I got it on vinyl,

00:54:44.600 --> 00:54:45.660
so it's pretty great.

00:54:46.140 --> 00:54:52.220
Yeah, I've been slowing down on my vinyl because of space, and I'm just not paying $40 for a single LP.

00:54:52.660 --> 00:54:53.220
It's tough,

00:54:53.380 --> 00:54:53.480
yeah.

00:54:53.700 --> 00:54:54.780
You can blow chunks,

00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:56.200
but I'll show these guys.

00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:57.780
You can sort of see.

00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.580
It extends over much further on the,

00:55:01.040 --> 00:55:03.320
what's it called, the insert.

00:55:03.700 --> 00:55:06.180
You can see it. It's really cool, but if you're into that,

00:55:06.340 --> 00:55:06.460
see?

00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:07.240
See?

00:55:08.080 --> 00:55:12.980
I'm showing them, but if you get a chance in the real world out there, not the podcast world of audio,

00:55:13.180 --> 00:55:14.440
check it out. It's very cool.

00:55:16.200 --> 00:55:16.600
Sweet.

00:55:18.020 --> 00:55:18.680
Listen to it,

00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:19.420
George, damn it.

00:55:20.300 --> 00:55:24.420
I'll get to it. I haven't had much chance to listen to anything much lately,

00:55:24.700 --> 00:55:29.340
though I did have a few items for the next section.

00:55:29.660 --> 00:55:34.460
But before we get there, we still have to do Mastodon and their ninth album,

00:55:35.220 --> 00:55:36.280
Mero Deep.

00:55:37.080 --> 00:55:44.360
Matt is contractually obligated to mention... Everything about Mastodon?

00:55:44.620 --> 00:55:46.040
I was going to say Leviathan.

00:55:46.820 --> 00:55:47.300
Leviathan?

00:55:48.100 --> 00:55:51.060
But we're still going to talk about this one instead.

00:55:51.620 --> 00:55:52.100
Yeah.

00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.500
Unless you'd feel the need to make a comparison of some kind.

00:55:58.040 --> 00:55:58.680
So yeah.

00:55:58.940 --> 00:55:59.460
I don't know.

00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:03.900
So this is the first album since Tragedy Struck.

00:56:07.080 --> 00:56:09.240
I was kind of shocked by it.

00:56:10.620 --> 00:56:14.200
I was on vacation. A lot of people were. I was at the beach.

00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:18.720
And I happened to have my heavies with me.

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.640
And I was like, hey,

00:56:21.720 --> 00:56:22.280
this is out today.

00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:23.240
Let's give this a listen.

00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:26.120
Just for a little bit before I move on to something else.

00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:28.400
Just to give it a little shits and giggles.

00:56:29.660 --> 00:56:31.380
Next thing I know, I'm starting it over again.

00:56:32.540 --> 00:56:34.780
I was like, hey, this is kind of good.

00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:36.960
Me likey.

00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:44.920
I mean, it inspired me when I first heard it to send a message to everybody on cast.

00:56:46.340 --> 00:56:48.120
Which was like the same day.

00:56:48.600 --> 00:56:52.660
It was, yeah. I think I was like literally listening to it when you sent that.

00:56:53.780 --> 00:56:54.740
You know, it's interesting.

00:56:55.140 --> 00:57:01.400
I feel like we talked about the first single that dropped out. We were all like, wow, this is definitely heavier than I expected.

00:57:01.660 --> 00:57:03.620
But that was just the one song.

00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:05.640
And that was ages before this dropped.

00:57:05.860 --> 00:57:06.100
Right.

00:57:06.200 --> 00:57:10.600
And then literally it hadn't even been out for 23 minutes.

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.920
And Marcus Sun's like, this album's kind of kicking ass,

00:57:14.260 --> 00:57:14.420
man.

00:57:15.120 --> 00:57:15.600
Yeah.

00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:23.200
Well, the thing is, we've talked about this band a lot on cast. And we've discussed how we feel about the music post Crack the Sky,

00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:23.700
right?

00:57:24.140 --> 00:57:29.500
And what they've been doing, it hasn't connected with us. And then Brent Hines,

00:57:29.720 --> 00:57:32.280
he was fired and then soon after tragically died.

00:57:36.200 --> 00:57:37.020
us again,

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.900
because we wondered how would that loss affect the music going forward?

00:57:43.180 --> 00:57:44.520
And I think we have our answer now.

00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:46.100
It's a lot fucking heavier.

00:57:47.160 --> 00:57:55.780
And it feels like there's a renewed passion for what they're playing on this record. And the songs are just so well crafted and interesting.

00:57:56.180 --> 00:57:58.940
And I think it just rips all the way through.

00:57:59.380 --> 00:58:00.420
Yep. I agree.

00:58:01.220 --> 00:58:01.380
So,

00:58:01.640 --> 00:58:03.580
and there's more experimentation on it. I mean,

00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.140
they, they add a lot of 70s.

00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:07.380
I wouldn't say a lot.

00:58:07.640 --> 00:58:10.260
It's more like flourishes in songs.

00:58:10.600 --> 00:58:16.360
They're more like a brief prog element, except for the last song, which is kind of off the rails.

00:58:16.550 --> 00:58:23.560
But the prog in it is more focused, and it gives a lot of color to the songs that makes them feel vibrant,

00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:24.740
alive,

00:58:25.080 --> 00:58:25.580
adventurous.

00:58:27.500 --> 00:58:28.140
So yeah,

00:58:28.300 --> 00:58:32.720
I was shocked by how they were able to sustain it, that edge,

00:58:33.210 --> 00:58:33.920
all the way through.

00:58:35.100 --> 00:58:47.340
And it's great to hear this because I think the reason we talk about Masked Down so much is because we've loved those early records and we always wanted to hear something else from them because we knew they had it in them.

00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:48.580
And here it is.

00:58:49.210 --> 00:58:51.600
I think they are the most talked about band in this podcast.

00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:52.680
And they are,

00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:53.300
like,

00:58:54.400 --> 00:59:00.520
to me, they are the whole point we talk about, the Metallica Paradox, which I realize is not a paradox,

00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:05.040
but we're talking about a band that will never make Master of Puppets again.

00:59:05.060 --> 00:59:07.660
because it's just not that period of time for them anymore.

00:59:08.560 --> 00:59:09.300
And that, I think,

00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.180
goes on to describe what Mastodon is.

00:59:12.120 --> 00:59:13.460
I fully agree with this.

00:59:13.740 --> 00:59:18.500
What's interesting, though, is that I felt like Hushed and Grimm was a good effort.

00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:23.040
I felt like it was a little bit more of a return to form for them.

00:59:23.270 --> 00:59:33.620
I just feel like because it was two albums that it got a little bit diluted because I think some of the good stuff got watered down by it. But I fully agree.

00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.020
Listening to those

00:59:35.840 --> 01:00:05.020
I think there might have been a second preview track right before the album came out and I just remember thinking like oh and and the reality is I will be the first to admit contractually my infinite album of the episode picked from the crypt forever in time is Leviathan it's not Leviathan I don't think we're going to get another Leviathan and I think that's the first step saying it realizing it the Leviathan support group yeah exactly which I have one there's one locally to me message me if you want to be a part of it we do

01:00:05.700 --> 01:00:23.620
But I mean, I was fortunate enough to watch the prior current Mastodon while Brett was still alive play Leviathan in its entirety live.

01:00:23.830 --> 01:00:25.680
And it was mind-blowing. Like, it's still there.

01:00:26.090 --> 01:00:29.120
But that's where you get it. It's not going to come out in the other stuff.

01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:31.280
And I realized in some of their, you know,

01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.140
some of their material post-practice guy,

01:00:34.620 --> 01:00:39.380
There are things in there that have gotten in my mind and have stuck with me and are enjoyable.

01:00:39.600 --> 01:00:41.380
But this was one that is just definitely,

01:00:41.680 --> 01:00:46.920
you know, when you start to hear a little bit of 70s Prague, for me, I'm like, hey,

01:00:47.080 --> 01:00:48.220
I like this.

01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:49.140
You know, I'm listening.

01:00:49.580 --> 01:00:58.420
And yeah, I think it's a good, it's a good, I don't want to say a return to form, but it's just a good next step in the evolution.

01:00:59.180 --> 01:00:59.540
Yeah.

01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:01.140
Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it.

01:01:02.680 --> 01:01:04.400
Yeah, I mean, I think I just missed the heaviness.

01:01:04.620 --> 01:01:05.220
Yes, to be honest,

01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:14.620
I think that they're really good musicians and they always try to do something unique and compelling,

01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.360
but I miss that heaviness.

01:01:16.550 --> 01:01:27.020
And it's not to say that some songs didn't have it, but I've seen a few interviews and at least one of them, the band mentioned that Brent just wasn't interested in playing heavy music anymore.

01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:28.060
Said it himself.

01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:29.200
Yeah.

01:01:29.670 --> 01:01:34.140
So I think that was the push. I think you kind of hear that in Hush and Grim,

01:01:34.300 --> 01:01:34.400
right?

01:01:34.460 --> 01:01:43.860
because there's some really good songs in there. I think if they would have pared it down to one vinyl instead of two, it would have been a lot better.

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.520
But I think they probably had everybody just wanted to do something different.

01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:55.400
And it just feels like they're kind of firing on all cylinders together with this one more. And it's a long record,

01:01:56.100 --> 01:01:58.820
but it goes by. It goes by pretty quick, I think.

01:02:00.240 --> 01:02:00.840
So yeah,

01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:04.100
I mean, I'm excited to see what else they're going to do.

01:02:04.120 --> 01:02:09.780
because there is a renewed life and a renewed interest for me for sure.

01:02:10.060 --> 01:02:10.600
Well,

01:02:11.100 --> 01:02:12.680
I'm going to take it a step further.

01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:17.560
Yeah, heavier. But what I missed, even I missed it on Crack the Sky,

01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.200
is the attitude in their riffing.

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.320
You listen to those first three albums.

01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:27.840
I'm not even talking about the EPs yet,

01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.180
but the first three full lengths.

01:02:30.980 --> 01:02:33.620
There's piss and vinegar in those songs.

01:02:33.700 --> 01:02:34.080
I mean,

01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:35.980
there's a little bit of that hardcore,

01:02:37.240 --> 01:02:43.380
without it being hardcore, but all those early bands, like early Neurosis was really influential on them. And you could hear that in some of their stuff.

01:02:44.140 --> 01:02:46.320
And yet they still were doing their own thing.

01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:47.160
They still,

01:02:47.560 --> 01:02:52.620
that was a different type of prod that they were playing back then with the post-metal or the sludge metal,

01:02:52.780 --> 01:02:53.500
whatever you want to call it.

01:02:54.160 --> 01:02:56.000
You hear a little bit of that here and now.

01:02:56.200 --> 01:02:57.160
It's just, they're in a different,

01:02:57.340 --> 01:03:01.800
this almost feels like it would be a follow-up,

01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:03.220
maybe only,

01:03:03.340 --> 01:03:06.740
with an album in between from Crack the Sky.

01:03:07.140 --> 01:03:08.460
I almost feel like that.

01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:11.840
Because I feel it just,

01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:15.920
they kind of got routine for me on those albums.

01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:19.200
Those three albums after Crack the Sky.

01:03:19.580 --> 01:03:22.760
The one before this I thought was pretty good. I have to go back and revisit it.

01:03:23.740 --> 01:03:33.120
I think they got routine and they kind of had an identity crisis it felt like. It didn't feel like it was all coming together on the albums after that. I just feel like,

01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:34.900
Some of the guys wanted to play one thing,

01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:36.000
which was three guys.

01:03:36.700 --> 01:03:41.780
And one guy didn't want to do that. And I'm not railing on Brett Hines. He just,

01:03:41.980 --> 01:03:43.460
it wasn't where he wanted to be.

01:03:43.660 --> 01:03:47.180
He was, I mean, and he was an incredible guitar player,

01:03:47.860 --> 01:03:53.380
especially chicken picking and all that stuff he loved to do. And I was almost like, maybe you should just do that.

01:03:53.540 --> 01:03:54.920
If you're happier doing that,

01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:56.140
you know?

01:03:56.340 --> 01:03:56.520
So,

01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.160
I mean,

01:03:57.520 --> 01:04:01.720
I mean, Masson wouldn't be Masson without him playing.

01:04:01.900 --> 01:04:01.980
No,

01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:03.280
but he's not here.

01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:07.560
now, and so now you're getting a chance to hear what these other guys want to do.

01:04:09.060 --> 01:04:09.660
I don't know.

01:04:10.940 --> 01:04:13.280
I don't want another Leviathan, by the way.

01:04:14.100 --> 01:04:14.960
We have one.

01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.540
I just want them to keep expanding on that sound.

01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:24.360
So it's kind of nice to hear that there's... First of all, I'll tell you what's nice.

01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:25.740
They opened up with a drum solo.

01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:28.740
He's got a little drum bit at the beginning.

01:04:29.700 --> 01:04:30.820
Almost like, hey,

01:04:31.780 --> 01:04:33.320
we're...

01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:34.680
We're a little pissy again.

01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:37.980
A little vitriol.

01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:39.060
Yeah, I like that too.

01:04:39.240 --> 01:04:40.360
They had that on stage.

01:04:40.370 --> 01:04:40.480
Attitude,

01:04:40.680 --> 01:04:41.200
you're right, John.

01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:42.280
I think that's true.

01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:44.520
They got a little chip coming out.

01:04:45.030 --> 01:04:46.480
And I'm not dissing on Brent.

01:04:46.540 --> 01:04:50.120
Maybe it's just the whole band was not functioning as well together.

01:04:50.290 --> 01:04:50.500
Who knows?

01:04:50.890 --> 01:04:51.380
We'll never know.

01:04:51.460 --> 01:04:52.800
I think it's overanalyzed.

01:04:52.950 --> 01:04:55.020
Even I do too much myself.

01:04:55.240 --> 01:05:00.760
I'm almost like, well, do I need to go back and listen to those albums just to really make sure I feel that way?

01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.380
Or is I just not into that?

01:05:02.540 --> 01:05:03.080
You know, I don't know.

01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:08.000
Now, I'm glad everyone liked it. I mean, literally everyone on the podcast liked it.

01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:08.640
However,

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:20.100
they did such a good job of accidentally mirroring a saxophone that Will was concerned.

01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:23.860
That's right. I had to point that out to him. I mean,

01:05:24.180 --> 01:05:24.780
in his defense,

01:05:25.210 --> 01:05:27.560
it does kind of sound like a different instrument.

01:05:27.730 --> 01:05:31.940
It does kind of sound like a saxophone, but it wasn't. It was not a saxophone.

01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:32.640
No.

01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:39.220
He would be shocked how many albums he likes where there's saxophone on it. He doesn't even realize it.

01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:49.480
I sent the group an image I saw on Facebook recently is for a music plugin for a children's choir.

01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:54.160
Because I thought that Will would absolutely love that.

01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:55.800
And by love that, I mean hate that.

01:05:56.780 --> 01:06:00.480
And while I did not pick that one up, I did pick one up.

01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:07.100
All right.

01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:08.000
Cool.

01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:09.060
Well, those are, I mean,

01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:15.840
I didn't listen to Anthrax, but those are three albums I think that were good to choose because they're all completely different from each other. And that was my thinking.

01:06:16.820 --> 01:06:18.800
Yeah. And we had a good discussion about them too.

01:06:19.040 --> 01:06:19.220
So,

01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:23.800
I mean, that's what matters. I think when we pick these new releases that we can talk about them.

01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:32.540
Yeah. And guess what? We're going to talk about all those other albums that weren't on the new releases because things have heated up big time.

01:06:32.700 --> 01:06:33.140
this year.

01:06:33.780 --> 01:06:34.300
In my opinion,

01:06:34.520 --> 01:06:35.180
I think it has.

01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:36.280
Yeah.

01:06:36.520 --> 01:06:39.020
And there's still a couple things coming,

01:06:39.300 --> 01:06:39.560
you know.

01:06:40.140 --> 01:06:40.540
October,

01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:41.920
it's Listember,

01:06:42.180 --> 01:06:43.560
it's Listtober,

01:06:44.080 --> 01:06:44.640
and Listvember.

01:06:45.980 --> 01:06:48.460
There's a lot of albums these three months.

01:06:48.700 --> 01:06:52.700
Yeah, man, I can't believe we're getting close to the end of the year already. It's nuts.

01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:56.560
I'm screwed because there's so many albums I really want to get,

01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.660
you know, before the year end. And I'm like, I'm going to be squeezing in a ton of new stuff into my list, I'm sure.

01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:04.840
Yeah,

01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:05.780
literally.

01:07:07.220 --> 01:07:09.940
Yeah, because we didn't do a mid-year,

01:07:10.100 --> 01:07:12.060
I had no list started yet.

01:07:12.540 --> 01:07:19.520
And a couple weeks ago, I was like, you know, I probably ought to start looking into that before next thing you know, it's December and I got nothing.

01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:22.680
I was like, man, am I even going to pull 25?

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:27.100
And I'm like, I didn't even have to stop and look around. And I got 20,

01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:27.980
like 30.

01:07:28.300 --> 01:07:29.780
So I was like,

01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:30.160
okay,

01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:31.320
I'm going to be okay.

01:07:31.420 --> 01:07:32.160
30 at midyear.

01:07:32.900 --> 01:07:35.180
But now it's crazy.

01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:42.980
But that's why I advocate keeping the list throughout the year and just putting stuff on there and shuffling around because it's really hard,

01:07:43.460 --> 01:07:47.020
especially a year like this where it's going to be there's a lot on the back end.

01:07:48.700 --> 01:07:50.720
If I did that last minute,

01:07:50.900 --> 01:07:52.960
I think that I might die.

01:07:53.260 --> 01:07:59.700
I advocate for procrastination because nothing builds a list like just panic.

01:08:03.200 --> 01:08:04.860
Everybody's got to have their own method,

01:08:05.120 --> 01:08:05.780
George, I guess.

01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:07.880
I've got a list. They're not in order,

01:08:08.100 --> 01:08:10.200
but I have albums set aside. Let me see what I got.

01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:13.240
Talk amongst yourselves while I look real quick.

01:08:13.420 --> 01:08:16.160
I mean, I put them in order, but it's a loose order. You know what I mean?

01:08:18.299 --> 01:08:19.839
It's not going to be the final order,

01:08:20.180 --> 01:08:21.240
but when I hear something,

01:08:21.430 --> 01:08:24.120
I think it's probably going to go around this area.

01:08:24.500 --> 01:08:25.040
And then later,

01:08:25.390 --> 01:08:26.740
I sit down and really listen to them.

01:08:27.650 --> 01:08:28.759
When we get, I guess,

01:08:28.940 --> 01:08:30.540
probably early December is when I really,

01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.720
start re-listening to everything and deciding where it's going to go.

01:08:35.150 --> 01:08:35.940
Yeah, I even...

01:08:36.890 --> 01:08:37.359
Go ahead, George.

01:08:37.839 --> 01:08:42.400
You know, in a rare moment of being responsible about this,

01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:53.620
I did take everything that was on this list and create a playlist so that I can now put this on shuffle and just listen to stuff and maybe that will help inform the order.

01:08:55.020 --> 01:09:25.000
I've got 20 already set aside and there's still about 15 albums I'm interested in that are still coming out or that we have that we're not really saying much about just yet you know so and not everything's even announced yet because we're still in that period you know it's like a mid-October like something else could still be announced yeah but anything that comes out in December is either bad or they just you just yeah not going to

01:09:25.040 --> 01:09:55.000
to you because what the hell are you thinking releasing something in december oh no there is something coming out uh on late this year that i'm like man we got to get the promo for this yeah i think i saw that i don't remember what it was it's um hold on i'm getting i'll tell you right now uh it's the new void sector zero that wasn't it oh i think i have the promo for that is it because i didn't see it in the box um well i haven't put

01:09:55.020 --> 01:09:58.920
every promo in there yet but i think i got that you have that put that up because

01:09:59.240 --> 01:10:06.680
that that's alex weber from exist it's um yes christian munzner from a bazillion bands

01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:12.060
including alkaloid and yeah we interviewed but we interviewed we were like man well we've kept you up

01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:18.120
long enough he goes no i'm in mexico city right now we're like what yeah he was great he was awesome

01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.680
i'm pretty sure i i the the promos have been coming fast and furious so i hadn't had a chance to

01:10:24.740 --> 01:10:28.620
go through all of them again but I'm pretty sure I have that one when you get a chance just

01:10:29.510 --> 01:10:35.100
write yourself a note because uh it that like George said that is late you know that's the kind of album like

01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:49.980
you're literally like oh we're doing this tomorrow this just dropped this Friday yeah it's December 11th that one comes out okay yeah I've been checked I don't get as many promos as you guys I get them but I didn't see it so

01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:53.420
But I generally agree with you,

01:10:53.580 --> 01:10:53.660
George.

01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:54.580
It's like, ugh,

01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:56.620
why December and January?

01:10:58.040 --> 01:10:58.520
Yeah.

01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.040
December's too late in January,

01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:00.920
I forget about.

01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:01.700
Yeah.

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.280
Although, because December's usually so lame,

01:11:05.500 --> 01:11:07.640
it's nice if something good comes out in January,

01:11:07.900 --> 01:11:08.580
because by January,

01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:12.020
you're starting to look like Dave Chappelle, you know, scratching yourself,

01:11:12.340 --> 01:11:12.500
going,

01:11:12.660 --> 01:11:13.860
I need some music.

01:11:14.440 --> 01:11:14.820
Yeah,

01:11:14.980 --> 01:11:15.680
what's going on,

01:11:15.900 --> 01:11:16.100
man?

01:11:16.320 --> 01:11:19.020
Although the last couple of Januaries have been pretty good.

01:11:19.300 --> 01:11:19.540
Yeah.

01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:21.620
There's been some stuff,

01:11:21.900 --> 01:11:22.060
so.

01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:25.800
But yeah, there's a lot coming out.

01:11:26.380 --> 01:11:27.780
And just this month alone,

01:11:28.180 --> 01:11:28.940
September was awesome.

01:11:30.380 --> 01:11:30.860
Well,

01:11:31.820 --> 01:11:33.440
why don't we get into what we're listening to?

01:11:34.420 --> 01:11:35.480
It's a good idea.

01:11:37.480 --> 01:11:38.160
Hold on,

01:11:38.320 --> 01:11:38.840
now I gotta know.

01:11:39.400 --> 01:11:40.620
Oh yeah, I do have it.

01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:44.940
I have it, so I will open it in the box later.

01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:45.940
When you get a minute.

01:11:46.120 --> 01:11:47.340
Thank you very much for that.

01:11:49.580 --> 01:11:52.060
a folder where it's like these have to go in the box,

01:11:52.420 --> 01:11:53.940
but I just haven't downloaded them yet. So,

01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:55.900
okay. So I'll get you.

01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:57.080
It's a lot of work,

01:11:57.240 --> 01:11:57.360
man.

01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:03.140
We're beyond grateful for all this stuff, but man, it's a lot of work.

01:12:03.570 --> 01:12:05.160
And I don't get anything like you guys.

01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:06.360
Yeah.

01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:07.400
Cause there's a lot of crap.

01:12:07.580 --> 01:12:09.680
And so I don't put that in the box.

01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:12.200
Or as we also like to say,

01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:13.660
not my bag, baby.

01:12:14.200 --> 01:12:15.360
Not my bag. Exactly.

01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:17.160
All right.

01:12:17.320 --> 01:12:18.780
So what we're listening to, I'm first.

01:12:19.140 --> 01:12:19.360
So,

01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.460
I added a couple extra ones. We don't have everybody here.

01:12:24.870 --> 01:12:29.120
But the first one I have is Lammoth Onward on Fiat Productions.

01:12:29.390 --> 01:12:30.740
And I'm really loving this record.

01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:40.960
It's a fantastically strange mix of atmospheric black metal and video game inspired blip sound effects and synth.

01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:42.700
Chip metal?

01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:43.600
Huh.

01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:44.040
Yeah,

01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:46.280
that's exactly right.

01:12:46.480 --> 01:12:49.540
And it's got this kind of epic sweeping and emotional

01:12:49.620 --> 01:12:54.820
feel to it that reminds me of playing old school rpgs or adventure games like final

01:12:55.040 --> 01:13:00.860
fantasy or legend of zelda but what makes this album even cooler is that it's all about the

01:13:01.140 --> 01:13:09.220
journey of bill the pony from lord of the rings the horse so uh and that's cool and if you've ever

01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:15.180
read lord of the rings he has a full arc in the book so uh the other thing i just want to mention

01:13:15.200 --> 01:13:21.540
about Fiat Productions is I love them. I have a subscription to them on Bandcamp, and I got this record on cassette.

01:13:21.900 --> 01:13:23.060
It's like part of the subscription.

01:13:23.860 --> 01:13:26.060
And when they send you physical editions,

01:13:26.260 --> 01:13:28.580
they always include stickers,

01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:30.900
and they include recipes,

01:13:31.260 --> 01:13:34.660
and they have these funny little squish creatures like this.

01:13:35.820 --> 01:13:37.060
And for this one,

01:13:37.240 --> 01:13:37.420
though,

01:13:37.580 --> 01:13:43.000
they gave me this adorable little horse terrarium,

01:13:43.160 --> 01:13:44.120
and it looks like this.

01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:47.080
It's hard to see,

01:13:47.260 --> 01:13:47.380
probably,

01:13:47.570 --> 01:13:49.260
but there's a little horse in there. It's so teeny.

01:13:49.820 --> 01:13:52.120
And it's just like these little squishy guys.

01:13:52.400 --> 01:13:53.520
Like, what is this thing?

01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.920
And that first one I got, I was like, what the fuck? That looks like a nerd.

01:13:57.660 --> 01:13:59.000
It's a nerd candy, you know?

01:13:59.520 --> 01:13:59.880
Yeah.

01:14:00.250 --> 01:14:02.400
It does, yeah. They're all like squishy gummy things.

01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:10.020
So, I don't know. I really like the attention that that record label pays to patrons.

01:14:10.310 --> 01:14:12.920
And they have a lot of excellent black metal,

01:14:13.080 --> 01:14:13.460
ambient,

01:14:13.660 --> 01:14:14.840
and dungeon synth music.

01:14:15.180 --> 01:14:16.780
is what they specialize in.

01:14:17.630 --> 01:14:20.680
But a lot of big smiles whenever I get that package.

01:14:21.380 --> 01:14:28.960
The next record on my list is Iunt Castle Burner on Breathsun Boneblood Records.

01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:35.500
And this is a shadowy collision of dark ambient dungeon synth and black metal.

01:14:35.990 --> 01:14:44.580
And it has this kind of a hazy lull of dissent and torment to it that's interspersed with ghostly melancholy.

01:14:45.200 --> 01:14:47.720
It's my current go-to late-night spin.

01:14:47.940 --> 01:14:52.600
So I ordered the cassette and that's my preferred format for black metal and ambient stuff.

01:14:52.780 --> 01:14:55.860
I almost always play that at night when I'm reading.

01:14:56.410 --> 01:14:57.820
So I'm looking forward to getting that cassette.

01:14:58.740 --> 01:15:01.780
Next one is "Toombs Karst"

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:03.540
on Road to Masochist Records.

01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.660
This is spelled T-O-O-M-S.

01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:14.080
And it's a progressive sludge metal album from Ireland. It has really thick pummeling riffs.

01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:16.080
There's a doomy,

01:15:16.240 --> 01:15:22.500
filth-cloud atmosphere that occasionally gets pierced by the melody,

01:15:22.740 --> 01:15:29.740
melodic light, and I would say experimental constructs. There's a little bit of progressiveness to it,

01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.280
and I was a little bit surprised by this record because I never heard of this band.

01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:36.800
Next one is Maria,

01:15:37.060 --> 01:15:41.060
A Caress of Autumn for All the Lost on Hypnotic Dirge Records.

01:15:41.580 --> 01:15:43.440
This one just came out today,

01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:45.160
but we've had the

01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:46.120
for a couple weeks.

01:15:47.400 --> 01:15:47.780
In general,

01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:49.920
I'd say that Mario plays moody,

01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:51.240
atmospheric,

01:15:51.620 --> 01:15:52.940
blackened post-metal.

01:15:53.220 --> 01:16:02.200
But this record is a little bit hard to boil down because it also incorporates death metal guitars and vocals in places.

01:16:02.940 --> 01:16:07.100
There's a strong doom aura in a lot of the riffs and the melodies.

01:16:07.900 --> 01:16:09.560
And then it has these kind of sunny,

01:16:09.860 --> 01:16:11.120
melancholic passages.

01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:14.820
It really sounds like this autumn breeze,

01:16:15.200 --> 01:16:17.240
blowing over your face after leaving a funeral.

01:16:18.460 --> 01:16:19.980
There's acoustic guitar parts.

01:16:20.220 --> 01:16:21.860
There's hard black metal sections.

01:16:22.180 --> 01:16:23.360
There's vocal harmonies.

01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.980
George, it actually kind of reminds me of Woods of Epre.

01:16:28.460 --> 01:16:29.020
Sometimes.

01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:31.160
Sometimes.

01:16:31.480 --> 01:16:33.640
I'm not saying exactly like that,

01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:38.340
but maybe it's something you want to give a spin because I did remind me of it. I might.

01:16:38.700 --> 01:16:41.240
Yeah, Marius is M-A-R-E-A.

01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:45.160
Next one on my list was

01:16:45.180 --> 01:16:52.740
also released today so i only got two spins in but my first impression is that it's an excellent

01:16:53.040 --> 01:16:59.140
progression from their first record which was called exalt and despair and the band is selena plexia

01:17:00.020 --> 01:17:06.980
they're a chicago band that's only been around for about five years but their first full length made my top 25

01:17:07.340 --> 01:17:14.100
in 2023 i think it was like 13 or 14 was like right in the middle so i've really been looking forward

01:17:14.100 --> 01:17:15.760
to this follow-up.

01:17:16.330 --> 01:17:25.360
And they play a blackened death metal with brawny rolling riffs and shovels of sludge poured into the cracks.

01:17:26.480 --> 01:17:31.620
And I just really love the way they accent some of the songs with these tranquil,

01:17:32.100 --> 01:17:34.260
strummed guitar passages.

01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:38.020
They also deploy these really big, emotive,

01:17:38.620 --> 01:17:40.800
skyrocket solos on a few songs.

01:17:41.160 --> 01:17:44.080
And this time around, they also added some

01:17:44.120 --> 01:17:48.040
Female Cleans on one of the tracks, and that works really well.

01:17:48.420 --> 01:17:51.740
Not unlike what Ancient Death did on their album,

01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:52.940
I think it was last year.

01:17:53.850 --> 01:17:55.800
So, Selenoplexia, to me,

01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:57.160
is a really exciting,

01:17:57.460 --> 01:17:59.120
incendiary young band.

01:17:59.480 --> 01:18:01.340
I need to see them live,

01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:04.380
because I hear they bring it on stage,

01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:08.220
but every time they've played here, I have something else scheduled.

01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:14.080
So, I'm hoping that they either play at the end of the year or sometime next year, because I'd like to see them live.

01:18:14.100 --> 01:18:17.760
to catch them, especially being in my hometown,

01:18:18.500 --> 01:18:20.120
part of my hometown.

01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.300
Another surprise drop?

01:18:25.180 --> 01:18:31.980
Well, another record that came out today that was a surprise drop is Deaf Heaven at Work in the Fields of the Bomb EP.

01:18:33.660 --> 01:18:43.280
I think they've been selling this on vinyl at their recent shows, but it just officially dropped for streaming or download today.

01:18:44.100 --> 01:18:49.780
Their last album Lonely People With Power was very high on my list. I thought that was phenomenal.

01:18:50.180 --> 01:18:53.380
And this three track follow-up, it's just kind of okay.

01:18:53.660 --> 01:18:55.780
The first track is really good. It's called Hunter.

01:18:57.080 --> 01:19:05.280
Heavy, vicious burst of black metal. But then there's like a three minute ambient segue track. And then there's a 13 minute song.

01:19:06.160 --> 01:19:13.500
Half of it kind of brutalizes you with black metal. And the rest of it's just kind of this like do me chug of atmospheric darkness.

01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:24.720
and it's just really long and drawn out. So I'm not really sure why they put this out. I think they should just put out the one single and that's it. But next,

01:19:24.980 --> 01:19:25.880
Bronze Hall,

01:19:26.080 --> 01:19:29.060
Embers of the Dawn on Signal Rex Records.

01:19:29.310 --> 01:19:33.740
This is Bathory-inspired ancient black metal hymns of battle and glory.

01:19:34.480 --> 01:19:37.740
So I'd even call this black and traditional heavy metal.

01:19:38.020 --> 01:19:39.160
Really energetic,

01:19:40.100 --> 01:19:43.540
epic songs that make you want to hoist your bloody swords to the

01:19:44.639 --> 01:19:49.380
And then the last one on my list is Offernet, The Ecstasy of Death.

01:19:49.740 --> 01:19:52.560
This was my album of the month for September,

01:19:52.900 --> 01:19:59.000
and I declared it very early on September 13th, just two days after it was released,

01:19:59.200 --> 01:20:02.220
because it blew me the fuck away.

01:20:03.040 --> 01:20:07.560
It's an epic conjunction of progressive black metal,

01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:08.040
death,

01:20:08.730 --> 01:20:09.320
and doom.

01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:13.420
There's only four songs on it. It's 53 minutes long.

01:20:15.160 --> 01:20:21.340
I think Offernet really weaves all the elements together so well. And the tracks,

01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:24.920
they move and they breathe seamlessly to me.

01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:29.120
I listened to this album a ton during my vacation in Switzerland.

01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:35.620
And I had this massive canvas of unreal mountains all around me.

01:20:36.130 --> 01:20:41.060
And I got completely absorbed in Offernet's record here, just winding,

01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:42.640
transportive,

01:20:44.300 --> 01:20:44.880
all the way through.

01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:46.120
And that guy's mustache.

01:20:48.380 --> 01:20:48.840
Nick Offerman.

01:20:51.200 --> 01:20:52.040
Offerman, you mean?

01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:53.780
I'm making a bad joke.

01:20:53.990 --> 01:20:54.660
I see. I see.

01:20:54.860 --> 01:20:55.660
That's really bad, George.

01:20:55.860 --> 01:20:56.880
How much have you been drinking,

01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:58.060
Georgie?

01:20:58.360 --> 01:20:58.800
Zero.

01:20:59.190 --> 01:21:00.020
I am on water.

01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:01.280
Oh,

01:21:01.480 --> 01:21:01.680
no.

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:04.440
Well,

01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.680
I love the songs are progressive,

01:21:06.860 --> 01:21:10.580
but the emphasis on heavy guitar work with really dark atmospheric accents,

01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.520
really venomous, emotional growl.

01:21:13.580 --> 01:21:14.300
and Bellows.

01:21:14.480 --> 01:21:18.200
It's just one of the best records of the year for me.

01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:22.120
And just the last thing I'll say is that appropriately,

01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:24.680
the final track,

01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:26.160
which is also the title track,

01:21:26.320 --> 01:21:30.180
is now one of my favorite album closers ever.

01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.340
I think this is how you fucking end the record.

01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:39.020
Big words. It gives me a little impression on me every time I listen to it.

01:21:40.200 --> 01:21:40.340
So,

01:21:41.260 --> 01:21:43.540
yeah. And we've done, I think we did like top five

01:21:43.580 --> 01:22:06.680
of closing songs yeah on a podcast this would have made the list if it was out when we did that so that's what i got uh and then pick from the crypt i guess i'm going right into that and my pick for pick from the crypt is cast iron hike watch it burn which was released on victory records that's my nickname 1997.

01:22:08.300 --> 01:22:13.540
what which part cast iron hike or watch it burn watch it burn oh no it's one of many

01:22:13.580 --> 01:22:13.600
Any.

01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:14.940
Wash and burn.

01:22:15.280 --> 01:22:15.980
Watch it burn.

01:22:16.240 --> 01:22:16.360
Yeah.

01:22:16.580 --> 01:22:16.880
Oh,

01:22:17.700 --> 01:22:17.820
really?

01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:18.440
Are you serious,

01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:18.740
George?

01:22:18.900 --> 01:22:19.280
I am.

01:22:19.940 --> 01:22:20.260
Oh,

01:22:20.500 --> 01:22:22.540
wow. Not so much a nickname.

01:22:22.700 --> 01:22:24.080
Yeah, those jerks.

01:22:26.500 --> 01:22:28.460
I kind of like it, though. That's a good one,

01:22:28.620 --> 01:22:28.800
actually.

01:22:29.160 --> 01:22:31.700
Yeah. Well, I had a friend who would just always,

01:22:31.980 --> 01:22:33.140
you know,

01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.600
make some variation on it. So it's not like these were like,

01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:42.140
well, wash and burn stuck for a while because that was in burn unit because when I got burned.

01:22:43.580 --> 01:22:44.820
Yeah, that stuck around for a little while.

01:22:45.020 --> 01:22:49.220
But most of these just, you know, fleeting.

01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:52.120
But you remember them because, you know, they hurt.

01:22:52.580 --> 01:22:53.140
Oh,

01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.920
I mean, we've learned something new here today on the Metalheads podcast.

01:22:58.320 --> 01:22:58.620
Yeah.

01:22:59.780 --> 01:23:01.680
So watch it burn the album,

01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:02.480
not the George.

01:23:02.860 --> 01:23:09.160
Got it. It's the only full length record recorded by this very criminally underrated band.

01:23:09.980 --> 01:23:13.540
They have been typically labeled as

01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:19.320
because they formed from that scene in the Boston area and they played with hardcore bands.

01:23:20.230 --> 01:23:28.660
And I'd say that this record, it delivers a high octane energy that you could associate with hardcore that I think could easily fit if you're playing live shows.

01:23:29.270 --> 01:23:32.000
But all the riffs on this are crushingly metal.

01:23:32.990 --> 01:23:41.160
And the vocal performance by Jacob Brennan, it's just very different than what their contemporaries were putting out at the time.

01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:43.540
He has this really husky

01:23:43.580 --> 01:24:13.540
He's a funky sung vocal style that's it's full of soul and swagger but with a snarl to it he kind of reminds me of John Bush when he was in with anthrax so if you can hear that sound yeah I don't know what this guy's done past this this record but cast iron hike also features Michael Gallagher on guitar and he went on to join Isis in 1999 for their debut album Celestial and he was with the band until they disbanded which I think was like 2010

01:24:13.580 --> 01:24:13.840
10,

01:24:14.300 --> 01:24:14.880
something like that.

01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:19.940
So I think Cast Iron Hike, they kind of got lumped into the hardcore scene.

01:24:20.540 --> 01:24:26.580
And with only one album, there wasn't much reason to spend time properly categorizing them.

01:24:27.060 --> 01:24:28.480
But to me, this is a metal record.

01:24:29.440 --> 01:24:31.360
And maybe you could call it alt metal, I guess.

01:24:31.620 --> 01:24:35.620
But the important thing is that it will make your body meat move.

01:24:36.900 --> 01:24:39.480
And the last thing I'll say. Your body meat move?

01:24:40.380 --> 01:24:41.300
Body meat.

01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:43.540
I don't know where that came from.

01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:45.160
Yes,

01:24:45.380 --> 01:24:45.860
body meat.

01:24:46.100 --> 01:24:46.580
Got it.

01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:48.240
So it moved.

01:24:48.820 --> 01:24:49.960
My meat moves.

01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:51.580
Always on this podcast.

01:24:52.100 --> 01:24:52.800
Well then.

01:24:53.880 --> 01:25:04.420
Next year for this band is the 30th anniversary of Watch It Burn, so I've got my fingers crossed that it gets re-released on vinyl because it was only pressed once, and that was three fucking decades ago.

01:25:05.100 --> 01:25:08.480
And that's just wrong. So I would like to have this on vinyl.

01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:13.220
And of course it goes for astronomical prices online, if you can find it.

01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:16.100
So that's what I got.

01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:18.360
Alrighty,

01:25:18.660 --> 01:25:18.880
Matt.

01:25:19.080 --> 01:25:19.580
Sweet.

01:25:22.540 --> 01:25:23.980
So previously mentioned,

01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:24.860
Mastodome,

01:25:25.020 --> 01:25:25.560
Marrowdeep,

01:25:26.280 --> 01:25:34.560
Dreadnought, Wars of Spirit, Wars of Light. I still have them on there because they have taken up a huge chunk of my listening since we last met.

01:25:35.420 --> 01:25:35.980
Also,

01:25:36.440 --> 01:25:37.020
Godflesh,

01:25:37.420 --> 01:25:37.780
Decay,

01:25:38.700 --> 01:25:40.160
that came out on Relapse Records.

01:25:40.460 --> 01:25:43.520
This is the 11th album from a UK industrial studio.

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:43.860
Sludge Band.

01:25:44.780 --> 01:25:46.620
I've loved Godflesh my whole life.

01:25:47.240 --> 01:25:49.860
I feel like they've gotten a little bit sludgier every album,

01:25:50.120 --> 01:25:55.520
and this is true for this one. I feel like it is their last one. It is their last one.

01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:56.360
Yeah.

01:25:58.390 --> 01:26:01.140
I mean, will there be a tour?

01:26:01.420 --> 01:26:02.720
Would I go? Yes.

01:26:02.900 --> 01:26:03.420
Who knows?

01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:05.800
TBD or TBA.

01:26:07.480 --> 01:26:08.920
Maybe they're playing Prog Power.

01:26:09.320 --> 01:26:10.620
Maybe they're playing with TBA.

01:26:10.940 --> 01:26:11.940
Maybe they are TBA.

01:26:13.400 --> 01:26:14.380
You will see me there.

01:26:15.240 --> 01:26:16.460
In the flesh.

01:26:17.080 --> 01:26:19.060
Especially if there's a Belgian beer bar.

01:26:19.260 --> 01:26:23.600
In the Godflesh, you mean? I feel like Godflesh has played Decibel,

01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:24.160
have they?

01:26:24.420 --> 01:26:25.700
Because I feel like I've seen them.

01:26:27.660 --> 01:26:28.140
Well,

01:26:28.440 --> 01:26:32.620
one of their last albums was definitely well-received by them,

01:26:32.780 --> 01:26:35.760
and I feel like they pushed it a lot, so that would not surprise me.

01:26:36.320 --> 01:26:37.280
I'll have to look at that.

01:26:38.320 --> 01:26:39.180
To the Google!

01:26:40.820 --> 01:26:41.680
Hanging Garden,

01:26:41.900 --> 01:26:43.220
Dream Death via Tree.

01:26:43.380 --> 01:26:44.580
It's a big obscurity.

01:26:45.060 --> 01:26:49.060
Interestingly enough, there is another band named Hanging Garden who had an album out this year,

01:26:49.220 --> 01:26:53.020
which was, excuse me, I can't think of it off the top of my head, but I think it was on my top 25.

01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:59.840
But this one is the second album from the U.S. progressive death metal band. I feel like it is a one-person project,

01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:01.360
if I remember right.

01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:05.360
Next up is a band called Not N-O-T-T.

01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.980
The album is called As All Is Undone.

01:27:08.260 --> 01:27:11.120
It came out on Silent Pendulum Records.

01:27:11.500 --> 01:27:13.360
It is the third album from a

01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:13.980
U.S.

01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:16.920
Deathcore slash sludge group.

01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:18.660
Yes, I used the word deathcore.

01:27:19.540 --> 01:27:22.760
To me, it kind of reminded me of like an Allfather or a Mastiff,

01:27:22.940 --> 01:27:25.360
you know, kind of a sludgy hardcore.

01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:30.480
And I definitely find myself gravitating to that genre or sound.

01:27:31.460 --> 01:27:35.060
Next up is a band called Roracle and their album Mare.

01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.740
I think it's called that M-A-H-R-E. It is their seventh album.

01:27:40.180 --> 01:27:43.360
They're kind of a post-hardcore band with some sludgy

01:27:43.380 --> 01:27:44.540
Influence there from Switzerland.

01:27:46.120 --> 01:27:48.020
Definitely aggressive in that realm,

01:27:48.240 --> 01:27:48.500
if you like.

01:27:49.700 --> 01:27:53.540
And then lastly, I'll mention Krauss and their album Scour Order.

01:27:53.940 --> 01:27:56.880
This to me is more of a traditional Krauss album.

01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:03.820
I would not describe it as some of their more experimental or avant-garde stuff in recent years.

01:28:04.400 --> 01:28:05.200
Still good,

01:28:05.700 --> 01:28:07.600
but yeah, that's it for me.

01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:09.520
Right on.

01:28:09.940 --> 01:28:12.940
So I was both right and wrong about Godflesh.

01:28:13.380 --> 01:28:14.700
They have played Decibel,

01:28:14.940 --> 01:28:17.020
but they played in L.A., so I did not see them.

01:28:17.700 --> 01:28:18.220
Of course.

01:28:18.480 --> 01:28:20.160
But I do feel like I've seen them somewhere.

01:28:20.900 --> 01:28:21.100
Sure.

01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:24.280
Anyway. Matt, do you have a pick from the crib?

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:25.200
Oh,

01:28:25.580 --> 01:28:26.120
shoot. Sorry.

01:28:26.620 --> 01:28:26.780
I mean,

01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:29.240
you still have to say it, don't you? I do.

01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:29.640
I do.

01:28:30.280 --> 01:28:31.300
Can't just think it.

01:28:32.240 --> 01:28:33.780
I finally finished Born Human.

01:28:34.200 --> 01:28:35.580
Nice. Which was a good,

01:28:35.860 --> 01:28:40.460
I don't know if you guys experienced this, but when I read like a metal biography,

01:28:40.780 --> 01:28:43.300
and I should preface that,

01:28:43.380 --> 01:28:44.700
I read at night before I go to bed.

01:28:45.040 --> 01:28:49.020
So I'm laying in the darkness and I don't... Imprisoning me?...doing anything?

01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:49.540
Yes.

01:28:50.500 --> 01:28:52.580
I don't feel like doing anything other than reading,

01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:53.780
but like, oh,

01:28:54.020 --> 01:28:56.180
there's this band and this band and this band and this band.

01:28:56.360 --> 01:28:59.900
And I'm like, shit, I should write this down, which I'm doing. I do that too.

01:29:00.700 --> 01:29:04.980
And I also found myself just really on a kind of like technical death metal,

01:29:05.220 --> 01:29:09.360
progressive death metal kick. And so when you blend these two parts together,

01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.840
it gave me a huge kind of push in that realm. And so,

01:29:13.940 --> 01:29:43.340
I ended up on this it was like a watchtower radio and it it pulled up a band called Devastation which you all probably know of I was not super familiar with them in their album Idolatry and so I don't know it totally pulled me in it totally fit it I mean they were probably a little bit more thrash and it like Idolatry is their third album they broke up in 91 they had a little reunion in 2008 to 2009

01:29:43.500 --> 01:29:49.300
But it was just kind of that thrash sound that I fell in love with as a little kid.

01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:53.900
And it was cool to kind of revisit that genre and definitely find something new.

01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:56.160
Awesome.

01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:57.360
Very cool.

01:29:59.040 --> 01:29:59.560
Gian?

01:30:00.500 --> 01:30:01.220
All right.

01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.120
So as I said earlier,

01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:07.300
September is like list-temper for me.

01:30:07.550 --> 01:30:11.960
So all these albums are all probably albums you'll hear online.

01:30:14.380 --> 01:30:21.640
I added an extra while we were talking. Marcus said since there was four of us, he added a little extra. So I did too, but it'll only take me a second to mention it.

01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:24.300
And I feel like it's something that's worth mentioning.

01:30:24.740 --> 01:30:26.360
We already talked about Dreadnought.

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:28.920
Not going to say any more about that. It's a great album.

01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.700
If you're into those styles that we discussed,

01:30:32.060 --> 01:30:35.240
it was my album of the month. It was Matt's album of the month.

01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.960
That should be enough reason to listen to it.

01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.400
And also add everything that Marcus added with us.

01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:42.880
George hopefully will listen to it.

01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:43.420
to it soon.

01:30:44.510 --> 01:30:45.600
And if you don't, that's okay.

01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:47.700
My next one,

01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:48.700
Epitaph 3.

01:30:50.160 --> 01:30:54.400
Epitaph is a death doom, broad death metal band from France.

01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:55.960
They have really,

01:30:56.160 --> 01:30:57.100
really long songs,

01:30:57.820 --> 01:30:58.940
kind of like early Dreadnought.

01:31:00.340 --> 01:31:05.480
I'm into these guys. I like them a lot just because I like how they have these unique,

01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.680
crazy death doom moments. Then they get kind of real deathy fast,

01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:12.880
and then they go into these kind of just

01:31:13.040 --> 01:31:24.760
Not ambient, but ethereal acoustic passages and everything is super engaging, meaning you have to fully be engaged when you listen because there's so much going on.

01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:26.640
I really like that band too,

01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:28.880
especially the first one, Epitaph 1,

01:31:29.250 --> 01:31:33.160
I really like. Yeah, and they're all just slightly different.

01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:35.840
Not a lot, just a little.

01:31:36.540 --> 01:31:37.740
Now this third one,

01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.140
and I don't know why I bought their stuff,

01:31:40.440 --> 01:31:41.260
but if,

01:31:42.900 --> 01:31:43.380
For some reason,

01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:49.480
certain bands, I'm like, well, I bought everything, so I got to keep buying. And other bands, I'm like, I don't care anymore. I'm not buying any physical copy.

01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:51.760
For some reason, I like having their stuff.

01:31:52.540 --> 01:31:53.280
And I ordered this,

01:31:53.540 --> 01:31:55.720
and I mentioned this on the last other podcast.

01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:57.460
And I got a message,

01:31:57.620 --> 01:31:58.200
and I said, yeah,

01:31:58.460 --> 01:32:05.520
going forward, the French Postal Service is not mailing anything to the States under a certain weight anymore.

01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:08.120
It's got to be a certain amount for us to ship it.

01:32:08.580 --> 01:32:10.720
So we can't ship your physical copy.

01:32:11.360 --> 01:32:12.020
But don't worry.

01:32:13.740 --> 01:32:15.740
A Girlfriend from one of the guys in the band,

01:32:15.900 --> 01:32:21.360
she's going to be in the States for business, and she's bringing all the CDs with her, and she's going to mail them from the States for you.

01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:24.560
And she did. She mailed my CD from somewhere in the States.

01:32:24.740 --> 01:32:25.180
Awesome.

01:32:25.480 --> 01:32:27.220
So thank you very much, Epitaph.

01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:29.220
That's making me like the album even more.

01:32:29.930 --> 01:32:34.780
So next one is Green Carnation, A Dark Poem Part 3,

01:32:36.470 --> 01:32:37.340
The Messiah Complex,

01:32:37.700 --> 01:32:42.760
which is the finalization of this dark poem saga that they started.

01:32:42.900 --> 01:33:12.880
last year and the second release from this year it's a four song album three songs coming in around almost 19 minutes of their version of prog metal that they've been doing now since like they came back in 2020 and the last song is like a 17 minute full orchestra piece that is based around the whole three albums whoa so yeah it's kind of wild and you might say oh it's just stupid it's filler yeah but it's kind of cool though because

01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.120
It's all based around the music of the three albums.

01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.500
This is what I thought was going to be your album of the month,

01:33:19.700 --> 01:33:20.600
but I was wrong.

01:33:20.660 --> 01:33:21.640
No, I know.

01:33:21.820 --> 01:33:22.720
I thought so too.

01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:23.780
But yeah,

01:33:23.940 --> 01:33:25.200
and Mark is on your point. Yeah,

01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:25.760
it's different.

01:33:26.740 --> 01:33:27.340
Yeah, so it's cool,

01:33:27.820 --> 01:33:27.980
you know,

01:33:28.420 --> 01:33:29.960
and it's with the full on orchestra,

01:33:30.660 --> 01:33:32.200
which is kind of neat too.

01:33:33.380 --> 01:33:36.380
Oh, and also if you do three albums in less than a year,

01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:42.300
you could do something like that's kind of indulgent like that, you know, to wrap it up. I'm okay with that. That's pretty awesome.

01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:46.380
And I think they just played all three albums in a row at a show.

01:33:46.740 --> 01:33:48.040
And they're not long.

01:33:48.220 --> 01:33:49.840
You know, we're talking like 40-some minutes each.

01:33:50.120 --> 01:33:52.180
That's a good two-hour show with the three albums.

01:33:53.160 --> 01:33:53.740
So yes,

01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:54.660
good album.

01:33:55.900 --> 01:33:58.700
Next one is The Ocean Solaris, their 10th album.

01:33:59.140 --> 01:34:05.300
I wasn't sure what was going to happen with this because they basically revamped the band again.

01:34:06.180 --> 01:34:07.080
Completely different.

01:34:07.360 --> 01:34:07.800
Yeah,

01:34:08.020 --> 01:34:08.280
although,

01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:12.460
you know, the last time they did this was back, I guess, in what,

01:34:12.580 --> 01:34:13.160
2010,

01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:14.300
2009.

01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:16.560
And then people have been in and out.

01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:21.560
But there's been like 452 people in the band over the course of the career.

01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.720
It's the same guy, every album, Rob Stapps,

01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:25.880
Stapes,

01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:26.860
whatever you say his name.

01:34:27.400 --> 01:34:28.680
But the bassist,

01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.160
this is a long-time bassist now since 2015.

01:34:31.550 --> 01:34:32.600
And that band, that's a long time.

01:34:32.780 --> 01:34:33.800
He remained also.

01:34:34.020 --> 01:34:35.240
But their singer,

01:34:35.440 --> 01:34:36.860
you know, Loa Rossetti,

01:34:37.020 --> 01:34:42.000
was no longer in the band, which was kind of a bummer because he became kind of the face of the band in terms of,

01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:43.860
how you hear them.

01:34:45.500 --> 01:34:46.920
But I will say I do like the album.

01:34:47.620 --> 01:34:50.560
It's slightly different in that they've added a lot more electronics.

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.040
It's heavier than the previous couple albums,

01:34:54.280 --> 01:35:02.760
but then it's also more kind of... Synthe's not the right word, but it kind of goes off in that electronic world a little bit. It's cool.

01:35:02.940 --> 01:35:03.540
I like it.

01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:05.320
I really like the female singer in there,

01:35:05.620 --> 01:35:06.220
actually. She's awesome.

01:35:06.660 --> 01:35:12.280
Yeah. I mean, it's actually one of the few times I like both the male and female singer playing off each other.

01:35:12.580 --> 01:35:14.460
I think they do a nice job of that.

01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:17.840
And I never heard her before.

01:35:18.230 --> 01:35:19.400
Her name is Lane Shi.

01:35:19.730 --> 01:35:20.940
I think that's how you say her last name.

01:35:21.100 --> 01:35:24.920
She was from China originally. Then she moved to Boston.

01:35:25.950 --> 01:35:28.480
And she got her start in Boston in a couple bands.

01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:31.080
I never heard of her either.

01:35:31.260 --> 01:35:31.660
Yeah.

01:35:31.850 --> 01:35:33.000
And now she's hooked up with the ocean.

01:35:33.280 --> 01:35:37.960
And the male vocal is by somebody named Enrico Tiberia.

01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.140
So it's the ocean. If you like them, you know what you're getting.

01:35:42.180 --> 01:35:44.100
You're gonna have all these different musicians

01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:44.760
and they're all great,

01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:45.920
but it's a good album

01:35:46.480 --> 01:35:47.260
and I'm sure it'll do

01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:50.120
be on my list like the ocean almost always

01:35:50.400 --> 01:35:50.500
is.

01:35:51.620 --> 01:35:52.020
Next one

01:35:52.200 --> 01:35:53.840
is an album I'm pretty sure that

01:35:54.140 --> 01:35:54.920
George likes

01:35:56.660 --> 01:35:57.060
Psy.

01:35:57.460 --> 01:35:57.980
Oh yeah.

01:35:59.500 --> 01:36:00.160
The new one

01:36:00.240 --> 01:36:02.240
from Psy. I will be the first person to tell you

01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:04.260
I am, I like Psy

01:36:04.480 --> 01:36:06.180
but I don't know much about him. I have two

01:36:06.360 --> 01:36:06.460
albums,

01:36:07.140 --> 01:36:07.720
the last two

01:36:09.900 --> 01:36:10.300
and

01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:12.160
they fit my wheelhouse

01:36:12.180 --> 01:36:13.200
of this kind of crazy,

01:36:14.300 --> 01:36:14.640
progressive,

01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:17.800
avant-garde Japanese folk metal.

01:36:18.120 --> 01:36:23.460
There's some black metal, but I know it's not like the older albums that had way more black metal in them.

01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:28.060
But I don't even know if those are good ways to describe this band,

01:36:28.400 --> 01:36:29.680
because they're just wild.

01:36:30.140 --> 01:36:32.040
It's crazy stuff.

01:36:32.260 --> 01:36:33.160
It's enjoyable.

01:36:34.820 --> 01:36:41.320
I love the Japanese folk added to it, just because everything else is weird.

01:36:42.180 --> 01:37:12.140
just mix it up even more and and when i say weird i don't mean bad i mean it's just it goes in these places you don't think it's gonna go cool that they've got mike akkerfeld doing a guitar solo on one of the songs uh on the album which is nice that's i like i like sigh i'm getting i i really want to explore their stuff and i feel like i won't like everything check out hangman's hymn yes and i needed to do both versions i needed the original and then do the the revamped one that came out i think last year didn't

01:37:12.180 --> 01:37:42.140
the 25th anniversary yeah i didn't really listen to that um yeah but i know i have to i have to go back and listen to that yeah okay so this last one i added real quick lust mord lombardo the pulse of atoms i don't know if anyone's listened to this i have yeah i'm a huge lust mord fan have been for a very long time um this is one of my gateways into dark ambient it's not the gateway but it's one of the early gateways and this is

01:37:42.160 --> 01:37:46.300
I'm 15 years late from his first release when I got into him.

01:37:46.980 --> 01:37:50.280
But this is the latest from Brian

01:37:50.460 --> 01:37:52.280
Lessmore to Brian Williams, however he goes by.

01:37:53.080 --> 01:37:54.560
And Dave Lombardo,

01:37:55.030 --> 01:37:56.100
formerly of Slayer,

01:37:56.300 --> 01:37:57.500
14 different times.

01:37:57.660 --> 01:38:00.340
He's in everything. There's another band

01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:08.140
that I just added to my Bandcamp wish list. Hold on, let me find it. Sorry to interrupt.

01:38:08.240 --> 01:38:09.660
He's the one in his life.

01:38:11.980 --> 01:38:12.920
Satanic planet.

01:38:13.320 --> 01:38:13.900
Yeah.

01:38:14.240 --> 01:38:15.780
He's all over the place. He's everywhere.

01:38:16.660 --> 01:38:24.020
What's cool about this is that we already know he's a metal drum god. And he's a drum god in general.

01:38:24.980 --> 01:38:27.240
He may have not invented double bass,

01:38:27.580 --> 01:38:30.920
but he revolutionized double bass for metal.

01:38:32.500 --> 01:38:36.180
But to hear him doing Ritual Ambient with Les Mord,

01:38:36.420 --> 01:38:38.200
because it

01:38:38.220 --> 01:38:40.640
It's very dark ambient, but then it gets very ritualized.

01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:42.360
It's kind of cool to hear him playing like that.

01:38:43.260 --> 01:38:45.760
And I think if you want to get something different,

01:38:46.460 --> 01:38:47.680
then you should check it out. It's cool.

01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:51.880
I mean, there's no new ground broken here for Lost Mord.

01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:57.640
I mean, if you listen to any of his stuff, you know you're going to get from him over the course of 30 plus years.

01:38:58.940 --> 01:39:00.820
And I'm not a big ritual ambient fan.

01:39:02.420 --> 01:39:05.220
If it gets into that Marshall area,

01:39:05.380 --> 01:39:07.760
then I'm out. It's just all banging.

01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:08.900
But this is cool

01:39:09.180 --> 01:39:10.640
because Lombardo is a great drummer

01:39:10.730 --> 01:39:12.820
so he's giving some new flair to it

01:39:14.220 --> 01:39:14.580
Alright,

01:39:14.750 --> 01:39:15.660
so my pick from the Crypt

01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:17.160
It's not a

01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:19.440
unknown band

01:39:21.140 --> 01:39:23.500
Jay's already accused me of making up band names like Matt

01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:24.420
for the pick from the Crypt

01:39:24.700 --> 01:39:26.120
No, I went with a known band

01:39:26.360 --> 01:39:28.680
As a matter of fact, this band was already mentioned in this podcast

01:39:29.460 --> 01:39:31.200
As a matter of fact, they were mentioned during

01:39:31.610 --> 01:39:32.280
the new releases

01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:35.179
I'm going to go with Macedon

01:39:35.180 --> 01:39:38.100
But I'm going with the album Call of the Macedon.

01:39:38.420 --> 01:39:40.140
Which is the two EPs.

01:39:41.380 --> 01:39:44.140
Slick Leg and Life's Blood. They came out in 2001.

01:39:44.420 --> 01:39:47.560
And the reason I went with this is because we never talk about this stuff.

01:39:48.160 --> 01:39:54.100
We never talk about that early stuff. And this is also all the songs that were recorded with the original singer.

01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:57.900
From the 2009 song EP.

01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:00.160
And if you haven't heard these.

01:40:00.380 --> 01:40:04.240
You should. Because I feel like this has been forgotten amongst Macedon fans.

01:40:04.540 --> 01:40:05.060
Not only.

01:40:05.180 --> 01:40:06.160
some of the older fans,

01:40:06.540 --> 01:40:07.520
but a lot of the newer fans,

01:40:07.820 --> 01:40:13.600
the Prog Hobbits that came in with Crack the Sky, I don't feel like they've gone back. It's too heavy,

01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:14.580
man. It's too hard.

01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:16.000
That's why it's cool.

01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:18.040
If you haven't heard them,

01:40:18.240 --> 01:40:18.740
you should listen,

01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:20.280
because there are some bangers on this.

01:40:20.780 --> 01:40:22.660
This is all pre-remission.

01:40:24.100 --> 01:40:24.500
Shadows,

01:40:24.900 --> 01:40:26.600
that move is an incredible opener.

01:40:27.300 --> 01:40:30.480
Welcoming war, and then the clothes are called the Macedon.

01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:31.900
It's awesome.

01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:32.640
Now,

01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:33.060
again,

01:40:33.220 --> 01:40:34.040
there are two EPs.

01:40:34.300 --> 01:40:35.160
This was released in

01:40:35.200 --> 01:40:35.780
in 2006,

01:40:36.070 --> 01:40:39.980
but the EP, all the music was written for 2000,

01:40:40.160 --> 01:40:43.180
2001 is when they got the two official EP releases.

01:40:43.940 --> 01:40:50.960
And both Brett Hines and Bill Kelleher have said they kind of view this as, or refer to this as their first album.

01:40:51.260 --> 01:40:54.260
If you go back and listen to this Call the Mastodon,

01:40:54.420 --> 01:40:56.920
the two EPs together now in the official release,

01:40:57.100 --> 01:40:59.080
it feels like it's their first album.

01:40:59.540 --> 01:41:00.640
It's kind of raw.

01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:01.540
It's heavy.

01:41:01.700 --> 01:41:02.200
It's aggressive.

01:41:03.420 --> 01:41:04.560
It's a little nasty.

01:41:05.200 --> 01:41:08.720
I don't know if I like those creatures on this album.

01:41:09.040 --> 01:41:09.480
Yeah,

01:41:09.660 --> 01:41:16.400
it's a little more unrefined, but that's what's great about it, that rawness to it. It's got the post-hardcore aspect to it,

01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:17.640
which is kind of cool.

01:41:18.440 --> 01:41:28.260
And Life's Light opens up with that clip from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest that just completely has been in my head ever since I heard it for the first time.

01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:28.980
Yeah.

01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:31.940
And again, it's a bigger band,

01:41:32.280 --> 01:41:35.160
but I feel like sometimes we need to

01:41:35.200 --> 01:41:39.460
remember some of the early pieces that get forgotten in a band's history.

01:41:40.860 --> 01:41:41.620
I think that's great.

01:41:42.100 --> 01:41:45.100
Because that's true. Most people aren't thinking about that record.

01:41:45.360 --> 01:41:50.420
Even if you were going to do a rundown of all of Mass Downs stuff, that might even be forgotten.

01:41:51.300 --> 01:41:51.940
That's nice.

01:41:52.440 --> 01:41:56.360
And I like that those guys referred to it as their first album, even though it was two EPs.

01:41:56.580 --> 01:41:58.480
I'm like, yeah, this is kind of cool that they're doing that.

01:41:59.220 --> 01:42:00.420
I'd say figured out,

01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:00.960
you know,

01:42:01.220 --> 01:42:05.800
who they were going to be in their sound. I mean, obviously they were funded over the course of other records,

01:42:06.120 --> 01:42:07.480
but that's the beginning.

01:42:07.700 --> 01:42:08.360
It's super important.

01:42:09.160 --> 01:42:11.040
Well, that early riffing they did,

01:42:11.620 --> 01:42:12.000
it's there.

01:42:12.180 --> 01:42:12.700
So anyway.

01:42:13.480 --> 01:42:13.960
Nice.

01:42:14.940 --> 01:42:15.480
I like it.

01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:17.400
Thank you very much.

01:42:18.060 --> 01:42:22.100
I'm glad I could help out with my pick from the crypt.

01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:25.280
Alrighty.

01:42:26.340 --> 01:42:26.680
Surprisingly,

01:42:26.860 --> 01:42:28.520
I do have a few things to mention.

01:42:30.219 --> 01:42:31.260
First up,

01:42:31.420 --> 01:42:34.440
the first band you've never heard of, maybe you have,

01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:36.240
Cemetery Echo.

01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:42.460
It's their first album called Civitas Lacrimarum.

01:42:43.120 --> 01:42:44.320
They're from Buffalo.

01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:49.540
And the best I can call it is gothic metal,

01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:55.100
but it's not gothic metal like synths and Sisters of Mercy.

01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.680
It's more like a dark,

01:42:57.880 --> 01:42:59.120
raw unto others.

01:42:59.200 --> 01:43:00.540
if it was like,

01:43:01.700 --> 01:43:02.100
you know,

01:43:02.980 --> 01:43:03.580
kind of dirty,

01:43:05.080 --> 01:43:05.360
dirty,

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:06.180
dirty goth.

01:43:07.100 --> 01:43:08.960
It's a little poppy, a little dirty.

01:43:09.340 --> 01:43:09.560
Yeah.

01:43:11.440 --> 01:43:13.840
Fairly clean vocals most of the time, as I recall.

01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:17.560
I just found it interesting because it was different.

01:43:17.780 --> 01:43:20.360
It's like it, it, it,

01:43:20.740 --> 01:43:21.740
you know,

01:43:22.140 --> 01:43:29.160
pretends to be, not pretends, but attempts at some sort of goth, but it's not what you would usually expect from that.

01:43:29.220 --> 01:43:32.740
And it's raw and mildly heavy.

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:35.900
So I'm going to give this a little bit more of a listen.

01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:38.320
Next,

01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:41.220
the fourth album from Chat Pile.

01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:43.380
Who Loves the Sun?

01:43:43.940 --> 01:43:47.860
So they're an Oklahoma City noise sludge band.

01:43:48.260 --> 01:43:50.300
I really liked their second album,

01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:53.520
Something Cool Country.

01:43:54.280 --> 01:43:57.180
I can't remember the album title, but I really liked it.

01:43:58.300 --> 01:44:04.860
And when it came out, I thought it was an interesting take and not something you hear all the time.

01:44:06.140 --> 01:44:07.740
And then the album after that,

01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:10.120
I did not care for much at all.

01:44:11.700 --> 01:44:14.600
But that was some sort of collab with somebody else.

01:44:14.850 --> 01:44:19.740
So I'm going to write that off as not chat.

01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:28.040
And I think this fourth album kind of returns to the sound of the second album.

01:44:28.120 --> 01:44:31.080
But perhaps a little cleaner with some of the vocals,

01:44:31.440 --> 01:44:35.280
even though he just loses his freaking mind screaming at points.

01:44:37.380 --> 01:44:44.440
I think it's maybe a wider dynamic range on this album,

01:44:44.780 --> 01:44:44.960
perhaps.

01:44:47.220 --> 01:44:52.880
I'm not a big fan of that band, but I guess I'll take a listen since you like it. They're a decibel darling for sure,

01:44:53.240 --> 01:44:55.060
but I've just never really been into that band.

01:44:55.220 --> 01:44:56.460
And you'll probably hate it.

01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.200
But I don't know.

01:45:01.250 --> 01:45:05.040
Because I didn't really care for the last one, I almost didn't put it on. And I was like, ah, you know,

01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:06.680
hope springs eternal.

01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:07.440
Let's see what happens.

01:45:07.610 --> 01:45:10.780
And I put it on and I totally expected to kill it after a song or two.

01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:15.720
And I just kept listening. I was like, yeah, all right. This is where I feel like they should have been last time.

01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:21.940
And here's the thing, George, like you just you shouldn't write off any bands because you'd never know.

01:45:22.320 --> 01:45:25.560
Like we haven't been into Mastodon, but we really like the new record a lot.

01:45:25.740 --> 01:45:34.020
So it's like you got to give it a spin because you just never know when they might pull out something from the hat and just really respond to it.

01:45:34.180 --> 01:45:36.420
And if it's a band that I liked at some point,

01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:39.980
I always try it again.

01:45:40.930 --> 01:45:41.260
You know,

01:45:41.620 --> 01:45:48.480
so it's stuff that I don't never cared for that I'm like, eh,

01:45:48.700 --> 01:45:50.740
I'm writing that off after two songs,

01:45:51.040 --> 01:45:51.200
you know.

01:45:55.460 --> 01:45:57.220
Next up, this one was mentioned.

01:45:57.640 --> 01:45:57.760
Thanks,

01:45:58.040 --> 01:45:58.140
John,

01:45:58.560 --> 01:45:58.880
Psy,

01:45:59.140 --> 01:46:00.080
and their 14th album,

01:46:00.340 --> 01:46:00.760
Goka,

01:46:01.040 --> 01:46:03.000
or however you might say that.

01:46:03.400 --> 01:46:05.120
Japanese Avant Black Metal.

01:46:06.940 --> 01:46:09.240
This was another beach album for me.

01:46:10.080 --> 01:46:13.740
And I believe it was my album of the month.

01:46:14.460 --> 01:46:15.740
It was. It was.

01:46:16.400 --> 01:46:16.560
Yeah.

01:46:17.160 --> 01:46:20.060
This is just so fresh to me.

01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:24.180
You know, I've heard so much metal.

01:46:24.360 --> 01:46:31.520
and so much metal that sounds like so much other metal or at least does not differentiate from so much other metal.

01:46:31.980 --> 01:46:37.920
And so when I hear something like this that's just not like anything else and it's done well,

01:46:38.220 --> 01:46:39.820
I love it.

01:46:41.980 --> 01:46:42.140
So.

01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:43.440
Yeah,

01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:44.520
I couldn't agree more.

01:46:45.500 --> 01:46:46.340
Fantastic album.

01:46:46.700 --> 01:46:47.420
If you haven't heard it,

01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:48.320
check it out.

01:46:48.980 --> 01:46:49.120
Yeah.

01:46:50.280 --> 01:46:53.940
My last album, I debated Waiting for Jay.

01:46:54.380 --> 01:46:56.900
And I don't even know if it's officially out yet.

01:46:58.440 --> 01:47:00.500
But it was briefly insulted earlier.

01:47:00.980 --> 01:47:02.640
And that's the new Wayfarer album.

01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:04.400
Riders of the Setting Sun.

01:47:04.900 --> 01:47:05.760
Their sixth album.

01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:08.640
Not metal at all.

01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:10.060
Zero metal on it.

01:47:10.380 --> 01:47:16.460
But I would also say probably my favorite album of theirs probably ever.

01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:18.220
I mean, I might like the first one or two.

01:47:18.420 --> 01:47:18.960
Whoa.

01:47:19.620 --> 01:47:21.320
But because here's the thing.

01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.080
I've never cared for their albums because they always,

01:47:24.240 --> 01:47:24.980
bury the vocals.

01:47:25.570 --> 01:47:31.860
And they even talked about that in the Decibel article about how he would bury his vocals. And I'm like,

01:47:32.330 --> 01:47:33.520
fuck you, don't bury the vocals.

01:47:33.900 --> 01:47:36.240
You know, that's cardinal sin.

01:47:37.220 --> 01:47:39.800
And this,

01:47:40.140 --> 01:47:49.020
I guess we should probably explain, this is not metal. This is a sort of gothic country folk album,

01:47:49.220 --> 01:47:51.940
Americana stuff that,

01:47:52.120 --> 01:47:53.980
it's metal?

01:47:54.020 --> 01:47:54.220
No,

01:47:54.540 --> 01:47:56.240
but it is kind of cool.

01:47:56.610 --> 01:47:59.000
I haven't given it a full proper listen.

01:47:59.160 --> 01:48:00.580
I've listened to about half of it by now.

01:48:01.420 --> 01:48:02.480
And I know I want to hear more.

01:48:02.780 --> 01:48:06.300
I agree with Marcus on it's not something you're going to reach for every day.

01:48:06.780 --> 01:48:08.520
And in case his case, probably never again.

01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:11.960
But but to me,

01:48:12.140 --> 01:48:15.560
this is it's cool that somebody is doing something like this,

01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:19.340
that it's like Nick Cave did a country album or something,

01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:19.760
you know,

01:48:20.180 --> 01:48:24.000
definitely sounds like listen, I listen to the whole thing because I

01:48:24.040 --> 01:48:26.520
Like we were just saying, you never know. Like, I'm going to give it a chance.

01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:28.260
It's just not for me.

01:48:28.460 --> 01:48:30.160
I think the vocals aren't buried,

01:48:30.460 --> 01:48:32.260
but they're not that great either.

01:48:32.780 --> 01:48:34.520
But it's very different.

01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:35.180
I mean,

01:48:36.300 --> 01:48:40.460
people could really respond to this in a way that they didn't expect.

01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:43.540
It's nothing like what they've done before.

01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:45.720
I expect it to be very polarizing.

01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:47.380
Oh, yeah.

01:48:47.860 --> 01:48:51.960
Much like another band from Sweden has gone through.

01:48:54.020 --> 01:48:57.240
Is this damnation or is this heritage?

01:48:57.920 --> 01:48:59.120
I'm going to say

01:49:01.140 --> 01:49:02.180
damnation. Really?

01:49:02.380 --> 01:49:03.480
Because they did

01:49:03.980 --> 01:49:07.660
even from their, there was more positives I feel from damnation

01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:10.600
Oh, I'm sure there was. But I believe even in the

01:49:11.620 --> 01:49:13.600
Decibel article they referenced

01:49:14.110 --> 01:49:15.340
this as their damnation.

01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:16.640
I was just going to ask you

01:49:16.700 --> 01:49:19.480
is this their damnation moment where they go from

01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:21.520
an album that everyone loved

01:49:22.040 --> 01:49:23.340
or a heavy point.

01:49:23.480 --> 01:49:24.940
And then all of a sudden it's like, hey,

01:49:25.120 --> 01:49:25.300
man.

01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:26.900
This is something they wanted to do.

01:49:29.460 --> 01:49:29.860
But,

01:49:30.820 --> 01:49:30.940
yeah.

01:49:31.120 --> 01:49:31.660
You know what?

01:49:31.700 --> 01:49:34.900
I've met those guys and talked to them because they play shows here quite a bit.

01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:37.080
And they're the nicest fucking guys,

01:49:37.460 --> 01:49:37.820
I think.

01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:38.900
In metal.

01:49:39.240 --> 01:49:40.580
Like, really engaging.

01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:44.940
Always want to talk to their fans and just really passionate about what they do.

01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:49.280
Because I was talking about what they would do going forward.

01:49:50.440 --> 01:50:19.700
I really like that so I don't know I might listen to it again but it's not metal so I'd be surprised if you put it on your list I don't intend to put it on my list it could go on the other podcast list I guess it's not even really rock there is some rock elements to it though yeah so it's really funny real quick on rate your music it doesn't come out till the end of November like November 20th or towards the end

01:50:19.740 --> 01:50:22.140
And somebody's already given it a half a star.

01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:23.200
Really?

01:50:23.380 --> 01:50:23.880
End of November.

01:50:24.080 --> 01:50:24.180
Wow.

01:50:24.340 --> 01:50:25.140
That's an early promo.

01:50:26.020 --> 01:50:26.420
Yeah.

01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:27.880
Huh.

01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:29.380
I mean,

01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:34.100
I always give bands credit for trying something different,

01:50:34.290 --> 01:50:35.200
and this is way,

01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:47.280
way different. I mean, obviously it has that kind of like cowboy aesthetic, that Western aesthetic that all the records have, but it really leans into that folk aspect.

01:50:47.430 --> 01:50:48.320
I mean, it is all folk.

01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:48.920
Yeah.

01:50:49.140 --> 01:50:52.380
It's got quite the western album cover.

01:50:52.700 --> 01:50:57.580
It feels like a '70s spaghetti western album cover.

01:50:58.150 --> 01:50:58.320
Yeah.

01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:04.560
And I give Decimal credit too. They have the whole front cover feature for it. And I mean, it's definitely not metal,

01:51:04.780 --> 01:51:06.440
but they've been a metal band.

01:51:06.690 --> 01:51:13.260
So it's intriguing to see what a band might do that's completely different from before.

01:51:13.630 --> 01:51:19.060
So I enjoyed reading the article as well to hear what they said and why they wanted to do it.

01:51:19.100 --> 01:51:23.300
But it does seem to me that this is the direction that they want to go.

01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:27.360
I don't think they plan to return to doing heavier stuff.

01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:36.740
I'd like to see them walk it back a little because he has this newfound confidence in his vocals.

01:51:37.320 --> 01:51:45.340
I'd like to see them maintain some of this country western theme and style,

01:51:46.280 --> 01:51:48.860
but maybe add back some of the metal.

01:51:49.100 --> 01:52:19.080
maybe not the same maybe not as black metal but you know in a heavier direction and maintain these up front clean vocals with that and you know maybe like mike you throw in some harshes and once in a while too i don't know but who knows we'll see i am curious to see what the reviews are going to be for this record because you know all the metal outlets will probably review it because they've been a metal band shit sandwich so i'm i'm

01:52:19.120 --> 01:52:23.880
I'm curious to see when it drops like what the response is I think they're gonna get blood

01:52:23.980 --> 01:52:46.940
incantation because blue when blood incantation put out that ambient album people lost their shit they went that's it they're done they're over and they're not they just know then they came back and did like the album of the year on most critics for a lot and ironically one of the guys in blood incantation is in Wayfair

01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:53.640
I'm going to check it out now just because what you guys are saying.

01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:57.880
And I'm not a huge Americana fan. I like some,

01:52:58.040 --> 01:53:00.120
but I never gravitated towards it.

01:53:00.410 --> 01:53:04.660
I was never into any kind of American folk or bleeding bluegrass.

01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:06.560
It's got a lot of ambiance.

01:53:07.400 --> 01:53:07.620
Okay.

01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:07.960
Yeah.

01:53:08.420 --> 01:53:08.920
I'll check it out.

01:53:09.260 --> 01:53:12.140
It reminds me of when Panopticon did the double.

01:53:12.900 --> 01:53:13.340
Yeah.

01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.260
And what it was Americana. I believe,

01:53:15.420 --> 01:53:16.640
George, you were super high on.

01:53:16.660 --> 01:53:16.960
Oh, yeah.

01:53:17.080 --> 01:53:20.920
Americana one over the more traditional octagon album.

01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:21.800
I'll be honest.

01:53:22.140 --> 01:53:27.600
I do like bands that don't stick to the same formula every time.

01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:28.180
Sure,

01:53:28.380 --> 01:53:29.300
Overkill's cool.

01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:32.040
Saxon or Saxon is cool.

01:53:32.860 --> 01:53:34.000
But after a while, you're like, okay,

01:53:34.160 --> 01:53:36.960
I've got like eight of these albums,

01:53:37.500 --> 01:53:39.000
and there's still 12 more to go,

01:53:39.540 --> 01:53:39.820
you know?

01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:41.320
Right.

01:53:42.100 --> 01:53:42.220
So,

01:53:42.380 --> 01:53:42.740
I don't know.

01:53:43.740 --> 01:53:44.420
Keep it open in mind.

01:53:44.580 --> 01:53:45.520
Maybe you're right.

01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:49.000
I never thought Opeth would have harsh vocals again.

01:53:49.860 --> 01:53:52.060
And then I put the single on, I'm like, what?

01:53:52.480 --> 01:53:53.160
You know, so.

01:53:54.440 --> 01:53:56.020
Yeah, I mean, definitely give it a spin.

01:53:56.390 --> 01:53:56.740
I mean.

01:53:57.040 --> 01:54:00.300
Yeah, I'll check it out. That's worth listening. It's only 37 minutes,

01:54:00.580 --> 01:54:01.960
too. So it's not a huge commitment.

01:54:02.170 --> 01:54:02.640
And that's,

01:54:03.200 --> 01:54:04.460
I'm so into Wheelhouse.

01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:05.680
That 37,

01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:06.860
38 to 44,

01:54:07.040 --> 01:54:10.260
45 is just where I'd love to be now. So cool.

01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:15.600
All right. All right. My pick from The Crypt is a band that I think will

01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:18.320
has used in a pick for the crypt,

01:54:18.540 --> 01:54:19.280
but different album.

01:54:20.220 --> 01:54:20.860
So it's death metal.

01:54:22.220 --> 01:54:22.340
Yeah.

01:54:25.860 --> 01:54:28.680
This is gore fest and their fourth album,

01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:29.820
soul survivor.

01:54:30.320 --> 01:54:30.460
Um,

01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:33.240
and at this point in their career earlier,

01:54:33.460 --> 01:54:36.960
they're much more traditional death metal. This was more of a death and roll album.

01:54:37.820 --> 01:54:38.020
Uh,

01:54:38.660 --> 01:54:39.080
and,

01:54:39.240 --> 01:54:39.340
uh,

01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:44.800
I picked this up on CD at tower records in Ann Arbor when this came out.

01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:46.320
Because I was,

01:54:46.700 --> 01:54:46.840
you know,

01:54:47.140 --> 01:54:51.880
back then it was like, you're flipping through the bins, you can't hear it because there's no internet.

01:54:52.280 --> 01:54:53.220
Actually, there probably was internet.

01:54:53.950 --> 01:54:55.380
But anyway,

01:54:55.820 --> 01:54:57.360
you know, you flip through things, you pick things up, you're like,

01:54:57.540 --> 01:54:57.780
gore fest.

01:54:57.980 --> 01:54:58.820
Well, that's got to be metal.

01:55:00.100 --> 01:55:03.240
And it was an impressive,

01:55:03.980 --> 01:55:05.640
I didn't write down the year on it.

01:55:05.950 --> 01:55:08.140
I want to say 96.

01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:11.560
Let's see.

01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:16.340
Archive Machine.

01:55:18.420 --> 01:55:18.680
96.

01:55:19.170 --> 01:55:20.040
I did look this up earlier.

01:55:20.070 --> 01:55:20.960
I just forgot to write it down.

01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:21.820
So,

01:55:21.980 --> 01:55:23.140
you know, it's 30 years old.

01:55:26.160 --> 01:55:29.100
So at that time period, yeah, Death and Roll makes sense.

01:55:30.360 --> 01:55:30.680
I don't know.

01:55:30.860 --> 01:55:31.920
When I got it, I just loved it.

01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:33.260
It's heavy.

01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:34.980
It's got harsh vocals,

01:55:35.340 --> 01:55:36.960
but they're, you know,

01:55:37.240 --> 01:55:38.180
they're not out of control,

01:55:38.400 --> 01:55:38.920
harsh vocals.

01:55:40.300 --> 01:55:40.660
So,

01:55:41.220 --> 01:55:41.400
I don't know.

01:55:42.120 --> 01:55:43.560
It's just an album that I've always liked.

01:55:43.590 --> 01:55:44.600
I always go back to it.

01:55:44.980 --> 01:55:45.420
And,

01:55:45.640 --> 01:55:45.760
uh,

01:55:46.700 --> 01:55:46.860
nice.

01:55:47.660 --> 01:55:49.360
I always hope that maybe,

01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:53.840
like, MDF will do a gore-fest reunion set at some point, but.

01:55:54.040 --> 01:55:55.180
I should have done it this year.

01:55:55.500 --> 01:55:55.980
30 years.

01:55:56.280 --> 01:55:56.820
Yeah, really.

01:55:58.100 --> 01:55:59.260
What are you thinking?

01:55:59.740 --> 01:56:05.080
So many anniversaries. I feel like every year is, like, a huge, huge anniversary.

01:56:06.300 --> 01:56:08.600
Well, especially this year,

01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:10.760
because of, surprisingly,

01:56:11.200 --> 01:56:14.020
if you go all the way back to the 70s, 76,

01:56:14.280 --> 01:56:14.440
86,

01:56:14.620 --> 01:56:18.020
They're all big years in some odd way.

01:56:18.620 --> 01:56:19.460
Especially 86.

01:56:20.620 --> 01:56:21.140
Yeah.

01:56:21.370 --> 01:56:24.960
I can't even fathom all these 40-year-old albums.

01:56:25.580 --> 01:56:27.280
But even next year,

01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:29.200
like Death, Scream, Bloody Gore,

01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:30.540
huge anniversary.

01:56:31.320 --> 01:56:31.700
Right.

01:56:32.270 --> 01:56:32.640
It is.

01:56:33.090 --> 01:56:34.000
But let's be honest,

01:56:34.180 --> 01:56:41.100
when can you have the big three out of four released now? Did Anthrax release now in 86?

01:56:41.440 --> 01:56:41.580
Yeah,

01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:42.180
Among the Living.

01:56:42.440 --> 01:56:44.260
So they did. Okay, so the big four,

01:56:44.620 --> 01:56:45.240
release albums.

01:56:46.420 --> 01:56:48.940
And that's not even counting all the other metal bands that released albums.

01:56:49.160 --> 01:56:50.920
That's just those four right there alone.

01:56:51.200 --> 01:56:52.280
That's insane.

01:56:52.780 --> 01:56:53.120
Yeah.

01:56:54.160 --> 01:56:54.720
So.

01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:57.480
And all considered,

01:56:58.200 --> 01:56:58.420
you know,

01:56:59.040 --> 01:56:59.820
to be,

01:57:00.120 --> 01:57:04.180
if not one, a top one or two album in the band's discography,

01:57:04.480 --> 01:57:04.680
you know?

01:57:05.040 --> 01:57:05.500
Mm-hmm.

01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:07.780
Man, it's crazy.

01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:08.080
Yeah.

01:57:08.320 --> 01:57:09.940
That is wild to think about.

01:57:11.480 --> 01:57:12.260
All right.

01:57:12.860 --> 01:57:13.420
So,

01:57:13.740 --> 01:57:14.580
sometimes a week

01:57:14.620 --> 01:57:17.400
The Reel Gets Spun and Sometimes Things Happen.

01:57:19.160 --> 01:57:22.940
Last time, John. I gotta pee quick before we do this.

01:57:23.280 --> 01:57:23.580
Yeah,

01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:24.600
I gotta see. Yeah.

01:57:25.200 --> 01:57:26.120
Quick break. Also,

01:57:26.740 --> 01:57:30.000
just wanted to tell you I put that record in the box.

01:57:31.400 --> 01:57:32.000
So you got it.

01:57:32.300 --> 01:57:32.400
Now,

01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:32.660
John,

01:57:32.860 --> 01:57:37.760
also I put in the new Dungeon Serpent. It got a pretty good review in Decibel, and I liked the first one, so that's in there as well.

01:57:37.980 --> 01:57:40.780
Awesome. Thank you so much for doing it. I appreciate that. You got it.

01:57:41.820 --> 01:57:42.340
All right.

01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:44.580
I will sing my CNC Music

01:57:44.720 --> 01:57:47.340
and wait it out.

01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:48.860
Dang.

01:57:49.580 --> 01:57:49.920
Dang.

01:57:50.440 --> 01:57:50.520
Dang.

01:57:50.690 --> 01:57:50.820
Dang.

01:57:52.350 --> 01:57:52.480
Dang.

01:57:53.150 --> 01:57:56.100
And I'm going to whisper sweet nothings to Matt while he's touching himself.

01:58:00.260 --> 01:58:06.220
Trying to remember the password and login and password for the for the box.

01:58:07.680 --> 01:58:07.900
Yeah.

01:58:08.300 --> 01:58:09.680
Usually I'm asking you for it.

01:58:10.430 --> 01:58:10.880
I know.

01:58:11.210 --> 01:58:12.280
But it happens to me.

01:58:12.440 --> 01:58:16.980
I just get a brain cramp and I can't remember passwords that I've been using for years.

01:58:17.220 --> 01:58:17.360
Oh,

01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:18.500
believe me, I know my brain.

01:58:18.700 --> 01:58:26.460
I mean, I think part of it now is just I'm so burned out from work that my brain just does not function well.

01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:27.920
Cool.

01:58:28.380 --> 01:58:30.180
All right. I'm going to download the Wayfair,

01:58:30.340 --> 01:58:30.460
too.

01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:32.960
Yeah, it's interesting.

01:58:34.020 --> 01:58:38.400
All right. I just realized I have to go to the bathroom, too, so I'll be brought back. Okay.

01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:39.120
I'll be fast.

01:58:39.540 --> 01:58:40.040
I don't have to,

01:58:40.260 --> 01:58:41.860
like, you know, go number two or anything.

01:58:42.440 --> 01:58:43.200
That's good.

01:58:43.380 --> 01:58:44.400
Thanks for that information.

01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:46.300
Right, Matt?

01:58:46.520 --> 01:58:46.640
Right?

01:58:50.460 --> 01:58:52.320
I see you, Matt. You can wave to me.

01:58:52.480 --> 01:58:53.020
There you are.

01:58:53.560 --> 01:58:54.760
I can't hear you. You're muted.

01:58:55.040 --> 01:58:55.440
Yes,

01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:56.820
I heard your sweet nothings.

01:59:08.580 --> 01:59:08.980
Sweet,

01:59:09.220 --> 01:59:10.380
sweet bladder relief.

01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:11.140
Yeah, indeed.

01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:14.060
I'm like,

01:59:14.580 --> 01:59:15.220
I'm just cruising around. Why no beer,

01:59:15.420 --> 01:59:15.560
George?

01:59:16.460 --> 01:59:17.400
Health reasons.

01:59:18.040 --> 01:59:19.020
Nothing specific.

01:59:19.220 --> 01:59:20.800
Just, you know, just losing weight.

01:59:23.360 --> 01:59:25.780
And beer does not make that happen.

01:59:26.380 --> 01:59:27.940
I mean, I had one like Tuesday,

01:59:28.300 --> 01:59:28.380
but,

01:59:28.540 --> 01:59:31.460
you know, just not as much.

01:59:32.320 --> 01:59:36.380
Yeah, I mean, the beer will definitely add to the package.

01:59:37.340 --> 01:59:37.740
Yeah.

01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:41.060
I hadn't had one in a while, and I was like, you know what? I'm having a couple tonight.

01:59:43.580 --> 01:59:45.580
Especially because I got all these burial beers,

01:59:46.060 --> 01:59:46.760
which is my favorite.

01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:48.140
Brewery.

01:59:49.120 --> 01:59:49.760
North Carolina,

01:59:50.180 --> 01:59:50.280
so.

01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:51.260
Nice.

01:59:53.100 --> 01:59:53.280
Yeah.

01:59:53.960 --> 01:59:56.460
A lot of Tavor stuff.

01:59:59.100 --> 02:00:00.120
Although I've cut back.

02:00:00.270 --> 02:00:03.680
I usually only get it like twice a year now, but they're pretty big boxes.

02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:08.240
It's like, I'm only having one beer.

02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:08.940
One beer.

02:00:09.170 --> 02:00:09.620
Cha-junk.

02:00:10.210 --> 02:00:11.280
One giant beer.

02:00:13.080 --> 02:00:14.800
But then I had this one too,

02:00:15.040 --> 02:00:17.220
which is... Where's this from?

02:00:17.860 --> 02:00:21.220
I can't read anything without my readers now. I'm so fucking old.

02:00:23.420 --> 02:00:24.520
Where are my readers?

02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:25.320
There we go.

02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:27.280
Even with my readers, I can't read things.

02:00:28.060 --> 02:00:31.460
Jesus Christ. I like pill bottles and stuff. This just happened this year where I have to have readers.

02:00:32.620 --> 02:00:34.040
False Hope Brewery.

02:00:34.200 --> 02:00:35.440
I like their beer too.

02:00:35.900 --> 02:00:37.780
Dead Weight. This is a really good one.

02:00:38.700 --> 02:00:41.300
Coconut Chocolate and Despair is in this.

02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:44.240
So,

02:00:44.700 --> 02:00:44.840
Marcus,

02:00:45.060 --> 02:00:52.020
I don't know if you took a mental note when I said when you turn 50, all your expiration dates start hitting your body.

02:00:52.760 --> 02:00:55.740
It is crazy true.

02:00:56.600 --> 02:00:57.360
It's just like,

02:00:57.630 --> 02:00:57.760
whoa,

02:00:57.960 --> 02:00:58.980
where did that come from?

02:00:59.140 --> 02:01:00.640
Or like, what do you mean I have to approach?

02:01:00.980 --> 02:01:01.540
It just,

02:01:01.780 --> 02:01:03.380
I don't know what it is. I mean,

02:01:03.560 --> 02:01:05.540
we're all Gen Xers,

02:01:06.040 --> 02:01:06.260
you know?

02:01:06.980 --> 02:01:08.820
Matt, you're like a young Gen Xer.

02:01:09.340 --> 02:01:11.260
Or you could be an old millennial, whatever you choose.

02:01:11.380 --> 02:01:13.700
I think it's choose your own adventure.

02:01:13.980 --> 02:01:14.920
Wait, what year were you born,

02:01:15.120 --> 02:01:15.220
Matt?

02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:16.200
78.

02:01:16.380 --> 02:01:18.460
So I go, yeah, he's Gen X. He's Gen X.

02:01:18.780 --> 02:01:19.720
He's just slid in.

02:01:19.950 --> 02:01:20.040
Yeah.

02:01:20.200 --> 02:01:20.360
Yeah.

02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:24.400
So 81 is the next generation because that's Tracy.

02:01:24.710 --> 02:01:26.180
So it's like through 80s.

02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:26.700
Yeah,

02:01:26.910 --> 02:01:29.280
but it just depends how you raise.

02:01:29.540 --> 02:01:35.660
You know, if you have like, you know, if like when you bump into the door, you fall down or if you bump into the door, you go, get out of my way, I'll beat your ass,

02:01:36.120 --> 02:01:36.660
you know, kind of thing.

02:01:37.050 --> 02:01:38.200
But yeah,

02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:41.320
everything just all of a sudden just like, ah,

02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:44.860
The eyes is annoying though, because

02:01:45.780 --> 02:01:50.480
it's never happened now. I just have to have readers when anything's close and I've got

02:01:51.400 --> 02:01:51.900
I don't know,

02:01:52.200 --> 02:01:54.420
like nine pairs of them. Can you get them in bulk?

02:01:57.020 --> 02:02:00.860
I did readers to the point where I had to finally get permanent.

02:02:01.380 --> 02:02:01.520
So

02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:04.220
I've got my focus.

02:02:06.420 --> 02:02:07.760
Yeah, I'm sure I'll get to that point,

02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:08.000
George.

02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:10.520
It sucks,

02:02:11.120 --> 02:02:12.780
but it makes your life a ton easier,

02:02:12.980 --> 02:02:13.280
trust me.

02:02:13.560 --> 02:02:17.620
And just so you know, you still can't read the labels on stuff because that prints so damn small.

02:02:18.020 --> 02:02:19.880
You need a telescope to see it.

02:02:20.060 --> 02:02:26.560
Yeah, what I do is... I mean, I can with this. I've got the 2.0 magnification, so I can... That's where I was, and then I got these.

02:02:26.900 --> 02:02:29.200
I take a picture, and then I just blow up the picture.

02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:32.480
I do that too, George. That's how I used to do it.

02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:36.300
But, you know, when you're just like looking at your phone or I want to look at this, I'm not going to take a picture.

02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:38.100
No, I mean, there's no other way

02:02:38.140 --> 02:02:39.860
for me to read it. My readers can't read.

02:02:40.480 --> 02:02:44.380
You can't. Oh, okay. My readers can, so I just have them in every room.

02:02:44.940 --> 02:02:50.380
Or do you guys do this? You just take your phone and blow it up to like 10 on the camera.

02:02:50.580 --> 02:02:51.080
You're like, oh,

02:02:52.000 --> 02:02:52.060
oh,

02:02:52.220 --> 02:02:52.920
that's what it says.

02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:54.780
Yeah, I got it.

02:02:55.740 --> 02:02:56.500
Senior print.

02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:00.760
That's ant print they're putting on there.

02:03:00.940 --> 02:03:01.440
Oh, geez.

02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:01.860
Yeah.

02:03:02.860 --> 02:03:03.480
All right.

02:03:04.160 --> 02:03:05.020
Right then.

02:03:05.400 --> 02:03:06.600
All right. Do it up, John.

02:03:07.380 --> 02:03:07.780
So,

02:03:08.140 --> 02:03:08.880
Last time,

02:03:09.160 --> 02:03:10.360
John spun the wheel.

02:03:11.120 --> 02:03:12.240
What did you win,

02:03:12.400 --> 02:03:12.580
John?

02:03:13.400 --> 02:03:14.640
I won some pain.

02:03:15.400 --> 02:03:15.880
Pain!

02:03:17.120 --> 02:03:17.600
So,

02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:22.060
I won a topic for a segment called Court of Chaos.

02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:25.580
Dum-dum-dum!

02:03:25.980 --> 02:03:26.460
Yeah.

02:03:26.980 --> 02:03:27.520
Dum-dum!

02:03:27.680 --> 02:03:32.580
And then it's got to come on the bottom of the screen, you know, New York, Servant County. In the Court of Chaos,

02:03:32.820 --> 02:03:37.880
there are two separate and individual... I really don't know the law and order.

02:03:38.120 --> 02:03:42.180
But you don't understand the truth!

02:03:44.360 --> 02:03:44.840
Carry on,

02:03:45.000 --> 02:03:45.060
please.

02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:47.960
Alright.

02:03:48.580 --> 02:03:51.280
Is that like an outtake from A Few Good Men?

02:03:52.520 --> 02:03:52.880
Nice.

02:03:53.360 --> 02:03:53.720
So,

02:03:53.900 --> 02:03:57.000
I have wrestled with this idea,

02:03:57.160 --> 02:03:58.320
because we've had some time off.

02:03:59.640 --> 02:03:59.820
Yeah.

02:04:00.480 --> 02:04:02.580
I mean, I literally could have changed this like four times.

02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:04.000
That's how much time off we have. True,

02:04:04.180 --> 02:04:04.340
true.

02:04:04.500 --> 02:04:07.980
But I stuck with it, and I don't know why I came up with this idea. But anyway,

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The original idea,

02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:10.960
as George has described it,

02:04:11.140 --> 02:04:15.180
were to be having somebody present a case,

02:04:15.360 --> 02:04:17.960
or two people presenting opposite sides of a case.

02:04:18.280 --> 02:04:20.480
There would be a jury,

02:04:20.820 --> 02:04:21.220
per se,

02:04:21.440 --> 02:04:23.640
that would, you know, have to be swayed,

02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:24.740
you know, in either direction,

02:04:24.980 --> 02:04:27.060
and then there would be the judge or the moderator in it.

02:04:27.260 --> 02:04:30.360
And I get that. But I wasn't grasping the concept of that.

02:04:30.820 --> 02:04:33.100
I certainly wasn't grasping how we could do it.

02:04:33.580 --> 02:04:35.400
Because when I got this,

02:04:35.780 --> 02:04:38.100
we didn't have anything

02:04:38.120 --> 02:04:45.020
where we could have opposing sides and then having everyone in a defined role.

02:04:45.480 --> 02:04:48.940
And so I came up with a slightly different way of doing this.

02:04:49.920 --> 02:04:53.760
And seeing as we lost two people for the podcast,

02:04:54.360 --> 02:05:01.660
I've kind of redefined it a little more since Will and Jay had to do something.

02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:03.320
Now,

02:05:03.470 --> 02:05:04.980
I have stuck with the same album.

02:05:05.880 --> 02:05:08.020
The idea is to pick something.

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that can be argued in either direction.

02:05:10.690 --> 02:05:14.980
And it could be anything in our little world of metal.

02:05:15.580 --> 02:05:19.840
And I went with an album that is quite polarizing for fans.

02:05:20.260 --> 02:05:21.100
And I stuck with it.

02:05:21.280 --> 02:05:24.160
And every time I listened, I was like, why did I do this?

02:05:25.180 --> 02:05:27.660
Because I like this album,

02:05:27.820 --> 02:05:29.660
but I don't know if anyone else is going to like it.

02:05:30.420 --> 02:05:32.040
And since there's only four of us,

02:05:33.060 --> 02:05:37.720
and George brought up a good point, we may have lost somebody who could have been a supporter of the album,

02:05:38.740 --> 02:05:42.060
and lost a person who could have treated it like the Black Album.

02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:44.000
I'm not saying who's who.

02:05:44.450 --> 02:05:45.640
You can do them out. But you know.

02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:47.620
If you know,

02:05:47.930 --> 02:05:50.120
you know. If you listen to one episode of this podcast,

02:05:50.330 --> 02:05:50.560
you know.

02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:51.140
Yeah.

02:05:51.340 --> 02:05:52.480
If you listen to five minutes,

02:05:52.740 --> 02:05:53.040
you'd know.

02:05:54.460 --> 02:05:57.640
And that's not a knock at all. It would actually give us balance,

02:05:58.050 --> 02:05:58.300
you know.

02:05:58.660 --> 02:05:59.460
So anyway,

02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:03.640
it's ended up where I'm going to talk about this album.

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I'm going to kind of give just a very brief history. You can go out and,

02:06:07.820 --> 02:06:10.000
Use Your Google Machine to get this information.

02:06:10.420 --> 02:06:12.340
I don't need to go into that much detail,

02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:15.820
but talk about why the album was kind of nixed.

02:06:16.460 --> 02:06:19.620
I was going to talk about some negatives on the album,

02:06:19.780 --> 02:06:21.460
things that I think are positives,

02:06:21.900 --> 02:06:27.460
things I think could have made the album better, and then just kind of finish off with why I think you should like this album.

02:06:27.780 --> 02:06:29.260
If you guys like it, great.

02:06:29.460 --> 02:06:30.700
If you don't, that's okay,

02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:30.980
too.

02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:33.040
It's a polarizing album.

02:06:34.080 --> 02:06:36.240
But I have a newfound appreciation for it.

02:06:36.400 --> 02:06:37.420
I've spun it a lot.

02:06:37.460 --> 02:06:38.800
in preparation for this.

02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:44.420
It's not a perfect album. It's not even remotely close to being a great album.

02:06:45.200 --> 02:06:54.640
But I think it's pretty good if you dig in the weeds enough with it and you spend time with it. It's definitely an album that you have to give time to because on first listen you're like, nope.

02:06:55.340 --> 02:06:58.660
But then after a while it kind of grew on me a lot.

02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:02.660
I will say that the reason why I like this album is because of a live album.

02:07:03.020 --> 02:07:06.180
I listened to the songs there first before I listened to the album.

02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:08.960
And that does sway how I feel about it.

02:07:09.490 --> 02:07:10.020
To some degree.

02:07:10.980 --> 02:07:12.840
All right. So let's not waste any time.

02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:16.200
The album I went with.

02:07:17.020 --> 02:07:18.580
And I apologize in advance.

02:07:19.060 --> 02:07:21.020
Sorry if I made you guys suffer through this.

02:07:21.520 --> 02:07:22.760
Is Judas Priest.

02:07:24.200 --> 02:07:24.700
Jugulator.

02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:25.720
From 1997.

02:07:26.820 --> 02:07:27.580
First off.

02:07:28.130 --> 02:07:28.800
I love that name.

02:07:29.740 --> 02:07:30.260
Jugulator.

02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:33.100
It's so Priest.

02:07:33.600 --> 02:07:34.560
Let's be honest.

02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:36.400
All right.

02:07:36.620 --> 02:07:38.820
So this album was released October 16th,

02:07:39.100 --> 02:07:41.280
1997. It was recorded 96-97.

02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:45.960
What is it in terms of style?

02:07:46.340 --> 02:07:48.000
It's heavy metal.

02:07:48.220 --> 02:07:48.900
It's priest metal,

02:07:49.240 --> 02:07:50.600
but it's a lot of groove metal.

02:07:51.420 --> 02:07:56.520
And it's got a little bit of thrash, I think, thrown in there, mixed in. Not tradition. It's just a little bit.

02:07:57.040 --> 02:08:01.140
It is the first album without Rob Halford and Judas Priest.

02:08:01.580 --> 02:08:04.760
Right there, that's a no-go for probably 80% of Priest fans.

02:08:06.640 --> 02:08:10.360
with their only two-album run with Tim Ripper Owens.

02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:13.360
Does this sound like another band we know?

02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:15.580
Iron Maiden?

02:08:15.980 --> 02:08:16.260
Yeah.

02:08:16.780 --> 02:08:17.260
Oh,

02:08:17.420 --> 02:08:17.880
it's weird?

02:08:18.500 --> 02:08:19.520
In the 90s,

02:08:19.700 --> 02:08:19.800
too,

02:08:19.980 --> 02:08:20.120
right?

02:08:20.360 --> 02:08:20.820
Yeah.

02:08:21.040 --> 02:08:22.080
That's strange.

02:08:22.460 --> 02:08:23.640
And a two-album run?

02:08:24.060 --> 02:08:24.540
Weird.

02:08:24.800 --> 02:08:26.240
Well, they were such rivals,

02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:31.380
you know. As soon as one guy lost their main singer, the other band was like, well, we gotta lose our singer,

02:08:31.640 --> 02:08:31.780
too.

02:08:32.060 --> 02:08:34.920
Well, you gotta go. Go do a solo career and then come back.

02:08:36.640 --> 02:08:38.880
Very odd how that played out for both bands.

02:08:40.340 --> 02:08:43.320
It's the first album since Painkiller, which came out in 1990.

02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:44.640
So right off the bat,

02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:49.520
those are strikes against this album before people have probably even listened to it.

02:08:50.280 --> 02:08:54.440
And it did take a long time for this album to come out. I think the band, from what I've read,

02:08:55.320 --> 02:08:58.920
were in a difficult place because it was a huge transition.

02:08:59.180 --> 02:09:00.960
The metal scene completely transformed.

02:09:01.380 --> 02:09:02.260
It was different.

02:09:02.900 --> 02:09:06.300
What it was in 1990 and what it was in 96 when they started recording,

02:09:07.260 --> 02:09:11.060
Maybe three completely different worlds in between that of what had changed.

02:09:11.660 --> 02:09:12.820
You know, grunge had taken over.

02:09:13.980 --> 02:09:16.460
The metal we love was underground at that point.

02:09:16.620 --> 02:09:17.720
Now it's above ground.

02:09:17.960 --> 02:09:18.760
You know, I can breathe.

02:09:19.580 --> 02:09:22.180
Now that grunge has all but disappeared.

02:09:23.120 --> 02:09:24.400
But it just was a different time.

02:09:26.480 --> 02:09:30.200
So here's some of the things that people nixed on it right off the bat.

02:09:30.360 --> 02:09:31.200
No, Rob Halford,

02:09:31.380 --> 02:09:32.600
again. That was the first thing.

02:09:32.860 --> 02:09:33.920
That's a non-starter.

02:09:34.720 --> 02:09:36.580
A little bit too much like Pantera.

02:09:38.040 --> 02:09:39.100
I can see that.

02:09:39.620 --> 02:09:42.360
There's a lot of that kind of groove, that kind of guitar sound.

02:09:43.500 --> 02:09:43.860
Down tuned,

02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:44.860
right?

02:09:45.820 --> 02:09:47.740
Too dark for a pre-style.

02:09:48.040 --> 02:09:49.420
It's too heavy and aggressive.

02:09:49.820 --> 02:09:50.920
There's no melody on it.

02:09:52.140 --> 02:09:53.120
Okay, you're right.

02:09:54.040 --> 02:09:54.180
Yes.

02:09:55.420 --> 02:09:56.680
Their lyrical content,

02:09:56.840 --> 02:09:57.520
let's be honest,

02:09:57.740 --> 02:09:59.280
it's not that great.

02:09:59.580 --> 02:10:00.760
Want some wine with that?

02:10:01.740 --> 02:10:02.220
Yeah.

02:10:02.460 --> 02:10:04.060
I mean, I would say it's fucking terrible.

02:10:04.340 --> 02:10:04.760
Yeah.

02:10:05.700 --> 02:10:06.600
And it's not

02:10:06.620 --> 02:10:09.100
It's not like Priest has ever had great lyrics to begin with.

02:10:11.100 --> 02:10:12.040
No, that is true.

02:10:13.700 --> 02:10:15.000
So they're just amping it up.

02:10:16.260 --> 02:10:17.820
And the new logo is kind of, eh.

02:10:18.040 --> 02:10:20.060
You know, when I look at it, sometimes I'm like, I don't like it.

02:10:20.090 --> 02:10:21.020
Other times I like it.

02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:22.980
And other times I'm like, eh, it's all right.

02:10:23.140 --> 02:10:27.160
It's got similarities to the previous one, but it's also a little different.

02:10:28.320 --> 02:10:29.040
The truth is,

02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:30.620
Jugulator's not a great album.

02:10:31.140 --> 02:10:31.880
It really isn't.

02:10:32.360 --> 02:10:33.340
But I think it's a pretty good album.

02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:34.800
And it's got its moments.

02:10:35.480 --> 02:10:37.020
It's got its downturns also.

02:10:37.300 --> 02:10:38.260
There's no doubt about that.

02:10:38.710 --> 02:10:40.780
But given the situation where they were at the time,

02:10:41.020 --> 02:10:42.620
you know what?

02:10:43.400 --> 02:10:45.280
I have some reasons why I like this album.

02:10:46.320 --> 02:10:48.120
But I'm going to start with the negatives first.

02:10:49.440 --> 02:10:50.440
And I agree with most of these.

02:10:50.730 --> 02:10:51.180
I really do.

02:10:51.360 --> 02:10:52.900
It is too groove metal oriented.

02:10:53.200 --> 02:10:54.420
There's no doubt about that.

02:10:54.600 --> 02:10:56.340
Not that I dislike groove metal,

02:10:56.560 --> 02:11:02.540
but it's a big change from Painkiller to this in terms of that style.

02:11:02.860 --> 02:11:05.440
You went from Fast Blast Beat

02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:08.900
to kind of slow,

02:11:09.840 --> 02:11:11.100
more meandering riffs.

02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:13.140
The riffs are heavier and darker.

02:11:13.320 --> 02:11:14.300
There's no doubt about that.

02:11:14.820 --> 02:11:15.380
But they're not.

02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:16.860
The punch is different.

02:11:17.020 --> 02:11:18.920
It's a slow grind on some of these songs.

02:11:19.340 --> 02:11:20.820
That would have been a good song title.

02:11:22.160 --> 02:11:23.360
Slow Grind.

02:11:24.820 --> 02:11:28.340
Well, it's also a triple A. It's a triple X rated movie,

02:11:28.540 --> 02:11:28.620
too.

02:11:30.120 --> 02:11:30.600
Oh,

02:11:31.140 --> 02:11:31.300
wait.

02:11:31.460 --> 02:11:31.900
Wrong podcast.

02:11:32.380 --> 02:11:32.840
All right.

02:11:35.480 --> 02:11:36.120
Lyrical Content?

02:11:38.040 --> 02:11:38.480
No.

02:11:39.020 --> 02:11:39.940
On a few songs,

02:11:40.100 --> 02:11:40.380
it's cool.

02:11:41.130 --> 02:11:41.380
All right?

02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:42.980
But on all of them?

02:11:44.220 --> 02:11:44.660
No.

02:11:45.290 --> 02:11:46.080
I mean, let's be honest.

02:11:46.860 --> 02:11:50.000
You get the gist when you have song titles like Bloodstained,

02:11:50.220 --> 02:11:51.740
Dead Meat,

02:11:53.100 --> 02:11:53.600
Death Row,

02:11:54.820 --> 02:11:55.440
Decapitate,

02:11:56.160 --> 02:11:56.640
Brain Dead.

02:11:58.460 --> 02:11:59.080
All right.

02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:01.200
Okay,

02:12:01.360 --> 02:12:01.480
guys.

02:12:01.900 --> 02:12:02.680
Enough said.

02:12:03.110 --> 02:12:03.560
Enough said.

02:12:04.380 --> 02:12:04.820
Again.

02:12:05.460 --> 02:12:06.480
If it's a few songs,

02:12:07.020 --> 02:12:07.360
that's cool.

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:08.940
Yeah, I like it.

02:12:09.100 --> 02:12:09.400
That's great.

02:12:09.880 --> 02:12:10.200
On everyone.

02:12:11.660 --> 02:12:15.680
And I heard some songs, I think, because some songs I think are actually musically very good.

02:12:15.880 --> 02:12:16.600
But whatever.

02:12:16.900 --> 02:12:18.740
It's a little too mid-paced, I think, the album.

02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:24.020
I agree with that. There's not enough up-tempo. There's no Electric Eye in this album. There's no Free Will Bernie. There's no Painkiller.

02:12:24.220 --> 02:12:24.900
There just isn't.

02:12:25.660 --> 02:12:27.100
Speaking of Electric Eye, sorry,

02:12:27.260 --> 02:12:27.820
sidetrack.

02:12:29.760 --> 02:12:33.800
Sitting in front of the TV the other day watching one of the Major League Baseball playoff games.

02:12:34.420 --> 02:12:39.260
And Barb comes in and is like, is there a Judas Priest song, something about an

02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:40.360
Hellion,

02:12:41.200 --> 02:12:41.920
something with an I?

02:12:42.780 --> 02:12:44.100
And I was like, yes.

02:12:44.640 --> 02:12:45.080
Yes,

02:12:45.580 --> 02:12:47.040
there's Hellion, electric I.

02:12:47.660 --> 02:12:49.380
And she's like, yeah, I heard it on the radio.

02:12:50.460 --> 02:13:01.600
Because for whatever reason, she has Boneyard pre-programmed in her XM as one of her channels. And so she hears things that she'll be out shopping or something and she'll frequently text me,

02:13:01.780 --> 02:13:03.480
you know, I heard this song.

02:13:03.540 --> 02:13:05.940
You know this song? I'm like, of course I know that song.

02:13:06.630 --> 02:13:06.940
But anyway,

02:13:08.100 --> 02:13:09.800
so I was trying to convince her that yes,

02:13:10.020 --> 02:13:12.040
Electric Eye is the name of this song, and I played it for her,

02:13:12.050 --> 02:13:13.120
and she was like, yeah!

02:13:15.060 --> 02:13:15.980
So, go borrow.

02:13:16.110 --> 02:13:16.860
Wait, did she like it?

02:13:17.300 --> 02:13:18.000
Yeah, she thought it was cool.

02:13:18.540 --> 02:13:18.700
Oh,

02:13:18.900 --> 02:13:19.600
cool.

02:13:20.260 --> 02:13:21.840
Anyway, sorry to interrupt once again.

02:13:22.080 --> 02:13:22.600
That's fine.

02:13:23.200 --> 02:13:23.760
It's never,

02:13:23.940 --> 02:13:25.240
ever a bad thing to say.

02:13:25.240 --> 02:13:26.500
We're holding you in contempt, George.

02:13:27.060 --> 02:13:27.160
Yeah.

02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:28.880
Continue,

02:13:29.320 --> 02:13:29.520
counselor.

02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:31.140
One more word out of you,

02:13:31.340 --> 02:13:32.080
and you're out of here.

02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:33.900
All right.

02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:36.420
I'm almost done with the negatives. I'm moving on.

02:13:36.700 --> 02:13:42.340
I mentioned this earlier, and I'll just kind of reiterate it. It is too mid-pasty, I think.

02:13:42.720 --> 02:13:44.760
I think it kind of chugs a little too much.

02:13:45.820 --> 02:13:48.300
Like I said, not enough of that upbeat.

02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:54.160
It suffers from post-fear of the dark maiden-isms.

02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:57.260
There's a lot of slow intros.

02:13:57.980 --> 02:14:00.980
Now, they're not eight minutes long like Maiden.

02:14:01.780 --> 02:14:02.080
You know,

02:14:02.380 --> 02:14:03.380
every intro is like, oh,

02:14:03.740 --> 02:14:04.940
God, I got it. You love Prague,

02:14:05.180 --> 02:14:06.440
so do I, but let's get to the song.

02:14:07.560 --> 02:14:11.620
They're a little shorter, but still, every song, you're kind of like, all right, really?

02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:13.400
The album's 58 minutes long,

02:14:13.660 --> 02:14:13.780
man.

02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:14.400
Yeah,

02:14:14.600 --> 02:14:17.500
I'd kill you to throw a drum solo intro like Painkiller in here somewhere,

02:14:18.180 --> 02:14:18.400
you know?

02:14:19.880 --> 02:14:22.700
There's also too many auto samples to start the songs.

02:14:24.280 --> 02:14:25.060
One or two?

02:14:25.240 --> 02:14:26.100
Okay, that's cool.

02:14:27.360 --> 02:14:27.760
Eight?

02:14:28.820 --> 02:14:29.220
Again,

02:14:29.540 --> 02:14:30.700
a little too much.

02:14:30.900 --> 02:14:31.700
You're trying a little too hard.

02:14:32.340 --> 02:14:35.680
And I think the vocal effects are too much on the album.

02:14:36.140 --> 02:14:37.540
I think it takes away.

02:14:38.440 --> 02:14:41.920
Ripper Owens, whether you like it or not, he can sing. There's no doubt about that.

02:14:42.800 --> 02:14:45.660
But sometimes I feel like they kind of see,

02:14:45.860 --> 02:14:56.020
I don't know the right words I want to say here. His voice just feels like it's getting processed too much in certain parts. And I want to hear him. I don't want to hear a board that somebody's twisted knobs on.

02:14:56.260 --> 02:15:00.260
So those are my negatives on this. Now I'm going to start giving you the pause.

02:15:00.480 --> 02:15:00.620
Yeah.

02:15:01.080 --> 02:15:01.800
Those knobs,

02:15:01.950 --> 02:15:03.620
I don't mind you twisting,

02:15:03.880 --> 02:15:03.980
George.

02:15:05.160 --> 02:15:06.420
We won't go into anything.

02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:08.640
George loves twisting knobs.

02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:10.640
Just think of Devin Townsend.

02:15:11.590 --> 02:15:17.140
If you know what that means, you know. All right, so I'm going to give you the positives real quick because I want to get to what you guys have to say.

02:15:17.480 --> 02:15:23.080
All right, here's what I think is good about this album. It is heavy as fuck for a Priest album.

02:15:23.310 --> 02:15:26.460
And that's saying something with Painkiller before that. I like that.

02:15:26.620 --> 02:15:29.180
I like that they did that. I like that they decided,

02:15:29.340 --> 02:15:30.040
you know what?

02:15:30.520 --> 02:15:31.740
Let's just amp it up.

02:15:32.240 --> 02:15:32.800
All right.

02:15:33.400 --> 02:15:38.060
Yeah, I could have used a little more melodic aspect to it, but I love that this is heavy.

02:15:38.940 --> 02:15:43.300
Because I'm going to go back now and listen to fucking Point of Entry and be like, this is pop rock,

02:15:44.020 --> 02:15:46.560
you know, which it sort of was,

02:15:46.980 --> 02:15:47.900
you know, but nonetheless.

02:15:48.820 --> 02:15:50.900
And I think this change is gutsy. Let's be honest.

02:15:51.380 --> 02:15:52.700
You're messing with a model.

02:15:53.660 --> 02:15:54.900
I mean, they did this with Turbo.

02:15:55.540 --> 02:15:57.140
They messed with the model there.

02:15:57.860 --> 02:15:59.020
They had something good going.

02:15:59.240 --> 02:16:00.480
And I'm sorry, I'm just going to always

02:16:00.500 --> 02:16:02.260
I know people like it but

02:16:02.720 --> 02:16:05.440
it just went from Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders to Turbo.

02:16:05.860 --> 02:16:05.980
Really?

02:16:07.500 --> 02:16:10.980
To me this was a gutsy move because you knew it was going to piss a lot of fans off.

02:16:11.100 --> 02:16:11.940
Boy it did.

02:16:12.220 --> 02:16:14.820
Now I'm glad they didn't try to do Painkiller 2.0.

02:16:16.020 --> 02:16:16.200
Really?

02:16:16.360 --> 02:16:20.080
That's kind of playing it safe. It's like oh let's just play off of what the last album was.

02:16:20.620 --> 02:16:26.500
And I'm glad they didn't try to do one of their kind of traditional radio friendly type priest albums.

02:16:26.700 --> 02:16:28.040
Which all started with British Steel.

02:16:28.860 --> 02:16:30.120
Those are all great albums,

02:16:30.420 --> 02:16:31.940
those early 80 albums,

02:16:32.219 --> 02:16:35.240
but there's a little bit of radio friendliness to them also.

02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:36.139
Let's be honest.

02:16:36.320 --> 02:16:37.920
Do we need to hear You Really Got Me?

02:16:38.080 --> 02:16:39.000
or You Got Nothing Coming?

02:16:39.500 --> 02:16:39.620
Again?

02:16:41.179 --> 02:16:43.000
Yeah, it's cool when you hear it, but nonetheless.

02:16:43.340 --> 02:16:48.240
So I like that they did that. I like that the album's dark. I like that it's brutal and it's menacing.

02:16:48.980 --> 02:16:52.960
I don't need to have Breaking the Law rehashed because to me that's just basically,

02:16:53.160 --> 02:16:55.860
well, we don't know what to do, so we're just going to rehash our past.

02:16:56.120 --> 02:16:57.360
So those things I kind of liked.

02:16:58.040 --> 02:16:59.460
I don't mind Ripper Owens.

02:17:00.650 --> 02:17:07.880
I just don't. I know I've read that people say he screams too much on the album. I just went back and listened to the remastered remix of Sad Wings of Destiny.

02:17:08.280 --> 02:17:09.139
Holy smokes,

02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:11.380
are there some screams on there from Rob Halford.

02:17:11.639 --> 02:17:16.380
I was like, where did that come from? I didn't hear that the first time or the first 80 times I listened to that album.

02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:17.960
So I don't mind him.

02:17:18.370 --> 02:17:18.980
And to be honest,

02:17:19.790 --> 02:17:22.260
a positive here is that he's close to Rob Halford.

02:17:23.480 --> 02:17:24.960
It's not a huge shift.

02:17:25.160 --> 02:17:27.800
Let's be honest, you heard Ozzy and all of a sudden you get Dio.

02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:28.740
What happened here?

02:17:29.130 --> 02:17:30.160
Is this the same band?

02:17:30.500 --> 02:17:33.160
That was a huge change when that happened for them.

02:17:33.660 --> 02:17:35.059
And same for Maiden. Let's be honest.

02:17:35.210 --> 02:17:36.160
Paul DeAnno to,

02:17:36.360 --> 02:17:37.139
or Paul,

02:17:37.320 --> 02:17:38.019
God, I was,

02:17:38.260 --> 02:17:39.200
get his name wrong,

02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:41.719
I guess. I can't remember. You're talking about Blaze?

02:17:42.740 --> 02:17:43.179
No,

02:17:43.790 --> 02:17:44.420
to, and to Bruce.

02:17:44.730 --> 02:17:49.840
I mean, that's a huge change from a fragile voice to this operatic power.

02:17:50.540 --> 02:17:52.280
And even to Blaze then too, for that matter.

02:17:52.519 --> 02:17:53.960
And then again, back to Bruce.

02:17:54.400 --> 02:17:57.940
So at least Priest kept it within the vocal style.

02:17:58.019 --> 02:17:59.240
that they'd always had.

02:18:00.179 --> 02:18:01.860
And so he could still sing

02:18:02.160 --> 02:18:04.500
pre-songs, and you're like, I can still hear it.

02:18:04.860 --> 02:18:06.080
It's not like you're hearing...

02:18:06.219 --> 02:18:08.540
And I've never been a fan of Dio singing Ozzy stuff.

02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:12.500
I certainly would never want to hear Ozzy singing Dio stuff.

02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:13.840
Not in a million years.

02:18:14.740 --> 02:18:18.120
Only because I identify with the songs as they were originally sung.

02:18:18.320 --> 02:18:18.639
That's all.

02:18:20.000 --> 02:18:21.599
I do think there's good songs on the album.

02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:24.760
Bloodstained is awesome, especially the live version.

02:18:25.219 --> 02:18:28.219
When you hear the crowd singing with them, I think that's great.

02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:29.880
Burn in Hell is a cool tune.

02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:32.179
It's a little bit of a slow burn,

02:18:33.139 --> 02:18:36.000
but it's different than the other slow burns on the album.

02:18:36.880 --> 02:18:38.440
I dig Abductors.

02:18:38.820 --> 02:18:46.800
Abductors kind of reminds me of A Touch of Evil a little bit. It doesn't sound like it off of Panko, but it has that kind of vibe to it. It's a slower paced song.

02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:53.500
And it's kind of cool on the live album. It says, if you believe in other worldly stuff, did you believe in Abductors?

02:18:53.740 --> 02:18:55.179
And it's like, okay, that's kind of cool.

02:18:56.479 --> 02:19:05.860
And then there is probably the best song Priest has done post-Painkiller all the way to the last two albums.

02:19:06.460 --> 02:19:10.880
I don't know. I'll fight anyone on this. Cathedral Spires is the best song they wrote during that period.

02:19:11.160 --> 02:19:12.300
I think it's a great song.

02:19:12.889 --> 02:19:17.500
And I know I'm not the only one who feels this way because that's saving grace for this album for a lot of people.

02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:19.139
I just think it's awesome.

02:19:19.440 --> 02:19:23.780
And it doesn't sound anything like the rest of the album. It doesn't sound anything like Priest has ever done before,

02:19:24.120 --> 02:19:25.179
which is kind of cool.

02:19:25.219 --> 02:19:27.340
And it's kind of proggy for Priest,

02:19:27.500 --> 02:19:31.019
which they hadn't done since the mid, you know,

02:19:31.660 --> 02:19:32.200
late 70s,

02:19:32.469 --> 02:19:33.280
all the way back to them.

02:19:33.940 --> 02:19:35.719
Other songs like Jugular, the opener,

02:19:35.980 --> 02:19:37.740
it could be better, but I think it's a pretty good song.

02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:39.400
I think Bull Train's all right.

02:19:40.099 --> 02:19:42.099
There's the D and B songs,

02:19:42.360 --> 02:19:43.880
the Dead Meat,

02:19:44.490 --> 02:19:45.120
the Death Row,

02:19:45.480 --> 02:19:46.460
Decapitate and Rain Dead.

02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:48.179
I didn't notice that.

02:19:49.420 --> 02:19:50.840
They're all Ds or Bs.

02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:53.060
A, B, C, or D, and then J.

02:19:53.700 --> 02:19:54.140
Yeah.

02:19:55.220 --> 02:19:55.920
Yeah,

02:19:56.620 --> 02:19:56.740
exactly.

02:19:57.480 --> 02:20:00.440
Now, I will say, some of the music from those songs, I think, is kind of good,

02:20:01.060 --> 02:20:03.700
but the lyrics are just... All right.

02:20:04.080 --> 02:20:04.300
Okay.

02:20:04.880 --> 02:20:06.400
And the most important thing,

02:20:06.640 --> 02:20:08.580
and it wouldn't be a Judas Priest conversation,

02:20:08.860 --> 02:20:11.100
let me mention Scott Travis is the drummer on this album,

02:20:11.360 --> 02:20:14.860
just so everybody knows. You know he's been in the band for 36 years now.

02:20:15.020 --> 02:20:15.260
Really?

02:20:15.980 --> 02:20:16.380
Yeah.

02:20:16.780 --> 02:20:17.560
He really has.

02:20:18.820 --> 02:20:19.440
Time flies.

02:20:20.080 --> 02:20:20.480
All right.

02:20:20.720 --> 02:20:21.120
So,

02:20:21.280 --> 02:20:23.000
real quick, what would have made the album better?

02:20:23.160 --> 02:20:25.020
Well, first off, they should have used the original cover.

02:20:25.080 --> 02:20:25.660
the full cover.

02:20:26.080 --> 02:20:27.120
Has anyone seen that full cover?

02:20:27.460 --> 02:20:27.820
Yes.

02:20:28.020 --> 02:20:28.740
It's way better.

02:20:29.720 --> 02:20:31.360
That might be one of their better covers.

02:20:31.980 --> 02:20:33.900
They destroyed it by cropping it.

02:20:34.400 --> 02:20:36.300
And it's blurred a little bit, too.

02:20:36.450 --> 02:20:36.860
And I'm like,

02:20:37.470 --> 02:20:38.720
the full cover, it's crisp.

02:20:39.360 --> 02:20:40.560
It's just coming out of lava.

02:20:40.860 --> 02:20:45.160
He's burning up and he's getting ready to just slash your throat. You're like, dude, I'm in. Let's go.

02:20:45.940 --> 02:20:47.060
So that's the first thing.

02:20:47.410 --> 02:20:49.680
I feel like the live version production,

02:20:50.140 --> 02:20:53.600
had they had the production like that on the album, it would sound better.

02:20:53.840 --> 02:20:54.900
Less processed.

02:20:55.060 --> 02:21:03.800
It just sounds better. And I think that that really would have made it incredibly more well-received, I should say.

02:21:04.040 --> 02:21:07.420
I almost misspoke about the album. It's not that incredible.

02:21:08.740 --> 02:21:13.020
But I feel like songs like Bloodstained, as much as I love that song on the album, would be even better,

02:21:13.230 --> 02:21:14.620
and I think it'd be better received.

02:21:16.020 --> 02:21:19.940
It'd be nice if they did get rid of those vocal effects,

02:21:20.140 --> 02:21:23.340
the lengthy intros and auto-samples. If they pared that down, I think it would have helped.

02:21:23.540 --> 02:21:25.040
And quite frankly, the biggest

02:21:25.120 --> 02:21:29.960
thing that would help this album is if Rob Halford would actually sing some of these songs live.

02:21:30.620 --> 02:21:31.120
I mean,

02:21:31.320 --> 02:21:31.660
Bruce does.

02:21:32.170 --> 02:21:35.180
They pick up once in a while, they'll play a song from the two Blazor albums.

02:21:35.340 --> 02:21:36.180
Like the Klansman.

02:21:36.900 --> 02:21:37.260
Yes.

02:21:37.880 --> 02:21:38.040
You know,

02:21:38.340 --> 02:21:39.820
they'll do, I think they've done Sign of the Cross.

02:21:40.350 --> 02:21:42.120
I think we saw it, Georgina. I saw Sign of the Cross.

02:21:42.340 --> 02:21:42.860
It was awesome.

02:21:43.700 --> 02:21:45.220
You know, and I've seen the Klansman a couple times.

02:21:45.420 --> 02:21:45.920
They're great.

02:21:46.430 --> 02:21:48.520
It wouldn't kill Priest to have played a couple of these songs.

02:21:48.880 --> 02:21:53.560
It might have given the album more legitimacy by not playing it. It acted like this wasn't part of their history.

02:21:53.780 --> 02:21:54.140
Right,

02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:54.540
right.

02:21:54.600 --> 02:21:56.920
And that's the part I don't like. It's got the name on it.

02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:00.420
It's got the name on it.

02:22:01.180 --> 02:22:03.140
At least pretend it exists.

02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:06.100
So at least do that.

02:22:06.260 --> 02:22:08.980
I mean, can you imagine Halford singing on Cathedral Spires?

02:22:09.500 --> 02:22:11.000
I mean, that'd be incredible, I think.

02:22:11.740 --> 02:22:15.100
He said, oh, I wouldn't mind doing it, but he's never done it. So anyway,

02:22:15.780 --> 02:22:21.380
so I'll finish this off by saying, I do think if you're a Priest fan, it's worth your time to listen, at least to give it a try.

02:22:21.760 --> 02:22:24.220
I think you'd be surprised what you might find on this album.

02:22:25.080 --> 02:22:26.820
Again, it's not perfect by any means,

02:22:26.980 --> 02:22:31.780
but there are some really good songs on it, I think. And if you give them a chance to develop,

02:22:31.960 --> 02:22:34.580
you know, listening-wise, I think you'd be surprised.

02:22:35.500 --> 02:22:37.700
It could have released Painkiller 2, like I said earlier,

02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.140
but that would have been just phoning it in as far as I'm concerned.

02:22:40.500 --> 02:22:44.480
They're not... Them trying to do something different to me is what attracted me to the album.

02:22:46.080 --> 02:22:47.620
Like I said, I thought it was gutsy.

02:22:48.150 --> 02:22:51.600
So the thing that's different here is that it's just different.

02:22:52.460 --> 02:22:53.620
That's what makes this album,

02:22:53.820 --> 02:22:54.100
I think,

02:22:56.659 --> 02:22:58.280
It's not radio-friendly.

02:22:58.800 --> 02:22:59.700
It just isn't.

02:22:59.920 --> 02:23:01.740
But that's what I think makes it great.

02:23:01.920 --> 02:23:03.860
Or not great. Makes it worth your time,

02:23:04.080 --> 02:23:04.640
I should say.

02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:07.400
And I will just say,

02:23:08.120 --> 02:23:08.400
right now,

02:23:08.680 --> 02:23:10.240
it's not demolition.

02:23:10.680 --> 02:23:12.040
That album does stink.

02:23:14.820 --> 02:23:17.660
All right. I went on way too long. More than I thought I would,

02:23:17.840 --> 02:23:19.720
but... Hey, at least you did your homework.

02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:22.620
Unlike some people. John Russ's case.

02:23:24.620 --> 02:23:24.920
Now,

02:23:25.120 --> 02:23:28.400
I don't expect that I'm going to sway many people.

02:23:28.800 --> 02:23:28.980
I know,

02:23:29.180 --> 02:23:34.580
George, I think you've said that you liked it at the time, but you don't remember as much as you might.

02:23:36.320 --> 02:23:37.260
What do you guys got?

02:23:38.140 --> 02:23:39.260
Mark, we'll start with you.

02:23:39.800 --> 02:23:40.440
Oh, sure.

02:23:40.660 --> 02:23:42.260
I mean, I did plus and minuses.

02:23:43.020 --> 02:23:45.040
So I went through it because,

02:23:45.840 --> 02:23:48.660
you know, I am not a huge priest fan.

02:23:50.160 --> 02:23:53.880
So I don't really listen to priests all that often.

02:23:55.199 --> 02:23:57.180
With the exception of Sad Wings,

02:23:57.340 --> 02:24:02.220
which now I have to listen to the new version because you just told me about that at the beginning of this cast.

02:24:02.980 --> 02:24:03.460
So,

02:24:04.100 --> 02:24:10.940
you know, I listen to it and a lot of the stuff that you said I agree with. So I'll start with the positives for me.

02:24:13.360 --> 02:24:14.400
Heavier and darker.

02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:17.520
I loved that part of it.

02:24:17.980 --> 02:24:20.500
I've always wanted that from Priests.

02:24:21.560 --> 02:24:23.600
I've said this before. I know you guys don't agree.

02:24:23.840 --> 02:24:24.580
They're too party-mobody.

02:24:24.740 --> 02:24:25.080
for me.

02:24:26.360 --> 02:24:29.160
And that's why I don't really respond to Priest as much.

02:24:30.300 --> 02:24:32.960
But I like this because it felt very heavy.

02:24:33.680 --> 02:24:39.380
I think people talk about it being the band's worst record.

02:24:40.420 --> 02:24:43.280
But as someone who is not a big Priest fan,

02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:44.840
honestly,

02:24:45.260 --> 02:24:50.040
I think it's pretty much on par with everything else except Sad Wings.

02:24:50.580 --> 02:24:54.560
So I don't really have an issue with it like other people.

02:24:54.660 --> 02:24:54.900
people do.

02:24:56.680 --> 02:24:56.840
However,

02:24:57.270 --> 02:24:59.480
and those are my the positive things,

02:24:59.730 --> 02:25:01.680
you know, I think it's unfairly judged.

02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:08.300
I don't really see it as being that much like the worst thing they've ever done.

02:25:10.300 --> 02:25:11.360
But for me,

02:25:12.050 --> 02:25:14.140
I just don't like Ripper's vocals.

02:25:15.370 --> 02:25:15.700
You know,

02:25:15.900 --> 02:25:19.260
there's too many shrieks. There's this weird talky singing that he does.

02:25:20.060 --> 02:25:24.540
There's quite a bit of Elaine Staley and James Hetfield imitation on those.

02:25:24.620 --> 02:25:27.640
those songs and I don't like that as much.

02:25:27.980 --> 02:25:34.780
I like those singers but I don't like the imitation of those singers on the record.

02:25:36.590 --> 02:25:37.840
And that's something I don't think you mentioned,

02:25:38.040 --> 02:25:38.180
John.

02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:47.660
The other thing you did mention was the groove metal kind of industrial wave that happened in the late 90s.

02:25:48.040 --> 02:25:54.580
I really wasn't into that that much and we do get that groove part on the record so I don't really respond to that.

02:25:54.620 --> 02:25:55.260
that as much.

02:25:57.190 --> 02:25:58.900
The lyrics are super bad.

02:25:59.160 --> 02:26:00.760
You've mentioned that a number of times.

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I don't think Rob Halford is a particularly good lyricist,

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but he's a poet compared to the lyrics on this,

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which were penned by Glenn Tipton,

02:26:12.540 --> 02:26:14.120
you know, not Ripper.

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And they're truly awful.

02:26:16.440 --> 02:26:17.640
Like, here's an example.

02:26:19.920 --> 02:26:21.360
Exterminator, you are dead.

02:26:21.840 --> 02:26:22.440
Mutilate.

02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:24.480
Sharpen razor takes

02:26:54.720 --> 02:26:57.020
and made it all pixelated.

02:26:58.360 --> 02:26:59.540
Because it's so good.

02:26:59.720 --> 02:27:01.240
It could have been their mascot.

02:27:02.600 --> 02:27:03.160
You know what I mean?

02:27:03.900 --> 02:27:06.900
It could have been their Eddie. That's how good the art is in it.

02:27:07.580 --> 02:27:08.860
I don't know what they did.

02:27:09.420 --> 02:27:16.680
I'm happy that we get to see the full art later on. I think the Japanese version or some other version had the full art on it.

02:27:17.220 --> 02:27:19.300
But the one that we saw did not.

02:27:19.480 --> 02:27:23.100
It was very zoomed in on just the face and just real bad.

02:27:25.939 --> 02:27:29.900
I don't mind revisiting this,

02:27:30.500 --> 02:27:32.240
but I didn't enjoy it that much,

02:27:32.420 --> 02:27:48.320
John. I'm sorry. I think you made a pretty good case both for and against what the bad parts are and what the good parts are. But honestly, I would not have revisited this if it wasn't part of this Court of Chaos segment.

02:27:48.880 --> 02:27:54.340
And listen to it again. I don't feel like I have to go back to it anytime soon either.

02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:56.320
But that said,

02:27:57.820 --> 02:27:58.900
it's not terrible.

02:27:59.540 --> 02:28:00.660
If you are a Priest fan,

02:28:00.920 --> 02:28:01.380
like you said,

02:28:01.560 --> 02:28:08.820
I think you can listen to this and you should appreciate it because there are some good things on it, especially it being heavier and darker.

02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:12.120
You don't get a lot of that in Priest.

02:28:12.540 --> 02:28:14.540
So that's my thoughts.

02:28:15.480 --> 02:28:15.960
Excellent.

02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:17.020
Thank you.

02:28:18.740 --> 02:28:19.740
The situation.

02:28:20.900 --> 02:28:22.280
So like with Judas Priest,

02:28:22.500 --> 02:28:24.580
the concept of

02:28:25.840 --> 02:28:31.280
It's a segment that I think is on the wheel of death about what's your camp. It's,

02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:33.840
you know, what album by what,

02:28:34.180 --> 02:28:34.380
like,

02:28:35.040 --> 02:28:38.480
take a band, what album are you in? What is your favorite?

02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:43.800
And so Judas Priest inspired that concept in my head.

02:28:44.120 --> 02:28:44.600
And for me,

02:28:44.780 --> 02:28:46.100
I went and did it for myself.

02:28:46.380 --> 02:28:47.180
And strangely enough,

02:28:47.380 --> 02:28:49.100
Painkiller is the camp I land in.

02:28:49.540 --> 02:28:51.020
And I love that we're all in different camps,

02:28:51.300 --> 02:28:52.080
because actually,

02:28:52.260 --> 02:28:54.580
if I were to do a top five, I probably would go back to the camp.

02:28:54.620 --> 02:28:58.320
back older to like a Sad Wings or Sting class.

02:28:59.900 --> 02:29:00.920
That said,

02:29:01.400 --> 02:29:01.660
I've never,

02:29:01.860 --> 02:29:03.300
I liked Judas Priest.

02:29:04.460 --> 02:29:09.340
I think they're great, but I've never been invested in them to the point of,

02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:12.360
you know, their path affecting me a whole lot.

02:29:13.160 --> 02:29:16.020
But I respect the fact that their path has affected others,

02:29:17.240 --> 02:29:19.060
especially those who have more investment in them.

02:29:19.620 --> 02:29:23.560
But listening to Jugulator to kind of,

02:29:28.060 --> 02:29:29.080
I liked it.

02:29:29.320 --> 02:29:29.900
It was fine.

02:29:30.620 --> 02:29:32.660
I think in terms of switching singers,

02:29:32.860 --> 02:29:37.140
to me it feels less abrasive than other changes that have happened.

02:29:39.400 --> 02:29:42.780
Although the lyrical thing did jump out a few times.

02:29:44.580 --> 02:29:46.420
It's like the elephant in the room.

02:29:46.700 --> 02:29:47.100
Yeah,

02:29:47.340 --> 02:29:50.520
well it reminds me, the first thing I thought of as we've been talking about is,

02:29:50.700 --> 02:29:54.500
I don't remember the name of it, but it was that Testament album that had just had some really,

02:29:54.620 --> 02:29:55.080
rough lyrics.

02:29:56.400 --> 02:29:59.740
And not an incredibly Old Testament album.

02:30:00.100 --> 02:30:01.400
That's the one with the Snake song.

02:30:01.680 --> 02:30:01.840
Yeah.

02:30:02.020 --> 02:30:02.840
The Snake album?

02:30:03.260 --> 02:30:04.300
Something of the Snake.

02:30:04.660 --> 02:30:05.000
Yeah.

02:30:06.340 --> 02:30:08.640
The other thing that stood out to me,

02:30:09.660 --> 02:30:11.440
and it's based on you sent the follow-up, John,

02:30:11.620 --> 02:30:12.520
of the live tracks,

02:30:12.740 --> 02:30:17.820
which I enjoyed listening to, but I was actually really surprised at how much the crowd was into it.

02:30:17.980 --> 02:30:18.040
Like,

02:30:18.880 --> 02:30:19.120
you know,

02:30:20.630 --> 02:30:23.960
I mean... Were they or was it crowd noise?

02:30:24.600 --> 02:30:24.860
Maybe.

02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:28.900
But like Rob Halford is a very distinct figure. And I,

02:30:29.640 --> 02:30:30.520
to me, I don't know,

02:30:31.460 --> 02:30:33.300
like I say, not being invested and not,

02:30:33.560 --> 02:30:44.660
and also not necessarily listening to it in real time. I knew things were happening, but I wasn't necessarily listening to it. And I would also reference as mentioned kind of the change from Bruce to Blaze.

02:30:47.400 --> 02:30:51.400
It's definitely different, but I don't know if it's his mind jarring.

02:30:51.960 --> 02:30:54.580
I did like kind of, you know, coming off of

02:30:54.600 --> 02:31:24.580
Painkiller is definitely a heavy album opening with the drum solo as we've referenced I think when we we did our top five opening tracks of albums and to me that album was pretty blistering throughout and so to kind of go into Jugular I think that kind of carried but I guess where I would go back to the live piece I feel like you get more Rob when you watch the band live and so I was surprised as to how well people received Ripper and I know we also got a movie out of them out of the

02:31:24.640 --> 02:31:28.980
this like changing of the guard, which I actually don't think I've seen all the way through.

02:31:29.780 --> 02:31:30.760
Rockstar you're talking about?

02:31:31.100 --> 02:31:31.500
Yeah.

02:31:32.380 --> 02:31:32.440
Yeah.

02:31:32.620 --> 02:31:33.380
I have the DVD.

02:31:35.240 --> 02:31:37.800
I need to watch all the way through just for,

02:31:38.020 --> 02:31:39.040
you know, culture perspective.

02:31:39.260 --> 02:31:42.400
But all that said,

02:31:42.580 --> 02:31:45.280
John, I think all your points are valid as in listening to it.

02:31:45.880 --> 02:31:48.660
You know, my response is not as detailed as Marcosans,

02:31:48.860 --> 02:31:53.360
but I think it was it's definitely something worthy of a listen.

02:31:53.580 --> 02:31:54.520
It's worthy of liking.

02:31:55.980 --> 02:31:58.220
And you shouldn't feel guilty for doing so.

02:31:58.890 --> 02:31:59.480
But definitely,

02:31:59.740 --> 02:32:02.080
you know, still not the priests that we know and love.

02:32:03.900 --> 02:32:09.740
Yeah, talk about the change in lyrical and song titles from Turbo to this.

02:32:10.800 --> 02:32:11.960
It really is.

02:32:12.410 --> 02:32:17.380
And I'm not picking on Turbo like I normally do. Just it really is a 180 completely.

02:32:18.780 --> 02:32:19.300
Yeah.

02:32:20.160 --> 02:32:20.300
Although,

02:32:20.460 --> 02:32:22.320
Markazon, I do agree with you. Minus two songs,

02:32:22.480 --> 02:32:23.300
that is a party album.

02:32:23.470 --> 02:32:23.860
I agree.

02:32:27.920 --> 02:32:28.120
Yeah.

02:32:28.580 --> 02:32:30.040
I have nothing wrong with party albums.

02:32:30.300 --> 02:32:32.560
I like darker things.

02:32:33.260 --> 02:32:37.280
So I definitely like the music on this. If it was an instrumental,

02:32:37.460 --> 02:32:43.620
I'd probably like this album really a lot. Not that Ripper's a bad vocalist. I think he's a good vocalist.

02:32:45.540 --> 02:32:51.820
There's too many calls back to other vocalists where he's trying to do Rob Halford, but he's also trying to do Lane Staley.

02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:54.580
It sounds like James had

02:32:56.239 --> 02:32:58.320
I didn't get the Lane Staley part,

02:32:58.500 --> 02:33:00.220
but I see what you're saying.

02:33:00.600 --> 02:33:03.840
That's why, yeah, I don't hear any of that.

02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:05.600
But I will say,

02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:12.740
that's why I mentioned the live versions, because I think it just comes off better when there's no vocal effects.

02:33:13.200 --> 02:33:15.060
And kind of him screaming,

02:33:15.260 --> 02:33:22.980
but then layering in like a little deeper Hetfield thing in there, it just sounds not great on the album.

02:33:23.500 --> 02:33:24.560
But live, I thought it transformed.

02:33:26.920 --> 02:33:30.940
I think it was cool that you sent the live stuff because I thought it did sound better.

02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:38.400
You know, there was an energy to it that you just don't get on the record.

02:33:39.580 --> 02:33:40.220
You know what else?

02:33:40.540 --> 02:33:41.840
I don't know if you guys noticed this,

02:33:43.040 --> 02:33:46.720
George. I don't think you had a chance to listen to it, but it sounds like both Matt and Marcus Hunt did.

02:33:47.000 --> 02:33:47.940
I don't know if you listened to all of it.

02:33:48.640 --> 02:33:51.640
But the drums on the album, as much as I like Scott Travis,

02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:52.440
his bass,

02:33:52.760 --> 02:33:54.000
though, is way up front.

02:33:54.140 --> 02:33:56.220
You're gonna pop-pop-pop-popping,

02:33:56.400 --> 02:33:59.260
but live, it seems to be mixed in much better.

02:33:59.500 --> 02:34:00.660
So not muted,

02:34:00.860 --> 02:34:06.060
but it's dropped down just a little bit, so you're not getting totally blasted like you do on the album.

02:34:06.210 --> 02:34:07.800
And I kind of like that a little better,

02:34:08.000 --> 02:34:08.580
personally.

02:34:09.000 --> 02:34:09.780
Being a drummer,

02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:14.220
too, I don't need to hear the bass constantly. But that was the times,

02:34:14.440 --> 02:34:14.560
though.

02:34:14.900 --> 02:34:16.460
That was what was blowing up.

02:34:16.740 --> 02:34:18.020
So it's definitely,

02:34:18.500 --> 02:34:20.420
it's very much a record of its time.

02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:22.320
There's no doubt about that. Right.

02:34:22.340 --> 02:34:23.240
All right,

02:34:23.480 --> 02:34:25.000
so we got two in. So now, though,

02:34:25.240 --> 02:34:28.940
we go to the Podfather.

02:34:30.360 --> 02:34:31.340
No pressure,

02:34:31.820 --> 02:34:38.020
especially when I didn't spend as much time with this as I would have liked to. And no, I did not get a chance to listen to the live stuff.

02:34:40.340 --> 02:34:46.180
But what I can say is that when this came out back in the day,

02:34:46.440 --> 02:34:48.400
I was, of course,

02:34:48.760 --> 02:34:51.120
like pretty much probably everybody skeptical.

02:34:53.439 --> 02:34:57.040
And I gave it a listen back then. I bought the CD.

02:34:59.400 --> 02:35:02.060
And I was like, you know, this could be worse.

02:35:04.620 --> 02:35:09.380
And eventually it kind of grew on me a little bit. And there's a few songs that I do like.

02:35:10.780 --> 02:35:12.200
John mentioned both of them.

02:35:12.750 --> 02:35:13.940
He probably mentioned all the songs.

02:35:14.160 --> 02:35:14.900
But Burn in Hell,

02:35:15.160 --> 02:35:15.960
not so terrible.

02:35:16.390 --> 02:35:16.800
And of course,

02:35:17.020 --> 02:35:17.720
Cathedral Spires.

02:35:19.880 --> 02:35:22.280
And so at some point after its release,

02:35:22.420 --> 02:35:28.240
I came to have a grudging respect for it and,

02:35:28.620 --> 02:35:28.900
you know,

02:35:29.140 --> 02:35:30.140
at least not hate it.

02:35:30.980 --> 02:35:31.260
Um,

02:35:32.860 --> 02:35:43.640
but then I listened to it again recently and some of that affection that I had previously mustered,

02:35:43.960 --> 02:35:44.120
uh,

02:35:44.740 --> 02:35:49.920
was difficult to come by just that. I was like, eh,

02:35:50.440 --> 02:35:50.740
it's.

02:35:53.039 --> 02:35:55.760
Where I am now, where they are now,

02:35:56.080 --> 02:35:58.720
I don't necessarily need this.

02:35:59.560 --> 02:36:00.260
You know?

02:36:01.140 --> 02:36:09.100
I did want to, I did make some notes while you guys were talking about things that I wanted to follow up on, like the, throwing back to the heavy thing about how heavy it was.

02:36:09.900 --> 02:36:10.920
It kind of makes sense.

02:36:11.180 --> 02:36:11.840
I mean,

02:36:12.040 --> 02:36:12.940
Painkiller was heavy,

02:36:14.160 --> 02:36:15.660
probably the heaviest for them.

02:36:16.340 --> 02:36:20.740
And that could have led to this,

02:36:20.900 --> 02:36:20.980
direction,

02:36:21.210 --> 02:36:21.560
I suppose.

02:36:23.960 --> 02:36:25.400
But this came out during grunge.

02:36:25.580 --> 02:36:29.560
And not only that, during the rise of black and death metal.

02:36:30.300 --> 02:36:37.740
So they kind of had to crank up the heavy to just stay relevant with their peers of what was going on, you know.

02:36:38.120 --> 02:36:39.320
And a lot of bands did that.

02:36:39.320 --> 02:36:43.960
I mean, Testament did that big time when Chuck started doing harsh vocals.

02:36:44.130 --> 02:36:45.900
They never did harsh vocals in the 80s.

02:36:46.480 --> 02:36:47.760
But in the 90s,

02:36:48.140 --> 02:36:57.700
suddenly demonic and stuff like that. So people were doing what they had to do to try and stay relevant and survive.

02:36:58.890 --> 02:37:00.320
So I don't knock them for that.

02:37:03.220 --> 02:37:06.580
So while I may have liked it back in the day,

02:37:06.980 --> 02:37:12.620
the fact that I never felt compelled to go back again until now does kind of say something,

02:37:12.800 --> 02:37:13.120
I think.

02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:17.200
But also,

02:37:17.700 --> 02:37:19.700
swiveling back the other way again for a moment,

02:37:19.960 --> 02:37:24.540
there have been other singer changes that bothered me a lot more than this one.

02:37:24.960 --> 02:37:27.020
I'm looking at Blaze here,

02:37:27.180 --> 02:37:27.380
sadly.

02:37:29.110 --> 02:37:29.720
And so,

02:37:30.240 --> 02:37:30.340
eh,

02:37:30.500 --> 02:37:37.980
you know, I'm taking a relatively neutral stance of, eh, could have been better,

02:37:38.220 --> 02:37:38.640
eh,

02:37:39.020 --> 02:37:39.540
could have been worse.

02:37:42.460 --> 02:37:43.060
All right.

02:37:43.280 --> 02:37:44.300
Call me the hung jury.

02:37:46.619 --> 02:37:48.500
It's interesting because I think

02:37:49.920 --> 02:37:51.560
when this record comes out,

02:37:51.760 --> 02:37:52.540
it's like, well,

02:37:53.180 --> 02:37:54.400
it's continuing Priest.

02:37:54.600 --> 02:37:56.040
It's not exactly the same,

02:37:56.280 --> 02:37:56.800
but it has

02:37:56.800 --> 02:38:00.620
a lot of the elements of the old Priest with a few new

02:38:00.960 --> 02:38:01.500
twists to it.

02:38:01.880 --> 02:38:02.840
So it wasn't

02:38:04.500 --> 02:38:06.960
too much of a deviation then. But of

02:38:07.020 --> 02:38:07.360
course,

02:38:07.580 --> 02:38:09.700
when Halford comes back,

02:38:09.880 --> 02:38:10.780
you get all these other

02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:11.200
records,

02:38:11.540 --> 02:38:12.780
right? So now you're like, oh,

02:38:13.100 --> 02:38:15.340
you know, I'd rather listen to this

02:38:15.360 --> 02:38:45.320
and this kind of like one-off or you know with with ripper and um you know that time period when ripper was doing stuff with them so it is a little bit weird because if he would have continued on maybe we'd have a different outlook it was like hey here's the bridge and then halford comes back and that's how you identify priests with him before and after and it's kind of a blip in the middle you know what i mean

02:38:45.340 --> 02:38:49.060
So it kind of colors the way that you view certain things.

02:38:49.320 --> 02:38:49.820
Speed bump.

02:38:50.940 --> 02:38:51.380
Exactly.

02:38:51.620 --> 02:38:56.380
It's like you listen to it like you were saying, George, like, oh, this isn't too bad. It's not the priest I know,

02:38:56.560 --> 02:38:57.260
but it's not too bad.

02:38:57.880 --> 02:38:58.340
But now,

02:38:58.640 --> 02:38:58.860
hindsight,

02:38:59.340 --> 02:39:03.300
you get all these other Halford records like, I don't need this fucking thing anymore.

02:39:03.620 --> 02:39:04.660
After Firepower.

02:39:05.380 --> 02:39:05.820
Yeah.

02:39:06.120 --> 02:39:07.680
Or the one before that.

02:39:08.160 --> 02:39:11.540
It completely colors the way you see the record,

02:39:12.770 --> 02:39:13.200
I think.

02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:13.880
Yeah.

02:39:14.060 --> 02:39:14.620
Which is funny,

02:39:14.820 --> 02:39:14.920
too.

02:39:15.340 --> 02:39:45.320
that you bring that up because they released nostradamus which is not very good it's it's just not you know and they they hung their flag on that album especially kk down like we think this is the best song i like there's like one song i like off this album i like three songs like a lot off of julia later i don't like everything but i like three songs a lot off this album that tells me that's more than i like off of turbo and more i like off of

02:39:45.340 --> 02:39:46.140
Hey,

02:39:46.460 --> 02:39:47.700
don't mess with my turbo.

02:39:48.860 --> 02:39:49.740
Just saying.

02:39:50.940 --> 02:39:51.540
Well,

02:39:51.820 --> 02:39:53.860
it's interesting that it's interesting.

02:39:54.160 --> 02:39:54.860
I thought,

02:39:56.140 --> 02:40:02.400
I'm guessing we would have other views from the other two guys from Jay and Will,

02:40:02.560 --> 02:40:05.980
but I didn't think it would be as semi-neutral.

02:40:07.320 --> 02:40:09.840
Meaning it didn't necessarily get,

02:40:10.480 --> 02:40:10.700
you know,

02:40:10.900 --> 02:40:11.880
tossed off the plank.

02:40:13.090 --> 02:40:15.320
But it's hanging by a couple

02:40:16.421 --> 02:40:17.880
And that's quite alright.

02:40:18.180 --> 02:40:28.920
And it's interesting how this developed from George's original idea to this, of me presenting this album and us talking about it, which I thought was cool.

02:40:29.080 --> 02:40:29.220
Plus,

02:40:29.370 --> 02:40:30.940
in the end, I told him,

02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:32.360
I think it was yesterday,

02:40:32.600 --> 02:40:34.700
it just seemed kind of a fun exercise,

02:40:35.200 --> 02:40:36.800
even if people didn't like the album,

02:40:37.310 --> 02:40:38.180
to just go back.

02:40:38.560 --> 02:40:42.140
And it is a period piece. There's no doubt about it.

02:40:42.740 --> 02:40:45.140
This album doesn't get made in the 2000s.

02:40:46.619 --> 02:40:48.120
They'll never go down that route.

02:40:48.360 --> 02:40:54.820
I think you guys got it right when you said it was just at that time those bands that they were competing with to stay relevant.

02:40:55.920 --> 02:40:59.500
And let's be honest, they took a hit when Halford left. They lost their identity.

02:41:01.360 --> 02:41:09.700
It's really interesting because it's kind of analogous to something else that happened to me recently when I was in Switzerland.

02:41:10.160 --> 02:41:15.320
So I went up to Stilthorn and they have this

02:41:15.360 --> 02:41:19.680
where they filmed the James Bond film on Her Majesty's Secret Service.

02:41:20.680 --> 02:41:22.200
And they were constructing it,

02:41:22.690 --> 02:41:33.500
but they didn't have enough money to finish it. And then the James Bond people, when they were making the movie, they wanted to use that place. So they injected a bunch of money and helped them complete it.

02:41:33.800 --> 02:41:37.100
But the guy who starred in that movie,

02:41:37.480 --> 02:41:38.920
Lazenby,

02:41:39.140 --> 02:41:40.580
something like that. George Lazenby, yeah.

02:41:40.940 --> 02:41:43.020
Only film he was ever in.

02:41:43.850 --> 02:41:45.320
But he got nominated for a movie.

02:41:45.340 --> 02:41:47.960
like a best actor award and stuff,

02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:49.600
but nobody remembers.

02:41:49.860 --> 02:41:51.460
I can barely remember his name.

02:41:51.640 --> 02:41:52.820
And I was just there,

02:41:53.700 --> 02:41:54.120
you know,

02:41:54.580 --> 02:42:10.000
so you don't you just don't think of of him being Bond. And I think it's it's kind of the same with this where Halford's the guy Ripper came in and I guess he did it. But you it's kind of forgettable.

02:42:10.220 --> 02:42:15.260
Like, I don't even think I would think about this record unless we did this particular.

02:42:15.360 --> 02:42:15.640
segment.

02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:19.880
And that's not to say that he didn't do a decent job on it,

02:42:20.680 --> 02:42:22.580
just like George Lazenby,

02:42:22.860 --> 02:42:28.840
but that's not the Bond I think of.

02:42:29.140 --> 02:42:31.100
Big Shoes. It's not the Priest I think of.

02:42:31.400 --> 02:42:31.840
Well,

02:42:32.020 --> 02:42:39.660
I think part of that that plays into this is the fact that they don't play any songs from this album. Demolition, I don't want them to play anything from,

02:42:39.820 --> 02:42:41.200
but they don't play anything.

02:42:41.540 --> 02:42:45.180
At least Maiden plays a song or two here and there.

02:42:45.760 --> 02:42:47.600
So you still remember those albums.

02:42:47.900 --> 02:42:49.080
And to you, they're like, okay,

02:42:49.240 --> 02:42:51.360
that was just during this period when Bruce was gone.

02:42:51.920 --> 02:42:53.060
They're still made in albums.

02:42:53.640 --> 02:42:55.480
But because Priest doesn't play these songs,

02:42:55.700 --> 02:42:57.820
yeah, you're right. He's kind of getting erased.

02:42:58.420 --> 02:43:01.120
So Ripper does have an argument when he says, hey, wait a second,

02:43:01.280 --> 02:43:01.380
though.

02:43:01.960 --> 02:43:05.920
I mean, you still had the two guitars, you still had the basses, all guys,

02:43:06.080 --> 02:43:07.480
you know, have been there from the beginning.

02:43:08.120 --> 02:43:09.740
Scott Travis on drums, by the way.

02:43:11.960 --> 02:43:14.120
It's kind of silly that they kind of get erased.

02:43:15.140 --> 02:43:16.440
He's at least this album.

02:43:17.260 --> 02:43:18.080
That's the way I think of.

02:43:18.240 --> 02:43:18.580
But anyway,

02:43:19.180 --> 02:43:20.200
I thought it would be a fun exercise.

02:43:20.370 --> 02:43:23.600
And it's you guys indulged me. So I appreciate that. Thank you.

02:43:24.340 --> 02:43:33.800
And I agree with that, John, because it shouldn't be erased. They decided that they were going to bring this guy into the band. They made the record and they should celebrate it.

02:43:34.210 --> 02:43:37.020
You know, it's what they wanted to do at the time.

02:43:37.360 --> 02:43:39.380
It's something creative they wanted to do.

02:43:39.560 --> 02:43:45.080
And you shouldn't just throw it by the wayside because people don't like it.

02:43:45.140 --> 02:43:45.320
or,

02:43:46.640 --> 02:43:46.940
you know,

02:43:47.840 --> 02:43:49.820
everybody thinks of Halford as the guy.

02:43:50.180 --> 02:43:59.820
You know, I think that doing a cast like this and remembering something like that where they did take a chance and had another singer is important because it's part of their history.

02:44:00.560 --> 02:44:04.200
Yeah, had they not got them, they might have broken up and they may never reformed.

02:44:04.360 --> 02:44:04.800
Exactly.

02:44:05.390 --> 02:44:05.800
Who knows?

02:44:06.180 --> 02:44:06.280
Yeah.

02:44:07.060 --> 02:44:07.320
Anyway,

02:44:07.800 --> 02:44:07.960
well,

02:44:08.300 --> 02:44:10.100
thank you for indulging. I know it wasn't,

02:44:10.300 --> 02:44:13.340
it was a bumpy ride, I'm sure.

02:44:13.780 --> 02:44:13.840
So.

02:44:15.140 --> 02:44:16.760
It wasn't bad at all.

02:44:17.180 --> 02:44:18.680
But man, they could have made it so much better.

02:44:20.200 --> 02:44:21.600
Could have made it so much worse.

02:44:22.340 --> 02:44:22.740
Yeah.

02:44:23.320 --> 02:44:23.380
Well,

02:44:24.400 --> 02:44:25.280
lyrically, they did.

02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:25.780
But,

02:44:26.060 --> 02:44:26.260
you know.

02:44:26.460 --> 02:44:27.640
Lyrically, it can't get worse.

02:44:27.920 --> 02:44:28.320
Okay.

02:44:28.480 --> 02:44:30.840
But man, that album cover is just so badass.

02:44:32.400 --> 02:44:33.240
The full one,

02:44:33.400 --> 02:44:36.680
yeah. The full one is so badass. I mean, that's my favorite cover from them.

02:44:37.320 --> 02:44:44.800
I mean, they went from the Hellion to that, and I was like, wow, that's a big change. We did do top five covers, I think, four.

02:44:45.140 --> 02:44:46.120
this bad, didn't we?

02:44:47.400 --> 02:44:48.280
I don't remember.

02:44:48.780 --> 02:44:49.620
I think we did.

02:44:49.780 --> 02:44:50.840
We were doing covers.

02:44:51.320 --> 02:44:55.240
We were doing covers, and I feel like we had a guest on that brought this up.

02:44:56.130 --> 02:44:57.520
And we went out, and we were like, oh,

02:44:57.820 --> 02:45:00.120
I didn't realize this was a full album.

02:45:00.630 --> 02:45:02.660
Because, yeah, the Pixelate, George, like I said,

02:45:02.920 --> 02:45:03.960
I have that same CD.

02:45:04.160 --> 02:45:05.080
It looks terrible.

02:45:05.700 --> 02:45:06.540
It's just horrible.

02:45:07.680 --> 02:45:08.720
What is this?

02:45:09.740 --> 02:45:10.180
So,

02:45:10.360 --> 02:45:10.820
anyway.

02:45:11.080 --> 02:45:11.960
Well, that was fun.

02:45:12.180 --> 02:45:13.280
We survived it.

02:45:13.760 --> 02:45:15.060
Yeah. And I think,

02:45:15.160 --> 02:45:18.300
We ended up getting a different segment out of it.

02:45:18.860 --> 02:45:20.660
That's not the original intent,

02:45:20.980 --> 02:45:23.200
but it worked out because there's only four of us tonight.

02:45:23.420 --> 02:45:23.520
So.

02:45:23.960 --> 02:45:25.580
I mean, that's the part of the wheel.

02:45:25.840 --> 02:45:30.360
Like you select something on the wheel and then you get to do it your way.

02:45:30.570 --> 02:45:30.700
John.

02:45:31.380 --> 02:45:32.220
Just like Burger King.

02:45:33.260 --> 02:45:34.420
Speaking of the wheel.

02:45:36.520 --> 02:45:36.700
George.

02:45:37.760 --> 02:45:37.980
All right.

02:45:38.880 --> 02:45:39.980
Official spin here.

02:45:40.230 --> 02:45:42.900
The official spin is coming now.

02:45:46.780 --> 02:45:48.200
Getting dizzy licked at me.

02:45:55.080 --> 02:45:56.220
Kill screen.

02:45:57.640 --> 02:45:58.400
All right.

02:45:58.720 --> 02:46:04.740
So this is Spinner chooses a metal film or documentary for everyone to watch and review.

02:46:05.740 --> 02:46:09.020
Spinner decides the format of the discussion.

02:46:10.100 --> 02:46:10.320
Well,

02:46:10.620 --> 02:46:11.820
given that this is October,

02:46:12.420 --> 02:46:13.520
that's kind of funny, isn't it?

02:46:14.280 --> 02:46:15.080
Kind of apropos.

02:46:15.620 --> 02:46:16.200
Mm-hmm.

02:46:16.900 --> 02:46:17.380
I agreed.

02:46:18.420 --> 02:46:18.880
That's fun.

02:46:20.960 --> 02:46:24.680
So there can be only one.

02:46:26.340 --> 02:46:27.880
Oh, you're going to decide right now,

02:46:28.100 --> 02:46:28.560
George. Nice.

02:46:33.340 --> 02:46:34.200
Do we normally?

02:46:35.860 --> 02:46:40.340
No, I guess we don't. I guess we don't. All right. Think about it and then let us know. All right. I'll hold on to it.

02:46:40.840 --> 02:46:44.400
I wouldn't wait too long because that's something we all have to watch. It's going to take some time.

02:46:44.720 --> 02:46:44.880
Yeah.

02:46:46.499 --> 02:46:52.340
And it's like literally right on the edge with the next segment.

02:46:52.980 --> 02:46:55.000
I know. That's why I was waiting with Bated Breath.

02:46:55.160 --> 02:46:56.660
Was it going to be heavy art or kill screen?

02:46:57.080 --> 02:46:58.240
I'm like, I don't want to do heavy art.

02:46:58.460 --> 02:46:59.260
I'll do kill screen.

02:46:59.280 --> 02:47:03.400
And now also each time I create the wheel, I resort it too.

02:47:04.380 --> 02:47:07.580
So that it's not the same sort each time.

02:47:08.700 --> 02:47:09.120
Got it.

02:47:09.860 --> 02:47:11.320
Awesome. Well, I'm excited about this.

02:47:11.660 --> 02:47:13.380
You say that now.

02:47:13.480 --> 02:47:17.420
My Halloween movie is ready to go.

02:47:17.980 --> 02:47:19.340
And this will be another one in the pile.

02:47:20.280 --> 02:47:23.100
I kind of feel like because this is October,

02:47:23.420 --> 02:47:25.920
I should just say it now.

02:47:26.900 --> 02:47:27.560
Well, if you know.

02:47:27.760 --> 02:47:28.460
You can, George.

02:47:28.660 --> 02:47:29.380
Yeah, go for it.

02:47:29.720 --> 02:47:30.400
Trick or treat.

02:47:31.580 --> 02:47:32.200
With Fastway.

02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:33.020
Trick or treat.

02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:43.380
It's got Skippy from the show with.

02:47:43.400 --> 02:47:48.420
What was the Skippy show with Family Ties?

02:47:48.860 --> 02:47:50.900
I think so. I can't remember.

02:47:51.280 --> 02:47:56.600
This was a mid-late 80s metal movie. I saw it in the theater.

02:47:57.640 --> 02:48:01.360
It has cameos by Ozzy Osbourne,

02:48:01.520 --> 02:48:02.040
Gene Simmons.

02:48:04.840 --> 02:48:09.880
And it's not a good movie.

02:48:10.260 --> 02:48:10.720
No.

02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:13.380
But in

02:48:13.420 --> 02:48:14.280
1880 whatever.

02:48:15.360 --> 02:48:16.160
It'll be fun.

02:48:16.380 --> 02:48:25.140
To have a movie that's about metal was like, it was like, I don't even care. I mean,

02:48:25.320 --> 02:48:25.480
it's,

02:48:25.980 --> 02:48:28.680
you know, I can look back on it now and go, it's a bit camp.

02:48:29.060 --> 02:48:29.920
Okay. But that's okay.

02:48:30.980 --> 02:48:31.680
That's awesome.

02:48:31.860 --> 02:48:32.560
That'll be fun.

02:48:32.980 --> 02:48:37.080
And it's about being a metalhead who gets shit upon in,

02:48:38.200 --> 02:48:43.240
you know, by the jocks and the preps and all that stuff and getting your come up.

02:48:45.319 --> 02:48:45.680
So,

02:48:46.710 --> 02:48:46.840
John,

02:48:47.020 --> 02:48:47.780
you've seen it? Love it.

02:48:47.940 --> 02:48:48.900
Love it. Yeah,

02:48:49.180 --> 02:48:51.380
I have to go back. It's been a long time. Yeah,

02:48:51.600 --> 02:48:52.700
and I'm guessing the other guys have not,

02:48:52.860 --> 02:48:53.580
so that'll be fun.

02:48:53.760 --> 02:48:54.040
Yeah,

02:48:54.220 --> 02:48:56.620
I mean, I don't even remember anything. I will tell you this.

02:48:57.140 --> 02:49:03.940
You want to talk about an album that is polarizing for me, for a band. I love the first two Fastway albums.

02:49:04.280 --> 02:49:06.000
This is my favorite Fastway album.

02:49:07.000 --> 02:49:08.580
I love this album.

02:49:08.960 --> 02:49:13.380
Oh my God, that's awesome. So yeah, make sure, we're going to talk about the

02:49:13.400 --> 02:49:13.540
movie,

02:49:13.700 --> 02:49:15.320
but you got to listen to the soundtrack too,

02:49:15.500 --> 02:49:20.040
because that will feature into my discussion for sure.

02:49:20.720 --> 02:49:21.300
So yeah.

02:49:21.500 --> 02:49:21.560
So,

02:49:21.820 --> 02:49:22.080
you know,

02:49:22.400 --> 02:49:23.360
send it around everybody,

02:49:23.660 --> 02:49:23.740
George,

02:49:23.920 --> 02:49:24.280
but also,

02:49:24.540 --> 02:49:27.240
you know, whatever format you want to do for it,

02:49:27.480 --> 02:49:27.820
like, uh,

02:49:28.160 --> 02:49:30.880
view it or just discuss it,

02:49:31.100 --> 02:49:33.840
whatever you want to do. I think it'll probably be just a discussion,

02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:34.440
but I'll, I'll,

02:49:34.640 --> 02:49:37.340
I'll ponder that. And before making an official decision,

02:49:38.320 --> 02:49:43.380
I I'm hoping that Jay's on the same page with me on this one. I'm, I'm, I'm betting that he's going to be.

02:49:43.420 --> 02:49:44.460
I'm sure he's seen it.

02:49:47.479 --> 02:49:50.740
When you mentioned that, all I could think of was, oh, it's Fastway.

02:49:53.659 --> 02:49:56.540
I love it, because every time Halloween comes around,

02:49:56.780 --> 02:49:58.180
I want to watch movies.

02:49:59.340 --> 02:49:59.620
Wow.

02:50:00.440 --> 02:50:00.520
Nice.

02:50:01.300 --> 02:50:01.620
All right.

02:50:02.440 --> 02:50:02.600
Cool.

02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:03.780
All righty.

02:50:04.140 --> 02:50:04.780
We did it.

02:50:05.500 --> 02:50:05.980
We did it.

02:50:06.520 --> 02:50:07.940
We've got three hours,

02:50:08.240 --> 02:50:09.380
only four of us.

02:50:09.880 --> 02:50:10.480
That's right.

02:50:11.520 --> 02:50:14.180
We had some meandering in there, too.

02:50:14.380 --> 02:50:15.820
A little bit. We never do that.

02:50:16.680 --> 02:50:18.780
We did better than we normally do. Yeah.

02:50:20.740 --> 02:50:21.520
All right. Well,

02:50:21.860 --> 02:50:28.900
we hope that this was enjoyable or at least occupied your brain while you were doing something more important.

02:50:32.380 --> 02:50:33.820
Enjoyable or tolerable?

02:50:34.100 --> 02:50:34.580
Tolerable.

02:50:34.900 --> 02:50:38.640
We hope it's a little better than a jugulator.

02:50:39.920 --> 02:50:41.360
Well, I've got to tell you now.

02:50:41.540 --> 02:50:43.020
We might be losing people.

02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:44.880
Jugulator followed by Trick or Treat.

02:50:45.080 --> 02:50:45.640
It's like, oh boy,

02:50:45.860 --> 02:50:47.520
what's going on in that podcast?

02:50:48.880 --> 02:50:49.960
I think it's awesome.

02:50:50.620 --> 02:50:51.020
Yeah.

02:50:52.260 --> 02:50:52.420
All right.

02:50:52.600 --> 02:50:54.220
Well, tune in next time. You know what you're getting.

02:50:55.360 --> 02:50:55.760
Yeah.

02:50:57.140 --> 02:50:58.760
And I guess we'll see you next time then.

02:50:59.560 --> 02:51:01.120
Take it easy. Trick or Treat. Peace.

02:51:01.820 --> 02:51:02.200
Peace.